Do Supplements Work? - Episode 2776

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Yeah, one of the most misheard lyrics

in all of music.

Excuse me while I kiss the sky.

But a lot of people will say, excuse me while I kiss this guy.

And by the way, Jimmy used to do that sometimes on stage.

He would just say it that way because that's what people thought.

And he would make fun.

But to talk about this, by the way, folks,

we're going to be talking about ergo genics today.

Ergo genics are supplements that may and can help you perform better

athletically or feel better just walking around all day long.

Are these things worth it?

Are they not worth it?

Where does it stop as just being a good supplement and becomes a drug?

You know, there's a lot of confusion about all of this.

I've been talking about building up your body and keeping muscle on

and everything else.

I think it was important to do an episode on this.

So to help me talk about this, we're going to bring a man.

I'm talking about the beautiful, the vivacious Mr. Chris Chaffer.

Yeah.

So Chris, yeah, there were two artists.

There were more of that.

They would just change the words to what people thought they were in the song.

Jimmy would often do that on stage.

He would say, excuse me while I kiss this guy,

because that's what a lot of people thought he was saying back in 1969.

It's 69.

Okay.

And there was another one, E.L.O.

Electric Light Orchestra, where he's saying,

don't drag me down or don't get me down.

Groose, G-R-O-O-S, or whatever.

Whenever it's spelled, Groose.

Which means, hey, hey, Brosky.

It's kind of a, you know, I guess hackney slang for, hey, bro, don't get me down.

Don't get me down, Groose.

But everybody thought he was talking about some dude named Bruce.

So he would do that on stage.

He would yell out Bruce instead of Groose.

I guess it didn't really change the song a whole lot, since it sounded the same.

Any thoughts, Chris, before we move on to the actual subject at hand?

Well, what about, what about the other one, Vinnie?

Oh, that's tons of, I mean, we could do a whole episode of them.

CCR, right, the bathroom on the right.

Yeah, yeah.

There was another one in a song where, for years,

where the bust and all the tourists are gone,

I thought they were saying something else.

Year of the cat, the song, year of the cat.

They're saying, you know, it's late in the evening and all the bust,

all the busts and the tourists are gone.

I can't remember what I used to think, but I used to think it was something else.

It sounded like he's saying something about a cigar or something.

It's like really fast.

I couldn't remember what I thought it was.

Right, but if we find that song, you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we could go on and on with that, Chris,

Ergo Genics.

Now, do we have a definition for just Ergo Genics just by itself?

What do we consider an Ergo Genic?

So my definition of it is anything that enhances athletic performance.

A lot of people think an Ergo Genic is like just a fat burning aid,

but I think you and I agree it's a substantially broader category of things.

Well, all right, so let me clear that up.

You can hit in sports as Ergo Genic AIDS is something you ingest pretty much.

In some way, shape or form, whether it's a needle or you're just putting it in your mouth,

or and I'm not kidding about this folks.

Back in the day, they used to inject stuff up their butts.

I'm not making that part up.

And we can get into that in a minute if you'd like.

But there's also Ergo Genomic AIDS, right?

You ever notice when you watch the Olympics are going on right now as we record this?

Just watching all the ice skating events.

You know, there are different ice skates for everything.

The hockey players have a certain kind that they turn and cut really fast.

And what have you?

The skaters have a certain kind that's got like a little grip on the front.

So when they're getting ready to do that triple lots of quadruple, you know, the quad God,

and all the, all right, they have to stop really like you're going,

wait, how's this guy slipping along the ice?

And then they just jump straight up.

Well, they have, they have like a low, you know, is nudged out on the front of those blades right at the curve of it.

They go up on that thing and it stops them in their track and they're able to push straight up, right?

You don't need that on a hockey skate.

And then you got the speed skaters, you got two kinds.

You got the kind that Apollo owner used to do.

You know, the low short track thing that looks like, you know, they wear the helmets.

They kind of look like women.

Remember the women used to do roller derby on roller skates?

They go around the low short track, right?

So they put like five people on a low short track and basically, it's like a roller derby because no one ever,

they never finished with all five or six on the track.

Two or three of them crash out one guy crosses the line.

That's where the Apollo owner was good at.

Well, if you look at those skates, the whole blade is attached to the skate, the whole blade, right?

But if you look at the ones that Yuda is at her name, the hot looking chick from the Netherlands, Uda, Yuda,

and my other favorite one, Femke Kock, who won the gold, that's her name, folks.

Femke Kock.

And by the way, gorgeous.

You know, they're given the other girl that's dating the, who's the guy she dates to the fighter, the YouTube guy.

He just fought Michael, you know, Mike Tyson.

What's his name, Chris?

Jake Paul.

Yeah, Jake Paul dates Juta, but her name, they pronounced it Uta, the jazz Uta.

All right, she's like the big celebrity on the internet.

But the girl that beat her out from her own country that got the gold

is, in my opinion, supermodel beautiful, right?

And her name was Femke Kock.

I just want to move that just for the names.

Hey, what's your name?

Just for people who are going to Google that, it's K-OK.

Yeah.

Yeah, Kock is K-OK.

I spelled it the way that it sounds and got a very different set of Google search results.

So yeah, K-OK.

I think her first name is spelled F-E-M-K-E.

I think Femke and then Kock, K-OK.

Right.

So F-E-M-K-E.

Yeah.

And by the way, Chris, do you see photos of her?

Not currently.

OK.

You don't have to put them on a screen.

People, if you want to look up Femke Kock, go look her up yourself.

Gorgeous, just incredible.

Right.

And there's nothing wrong with the other one.

Uta, whatever her name is.

But, you know, if you choose in between the two, the other one, the one that won the gold is the more beautiful.

All right.

They do the long track stuff, 500, 1500 meters, like the longer stuff.

They're blades.

When they are in the straightaway, they're blades to attach off the back, almost like a,

almost like a,

across country ski.

You know, the back comes up,

because they can get more speed that way.

You can keep the blade on the ice longer by doing that, right?

So those are all ergo genic aids.

I'm sorry.

Ergonomic.

I'm messing up my own argument.

By the way, speed.

If you notice.

Hockey players don't have a heel on their boot, but the figure skaters have a heel.

That's not there to look pretty.

That's there because it puts their foot in their body more in a forward position.

They have less chance of falling back.

All of it, everything happens for a reason.

Those are all ergonomic aids.

And I just named one sport.

I can do that with every sport.

Look at football.

The guys on the line don't wear the same shoulder pads and helmets as the guys in the back field

and the quarterback or the defensive backs.

It's all different.

They need stuff to make them move certain ways.

Ergonomic aids, right?

Ergo genic aids are there to cause different effects.

Ergo genic aids that a guy that wants to be a strong weightlifter or a strong short term,

like a football player, you know, all these anaerobic sports.

They might use different ergo genic aids.

Then say someone running cross country or running marathons would have you.

And then there's some ergo genic aids that cross over.

But the thing I can tell you is most of the ones on the market that you can buy

are not worth the package they come in.

Right?

I see tons and tons and we can't go through all of them because this podcast would be 25 hours long.

But everything's supposed to help you do something else.

Right?

Just in the world of weightlifting.

Right?

Eat more protein.

How much?

You should be getting.

I tell people between a half and one gram per pound of lean body mass.

So I weigh around 175 pounds.

Well, lean body mass is probably 150 pounds.

So if I took one gram, that would be 150 grams of protein per day.

So if I get between 100 and 150 on any given day, I'm doing well.

And then they'll say, well, what's the best way to get that protein?

Well, animal protein would be the best way because you're going to get all of the amino acids.

Eggs come to mind.

Eggs are like a super food just in its own little package.

Body builders and everyone else that want to put on muscle.

People who are serious about athletics, they eat eggs.

Period.

Other great animal protein.

And this isn't like second to eggs, but it's right up there is red meat.

Sorry, sorry, vegans and vegetarians are wrong.

Red meat.

I'm not here.

I don't work for big meat as I've been accused of online.

I don't get paid for any.

The only thing I get paid for is to tell you guys about Villa Capelli and Jasper this month.

Next month, it might be different.

And by the way, Villa Capelli and Jasper will not help you with your athletic performance.

Not that I know.

Villa Capelli might too, but it's not.

No one's sleeping better at night or exactly.

The bottom line is red meat eggs and then right on top of that chicken,

which is a ton of protein, fish, a ton of protein, pork, a ton of protein.

It's all good for you.

That's how you want to get your protein in.

And you don't need more than you need.

That's all.

Is that simple?

Well then, what if I can't and I'm busy and I got kids and I got a job and I got a life and a wife and everything?

Okay, great.

You do.

Not my fault, your fault.

You should have thought about that when you want to put muscle on.

But you're there.

You got those cute kids and you got the wife and all of it.

Can I take powdered protein?

Sure, you can take it.

But you know, it's not optimal.

As a matter of fact, because of the way it's made, it can cause a bit of a glycogen spike more than a bit.

It just will.

Now, you'll go, well, then you, you recommended sometimes and you've taken it yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When you're throwing up and you have cancer and you're sick and you need to get protein in somehow,

I don't give a fuck if you eat ice cream to get the protein in.

You got to get the protein in.

I would prefer you not.

Especially if it's one of the protein ice creams, like is it halo top?

Oh, we'll get into that.

Yeah, like totally different thing.

Yeah.

But no, when I was going through cancer, you know, sometimes you don't want to eat anything,

but you got to eat something, right?

I tell us to people, I coach people every day about cancer, eat whatever you want to eat.

Don't stand on ceremony.

If you feel like you want to eat a pickle, eat a pickle, if you want to eat, if all of a sudden

nothing is appetizing, you haven't eaten in three days and you want to damn,

M&M, eat the damn M&M, right?

Get some kind of calories going in.

Now, I'm giving you weird examples.

But a lot of people will say, what about protein?

That's when I say taking protein powder is better than not.

And the best protein I've found is egg white protein in a powder form or whey protein.

Whey protein is probably the best.

And the best of that is just standard whey, which happens to be the cheapest, right?

There's whey comes in several forms, standard.

Then you have concentrate, which they cook it down more and you have a little more preserving.

And then they have isolate where they've bastardized it so much it's not even worth taking.

Which brings up another point, ergo genics.

Well, what if I just take the breakdown that we're getting from the pilot protein?

Okay, what's that?

Well, that would be EAAs and BCAAs.

I get a lot of questions.

I read the NIH study.

I read this down to the other thing.

They said it may be good for you.

And every time I read what the company is out of selling it to me,

it's like, hey, this will definitely help me build muscle.

Almost the same way steroids.

No, it won't.

If it did in Gina Grad, when Gina used to do the show, she used to love when I would say this.

If it did anything like what a steroid does, it would be banned by the IOC,

the International Olympic Committee, and it would be banned by WADA,

the World Anti-Doping Association.

It's not.

And the reason it's not is because it doesn't do anything to help you,

regardless of what the companies say.

Well, it might do a little bit, but not enough for you to, you know, you came and tell.

And by the way, the stuff is not cheap.

And we don't know if it can do any harm to you.

We just know that is generally safe, Chris.

I think EAAs is a really interesting one because a lot of people look at BCAAs.

So branch chain amino acids, not just the essential amino acids.

As an interchangeable thing.

And they're obviously not.

If somebody here is thinking about this and you go,

oh, I'll just get the BCAAs because that's got everything in it.

And it's usually cheaper than an EAA.

You don't want to do that either.

And that's actually more counterproductive than even the EAAs would be.

If you want the building blocks, eat real protein.

And you're going to get all of the stuff that you need.

You're going to get branch chain amino acids in exactly the form you're supposed to get out.

Our bodies were set up to use it that way by eating the real food.

The other part of taking, and this is the part that most people don't understand.

Any of the studies where any of this stuff was actually good for you.

They, a lot of it, they weren't ingesting this stuff.

Orally, they were being injected this stuff.

How's that different?

Well, when you, all right, so I'll give you kind of a cartoon version.

You eat a piece of red meat.

It's got fat and it's got protein and it's got every amino acid in there.

It goes into your stomach.

Your stomach has one of the strongest acids known to man.

It's like neurotic acid.

It's like a really strong stomach.

It's a real strong acid.

It breaks everything out, turns it into a liquid.

Except for any kind of fiber of stuff.

It pushes it towards your intestines and gets ready to get rid of it.

That's the stuff that comes out.

But everything else, your body, when it breaks it down the stomach,

it turns it into a liquid and it starts forming it into the vitamins and minerals

and everything it needs to go into.

This is a cartoon version.

And the EAAs and the BCAAs and all of the other amino acids

are protected by the food it's there with.

With me, it's protected.

We get what we need and exactly the way we need it.

As an atheist, that's what makes me believe there's a God.

This is able to happen with us and with every other animal

and what they eat and how they eat.

We get what we need from that.

Now, if you just took a branch chain amino acid in a white powder reform

from any company, it's not protected by anything else.

Now, if you were able to inject that somehow, then it's one thing.

In other words, you can't inject the powder.

You can't mix it with water and inject it.

Folks don't do anything stupid.

This is clinical stuff that they do where they make this stuff

just for clinical trials.

Okay.

That's when they find that, oh, maybe it works a little bit when they inject it.

It hardly ever works whenever you take it.

So, there's that.

There's all these, quote unquote, precursors.

That's another broad science.

There's a precursor to testosterone.

If you take it, your body turns it into testosterone.

There's generally, I can go through all of them,

but there's generally no evidence that any of that ever works.

Ever.

Zero.

Right.

Again, some of it worked when they turned it into some kind of peptide

and injected it.

And we're going to get into peptides in a minute into test patients

and the animals.

They got some results.

But that's it.

It doesn't mean if you go buy this stuff,

it's going to work for you.

It just doesn't press.

You look like you want to say something.

I think that's that's the biggest issue with looking at these types of things.

Is there's a lot of stuff that if you just Google Ergo Gen X,

or you start looking on Instagram or X or wherever about Ergo Gen X,

you're going to find two or three things.

One is going to be a pre-workout.

One is going to be something like away protein powder.

And maybe you'll run into charms or peptides,

which we'll talk about here in a minute.

But in reality, Ergo Gen X fall into one of three categories.

One would be nutritional.

So technically your pre-workout would fall under that category.

The second would be pharmacological.

So that's going to be steroids, charms, peptides,

and then physiological or mechanical, right?

I don't think we need to dive too much into that.

But if you're talking about something like an oxygen training mask,

or blood replacement, right?

And that's going to be more of a physiological Ergo Gen X.

So today, I think we're just going to focus kind of on the nutritional

and the pharmacological side of that.

Right.

Talk about what works, what doesn't, and what people should watch out for.

And speaking of that, NAD, right?

There's been a lot of talk about NAD lately.

And there's some promising stuff coming around about NAD.

I'm not going to lie.

Everything promising that's coming out on NAD

has to do with the injected form of it,

not the form you buy from the store, right?

So we don't know what it can do yet,

or if it's some kind of fountain of youth, right?

And there's NAD precursors and all this kind of stuff.

Again, I've read as much as I can read on it,

and it comes down to the same thing.

And people go, well, then since we don't know,

can I just take it anyway?

Yeah.

But we also don't know if it's long term effects of it can harm you.

Right.

Once you're sitting there with an operable cancer

because you took some thing that has not been studied,

now you get yourself a problem.

You know, wish you hadn't done it, right?

Because if you look at most of these studies,

they'll say the study was done for

X amount of days.

So we think it's safe to take it for this period of time.

They don't know what the long term effects are.

And then there's stuff like this started coming around

in the late 80s and early 90s, DHA.

We still don't know what DHA does.

And by the way, there's so many forms of DHA,

some of them will kill you, right?

Like you can't even get them.

But DHA is sold as, you know,

there's keto seven DHA,

which does not do the same thing as regular DHA.

And then there's other forms that are out there.

And people ask me on time,

should I be taking this?

And the answer is, talk to your doctor.

Because DHA is something that we make a lot out of when we're younger.

But as we get older, we make less.

Could supplementing with it help?

Maybe, maybe studies have been done with, you know,

where it doesn't do a whole lot for people who are young,

taking it, but people who are older,

and exercising, it showed some effects.

And I think some of that was done with, you know,

doing it intramuscular, right?

They're just shooting it into these people.

And they're doing, you know,

high doses for short periods.

So we don't know if taking like a DHA pill,

if it's good or bad, we just don't know.

Right?

Suzanne Summers wrote whole books on it.

You need to be taking this stuff.

Look at me, I'm beautiful.

Well, she's dead now.

Right?

I don't know where Kilda, she died of some kind of cancer.

Who knows if that hurt or not?

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Chris, I'm making sense so far

because there's so much we can talk about

in the world of Ergo Genics.

Yeah.

I think let's talk a little bit about

charms and peptides

and then move into

which Ergo Genics actually makes sense

for people to take a look at.

Because so far it sounds like all bad news.

And it's really not.

It's just most of the things that people talk about

are the things that

don't have a ton of science behind them.

Right.

Which is hilarious to me

because the stuff that works

is really basic stuff that has

tons of science behind it.

But no one talks about it

because it's not fancy.

Well, before we get into so arms,

let's talk about one or two

Ergo Genics that we know work.

One being coffee.

Caffeinated coffee and RT.

But coffee seems to do a great job

when it comes to Ergo Genics.

Right.

People think, oh, it's just a stimulant

listening out and holding.

They're perceived effort

when you work out.

While you're having coffee

is much lower.

Both aerobically and anaerobically

than it is if you didn't have coffee at all.

We also know that for each cup of coffee

you drink every day,

you have a lower risk of overall heart disease.

Right.

And look, you know, people,

or caffeine is a drug.

Okay, maybe so.

But it's inert.

Right.

And we've been drinking coffee

for eons, thousands of years.

No one's ever died from a cup of coffee.

It's a matter of fact.

Next to water is probably the healthiest thing you can drink.

Right.

When I played college football,

we had one of those.

You know those big,

there were two of them,

the big giant thing,

the big tower of coffee.

We had those when we were walking

into the locker room at Slane.

They had two of those

where you could just fill up a cup right there.

And while you're getting dressed,

drink a cup of coffee,

they knew back then that,

you know, they used to do these commercials.

You know, the coffee generation,

coffee achievers.

Right.

We knew back then that you do better on coffee

than not doing on coffee.

And coffee's one of the things to go back and forth.

And I get it.

I own a coffee company.

And I'm not saying you have to buy my coffee.

You go buy a cheapest coffee in the world.

Folgers.

Works just as good.

Done taste is good.

But it works just as good.

Or just as well.

I guess I should say.

So.

Yeah, that's an ergogenic.

Also, um,

creatine.

You know, creatine monohydrate.

To be more specific.

Is the most studied supplement on the planet.

You know, we knew it was good for athletes.

Right.

It, it works within your crep cycle.

Our body makes this stuff naturally.

So you don't want to take a lot of it.

But you can supplement with it.

We also get it from animal protein.

Surprise, surprise.

But if you take a little extra,

it can help in the crep cycle.

So that you can contract muscles for a little longer.

And get, you know, squeeze more energy out of every drop.

Pretty much.

We know this to be fact.

Taking more ain't better.

We know that.

Now there's studies showing that it has a lot to do with brain help.

It, health is helping women with menopause.

And if you get a bad night's sleep,

or you had to stay up and do all night or whatever,

for whatever reason,

taking a lot more, you know,

like a copious amount of creatine the next day,

upwards of 20 grams,

could literally wipe out the feeling of not getting sleep.

Now, if you're doing that over and over again, good luck.

But if you, you know,

something happened one night,

you know, your kid was throwing up all night.

You got a hard day at work the next day.

Instead of taking you five grams in a morning,

take 10 grams and then at the next time,

take another 10 grams.

And you'll make it through that day.

Right. That's what I'm talking about.

If you're doing,

if you're trying to rely on this stuff day in and day out,

just taking that kind of

creatine and missing out on sleep, good luck.

Because nothing,

and I mean nothing,

will beat getting good sleep,

period in the story.

Press.

I think the other one

that you mentioned it earlier

is just protein.

Getting real, complete protein

is something that people need to pay attention to.

And we're starting to see,

I think we talked about this,

in September or October of last year,

Vinnie, all of the food companies,

even Starbucks now has protein lattes.

Now, if you look at it,

it's hot garbage,

like most of the stuff from Starbucks.

But people are finally coming around

to understanding the importance of protein.

If you have to get it from a powder,

you can get it from a powder,

just make sure you're getting real protein,

get something like way,

or egg white protein.

That's not going to be

filled with a whole bunch of other crap.

But the ideal way to do that

is with red meat, chicken, eggs,

and fish,

like what you were talking about earlier.

Right.

And if you're taking those three things,

you know, creatine, caffeine, and protein,

that covers 90% of the effects

that you're going to hear people talking about

from all of the wide range of things.

You can take caffeine on its own,

you want to take it up a notch,

drink coffee,

you get all of the anti-inflammatory benefits,

all of the additional benefits of taking it

in the whole form versus taking the powder,

same thing anywhere else.

The only thing you can't really do that with is creatine.

You can eat more steak,

but you can't supplement that way.

Does that make sense?

Makes sense.

You want to top those levels off.

You want to be looking at a creatine supplement.

But other than that,

in terms of increasing athletic performance,

is there anything that you think people need to look at

from an ergo genic or an athletic improvement perspective

to really get the most out of their workouts?

Well, you know, being well hydrated

is always number one.

Right.

So making sure you have a proper amount of water,

you know, just drinking early.

In other words,

if you're not drinking all day,

I was like,

oh, I'm going to the gym in an hour

and you just try to stop guzzling water.

That's not...

You can't hydrate that way.

You want to make sure that you're drinking water consistently

throughout the day,

getting your electrolytes in,

because, you know,

we talk about this in a diet.

We don't get everything we need anymore.

We know that we're lacking in magnesium.

Almost every American is lacking in magnesium.

We don't get it from the food anymore

because of all of the monocropping that goes on

and everything else.

Same with electrolytes.

If you want the water to count

and you want to feel it during your workout,

take an electrolyte.

And I'm not talking about gatorade here

or powerade or sportade.

If you don't want to take my product,

which is ultra salt,

might I recommend S-caps or salt sticks?

I'm not here to try to sell you my product

even though it is superior to those two.

Those are the only other two

that I used to take before I made one myself.

So there are different ways to do that.

And by the way,

it's kind of like taking an aerogenic anyway

because you're topping yourself off.

You're going to give yourself the best chance

they have the best workout.

And if you're not working out that day,

you're going to give yourself the best chance

to not feel sluggish,

not have headaches, not going,

oh, I'm just tired.

And I don't feel like you're yawning throughout the day.

None of that happens when you have enough water

and enough.

My wife used to say to me sometimes,

I got a little brain fog.

It's like, you know what?

Go drink.

Go drink some water.

Get two eight ounce glasses of water

and you're going to feel instantly better.

And she does the thing now

where she goes,

if I feel weird or whatever,

I just drink water and I feel better.

Hungry.

Yeah.

Is another one.

Mm-hmm.

Most people don't know the difference

because they're not properly hydrated.

So you go, oh, I'm hungry.

If you're somebody that's struggling

on the weight side of this,

before you go eat something,

unless it's obviously a meal time, right,

in between.

Right, right, right.

Drink some water.

And a lot of times that will curb that.

It will even curb the,

the hangry, right?

You don't need a snickers.

You probably just need some water

and some electrolytes.

Yeah, yeah.

I tell people all the time that,

you know, when I do the consults,

they'll say, oh,

wake up at three in the morning.

I'm starving.

It's like,

keep a glass of water next to the bed.

And drink the water.

And you're going to realize

that you weren't actually hungry.

You were thirsty.

And it works.

It weren't,

plain simpler works.

Right.

Absolutely.

So Vinnie,

now that people have a better idea

of what they should be looking at,

let's talk about the,

the giant elephants,

or should I say the Tyrannosaurus Rex

in the room,

which are peptides and sarms.

I'm going to lump those together

because they're used the same way.

They're not technically the same thing,

but people will get a pretty good idea

of what they are.

Most people are familiar with peptides now

because of GLP ones, right?

You're regovies and all of that.

Happy stuff,

which by the way,

we've talked about it here yet,

but you and I were talking about it

on the VIP call the other day.

Have you seen any of the articles

about the new side effects from GLP ones?

Every day this seems to be a new side effect.

What was it again?

I'm going to remember it when you tell me.

Scurvy.

Yes, scurvy.

Something we haven't,

you know,

it's pirate days the last time scurvy was around now.

All of the headlines were like,

a pirate disease on the comeback.

Yeah.

It's a criss.

Let's give a definition of storms.

It's an acronym.

Yes, selective androgen receptor modulators.

And peptides are peptides.

Okay.

So small chemical chains.

Right.

Okay.

So explain how storms are different than steroids.

Pretend I'm in second grade

and give me the definition.

So my understanding of this,

and correct me if you understand this differently,

a steroid directly increases

things like testosterone.

Right.

A storm,

which is designed to

stimulate your receptors,

is more of like the precursors to that.

So theoretically,

instead of giving you a massive dose of testosterone,

it increases your ability to

create testosterone or to burn fat,

some of those kinds of things.

So they're,

they're modulating specific things,

rather than it being a,

your favorite scientific word,

or a deep bolus of testosterone,

it's turning specific things on in your body

to achieve a specific result,

be it increasing testosterone,

burning more fat,

any of those kinds of things.

Okay.

Good job.

Now, the problem is most people

will go, wait a minute,

I'm doing this naturally.

No, you're not.

This drug is causing you to do something.

A lot of drugs work this way.

Right.

If your body's not doing it by itself,

taking something to cause your body to do it,

will also have side effects.

Sores come with side effects,

and these side effects can be dangerous,

very dangerous.

People have died from them.

A lot of these bodybuilders start going,

wait, I'm not taking it,

I'm not taking all this,

I'm, I'm cutting back on this,

I'm stacking with sores and everything else.

They never saw their 30th birthday.

I'm not making this up.

People thought it was a,

a free-for-all,

but it's not.

And now, because everyone's

on a GLP1, which is a peptide,

they're looking at other peptides.

There's a peptide for everything.

Chris, did you know there's a peptide

that can make you horny?

I'm not kidding.

Like, they, they basically have

like a Spanish fly version of the peptide.

Do you know my favorite peptide, Vinnie?

I think you and I have talked about this.

Is this BP 157,

which everyone asked me about?

No.

Malano tan,

which triggers melanin,

so it gives you a full body tan,

but the side effect of it

is it's basically viagra.

Or really?

So you get a little bit of both with that one.

Yeah.

Well, I think that's the one

that I'm thinking about that

makes, it makes women want to have sex too.

It's not probably.

Yeah, there's one that you can take

and boom, all of a sudden,

okay, anything that does that

to your body that fast,

you're not wondering what else is doing.

Right?

And everyone goes, well, BP 157

saves, it just causes your body to,

but it's like,

when did you become a scientist?

A scientist.

Number one.

You know, when you read it on the internet,

and now you're a damn scientist,

because the internet never gets things wrong,

not that I've ever seen.

Oh, wait, that's right.

They get everything wrong.

They get everything wrong.

But you, you see the point of making here, right?

It's,

if it's causing your body,

if it's making your body protect something,

it can also make something grow

in an abnormal way,

including cancer cells,

which brings me to steroids.

People ask me all the time,

it's like,

what do you have against HGH,

human growth hormones?

Well,

it doesn't just cause your body

to grow new cells,

and muscles,

and bones,

and ligaments,

and tendons.

If you're susceptible to cancer,

it will make that grow too.

If you already have cancer,

it could just magnify it

and you could be dead in no time.

But you have against,

what was the one,

HRT, right?

Hormone replacement therapy.

Nothing.

Take it.

Fine.

But just know that it does not come

free of side effects.

And then as TRT,

you see it's the same stuff

that they call the different things

for different people.

HRT, you see it sounds good.

This is Hormone replacement therapy, Chris.

And I know women go,

oh, what,

we're not supposed to feel good.

No,

I'm not saying that you shouldn't take it.

I'm just letting you know

it ain't a free lunch.

And I also know that

it's helped a lot of women.

I know this,

because I talked to these women

and it's like,

I was about to kill myself,

or I felt like crap all the time.

This has changed my life.

I feel young again.

I feel good again.

Okay.

That's great.

But don't think you're doing that

without causing an effect

somewhere else.

Endudes.

Just because you can't get it up,

or you can't get it up like you used to,

or it doesn't get as hard as a

tending nail,

taking TRT,

ain't your thing.

And if you think,

oh, I'm going to take that,

I'm going to go to Jim and pump up a little bit.

Okay.

What are you doing?

Literally, what are you doing?

You're going to put yourself

in that kind of jeopardy,

just to go fucking bench press.

Are you insane?

That's an insane notion.

Well, then, I couldn't lose that,

and I couldn't put on muscle.

Well, you know what?

You weren't trying hard enough.

Sorry.

Sorry.

You know what raises,

you know what raises testosterone,

naturally, if any?

Working out,

yelling into a mic.

Lifting heavy things,

eating correctly.

Right?

Getting sunlight and vitamin D.

And sleep.

All of those things.

Yeah.

Well, increase your testosterone,

naturally.

And if you're not,

if you don't have those three areas dialed in,

you're not getting regular sunlight,

you're not supplementing with vitamin D

if that's something that you need to do.

You're not eating well.

You're not sleeping well at night,

and you're not lifting heavy things.

There's zero reason to look at TRT as a man

until you've done those other things.

I'm sure there's one exception to that,

but generally speaking,

there's no reason to look at that.

Fix everything else,

and then figure it out.

And by the way,

you're right there, Chris,

because most people don't look at everything else first.

They just look at,

you know,

I could just take this,

I can inject this,

or put this pellet in,

or rub this cream on me or whatever,

and it's going to be fine.

Well, okay,

so now you're saying you're going to be on that

for the rest of your life?

Because that's basically what you're saying,

that I'm going to just do this for the rest of my life.

It's the shortcuts that are the problem,

and I was having this conversation just the other day

about GLP ones.

The problem,

the biggest problem,

beyond the side effects that I see with GLP ones,

is it puts you into a hamster wheel,

because it's not paired for most people,

at least,

it's not paired with,

hey, fix your shit.

Right, right?

It's do this,

you will lose weight.

Cool.

You want to stop taking GLP ones

and keep eating protein to reos?

You're going to get fat again.

Right.

If you don't fix the underlying issue,

it's not to say that GLP ones have never helped anybody,

because they have.

But using that as the shortcut

to fixing the bigger problem,

just like using TRT as a shortcut

to fix the bigger problem,

you miss the entire point

of fixing the underlying issue,

and all you're doing is putting a bandaid

on a grenade wound.

Yeah, right?

You're going to stop a little bit of bleeding,

but it's not really going to do anything for you long term,

and the side effects,

especially if you're not fixing all

of the other stuff that you're doing wrong,

are not worth it.

I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more.

And I talk to these folks every day.

You know, some people,

you know, they're at the beginning

of their GLP one thing.

And that's fine.

And I'm happy for them.

They're losing weight.

But while I'm talking to them,

I'm trying to get them to understand,

can I get you to start working out?

Can I get you to eat right?

And that's usually why they call me.

They want to eat right.

Right.

They started doing this,

but they don't want.

I get it.

People want to do it.

Let's get this rolling.

And then teach me how to eat.

Fine.

But it's not just teaching me how to eat.

It's teaching me how to eat.

And work out.

Because what we know from GLP ones is that

you're going to lose more muscle than you're going to lose

by just losing weight by itself.

No matter what you do,

if you're losing weight,

you're going to lose muscle.

It just comes with the program.

You know, where you might lose

20% of your muscle,

naturally, if you're losing weight,

you could lose up to 50.

And some people are saying 60%.

If you're taking a GLP one,

and you're not exercising at the same time,

I think I told the story of the lady and the gym.

It might have been in a VIP group.

Chris, I talk into this mic so much.

I can't remember where I say what.

Lady and the gym really tall woman,

like six one,

really tall woman.

And she was a good looking woman,

but now all of a sudden,

you know, she was a little older.

So she had a little hips on her

and a whole thing,

a little saddle baggy looking thing.

It's all gone.

But now her ass is completely flat.

And the muscle tone she had in her upper body,

it's all gone.

She almost looks like she was ravaged by cancer.

I even asked,

I asked the guy at the gym,

his name was Mike.

I said Mike,

does she?

He goes, no.

No, no.

GLP ones.

She's all proud of it.

She can't even fill out the tights anymore.

The tights are baggy.

Can you imagine Saggy assing a tight?

Poof.

Come on.

Right?

Where she's going to stay on the GLP ones.

She was, she had to lose that weight so badly,

that quickly,

that now she looks like that.

Now she's got a different problem.

See, the problems don't stop.

And now if she doesn't get off of the GLP ones,

she's going to have a whole different problem.

And I hate to go down this road like this,

but that's the whole deal.

You know, everybody's looking for a way out.

And the way out,

the best way out is to do it naturally.

Eat right,

cut out all processed foods,

cut out sugars and grains,

seed oils,

eat less, exercise more.

It's simple,

but that's boring.

What I talk about here is boring, right?

I get it.

I get it.

It's, it's easier to do it the other way.

And because we don't see the long-term effects,

you see the instant weight loss,

or you feel better because you started doing TRT,

you assume that it's doing a good thing for you.

And the truth is,

the boring stuff is the stuff that works,

whether it's weight loss,

exercise,

or what we're talking about today,

ergo genics, right?

What are the things we said that are the best ways

to improve your athletic performance?

Coffee and creatine.

Creatine and real protein, right?

So coffee,

creatine,

and animals,

yeah, right?

Very real food.

Drink a couple cups of coffee,

and if you want to supplement with something,

supplement with creatine,

it's the most studied supplement on the planet.

We know that it has great effects on exercise,

and it looks like it has some really powerful effects on the brain.

If you're doing anything other than that,

you really want to take a look at what you're doing.

Because chances are,

you're going to fall into one of those short-cut traps.

And by the way,

before we go,

there's people who ask me about things like citrally

and an L-arginian,

an L-arginian,

and all this kind of stuff,

or anything, I'm sorry.

And again, all of that,

in clinical trials,

in in vitro,

and all this different stuff,

they've gotten it to work to a small degree.

But it's never worked orally.

And again,

if it did,

the IOC and water would,

you know, just right away,

nope,

you can't do it,

you can't do it,

but they don't.

Right?

The other thing,

I mean, it's not,

it's not the point of this conversation today,

but it's something that is very common in the supplement market,

is fairy-dusting.

Are you familiar with that term, Vinnie?

No, this is the first time hearing.

So they'll take something like arginine

that has some,

or beta-alini,

that's, that's a big one.

That's always my favorite, yeah.

Beta-alini has some decent science behind it,

but the dosage of it,

it like makes you itchy.

Right?

The dose that you would need to get

is not a dose that anybody would take,

but a lot of these pre-workouts

or ergo-genic pills

will have beta-alini

because they know it's something that's in the headlines.

But instead of,

I don't know what the dosage is,

200 milligrams is the study dose

or whatever,

they'll put two

just so that they can have it on the label

as something that's in there.

And that'll be the thing that they're marketing

because there's some science behind it.

And when you really dig into a lot of these other things,

you have to take ridiculous dosages

of them to get them to work orally

or they just don't work at all

because they studied them in rats

and went,

yeah, that probably worked.

Well, you know,

let's, let's use beta-alini

as, you know,

because that's a good one.

I'm glad you brought it up.

And I give it you saying you,

you put enough in just a very dust amount

to say,

hey, it's in there.

You're going to get the benefits.

If,

and I don't know what it is,

but let's say 200 milligrams

is the amount you need

in order to have any kind of

ergo-genic effect.

Folks, it will make you so flush

to take that much of that.

You know, Chris said it makes you feel itchy.

It feels like you're naked

with nothing but like rough wool

all over your body.

And your whole body turns red

and purple and, you know,

it's just,

it might even cause a headache at that amount.

You want to walk around feeling like that

for the next five hours?

Because that's what's going to happen.

Vinnie, four to six grams per day.

Jesus.

Is the studied dosage.

That's a lot.

And the, the suggestion that they have is,

oh, take it in one gram servings

to avoid the tingling

or the, what's it called,

paresthesia.

Yeah, right.

Like to avoid the giant flush.

So basically you have to take it all day every day

or you walk around looking like a raspberry

drug addict.

Just in yourself.

Well, you'll see those guys at the gym.

They, they look purple.

They're faced.

They look like they're about to die from hypertension.

Right?

That's all that is.

They're taking a ton of pre-workout

that have alanine in it and,

you know, niacin.

You know, the niacin.

It's the same as the niacin flush.

It's the same flush.

They're taking all this stuff to get blood flow.

So they get the big veins while they're working out.

It doesn't do anything.

If it did anything,

I would do it.

It doesn't do anything.

Right?

So we'll make, we can make that the final word, right?

I think people get what we're getting out here.

Yeah.

If you're looking to boost performance,

three simple things.

If you need some energy before you're getting into the gym,

have some caffeine,

ideally in the form of something like coffee.

Yeah.

If you're a tea person,

you can do that.

Don't,

there's no reason to buy a pre-workout powder,

any of those kinds of things.

All that's going to do is make it itchy from beta alanine

or give you 500 milligrams of caffeine,

which is my favorite.

You know,

you look at the back of a pre-workout jar

and it's like 600 milligrams of caffeine.

It's like,

oh my god.

That's what,

Vinnie, six,

six espresso.

Yeah.

Seven espresso,

because you're talking 90 to 100 milligrams of caffeine.

Right.

What you need before you go to the gym is a head exploding

amount of caffeine.

A little bit of coffee,

some real protein.

And if you want to add something in,

add in some creatine.

By the way,

anything else?

Yeah.

I might as well throw this in.

You know,

I always says to three teens,

protein, nicotine, and caffeine.

People ask me about nicotine.

And, you know,

because a lot of like,

Jillian Michaels,

oh, take all the nicotine you want in the whole thing.

A small amount of nicotine has,

kind of like caffeine has shown some kind of results.

But,

you know,

and nicotine by itself is inert.

If you don't,

you know,

I'm not talking about smoking cigarettes, folks.

You know,

if you,

they make these nicotine patches

or nicotine gum or nicotine,

like,

you put it in your mouth,

like dip or whatever.

Yeah.

And I'm not saying you should even do it.

But nicotine is inert by itself

when it's not mixed with tar

and everything else in the cigarette.

That's going to kill you.

Um,

but why do it

when you could get everything you need from coffee?

That's the way I look at it.

So,

you know,

some people like putting a little pouch in their mouth

and go work out.

That seems to be a thing right now.

I don't know,

I don't know what else they're mixing in those pouches

or anything about them.

Doesn't nicotine construct blood flow?

I think it does.

Okay.

Can we look that up really fast?

I don't know enough about it.

I just know that it's inert

and it's not going to really hurt you or

but it might not be good.

It produces peripheral blood flow

and increases blood pressure and heart rate.

Okay.

Probably not the thing you should be taking

before a workout.

Yeah.

Just thinking.

So there you go.

There you go.

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You know,

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Oh Chris.

Almost feel I'll bring it up anyway.

The stuff about our ultrasound,

you know,

like literally one guy's,

literally who have one guy complaining

about this out of everyone.

A couple of other people have asked us about it

and we've given him the answer.

Folks, it's the same great ingredients.

Sometimes companies will

micronize the ingredients differently

and they won't just dissolve in water.

And that's what's going on there.

Can I say that any other way?

Did I make that very clear?

Yeah, so in the past,

it's almost always mixed well with water.

This time it's not.

And it just has to do with how they blended everything.

Right.

And the form of the magnesium that we use

in the ultrasound.

If you're a mixer,

we love you.

We've talked to our partners

and they've started implementing

what they call my new favorite scientific word mixability testing.

Right.

Before they run the formula to make sure

that it doesn't happen again.

But this most recent batch.

Just take it as the capsule,

or you will find my,

I think the terminology that I saw the other day

was a floating white island.

Yeah.

Yeah.

On top of your water.

It's going to mix a little bit,

but it's not going to mix nearly as well.

But by the way,

we've never said that this product is meant to be opened and mixed.

It's just something that I personally do.

I do it with my water bottles here.

And by the way,

I still put them in here.

You know,

I'm on the ones now that float on top too.

I just given a really hard shake

before I open it up and drink it down.

And it's fine.

It's just fine.

But the product is still the same great product.

I just thought I'd mention it to you guys.

We're not effing up the product or whatever.

And I think someone's trying to make a case.

We've offered that customer his money back.

You know,

I'm not here to screw anybody over for any reason or whatever.

I just want to make sure all of you guys are happy.

Right.

So that's what's going on there.

But since people do like to open them up

and make sure it mixes,

we're working on that.

We're always looking to improve at PureVitaminClub.com.

So there you have it.

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And since I work in telehealth,

my embroidered figs even double as my ID badge.

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