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Okay, let's start this episode off on a little bit of a silly note.

I mean, or depends on how you are going to, you know, interpret or analyze this.

So do you know who Palm Beach Pete is Alexis?

I have no idea.

Okay, so over the past week, there was a user I think on TikTok.

I actually couldn't find the original poster's actual TikTok handle.

But he was in Florida and he was driving past this man driving in a convertible.

And he's like, Jeffrey Epstein is alive and well.

And he pans over to the driver.

This man looks identical to Jeffrey Epstein.

Go on our doc right now under Palm Beach Pete.

And you can see a picture of this man.

If you saw him out and about in the world, you would be like Jeffrey Epstein is alive and among us.

Yeah.

Isn't that crazy?

That's at least his cousin or something.

There's like a lineage.

There's got to be.

Yeah.

So this video goes viral.

Everybody's like, he's alive.

And then a couple days later, this man's true identity comes out.

Now this man goes by Palm Beach Pete.

That is his little nickname that he has coined himself.

And he is now going viral just for being him.

And I just think it's so funny.

So TMZ caught wind.

All these different places caught wind.

And he's doing all of these interviews about looking exactly like Jeffrey Epstein.

And of course, there's conspiracy theorists out there that still think that he is Jeffrey Epstein because

there are a lot of similarities between this man.

People are even going down to how his bottom teeth are laid out, which are very similar to Jeffrey Epstein's.

And they're just like, you know, could it be?

So he didn't interview with TMZ.

And it's like the more that he talks about.

And this man is loving this attention, by the way.

He started an Instagram.

He started a TikTok.

He has 312,000 followers on TikTok.

He's posting all these videos being out and about and Palm Beach eating sushi.

And this whole thing is like, he goes, I'm not a, you know, he goes, I'm not a, oh my god, I can't speak.

He goes, I'm not Jeffrey Epstein.

I'm Palm Beach Pete.

And then that's just like tech.

That's really funny.

So people are like, I feel so bad for him.

And I'm like, he is loving this.

He's loving the attention.

He's already gone on podcasts.

He's doing these interviews with TMZ.

Like this man is, you can tell he loves the attention.

The bar is low.

What do people want to hear from him on a podcast about?

How he looks like Epstein?

Well, he's actually kind of, he's a personality.

Like he's, he's really funny and silly and he's, you know, he's chowing down at these guys.

He was on the Nikki Gordo show and I've seen these two.

I've never listened to them, but I've seen their clips all over TikTok.

And I'm like, how, unless they live in Florida, how the hell did they get him out there?

He's in person on this podcast.

That's really funny.

Like in studio with them.

But anyways, he did this interview with TMZ.

And, you know, he's talking about being recognized.

And he's like, yeah, you know, when he was arrested in New York, I was also in New York.

And then he starts talking about all these times that he was in the same place at the same time as Jeffrey Epstein.

Looking exactly like Jeffrey Epstein.

And I'm like, that is so funny.

And then he was talking about going viral before.

And he was like, yeah, once I was in the background of a real housewives of New York City episode.

And Sonia Morgan gave me a kiss hello.

And I'm like, this man is, he's everywhere.

That's really funny.

And wait, is the context there that Sonia Morgan thought it was Epstein?

No, but like, I guess it was in the episode.

And people were pointing out, they're like, is that Jeffrey Epstein kissing Sonia Morgan?

And then I guess they took it out of the episode, which I think is a little bit weird.

Like, why would you have to remove that from an episode?

Because people thought it was Epstein, probably.

They were partying with Epstein.

And then he goes on and he's like talking about this, you know, all this stuff about Epstein.

And then he was like, yeah, back in the day when I was living in the city,

I went to a couple parties with Epstein.

And they're like, wait, you partied with Epstein now?

Like, first, it's like you're so far removed.

And then you've lived in the same place at the same time.

And now you've been to the same parties as Jeffrey Epstein.

And he goes, yeah, I went to a couple parties and Epstein was there.

And he was just kind of creepy just sitting on the couch staying to himself.

And he wasn't the magnitude that he is or was, I think, was back in the day.

So he wasn't a big deal. He was mysterious.

People didn't know how he made his money and blah, blah, blah.

But he was like, yeah, people, I never really encountered him and how to conversation with him.

I just saw him at a party.

But I'm like, that is just got to be so weird.

That's very strange.

Yeah. So I did like a deep dive on him because nobody had his last name.

But I found his last name. I'm not going to say it.

But I was looking at his Facebook and he posts to this like racket club all the time.

And I went back until like 2014 just to make sure that this was in it.

Because it looked like he popped up out of nowhere.

Like it really looked up like he popped out of nowhere.

So I was like, okay, he had his, he made his like Facebook icon in 2014.

He has been Pete Palm Beach Pete.

This is the whole time.

Okay.

I can believe it.

But if you go down to this, do you see the toothpick, the picture of their teeth?

Uh-huh.

Those bottom teeth look pretty similar.

Yeah, but the top teeth don't.

I know, but you can get your top teeth.

He definitely looks like he has some sort of like crowns Palm Beach Pete does.

Because Jeffrey Epstein had a very gummy smile.

I never noticed.

A very small teeth.

Little tiny teeth.

Tiny teeth.

But you can get those gums laser and you can get crowns.

Yeah, I guess I can change your teeth.

I mean, I don't think Pete is Epstein, but I think it's hilarious.

No, it's hilarious.

They do also talk very similar.

And then a user was, he says the word unbeknownst.

Like all the time, they're like, who else said unbeknownst all the time?

Epstein.

Yeah.

But if they're like, I wonder if they're the same age.

And I wonder if they're the same age.

Is Palm Beach Pete from New York and then moved to Florida?

I don't know.

Well, but he lived in New York.

Right.

And probably it's like there's lixons there.

Yeah.

And all New Yorkers go to Florida when they're old.

Yeah.

It was just, there was just a lot of coincidences.

And I have never seen a doppelganger that looks this close.

And it sounds pretty similar.

It just has got to be so crazy to be him.

And now he's a celebrity.

He's like taking pictures with everybody.

I saw Fanpix on the beach with him.

The bar is low.

The bar is low, people.

I would take a picture with him if I saw him out and about.

Not me.

I'm scared of old men.

Yeah, that's true.

You know, I mean, it would be in public.

Still.

Who knows?

You never know.

All right.

Should we move on to the Miami Mayor?

Yes.

So I guess we're having a Florida themed episode today.

Yes.

But so this started for me.

This little deep dive that I took.

When I found one particular email.

So go to the first link that we have here.

And we'll talk about the email.

We'll talk about who it mentions.

And then we'll get into.

Why I fell down this rabbit hole, right?

So this is an email between Philip Levine and Galen Maxwell.

And.

First email is from Galen.

And it says, how could you send me pictures of Baron being unfaithful

with another woman?

I am devastated.

Tell me he did not pee on her too.

At least if he did do that, let me know.

That he does not feel threatened.

So I still hold pride of place.

Philip Levine replies, he actually held his bladder all night until dinner at Fisher.

Though he jumped on care of the other night and seriously tried fucking her on my bed.

Big time humping.

She is his size.

The Baron is growing up.

And then she says, stop it.

My jealous.

Hodilla bit.

Look it up in the dictionary if you've never heard this word before.

Is what she types in the email, not what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

I looked it up.

What is it?

It's Latin for whatever you please.

It's a lighthearted musical composition combining, combining 22 well known melodies often and counterpoint.

It's also used as a scholastic term for academic debate or a melody.

These people are so pretentious.

I know.

They're so delusional with like how high society they think they are to be using words like that.

But anyways, my point is that I thought this was something super deranged.

I did some research on this email.

There's been some debate on the forums.

People seem to think they're talking about Philip Levine's dog, which would make sense.

Oh my god.

It would make sense about her peeping on something, jumping on someone, trying to hump them.

It's sort of makes sense.

Wait, so barons of the dog.

Okay.

Okay.

So, but that's not the point.

This is what turned me on to looking up this guy, Philip Levine, because I'm like, who the hell is this guy?

E-mailing Galein like this.

Because even if they're talking about a dog, they're very friendly.

So, Philip Levine was the mayor of Miami between 2013 and 2017.

Now, why does this matter?

Okay.

So, he was mentioned in the files over 600 times.

And their emails are very, very intimate.

Like, there's this other email here from 2001.

And the email I just read to you is from 2002.

This other one is his nickname is Pollup.

That's what Galein calls him.

Yeah.

Then this email from 2003 between him and Galein.

She says, oh, Vile one, I'm coming to Miami Saturday meeting with Carol to go shopping.

Thought seeing as no one else could possibly want to have dinner with you, we could sacrifice ourselves

as an active charity and keep you company for dinner.

That's what she says.

So clearly, they're like playful.

He replies, have a hot young thing spending the weekend.

Call me.

Creepy.

Weird.

Like, why?

Why?

Shouldn't you be saying, no, I have plans.

Like, yeah, I have a hot young thing.

I know what you like, Galein.

That's how I interpret that.

Yeah.

So that's the kind of friendship they have.

Okay.

So, then when Epstein gets out of, he's done serving his time, even though it was like weekend,

jail after his minor sex trafficking charges.

Levine writes Epstein an email that says, hi.

Just want you to know that I'm happy that everything has come to a positive ending for you during these tough times.

You are a great guy.

And I know all good things will come to you going forward.

And you're up for a while.

Hope you can catch up soon.

Your friend, Philip.

So, apologist for a rapist at the very least.

Okay.

That was in 2010.

Their friendship spans a really long time because they exchange emails in 2001.

And they exchange emails like way up until before Epstein dies.

Then there's another one here from 2011.

And there's a lot to unpack with this one.

This email involves Sarah Ferguson, Epstein, and Philip Levine.

And Sarah Ferguson basically talks about how.

She just stayed at Philip Levine's house with Eugene and Beatrice, her daughters.

And Sarah Ferguson is the former Prince Andrews.

She's a former Duchess of York.

She has her title stripped as well.

But just this very strange exchange about how she's been so desperately inside.

I stayed at Philip Levine's house with the girls.

I made Philip give us his car.

But like all these really sick fucks are good friends.

Staying at each other's houses.

You know, just very weird.

Now, I'm going somewhere with this.

But first, there's more.

He's helping Maxwell with real estate transactions in 2004.

They're having appointments in 2010.

Then we are in this email from 2003 titled Sephora in the Limited.

Now, Philip Levine writes an email to someone named Antonio Baloney.

Okay.

And this is before Philip Levine is the mayor.

So what we need to know now is that before he was the mayor, he was a very popular businessman.

He basically created and started this marketing company that marketed for cruise ships.

He sold that company to Louis Vuitton, Moette, Hennessy.

So that company owns basically everything.

So Philip Levine writes this email to Antonio Baloney who is at the time and still is, I believe, the managing director of LVMH.

Which is that Louis Vuitton, Moette, Hennessy company.

And the email says this, Tony, like Antonio.

I have been asked to possibly set up an appointment between you and my friend Jeffrey Epstein.

Jeffrey would like to meet with you in Paris regarding Sephora.

Briefly, Jeffrey is a major financial in the financial advisor and representative for less Wexner of the Limited.

So he's wheeling and dealing with Les Wexner and Epstein and all this shit, okay.

Now, it gets stranger because there's a Diddy crossover here.

Oh.

Yeah.

So he was mayor between 2013 and 2017.

And it was in 2015 that this guy gave Diddy the key to Miami and proclaimed that October 13th

would be Sean Diddy Combs Day in Miami and had this huge celebration.

So he's also very good friends with Diddy.

So this is all a problem because this guy was also the mayor.

Like when Epstein was under the microscope in Florida for these charges involving minors,

when Diddy was having these parties in Miami, when Epstein was having these parties,

like it's just, it's just, this is who we're dealing with.

Like the mayor of Miami is writing these like deranged perverted emails to Galene calling Epstein a great guy.

It's like no one's like there's no position that safe.

Like making these introductions between Sephora.

Like these people are controlling the world.

Like this guy's reach is everywhere.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, we've seen it a bunch of times where it's like he has connections to so many random things

and people and professions where it's like it didn't just work with him.

It's like he had his hands and everywhere to be able to like, you know, bypass this law,

get around to this rule, you know, circumvent that problem.

And it's like, that's just how we operate it with this whole team.

And to be such good friends, I mean, they're staying at each other's houses.

They've got nicknames for each other.

And it's just, it's just so crazy to me.

And what's also crazy is that this man just denied having a friendship with them.

Like everyone's also lying about it, not assuming this stuff will ever come out.

And these people are so rich it doesn't matter.

Like they're uncancelable, you know what I mean?

Like they could never with how much money they have in the stock market

and how much liquid cash they have generating interest.

They could never make another dollar of like consumer money

and stay rich.

It's just so annoying that there's no way to punish these people.

Do you know what he's doing now these days?

Is he just like off the grid?

He still maintains all these like business holdings.

It's just, you know, venture capitalist type shit.

So crazy.

It's very annoying.

It's very annoying.

And fun fact, did he is not in the Epstein files, which surprises me

because you think there would be at least some conversation

about like, hey, did he's doing the same thing with Hollywood elite?

Or just like, I want to go to one of those parties.

Or like, it is weird.

Or maybe there was and they redacted it for some reason or another.

Yeah, maybe it's of the other three, six million that haven't made it.

The 90% that they haven't showed us.

Yeah, I thought there would be at least like, I searched Diddy.

I searched Puffy, I searched Combs.

There is really nothing in what's at least publicly searchable right now.

You think there would be at least like some rivalry.

Like, is my house as good as Diddy?

Like, you think there would be some like competitive edge,

but there was not.

That's so funny.

Yeah.

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Let's talk about a different billionaire.

Let's talk about a different billionaire.

You guys, this is one of the craziest stories.

I have maybe ever heard in recent times.

It's nuts.

Yeah, and I'm excited for a new Roman Empire that is not tied to Epstein,

but these people are tied.

I mean, the people we're going to talk about, we're literally at the base of Sanchez wedding.

And that's like these people are as locked in.

And I would not be surprised if they had some skeletons that will come out.

Of course, they have skull tubes.

Yeah.

No, and I think, you know, as we sort of move forward with our podcast,

you know, we're obviously never going to stop talking about Epstein.

But it's like, these are other examples about how people in power with a lot of money

can just get their way and fuck people over and win no matter what.

Like it's all the same thing.

It's like same shit different days, same shit different people.

100%.

So how do we want to start this?

Let's start with the book.

Okay.

So there was a book that came out last year by this woman named Amy Griffin.

The book was called The Tell.

And I have the summary here.

Should I just read it?

Yes.

Okay.

So it says The Tell is a memoir by Amy Griffin published in March of 2025.

So exactly a year ago, the details her journey to confront buried childhood trauma,

perfectionism, and the secrets she kept from herself and others,

leading to healing through the radical truth telling, including the use of MDMA assisted therapy,

selected for Oprah's book club, the book explores themes of resilience control

and the power of vulnerability, as Griffin uncovers repressed memories and finds a path to self-acceptance.

So that sounds like an interesting memoir, you know?

Memoir.

Memoir.

Memoir story about one's self is what a memoir is usually.

Yeah, it's supposed to be a truthful account.

And listen, memoirs are also narrative works, right?

So what I'm learning about the memoir is that there is an art to sculpting a narrative.

And there are rules to memoir where you are allowed to selectively omit,

but you can't lie.

You can't fabricate.

But not everybody wants to hear about every fucking week of your life in the last 20 years.

So you have, it's, you're supposed to handpicked moments in your life that craft a narrative

that play into a theme.

And I would assume the theme in her book is like,

child's a trauma.

She talks about how the trauma is stored in the body and how that comes out in various ways.

And trauma is stored in the body and that is interesting, right?

And then how MDMA probably lets you access and release certain aspects of that, whatever.

But there's a problem with her memoir, a big problem with her memoir.

And it is one of the craziest stories I've ever heard, if true.

Yeah.

And all the information we have about this comes out of a newly filed lawsuit.

Right.

So I kind of want to go back.

So she released it last year.

Now she is very connected.

She's married to, I mean, we're saying quote-unquote billionaire, like her and her husband are.

I haven't looked far into it to see their net worth, but they're very, very wealthy.

And they're very, very connected with lots of celebrities.

So when she released the tell, it became an Oprah's book club pick.

It was a New York Times best seller.

She has all of these celebrity friends.

Gwyneth Paltrow, Reese Witherspoon, like everybody and anybody is posting about her book.

So really easy to get it to the top of the book charts when you have a list celebrity friends.

Right.

Yes.

And John Griffin founded Blue Ridge Capital, managing $9 billion in earning returns of 15.4% before I close.

So he's definitely a billionaire.

Yeah.

So they're rich, rich.

They went to the Bayes of Sweating, like we said.

And so we'll get into what he has a financial interest in in a second.

But she releases this book.

And then I believe it starts with a couple months after the book released is released.

The New York Times starts digging into it, right?

And they put out an article.

I couldn't read it because it's behind a paywall.

But they put out an article because I think that they're hearing some rumblings about maybe some untruths.

Well, first, what happens is they hear the New York Times received a tip that says,

because obviously it made the best seller less because of all the celebrity power that she had behind the book.

And they received a tip that like, oh, actually,

her husband's new business venture is trying to lobby for MDMA to get FDA approval for use,

for therapies, for basically psychiatric therapy, similar to what is being done with ketamine.

And the New York Times started investigating because they're like,

that probably should have been disclosed because this seems really convenient

that she would put forth this memoir and air quotes, you know,

touting the benefits of MDMA and treating her traumatic experience when her husband and her have financial stakes in that happening.

So the idea is that this book would create demand and interest and curiosity about using MDMA for that.

So the New York Times is like, that is something that should be disclosed because that's misleading and manipulative.

Well, and also, I mean, listen, I haven't read the book, I won't be reading the book.

But it's like, couldn't that be like an interesting tie where it was like, you know, I went through all this

and then my husband started working within this, so I tried it out because I have, like,

I think that there could be a very natural tie to that actually in the narrative of telling the story.

But if it's a lie, or if it's-

No, if it was-

No, no, no, no, say this memoir is real and she's actually trying to uncover these memories

and then her husband starts working in this MDMA therapeutic world.

And then she gives it a try and that's how she recovers her repressed memories.

That is part of a nice narrative that she could have woven, but she didn't. She didn't mention it at all.

But the whole thing is fake.

Well, I'm sure that-

Well, I'm saying if it was real.

If it was real, which we're-

Yeah, we're getting there.

But I bet you it's like they're going to lie and say, well, the book gave my husband the idea.

Right.

We couldn't have disclosed it because he was inspired by my book.

Yeah.

Which is bullshit.

We're getting-

We're getting to the bullshit.

So we're not even at the crazy part yet.

We're not the crazy part.

So the crazy part is this lawsuit.

Should we get into the lawsuit?

Yeah.

Okay, so there is a lawsuit that was filed.

I believe this month.

And it was filed by a Jane Doe.

We don't know her identity.

But she is suing Amy Griffin.

Also, this book had a ghost writer that we're going to get into because I found that to be very interesting as well.

And also the publisher.

And her complaints for damages are invasion of privacy and intrusion, publication of private facts, false light,

intentional inflection of emotional distress, negligent inflection of emotional distress and unfair competition and negligence.

So let's get into who Jane Doe is because she appears in the book by the pseudonym Claudia.

I don't know what she-

I don't know how Amy is referring to Claudia in the book.

I don't know.

Again, we didn't read it.

But she's allegedly in the book.

Yes.

So the claim the Jane Doe is making slash Claudia is that she was assaulted by a teacher, sexually assaulted by a teacher.

At the Sadie Hawkins dance.

Yeah.

In which Amy, in real life, they were friends in middle school, lent her a dress.

And there was evidence of the assault on the dress.

So I think Amy had to put Claudia in the book because they worked together that night.

And that's like Amy just swapped their roles.

The Claudia.

Yeah.

Like that she's-

She's the Claudia and that Claudia lent her-

Like I think-

I think that's what happened.

And at the time, Claudia, the Jane Doe, I believe that she was in the foster care system.

And Amy was like the super popular girl.

So it's like there's always-

There's already a power dynamic going on, even when they were 12 years old.

Yeah, and of course.

And this, you know, we just hadn't-

We're having an episode about this next week about like teachers being able to zero in on vulnerable students.

So none of that surprises me.

So how does that relate to this book that came out last year, right?

So it's-

It's so weird.

It's so weird.

So apparently Amy is going to write this book, right?

And out of the blue, she reaches back out to Jane Doe, slash Claudia.

Because they both ended up living in California for some reason.

And Amy asked her to go to coffee to like reconnect and catch up.

Then is like, hey, let's do this fun sisterhood thing and send each other postcards from our house.

So bizarre.

Yeah, it says-

I wanted to find it in the actual files.

Oh, I can't find it.

Whatever.

But yeah, she was like, let's do-

Let's get postcards.

Let's send them to each other.

We can be pen pals, basically, which is very weird.

Claudia, slash Jane Doe sends hers to Amy.

So now Amy knows her address.

But Amy never replies.

Then Amy sort of like disappears.

It would they like hung out once and never again.

Yeah.

Now for context again, Amy is married to a billionaire.

So she is a billionaire herself.

And Jane Doe ended up a healthcare worker.

Like, but you know, again, power dynamic super off.

And then Jane Doe and she doesn't want her identity revealed.

So we're not even going to try to find it.

But she gets a random call from these talent agents who said they heard that she is an interesting life story.

And like they can help her package it to sell maybe her own memoir or sell her life rights.

And because she doesn't like, she's not a rich person, she's like, that sounds great.

And then these people start like interviewing her to get every like the minutia of all the details of her life.

In these like multiple interviews, trying to like package and build out her story to possibly sell for something scripted.

Including obviously the assaults.

So now she is giving them all of this information.

And after I think weeks and weeks of this going on, she finally contacts the lawyer.

It's like kind of getting to the end of this whole interview process.

And the lawyer is like, I can't find anything legitimate about these people.

Like they don't seem to be real.

So she confronts them on the next call.

And they scream at her and hang up.

And I don't know if she ever hear some of them again.

So turns out that very likely these talent agents could have been some sort of a private investigator hired by.

Amy Griffin.

Yeah.

To get all this info out of Jane Doe.

So then obviously we can fast forward.

And Amy Griffin releases this book.

It's all of the Jane Doe's story passed off as her own experience.

And I just think this is so insane.

Well, and the claim is is that all her life she knew something was wrong.

She's carrying this tension.

She's acting.

The trauma air quote trauma is manifesting and materializing through various aspects of her life.

In this MDMA therapy helps her recover it and work through it in like triumph over it.

So.

And you know, Jack and I were talking offline about this.

I'm like, why not make up details?

And I realized even by questioning that.

It had to be seen real enough for people who knew her to know that like she did go to the Sadie Hawkins Day Dance.

She, because like memoirs will be like, OK, so you're saying this happened when you're a child.

People who know you would ask questions about that.

Like, yeah, by who?

When?

Where?

In this in her head is like, oh, this teacher is a rapist.

So I don't mind accusing them.

They're not going to try to get me to prove it because they know they actually did it.

Like, she was trying to like make herself safe legally in all these ways.

And she probably in her head was like, the one person who's going to come after me is Jane Doe.

And no one's going to believe her.

And I'm richer than her.

But all the other things line up.

If someone tries to fact check this, everything else lines up.

It's mirroring.

Tell me my storyline a little bit.

It's.

It is.

It actually really is.

And like the, it's very diabolical.

It's like a crazy thing to do.

If it's true, it's crazy, crazy, crazy.

Number one, to think that it's just the audacity and the evilness within.

Like, this is an evil evil thing to do.

Like, not only are you taking somebody else's most traumatic moment of their life,

you're making it about you.

It's the most narcissistic, psychotic thing to do.

And then it's like, again, the audacity to be like, I can get away with this.

Like, I can do anything I want.

And I can get away with it.

It's the billionaire mindset of like just being able to do whatever the hell you want with no repercussions.

It does mirror Epstein and all the shit that's going on with the elite to me so, so much in just a different way.

And you know what?

She might get away with it.

Like, the loss it has been filed.

This has not been litigated in court.

I'm looking at the comments under posts about this.

And there are some people who are like, it sounds like Jane Doe's out for a cash grab.

It sounds like there are like people are divided.

I know it's probably bots hired by Amy Griffin's PR team to shift the narrative.

I know we're media literate enough to not trust any of that.

But like, the point is that she could get away with it.

We're seeing what's playing out with Justin Baldoni and like, lively.

But like, what's so crazy about this is like, the idea that she knew that Jane Doe was traumatized in this way.

Then all these years later, to traumatize her again by making her feel like, hey, like this is a story that could be inspired.

Have these people manipulate her into thinking she could really do something with her own story.

Trick her into disclosing the nitty gritty details of her assault to these strangers who then she finds out her cons.

So then she's like, I bore my soul to these people who were just trying to hurt me.

It's victimizing her again.

In just another way, it's like, and it's just another example of it.

So fucked up that victims become victims over and over.

They're seen as vulnerable.

People continue to take advantage of them.

So if this is true, it's truly like, vile stuff.

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I looked up Amy Griffin's Instagram because I'm always interested about it.

It reminds me of when all the Epstein stuff is coming out, you know, D-Pack Chopra.

He was all over the Epstein files in a very, very bad way.

And I'm like, wow, these people must be in hiding.

And he wasn't.

He was just out there posting on Instagram, like nothing changed.

And same thing with Amy Griffin.

She's posting, it was Reese Witherspoon's birthday three days ago.

Her entire Instagram is basically one big name drop of like the most famous people.

Like every single picture is just her with a celebrity friend.

She was at Reese Witherspoon's birthday.

I don't know if it was her birthday, but she posted it.

But she made a post.

Yeah, she's like my sweetie 50th birthday to my Reese.

So she's out there.

And then she's also like, I'm pretty sure it was in that post or was something in the recent

like last couple days that she's still posting about the tell.

Like she's posting about it like nothing is going on.

Well, that's the strategy, right?

It's like all press is good press.

Ignore it.

It's just a lawsuit.

You'll beat it.

And what's really interesting is about Reese Witherspoon is that it's a known thing that her business,

what's made Reese Witherspoon a billionaire is taking book IP and making movies.

Like female driven IP, I bet you that deal is already done with them.

And I bet you all of the celebrity.

Like this is the kind of scandal that other celebrities really don't like.

And I bet you everyone's like backing away slowly.

And like while she's acting like she doesn't care, I bet you other people are grossed out.

Because if anyone doesn't remember the James Frey scandal.

So Oprah's book club is like the big thing, right?

And I bet you Oprah is super pissed.

But because it's like battle the billionaires, who knows how it's been handled.

I don't think she's super pissed.

I think she probably, I mean, we'll see.

I actually haven't looked to see if Oprah has weighed in or done anything.

But they're all in each other's pockets, these billionaires.

I'm sure they have.

And they're all their interests are all mine.

Oprah has her own fucking skeletons in her closet.

That's right.

But so what happened with James Frey is that James Frey wrote a quote memoir.

He wrote two.

A million little pieces in my friend Leonard.

They were like two of the first memoirs I ever read.

Really good.

But one of his main storylines was that he was a drug addict.

And he had to undergo root canals with no anesthesia because that would,

that's considered like a relapse to go under like opioids and anesthesia.

So he wrote this like insanely written scene, which was like visceral, crazy, right?

And it turns out it didn't really happen.

Like a lot of stuff in the book didn't really happen.

And it was a best seller.

And he had to go on the Oprah show and apologize.

And it like, it was this huge controversy.

So now everyone's like, this is like, it's like the first big thing we've seen since the James Frey controversy.

Only James Frey was in a billionaire.

So I don't know if it's going to shake out the same thing.

And victimizing somebody else.

It really makes James Frey's thing seem like not a big deal.

Not that bad.

Yeah.

Well, the world was simpler back then.

And listen, you shouldn't lie.

Especially people can find out.

And I wonder how they found out about James Frey.

I used to know there was like a big thing about how people figured out that it was a lie.

But it's just, you know, we were also talking offline about like,

why didn't Amy Griffin just write this as fiction?

You know, like saying that.

And then she could say like, yeah, I mean, I've had, I've recovered memories from MDMA.

And I wanted to write something inspired by that.

Like it probably wouldn't go along with the narrative with her husband as well.

You know what?

She wanted to be a fucking hero.

She wanted to be a hero.

Well, yeah.

Of course.

Because then everybody is going to be like, oh, you're a victim.

And you're so strong.

You're inspiration.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

It's just narcissism.

Yeah.

It doesn't hit the same as like a fiction novel.

No, it doesn't.

So I do want to talk about the ghost writer.

Because I mean, I know a lot of people have ghost writers from memoirs.

It seems kind of weird to me, but I guess, you know, some people aren't writers.

Yes.

I can understand it both ways.

I just don't think if I, I don't think if I would, if I know someone as a ghost writer on our memoir,

I don't think I'd read it.

No.

Like I think the point is supposed to be this like, I'm owning my shame.

I'm owning the things that I'm embarrassed of.

Like, I don't think it's the same thing if a ghost writer writes it.

If a ghost writer writes a fiction book or a cookbook, fine.

But like, yeah, I don't want, if it's supposed to be like a diary, like, yeah, it's very strange.

It's cheating.

And also, it's like, she seems like, you know, she was working in like venture capitalism.

I'm like, you seem intelligent enough to be able to write enough fucking money.

Also, like, do you really need to do this?

I know.

I need to do this.

Narcissism.

Anyways, her ghost writer is this man named Sam Lansky.

I also thought it was kind of weird that a man was her ghost writer.

Yes.

What a hack.

Anyways, people.

He's an American journalist, author, and screenwriter.

And he was the former editor at Time magazine.

He wrote for New York Magazine, the Atlantic Esquire.

The one thing that I thought was interesting about him is he was forcibly entered into one of

those wilderness rehabilitation programs in Utah, the same thing that happened to parasolton.

So this man has experienced his own traumatic experiences as a child.

So he ended up writing his own memoir in 2016 called The Gilded Razor.

It was about addiction and about that wilderness program.

So he had written his own thing, you know.

Then he wrote another one in 2020 called Broken People.

It was a novel exploring identity addiction and self-destruction.

But then this is what's really interesting in 2023.

It was revealed that he was the ghost writer behind Britney Spears' memoir, The Woman in Me,

which wasn't that allegedly written very poorly.

I have no idea.

Oh, and I obviously never read it.

But again, if he's a ghost writer for Britney Spears' novel, also dealing with lots of like sensitive material, trauma, personal information, etc.

So he was the ghost writer behind this novel.

I just find it.

It's just memoir.

Or memoir.

But it is the novel.

This one's a novel because this one's probably fiction allegedly.

The fictional work.

And I don't know.

It's just very weird to me.

It's like, you know, and he is being sued too.

He is one of the co-defendants on this lawsuit.

So it's like, how much information did he really know?

Did he know that these talent agents were getting the story from Jane Doe?

Was he given all of this by Amy?

And he really thought it was all true.

Like, it would be interesting to find out what he actually knew about everything.

And I'm sure we will.

Yeah.

You know, we'll shape my opinion of him.

Well, I'm sure that's what he'll argue.

And like, what's interesting?

Well, it would be very stupid of Amy to tell him what she did.

And usually how this would work.

I mean, and he's a journalist at time.

It would really surprise me if he knew that Amy stole the story because he would be risking his entire career.

Like, when he seems to have integrity with his work before, it would be a very weird pivot.

It would be risking, he'll never work again as a journalist.

If that, if it turns out he knows that, it would be stupid.

Amy would want to keep that as contained as possible.

You know what I mean?

Like, if one person knew that, it would be such a risk to that coming out.

And like, billionaires like her, like the talent agents, they can hire these fixer type people

who will do disgusting things and sign NDAs.

And like, they're the safe ones.

They're the people who like, do the shit that we talk about on the Epstein files, right?

Like, those people who work for billionaires exist.

But the Sam Lansky thing would be such a risk to tell him.

Yeah.

I doubt he knew.

But I don't know.

I don't know anything.

I don't know anything.

I don't know anything.

I don't know Hills.

And also though what's interesting is that this lawsuit is against the publisher, which

is Penguin Random House.

And I kind of see their side.

Like, they've been interviewed about this.

And they're like, we don't investigate.

Like, you're liable as the author, if you lie, and people come for you in a lawsuit.

And I don't understand how Penguin Random House would have investigated.

A claim of sexual assault when the writer was 12.

I don't know how they would do that.

Especially, say they did, right?

That teacher is real.

That dance happened.

She went to it.

She went to that school.

The dates line up.

Like, where are they going to poke holes in that?

So I bet they get out of this lawsuit because it's like, how are you supposed to prove?

And also this idea that we're supposed to believe women victims.

Like, what are they going to interrogate it and make her, I don't know, how would you prove

that?

Yeah.

I know.

Well, and I think that I think I was reading today about how publishers, it's like, they'll

do like, light background checks on things.

But it's like, they don't have their whole team to investigate every single little thing.

No, they have a lawyer look at it to see where you're legally liable based on things you're

doing about other people and you're writing.

And they'll be like, oh, maybe you should, you know, disguise that person's name or maybe

you should be vague about this.

Maybe you should change this language.

So it's your feelings, not fact.

But they don't.

And they'll say, like, if they come after you to get sued, I mean, they're going to get out

of this lawsuit.

They just are.

Yeah.

I don't think what's her name is unless she might settle, like she might throw money at this

problem at Jane Doe.

So it goes away.

And sure she will just to get it out.

Yeah.

Because part of the argument is that like, well, now my life rights are useless because you're

going to make a movie about my story saying it's you.

So now I can't do a book or whatever.

Yeah.

What she definitely could know, you know, she could know or she could just get money from this

lady.

Which is probably what will happen because this discovery process will get so ugly.

Yeah.

And probably expose the type of person.

Amy Griffin is.

So I would not be surprised if she settled.

Yeah.

I mean, she has the money too.

And all everything's alleged.

She knows if it's true or not.

But like, imagine how good Jane's door Jane, well, Jane Doe's story would be including

all of that and the stuff with Amy Griffin.

Like, that is something I would watch or read.

Yeah.

Totally.

Crazy.

All right.

Well, people are nuts.

And here we are.

We'll never stop exposing the billionaires.

Yeah.

Fuck them all.

That's right.

All right.

Well, until next week.

Keep your tinfoil hats on.

And we will see you soon.

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