Disclosure Debate No One Is Ready For

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Hello, hello, everybody.

Welcome.

Hope you're doing beautifully.

This is Neil with Portal to Ascension.

I'm here with my best friend, co-host and partner in consciousness creation, Joan of

Angels.

Today, we have a special show.

We have Ismael Perez coming on, which I know a lot of you really love him, a lot of

you have requested Ismael on the platform as well.

I wanted to start out with a little monologue and I want to have Joan, I've never done this

before.

It's monologue, but I want to have Joan give me some feedback on this first before we start

and just want to speak for my heart, you know, I've been in this world like consciousness

event creation for 17 years, right, starting in 2008.

And the amount of times that I have, the amount of things that I've seen, the amount of presenters

I've spoken to, the amount of information that I've heard and taken in, it's just, you

cannot even release exponential, you can't even come up with a number of content and hours

of consumed and events have created.

And within that, I've heard so many different experiences, so many different perspectives.

There's a few things that I've noticed as of, as I've done it for the last 17 years,

is that one thing is that a lot of times when we have things that conflict against our

own belief systems, it's really hard for us to accept or adapt or even have open dialogue.

One thing that really has not sat well with me for many years now and, you know, when

I started this and when 17 years ago, I was like 23 years old, you know, and, and I was

so excited about, oh my God, we're shifting in consciousness, everything is evolving,

the ET is a real, you know, all of that.

And even though I've been already deep dive learning for eight years, and I realized

that so many people, they aren't willing to sit and have a conversation with people,

maybe that they don't fully agree with or that they have maybe different belief systems.

And a lot of times, it actually stops us from being able to evolve ourselves to another

level of perspective and integrate and hear other people out because we're so pigeonholed

in our own belief system.

And you know, the terms that come to me is cognitive dissonance, right?

And here's the, here's what cognitive dissonance is, you guys probably already know, refers

to mental discomfort when we hold contradictions in beliefs, values, or ideas at the same time.

It often occurs when new information challenges existing beliefs.

So when people are having cognitive dissonance, like it's, it's used in this community all

the time by you for disclosure speakers, by spiritual people, people that are energy healers

talking about people that don't believe in energy.

And we're all talking about the other, those that aren't aware how they have cognitive

dissonance, little do we realize it continuously exists even within our community because then

you start getting all this information and awareness.

Now this is what you believe these beings communicate in this way.

This is their relationship to us.

This is what is happening in the deep state and the shadowy parts of government.

Somebody comes and conflicts with that belief system, right?

We then have cognitive dissonance in them.

Unfortunately for us, we're kind of get blind to it when we get into spiritual community

because we, a lot of us believe we're the ones that don't have that, right?

So that's where we came from.

So that's one of the things that I've noticed.

And another component is early in the early in the, like when I was doing the events

in the beginning, I was walking over, I was not walking around, I was driving around

the US doing sound healing events, to ET channeling events, meaning all types of people.

And I would be giving like these inspirational speeches.

And I would say collaboration over competition.

I went to a Jordan Maxwell talk very long time ago.

And he said, when someone tells you they know all the truth, start walking the other way.

And so what I did was I just kept an open perspective

and really started realizing that it's all about us coming together

and putting pieces of the puzzle together to figure out a greater truth.

And we all have perspectives on that.

And if we start closing ourselves off to people that we may be not resonating with

or that we might resonate with, but we're not even giving a chance to speak to,

how are we ever going to move forward and evolve

and how are we ever going to change the narrative that has been here for so long?

We're continuing the old paradigm.

So portal to sentience always been a place with dialogue over division, curiosity over dismissal, right?

Be curious about yourself, be curious about others.

What kind of conversation can we have from this and how can we all grow from it?

And as I was kind of thinking of what I was going to say in this opening monologue,

I found a quote online.

And I love this quote.

It goes, if we seek truth, curiosity must be our compass.

If we seek unity, respect, respect must be our foundation.

If we seek unity, respect must be our foundation.

If I told you guys how many times I've been called Illuminati in the last 17 years,

your mind's a blow, you know, it's like when you don't agree with someone,

it doesn't mean that they're the other.

We're all humans trying to work together and figure this out.

So even when we encounter views that diverge from our own and challenge our own framework,

we benefit when we approach them with an open heart.

And that's what portal to sentience is all about.

And that's what we're going to do today because today we have is no press.

And the reason why I shared all that is because I feel he is a very controversial figure.

In the community.

And I've shared some of his most work before and is completely split down the middle.

The love and admiration is beyond.

And then the dismissal is also on the complete polar opposite.

But he is a human.

I'm a human.

We're all trying to work towards the same goal.

Why don't we have an open conversation and try to figure out where we have common ground.

So we can move forward and create a beautiful planet for everyone.

And that's what opening one like, what do you think John?

OK, well, I'm blown away from your approach.

And I think you're right.

The big division began, I think, around 2020 when all of these separations happen,

especially in the light worker slash star seed slash UFO community,

all of us who work to uplift humanity, the split began to be very clear around 2020.

So who does that benefit when the light workers are split?

OK, we know who it benefits.

It benefits the dark.

So when we keep these controversies alive, we are really playing into the other side.

And that's not the side that we are on as humans evolving into the higher light.

So when you first told me you were having Ishmael on and we've had Ishmael on before,

I really like his work.

I love how he responds to people in certain ways.

I thought this is going to be great.

Not that we have conflict with Ishmael, but we do.

There are differing opinions that people across the planet have.

And we might as well bring them out and they open.

Yeah, exactly.

And we'll become more powerful because of it.

Exactly.

I love what you just said.

Yeah, like the divide and conquer is the name of the game.

It's been the name of the game for so long.

And if we continuously push away people that are actually working towards the upliftment

of humanity, then we're actually feeding into that old system.

Right.

And what makes us so sure that if we were outside looking in that we are actually accurate,

we only know exactly what we've been shown just like exactly.

Yes.

Yes.

All right.

So let's get into bringing out Ishmael.

So let me do a little bulleted point bio for Ishmael Perez.

He is an author, a speaker in the UFO Galactic Contact Space, discussing humanity's cosmic

origins, the Galactic Federation, multidimensional councils and related spiritual narratives.

He appears on, he's appeared on coast to coast.

He was on Sean Kelly's show pre recently alleged ET contact claims.

He creates ET contact claims about Earth's role in broad, galactic context in community

discussions and online channels.

He often offers intel updates and transmissions that mix cosmic history, geopolitics and predictions

about disclosure or timelines.

And so are you ready to bring on Ishmael, Joe?

Why not?

Why not?

Let's.

Ishmael, welcome.

Thank you, Neil.

And that was a beautifully stated intro, by the way.

Thank you so much for having me here.

It's a great honor and pleasure to be here again.

I'm really happy to see you.

Yeah.

We're happy to see you too.

So I would love to start with kind of where a lot of the interviews end with.

I would like to start with your intention.

What do you hope that people take away from your work, whether they agree with it partially

or fully?

Just that we are all in this together that despite the differences, despite the different approaches

of explaining certain scenarios, one thing we all have in common, and I think you guys

could agree with this is the fact that we all want this new Earth reality, this golden

age, where we are once again living in cooperation and harmony, not only among ourselves, but

among all living things.

And I think that is one common denominator that we all have, whether we are flat earthers

or whether we are round earthers or whether we believe AI is totally evil or good or whatever.

I think that the common denominator is probably the most important thing that we should all

be focusing on right now.

And just like Joanna Vangel said, you know, divide and conquer has always been the name

of the game.

That is what they call the Higalean dialect for those who have studied philosophy.

And this is something that the powers that were, and I do call them powers that were because

they are in their last days, this is something that they've always implemented through

organized religion, through different ideologies, through different philosophies in order to

keep the masses divided because through divide and conquer, that's how they stay in power.

So my message to everyone, and yes, I know that when I first came in the scene, I came

in so fast, I was on so many platforms.

People thought I was CIA, I do read the comments, people thought I was AI.

But the whole point is this, is that despite the controversy, and I know I'm a very controversial

figure in this community, we have to focus on the commonality, and the commonality is we

are all fighting for a new earth.

We are all fighting for freedom.

And most importantly, we all want the truth to come out.

We all want disclosure.

Would you agree, Neil, that we all want disclosure?

Not only do we want disclosure regarding the, you know, UFOs that our own government has

been employing for over 80 years within the Secret Space Program, the free energy technology.

But most importantly, we all want disclosure about our extraterrestrial origin.

And if that is something that we all have in common in this community, it's the fact

that we all want disclosure.

So I can understand why some people thought that I was Illuminati, just like they thought,

I didn't even know that they thought you were Illuminati with the last 17 months.

Because I charged $33 for some events on my website, some of the emails that I've got,

that's one of the reasons, you know, oh my god, you know, and I do charge, I teach some

high level ascension courses where I teach people how to embody their cosmic self.

And a lot of my students that have been taking my courses, they tell me that I actually

offer my courses for a really inexpensive price as they said that other spiritual teachers

teach the same methods and the same knowledge at a thousand or more per course and I only

offer them for a hundred bucks.

So I can relate to you on that.

And you know, we do that because we have to make a living.

So the whole point is this, when I first came into the scene back in 2022, I think that's

when I first really became known in this community, it wasn't by accident.

I actually was watching an interview that was being done by Nicholas Veniamin, I don't

know if you've ever heard of him, but he's really big in the geopolitical, why hat movement.

And he was interviewing a guy by the name of Jason Shurka.

And he asked Jason Shurka two questions.

He said, what do you think about the grace?

And Jason Shurka said, I have no clue about who the grays are.

And then he asked him a second question, what do you think about the plateans?

And Jason Shurka said, I have no clue of who they are.

So what I did is I actually followed him on Instagram, Nicholas Veniamin, an IDM to him

and I said, hey, listen, my name is Ishma Perez.

I just published a book called our cosmic origin that not only details who these extraterrestrial

species are, but also gives you a, gives the galactic history of the wars that have been

going on for millions of years.

And he said, all right, I would love for you to come on my show.

And that's how it happened.

He was curious.

So he had me on his show and right after I was interviewed by Nicholas Veniamin, apparently

I broke down the entire cosmic connection to what's happening here on the earth with

the war between the earth alliance and the Kabbal.

And another lady who was pretty much famous in the community by the name of Tara by Janine,

big platform, she heard my interview and she was impressed with what I had to say regarding

the different universes and our place in the multiverse.

And so she had me on her show.

And then one thing led to another, all of her friends and their moms wanted me on their

show.

I was getting emails from that point on me.

I was getting emails every day from every podcast out there.

I think back then in 2022, there was a lot of podcasts that had a large following and

they all wanted to interview me.

So it wasn't by accident.

It wasn't because I was working for the CIA.

I mean, if people only knew my upbringing, I struggled my whole life until 2021, okay?

Working two jobs, raising two kids who are now grown.

While I was in the process of writing books, you know, this is my second book, our cosmic

origin.

I did write my first book back in 2005, back when nobody really, really even knew about

what was really happening.

And so the whole point is because of that initial DM to Nicholas Vinyamin, I went on all

these shows within a small period of time.

And that explains why I became so, I guess, I hate to use the word popular, but I would

use the word known in this community as a result of that.

So it wasn't by accident.

It wasn't because I was groomed by the CIA.

I mean, if people only lived in tune into my weekly updates, I do weekly updates on alliance,

galactic reports.

With all the information that I share, there is no way in heck that I am CIA.

You know, in fact, I am exposing what the corrupt counterintelligence group under the control

of the Kabul has been doing for quite some time.

So why would I be, you know, giving away their secrets, if I'm on their side, it makes

no sense.

So the whole point is this.

I came on really fast because I did a lot of interviews.

And at the same time, my book or cosmic origin did strike a lot of controversy because not

only did I, was I one of the first to restore galactic history and the Earth's place in the

organization of the multiverse, integrating all this advanced cosmology, ancient, exopolitics,

and of course, cutting edge science with classified information and putting it all into one

book.

And I could, I could understand why people thought it was very controversial because a lot

of the time, people had to read my book over, over and over because it was well over their

heads.

But the whole point is this, I came out right after COVID, right when, you know, a lot

of people were waking up.

I was on so many shows because I first landed an interview with Nicholas Veniam and who had

a big platform back then.

And then, uh, terabyte Janine and then all of a sudden, I was on everybody else's platform

within a period of like three to four months.

So that's what happened, you know, for those who are wondering, how come Ishmael Perez

came out of nowhere and he was everywhere at once, because I was one of the people wondering

that too.

But it was also because people would be saying that and having a conversation about it

because they would be showing up places.

And on some level, you know, a lot of people have been doing this work for some time and

they haven't didn't get as viral as, or as well known as you are.

And I feel like on some level, people saw that there was maybe a little bit of jealousy

as well in the community.

And then also they just felt that like, how did you come out of nowhere?

So I'm glad that you really spoke to, you know, what that process was.

Now I'd love for you to speak about what led up to you releasing this book, right?

You created one book before, where were you getting your information from?

Like what was actually happening and that not only you got your information from

the book, but you continuously are finding out information behind the scenes was

happening with the cabal.

What's going on with the governments, the shadowy parts of governments?

Where does that all come from?

It all comes from my connections with my galactic counterparts.

So as multi-dimensional beings, one of the things that I teach my students is how to

reconnect with their higher or higher versions of themselves that are still operating in

higher realities.

So that's how I get a lot of my information.

It comes from versions of myself that are operating on fifth dimension level of reality

and above.

Now, going back to your initial question, ever since I was a kid, I was always curious,

you know, at the age of 16, I read every philosophical text out there, Plato's Republic,

Pythagoras, Socrates, and I even dialed into the 18th century philosophy.

I could quote any philosopher from Frederick Nietzsche to Kierkegaard, Hegel, and everything

in between the manual, Kant, you name it.

I've read them all, but I wasn't still satisfied.

I knew that there was more to the story than just philosophy.

So at the age of 17, I stumbled upon this esoteric text that explained the role of

secret societies and their influence on society.

And I was only 17.

I haven't even graduated high school.

So of course, you have to understand that back then, a lot of my peers thought I was weird.

And so I would spend hours a day just reading, observing information like a sponge.

I typed really deep into the esoteric philosophy.

I got into the secret knowledge of all ages, Manly Peahawl.

I read every text out there.

I mean, I was hungry for knowledge.

So that's how it all began.

And that, my friend, is what led to me actually writing my first book at the age of 22.

I was only 22, 23 when I published it, and that was the secret government.

In the secret government, what I do is I consolidate it, all of the information that I've gathered

from all of those years of study, explaining how these secret societies ultimately influence

everything in society, everything, you know.

So what I did in that book is I explained the history of the brotherhoods.

I also came to the realization that due to polarity, not only are there negative secret societies,

but there were also positive secret societies to give you guys an example, the community

of Konram, the scenes, they were a positive secret society.

A lot of people have heard about them due to the reason, a reason of the Gnostic text

or the Dead Sea Scrolls, they talked about the scenes.

And who these scenes were is that they were a private community that secluded themselves

from the Roman Empire and the known world 2,000 years ago.

And in order to preserve the ancient knowledge, which is what we call metaphysics, that is

now coming forward in preparation, of course, for the ascension.

So what I did in that book is I detailed the entire battle of these two brotherhoods.

One of them is known as the Babylonian Luciferian, and this is where we get the concept of the

Illuminati bloodlines, the reptilian human hybrids.

And then, of course, the other one is what I call the Melchizedic Brotherhood of Light,

known by multiple names.

And so what I did in my book, the secret government, is I detailed the entire war between these

two brotherhoods going into the present moment, including how 911 was an inside job and

all of that stuff.

This is back in 2005 where a lot of people were still drinking the Kool-Aid, and they were

still heavenly programmed.

And of course, due to cognitive dissonance, that book didn't do very well.

I did get a lot of backlash because of that.

Everyone was calling me a conspiracy theory.

Well, to be specific, I actually submitted my thesis at the college university, I'm sorry,

that I attended.

And they laughed at me.

I wanted to go.

I wanted to use that thesis.

It was a 300-page manuscript.

And I wanted to use that thesis to become a political science professor and a professor

in philosophy for, so my initial dream back then when I was in my early 20s was to become

a professor.

And that's what I wanted to do.

And they laughed at me.

So what I did is I dropped out of the educational system.

I wanted to go straight for a master's by writing my thesis earlier and bypassing all the

correct wizards, which were boring to me.

And they laughed at me and my book didn't really do well.

You know, I think I only sold like 3,600 copies.

Fast forward 10 years later, or I'm sorry, five years later, at the age of 26, 27, I started

getting transmissions from a galactic entity.

And back then, I didn't even know it was me operating from the eighth dimension.

I didn't even know I was a liar in my friend.

I was only 27.

I was just getting all these transmissions.

I was getting all these downloads as many people would call them.

And then that's when I started connecting with what later became known as my Lerin counterpart.

Well, a little did I know that I was operating on an avatar in the eighth dimension that

was connecting with me in the three dimension.

And I was able to gather information on galactic history, how the bloodline war between,

it is a bloodline war, by the way, between the Illuminati and the Alliance could actually

be traceable back to Lyra and including, of course, other planets within our universe.

And so I started getting transmissions about the galactic history.

And I said to myself, well, if I write a book about the galactic history, I am going to

go against fundamental religious doctrine.

I'm going to go against evolutionary Darwinian or Darwinian evolution.

And people are going to think I'm a quack.

They're going to call me science fiction.

So what I did is I listened to my intuition.

I kept writing the book, even though a part of me was afraid, because of the cognitive

dissonance that society was under, it took me about 10 years to finalize that book.

And the reason being is because I only wrote when I was receiving transmissions.

There were a few moments in that period where I wasn't getting transmissions and I was

too busy working on being a father where I just would put the manuscript down.

And then finally, around the year 2015, 2016, that's when the manuscript was finished.

I was able to explain the entire cosmic connection to the galactic wars.

And by the way, I am also a cosmic historian.

I am able to explain history going back to 900 billion years ago during the first creation

and how it all ended up, how it all leads to now.

So what ended up happening was they told me, okay, if you publish this book now, back

in 2016, you realize, we're going to think you're a science.

This is more science fiction oriented.

People are not ready to see this as a fact.

They told me, wait for another few years when the collective is ready.

So I put the manuscript aside, our cosmic origin.

And I waited about five years.

And that's when I all of a sudden received a phone call from an old friend of mine who

I hadn't spoke to in about 10 years.

And he said, Ishmael, I have some money that I want to invest, but I'm looking for people

with talent.

Do you have anything that you want to do?

You know, something's gearing, something is compelling me to reach out to you.

So for a minute there, I thought that this whole thing was orchestrated by something beyond

both of us, because he even felt something propelled me to look for your phone and give

you a call and ask you.

So at that point, I felt that he was being imprinted by or at least influenced by the galactics.

And I said, you know what, I have this manuscript, took me 10 years to write it.

I finally finalized it and it's been sitting in my drawer or it's been sitting in my computer.

I'm sorry.

I did type it.

It's been sitting in my laptop for five years.

And he said, I would love to read what you wrote.

And so I sent him a copy of the manuscript.

Well, within three days, he couldn't even sleep for three nights.

He says he just read the whole thing.

He goes, Ishmael, how did you get all this information?

And so I told him, you know, I've been receiving transmissions from what appears to be a future

version of me that is operating from the eighth dimensional level of reality, who is a Lyron.

And he goes by the name of Amelius.

And he goes, Oh, okay.

And you know, and this is a kind of guy who is open-minded, you know, he's been into conspiracy

theories for quite some time pretty much since he was like 18 years old and at that point

he was like in his 30s.

So he believed a lot of the information within that book.

And he said, this is mind-blowing information.

You realize that you're totally introducing a whole new concept of our origin that is

going to go against the entire establishment.

So A, you could either be either this is going to make you really big in the world one day

or B, they're going to throw the books at you and put you in a asylum facility labeling

you crazy.

So he goes, only, you know, this could only go in two directions.

He goes, do you, are you sure you want to publish this?

And I'm like, Hey, you know what?

There's a reason why I was receiving all of these transmissions, so let's do it.

And so it took us about a year to publish it, of course, we went through the editing,

we submitted the manuscript, and we did a Thramas on, of course.

And finally, the book came out back in 2000, late 2021.

And back then I was just on Instagram.

I had no platforms.

I think I only had about 10,000 followers on Instagram and by the way, it was very hard

for me to even do social media.

Let me just tell you guys, my friend had to twist my elbow.

It took him three months to get on social media.

I used to think social media was for normies and I used to, I don't want to be a part of

that.

You know, that's how they monitor people.

It's a way of spying on humans.

Why would I want to do that?

Well, I didn't want to be a social media person, you know.

So finally, I decided to do Instagram.

And little did I know, by the way, when I got on Instagram that there was a community

that there were people that were responding to this type of knowledge.

I had no clue that there was a whole community out there.

And so I grew pretty fast on Instagram.

I think I went from like 10,000 followers to like 65,000 within two weeks.

And this is before I even reached out to Nicholas Veniam.

And apparently I was receiving a lot of good feedback on Instagram.

People were like, wow, your knowledge is very amazing, you know, keep sharing more.

I kept going on Instagram.

And then finally, that's when I saw that interview with Jason Shurka.

And when he couldn't answer those questions, I reached out to Nicholas Veniam and then the

rest is history within two months of me doing that.

I went on all these platforms and my book became a bestseller consecutively for like six

months straight.

I couldn't believe it.

Even my buddy called me and said, all right, you know, you did it, you know, your book

is a success.

And to me, that was just like the most gratifying moment in my life.

Because honestly, first of all, I was very scared.

I'm going to just share something.

I'm going to be vulnerable here.

I've always feared public speaking.

I've always been afraid of being on stage, you know, it takes a lot of me to present.

You know, it's like, I almost have to just let go of who Ishma Perez is and tap into

my higher self and let that flow out of me.

Because if it's Ishma Perez up on stage, you know what I mean, like, I've always felt

that way.

So it was hard for me to even be on stage.

So I've always struggled back in 2001, 2002 when you first started speaking.

So that was like probably the highest point of you having that kind of anxiety, right?

Oh, I've had anxiety my whole life and I still do, you know, I would I do like to do

before I go on stage or before I go live or do a presentation.

I take a few deep breaths and I just I allow my higher self to take over.

I said, you know what Ishma Perez cannot do it.

But if you let my higher self come through, then it just flows.

You know, that's how I do it.

But yeah, it took me a long time to even be on stage or even present or speak.

Like I said, my friend really had to persuade me into, he didn't force me.

But it got to the point where he said, if you want your book to be a success,

you have to have a social media platform and build a following.

Otherwise, it's not going to do anything.

And I finally said, all right, I'll start with Instagram.

And honestly, you know, to be honest with you, Neil, I never thought that this was going

to go this big.

And now it's like, I am so grateful that I've I get a lot of emails.

You know, I have a public email, what is it called?

A public email and a public mailing list.

And I get letters every day, people from all over the world thanking me for my work.

And to me, that is more rewarding than being a bestseller than being, you know, known

in the community.

I could care less about that.

My goal is to remind the starseats of our mission.

And that is to not only raise the vibrational frequency on the planet so that we could fully

preserve the positive ascending timeline, but also remember who we are as multi-dimensional

beings.

And that's what I teach.

I'm an online instructor.

So my first stream of being a professor did come true, but it's not in a public setting

where I go to a university and I teach quantum physics, philosophy, cosmology, political

science, whatever.

I get to teach it online and my students are just mind blown, you know, a lot of my students

take the classes over and over and over because they can't get enough of this knowledge.

So it's very rewarding that I am actually positively affecting the collective.

So that's the reason why, when I did come on the scene, you know, I do read comments

and I be listened to what people have to say and that's the reason why when I had a few

people saying, well, he's a CIA plant, he's AI, you know, he's not even human.

I just kind of dismissed it, you know, you're always going to have haters.

And you know, it's funny is that because I'm also connected to some of the galactics

work within the United Federation of Worlds and the Galacticalites.

They told me five years ago, Ishmael, when your book gets published, it's going to take

about four months.

They already knew the future before me.

They said, you're going to blow up, but we have to warn you, you are going to have some

haters.

There are going to be a few people out there that are going to try to destroy your reputation

or snare you as something that you're not.

You have to stay strong and I said, you know what, let's do it.

I don't care.

It's just information to be out on a greater level.

So let's do it, you know, despite the fact that I knew from the beginning that I was going

to have haters and that I was going to be like you said, probably the most controversial

person in this community.

So I was ready for all of that, Neil.

I was ready.

I have to say something here that's really interesting.

First of all, your vulnerability for the first time, I feel like I, and I, you know,

we've known each other, I love working with you, but I feel connected to you.

But you said today, really opened up a window for me, I don't know about Neil, to really

connect with you and probably our listeners.

But you actually remind me of Neil.

And that's why I have this big grin on my face because as you're talking, I realize

Neil is so passionate about getting to the truth and researching his whole portal to

ascension is based on him researching everything that he has wanted to know from every lifetime.

Basically, and that's what he packages in portal to ascension because he has the same

thirst for, for knowing that I really appreciate you doing.

And I wanted to have this conversation as well with you to get to know you personally,

because that's what really matters, I feel, when it comes to all the claims out there,

the only way you're really going to know somebody is by getting to know who they are as

a person, right?

Not just information that is coming out.

So I want to get into like bloodline wars because that was like a trigger word.

I want to talk about that, Lyra, Galactic Federation.

But just want to speak about one more thing before that.

You know, a lot of one other claim that was I heard around was that a lot of your information

contradicts other people's information, right?

Not all of it.

But you know, to be honest, I haven't really researched and watched a lot of your videos.

Deborah Juxty, who's a great friend of yours, she told me to do a bunch of, watch a bunch

of videos before I did this interview, but it deliberately didn't.

So I could like just start from scratch, you know?

But I'm curious, what are your thoughts on the information out there and compared to yours?

Do you think that a lot of your information does contradict other people and are there

certain claims that are going around in the communities that you feel are inherently incorrect

or disinfo?

To me, I actually understand what you're saying and yeah, I am aware that some of the

briefings that I get from the Jupiter Commander, Commander Valley and Thor contradicts some

of the stuff that is being circulated by other star seats.

But the way I see it is, there are multiple earth realities.

Everything's about perspective.

I'm not necessarily saying that their information is wrong or right.

And in like manner, you know, I always encourage my viewers to do their own research.

I always tell them, take what resonates and discard what doesn't.

But not only with me, and I do call them my galactic jetties, I love my community.

But with every other truth or every other galactic emissary, whatever you want to call them,

that you guys are viewing or listening to, take what resonates and discard what doesn't.

Now regarding the controversy of the different chandled information, well, first of all, I

don't channel what I do is I get intuitive transmissions.

The reason I don't channel is because it's quite dangerous, you know, unless you perfect

channeling, there could be a trickster that is posing to be a galactic commander that

is really a gray or a reptilian posing as a commander, giving you the information.

And that's the reason why I don't channel.

I connect intuitively through telepathy with the galactic commanders.

And this is one of the techniques that I also teach my students.

I always remind my students, I am nobody special, guys.

What I could do, you guys could do as well, you just have to learn and remember who you

are and learn the techniques.

So that's one of the things that I teach in my ascension courses is I teach my students

how to become multi-dimensional so that they can also access transmissions from their galactic

counterparts.

All right, to answer your question, I know sometimes I go on a rant, but this is a thing.

We shouldn't take anything as absolute, anything, whether it's coming from Elizabeth April,

Billy Carson or myself.

I mentioned them because they are huge in this community.

And I respect both their works, by the way, I've had an opportunity to be on a panel

with Elizabeth April when she's awesome.

You have to understand that when information is being transmitted from higher realities

into the 3D, it goes through filters.

So first of all, we don't really get the entire content or the entire context, I guess

that's the word, of the entire download.

We're only getting bits.

It is our duty as galactic adversaries, and I speak for myself to actually learn how

to translate those messages into proper verbatim in order to convey it to the star seeds

or to the viewers.

So I always tell people to just take what resonates because not everyone has the absolute truth.

Even I don't have the absolute truth.

I am as much as an instrument as Billy Carson is, Elizabeth April, yourself, Jonah

Vangel's, we are all in this together, okay?

So we're just instruments.

Nobody has the absolute truth.

So that's the way I'm going to answer that.

Okay.

Thank you for sharing that.

All right.

Let's get a little deeper now.

I feel let's start here.

Does, you know, the whole transmission thing you say, you get the transmission you decide

for it.

Is there something within the veil of humanity?

You know, you've heard about the veil, the amnesiatic belts as well.

When you come through the womb, you have amnesia.

Is there something in a law that's set in place that we're not able to get full downloads

of every single thing, but because of the way our human makeup is that we need to actually

translate it into our own, in our own perspective, use our human in order to translate it rather

than get the actual download fully from an ETP.

That is correct.

Yes.

I forgetfulness, even us, the older souls, the starseys that were part of this envoy program

that volunteered to come, it is very hard to get the full, clear truth on things.

So what we do is we do our best to just, you know, receive the information.

And as mentioned, you know, try to interpret it in its most, in its most concise manner

as much as possible in order to give the transmission to others.

But due to this veil of forgetfulness, due to this idea that we were completely disconnected

and I do believe that the Anunnaki had a lot to do with unplugging us as multi-dimensional

beings.

But again, that could be a subject for another topic.

The whole point is this, due to that fact, it is very hard for even us, the starseys,

to receive information and it's one, I guess the best way to describe it is 100% accuracy,

if that makes any sense.

So that's when we have to really do our best to translate it or at least to explain it

in a language that other people understand.

Until our telepathy comes back on, my friend, don't take everything as absolute, take everything

with the grain of salt.

That's all I want to say.

Let me just follow up on that drum and then go ahead.

Is that a part of the game?

It's not like, oh, we're not able to receive it because we're first to have Amnesia

on a veil.

Is it a part of the game where they're like, okay, let me give you one card in the deck

and you figure the rest out because you're here to have free will and experience.

That could also be a fact, yes, that could also be a factor.

Yeah.

So I kind of think that we're all given maybe different pieces of a puzzle because we're

trying to solve this puzzle.

We're all given different pieces, thus we have different interpretations.

But there are different aspects of each of the things you guys are talking about and

little nuances.

And I think that's what makes the complete picture.

That is correct.

That's another way of interpreting all of this.

Not everyone's getting the whole pie.

We're only getting pieces of the pie.

And I speak for all the galactic emissaries out there, including myself.

Right.

Can we now go into, yeah, John, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

I was going to say, let's jump into reptilians, okay?

Since you have 900 billion BC, 900 billion years, I believe you said, of galactic history.

Can you speak about cosmic history?

Let's, can you speak about the original races in our galaxy before humans, were there

reptilians before us?

And the polarity, because obviously reptilians get a bad rap a lot because they've inflicted

a lot of pain and trauma.

Are they good reptilians?

So can you kind of break down the cosmology of the reptilian species?

Absolutely.

The reptilians as a whole actually originated in a prior creation.

We're part of the 12th creation.

They originated in the 11th creation.

So in that regard, yes, they are an ancient race.

However, they weren't always reptilians.

At one point, they were humanoids by petal standing humanoids.

It was when they rebelled against the one by aligning with artificial intelligence and

technocracy that they lost their connection to source.

And as a result of that, they morphed from these beautiful beings into what they are,

what they look like today, which are lizard people.

And in like manner, that's what happened to the grays.

The grays weren't always these little bugity eyes, big head, almond-sized heads with

arms and skinny looking things.

They were also one's human.

A lot of these races that we see in our universe transfer themselves from a prior universe.

See, there are multiple universes.

Our universe is one of many.

So humanity also has a common ancestry, you know, humanity's not the, it's humanity

does not only exist here on this planet.

And humanity did not originate in Lyra.

However, in our universe, right, they did originate in Lyra, but they were carrying a tradition,

a common ancestral imprint that carried on from other creations.

So according to the cosmic records, humans exist throughout all the universe, not just

in our galaxy or in our universe.

They come from multiple universes.

Now what makes us unique in our universe is that due to this cosmic experiment, and a

lot of this has to do with the war against inorganic timelines, synthetic time loops, which

are implemented by artificial negative artificial intelligence, not positive, there are two types

of AIs.

We are the end result.

We are the culmination.

We are the amalgamation of all of the humans from different universe that deposited their

DNA into this universe, which gave us the original 12 houses of Lyra.

So even our ancestors, the Lyrants were part of this experiments.

And now we are the end result of that experiment, where the culmination of that experience.

So in that regard, yes, we are the masterpiece of all creation.

We are the culmination of all the different celestial humanoids put into one genome.

That I feel so.

On Earth, in general, or throughout a galaxy, or Earth, that place, or Earth, yeah, it was

interesting.

No, even our galaxy is inhabited by different advanced types of humans.

Okay.

It's interesting you said 12 houses of Lyra.

Let's think about that for a second, but I just want to do a side note on that.

Are you familiar with the show, Battlestar Galactica?

You know, it's funny that you mentioned that.

I just started watching that last week, and I've only seen two episodes.

Okay.

I won't give away the end.

Okay.

But I'll say one thing because you can find this online, all right?

No, I won't say it because I'm going to spoil it for you.

But anyway, I'll say this part though, the whole thing is the story of Lyra made through

a Hollywood lens because they're basically looking for a planet and they eventually end

up on Earth.

And there's also 12 planets within that solar system.

And then the AI, the negative AI, takes over and then they end up coming here.

But it's just interesting to me because I've always felt there's a lot of connections

to that show.

And even the beginning, the intro music is the Gayatri Mantra.

The Gayatri Mantra is the first mantra ever created that's the mantra of how we came

from another part of the galaxy to Earth that even used that theme song there, right?

So it's just interesting to say 12 houses because that makes, connects the dots there.

So maybe you could speak a little more on what you mean by 12 houses.

Are those like families, races, planets?

What are they?

Well, each house within the conception of the original, original, Lyra family, each house

represents one of 12 creations.

And that explains why we were inherited or created with 12 strand DNA.

See, our original creation was a 12 strand DNA humanoid capable of operating on multiple

dimensions.

And that explains why we had to evolve an increment because if we were to just use

our full power from the beginning without any experience, we would use it irresponsibly.

So the, you know, the higher ups knew, right?

The end, what we call the, the pitols or the, the eternal race, they already knew that,

okay?

So the 12 houses are Lyra, each house represents one of the 12 major creations.

So we're part of the 12 creation.

And that explains why when the human experiment first came into conception in our universe,

it was through the 12 houses that each house represented one of the, one of prior major

creations.

And so the 12 houses of Lyra, each one carries the key, each one carries a code.

And when you combine all 12 codes into one, that is ultimate power.

And that is what we have.

We have a living organic technology.

This is why I don't believe in transhumanism.

And I speak vehemently against transhumanism and, of course, the billionaires don't care

and see me value.

They're already transhumanists.

I speak against transhumanism the way I do and against the negative AI timeline.

Because I have, I know what has happened in other worlds and other galaxies and universes.

Let me tell you, it's not fun.

So the whole point is this is that we here on the earth are the end result of those 12

lineages, each with the code and a signature put into one race.

And that explains why we are considered galactic royalty because we carry the potential of

all those human races that have come before us, even traceable to other universes.

And that explains why we're only using 4% of our full genetic material because in the

event that we access our 100% capacity, my friend, we would be the most powerful beings

in the multiverse.

And that's what the negative AI, that is their, their greatest, you could say, threats

and their greatest fears when we use our full capacity.

Wow.

John, did you want to jump in?

I think you're going.

You're muted though.

I'm mute.

See, our universe is the melting pot.

There.

Multiverse.

You know, our universe, okay, put it this way, our cosmos is so vast that not only does

every planet, every constellation, every system within, within constellations, every

galaxy in the universe has to be registered and numbered.

Everything is well organized.

And I think I broke down the organization of cosmos two years ago when I was invited

to your conference in San Diego.

All right.

So go ahead, John.

So it seems to me on one hand that, okay, so we're an advanced, we're advanced humanity

at this point, but we are under attack by the AI, but by AI and hasn't ended up very

well for some of these other races.

So how do we protect ourselves?

Very good question.

And this is one of the things that I also remind my students are greatest defense and

AI against negative AI, our con entities who, by the way, are the pre-existing consciousness

that operates through the solace machine.

Our greatest ally and strength is the elements, the earth, the more nature.

When we spend time with nature, putting away our cell phones, staying away from technology,

or day, at least a day, your power amplifies, because nature is connected to all living

things.

You know, the way I was shown how everything is interconnected in the cosmos is that everything

is a living spheres.

We are living spheres, Mercavis.

We connect to the living sphere of the planet in a symbiotic way, just like the avatar

movie.

And in like matter, when we do connect to the naturalism in the field of the planet in

a symbiotic way, we automatically plug into our solar system, our solar system is alive.

And then we automatically plug into our galaxy, who is alive, goes by the name of Melchior.

And then we plug in into our universe, which is the culmination of the multiverse.

When we do that, our defenses, our power, our frequency rises to a level that no way

I, no dark entity, no reptilian, not all reptilians, as Neil mentioned, there are some reptilians

that defect it from the shadow covenant.

That is what they serve, by the way, they don't have influence or power over us.

By keeping our vibration high through nature, through the elements, by developing a symbiotic

relationship with all living things, we are, we have the full power of the cosmos behind

us.

As they call it in Star Wars.

And that's just my belief.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

You resonate with that.

You know, back to Laira, it's very interesting what you're saying, because as you're speaking,

some dots are connecting.

And I've heard a lot of stories about a founder race being in the black hole in the center

of the galaxy incarnating into Laira, Laira begins.

And you know, just I know you speak about the flood and Noah as well.

And even in the Bible, a lot of people think that the beginning of the Bible where it says

Tohu-Vohu, that's the beginning of everything.

Because it says it means in ancient Hebrew, void and desolate.

But if you look back at the original text, it means void and desolate it, meaning that

there was something before.

Whereas when it's mis-translated as the beginning.

So I feel maybe that on some level, that's what's happening with the understanding of the

human template.

A lot of people feel that the human template literally began in Laira, but it makes sense.

It was a template that existed somewhere else.

And then, and then there's two questions here.

So and then did it originate from the black hole in the center of our galaxy as a portal

to come into our universe?

And then you also said, 12 houses and the 11th house was the one that eventually became

reptilian.

So it was the Laira and the 11th house, a human template that kind of got distorted

in some way and became reptilian.

Not necessarily.

The reptilians were once an advanced humanoid race within the 11th creation.

They existed in a universe that, according to cosmic records, is now known as the old

empire.

And this is where all evil came from.

That universe was hijacked by what Theos if he calls the Aremon, the Arimonic Principle,

which is the King of the Archons, the Esaurus, which is what we call the Archon entities.

So and also to understand is that that universe had an overseer who later was known as Lucifer.

So Lucifer was once a son of light.

He was one of 12 archetypes, brother of Michael and Jesus, Sandefel Gabriel, you name it.

Each one had their own creation that they oversaw.

Lucifer, back then was known as Samana, who was in charge of the 11th creation.

Well, because he was hijacked, he convinced other creator gods within other universes to join

him in their quest of ascending through the technocratic by integrating with technocracy

in other words, overriding the organic ascension, which to them was much faster and much easier,

in other words.

And so they created what became known as the Shadow Covenant.

So the Shadow Covenant originated about 400 billion years ago.

And that was the origin point of all the cosmic and galactic wars because a lot of these

creator gods joined the inorganic synthetic timeline.

And so what ended up happening was all of his followers that joined him, which were different

celestial councils, the Bible calls them Seraphine, they all became morphed into what we

call today the reptilian prototype.

See, the reptilian prototype didn't exist until the establishment of the Shadow Covenant

400 billion years ago.

The Shadow Covenant is what seduced many creator gods and celestial to join the inorganic

time loop and serve their AI overlord, which later became what whistleblowers call today

the AI God.

Now, he also has a name in terms of galactic records, they call them omega metatron, which

is a fallen aspect of metatron.

So you have your good metatron and then you have your fallen metatron, which inverts everything

interesting, which is why some people inherently dislike and hate metatron.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Is the inversion of it.

So the reptilians came into existence, or they morphed, they went from looking beautiful

celestial humans into these gross, lizard eyes, scaly skin looking standing up crocodiles

as like some people call them.

And so that's how the reptilians came into existence.

Now, throughout galactic history, there has been a few reptilians that rebelled against

the Shadow Covenant and decided to be part of the Galactic Federation.

But those are only a few.

And then to answer your question, one of the biggest misconceptions that science is pushing

on the general public is the idea that there is a black hole at the center of every galaxy

on the contrary.

The reason it appears to be black is because it's energy vibrating at higher frequencies

that it cannot be detectable by our naked eye or scientific instrument.

It looks like a black funnel.

Well, in essence, according to the galactic records, there is a galactic core sun that

is like a funnel that is actually generating universal life force sustaining the billions

of galaxies.

So in terms of science, it is a centrifugal force energy going outward that is sustaining

the billions of solar systems.

So in essence, it is a white hole.

It's not dark.

It just appears to be dark because we are tuning into it from a third dimensional perspective.

You have to understand that within the eleventh dimensional structure of the Milky Way,

that white hole exists in the ninth dimension and above.

So anything beyond the fifth dimension is invincible.

Anything beyond the ninth dimension appears to be empty space.

And this is another reason why they labeled the 96% of the so-called missing universe,

dark matter and dark energy.

When, in essence, it's full of life forms that are operating on levels of reality beyond

what is observed.

That makes sense.

Right.

Oh, yes.

They did come in through the intergalactic portal, which is operating at the center of our galaxy.

That's very interesting because their science has seen that the center of our galaxy millions

of years ago actually started outpouring energy and matter started outpouring from the center.

So we actually have evidence that it's pushed energy out, but we don't really have evidence

that it sucked anything in.

Yeah, exactly.

And that conflicts what a black hole is.

A black hole sucks things into its invention.

And if they see its dormant, it's been dormant through recorded history, but technically it's

not a black hole.

If it's dormant, because it's not pulling anything in.

It's not.

It's not pushing.

Yeah.

It is pushing energy out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

So I'm curious about dragons.

Do you, what's your take of dragons?

Do they exist?

Absolutely.

Are you making it to resilience?

No.

No, not at all.

According to cosmic history, the original dragons were benevolent.

There were custodians of ancient records, of certain stargates, certain rounds in some

regard.

Some of these original dragons operate from a pre-material plasmic reality that protects

the entry points of eternity.

So you have eternity, which is what I guess science would consider base reality, right?

Everything else is a hologram, a simulation of.

So in that regard, yes, the original dragons were good and they are good.

And there is ample evidence that the dragons did coexist with humans in multiple occasions

and ancient times, not only Atlantian, Lemorian, and even if you want to go back further to

even millions of years ago, some of the original guardians of the original human experiment

before we were hijacked by the Anunnaki and then prior to that, the Saturnian council,

the dragons were our guardians.

And that explains why some people are actually reconnecting with their dragon because it

turns out that as advanced souls, as star seeds, we have a guardian dragon that protects

us as well.

And a lot of people are reconnecting with their dragon because what's happening is as

the veil begins to thin, the realms between our reality and their reality are merging once

again.

And there is a viral video that is circulating about this white dragon that was captured

in China.

I don't know if he saw that.

So he'd go around from there.

No, I haven't.

So that's me.

The dragon with wings.

Yeah.

And so to answer your question, yeah.

The dragons are different than the reptilians.

In fact, I think the reptilians are known as the red dragon.

You have multiple different specimens of dragons that are operating in higher realities that

were tasked with guardianship, custodianship protection.

And believe it or not, every single star seed out there that is incarnated in human form

has a dragon assigned to them.

We just have to learn how to connect with it so we can work with it.

Right.

Right.

Wow.

That's just so powerful.

Like every human has an angel assigned to them.

Every human has a dragon.

Who else do we have assigned and how do they work in harmony?

Very good question.

It turns out that we have a team of beings that are constantly with us.

Every single human is born with either three or twelve or fifteen spirit guides.

And often these spirit guides are not just different versions of you or ancestors.

Often times they are dragons.

They are animals.

Believe it or not.

I work with the lions.

Of the dolphins, you know, everyone has different spirit guides.

So yeah, we all have a collective of helpers, of invincible helpers that are here to assist

us, every single person.

And how do we connect through meditation, through prayer, through spiritual works.

That's how we connect with our dragon, with our animal helper and our spirit team.

I love it.

You know, I had a regression done and I have memories that came back on my life as dragon.

And I saw myself as a little white, little girl baby, right?

Many lifetimes ago.

And I was playing with a paper dragon.

And then I would have this dragon rotating around me.

And I saw three years of my life from birth up until age three, where the dragon was my

imaginary friend.

And but it was real.

It was quite real.

But it was like, I was communicating, interacting.

And then when I turned three, the dragon went into my heart and curled up into my heart

and just stayed with me.

And then I started making connections with other people that had dragon connections.

This is two months before the year of the dragon began.

I never even thought of dragons before that.

And then all these people started telling me the same thing that, oh yeah, a lot of star

seeds have dragons that come down here with them.

And on some level, we're activating our dragon parts, you know, things that have been

dormant.

And that energy is assisting us with that, right?

And it's funny that you said that there were actribathing our dragon parts.

All right, one of the things that I've came to uncover is that our spirit helpers, whether

they come in ancestral forms or in animal forms or dragon form, they're actually extension

of us.

You know, as multi-dimensional beings, not only do we have different humanoid celestial

avatars, you know, some of us are plateans in the fifth, I mentioned, while at the same

time being Arcturian in the seventh, while at the same time being Andromeda in the ninth,

okay?

But we also have extensions of ourselves that exist as dragons.

I also have a dragon counterpart that exists as elementals because we've been at all.

We've been everything, my friend.

You know, we've already done all of this.

We've already completed the different levels of initiation.

In fact, if you're a starsky author out there, what that means is that you are a returned

ascended beings, and you only came to help Mother Earth once again.

And that explains why you could never fit in.

That explains why you have this amazing internal wisdom and knowledge that the Earth Terran

doesn't possess.

That explains why you see through the BS, right?

When they rolled out the, you know, the, the doubles injection, you know, you were like,

Hey, there's something wrong with that because you have that inner knowing, which is what

they call noses.

Every single star seed out there has a degree of noses because of the fact that I've done

this before.

We've already completed the different levels of reality, you know, and we just returned.

That's all we get.

It's interesting.

Yeah, it's not as easy to manipulate awakened people, right?

And because there's like, we're questioning everything, right, especially this reality.

So I think in closing, I'd love to like close out with this question, but I'd love to

have you back because I want to speak to you about simulation.

I want to get deep with the AI, okay, simulations and my favorite thing to talk about.

But AI have only heard you speak about the negative aspects of it, but you spoke of today

and you said that there's positive AI.

So we'll shelf that one for another conversation, but I'd love to close this out with what is

darkness?

What is the other?

Is there an other?

Is there an evil?

Or is it all wounded parts of creation that are trying to find themselves to source?

How do we reconcile with darkness?

It's all of the above, my friend.

It is the opposite of life and light.

It is the anti-life equation.

It is the fragments of prime creator source itself that need to be healed.

And that's what the AI God is.

See, the AI God who originally was is the consciousness and still continues to be the

consciousness of the of the of the inorganic timeline, okay, or what we call the the king

of the asaurus.

He was once a fragment creator source.

When creator source decided to explore more of itself, a chunk of it broke off and it

went into outer darkness and over time it became corrupted.

Now we could end this with that and then of course continue at a later time.

But yeah, it's all of the above, my friend.

That's all of you.

That was a good cliffhanger.

This has been a great hour, a great conversation between both of you and me too, but very revealing

I think extremely exciting.

Definitely.

And Ismail, thank you so much for coming here brother.

Thank you for speaking with us today.

Love for you just before we close out.

Anything else you want to share, any closing message and also working people connect with

you and find out what you have coming up.

Thank you.

My overall message is to stay grounded, stay authentic, don't ever give your power away

to external people.

You know, we're all in this together.

Every single one of you is got source or a fractal of got source.

You just have to embody and realize it.

And people could find me through our cosmic origin.com, which is my website.

And also my YouTube channel is the real Ismail Perez.

Now I call myself the real Ismail Perez because I have a lot of a lot of pirates and channels

that's still my content.

They put my picture and they, and they call themselves like Ismail prophetic, Ismail official

and it's just too many.

So make sure you go to the real Ismail Perez otherwise you're going to be supporting

somebody who's trying to be me.

And then also as a reminder, I will be presenting at the conscious live ex-bone ex-month on

the 21st, which is on a Saturday, I will be giving a detailed explanation of what it is

to become superhuman in the rabbit hole room at approximately four o'clock Pacific time

of the earth time.

What a clarifying.

Thank you.

You need to know that.

Thank you, brother.

So we're going to be there at conscious live as well, Joan and I, so we'll connect.

We're on the ascension panel together too, so I was looking at that.

Oh, yeah.

That's going to be great.

And looking forward to connecting again soon.

Absolutely.

Bye guys.

It's just you.

Two.

All right.

And there we have it, everybody.

Joe, go for it.

That was pretty powerful.

That was a pretty powerful interview.

I think, I think we really dive deep, have a deeper understanding of Ishmael, where he comes

from.

Yeah, 100%.

And you know, there was so much similar to Laura Eisenhower, who I love interviewing.

When, when he shares one sentence, or even she does, there's so many different things.

That's just one word that will take a whole entire one hour just to speak about what that specific thing is.

You know, so I'm excited to go deeper with Ishmael next time and definitely talk about more,

more in this and having back on portal to ascension.

So thank you, John, for being here with me.

Good decision.

Good decision.

I agree.

I can.

Yeah.

And it's always great to host with you.

So thank you to Ishmael.

Thank you for all of you tuning in.

I'm going to close out with a new living expo, which is our expo in the bigger, your big area video.

So hope to see some of you guys there.

And we'll catch you next time.

Take care, everybody.

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