Discussing 'Generation 68: The Elite Revolution and Its Legacy' w/ Adam from Myth20c and Lance Legion

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pecaniano Show of the two gentlemen here from Methods 20th Century.

How are you doing, Adam?

I'm doing great, and Lance is a recurring guest, but he has his own show.

So I just want to make sure that Lance gets an opportunity to mention that.

But I'm thankful that you had us both on.

Thank you.

Hey, how you doing, Lance?

I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. I'm a big fan, by the way.

So thank you for having me on.

Thank you. What show do you do on your own?

So I do Lance's Legion, and I do a bunch of military kind of ask related things, also political kind of analyses and stuff like that.

But it's more theory and just interesting military stuff, but I've been on a anti-communist fence from the Cold War era.

And so this becomes salient to me.

I'm very excited to be talking about the Revolution of 68 with you guys.

Oh, man, if you're your anti-communist stuff, I would love to hear what you think of Thomas' take on the Cold War.

Yeah, I know.

I know, I know.

You did well, like 10 parts on that, but I can't keep up.

Yeah, it's funny.

We spoke when Henry Kissinger passed away.

It was actually very interesting.

He had a very lovely, interesting things to say.

Oh, you spoke to him?

Yeah, yeah.

While I go on the X spaces that there is.

But yeah, absolutely.

I don't want to take away from what's going on right here, but let's get into it.

Sure.

So the, I guess the reason we're getting together is that Carrie Bolton released a book called Through Antelope Hill Press, Generation 68, The Elite Revolution and its legacy.

I can start with Adam.

And you guys can go back and forth.

I don't do what you do.

What, what's the interest in Generation 68?

What, you know, the 60s, what's the big deal?

Aside from the media always portraying it as like the best era ever.

I'm not even sure if it.

Pales in comparison to World War II.

I mean, the amount of media that would stock and the heat ashberry and the hell's angels, all that stuff.

It's so glamorized and my parents actually grew up in that sort of time and knows some of it from a personal level, not from taking it, but just having been caught up in it.

And they can tell me at least that.

That I was played up a lot.

Now, a lot of it was obviously true, but it was definitely glamorized.

And I think as a cultural point, just.

Taken on its face.

It's you can't get away from it.

Now, it has deeper implications as well.

And those are more complicated.

And I think the book does a good job tying it to some of the elite powers that were actually either co-opting it, funding it directly, trying to steer it or trying to deflect it away from them.

Because it was very much sort of a cultural revolution in the West in a time when communism seemed to be in the East on the rise.

And I think it was a very close to home experience for a lot of people.

And in the implications are still the waves are still being felt today in our generations.

And a lot of the people in political power also grew up in that generation.

I think a lot of that.

That mindset is still stuck in their heads.

And you can call it the boomers or whatever, but you know, these people we just cannot get away from them.

The boom set.

No, absolutely.

And I think the follow on interesting part is of course, as time progresses, and we live in this kind of meta organism of culture.

We tend to misunderstand history that is extremely proximate to us.

And the Cold War is really not something that's really over.

We're feeling the secondary and tertiary effects of the social subversion policies and general subversion, Soviet subversion of the United States.

And a lot of it comes to fruition during this time.

Obviously, this is something that most Americans are unaware about because most of the mythos and interests, it predates the revolution of 65 and 68.

Right.

It focuses specifically on the paradigm of the Second World War.

However, so much has changed since then that really the most salient aspects to be recognizing and analyzing is precisely this moment in history, this crux, this time paradigm shift, which is why I was so interested on it.

Yeah.

And so I butted myself in on this conversation because it's absolutely necessary to be kind of reviewing and passing as time goes forward.

One of the things he he starts talking out about is the idea of the inclusive economy, which was heavily promoted by the Rockefeller Foundation.

When I look at that, I see obviously a planned economy, but I also see the civil rights here, the Civil Rights Act and a plan to basically shape an economy around everyone, everyone's needs.

And not to, you know, not to embrace my, my Austrian economics background, you know, that I question strongly.

I loved your episode with my actually on on list that was that was wonderful.

Thank you.

That was very out of fine because I really need to read that book.

I've studied it.

I've read everything about list except reading list at this point.

And when when I look at this in economy, like they were trying to create.

It just it seems like it's a ref, it's just a straight reflection of the kind of society that they wanted to create and the kind of society they wanted to create was bound to.

And we saw it just became one of tension.

You know, I read race war in high school by Saltman on on my show, the whole book.

And we saw what integrating the schools did.

And basically now you're looking to integrate the economy in just about the same way and to me that just seems like an ultimate disaster.

Yeah, there's a there's a movie out there by one of these documentary guys on the dissident right.

And it was by the title communism by the back door.

And I haven't watched it in a while, but it's quite good.

And I really think that it sort of encapsulates what's going on here.

And it's easy to sort of label things.

Maybe communism isn't the best descriptor.

But I think it's good enough.

And if I actually to compliment you, Pete, I listened to one of your shows that you did with Yuri Maltzif.

And if anybody hasn't heard him off, you really were, you really were digging deep, weren't you?

Well, it was fantastic because he grew up in the Soviet Union.

And he clarified what marks defined communism as correctly.

But colloquially when we call communism communism, we're actually talking about socialism.

But communism was a government free society that everybody was was an angel.

And they did everything they're supposed to do.

And you would go and get what you need and produce for other people without them asking.

It's a fantasy, but it grabs hold of people who are probably missing out in their own society.

And they want something and they want the government or they want the ideology to provide for them.

And I think that's really encapsulating what what was going on in the 60s was there were these opposition forces outside of the west that had alternative systems.

And the powers that be in the west were like, OK, we don't want to lose power.

And we don't want to necessarily hand it over to the Politburo.

But we need like the Rockefellers in particular, and the Fords get mentioned and other people.

But the Rockefellers are recurring throughout this book.

They, I think, and you could say the Rothschilds or anybody like that, they want to sort of keep their power, but do it in a hidden way through the back door so that it's not obvious that they're pulling a lot of the strings.

And David Rockefeller actually ran for, he had, I think, at a presidential campaign and he was the governor of New York.

That's as bad as political as they got, but a lot of their power was through the foundations.

They set up the Museum of Modern Art, which had relationships with the CIA and stuff like that.

And I think it's a very sophisticated model. Actually, it's a diffuse way that actually works only in a sort of quasi-democratic system where people have a sense that they can

select those that represent them. And I've said this over and over on my show, but there was a very good academic research paper by two professors, by the name of Gillens and Paige, and they observed that the correlation between the opinions of the masses, the voters basically.

The Congress does is almost zero. So in effect, your voting doesn't change anything in Congress, but what does change Congress is the donor class. And these are the Rockefeller types.

And so I think this book documents how they go through the civil rights movement, setting up modern art, doing all these other things.

And it's really kind of a secretive back door thing. And is it really communism? I don't know. It's maybe a form of corporatism, but it's basically an elite power system.

And you can look at where Davos is, and it's kind of a global version of that. But, you know, the Rockefeller's fund of the U.N., and they built that whole thing, and they've donated the land.

And you can start to see, once you have that much power and wealth, you start thinking on a grander scale than just your community, obviously, and even your nation.

And so I think it's an interesting evolution of thought that probably can be traced back to the end of the Second World War, and it really got going on the streets in the 60s.

But yeah, the book, the book does a fantastic job. And I really commend you for having Mr. Maltzavon, because I thought he spoke from genuine authority, giving that he lived in the Soviet Union, and he saw the horrors of it, and he saw how many people that system killed, not just in Russia, but in China, everywhere else it was tried.

And he's banging the drum on, as a professor, to his students who don't want to hear it, because they live in a nice society, and they're kind of spoiled, and they're kind of like the kids after World War II, where their parents fought in the war, and they had them, and they didn't really have to struggle, and I don't know what causes this, but it's interesting.

And I think the end of the Cold War maybe reproduced that here, and that like it was another war that was over, and there's another generation that's going through this nonsense, and so, but we'll maybe get to that later as to how it's affecting today.

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Bolton pretty much concludes the chapter, the first chapter, by stating that he, in his opinion, the election of Biden is a resumption of the globalist agenda, along with the new left, which represents groups like Antifa.

They continue to agitate in the streets to make the country ungovernable. I know when we hear the term globalist, we immediately think of Alex Jones, but what's your opinion on either one of you on Bolton's take there?

Do you mind if I take this? Go for it.

My understanding, especially when you delve into the kind of Marxian strata of the United States, especially, is that the origins and the roots of our leftists generally come from Gramsciite Communism, which is a different brand than Marxist Leninism or Maoism.

And primarily focuses on cultural questions as the vehicle for social, societal, economic change downstream.

And for those of you who don't know, Antonio Gramsci is this guy who was an Italian communist who was imprisoned under Mussolini, who stayed in prison for 20 years, wrote this thing called the prison notebooks.

And in them, he basically elucidated that the Marxian paradigm of seizing the material means of production by the worker for a proletariat state ultimately do not harbor, first of all, it's not as an effective vehicle for revolution, nor is it efficacious in the long term.

Why is this because most people as opposed to what we generally believe in the liberal Western society, Anglosphere, we are irrational and to form irrational opinions and condition them into humans is a quite different vehicle than the economic considerations that we have or especially Marx.

And so the new left or what is actually just rather the Gramsciite Trotsky left focuses on locuses of cultural power first and then through that while maintaining of course ties with capitalist power such as the Rockefellers and so on exude their cultural power out into wider society and condition a difference a revolution cultural revolution.

This has been a long thing coming, especially since the terminus of the second world war, but it really took an entire generation from world war to all the way down to the baby boomers and it found such fertile ground precisely because the highest levels of governance as well as education were these, you know, ex communist individuals who had exfiltrated from the so exo via sphere or had closed ties and so on and so forth.

Figures that come to mind that we probably know as friends Fuguyama for instance or a number of other different individuals.

Now, this is important because I think especially when we talk to libertarians specifically we consider the economics to be the nexus of political power where I think they have us hooked is the fact that they're able to change culture and then they can basically tap into the monetary power.

But I think it's important to state that especially in the second chapter of the book where it talks about for instance women's liberation.

This is why this is so important because social questions figure premonently over material questions and material questions come later if you know did you notice that I mean maybe push back on me but that's just my personal view of how things kind of shook out.

Well, I think the what Graham she was able to figure out which is something that actually libertarians don't have an answer for is a Graham sheet could figure out how to radicalize the private.

The whole idea of the whole idea of Marxism was you were going to take over take over the state and you know eventually it would all the way out of I mean there's a lot more in between I can go through London too but the.

Graham she was like well.

Let's radicalize private industry you know let's when you see when you see something like the inclusive economy you and once you grasp that concept then you understand why d i's here you understand why ESG is here you understand why there are trans people you know trans people in every every third or fourth commercial.

How all of this needs to be brought in and this is this is a direct result of Graham she understanding that some part wrote a book for some art wrote why is there no socialism in America and basically because I mean simply people like to own shit and.

That's what he came down to so once once somebody like Graham she figures that out then he's like okay well we got to figure out a way around this and radicalizing figuring out how to radicalize the private you know which is something that then libertarians and civic nationalist have to basically defend that well it's a private company bro they can do what they want.

And they don't realize that the social engineers are at work and you know I was one of the reasons I stopped being a libertarian was I said they libertarianism has no answer for social engineers and neither is neither does republicanism conservatism pretty much anybody except this progressive world view.

Precisely precisely well when i'm here and you both speak i just hear this term cultural Marxism pop up and it's funny i don't even know if the left uses that term i've only heard it right that's why i don't use it yeah i don't know what it means but it just my rough understanding and maybe correct me here is that it's just an attempt at Marxism obviously i think at least by other means and it's not necessarily through.

Getting people to voluntarily join this giant global corp that owns everything and you own nothing although clashwap would like that but you dying apparently but i'll find somebody else though but i think i've heard in america in particular that a lot of these left type people observe that as you just said people like to own stuff and so we need another way to get to Marxism and maybe it's through.

Culture maybe it's the race and i think the race relations are i think a key vector for that the book talks about black panthers nowadays it's black serve such a minority frankly that it's more hispanics and stuff like that but there's just a lot of different groups and using the different groups against each other.

To fracture the sort of remaining wasp elite i guess that supposedly still there it doesn't seem to be there anymore but i think that's been a huge vector now.

Call it you want i don't know but i think there's some truth to that the interesting thing is it's the same dialectic however i mean it's.

I probably saying something that you you boys already know but originally under marks it was you know the bush was the or the proletarian's the bush was the the same dialectic maintains accepted the oppress versus the oppressor and that paradigm can be grafted on to any kind of social conflict where anyone perceived to be the oppressed has the upper hand the first principle the the societal inertia if that makes sense and so.

And secondly i don't mind us actually generating terminology and culture ourselves that's precisely what we need to be start doing is actually being self confident in our own academic terms our own type of language because.

When you start using the frame of your adversary you lose so yes it is good that we use terms such as cultural Marxism and other kinds of terminology that they don't use because it's advantageous to us because it advances our paradigm so i'll just leave it there but you have anything.

Yeah i was going to um i was going to say that the you know when you look at what Gramsci was teaching well Gramsci's writing from jail and even though he well you need a way to get this out there you need a way to communicate this to the masses you need a way for the masses to buy in.

And even though he predates Gramsci in his in his activity i would say that probably i don't know you you can push back on this that probably no one did more to help to push forward at least the spirit of what Gramsci was talking about more than Edward Bernays.

Absolutely.

And that's we want that's we both brings up in the second chapter yeah.

No and and you're precisely right the reason why I bring cramp she's because it it provides us Westerners who are unfamiliar especially if you're not a autistic spoke such as myself researching all this kind of stuff it gives people the the starting block right.

And i'm really great i'm grateful for this book because it really goes into fleshing out and the later acolytes of Gramsci downstream because they are really effectual i mean look at society the world now i mean it's not just the United States is infected every aspect of the West it's infected even Russia for instance or and the PRC as well or the people's Republic of China by the way.

So it's it's incredibly effective and the answer must be found and I guess that's what we're doing here is trying to find it through this book.

Yeah and one of the things he talks about in there in the book is that you know Bernays seeking to advise the CIA on its ideological offensive against the USSR.

And he that he was involved in in that and one of the things that he writes in there is that the new left rather than being a Soviet a Soviet plot more had its origins in the in the cold war.

Which I think anybody who's look at the foundation of where of the trots he is in the United States and crossing over into the conservatism and then just carrying on through the cold war that doesn't come as a surprise to many.

Yeah and I mean to add on to that I think there's a lot of I mean if you read Stalin's work for instance by Sean MacMacon it's he makes a compelling case to talk about the deep socialist integration with the American government in the 20s and 30s and obviously that bear fruit during World War II and our close association with Uncle Joe.

But I don't think the so you noticed that a lot of these individuals that were moles or you know actors for the Soviet Union during the war and a little bit a little bit after their disassociation with the Soviet Union is probably genuine.

I believe what happened was primarily America became a pinko state with its own unique brand of communism and it's basically two communist states two communist ideologies with their own paradigms battling each other out.

Very interesting kind of paradigm to see and I think the you know you hear Yuri Besbinoff everyone talks about him I'm not really so sanguine on him but but he does make the point that a lot of KGB officers felt that if you want to do that.

If the Cold War had permanent another 30 years that they would have won and I really doubt that I think that what would have happened is just that America would have just gotten a lot more crazy you know it just continue to be what it is today.

Going back to the premise that the Soviets and the Americans are not that different I think is kind of interesting and I don't completely agree but I think the book does put forward the notion that after the end of the war both sides wanted to be the rulers of the next step and they kind of wanted the other side to join them.

And because they didn't want to join each other or join the other as the leader they wanted to be the leader there was a huge rift that happened and that that's not really a controversial statement but the notion that America itself was actually kind of a globalist operation.

The UN being in New York etc and wanting the Russians to basically come into that maybe you can call it neoliberalism I'm not really sure what to call it that's more of a post Cold War term that kind of took shape during globalization perhaps but I think that's an interesting way to explore it whether the Soviets would have defeated the United States or the United States would have morphed into what it is now I don't know.

I think my current premise is that what we're going through right now is like the trans right stuff I think it's because we quote unquote won the Cold War we don't have a real enemy to cause us to doubt what we're saying and maybe you know focus on bigger priorities I think we just kind of are screwing around too much but that's just my rough understanding of what's going on.

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He's up Marcus and his description of Marcus synthesizing 40 and psychoanalysis with Marxism to challenge Western culture and morality is probably a good starting point and a probably good overall description of what was being promoted in the 60s in the counter culture.

So I mean I've read Marcus's repressive tolerance on my show before gone over it and yeah he's I mean when you realize that he was Paul Gottfried's thesis advisor.

You realize wow this guy was this guy was in the United States he was working and he was working in you know my parents lifetime your parents lifetime so it's

just watching that when you take into consideration if you've if you've studied Freud at all if you've read Freud at all and once you see exactly what was being promoted in the 60s it's almost impossible not to see how

Freudian psychoanalysis was influencing had an influence over so much of the propaganda and engineering that was putting that was being put out there.

Of course maybe how you mentioned Bernays I mean he was Freud's cousin I think you know I have cousins too we don't all agree doesn't necessarily mean that way you know that that's like the family strategy but it is interesting it's very interesting.

And I don't I don't know as much about this as you do Pete I think but how related is that to the Frankfurt school and the studies of authoritarian personality because that's something I have looked at a little bit more.

Well it is I mean the the Rockefeller Foundation it was the American Jewish Committee that was responsible for the authoritarian personality but I think the American Jewish Committee got that money from the Rockefeller Foundation I mean the Rockefeller Foundation did fund Kinsey's Kinsey's sexology studies I mean he's basically like the American version of I was hurtful.

But yeah it definitely this is this all ties together because at the end of the authoritarian personality it says well how are we going to deal with these fascists these people are just becoming fascists they're they're on the roads of fascism and it was eros.

Yeah and then you look in it's like well what books did the Rockefeller Foundation put out and fund eros and civilization one one dimensional man so yeah sex rock and roll it's interesting how the impulse had leaked into the wider I mean even talks about it you know the wider cultural zeitgeist and the primacy of sex in a way that wasn't really present present beforehand in history.

And the emphasis of course especially now that there are a lot of like neuro cognition studies that coming out about you know obviously dopamine and all that kind of stuff and conditioning and of course the most important part is the like what's it called it's the inability for for when you fry your dopamine receptors there's like this cognitive situation.

Yeah it's not even dissonance it's it's about lack of self-discipline that that are basically cause causes erosion in the brain lack of will self how do you say self policing and it's precisely what this entire ideology is predicated on basically keeping people from actually having sovereignty agency by eroding them slowly over time you know.

And there's a reason why for instance pornography is weaponized in the military operations and I mean aside from lowering testosterone in populations etc but it also kind of breeds that apathetic type personality.

You're not the first to notice this but I think the way it made made me no no I'm giving a compliment here I the fact that dopamine is actually a drug in a sense if it's actually artificially stimulated is something I hadn't considered but that is one of the easiest ways to grab hold of people through entertainment basically.

And keep them hooked in whatever you're you're pushing selling marketing I mean it's goes back to propaganda I mean it's like you you glamorize it you make it sexy and Bernays was famous for the craziest PR campaign I'd ever read about you guys probably know about this but you know women were considered too delicate and important frankly to the smokers back in.

The early 1900s and it was during I think one of the world war one parades or something that Bernays suggested to a cigarette marketing agency to give beautiful women cigarettes to smoke at the parade and this was done or described as torches of freedom and just there's that stupid word again where everybody is just given these.

Or well in concepts that don't necessarily mean what they actually are are told you as but you know I mean think about smoking I mean you know I know people have had lung cancer from the shit and it's like you're telling the women that they're free and liberated now because they're they're polluting their lungs and so the beautiful women of course is the sex appeal it's it encourages men obviously to want to protect but it also encourages other women to emulate.

Because they admire those women and so it's in pornography is obvious you know but you know even movies watching you know the Academy Awards you know how how much effort these actors and actresses put into their outfits and trying to stimulate your senses you know it's almost satanic I mean if you're if you're religious it's it's it's it's creepy but it works it's very powerful.

But keeping it from it to a secular paradigm the most interesting thing about subversion is that it's always in the oblique right it's conflating terms that we understand with sustenance or the substance of that term and stay instantiating it with ideas which are foreign.

And that is precisely what happens throughout this book that he writes is basically there are old terms such as freedom, liberty, et cetera and they're conflated and injected with foreign abscesses which become of course organic over time.

Now how do you push back on that it's almost impossible because either you're a square which is where the original term came from right you're like a Christian ultra prude or whatever.

Or if you try to do the opposite which is the Yuka Mishima type you go into like the Celine doing drugs and out you become no different from them and in fact they they win simply because they tear down you know the nature of society together because there's no way to outmaneuver drug addiction I mean unless you're like the Taliban where you have it's a talentarian state and you're able to make discipline happen.

But you can't do that in a democracy where people have personal freedom because all you got to do is induce them with this kind of drug addiction whether it's pornography or other kinds of dopamine dopaminergic tricks if that makes sense and and you see this precisely with even TV shows in the 50 60s and 70s which start to condition the populace to accept for instance the breakdown of the family having single parent homes which was unheard of before.

And start glamorizing making heroines out of these individuals.

It's very interesting because a lot of the things that we take for granted especially myself I'm a younger generation who has no experience of what it was like before.

For them it was something that was like a slow moving collapse I mean isn't Gen X the latchkey kids precisely from from from this nexus that we're talking about they're originated.

It's scary. It's scary.

Yeah the book doesn't touch upon feminism too too much but obviously the latchkey phenomenon is effectively a result of that.

And I kind of grew up as one you know my mother I don't like to speak about my family publicly on this type of format but you know just roughly like she she did have a few jobs and so and I don't resent it but it just it was more and more common and I think that was unheard of not too far back.

And that's some of that is economic but I think some of it is definitely by design I think it was Aaron Russo he talked about how like the Rockefellers were pushing this stuff basically to to weaken the individual family basically to to keep that power away from the people and and and keep it held by the elites.

Well yeah the the 60s really one of the big messages was liberation from repression and that goes to the free free sex that goes to feminism that goes to everything and you know they're just basically trying to enter undermine traditional morality and create a society that's that's fractured of traditional bonds.

And you know when you take into consideration like the post 1945 what we call that what bunch of us called the Nuremberg regime the liberal the liberal international order.

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It requires a fluidity and all things and that helps them to maximize profit production and consumption and but it's also a control mechanism.

Yeah that great term divided in a period you know the individual when you make atomic individuals you have granulated everyone you have completely dominated them to the individual level and I agree with you and I think that the greater the most malicious thing is this a version to paint right because what they call oppression or whatever really implied between the lines is this a version to paint.

Self sacrifice probably taking opportunity cost of yourself your personal development for instance women right you for go a career to have a family well that's what this technology this societal technology does is it dissolves the cultural structures which reinforce teamwork.

And induces them to do what they've done since then and obviously has deleterious fertility effects has deleterious societal effects and we're starting to see that now of course as like the the age pyramids are you know getting older and all these kind of issues are arising but we are only starting to see.

The the terminus of this cancer that the ugly head of this cancer come true because it's going to start affecting not just the western populace but also you know even those people from originally third world countries and populations so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out but returning to the book I guess I wanted to ask you Pete your opinion specifically on McCarthy.

And the the interplay between what was going on in the 60s with McCarthy and if you had any thoughts on that.

Through the 60s you mean anti continued anti communist yeah sorry McCarthyism sorry Joseph McCarthy well he was what what the 50s I think but yeah that's right yeah after.

His legacy he pretty he pretty much I think the problem with McCarthy is is that he discredited himself.

He would constantly change numbers he was he was drunk a lot and I think what he did he pointed at he made great points and he you know people try to connect him to Huak and it's like well me he's a senator.

The best thing he did what was inspired you act and also just basically have a he really gave the right it's real last win like real win I mean able to take out some take out some communist take out a couple literally yeah.

Yeah.

Nick Nixon was sort of floating around during that era I can't remember if he worked with McCarthy directly but he definitely put on some of those same people on on the stand some of the Hollywood types and he obviously got taken out when he got into power but.

Well they were taking even before that in the early in the early 60s I mean the one he ran against Kennedy most of the vitriol he got from the press it has been attributed now to his associations to McCarthy McCarthy.

I guess the reason why I bring it up is because whenever you denounce the enemy as commies or whatever the they they have so completely condition society to discourage any kind of criticism because that's that's the red scare that's McCarthyism that's you know illiberal is whatever it is but he was onto something I mean he was spot on and I think the most interesting thing is just a small aside here.

Just recently 2017 I think it was 2019 excuse me 2020 documents regarding senator McCarthy when he was going through of course purging communist from the army and the military in general then he started working into the federal government yet a lot of personal communicates with the CIA before then right.

And then finally he was inching closer to the CIA and he's starting to open up inquiries into the CIA and then guess what happened his old career got shut down so it's very interesting to see because we start to understand who has the locus of power who is the one that has truly the power in that kind of political paradigm if that makes sense and the reason why bring it up is because a lot of people they.

They disregard anyone who criticizes the CIA because they believe that it's just tinfoil hat type situation but there's increasing evidence mounting evidence to show that the criticism of the 1947 security act.

The National Defense Act or whatever was definitely a big problem and the origin of those course the pinko OSS and it's very interesting because of you know I read this book and I just start seeing the connections between the OSS the oligarchs for instance you know Rockefeller foundation so on.

And the people on the ground like the hippies and whatever and it's very weird because the FBI ironically enough was the last vestige of anti communist action well into the 60s it was only after of course Martin Luther King that whole situation did they start becoming part of the I guess how do you say you know state aligned if that makes sense.

The deep state yeah it's scary you know.

Well they they were an effect part of the deep state but it just wasn't oriented towards the goals that it seems to be oriented towards today I mean it was generally more anti communist during Hoover's era obviously at the FBI that was one of his big big things but afterwards I think they they just got.

I don't know I think maybe closer that CIA almost it's like how the CIA doesn't necessarily view communism as a good thing but whatever this emerging alternative globalist neoliberal I mean we really need to figure out what it what it should be called but it's it's something else I think neoliberalism to me is probably the most accurate way of putting it but.

There are so many groups here maybe we should go back to where we're the book guides us to keep it keep it.

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Yeah you brought up neoliberalism which which leads me into my next point was bringing up the March through the institutions and how the Fabian society in Britain was such an influence among the intelligentsia through the London School of Economics and political science and how students of 1968 in the London School of Economics.

It just became establishment figures who helped shape new labor in the 1990s which basically brought in and champion global capitalism and neoliberalism and you know it seems it seems like that this was a again top down this wasn't something that the you know those hippies were pushing in the streets but it was something that a Fabian society who I mean.

We know names that are associated with them in the past that we're able to we're able to do to bring in this global capitalism neoliberalism which I think we can agree when we when we look at it now it's basically a function of helping transform lifestyles and democratizing society reform the institutions and just basically break with any kind of true right.

Well let's for for my edification at the very least let's review the Fabian school as opposed to maybe the the London Esther Marx and Marxist or Soviet approach to socialism but my rough recollection is that it was sort of let's use the velvet glove to persuade as opposed to coerce instead of using the iron fist.

Is that roughly right or clarify for me if you could sure yeah I mean the Fabian society they founded the London School of Economics in 1895 that is we're not talking about people who are like well we need to go out into the streets we need to arm the proletariat or talking about people who are like we're going to take over people's minds.

Yeah so yeah this was this was truly the March through the March through the institutions.

Well the London School Economics I gosh there should be a book out there that covers that place but I have noticed just anecdotally how many key figures there are that have done a circuit through that place and I've been to London only a couple times and I've never been inside that school but I would only imagine the types of discussions they're having.

And it seems to be one of those feathers in a lot of world leaders caps or sort of the anglosphere at least to sort of say well I went to Harvard but then I got my graduate degree at London School of Economics it seems to be a pattern I've noticed.

Yeah to say the least I think Edward Lootfuck went to so I'm not even sure I wouldn't go I mean like I why not you know it doesn't mean you have to agree with them but you'll learn something.

No it don't get me wrong and don't get me wrong I'm not conflating just because someone went there doesn't mean that they are a partisan of that situation I mean we know a lot of guys in our sphere that have gone to you know Ivy Leaks you know and you know they remain on skates you know they made it through you know talk about the march to the institutions I mean that's what the left did so why shouldn't the right do the same thing you know to this sort of this notion that we have to.

Stand stand aside from all the elite institutions and just let them burn I mean that's that's one approach but I would also say infiltrate and study is another one and do what you can add to the best of your ability you know I would say I would even go one further I would say that's incredibly important however the thing that.

Communists have that we don't is that they understand what they're here for they get what the end state is they have an end state they understand what the end goal is and we can't agree on what the end goal is therefore we're not able to plan downwards you know we can't we don't even have the strategic self understanding how can we have operations or even tactical level efficacious moves if that makes sense and so.

What would we be marching through for what would be to be espousing what would be you know championing and that is the thing that we have to answer which we can probably deduce by the oblique.

From learning from the new left from the Gramsci left one day when they talk about for instance societal values that they want to condition maybe we should be able to self reflect and induce within ourselves or precipitate within ourselves the core values that we have.

And then we champion those and then of course we create something organic ourselves and then we can counter thrust.

And do the same thing as well I think that's where I'm kind of i'm still masticating this idea myself i'm still processing and trying to figure out myself and i'm assuming that's why we're meeting here you and I and.

Pete as well yeah we're trying to find that answer like a nights on the holy grail what is what is it that we truly live for what is our thousand and one goals is nature would say.

And ultimately that's a it's a quest that we're all on and I feel that we're coming upon it especially it means say what you want about dougan i don't really like the guy but.

What I can see is the tendrils of something new over the horizon and overcoming of the paradigm of 68 right.

And I think that's precisely why we should reflect on what they're doing precisely because even they they're defined by mythos of their enemy right so.

For instance in 68 the the whole you know world were two Germany framing themselves as a never again what to do the opposite of that I mean why can't we do the same why can't we figure out a organic.

Response to the revolution of 68 68 America why can't we see take what was good from them and and discard the bad and.

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I think one of the interesting things that the book does do is it covers some of the responses to what was going on in that generation.

So the right responding to the left basically the reactionaries effectively and perhaps we need to stop being reactionaries and start being the leaders of in effect, but what I found interesting was the discussion of goldwater in particular because that was a little bit closer to that time and then I thought well what.

What else happened you know I think I think Nixon also but also obviously the Reagan thing in the 80s was was a big response to this as well and also Reagan was in California during this time with all the student protests at Berkeley and in other campuses and he passed legislation in effect to take guns away I think Pete you cover this and one of your shows from the black panthers who are running around Oakland and stuff like that so what can we learn from that I mean the civil rights movement was.

I think a big section of the book because it was a big part of that time and so it goes into Martin Luther King it goes into the black panthers and some of the elite backing that that's kind of a thesis of the book that how a lot of these people were supported how that that happened.

Martin Luther King for example one of the quotes in the book was he was too slow a thinker to be trusted to speak without a script in front of him.

That find that fascinating and actually in recollection I don't recall too many interviews he gave is usually just talking out of podium I read his PhD thesis on Mithra and I doubt that he wrote that there's no right I mean exactly right yeah I think it's been proven that he didn't write that I think it's been proven so so he didn't write that it was actually a decent thesis but I just don't think it sounds like the same syntax he uses you know and say what you will about Obama I mean I don't think he was stupid he could.

Get a bit given interview but I never heard King say anything in response to her question I mean so yeah it's one thing to have a church voice and read from a book I'm sorry that there just doesn't equate to too much in my estimation but beyond that that whole civil rights act and does the book talk about Lyndon Johnson at all because I just think he's one of the worst presidents this country's ever had and during that time he.

Effectively again it's sort of like an elite response to what the street is is burning stuff down about it's and you can also say that the riots may have been an op in effect or stoked to create the conditions maybe like what covid was to create a larger state apparatus but I think the welfare state was effectively a huge response to what was going on and the complaining and all the sort of burning of things and then.

Public housing was built and who act not who act what HUD excuse me her housing and urban development group all that stuff was was a big expansion of Washington's power and sort of like they they took the opportunity to grow and sort of like the war and terror I mean just all these things it just it just keeps making it seems like it keeps making things worse.

With with these solutions that keep coming up with but ultimately and if we if you guys have details you want to go into on the civil rights movement I think some of the 70s and 80s was a response to that I mean the silent majority what can we learn from that Nixon did get into power he was taken out I think I would argue.

But he was able to capture a certain portion of the populace's minds share heart hearts and minds to win those elections and then ultimately you could say the CIA or the deep state of the time.

Had to correct the people but it was it was something that did happen it seemed to be somewhat of a successful response and I think the 80s as well were a response as well that did seem to.

To do something in to combat what was going on from this generation 68 so I guess my question to you guys is what lessons can we learn from that if any that we can apply to maybe our generation.

Well I think one of the easiest things to see in what happened was is they took they were able to take people's eye off of the ball what's important and what's important is culture so when we talk about the you know the 1990s and growing global capitalism you know liberalism I think Sam Francis said once that in the 60s white Americans were talking about black people.

In the 70s they were talking about busing and in the 90s they were talking about taxes contract with America.

Very different you're right you're right yeah so the the the the grow the.

Yaki wrote about this an impirium he said that what he saw what was going to happen was that man was going to become economized man was going to be forced into economics he was going to be forced into a field that he should you should only be thinking about when you're you know writing a check or paying a bill and that now economics was going to become such an important part of.

Man's life that he actually used to term man is going to become economized and not like you know they're he's going to pair everything now no he's going to become an economic machine he is going to become somebody who walks around as if they're a like an annuity.

Like a freak a hug some people.

Yeah sorry oh my goodness like homo homo homo like an onicus yeah yeah so yeah the one thing that I just see that it's so easy to get us to take our eye off the ball when it comes to finance and you know one of the and then.

What's funny is if you look at 2008 and the housing crisis and you come forward to occupy Wall Street and you come forward to the tea party well they just reversed it they're like don't pay attention to economics anymore no we're going to put we're going to shove woke down your throat I think the term racism like like did a hockey stick.

At that point so they're they're very easy at making us take our eye off the ball and I think our eyes when it comes to percentages we should be looking at culture in the biggest highest percentage possible and not not allow them to distract us from that because that's what happened we weren't distracted from culture culture was broken.

And then you get into the 90s and everybody's like well it's all about tax policy.

I think you're right I think definitely the 90s where you could say the hangover from the 80s and then the 70s were the hangover from the 60s and during I think the 70s and 80s I think there was somewhat of a revival in perhaps the religious parts of the country.

I forget it was 800 club or something like that there was a television program where a lot of these evangelicals and people like that would would sort of there seem to be somewhat of a groundswell against this and there was the satanic panic and people were scared of of kind of the things that they were seeing and and there's did seem to be somewhat of a cultural or religious response in addition to the economics but that did seem to die down.

By the 90s I think you're right and perhaps some of the the stuff today I mean I would say and it's it's it's always takes different form can I start to can I start for a second yeah I'm sorry for a second I think it's very interesting I think it's very interesting that people like James Lindsay and basically these nominal these classical put on who classical liberals they all wants to go back to the 90s and when when you look and it's like well.

What is what is everybody I mean we're in a culture war everything is about everything is about culture they someone like him and I just thought of this now I haven't put this together before wants to go back to when it was all about economics right that nobody was arguing over culture that you know everybody I mean I remember I remember the 90s I was in a band it was it was wild it was fun I mean the 90s was a lot of fun and people want to go back to that but.

The reason he wants to go back to it is people are he's he equates his worldview of classical liberalism all with economics if we can just have that good economics again wherever where everything is so good that nobody cares about this cultural stuff when really it's all about the cultural it's all about the cultural when you really need care you need 24 seven access to a care team not a maze of paperwork from a third party every day America's hospital.

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I've been working on myself it's it's a little bit of a minute here so I apologize for a second but Adam's probably going to like lose his goddamn mind again because he's the Apollonian to my Dionysus but I think what we're trying to figure out or what we're actually hovering over the target is we have to dress the irrational I mean the human man the person with the soul is irrational and that fundamentally economics and and well being and no matter how much food you have in your belly and how.

Happy you are with your material possessions there needs to be something higher right like that there needs to be a certain calling and you see this in the least for instance you know most people don't know this but the Middle East wasn't like always such a shithole I mean there were secular governments that were progressive that offered people secular how do you say solutions to their problems as opposed to the religious ones that figures largely now in the Middle East.

And what we understand them to be. And of course like for instance the son of the lot was a son of a billionaire and he for so call his fortune to seek you know his religious you know convictions I'm not saying that I'm not Islamic or anything like that but it should provide you a metric of understanding of humans that we have this irrational need for things and the left what they do is they leverage the gravity of their beliefs because man constantly wants to be lazy he constantly wants to be lazy.

He constantly wants to feel pleasure he constantly he does not want to feel disciplined he doesn't want to feel to be encumbered he doesn't want to feel like you know basically the discipline of life whether it's in family whether it's a so you know civic service x y or z I think the truth or the the origin of where we can start solving our problems is just like you said the talking about culture rather what does that mean the spirit and what.

Really kind of is the engine that spirit is the family it's religion and I'm not religious myself i'm pretty secular guy but I think the truth is that really like when you start leveraging that irrational.

Agency and man you start overcoming petty pleasures when you start giving them a vision for something to suffer and die for they start.

Ignoring and making sacrifices of things that the left leverages so for instance you know drugs sex and rock and roll and personal gratification and your career people forsake that if you can give them a vision of something that's beyond simply material well being.

And I know that sounds kind of like I said it's not Apollonia you can't put numbers on that it's not very you can't put you know put it on a map it's very ephemeral it's very psychological.

But if we can start offering people that impetus that meaning in life we give them a mission some spirit through moss in their chest.

We can make them be beautiful again and I think that's what was lacking in the West is fundamentally the destruction of Christianity i'm not Christian myself so I say this you know unbiased.

I think that precisely because Christianity became a waning psychological force in the West that the engine of Western civilization came to a halt hence why.

The left is ascendant because they basically break down this carcass so I don't think the solution is to go back into Christianity I think whatever spirituality that overcomes liberalism will be the future however I think this is what we're facing is this question.

Of overcoming this obstacle through irrational means through.

appealing to the soul and fight club is a great example i'm sure that you guys are aware of fight club but it's a great encapsulation of man's disgust with the 1990s material well being in favor of personal achievement in something that's kind of transcendental something that appeals to the soul something that you can give yourself towards.

And I think that's what we're here to discuss is provide people with that vision.

And if that makes sense I don't know if i'm off left kilter here how you guys are feeling so give me some pushback your feet.

Well i mean i think it points towards like the spanglerian and yaki a high culture where that's that's what that that's what a society a society needs in order to move forward in order to.

In order to progress in order to be cohesive as opposed to science technology techniques things like that where that immediately when you have machinery and machinery introduced it you basically start to realize well I can create I can become like god and I can create all these things and.

It has a tendency to drive you away from that high culture from that spiritual and you know I think we see that now I think we see that the you know if if the regime in charge if the spirit of this age which I you know I think is the Nuremberg regime the new the new deal regime is one thing it's to destroy that destroy any kind of.

Any kind of cohesiveness any kind of of of a culture any kind of race any kind of homogeneity any kind of order as long as there's chaos as long as people are in chaos spiritually and the spirit of the ages in chaos the high culture is gone then anyone who has seized power and is willing to.

To use it can wield control over everything even if as we see it fall apart due to competent incompetency over production of the elites whatever you however you want to explain it yeah no and I think you're absolutely right I think these are material manifestations of something that's happening psychologically on a psychological basis and I completely agree with you Pete and I think that Adam and I are in accordance with this as well and I think what what we need to get.

To give to people who are lost who are in this chaos is a mission a city on the hill to go and fight for and with people that are brave enough to be irrational in that pursuit because if you notice especially with like backwards preachers the the effusiveness and the spiritual self assuredness is what people crave you see this in leadership in the military but you see this at large in leadership and political people there's a reason why they tear down.

Political operatives or statesmen who kind of have that gravitas and it's precisely because they want you to be divided from a mission they want you to be not part of something greater than yourself they want you to have nothing aside from yourself self interest and that's precisely what we got to change and I think that's something that we have to overcome in liberalism itself and Adam I see you're going to add something here.

Yeah I gotta I gotta jump in just because I don't I don't disagree with what you guys are saying I hope you don't think I'm I'm all about neoliberalism and trading stock options all day and and that's all that matters I I was just listening to something today from one of these channels that covers people that I like and I get crap we're talking about Elon Musk all the time but I think he's an interesting example of what.

Of what we're talking about because just like generation 68 what about generation 69 where well you had a 69 camera which is probably one of the most beautiful American made cars ever made but also the country landed on the moon and I have gone back and forth as to whether I even believe it that's a true thing but I'm going to just I'm just going to make a make a statement here that I think it's more likely than not and even if it wasn't true the fact that they.

Did all that they did is still impressive I mean they they built those rockets this rock was real and what was that that was the Faustian spirit I mean that was the we're going to do I mean I love the Kennedy speech where he talks about this we said we do things not because they're easy it is because they are hard and I love that and I know people want to do things that are easy and I I don't like them I don't hang out with people like that and I have people very closely.

To me that I have to hear that from sometimes and it just it just kills me but you know musk was talking about how they're basically going to space X is it's funny because NASA and Neil Armstrong particular actually said and it Elon was asked about this because it hurt his feelings but what do you think about Neil Armstrong statements that space X has no business doing what NASA has done and you know Elon said you know that that's that's really the supporting to me.

I mean he's been a hero of mine and I think it's sad when people like like crabs in a bucket have to pull down those that are actually achieving things I don't understand what Armstrong was thinking with that it's very disappointed to me as well but I think space X is actually literally trying to build the infrastructure that the US government and all the other stupid governments have been so incompetent accomplishing he's actually building infrastructure to make this species as he puts it but let's face it who's working at space X it's it's not going to happen.

The types that worked at NASA back in the late 60's right make this this group a multi planetary group and I think that is such a great crazy mission and everything he's done with the Twitter acquisition with Tesla has just been the same spirit of just taking on really hard important projects and kicking their ass and I just am so excited by that and I've not seen that come out of any politician's mouth and

here here I've not seen any of that come out of the IRS happy tax day by the way I have not seen any of that come out of most of our quote unquote leaders in such a long time and we need more of that and you know I'm I'm sympathetic to religious arguments as well like you know not putting yourself above God but I know a lot of religious people who also like what Elon's doing and I think there's no there's no discord there I think you know we should work together on that

you know the most evil thing that Hannah Ardern ever wrote about liberalism is the idea that the abolition of great missions and to be content with you know your personal life and being happy with I don't know being an interior designer or something and there's something deeply disgusting about that I mean it's one thing if you're in a corporate society we're all one team everyone has a function and no matter how small or big you are

defined by the greater mission the evil liberalism is it destroyed all grades it makes everyone temptable and small and that is the beautiful thing that Elon Musk is doing is making man and woman dick and they're going to places that man hasn't gone before it's a self overcoming mission and that the paradigm of today is not between left or right it's between up or down it's between people that want to

slink to slums or people who want to conquer the stars and I'm grateful to say and proud to say I'm part of the latter not the former and I think that everyone here feels the same ways I do I think so I don't want to put words in

Pete's mouth but I definitely have a feeling he's a self overcoming falsely in man right yeah and here's the thing every day excessive delays and denials from big

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But I started using it people started using it started and immediately started using as pejorative against me but he asked me so what do you know what what and I said I'm a problem solver I said that's what that's what the world needs I said

boot kelly in an El Salvador was when he ran for mayor so he was in the left he ran in the far left party as for says when he started running for president he ran in the far left party they kicked them out once with another party he had to do he had to jump through hoops just to get elected president and what did he do the first thing he's like

where the murder capital the world this is going to stop and he solved a problem and he can give a fuck what anybody thought about it sorry I curse sometimes in the show um and he he he cleaned that place I he turned I mean he turned it into a place where I'm like I'm you know my wife and I

saw him maybe we're going to go for you know four or five days you know in the next couple months yeah I'd be curious still well it's still cheap you know well it's still cheap if you look at you you're like holy crap you can really the dollar goes pretty far down there um

but he went in there he solved the problem the other thing he did was and I don't know if I agree with this but he's like well there's a money problem I'm going to adopt bitcoin yeah and okay so what is he okay all right the big book bitcoin grows when I call him a libertarian but he obviously doesn't care

anything about civil rights he was just basically arresting anybody with a face tattoo um is he you know the the authoritarians are like well well he also is adopted bitcoin

I don't care what his ideology is he solves problems give me someone who can solve problems ideology is bullshit

Sam Francis pointed this out James Burnham pointed this out you create ideologies created in a lab as soon as it's

introduced to the public holes are shot in it it doesn't exist yeah solve problems become a become a

problem solver if you cannot solve every public the only politician that you should even take seriously as

somebody who's like this is a problem this is our biggest problem this is how I'm going to solve it

let me do it that's the kind of person you take seriously now in this we know in our system how

difficult that is well I'm going to solve the immigration problem you know that you're going to have

arrows and even bullets might be coming at you from all directions if you want to do it

but what you if you're not talking about solving yeah solve the first problem then go to the second

problem then go to the third problem but you're out with the biggest one is first that's what someone's

ideology should be and that is a fasting spirit and then you can and after you solve the problems then

you can be like okay what do I oh I want to let's inhabit Mars yeah what's next great no yeah

but until you solve that first problem you have to be able to solve that first problem if you don't

solve that first problem if you don't focus in on one thing and fix it you're just you're you're

just playing the game of politics as it's been played since 1933 yes yes yes speed holy shit yes

I'm sorry I'm like just getting pumped from hearing you say that because it's precisely that

there's this weird paradigm people are stuck in the myth mythos of the Second World War and it's like

dude that is like dead and guardied what is now what's happening now like the the considerations of

time are not an act of lapse it's a and those issues stem from precisely what you're saying the

problems of the soul of seeking out great challenges and building a team around it building a

vision no one's doing that aside from tearing everyone else down so that way they can aggrandize

themselves let's build everyone else up let's let's make a team effort and I love hearing you say

that because that's exactly especially bukele is such a great example because it shows that yes

you can you can fix you know your shit whole country make it like a paradise

America and make it a paradise it's only a matter of willpower and vision I think we can give that

especially if we if you know we can we stand true to our principles and I think one of the great

things about Elon Musk and his interview is that he stands great risk all the time I mean the

government is constantly now litigating him under species charges bullshit charges but that's

what it's going to take and that's part of life is that people want to tear you down and you have

to conquer them for their own good to build them up and one of the greatest things bukele does

did was crack down on the lowest and most detrimental segments of society and rebuild from what

was good upwards and I completely agree with you I want to go down there to myself and like

help him however I can you know in my small way I think the lessons that we can draw from these

two individuals and other people that have risen to power is that it's a long game you know

Elon just didn't show up I mean he's been doing this for three four decades bukele as I don't

know as much about him but and he's a younger man as well and it's a smaller country and so perhaps

there's a quicker path the things like that but from what Pete has described it sounds like he

had to go through some trials to get to where he is he had to go through the left which is an

interesting angle but it works so good for him hats off whatever works and that's that's

something I think a lot of people whether they're entrepreneurs or leaders or builders or whatever

I think they maybe they take the Hollywood montage two minutes of the guy who goes from

rags to riches that the Scarface you know like from boat off of Cuba and now he's going to push

to the limit yeah that that's not real it takes a little longer than two minutes and you just

got to be a grinder and I think you know there's something to be said for charisma of course but

you also got to you got to tell yourself you know that this is going to happen and tell others as

well and keep that positive mindset and if you if you fall into that negativity trap and it

just destroys you it destroys your team and I think real leaders have to do better than that

and I think something that that Thomas 777 says is we're not sure of his witnesses we're a

vanguard we don't need we're not looking for numbers we're looking for people who you know like

the PayPal Mafia take that mean the PayPal Mafia is a perfect example it's just a it's just a small

group that gets stuff done basically controls control Silicon Valley or controlled Silicon Valley

and the ankle biters they you have to dismiss these people you don't need these people the people who

when I say something about bukele go well you know he kissed the wall one time and his wife his

and his wife is half Sephardic I don't get I'm judging him by what he's doing yeah what does the

other guy got I mean like what's if you're saying he's so bad show me something better and I'm not

gonna I'm not gonna like you know look back a hundred years for what your model is like we need to

get going now show me some progress I mean how are you how are you waiting for you know and this

is what I told people all the time to is I mean you have to be insulating yourself you have to be

doing things for yourself you know I mean we're we move to where we did because it's yeah it's a

very quiet it's remote it's not it it's not insanely remote but it's remote we can grow food here

we have we have friends who have chicken houses and all sorts of stuff we we can take care of

ourselves it's a small group a very small town very manageable very manageable politically

everybody knows everyone everyone knows the police until we can get that you know have

those people put that vanguard together even if you're not part of the vanguard even if you're

just a thought you know somebody who's there to help with ideas somebody who has money somebody who

can I mean I mean some of these assholes like Stephen Crowder who was like crying because

daily wire was going to pay him what 50 50 million dollars for four years what could we do with 50

million dollars that's a great question actually we we should probably figure that out because those

are you know again I'll shut up about Elon Musk someday but I'm always finding new things I like

that he's taught me and he one of the earliest things like there's a hilarious clip of him when he

like didn't get his hair implants like after he sold like a x.com or whatever it was to pay pal

he got his first millions and he bought him a clarin and they're lowering it to like his suburban

house and he still married to his his first wife but he's sitting there and he's like giving this

really dorky interview and he's like you know it's really easy like in Silicon Valley if I just

want to go raise 10 million at the capitals right there and I'm like wow what a mindset like you

know if you actually have the idea and the team and the leadership and the capability you don't

have to get that yourself you just raise the money you know and that's how actually true movers

and shakers think they use other people's money there's like books about this but I think that's

a great question what would we do with 50 million I don't know because I actually haven't adopted

that mindset in a practical sense but until we are we start thinking big we're not going to achieve

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21 plus terms and conditions apply I read the whole thing over I think it was seven episodes

and it's just a way to get into the mind of people who think way differently than we do

I think he said um in one of the chapters he said that all the people who started paypal he said

I think the five people who started paypal four of them as teenagers had independently of each other

built bombs okay so what does that mean it means these are thinking outside the box

yeah these are these are way outside the box thinkers you know and you know what he talks about in

that book is he's like everybody we've been conditioned to believe that competition it competition

is what what the world is all about the world of business is all about he's like no he's like no

monopoly is what the world is all about the monopoly is the only way that you get innovation

he says we don't want monopoly you know he any downplays just a whole way through the book

we don't want to have the kind of monopoly that is like cronyism where you're lobbying the

government to be the only one in existence no you want to create something that is so groundbreaking

that's so outside the box that you make billions off of it but in the process of making billions

off of it you've changed humanity you've just you've improved humanity that's where the breakout occurs

it's it's when you've created that new it's it's what the title of the book is it's zero to one as

opposed to one to a million or something I mean anything time zero is zero so if you can if you

could like you know the primordial big bang or god creating the universe that's what he's talking

about doing something that groundbreaking there's another book called I think it's blue ocean

strategy I haven't actually read it but it seemed like a really simple idea so I didn't bother but

the the concept was so there's these big title blooms that happen in the ocean and it's basically

a bunch of like plankton and stuff whales eat that they just they go nuts they breed like crazy

and they choke off all the oxygen to the point where everything is just it just dies at a certain

point they kind of reach that Malthusian limit everything just starts collapsing but you don't want

to be in the middle of that if you want to stand out you want to go or the water is blue that's

kind of the the thesis of the book so you kind of want to think tangentially you know they they

all want it to kind of go to the London School of Economics or Harvard or whatever in play by the

stupid rules that are kind of rigged against you you're not going to get really far with you might

you might become a millionaire or something but you're never going to become a billionaire by sort

of getting good grades you have to I mean most of these guys dropped out of school so I think that

that's that's it's a big lesson it's like okay you can do okay but if you really want to change

the world forget the quote but it's it's sort of like nothing nothing ever I think it was like a

feminist quote it's like nothing ever changed by like reasonable women or something so all the

all the changes like unreasonable women you could say the same thing about men it's like you you

have to you have to think kind of tangentially almost irrationally that these crazy things are

possible and I would just say you know make sure you know you're honest with yourself about what

you're accomplishing and if it's not working try something else but you know that there is to

me at least some some value in being realistic but you you you need to team and you need to inspire

people and I think that's that's a big lesson here it's like you need to have something really

really impressive and exciting one of apologize to Lance I was on a different screen and he dropped

out and he was out of there for a while so um you know they're Lance yeah they just attacked me dude

they attacked me it's okay I'm back do you have any do you have anything to add to that I know

you've been listening I think you know like I think you guys are spot on and it doesn't just

extend to the world of I guess of course innovation it extends in many different directions and

everyone has their specific skill set I think the most important thing that you guys point it out

is to seek opportunities wherever they may be and making the most of it exploiting it and um

I think you're absolutely right I think Adam is absolutely right I think uh the PayPal Mafia is

incredibly inspiring precisely because they were able to outmaneuver the crony cap you know

establishment as it had been before with just something completely out of the box as you'd say

and uh and they have real world effects I mean look at Elon Musk he owns X major uh social media

network he owns Tesla he he's going to Mars he's doing multiple things and that's because he

pursued I mean do you think he had fun with PayPal do you think that's interesting to him now I think

he understood that it was a stepping stone to something greater to going to Mars and I'm

absolutely sure that's how he feels about Tesla and everything else so it's absolutely great and

it's a great example for our own selves to set for our own selves for our own success and uh more

importantly probably um like liver circles if I think that people he missed because they're always

so focused on their own own um person wealth and so on more all right Lance you're

robotting like crazy so wasn't sure with me now it's you know you're robotting like crazy but um

all right let's wrap this up because I've been sitting on my butt in front of this screen for

now going on in a little over three hours today so um I'll give I'll give you guys a floor to say

something and hopefully Lance can uh yeah not so much space Odyssey but Adam go ahead first you

will just just glibly um I want all the listeners to know that any support you give to Pete will be

going towards this purchase of a standing desk I think that's that's a great thing is we all

reach our middle age we we need to we need to be getting good posture so hoping not sitting too much

today um but in any case um yeah I think the team is absolutely critical I think that's sort of what

Lance was uh trying to hit upon um another musk thing and I hopefully we'll we'll stop but

he he's interesting also because he has the guts and Pete we actually talked about this when you

came on our show um a couple episodes ago where musk is willing to fire people and and lay off

people and that that's that's hard I mean it's really hard it's it's not something I'm comfortable

doing you know I have I've had to do it actually but it really sucks but it's a skill because

you need to know what your culture we're talking about culture right and a company culture or

government culture or nation's culture you need to know what that culture stands for and if you

have people to come in that actually are problematic they need to go and it you know you need to be

fair about it and you need to set performance goals and measurements that can be objective but

you can quickly murder a company with bad culture you don't have to look any further than Boeing

and what's going on with that place they have a bad culture and I think musk recognizes that

and what he did it it x twitter when he bought it the first thing he did was he laid off 80% of the

employees and guess what the company did fine it's actually doing better now um so do the same thing

for the US government if and what I forgot that thing was called beat project 25 25 25 25 yeah there you

go yeah that is a good idea and it was sort of what Vivek Ramaswamy was was pushing and that we

need to get rid of most of these people because frankly they're useless and secondly they're actually

worse than useless they're problematic in their obstructionist their counter revolutionary

in the communist terminology so I think that's that's a big lesson that I think if we ever get

in positions of power we need to take it seriously and take culture seriously and take our team

seriously and reward those that do take it seriously and do do a good job and get rid of the

people that are not doing that because in effect you were you were poisoning the well for those

that are instrumental in caring for that mission by keeping the people that are

are negative are problematic are not willing to learn are not willing to be

come part of that project uh they they're extremely detrimental and I think that's another lesson

less well I just want to say thank you for having me on p i don't want to carry on too long

because I don't want to lose connection again but I just want to say thank you and thank you Adam

of course um to your plug tell people where they can find your uh your work class uh just go

ahead and uh you can find me on twitter at landsligen and you can also go to dvxpublishingcompany.com

you can find all my information there I just wrote a book check it out um but again thank you so much

no problem at all Adam plug

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