Does Bryce Harper need to win a World-Series to have a successful tenure?

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But first, Bryce Harper returned to Philly's camp.

We are six days away from opening day next Thursday,

four o'clock against the Texas Rangers.

So Bryce is back speaking about his trip

to the World Baseball class again.

How he feels entering the season.

This is an interest in one Bryce talking about approach

and kind of what he wants to do a little bit different

this year than last year.

Here's Bryce Harper.

Obviously, that's a big thing for me.

So if I can hone in my strike zone and understand,

I'm really good when I walk.

So if I could walk 140 hundred feet in time this year,

then I think I'll be right where I want to be.

All right, that was an interesting comment there

by Bryce Harper here.

That's a lot of it.

Well, 140 is an enormous amount.

His career high is 130.

That happened in 2018 as last year with the nationals.

Very few players get to 140 walks.

I mean, that is, it's a double whammy of,

it could be some of it is they don't want to pitch to you

because they don't respect the guys behind the lineup.

The other part of it is you have to have a great eye,

which he does.

And the other part of it is you get walked that much

when you're so good, right?

Like Barry Bond used to get walked 200 times

because they just were terrified of him.

They just said take first place.

So there's a lot of elements.

I mean, typically the best hitters in baseball

do have a lot of walks.

So I'm, and he's right.

His best years have coincided with a good amount of walks.

The year he won the MVP here, he walked 100 times.

The year he won the MVP in Washington,

he walked 124 times.

So his premise is, is right.

The way I am choosing and hoping to look at it as he was,

he's going to stop chasing and he'll get into better counts

and then he can hit.

So it's not so much to me about the number of walks.

It's just don't swing at bad pitches.

And then when you get the good ones,

he should do some damage.

Where did you take of it?

I think he was trying to frame it in a positive way.

Cause I think a lot of things that play here,

the fact that, you know, the not elite stuff.

Like for me, it's a combination of a whole bunch of things.

The not elite stuff, the world baseball class stuff

where you pointed out how it looked like.

He was slow at little slow.

And maybe he's thinking in order to kind of combat that

a little bit, being a little bit more patient at the plate.

That's what it kind of sounds like to me

that he wants to be a little patient

let the pitches come to him a little bit more.

And he can also put himself in a position where,

you know, he could potentially get walks sometime.

You know, because I think the knock on him last

he was, there was a, he chased that like all,

well, all the fillings for that matter.

Chased a lot of pitches last year, a lot of bad pitches last year.

So with him, it was a combination of he chased a lot.

He also saw a lot of bad pitches.

I thought it was, he was getting frustrated last year.

He was just like, was impatient.

Like he wasn't getting good pitches to hit.

So he started chasing bad ones,

but you're not going to do damage on bad ones.

So I think overall it's a good thing.

And I think if he does start to walk a bunch,

that means he's seeing the ball well.

He'll probably get in better hitter's counts.

If you look at his career, last couple of years

are two of his lowest walk rates

over the course of his career.

He's only walked the last year.

He's about 12% of the time.

It used to be 14, 16, 20, 14, 18, 13.

So it's been lower.

I do think if he walks more,

he'll end up having a better season,

but there's also that mentality of like,

you don't want him going up there looking for the walk, right?

There's that, a fine line.

Perfect word.

It's a fine line between aggressive and passive.

And I do like that he's going to chase less,

but I also don't want him to be passive.

If he gets a good pitch, you got to rip the good pitch.

And not only that, Joe, it feels like he might feel,

this is me recklessly speculating that his game is changing.

His body's changing and so he's trying to figure out a way

where he can compensate a little bit

and to compensate for where he is now

until he gets to where he wants to be.

Yeah, you still hop in the team if you're getting on base.

So we'll see that.

We'll see how I'm excited to see his approach

starting game one next week.

Is he taking more pitchers, a little more passive?

Is he aggressive?

And that's a big number.

If he walks 140 times,

his on base is going to be,

I mean, it's going to be 400.

If he walks that many times this season.

So Bryce talked about that.

He also talked about the disappointment

of losing the World Baseball Classic

and kind of now the goal re-entering the Phillies camp

to go win a World Series.

Yeah, I mean, anytime you go to any type of tournament,

you want to win.

Anytime you get into any season, you want to win.

So we've been so close as a team.

I've been so close as an individual player as well.

Obviously, that's the remaining thing on the mantle, right?

So I think obviously,

winning a gold medal on the WBC would have been incredible.

But also winning a World Series trophy

is what you play for, what you dream is, or dream for it.

Hopefully, look forward to doing that this year.

All right.

Well, that naturally leads us to a question that,

I think we're at the point now where it's fair to ask it

about Bryce Harper's career here in Philadelphia.

He's talking about winning a championship race.

The only thing left on the mantle for him to do,

is his Phillies career is success without one.

Nope.

And the reason why I say that is this.

I don't know if he was like,

what did you tell my,

because you never won why I didn't.

I was, I wasn't going to say that to you.

No, I mean, but it's fine because I was never,

I was never the caliber athlete that Bryce Harper was.

I was never on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

I was never called the chosen one.

I was never none of those things.

It came from a small school.

As a matter of fact, I would be more

than a guy that got it out the mud and worked his way to this point.

So for me, that's a success.

But when you talk about all the accolades that Bryce received

when he got into the major leagues,

one of the youngest players ever playing the major leagues.

It came in and had some phenomenal starts to his career

in the major leagues.

And the fact that I think the biggest tarnishing thing

for him right now is if you want to call it that,

that might be a bad choice of words.

The biggest, the biggest dark cloud

over Bryce Harper's career bus far is the fact

that the Nationals won when he left.

You know, when you talk about where they were trying to get to

and they have this phenomenal talent

and all these other things.

And so now when they get rid of this phenomenal talent

that they finally break through.

You know, and I know the picture

of what Straussburg and all those guys

were healthy that year.

But that's the narrative to the story.

So now you look at the flip side and you flip it to the Phillies.

And what the Phillies were before,

Bryce Harper came here and the fact

that you have this phenomenal talent.

You know, and the fact that you got there

and then you have progressively been getting worse.

I will say this, that's the narrative

that's been painted.

It's not fair.

It's not a fair narrative.

I'm not saying that that's how it should be.

But it's a potential, that's how it's gonna be looked.

Yeah, I actually think a lot of people are gonna,

are probably look at this the way you do

that if they, you don't win a World Series

in the Bryce Harper era, it's not a success.

I actually don't, I think it's a success

even if they don't win one for a few reasons.

One, he's lived up to his end of the bargain.

He's been just as good if not better here

than he was in Washington.

A lot of times guys sign these contracts

after the first wave of their career.

They know they get the big money.

And they're not the same player.

They are almost better when they're a younger

before they're a big contract

than their huge contract in the free agency.

Bryce has lived up to it.

He has been, look at his numbers,

almost identical here in Washington.

I think it's like he's just continued to be that guy,

which is one of the better players in baseball.

So I think he's lived up to his end of the bargain.

And I know they haven't won the World Series yet,

but I keep saying this and I think it needs to be said

because of who the Phillies are.

This is one of the best runs they've ever had.

If you, and so that to me, 90 plus game here,

all this stuff, if you, if you tell me,

if you told me the day he signed,

that in the first half of his tenure here,

he would live up to the bill

and like he would play at his level or better.

And the Phillies would have a World Series appearance

and three straight years of 90 wins.

That's a success.

I mean, the Phillies history has,

I believe one run of three straight,

90 plus win seasons, just one.

And they've also drawn three million fans the last three years.

That only happened once before.

So like, there's only so many.

That's the price hard perfect.

No question about that.

But I think the whole thing feels to me like it's a success

because he can't control, fully control the World Series thing.

He can't, but when I got here,

I'm just telling you from my perspective

in how what it feels like.

It feels like since I've been here

and this would be what three years,

that he has been very influential in the players

that they have gotten.

I think it's a fair thing to say, yeah.

And I think that that's going to play into it

because it's almost like,

you've hand picked these guys,

help us get over the hump.

And you didn't, you didn't.

And again, I have to say this,

that is not a fair narrative when it comes to him,

but that's the narrative that it feels

like has been painted since he's been here.

Like Bryce Harper is the one that makes things go.

Bryce Harper is the guy that you look to in the big moments,

the bellum at the bank moments and all this other stuff.

And he hasn't broken through.

And if you look at it, Joe,

you've gotten progressively worse every year

since you've had that world series showing.

You've gotten worse.

And now we're looking at it like,

you know, going into this year,

we're counting heavily on some young guys

to come in and try to beat that spark that we need.

And a lot of people are looking at this season

and they're folding the arms and waiting to see what happens.

Well, that's, that is for sure.

215-592-9 for now.

If you could chime in on the Bryce thing too,

does it need a world series for his career here to be a success?

I don't view it that way.

I mean, if you, again, if you told me,

this is what it'd been the first seven years the day he signed,

I would have signed up for it in a second.

The production, also the playoffs production.

He's been one of the best playoff performers ever.

Just in the history of baseball in a Philly's uniform,

I think it's been a success.

Now, the next seven years, six years,

seven years will determine what we think of it by the end.

But as of right now, as I look forward,

if they don't win one and he keeps playing well,

I think the whole thing was a success no matter what.

I'm gonna say a few things that may sound

out of character for me.

Wow.

Uh-oh.

I think that the, it's only a success

if he wins a world series.

It's a miserable way to look at sports.

It just is.

I mean, that is, that's the standard there is too high

for an individual player.

It just is.

Alan Iverson, look at it.

But they're wrong.

Alan Iverson, six years tenure was a success.

It was.

Brian Dawkins, Eagle's tenure, success.

Like that's no way to look at an individual's,

an individual's career.

It's just not fair.

Let me tell you why both of those guys careers

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They didn't win one.

It's because of the weight that they played

and they were even though Alan Iverson was drafted as high as he was.

He was looked at as too small to be the type of player

that he was at this level.

And people respect that.

Like everything that Alan Iverson did, he did it gritty.

Same way with Brian Dawkins.

So people, even though they didn't win,

they respect and they honor that because of the effort

that they put forth knowing that they were behind

a ball just a little bit.

But Bryce puts, Bryce puts after that.

But see that, he cares too a fault.

I'm not saying he does it.

One quick thing in a Bryce Harper play through a torn UCL

to get them to the world.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying he doesn't.

But when you look at Bryce Harper,

Bryce Harper has always been the chosen one.

And I'm not saying it's fair guys.

I'm not, I'm not saying he's saying that it's fair.

But when you look at Bryce Harper compared to those two.

And he was looked at younger and earlier.

But yes, but he was the thing.

Winning is a team stat.

Bryce Harper, it's not like, it's not up to Bryce

at the Phillies win the World Series or not.

You know what?

Let me give you an example of that.

Let me give you an example that you probably understand.

And I know if I listen, he'll understand.

Kobe Bryant.

Then when Kobe couldn't break through

until a shack got there.

And everybody talked about for Kobe

that those championships were shack's championships.

Kobe made it his business to change the narrative

when he wanted to a pal.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

So that's why Kobe's looked at the way that he's looked at

because that bothered Kobe.

Yeah, I understand why some players

are looked at the way they are

when they do achieve that level of success.

But like you said the, and I thought it was a fair point

that he somewhat assembled this roster.

Yeah, it's a trade, but it's not his fault

if Schorber strikes out in a big spot in the playoffs.

Just like it's not, it's not how he's fault

if Sequon fumbles in the playoffs.

You're right.

You can only put them in the position.

You're right, Kyle.

And I'm not, that's not the point that I'm arguing.

The point that I'm arguing is that that's how people

are not going to see it that way because he's had,

he had influence over everything.

I don't think that's the right way to look at it

because think about it.

Me as a Phillies fan, I get excited for the Phillies

every year now since he's gotten here.

Since we've been a perennial playoff team,

I get excited to watch the Phillies every night.

Like that, that to me is almost enough.

And you know, like I want them to win a championship

more than more than anything.

Just like I want all my teams to win a championship

more than anything, but like I can't sit here

and say if they don't win a championship,

it's a failure.

It's not, that's an impossible standard.

I think it's interesting.

He said something and it made me think of something else.

Place, context, and standards make a difference.

And it took, but I think that's why

Bryce's of success even without a World Series.

The Phillies standard is not the Laker standard.

Right, we want it to be, but it's not.

Like if you're a Laker and you don't win a title,

you're a failure.

Like LeBron James has been a wonderful Laker.

If they didn't win that bubble title,

there's no stature for him.

Like that's the standard.

Aaron Judge, great player.

If he doesn't win one, they're going to look at him

sideways compared to the cheaters and all the other great Yankees.

That's not the Phillies and it wasn't the Sixers either.

Now, the Sixers had a good run in the 80s and the 60s,

but the truth is the Sixers in the last almost, almost 50 years.

And we're going on 45 years.

It's only AI that gave something special.

The Eagles.

Phillies are the losingest sports franchise in North American sports.

So let me say this way.

If Bryce Harper had signed with the Dodgers or the Yankees,

and he did the same thing, not good enough,

because the Dodgers and Yankees standard is the World Series,

especially now the Dodgers have become that.

Just like Otani, right?

Otani isn't going to World Series.

That's kind of a failure with the Dodgers.

But Bryce didn't go to that team.

Bryce came to the Phillies.

Yeah, and that's why the pressure is even greater on Bryce.

It's because you know what some always think about

when I got here is Black Gritty.

Shout out to Black Gritty when he said,

Bryce Harper, thanks for choosing me.

Like I think the timing of him coming here

and the fact that you had a team win

with a bunch of homegrown guys for the most part

is why people are going to feel the way that they feel.

It's because you had a stretch with nobody

who's going to the ball parks and everything like that.

And you had a player of his caliber to your point, Joe.

Could have probably went to one of the blue blood baseball teams.

He decided to come to Philly.

And with that, whether it's fair or not,

all the dreaming of making it to the World Series

and winning the World Series once again,

that came with Bryce Harper.

It's not a fair standard to hold a player to.

I mean, the Phillies should be held at the standard.

No, the rule word for fan is fanatic.

And that's what people are when it comes to that.

It's not when we root and we think about things

when it comes to sports.

How many times have we had conversation with people

that was never based in reality?

Yeah.

I know, I'm trying to, and maybe this is my fault.

I'm trying to bring some reality into this conversation.

It's never too late, you know?

I'm holding the line.

I'm holding the line.

I'm holding the line.

Come on now.

But it is what it is.

Well, this is a success already.

It has been.

Of course it is.

I don't need the World Series.

Now, that would take it to a different level.

Then it becomes, then it becomes an all-time long time,

long contract and he chose here and all that stuff.

I don't need it to be a success.

Well, to me, there's, if they don't win one with Bryce,

it feels like it's going to be more about the Phillies

than Bryce.

What bothers me the most is to wake me up

on October thing.

Like, what are you talking about?

Do you even like baseball?

What are you going to do for the next six months?

Yeah, I'm going to talk about that a lot next month.

Like that.

Yeah, let's go to Derek and Paley, who's up on WIP.

Good morning, Derek.

Yeah, real quick.

It sound like Phillies fans and Eagles fans

is not the same because it's like,

it's okay for the Phillies not to win it every year,

but the Eagles won it one year.

They got to go back and win it the next year,

or that's the failure.

So it's like, for me, Bryce offer is a good, absolutely.

Has he been good for the city?

Absolutely, but a title, it has to be something that he wants

and the fan base wants for him because that just puts him over the top.

We can't put him in all this elite company

if he hasn't led us to a title.

I don't, I don't see the discrepancy.

Well, so I agree to an extent.

But the one thing I would say about Eagles Phillies

because you started with that is to me,

it's just, I've just viewed the Eagles

as a better organization, Derek.

They're better, they're smarter.

I don't know though.

I think they are.

Well, the AJ thing is so, but just in general,

like I expect, I guess I just expect more out of the Eagles

than the Phillies.

Maybe, well, listen, I call for the AJ.

Yeah, go ahead.

So I feel like I'm more embarrassed for the Eagles

because I feel like AJ, the Eagles forced AJ to act like this.

AJ has been doing a lot of stuff

that he shouldn't have been doing, right?

And we all are like, oh, well, he just wants to ball.

Oh, he just wants to win.

Oh, he just wants that.

There's plenty of players that want the same things

that he wants.

But if you're reading a book on the sideline,

I don't care who you are.

That's not a good look, right?

That whole thing happens to be ball.

Oh, it didn't feel like I thought it should feel, right?

And then what's wrong with the offense?

The passing, like he did a lot of stuff

that he didn't have to do.

And it's like, I guess because most people

don't didn't believe in the quarterback,

so he kind of just swept it under the well.

Well, he just wants to ball.

Yeah, just wants to ball.

Oh, he's supposed to ball, right?

Now, now, after him and Syriani

have their little off-the-field interactions,

now it's like, oh, he got to go.

He's a quitter.

And the Denver Broncos game, right?

He quitted on a ball, right?

He did.

You could say, oh, Jaylen should have threw it

with it in and of.

Well, he threw it, right?

And if he didn't stop running, he would have caught it.

But every time AJ Brown did something,

he just said he did it because of this.

He did it because of that.

And now everybody wants some going, right?

And he plays into the, he called W.I.P.

You understand what I'm saying?

So he knows what's being said, right?

And he knew most fans were on his side

from him, what in the ball, right?

And he asked for a trade.

The Eagles didn't give it to him.

And now he, you know, he got the Eagles by a rut right now.

I hope and pray that he don't go to the Patriots

because I just feel like he, you're giving a kid

what he wants.

I mean, by the can, before I'm getting the can bar.

Yeah, that's the only, I mean,

he don't want to be here and go, go wherever,

go somewhere else, but to go to the Patriots,

I'm just like, wow, he didn't,

that Julian Edelman jersey thing,

like as an Eagles fan, I was just like, come on man,

like he's just playing in our face.

But like I said, the shade with the quarterback,

I felt like it always played into

how we treated AJ Brown.

And I always wondered if we had a different quarterback

that people would gravitate to

if we were to put a stop to his antics long before we got to this.

Yeah, Derek, it's just not a good point.

I mean, we kind of enabled it.

And now at the end, we're like, oh, this is too much.

Because there were questions about, about,

about, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I don't feel like if Taylor Hertz was doing that,

like if Taylor Hertz was calling AJ Brown out, like,

well, I throw him the ball and he puts him around.

Or I do this and he's doing that.

Like, you know, how would he be perceived?

But we just kind of made an excuse for him

for whatever reason.

And now he, you know, he, he, he, he's on his way out of here.

And it's just, it's just an ugly breakup

that didn't have to beat like that.

It is.

He wanted going, he wanted going after the Super Bowl

if you asked me.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Derek, I think you're right.

Derek, you're ready for your matchup in the bracket of Hughes.

Sure, why not?

All right, let's do it.

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You, what do you mean you're out of the deal?

You told me you wanted to diversify.

Look here, Stanley.

Why should you let us get one bull for a hundred grand?

When for that, I can get a whole bunch of cows.

Exactly.

Yeah, cows, what do you have to do with cows?

We like steak.

For the house.

I have got a hundred grand online here.

Sorry, partner.

You had to find some else to do this deal.

Exactly.

All right, Derek, who are you going with?

Anti-social hue or Delis actor Douglas?

I'm definitely going with the anti-social hue

because I experienced you with the dress.

Oh, personal experience.

Yes, me.

Yeah, big crowds get sometimes.

You know, Derek, good phone call man.

I'm working on that, man.

Big crowds kind of make me.

And upset, Bruin, anti-social hue.

All right, 2-1-5, 5-9-2, 94-9-4.

You're phone calls on all this.

This Bryce Harper need to win a world series.

First, Philly's tenure to be a success.

I don't think so.

Where do you come down on that?

The AJ stuff.

I'm just, I'm just so embarrassed.

This whole thing.

The bracket of Hughes is live.

And on the other side, along with your calls,

two really strange things with the Eagles coming out

in the last couple of days.

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