Loading...
Loading...

Planning a wedding shouldn't feel overwhelming.
The knot brings everything together in one place, vendors who get your vibe, a custom planning
checklist, guest list tools, and a free wedding website that syncs with it all.
So instead of juggling a dozen apps and spreadsheets, you can actually enjoy getting married.
Get started at the knot.com slash audio.
The knot.
Let's plan your wedding together!
Welcome back to Tockie Files, I'm Paige, and I'm Natalie.
Next week for those who want to follow along in the group chat, we are watching the man with
a thousand kids.
It's available on Netflix, but this week we are discussing the documentary on Netflix.
Amy Bradley is missing.
About a dream cruise that turned into a nightmare for a specific family in March of 1998.
23-year-old Amy Bradley boarded a seven-day Caribbean cruise with her family.
It departed from San Juan, Puerto Rico, with stops in Aruba, Carousel, St. Martin, and
St. Thomas.
I've actually been on that same cruise.
The thing that struck me the most about this trip was they weren't just vacationing.
These parents, Amy's parents, won the cruise through a company contest.
They were both insurance agents through Illinois Mutual.
They were allowed to bring their two adult children, Amy, who was 23 and Brad, who's 21, which,
by the way, Brad Bradley is his name.
Why do we do that?
Moving on, but why do we do that?
He didn't seem to mind it, but yeah, so this whole cruise, this whole family vacation
was be celebratory, it was earned, it's a rare family time together, and then she vanishes.
That's the setup.
You're really paying us a picture in such a perfect light of how special this moment was
for the family.
There's even a moment in the documentary where I believe it's Amy's mom mentions that
it wasn't just the person who won that got to go.
We all got to go as a family.
And it wasn't just me and Amy's dad, like, we all got to go, and this just wasn't something
that this middle class family typically got to do.
And you also have to think too, Amy was 23, Brad's 21.
These are older kids.
They've graduated college.
I believe so you graduated college.
She had just been hired for her first big girl job and moved into her own apartment.
They were probably going to be having a lot more limited family time in the very near future.
So this was like the last time the Bradley family was going to be able to be just the
four of them before significant others entered the picture before.
Big kid jobs didn't allow them to have vacation time.
And so this was a time for them to just rebel in the fact of like, this is our little family
at this moment.
And let's enjoy ourselves cherishing a moment that they might not ever get back.
I can think of a similar vacation in my family life where you're starting to get older,
everybody might be able to be on all the same vacations.
It's not that you don't see each other.
It's just that a chapter is quickly closing of being a younger family into, hey,
we're all adults.
You guys may have your own families in the very near future.
Like let's just soak this in in an experience that we've never been able to do before.
And unfortunately it did end tragically with still not a lot of answers, but plenty of theories.
And a little bit of a twist at the end.
So you guys are going to have to stay tuned to hear a little bit more about that.
Natalie just set that up so beautifully.
I literally had to pause and be like, wait, I want to make sure we're exactly on the
same page of what you're talking about.
We are.
We are so many twists and turns and moving pieces to this case.
I had to make sure I knew exactly which specific one she was talking about.
Let's take it back to the family getting on the boat.
That's a really big day for them.
It's kind of a bit of a chuckle when they look back because this family of four
grown people is cramming into this one, not that huge room, but they did have a nice balcony,
which ends up a point of interest because it's the last place that Amy has seen.
Amy and her brother are really close.
So they were really enjoying this last night before they pulled into, were they pulling into
Curacao? There were so many different islands that Natalie listed a lot of them,
but I think they were pulling into Curacao.
Correct.
Well, I also took a lot of notes.
So they did stop at Aruba prior to this last night on the boat.
We say last night, it's really Amy's last night.
It's not the last night of the cruise.
That's right.
So they had pulled into Aruba and I guess Amy didn't want to get off, even though she
had been invited off by a few crew members.
And then they had a day at sea and then this next stop was Curacao.
I have never been on a cruise and you probably won't catch me on one just for a lot of different reasons.
It's not to say that I think a cruise is a negative vacation in any way.
There's just a lot of personal reasons and these actually affect this case.
It's this international waters issue, not only just pulling into a different country.
Curacao, it's what happened on the boat and being able to get any information,
being able to get any kind of help and any kind of reporting done.
That can be difficult.
That affects this case.
I think a lot of people don't realize that when you are on a cruise, you may be an American citizen,
but the person in charge of you at that point is the captain.
You're in your own little floating country and the captain is in charge of everyone.
That is correct.
And there are days or nights at sea, especially depending on the type of cruise you're doing.
You might have like a day or two at sea before docking, which is why I kind of use this
garbage of the last night before hitting Curacao, meaning there's all these different
kind of moments or chapters of each cruise and you're going to get different experiences.
The flying cruise is no different, even though it's all the same state.
It's different islands and there are overnight moments in between when you're just at sea.
And yes, the captain is very, very much in charge and makes decisions.
Amy did have a really good time on this cruise.
They were going out.
They were participating in activities.
They were partying.
I mean, they were partying.
There was quite the nightlife.
And after a night of dancing and having a really good time with family and then her brother,
they went back like four or five a.m. very early in the morning.
And her brother decides, okay, I'm going to bed and they tried not to wake up the parents again.
They're all sharing this room, which is another reason why I wanted to mention that.
And as they're getting ready to, you know, I don't know what you, what do you call it, make
ports, set the dock down.
I'm giggling because I have no, I have none of the vernacular here.
That's how little interest she has in ever getting on a cruise.
She didn't even bother to figure out what it's called.
I'm just kidding.
After knowing of this case since the early 2000s, plus another case that I can think of,
where I think just like a purse was left behind.
And they never found her.
I really wish we knew her name because if it is still unsolved,
I would love for us to talk about it on our true crime coverage.
But all that to say, things do happen on these cruise ships and the captains in charge
in making these decisions.
So these decisions to captain was making in terms of this case happen after Amy and her brother
get back to go into the room like I was saying and her brother goes to bed.
And she decides she's going to watch the sunrise and or watch a say make their way into Curacao.
And she wants to also smoke a cigarette, which is another important thing to know about Amy.
She was a 90s smoker.
I was going to say I think she was out there smoking a cigarette coming down from a lot of dancing
the nightclub. We did learn that a significant amount of people, primarily crew members paid
attention to her while she was dancing at the nightclub. She danced with a few crew members,
specifically a band member named Alistair Yellow Douglas. Yellow is his nickname because at one
point he had yellow hair when he's on this cruise, he does not have yellow hair, but he's still
went by yellow. And so like you're saying, her brother went back a little bit earlier than her.
And it was still like 4am and they know this because the key cards that they use on each door,
state room door, it logs what time someone enters in the room. It doesn't keep track of when they
exit though. And that's a big thing. That is a huge thing because it really stops anybody from
understanding maybe even exactly who was entering, but knowing how long were they in there. And then
you add into the banks that there were four people because her dad actually sort of woke up, saw
Amy on the balcony and then left. I think just to kind of take a walk around the deck, probably watch
the ship roll into. I think that's a thing on cruises. I'm going to give you a little bit of
correction. Please correct me because it's a lot going on and I need to get the facts straight.
I only remember because I wrote it down a lot a lot of specifics because I knew I was wanting to
remember this. He woke up at 5.30. He looks out on the balcony, sees Amy's legs outstretched.
Yes, kind of just her feet. Yes. And I thought that was interesting. So like he didn't see her face,
he didn't see if she was sleeping, he didn't see if she was intoxicated, he didn't see what she
looked like. He saw her legs. And so he knew that she was physically there.
Right, but was she sleeping? Was she passed out? Is she awake? Was she in the head by someone else?
Was somebody there? Yeah, exactly. I think a lot of it has to do with the angle that he was able to see
out of the bed. And also again, all the adults, he's not thinking a something horrific might happen.
She's about to go missing. But B, I mean, this is an adult, like let's give an adult child a
little privacy. Okay. You know, they're sharing a small state room, as you say. That's probably he's
given her space. He gives her space. He goes back to bed for an hour. He wakes up around 630. And
that's when he realizes she's missing. And she's not in the room anymore. And she's not in bed. And
it's not like he has very much space to cover to look for her in the state room. It's pretty much
looking at floor corners of the room. Okay, she's not in the room. She's not in the balcony. Where could
she be? He leaves and goes to walk around the ship. He kind of had like a gut feeling that it was
a bit odd because she wasn't in bed. So he must have been thinking and he could have said this in
the documentary. Maybe she never went to bed or did she leave. So he kind of does go on a walk about
hoping that he's going to run into her. He was almost kind of assuming that he would, although
cruise ships are huge. But at this point, it's kind of become home away from home. They've had
another couple of stops. Like they've been on it for a while a few days. Yeah. I think you're right.
The way he tells it, and I don't know if this memory has been colored by what eventually happened,
but it sounds like he had that gut worry. And then he had this hopefulness when he went out to
search for her of maybe this gut feeling isn't an overreaction. So he does go look for her and he's
walks around the ship and he realizes like Amy's not here. So he returns to the state room,
wakes up the wife, wakes up the son and lets them know they can't find Amy. And the ship's about
to pour in carousel. And there's this worry of if we pour and people start leaving and we don't
know where Amy is. What if someone responsible for her going missing? What if she leaves? What,
you know, too many things can happen. They need to go to ship the ship authority, the ship authority,
the crew members. They want to let the captain know what's happening. And so they raise alarms.
This is actually where one of the first mistakes in this case comes up. The captain once notified
that Amy as missing says, I'm not going to make up all of the passengers. Again, this is like kind of
like a bit of a party crowd. They're having lots of fun. It was. It was super early. I get why the
captain made this choice to a certain extent because she's a 23 year old woman. You know, maybe
she is somewhere on the boat. We don't know. I'm not going to wake a bunch of people up for somebody
that, you know, where could they have gone? We've been at sea. Like where could this person be? So
he doesn't make an announcement. He's not willing to do that just yet. They do end up doing that.
Okay. But it was, you know, every minute is so important when somebody goes missing literally,
probably every second. So that announcement may have changed a course of something. We don't know
what that would have been. And we don't know if that would have made it so that Amy was found.
Because it's not like this announcement would have come with like a picture or anything. But if
there was a little information of, you know, she's missing. This is what she looks like. She's
missing since this time. That maybe maybe not going to help. But he also says, and I'm not going to
not disembark people. We're pulling in. They're getting off the boat. And it's like, I feel like
nobody should have been let off that boat. But hindsight is always 2020. We don't understand why
the captain is making these choices. And people spend a lot of money on cruises. They don't want to
be holed up. Well, they search for somebody, but like at the same time, like somebody is missing.
Can we have a little community and put the dollar aside, wait and out in extra hour or two before
everybody's let off the boat? Yeah, I actually have a quote that explains the ships thinking. Actually,
it's from the cruise director Kirk. And he appears in the documentary. And I literally had to
pause the documentary and write it verbatim because it was something that struck me as completely
unempathetic. This cruise director says, we're not going to stop everybody's cruise just because
there was a missing girl. That's one family's unfortunate incident. But we still had 2400 people
who paid a lot of money. And as cold as that sounds, that's the reality. That statement may be
logistically honest, but it really morally feels like a corporate villain.
Something that corporate villain would say. It absolutely is. Listen, these decisions are
probably made so that somebody higher up isn't getting pissed off. But to even think somebody's
going to be pissed off because we're searching for a missing person, I feel like if it was a child,
I would hope that there would have been more pep in their step. I think we know now almost 30
years later that it doesn't matter how old a missing woman is trafficking exists, especially when
it comes to international waters because these things can be easier to evade the law between two
different countries. Well, there's just so many possibilities that could have happened. She could
have been taken. She could have wandered off confused. She could have fallen off the ship accidentally
or purposefully, which is questioned by the crew. Someone could have helped her off the ship by
docking at the port and letting 2400 passengers off. You're contaminating any possible crime scene.
You're letting possible witnesses go. It just feels so reckless. I feel like they had such an
opportunity to contain this situation in the regard that whatever or whoever happened to Amy
probably hadn't gotten off the boat yet. Or if they did, it would have had to have been on some
kind of like lifeboat dinghy thing. But I don't know that it was seen or heard or that any kind of
lifeboat situation was used to get anybody off the boat that evening. So it's like, yeah, she could have
been there being held somewhere, suit case, anything. She wasn't a large girl. That's what some
of her loved ones mentioned, right? She was this past little small, statured woman. She could have
fit in a large suitcase. Unfortunately, the announcement that they eventually made at 750 was a little too
late. It's kind of worthless, though, if you ask me, tell them what it says, honestly. Will Amy
Bradley please come to the person's desk? Like, no, she's not going to come to the person's desk.
She's missing. Her family's been looking for her. What do you think? She's just going to say,
oh, well, here I am. Yeah. What do you think anybody who might be trafficking her or has harmed her,
or is keeping her in any single way that's going to do with that? They're going to be like,
awesome. They're not even acting like she's missing. They're just acting like her family can't
find her, but it doesn't give that edge of this person. Amy Bradley, who a lot of people on this
boat saw last night out is missing. So if you have seen her, please help her make her way to the
person's desk. I said, that hard. And I get it. Like, you don't want to create chaos, especially when
you have such a contained vessel, like a boat, but I mean, we really needed some more urgency there.
Nobody that heard that understood that she was missing. All they understood was, oh,
they're being paged because it can be difficult to locate a loved one on this giant floating
hotel or resort. Nothing hits like home cooking. And HelloFresh makes it weirdly,
wonderfully easy to actually do it full disclosure. I'm not the chef in my household. My husband
usually handles that. I'm more of a moral support and playlist curator in the kitchen,
but HelloFresh makes me feel like I have a secret superpower. The instructions are clear. Everything's
portioned. And suddenly I'm pulling off a dinner that looks and tastes like I knew what I was doing
all along. You can choose from over 100 recipes every week with cuisines from around the world
and comfort meals that genuinely lift a gray winter mood plus bigger portions, which we appreciate.
And there are also 35 plus high protein options, including Mediterranean and GLP-1 friendly meals,
made with ingredients like sustainably sour seafood and 100% antibiotic and hormone-free chicken.
And the quality, three times the seafood, no upcharged plus grass-fed steak rib eyes. And
beautiful seasonal produce like pears, apples, and asparagus. Because when dinner tastes this good,
nothing hits like home cooking. Needless to say, I love HelloFresh. And I think you will too.
Go to hellofresh.com slash diaries10fm to get 10 free meals plus a freeze-willing knife. It's
$144.99 dollar value on your third box. Offer valuable supplies last free meals applied as
discount on first box. New subscribers only varies by plan. Okay, I feel like everyone is
starting a GLP-1 journey. Myself included, I actually recently started a journey with some
GLP-1s for some health benefits after hopefully losing some weight. I actually have already lost weight.
So I'm here to tell you that I am a fan. Something really cool going on in the GLP-1 world is that it
doesn't have to be an injection anymore, especially for those that are afraid of needles or just
need something that's a little bit more convenient and approachable. Good news too is that the pills
offer comparable results. So it's definitely something to look into if you've been wanting to try
out GLP-1s, but the injection's been kind of steering you away. Row offers the first FDA approved
GLP-1 pill for weight loss at the lowest cost around. This new pill has the same weight loss ingredient
as the shots impacts comparable results, like I said. It can help patients lose 14% of their
body weight in a year on average. That's one daily pill for fewer cravings, feeling fuller,
with an innovative new formula clinically proven to maximize weight loss. The new FDA approved
GLP-1 pill is available at $149 for the first dose in addition to your row membership fee,
and $299 a month for the higher doses. Go to row.co slash diaries to see if you're eligible for the new
GLP-1 pill on row. That's ro.co slash diaries to get started on row. Go to row.co slash safety for
box warning and full safety information about GLP-1 medications, based on study in non-diabetic
with obesity or overweight plus weight-related condition with diet and exercise.
Spring styles are at Nordstrom Rack stores now, and they're up to 60% off. Stock up and save
on rag and bone, made well. Vince, all saints, and more of your favorites.
How did I let no rack as a deedus? Why do we rock for the hottest still?
There's so many good brands. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts,
shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free.
Great brands? Great prices. That's why you rack.
Score more with the college branded Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cash back with Venmo stash.
Got paid back? With the Venmo debit card, you can infinitely access your balance and spend on what
you want, like game day snacks, gear, tickets, and more. The more you do, the more cash back you
can earn. Plus, there's no monthly fear minimum balance. Sign up now at Venmo.com slash college
card. The Venmo master card is issued by the bank court bank NA. Select schools available.
Venmo stash terms and exclusions apply at Venmo.me slash stash terms. Max $100 cash back per month.
Zootopia 2, now available on Disney Plus rated PG. Right now you can get Disney Plus and Hulu for
just $499 a month for three months with a special limit to time offer ends March 24th.
After three months playing auto renews at $1299 a month, terms apply.
Gave the vibe of, please come to the principal's office. You know, like at school, you're being
paged. We know you're here. Just come to us. We need to talk to you about something.
So that happened and then they do eventually stop and do what's called a Charlie drill, which I
also took notes about because I had never heard of this. They started this about three hours after
she had been officially missing. Basically, it's described as a bomb level sweep involving 800 to 900
personnel on the ship. All crew members are expected to participate. They inspect literally
every single drawer on the ship and it takes about 45 minutes to an hour. I think it was about an hour
or so, which is really incredible when you think about the work that they did there. If we could
have had some of that energy on the idea that she was missing initially, that would have been
really fantastic. It's too little too late in my opinion. Like you're saying, if they would have
done this before they let people off, we probably wouldn't have this documentary and Amy Bradley
probably would have gone home to the United States 30 years ago.
All right. Might have had some answers as to what happened to her. Not only was this too late,
people were already disembarking. Apparently, when this announcement paging her to the
per se's desk was made. So people had already begun disembarking. It's almost 8 a.m.
You only have oh so much time at each location when you're on a cruise plus you're living sleeping
and eating on the boat. So you really just don't have that much time to go explore, but that's kind
of the point of the cruise, right? Like hitting all these different spots, choosing your favorite,
maybe you'll go back to that someday or not. And or just enjoying that fast pace. So again,
not knocking any of that. But again, this idea of like, okay, today is Kira's how day. And this is
the time we're getting plus we in sip here. I would love to know how many people had even heard
that announcement or her name. Because again, a lot of them saw her that night before. But then yet
now around noonish to around 1 p.m. We're finally searching the boat. She's been missing since 5 a.m.
or so. I think she went back to the room like five minutes after her brother. Just like you were
saying, she was right behind him around 340 a.m. And then was on that balcony. Her dad saw her at
5 a.m. Around 5 a.m. So I mean, we're talking seven hours later. Are you joking? 70 hours later.
Like really? That's a work day. You're so right. So much could have happened in those seven hours.
And I think what adds to that level of WTF is the fact that the captain reportedly suggests that
well, maybe she had fallen or jumped overboard. So after this Charlie drills happened,
hours after she's been reported missing, he suggests that she fell or jumped. I feel like
that framing matters because he's establishing and subtly redirecting this suspicion away from
anyone on the ship, whether it was the crew, whether it was another passenger, he directs it away
from foul play. And he's the leader. So we cannot understate what a big deal that is. Like I mentioned,
now we have the captain suggesting that there was no foul play that possibly it was by choice or
accidental. And then word starts coming out about a certain crew member. And this is where the
documentary starts exploring this like unsettling encounter. So we have Alistair yellow Douglas. He's
a band member. He reportedly paid a significant amount of attention to Amy and they saw him dancing.
He's literally on camera dancing, bumping and grinding with her, which Amy was for the ladies.
Yes, you think that that's an important piece about her life towards this part of the documentary.
So she really had no romantic interest in this person. It was more friendly. And I feel like the
documentary made it very clear that she would not have seen him that way. But years later,
when this documentary is being made, his daughter Amika Douglas comes forward and raises suspicion
about her father. Therefore, it feels more speculation about his possible involvement with Amy
being possibly trafficked. She breached out to the family, which I think is incredible because
she was willing to get as many answers as she could from her dad, but their relationship is a bit
strained on this front. It's very apparent and he gets very defensive. But we do learn that while he
is of interest and may have been one of the last people besides her father to see her live,
I mean, we do kind of get the sensor of like, okay, like it's probably not Alistair. And the
daughter even gets him on the phone while being recorded for the documentary. And he basically says,
I had no involvement. He goes on to say, I did do a polygraph test. I passed. He does seem suspicious,
but there's really nothing to book him on. I just think he was a bit flirty. This is kind of where I
left it of like, he wasn't the greatest, maybe even out the most faithful partner or father,
well traveling on these cruises and being a crew member. I think he wasn't the band, right? He
was a musician. So I kind of picked up on that. Like, maybe he liked to flirt about, which is
totally inappropriate, but it also just doesn't make him responsible for Amy going missing. And we have
to like imagine a lot of these crew members have a girl in every port kind of like sailors back
in the day. It's not super uncommon, unfortunately. We do not agree with it, but this is not me.
It just isn't enough to cause suspicion that he had his eyes on Amy. It kind of seemed from
her loved ones that she really did have quite a few people that were like interested in her
romantically. I'm not saying she had a bunch of current partners, so please don't hear that,
but it just seemed like people were drawn to her and found her attractive. And when I mean people,
I mean both men and women found her very attractive, although like I said, Amy was for the ladies.
And this was a newer revelation in the family in terms of her coming out. It caused minor strain.
I was somewhat just not spoken about, but her family still did accept her as their family member.
Kept her in the family. It was just very 90 style kind of like brushed under the rug. It was 1998,
and they had 1998 reactions, unfortunately. But about seven years go by without the case
really having any breaks in it. And then the family one day receives a tip. They get an email with
nude photos from an adult website that resemble Amy. Now when Amy disappeared, she had a short
pixie cut. In these photos, the woman looks a lot like Amy. She's posed suggestively wearing
very little clothing and has long, long dark black hair. And lots of makeup, which Amy was kind of
sporty and did not wear a lot of makeup. I mean, the woman is just as beautiful as Amy was. It looks
a lot like her. This is just non expert opinion. And the hair really kind of gets me. It's dated.
It's dated early 90s. Yes. Late 80s like metal band groupie hair. Yeah, there's a lot of hair spray.
Tees kind of permed. Lots of hair spray. Yeah. And the tees kind of permed. There's some bangs.
And we're talking 2,000 and 5 2,000 and 3, 5. Yeah, somewhere in between that kind of time frame.
This time frame of 2003 to 2007 is one that has a lot of different types of sightings like this
both in person as well as pictures from the site of a woman who was very likely trafficked. And
there was a department store restroom that was a really big moment to me in the documentary.
There was a woman and she picked up immediately that something was going on with Amy. Something
wasn't right with her in the bathroom and she kind of tries to make that small talk.
She even says she's a mom and she can tell that this younger woman her daughter's age is in trouble
because she had just seen an encounter. The woman was in the bathroom stall and when she's
using the restroom, Amy and there were several men around. And there's this very tense encounter.
The men leave. The woman exits the stall and sees Amy and that's when the conversation starts
happening. And she doesn't stop whispering that her name was Amy. But then there's this like moment
where in my opinion whoever this woman was was trying to get this other woman away out of the
bathroom and to me out of harm's way from these men. And what was it Natalie? Do you remember
that this woman overheard the men saying they have something like you're not going to try to leave
are you or something like that as something along those lines and the woman who's alleged to have
been Amy says, well, can we visit the children? That's right. That is when a whole other
commentaries, yes. Does she have children? Are they her children? Are they children that just
made her happy at some village that they visit? You know, you don't know because if Amy was
trafficked and she's been pond off to men in different ports, different islands, did she have a
children by one of these encounters? And is that what is keeping her now there? I don't know. But
I do want to revisit really quick before we keep going those photos. They did have them turned
into the FBI and they had a forensic analyst do forensic analyst things and they were able to say
with a hundred percent certainty that they believe the woman in the photos could be Amy.
It really, really looks like her. Do they have these photos on Amy Bradley is missing.com because
that would be a really great resource for everybody interested in the case to get information
since it's still unsolved. I'm sure that they're available, but I do know that they looked at
measurements like things that wouldn't change they were able to say, no, these match-up, this is Amy,
this could definitely be Amy. Anyway, I just wanted to mention that and it really gets that ball rolling
that conversation theory rolling of what she human trafficked, what she abducted, what she sold
off in port. And as you said, there were plenty of people that came forward over the years that were
not associated with the cruise ship. Just in Barbados, like people who one guy scuba-dived there,
saw a woman with a Tasmanian devil tattoo on her shoulder, which Amy had a Tasmanian devil tattoo
on her shoulder that resembled Amy and said her name was Amy. And he later saw a report of her missing
a few years later and called it in. So we have him, we have the woman that you just spoke about
seeing her in the restroom. We saw another guy who was a naval officer who had visited a relationship
house. I don't know what we want to call it, but it was like a bar where you also have working women
and Amy was there. And he has a conversation with her and he leaves even though he is told by this
woman who is allegedly Amy, they're keeping me here against my will. And he leaves because, well,
he's not supposed to be there. He's in the Navy. And if he were caught at an establishment like
that and let them know that he had been partaking in whatever extracurriculars, he would have lost
his ranking and not retired at a certain rank. And so he has that encounter. And then I think there's
a couple of others as well. There's an encounter at a restaurant where she was potentially spotted
with for an unidentified men. So many of these encounters involve these men being close behind as well.
This is what makes me so sad and so angry is that she is telling people who she is. Now,
has that helped us understand that she was likely trafficked and could still be alive at least
at the time of the encounters? Yes. But I mean, a lot of these encounters are almost 20 years ago.
Now, if not more, of course, because we're talking 2003 through 2007, which is like some main ones.
And we know when it comes to trafficking, what is like the worst thing a woman can do,
even though she doesn't do it to herself, it's natural is age. So I worry that the more Amy aged
from 23 to maybe getting to 40, they could enter life at that point. She's no longer useful to them.
They've broken so many laws and kept her for so long who knows what happened. I think the world
was wondering too when in 2010, a human job loan was found in Aruba. Now, that job bone was
actually linked to the Natalie Holloway case, which we have also covered. They did do DNA testing
though to make sure that it wasn't Amy Bradley and it wasn't. So 12 years to the day after she
disappeared in 2010, Amy Bradley was declared legally dead. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that they
think that she is dead or not in terms of her physical body, but this does allow certain legal
things to happen here. And, you know, family next of kin are able to take over, intake care of
bank accounts and any other really important things. And sometimes it offers some kind of closure.
But I really do hope that her parents get some kind of answers. I mean, they are aging themselves.
And we just don't know where the hell she is. That was probably one of the most striking things
for me as a viewer was when Amy's mother is talking in one of the close-up interviews. And she says,
I'm 70, whatever, years old right now. And when Amy went missing, I was 40. And it was just like,
you could see how different her and her husband, Amy's father looked in the earlier footage of them
searching for Amy. And that's something about this documentary that is tough, that the fact that
it doesn't give any closure. They're still searching for their daughter 30 years later. There's
a lot of ambiguity. And maybe that's the point of the documentary. I don't know, but I did promise
a bit of a twist earlier when we started this deep dive of the documentary. And towards the end,
maybe the last few minutes of the documentary, they go on to say that they did end up making a
website for Amy being missing. On the website, they upload family photos just to keep everyone
abreast of what's happening with the family, what's going on. They hope that she might see it
for somebody. Somebody related to or like involved in whatever she's involved in or may recognize
her, but they did notice when they were able to pull up the analytics that certain IP addresses
from the island of Barbados visits the websites on very specific days. I still get chills.
I literally had to pause it because it gave me chills to the IP address visits on Christmas,
on a couple other holidays and Amy's mother's birthday. And this person doesn't just visit the
website and click off. The person visits the websites and scrolls to the family photos and leaves
the screen up on photos of the family. They linger. They linger. That's the perfect word. They
linger on these photos. And the analytics for the website can tell you how long a person is on what
tab of the website, what they're looking at and how long they're there. And they can tell that
this IP address from Barbados lingers on family photos on Amy Bradley's mother's birthday and
other holidays. And to them, I think that gave them hope. If we're really going to be honest,
I feel like that was the purpose behind this documentary. I believe that the family knows a little
bit more than they shared that they have, like, have more information, which that's important
with the case, the skewed. Right. So you have to keep people know you have to keep certain things
close to the chest, close to the vest, not chest. I don't know what's the saying. It sounded right to me.
Yeah, something like that. But I think they know more than they were able to tell us. And I think
this was a message to Amy that they were giving. Hey, whatever's happened, we don't care. Come
home. We know you're out there. That's the vibe I got. It's the we're not going to hold anything
against you. I think her mother even brings up. Do I have grandkids, especially if she's being
trafficked without proper protections afforded to her, which again would be no fault of hers at all.
In that type of situation, you know, so do I have grandkids and I'll love them. And please,
like, just let us know. She almost seemed excited about the possibility of grandchildren because
even Brad, Amy's brother, he never got married. He never got married. He never had children.
He said it was directly a response of Amy going missing because he saw what his parents went
through losing a child and he couldn't put himself in a position where that would be even a
possibility. Wow. I feel like their lives stopped the day that Amy went missing. It's been
paused for almost 30 years. Definitely if you didn't watch this one with us, please go watch it.
This is an unsolved case. It can use all the help that it can get. Amy Bradley is missing.com
is a great resource and hub. But please do know, like obviously your IP address is being tracked.
So as it should be in terms of them trying to get any information or any leads despite the fact
that she was declared legally dead. As we said at the top next week, we are watching the man with a
thousand kids available on Netflix. Watch along so you can join the combo. Leave us any comments
about this week's episode on Spotify or YouTube. We'll be back Thursday with another true
crime case that needs your attention and Monday with unscripted. Thank you for following along with
all of our segments. We love doing this for you guys. Thanks for being here. Bye.
Nothing hits like home cooking and HelloFresh makes it weirdly, wonderfully easy to actually do it.
Full disclosure, I'm not the chef in my household. My husband usually handles that. I'm more of a moral
support and playlist curator in the kitchen. But HelloFresh makes me feel like I have a secret
superpower. The instructions are clear. Everything's portioned and suddenly I'm pulling off a dinner
that looks and tastes like I knew what I was doing all along. You can choose from over 100 recipes
every week with cuisines from around the world and comfort meals that genuinely lift a gray winter
mood. Plus bigger portions which we appreciate. And there are also 35 plus high protein options,
including Mediterranean and GLP-1 friendly meals made with ingredients like sustainably sour
seafood and 100% antibiotic and hormone-free chicken and the quality. Three times the seafood
no-upcharge plus grass-fed steak rib eyes and beautiful seasonal produce like pears, apples,
and asparagus. Because when dinner tastes this good, nothing hits like home cooking. Needless to
say, I love HelloFresh and I think you will too. Go to HelloFresh.com slash diaries 10 FM to get 10
free meals less a free-swilling knife. It's $144.99 dollar value on your third box. Offer valid
ball supplies last free meals applied as discount on first box. New subscribers only varies by plan.
Okay, I feel like everyone is starting a GLP-1 journey. Myself included, I actually recently
started a journey with some GLP-1s for some health benefits after hopefully losing some weight.
I actually have already lost weight, so I'm here to tell you that I am a fan. Something really
cool going on in the GLP-1 world is that it doesn't have to be an injection anymore, especially
for those that are afraid of needles or just need something that's a little bit more convenient
and approachable. Good news too is that the pills offer comparable results. So it's definitely
something to look into if you've been wanting to try out GLP-1s, but the injection's been kind
of steering you away. Row offers the first FDA approved GLP-1 pill for weight loss at the
lowest cost around. This new pill has the same weight loss ingredient as the shots impacts comparable
results, like I said. It can help patients lose 14% of their body weight in a year on average.
That's one daily pill for fewer cravings, feeling fuller with an innovative new formula
clinically proven to maximize weight loss. The new FDA approved GLP-1 pill is available at $149
for the first dose in addition to your row membership fee and $299 a month for the higher doses.
Go to row.co slash diaries to see if you're eligible for the new GLP-1 pill on row. That's ro.co slash
diaries to get started on row. Go to row.co slash safety for box warning and full safety
information about GLP-1 medications based on study and non-diabetics with obesity or overweight
plus weight-related condition with diet and exercise. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile.
I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month
plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, so do like I did and have one of your
assistance assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do at
mintmobile.com slash switch upfront payment of $45 for three-month plan equivalent to $15 per
month required intro rate first three months only then full price plan options available
taxes and fees extra default terms at mintmobile.com
