Deni Avdija Set to Return, Scoot Henderson's Up & Down Play: Trail Blazers Outlook w/ Lamar Hurd

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and we'll talk the ending return of Danny Ovidia scoot Henderson's play this season and

the rise of Donovan clinging and more let's just get into it all right joining me now

trailblazers television analyst Lamar heard how you doing Lamar I'm doing good Mike how

you doing I'm doing pretty good it's good to catch up with you good to have you back on the

show always appreciate you we've got we're going to talk all things Blazers the stretch run of the

season and looking ahead but let's start with like the smallest bit of news which these days for

the Portland Trailblazers unfortunately is the injury reports the injury board is out and Danny

Ovidia has been upgraded to questionable without I'm I won't force you to speculate on what that

means but I'll happily do it um typically the way the Blazers have handled long from injuries

guys have gone from out to doubtful to questionable Danny Ovidia has been questionable or out

doubtful the last two games he's now upgraded questionable typically that means that Danny's about

to come back in what ways are the Blazers the most different with Danny Ovidia on the floor like

how what is the way he changes them the most in your opinion well he puts 25 points on the board

he you know puts whatever six seven assists six seven rebounds so there's a tangible benefit to

having them out there then there's all the little things that I know you're we're well aware of the

way that he can kind of bend the defense the type of attention he gets when he gets the ball in

his hands at the middle of the floor he just makes other guys shots even more open and he's

just a threat himself to take over a game at a certain time you know he played really well

down the stretch last year he was really really good like he was like it was like one of those

things where it was like if he plays like this he'll be an all star but then you kind of feel like

yeah March and April you know you don't want to say this you don't want to stamp it as real

but it was clearly he was really good right he took a he took a major step forward the whole

second half last season the last 35 games is very very good did you see this level in him like

whether whether it was the level he's been at this season where I think he's probably like

he's borderline all NBA and if he gets if he's eligible he will get votes for all NBA I don't

know if he'll make the team but he'll definitely get votes did you see this level in him last year

I did and I that's not me saying it now because it came to fruition I even said it's a

Kevin Lacer we were joking earlier about there was a game in San Antonio earlier this season and

somehow Denny's name came up and we were talking about you know where he might go and I told Kevin

I said Kevin that's why I mentioned to you last year I really felt like he could be a franchise

type player and then Kevin half jokingly but half serious was like no you didn't and so I remembered

when I did it is when we were in New York and after a game we were wrapping up the game and he had

he had a really good game at msg last year if you remember that but I was thinking when I made

the comment I made it because I was thinking about the totality of Denny's season to where it was

at that time and when he first came in remember remember Denny's first few games how he was getting

like layups and just missing layups but that's what his career had been based on up until that time

so I felt like okay well that's gonna flip like that's not gonna last forever and then when I started

to see him with the ball see him with the ball in his hands and how forceful he was because I

didn't know that when he was at Washington but when I saw off for he was I was like this is kind

of and I said this in games last season I said I'm not saying he's LeBron James I'm not saying he's

Janus what I'm saying is when he gets the ball in his hands in open floor I'm watching defenses

react the same way they react when those two guys have the ball in the open floor okay now he's

making threes off the dribble too so he starts putting these things together with what I knew he could

do and then in addition all that he's just such a pleasure to be around you know like we've had

a really well really good in Portland with Damien Lillard you know doesn't get any better than

him in terms of an athlete to be around and to ingratiate himself with the community the people

the co-workers Denny is very similar very and noticing all that last year in addition to his

basketball I felt comfortable saying I think this guy could be like a lot of teams franchise

player and by the lake which found the tape that that I said it at that New York jigsand they tried

to play it back and the people in our truck earned a volume down right before I said the word

fan thine so Kevin and I had a good kid that but then he was able to verify the video later um so

it's less alike in a roundabout way like yeah last year I did see this I saw like

the averages he's hitting now um I thought he'd get better and I'll tell you another thing like I

really believe there's another level he can go to and kind of easily because early in the season

he wasn't shooting the 10 foot shot the 15 foot shot a whole lot and like for somebody

can barrel their way to the rim you're always going to have a defense on the tails and so even

when he gets into the fate because of how good he is drawn files defense is always going to be back

just a little bit just a little bit or at the at the very most they'll be vertical they'll be straight

up to avoid getting a foul and I kept saying I don't know why Denny won't get to that 10 foot spot

and just shoot a little fade away just a little lean back like it's a really easy shot to shoot

especially for somebody as good as him and he started shooting at this year and he started shooting

other pull up so if he gets really efficient in that zone which I really think he can I think

he's got another level he can hit yeah I like I don't know if he's ever going to be a guy who takes

the like tween tween has he has he fall away 19 footers like I don't know that he's going to be

DeMar de Rosen there but I do think that that middle of the paint the like when they give you

space because you're such a you're so mean on your drives and you just like throw your shoulder

in everyone they say like okay don't catch the shoulder you know like get him at the rim and

contest him there well then you have that little bit of space I think I think he's done a really

good job on in that same area with realizing when he has spacing throwing those little half

lobs with his with with off the off the dribble with his right hand like if you give him a little space

and he has that and he has a ball in his right hand that's a lot like he's he's become a very very

good like half court in traffic lob tosser he's made Donald and clinging he's just giving him some

easy buckets in those ways Rob obviously as well and some of that is just reading because guys don't

they don't want to give him all that pressure or they or they're trying to get him back to his

you know send him to his right hand and he says oh you came up too high right over the top I think

he's done really that those areas the the passing was always there but his willingness to still be

a passer on the on drives is really something that I've appreciated this year because um

you know he's he leading the NBA in drives per game when he was when he was playing regularly and

you know when he when he was right physically and but he was also lean league and pass off those

drives right he was he was he was driving because it's valuable but he was not being you know there's

times when you need him to be selfish this kind of the way the sport works but he was he was really

using that drive as a weapon for everybody and I thought that that's like a matured right that's

a maturity to understand that I got to use my strengths to make everyone better and then like you

said that's kind of what how he greases the wheels for everybody yep and that's his personality he's

he's always trying to make it better for everybody who's working with them and that might what

you just explained it leads me to feel like he can get even better because right now he's making

those drives and passes to a team that's been the worst three-point shooting team in the NBA this

season if he gets a point where there's several shooters lined up around him consistently um he's

taking another step uh and so right now the damage he's doing he's doing with certain limitations

with all due respect to the guys out there playing and doing their best you know one reason a place

we're so excited to acquire v-craties because they're like we sorely need shooting so as that

continues to improve around him I think he'll be really dangerous I mentioned to one of the blazer

6x before a game I said if you guys ever got real shooters you'll you'll be like Denny's gonna

be even better and they shot me look like how dare you and I was like hey go on you know we both

know what what it is like I'm trying to be mean to any of these gentlemen like they're you know but

like you we we know what the level of shooting you guys that is exists in the league and I think

they've been honest at times about the need for more shooting and I think if it hadn't been coming

from me and sort of an op-handed quip they would have it would have landed a little better but I

thought it's pretty funny it was like Mike don't say that to me okay no um pass first point

guard can speak up with everything wants to yeah no listen I you have to be if you're gonna be

critical away from someone's face I think it's it pays off it's it you might as well say the same

thing right in front of their face right team can't shoot I've said if I'm gonna say it in the

Michael said I'll stay next to you Mike I don't even consider that critical I think uh you know

that's that's just the truth of the matter the stats say the team doesn't shoot well right

they'll start like some uh crazy opinion uh and they know and guys on the floor who aren't shooting

well nope they're not shooting well so everybody knows what it is and everybody knows that uh you

you line some more shooters up around any and good things will happen yeah absolutely and and

what good players really do is they don't necessarily make the game easier like they don't make it

they don't make players excuse me they don't make the players better but they make it easier they

make all of your decisions easier so if you know some of the like two money come on are having to

take four jab steps and shoot because he's not open on the catch well the catch becomes cleaner

because of the drives like all that stuff at all it's low it all flows downhill um I want to ask

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the rest of my conversation with Lamar hurt i want to ask you about scoot Henderson we haven't seen

a ton of them but we he's been back and he's played a bunch he's in a he's in a shooting funk right

now he he's he's really struggled on on this road trip to make shots last four games he's he's been

not shot well but beyond the shooting which i think is obvious what have you seen from scoop uh

from in his spin in his return to the court this year uh this year i feel like he got off to a

pretty good fast start considering he hadn't played um you know like i was making a point to

Kevin we were talking about this and i said you know the really cool thing about scoop when he first

came back is it's not like an athlete who started the season got to play some games got to get an

NBA shape and then got hurt a couple months in and then had to ramp back up like he never got

that NBA touchpoint from a game standpoint until he played a game and that was really impressive

the way he came back to me over his last few games um you know i i just because he missing i

wouldn't say this but i would say this because of how he's missed certain shots and he had one in

the game against Atlanta where it was a how he missed that stood out to me um i i i wonder if

some of it is mental it would only be natural to have a bit of a mental obstacle going on in your

mind when you just look at the totality of his career to this point rookie year wasn't what he or

anybody around him expected second year oh saw some good stuff oh okay school shootin threes now

he shootin off the dribble and all these things and then coming into this season right two things

they mean little returns so that's a variable that mentally likely was not a part of his approach

before that time and then he gets hurt he gets hurt right during the training camp time right before

that time when he was playing really well and the reason i say that i didn't see it but i say it

because the people who came up to me that are in the gym with him every day that went out of their

way to talk about it when there's no cameras on this wasn't something for me to report in the game

we know he's gonna be out for a while so this isn't like a setup to preview schooled information

it's just candid conversations schooled apparently was doing some real good stuff in that environment

at a level that they hadn't seen him do it so with with with the coming in and then want knowing like

okay the clock is ticking like we're we're a month and a half a blazer basketball away from

Damien Lillard returning now we don't know what that means exactly and and how they're gonna integrate

and all that but we know he's one of the best still doing it so he's gonna play a factor so i

can only imagine to an extent maybe not a lot school knows that and he knows that this is a

an important time for him to make an impression um i it's easy to say well sometimes it feels like

he's pressing a little bit but i'm not so sure that that's the case because some of the same

misses that i'm saying he's had that stood out to me like whoa that didn't look good

i seen him make the shot in that same scenario so um i don't know if it's pressing or just a matter of

you know uh confidence wavering a little bit and and like he been around school you know

school say very confident young man even back to his rookie season when he wasn't playing the way

he wanted to play if you talk to him you want to know that like he would think everything was going

great because he he believes and knows he's going to break out of whatever the funk is which he did

from rookie year to year two um so i'm just hopeful that at some point over these next couple games

that he's able to reengage himself in a way that he feels good about and that blazer fans can feel

good about yeah the first three four games that he played it was like oh yeah he's gonna he's like

he's gonna help like he can he can really do some stuff he can really help and i think he's just

kind of struggled with the efficiency stuff and then outside shooting um you know i think uh

some of it is just like maybe just the natural course of like having a bad shooting game but like

you said some of the you know some of the misses like being way off it's like okay oh yeah that's

that's at least something to note it right and they're just way off like not like missing short

like in the Atlantic game he had two threes i think it was his first two threes i don't

remember a few was this but he had two that didn't hit the rim he had a layup where now he was

trying to plant two was left and then go back to the right and reverse the ball but he hit the

glass and then just bounced off you know that's like an air ball essentially from a layup position

and it's good to better than that so like he's had certain misses where it just seems like all right

something's going on not so sure what it is but whatever it is i do believe he'll step out of it

yeah you were talking about his confidence i think i don't know about i don't think i've shared

this on the podcast but i'm like over three maybe over four lifetime getting scoop to admit that

his confidence is shaken i've gone into the locker room kind of like someone on one moment

with him and been like you know has you have you like you know had you had you know maybe change the

way you think about this and that is absolutely not nope no no and i'm like then i'll go back

months later and say like have you has this changed no no nothing's changed nope still feel the same

way and he's like he is whether it's whether it is you know how real it is or whatever but he's

he's not he's certainly not about to tell me that he feels like it's like his outlook is any

different he has he has a certain amount of confidence that is i think required to be in the leak i

i think that is a if nothing i think that's a good sign so the most part that you have that

level of confidence yeah because it's hard it's hard to stick and you got you kind of believe

that you got to believe that you will uh on scoot i think the best version of scoot for me is the guy

who you know pick and roll screen re screen dribble see the read you know gets it gets a play with the

ball in his hands with denny back scoot has to play a little bit off the ball not not exclusively

right but did they they you have to balance that right what do you think about him as an off-ball

player at this stage like where where where has he excelled and where can he get better

inconclusive to me of some places he's excelled as when you know they space him out a little bit

and they run that action to get the stampede catch and with his speed and his leverage

he's able to step on people um he is a catch and shoot threat well he i mean

not include in the last few games but he he turned himself into someone that defenses didn't just

comfortably leave wide open they still weren't you know maybe running him off the line or that kind

of thing but they were they were mixing up picking roll competition they weren't just going under

all the time some classes under than over or vice versa so he gained a level of respect off the ball

i just with him and denny on the floor i think that's a tough um that's a tough

unless one of those two guys might start shooting 40% from three or something to that nature

i just i don't know how good that tandem will work i think um in spots it can definitely work

depending on matchup depending you know like it can work but i think what happened is denny came over

here and at the time when denny came over i don't think the idea was this guy's gonna be the one

we're putting the ball in his hands and we're like from the standpoint of the at the point guard

position or hey ball needs to be in his hands 12 out of the 24 seconds at a shot clock that's

what we're we're looking at dosage in with this guy from time and time i don't i don't know that

that was the plan so at that time it's like yeah school still won't have the ball in his hands and

he's gonna make stuff happen and all that but like things happen and i know you've seen this kind of

thing before as as a team evolves you start finding out certain things and you start figuring out

you know okay well we're gonna go this direction with with this plan so you know maybe it started off

and the team was thinking school will be the point guard and and they still might be thinking that

but they also could be thinking okay we got to figure out how to get school playing off the ball

because we need that ball in denny's hands um so i think it's the inconclusive right now and that's

just another one of those bombers of him not playing the season like that was the kind of thing

that we wanted to find out about and it's what i'll be looking for you know the last 20 games or

whatever number right now let's never ask an NBA team employee to tell you what day of the week

is it or how many games i played oh what day of the week it is it's Memphis it is so it is

game against Memphis a day of the week um yeah i wonder with with that like i i think i'm with you

is that the balance there seems tricky because denny has been a pretty good spot-up shooter but it

doesn't maximize him right it takes away some of his superpower and like one of the things that i

strongly believe and i think i've stolen this from mic dan tony and kind of looped it into my own

thing is like you might as well do what your best at every time down the floor like that there's

value in just doing what your best at every time down the floor um choosing not to do that is uh

is is a choice you make so you know maybe some of it is figuring out what what scoot is is absolutely

the best at how to maximize that and play off of denny there because i think denny's earned the

sort of like the guy um he's he's uh he's yeah that's the thing denny is put pressure on the timeline now

because he has the type the book before this the the the the idea of laser basketball was let's find

out with these guys got less experiment let's try different line-ups let's try guys at different

positions hey you're not a three-point shooter well you can try it right now and what denny has

done is he's fast-tracked a little bit where it's like all right the trial period is narrowing

its end because there's there's this one guy that doesn't need any more of a trial period and so

now you got to start doing some things that you feel more certain about so um you know denny has

taken away that time from some of those teammates but uh hopefully like i said but then it's these

last few weeks they can still find a time like school can continue to explore his game a little bit denny

you know when he comes back depending on what's going on depending on how many wins the team needs

uh you know being a play in and move up and all that kind of stuff that stuff will dictate what

they are able to do trial and error with and what they got to say no we got to we got to we got to go

what we know on this yeah i think that's an interesting way to put it is like they've they've

their their ability to be uncertain has the that window has closed they are there it is time to be

more certain about what you've got i think that's uh that's a good uh really interesting way to frame

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is the rest of my conversation with trailblazers tv analyst Lamar heard uh let's let's talk

on the cling a little bit because dude had a monster February he had a monster February um he

he listened quietly he did gotta get the locked on blazers curse he had a really nice December

and I brought him on the show he got about a bad January shooting the ball and then he got

further away from the show and then he was awesome in February so I think he shook off the locked

on blazers curse I hope it was happened to you you're gonna be flubbing names tomorrow and just

missing couperages um but what it what has um what have you appreciated most about Donovan

Klingon's rise in you in his second season well talk about trial and error I appreciate Donovan's

ability and willingness to shoot the three-point shot even when things weren't going well and

he had times early in the season when missing a lot uh he kept shooting it because he's put the

work in on it um I appreciate that and I appreciate how much better he is finishing plays this season

compared to last season and I don't want to say that he got better at that oh Mike you're giving

me a look so let me okay oh you made it he's he's he's he's finished you all he's finishing well

I agree uh he's so so um and I'm and I'm not saying finishing well I'm saying better than

last season so last season sure times Donovan will get the rebound and I did not feel like oh he's

about to drop step and dunk this or he's about to power through somebody and and finish this play

and he has done that more this year than he did all of last season in my estimation so that's

one of the things I'm I'm happy about him being more assertive with that because he's got a

size advantage most nights um and then just defensively uh you know I know he's not

blocking the shots the same way um he's all turned a lot of shots they're wanting to keep them

down uh low all the time you know so like they want to have them drop off of his man when he's

off ball and uh he you know the blazers will sit and drop covers a lot of times in a picking roll

and even with that like once people get into the pain he's good at defending that gets the two on

one and you know being disruptive uh but the next thing is going to be for him having a bit of a

rob Williams ability where if the team does go small or if they do drag him out to the three-point line

coach splitter feels comfortable knowing that they want to keep down if they're about to ram but

he's able to get out a little bit better slide his beat and um just be be helpful in that particular

case yeah I think the um I think there's some angst among the fan base about uh the way teams

are able to sort of target the blazers with that drop coverage a little bit on three-point shooting

I think it's a little bit overstated I mean some of it is like recency bias because the on

yaku kong would just got hot um but the first couple three you made were from the corner they

weren't really necessarily drop covers they were more like helping in from the weak side from the

weak side um which is like a very normal NBA thing like you're gonna pull in from the weak side

every team does it um this just he hit him he hit him and it feels a lot worse um but like I uh

there were some moments where they could have gotten further out on a conglue later in the game but

I think the first two specifically were more like weak side threes that he just hits um do you

what do you make of the defense this year it hasn't been as good um I think clangit has been a

really good rim deterrent but again his shot blocking is down and the the overall block percentages

down but what do you make of the defense this year like why don't what are the is it just the case

of like a million little things that are not as sharper or why aren't they as good as they were

for that stretch last year when they were really awesome they were great at the end of the year

well there's a couple factors here um they got a different coach right now so you know we know

coach bill of defense was really big on his priority list of the point where a guy like Shane and

Sharpe who was scoring well got sat because closing the field like he was playing defense

the injuries I think put stuff in a bit of a tailspin where the identity they wanted to have they

didn't feel comfortable that they can have that with the limited lineup that they were playing out

there but even with the defense has not been what I thought it would be uh there was even

aim there was a gain uh who was it it was a home game it was recently and oh against Denver

member of that Denver ever won by I don't know with 40 50 points whatever they won by 54 maybe

yes so in that game the first half the blinks are already getting blown out and nothing they

were doing defensively with working well and so I told Kevin I was like you know this to me

seems like a good time to go to that small chaos lineup and just see and I'm not even saying

it's gonna work but nothing else was working so this is just something that they could try that

we had seen early in a season times when it went to it it did work so I thought it'd be good time

to do that and when it came out of half time nothing nothing changed nothing changed from that

standpoint the intensity didn't increase the lineup wasn't a faster lineup they went to a

late in that game uh but that that lineup and that style of play is something that I just thought

we would be seeing a lot more and somewhere along the way I think just for coach blitter and the staff

they they settled on a comfort of playing the way we seen them play with the guys that they have

so um it's unfortunate because defensively they they they should have been one of the better teams

in the NBA the whole time with their personnel but they just it just never really came to fruition

and some of that the defensive ace the guy was second team last year to mind a camara

he even thinking about the defensive load he had to carry throughout the early part of the season

when guys started going down you know the same way how in offense better players can like make

other guys life easier like you were saying it works the same way defensively and I think if they

had that defensive chaotic lineup all the time even he would have signed even more and I don't

even think he was bad I think he's been good but I'm just saying I think he would have looked

better I think he would have even better so I would I think I would just talk it up to to the injuries

and that throwing off the lineups a place where the coaches staff felt like the way they they are

playing as the way that they needed to play yeah I you know I think early you know the the first four

games or whatever the the tight the small lineup is going to call the tiny lineup they play a lot

do the six five plus the the smaller lineup centerless lineup was awesome like it was lights out

and then after some injuries I think they were I think at least the numbers like with the in the

centerless lineup they were just awful on defense and I think they kind of said okay we're going

to play a center like we're gonna play we're you know we're gonna play a center and then it took

them so long to get back and get healthy that they're probably not as comfortable as they might be

they've tried it a little bit but but they they haven't really leaned into it in the way you

thought they would and I think splitters say to you I was talking about this a little bit is like

he felt like he was putting a lot on Tumani's plate at some point this season is he's playing 38

minutes like what you know what how much can I ask him to do and I think Tumani has not been as good

on defense but I still think honestly for me I think Tumani has still been one of the better

defenders in league without a doubt I don't know if he'll make all defense this year just because

of the teams overall defense but Tumani to me is not the is not the number one I wonder a little bit

of it is just like because of all the injuries it's like the offensive load for for denny obvi has

been massive and that's taken a little bit away from him on defense and he's he's a very good

defender but it's like you only have so you only have so much human energy to use out on the court

and he's expending it running 10,000 picking roles game right and this so I think some of it is if

you balance the offense and get him a little more comfort there you can get back to defense and I

think I think it's like I think it's there for him like I think the like you said I think the

personnel is there for them to be a good defense I've been I thought there were going to be a top

10 defense in the league and they just have not been and so it's been surprising to me Lamar

thank you so much for your time it is always a pleasure to chat with you you are truly one of

the great I don't know okay I'm gonna say this I'm just gonna give you just a big old compliments

and you're gonna have to sit through it but listen I'm a I'm a league pass junk I'm a league pass

junk I watched I watched so many league pass games to the point where I have some no fly zone there's

some broadcast where I'm like watch this game on watch this game on mute I'm not I'm not we don't fly

here that's that's not gonna work for me but I would say my I think the thing you do better than maybe

anyone else in the league is quickly recognized and diagnosed what the heck just happens and I hope

laser fans realize that because if you watch as much league passes I do there are really fun broadcasts

out there but I don't know that anyone can say here's why this happened as quickly in the league

as as Lamar I he is as good at it as as as as anybody he says well they were on top of the screen

and so it allowed them to go back door and when they back door the weak side guy had to help and

that's why the corner is wide open and Lamar can do that at full speed he can he can do it as the

game is he can process as the game is happening he doesn't need to see the replace six times and you

do not get that other places so laser fans appreciate Lamar because he is he is watching the game at

a very high level and he's he's making you smarter about hoops and if there's anything we

appreciate I'll lock down blazers it's trying to get smarter about hoops Lamar thanks so much I

appreciate you man good man thank you really appreciate it dear listeners come back for tomorrow

show blazers grizzlies grizzlies are in Minnesota right now they're playing a basketball game that starts

well it's kind of timestamp this a little bit soon they're playing a basketball game that starts

in 25 minutes so they'll be in the second night of a backs back and traveling blazers play a

little rest advantage in Memphis chance to end the losing streak get rights against against the

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