Dolly Parton and Tim Curry - Into the West

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1:27Light and most in the trees. Down the seven bridges. Welcome to the Lorehounds and our podcast into the West. Tonight we are on a cry. It's where they got right. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to light a candle for Dolly Martin and Tim Curry. I'm David. I'm one of the main hosts of the Lorehounds and with me, as always, for the Into the West podcasts, our podcast lore master's Brian aka Brian E.D. 63. Hello. And Lisa aka Red Zippy. Howdy. Hey, how you doing? This is our podcast where we commemorate

2:30anyone, actors, directors, anyone of significance to television and movie production, maybe even music, given the Dolly Parton tonight, who's passed on. And this is our sort of shorter form from the long form that we sometimes do. This is where we're just what we call lighting a candle. Just sort of a quick in-memorium for people that we haven't necessarily prepared a fuller episode. All of our other episodes are available both on our cinema. What is it? Cinema Hound. Cinema Hound. That's what it's called. It's been a minute. It's in the hands. And the main Lorehounds feed. So either a place you can get this. If you have feedback for us and you want to what happy to take your feedback for future episodes, we'll just save it up and just sort of introduce it whenever we record next. Because this isn't scheduled. I mean, necessarily. No, it's like who's on your death watch? Give us a shout. Exactly. You know? Yeah. We want to say about Julie Andrews.

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7:43we're going to be covered because we're going to be covering season three of rings of power later this year. So that's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. There's not going on. Yeah. We're having to busy. It's great to see both of you again. I know we've been busy because all of us have been sort of bouncing around for the summer. We've got a, um, uh, uh, remind me, um, who is it? Uh, Madeline, no, not Madeline Con. Um, who is it? Catherine O'Hara. Catherine O'Hara. Madeline, Madeline Con. Yeah. It's the next one. And then Robert DeVal. And then Robert DeVal. And we're going to do full coverage on that. That's where we review their filmography. We put out a public poll. Everybody gets to vote. And then, uh, of we pick three movies or do we do four or three? I forget it's been a minute since we do it. Cause do we do the dice? I think we just did three. We did. You're right. I don't remember. I think you're right. I think we did three. I've heard. Yeah. We do, we do the dice rolls on the, on the, uh, subscriber podcast or something else. Uh, um, and then you all listeners, you get to vote on what movie we cover.

8:45And then we do a full deep dive of that movie. Um, so that's what's up next. But today we're here to light a candle for Dully Parton and, uh, Tim Curry. And, uh, I think from here, I'm going to, uh, turn it over to you guys. Brian, Lisa, um, tell us all about Dully Parton. Thank you. Yes. We are going to pull out our candles, get out the lighters or match, whichever is your, your thing. And we're going to get started. So Dully Parton. So Dully Rebecca, which I never knew, uh, until now her middle name. Parton was born January 19th, 1946 in Seaver County, Tennessee, the fourth of 12 children. Damn. Raul, right? Wow. A family that grew up in real poverty in the great Smoky Mountains. So we're talking Appalachia. She started performing as a child appearing on local radio and television at Knoxville

9:47by early teens. And then the day after graduating high school in 1964, she moved to Nashville to pursue music full time. And I remember her interviews that she always, always wanted to be a star. Yes. Right, right from the beginning. Since she was pretty much out of the womb. Yeah. She wanted to be a celebrity, a star famous. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Her big break came in 1967, very good year, my year. When she joined the Porter Wagner show, it was a partnership that made her a star, but constrained her creatively. It was his show. And having her there, she was supposed to be kind of the sidekick, you know, the young gal who can, you know, kind of sing a few tunes within, but just kind of look pretty. You know, eventually, Dully wasn't having any more of that. So she struck out on her own in 1974. And that transition to break away from that partnership and relationship that she had with him.

10:53And to get out of the show, but conserve the relationship is what inspired one of her most famous songs. I will always love you, which is written as a farewell to Wagner. And of course, that is what we know as a global hit for Whitney Houston. So. Yeah, that's right. That's huge, huge cover for her. And through the 1970s and 80s, Dully became one of the country music's defining voices with hits like Joleen, which is also covered by many artists. Nine to five, the coat of many colors, which verte's back to or reminds her and talks about her story with her mother being so poor that they may have, they would have to make their own close. And beyond music and acting, she built a notable business in philanthropic legacy. She found it Dully Wood theme park in her home region of East Tennessee. I've never been, but I've driven. I've driven. Yeah, I've driven past it.

11:53I did stay in a cabin not too far from that area. And yeah, it was like, why? What was that? This was probably 2006. Yeah, do that. Oh my god. Five, four, four, round of there. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're, if you're new to hear the Lisa and Brian are brother and sister. Yes. That's right. Yeah, just. Yeah. Something you didn't know. That's right. That's right. It's important. And then her imagination library has distributed free books to children worldwide since 1995. And I remember reading, I think like one out of six kids gets a book from this. Organization. It's amazing. Yeah, millions, hundreds of millions of books every year globally. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Free books. Yeah. And she drew widespread praise for helping funding early COVID vaccine research

12:55through a donation to Vanderbilt University support the development of the Moderna vaccine. So with numerous Grammy awards, a candy center honor, decades of songwriting credits, Dolly remains one of the most enduring and really beloved figures in American music. Or in America, really. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting, interesting tidbit. The night that she wrote, I will always love you, which came big for Whitney Houston. She also wrote Jolene. Just cranked, cranked them both out one night. Wow. One night. That's amazing. She's known for writing, I believe at least 3000 songs. Some think it might be as high as 5000 because she obviously didn't record all of them. Yeah. But she did make her acting debut in 1980. She started looking at movie scripts and she was in 95, starring alongside Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin as an office worker or secretary who joins forces with her co-workers to get back

13:58their sexist egotistical boss played brilliantly by Dabney Coleman. Hi, little audio clip for you. Hit it. God. Look, I got a gun out there in my purse. And up to now, I've been forgiven and forgotten because of the way I was brought up. But I tell you one thing. If you ever say another word about me or make another indecent proposal, I'm going to get that gun, am I? And I'm going to change you from a rooster to a hand with one shot. Yes. Oh, man. Yeah. It was interesting. You know, Dolly Parton is known for staying, having stayed very non-political. She, her fans, of course, just run the gamut. And so she, as an entertainer, didn't really want to, you know, say anything politically. And she knew she might get flack working with Jane Fonda. Yeah. But she liked the script and she thought that, well, if it's, you know, she has a more of a smaller part, but she thought if it flops, then she can blame it on Jane Fonda and

15:04Lily Tomlin, it was their fault. But if it was really great, it was all because they came to see her. So she saw it as a win-win. But for her, she really, really, really wanted to write the song for the movie, which is where I had a five came from. What I have to write. Yeah, chorus from that. Get in by. It's all taken and all given. They just use your mind. And they never give you credit. It's enough to drive you crazy. And you let it. Mind you right. For service. I need a potion. It's hard to pull these quotes or these clips because I want to, I have to shorten him at some point for a variety of reasons. But I know this is the good, you know, way. Way, keep going. Which chorus, which first? Do I get it? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So yeah, it was the massive box office hit.

16:07The song definitely became an anthem and still is to this day. The song will most likely be remembered 100 years, you know, in the movie not so much. But that song is really an anthem. And she did get nominated for an Academy Award for Original Song. Then her next major movie role came in steel magnolias in 1989. Oh, I love that. Yes. Where she played true V. A warm hearted beauty salon owner. In an ensemble, Castelon Sally Field, Julia Roberts, Shirley McClain and Olympia Ducakis. The film remains one of her most beloved performances and showcase her ability to blend comedy with real emotional depth. Yeah. Yeah, true, a true classic. And throughout the 90s and 90s, she took on other film roles, Ryan Stone 1984, opposite Sylvester Stallone. I saw it once and that was enough.

17:09Ditto. Yeah. Straight talk. Yeah, when we do a memoriam for Stallone someday, because I'm, you know, I mean, we can't bypass his career. No. Yeah. There is the one film that where he, his acting is exceptional is copland. He was amazing. I was rooting for him. He was nominated for an Oscar for that. So good. He's actual acting. Yeah. Actually, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, okay, we're not here for him. And straight talk where she plays a radio advice host. She also ventured into television, producing a starring in TV movies for networks like NBC, often built around her variety program. Christmas themes her own music, including, you know, coast coat of many colors. And Christmas of many colors 2016 films based on her own childhood.

18:10And I do want to note there, Brian. Yeah. In 2006, she was another Oscar nominee for Best Original Song for Traveling Through from the film Trans America about a trans woman experience, a trans experience, starring Felicity Huffman, who also got nominated for Best Acting. So again, it goes to, that's two awards. She was nominated for two, yeah, two Academy Awards. But it shows the breadth of, you know, of her fans and all the people that love her and why, because she was so just forgiving and accepting. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, even as she got older, she stayed connected to acting through cameos, supporting roles, including an appearance in Netflix, Dumbling 2018, which also featured her music prominently on the soundtrack, which is very cool. Yeah.

19:11So, yeah, as I mentioned, she was nominated for another Oscar for writing and across her acting work. There is a consistent thread, as we've been saying, that emerges. She gravitates towards roles that let her play warm, resilient, funny, empathetic women. And it really is a natural extension of the persona that she's cultivated throughout her career. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And then we kind of jump into her filmography. So, you know, not a lot. I don't remember her canonyoe appearance in the Beverly Hillbillies. I have not either. Yeah. That would be funny. Yeah. Exactly. I think it's nine to five and, and best little whorehouse in Texas are probably her two biggest roles here. I'm just looking at your list here. Rhynestone, I don't remember that one at all. A Smoking Mountain Christmas, a TV movie.

20:12Okay. We'll want to date Davis. Steel Magnolia is obviously you were talking about that. Yeah. Straight talk was Shirley Keaton, the Beverly Hillbillies, Dally Parton, co-ed of Many Colors, which is a TV movie. She's a narrator and executive producer on that. Many Colors, Circle of Love, a 2016 TV movie. Dumplin' from 2018. Don't know that. And then another Christmas special in 2020. So TV movies there. But yeah, so really what three sort of big roles that we could point to. Absolutely. Yeah. And Brian, I remember, those have been listening to into the West know that our father took us to movies starting in a very young age and not always the most age-appropriate movies. We saw horror flicks far too soon. But we were older, ish, you know, for the Best Little Horror House in Texas. And I remember that was a big favorite.

21:13That was a big favorite. An Uncleville. It's still Magnolias and Best Little Horror House in Texas are hitting movie theaters this weekend. So they're doing this on release. So I think I'm gonna try and get to Best Little Horror House. Oh, excellent. Yeah. Yeah, it was, I know like for our uncle and father was also Charles Durning. And we like to do a little side step and he would have his hat sideways and he would turn into it right correctly. Right. I mean, it's just hilarious. So yeah, it's all good, all good, warm memories, which I think Dolly would appreciate saying, yes, that's a gift from me to you. Exactly. And I would say, of course, her big TV appearance is when she appeared quite regularly on Hannah Montana. Yes, that's right. She was recurring role as Aunt Dolly for about four or five years. Of course, working with Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus, that's right.

22:14That's right. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And the 70s and then going into 80s a little bit, you see the rise of the TV variety show. So she definitely took advantage, you know, all that throughout her career. So true. Yeah. We'll quickly get our filmography. Bert Reynolds was in Best Little Horror House in Texas. Oh, yeah. Yes. Do they hit, weren't they romantically involved at some point or am I making that up? Who wasn't romantically involved with Bert Reynolds? Yeah. But I'd like to think of Jolly Parton as being a very wholesome young guy, you know, so who knows. But Sally Strothers was a big one with Bert Reynolds. Yeah. He heard it. Searchy thing, he says, no, that they didn't have a real life romance. Good. Yeah. Jolene comes from a period where her longtime husband had a crush on a bank teller. Exactly. So that's the kind of story behind Jolene.

23:14Yeah. Yep. The other woman's song. Yeah. Which what's the what's the one now about Texas? He's two step in around the house because he's got Texas. Oh, there's a big country country right now is got a there's a big resurgence happening. And there's this current song that is like really I can't think of what it's called. But it's been making its way. It's about a woman who the guy she's dating he's been dating an ex who's from Texas. And she can tell that he's into her because he's doing his little Texas to you know, he's all he's got is his Texas a kutrum on going on and his Texas two step going on and stuff like that. It's a really great song. Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to radio lab WNYC 2019 did a nine episode. Uh, uh, arc on Dolly Parton's America. No way really.

24:15It is fantastic. Radio lab. Yeah. Oh my god. In 2019 because of course it was one of those things where it was it was he came up with the idea because they had gone to a Dolly Parton concert I think in 2017 and you know, our country is just woof. Um, and he said again, the breadth of and the variety of fans who were there, which is so happy and got along so well. And he's like, I wish that I could live in Dolly Parton's America, you know, like this. I wish that we the whole world could be like this. Yeah. You know, so and they break down Jolene and you know, there's one episode all about her sad songs, uh, which kicks things off and uh, yeah, it's it's really great. But it kind of, uh, you know, as we segue, uh, into her, uh, production company, which she started in 1985 with her longtime manager, Sandy Galen. And early on, Sandy, uh, I'm going to pause you really quick. Just to quickly interject.

25:16Yes. Because just so the people don't at me, it's called choosing Texas by Ella Langley. And it was released. So it's one of the hot hit summers, uh, right now. Oh, very good. Yes. All right. You will get added. Yeah. You will. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you will have heard this. This is just in the ether. This is a hot song of summer. So okay. Anyway, I don't have to look that up. Yes. It's a really good song. I really. Yeah. So sand dollar, uh, her production company produced projects tied directly to Dali, like the TV movie, you know, we mentioned a smoky mountain Christmas and her variety series, Dali in the late 80s, which at that time, Lana, the biggest deal ever negotiated in prime time TV at the time. So, so says you Oprah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but the company quickly branched down into mainstream Hollywood filmmaking and her production company back titles like Father of the Bride with Steve Martin and it's people, um, the remake of Sabrina in 1995 with Harrison Ford.

26:19Yeah. Um, I got kicking and screaming 1995. I think that's a will feral. Okay. And then the Oscar winning documentary, uh, common thread stories from the quilt about the AIDS crisis and the quilt. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, the lore hounds out there buckle up because it's legacy though of this production company is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Really? Yes. Sand dollar backed the original 92 film. And through a subsidiary, sand dollar television, when I'll introduce the TV series and it's spin off Angel in partnership with 20th Century Fox and Josh Whedon's Mutant Enemy Productions. And Dolly reportedly stayed involved with the scenes, even though she wasn't credited. And producer Gail Berman said part, pardon, you know, center and extra paycheck on learning Berman was paid less than the male producers.

27:20What? Yeah. Yeah. In that. Yeah. That's wild. That is. Yeah. And Sarah Michele Geller has said part and sent the cast, holiday guests early in the show's run. And Angel and Buffy are two, two of some of my favorite all-time TV shows. Oh. Yeah. I've seen all the seasons. I had more time. I did. I did. I did. You prepared there with MASH. So, uh, yeah, it's, I just, just so good. So good. That's it. To the, yeah. And it's like, because Buffy fans are, yeah, when you're a Buffy fan, that you die hard for life. Yeah. You are. That's great. Awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, we can kind of talk a little bit about the three of us, just kind of reflecting on Dolly. Okay. Brian, what's, what's really been striking you about her? You know, you mentioned Prasanna earlier. And I think that's great because Prasanna for Dolly isn't a mask covering the real Dolly.

28:25It's closer to an amplification of something she is generally is. This is true to her personality, right? It's what's inside is being reflected from outside. And all the actors have said since her passing, even, you know, while she's alive, that she is the real deal, genuine, authentic person. And so it's no surprise, you know, that you will see this common Prasanna throughout all of her, you know, music, television movies. So like my favorite, probably is steel magnolias. And Truvijones is a role that leans heavily right into this Prasanna. Chatti, glamorous, but approachable, generous, hilarious, with wisdom, you know. And 9 to 5, of course, with that great line, David, that you had a clip for it. It's just like, you know, you're good.

29:26You could see that. She could say that right in her house and tend to see, you know, it's like, don't get too close to me. I'll shoot your feet off, you know? Yeah. So it's just, you know, no, but she would do it a kidding way, but her heart is so big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How about you? I'm with you there, 9 to 5, and steel magnolias for sure. One movie of hers I want to revisit besides the little horror house in Texas is straight talk. And where she plays a, you know, again, as we were talking, she plays like a advice columnist or a host on a radio show. And she has said in her autobiography that that was her favorite film. Because she also primarily sees everything that she did as a storyteller, you know, which artists say. And in straight talk, she being able to have those conversations with the callers

30:29and talking them through and that being a part of her character. She said, really felt true to me because of course everyone, everyone went to dolly and said, dolly, what should I do? You know, you know, so she was kind of that persona as well. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. David, any thoughts? I think the thought that's been really present for me since her passing was this, this like, oh my God. People on the continent of Africa are, you know, people in, in, in, in Asia, in China, in, you know, like, Siberia, you know, all over the, obviously Europe and all over the United States. Like I didn't hear anything about South America, but I have no doubt that they're, you know, are, are people who are mourning her, her passing there. And then you start hearing all these little anecdotes. Oh, she paid for this. Oh, she sent an extra paycheck. Or she did, I was like, what, who is this person?

31:32I had no clue because as a child of, you know, we're, of, we're close enough in generation, the three of us, uh, best little whorehouse in Texas and, uh, in 95 were the defining visuals that I have for her. And then obviously the, the nine to five song. And that she's just a country music star, Jolene, whatever, you know, and I didn't think much beyond that. And so to hear all this stuff and all stuff that she didn't ever make mention of, no, she just did stuff. And she just tried to make the world a better place because that's who she was was just to do that. And it's, it's like blowing my mind. Yeah. That in this day and age where we have, Brian, it must be painful for you right now watching things as a presidential historian. Just this, uh, coming apart and this, um, devolution of values and ideals that here was this

32:39really, really great person who didn't need to feed her ego. Be on, she'd already achieved her startum and her fame. Yeah. And then she looks, she looks around the world and she says, there's a thing here, an injustice here or a problem there or somebody short a little bit, uh, you know, there. Here's, I have more than enough money here. Here's the money to pay for that. Oh, you need something here. Here's that thing. And you know, we can only all as individuals do so much, but she did so much. And like never, you never, we haven't, hearing all of these memorials and people, um, memorializing her, uh, new clue, absolutely new clue. And that is astonishing to me. And then so as all this is coming out, I was like, I messaged you guys. I was like, we should probably talk about her on the mat. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The, the amount of the impact that she's had culturally is not to be, um, uh, let,

33:47we, I don't, I, to, to let it pass without saying something, doesn't honor who she was. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Not that we're putting on her pedestal or anything like that, but just recognizing and just acknowledging that she lived her values. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, uh, I had read that all of her royalties from, I will always love you. Uh, uh, whoop, selling it to Whitney Houston and all that is what started the Her Imagination Library. Okay. Wow. Yeah. So that's just a straight money funnel, you know, is a lot of her song royalties there. And she did so much for the state of Tennessee where she was from, um, you know, Dali Wood employs 4,000 people. Yeah. In the state. That's great. Yeah. And, uh, of course, what she does for the universities there. And then even the, uh, local school, uh, system in pigeon Ford, I think, uh, where she was from.

34:48She does a lot of really great wraparound services support services for the, for the poor families. And, uh, I caught my ear that she's been able to reduce the dropout rate, uh, of kids, uh, in half. Wow. Wow. Yeah. There you go. Kind of like selfishly, I'll say LeBron James is that way here and at the city of Akron. All of his, all of his work that he does with the kids here are those wraparound services. You know, I need a place to do laundry. I need daycare. I need just, you know, all that kind of stuff and food and, and everything. Just just to make life a little bit easier, just to just give you that one extra little break. So you can just get something done. Right. So you can actually be a student. Yeah. So you can be a student in school and learn and not be stressed. Uh, you know, so yeah. Yeah. And the imagination library, I mean, her, you know, her authenticity comes from where she grew up,

35:50right? We mentioned about Dollywood, but her, but her, I think her, either her father or grandfather could not read or write. Her father. So that father, yeah, there you go. Was an inspiration for the imagination library, right? And, uh, you know, and the, and the church that she went to and how, how religion anchored her through all the difficult times and the, and all the good times as well and, and gospel and, and the music influence. It's just amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, deep candle. What else did our, uh, discord community share about the line? What stood up? Yeah. So we have Paulie and Paulie says she was so kind. I'm not a big country music fan, but I'm a big kindness fan. Yeah. That's great. Yes. Yeah. And, uh, motor riders, nine to five movie I watch all the time, just rewatch it a few weeks ago.

36:53Steel Magnolia always destroys me. So it would be even worse when I rewatch it. And then comes back. It was great rewatch. Steel Magnolia is in a theater, which yeah, at least you were saying. I had not realized how quiet the scene where Shelby dies is. And if you hear everyone else in the theater sniffling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, two Chi nine to five should be Dolly Day. Yes. I'm all behind that. Me too, right? Yeah. I think Manhattan, I think Manhattan is doing that. They've like officially declared September 25th as like to five Dolly. Dolly Day. So, probably not that time. Oh, okay. It's like nine to five. Two five. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, you know, that's something that's that's actually just getting an airport named after her. We're coming up on nine to five. Nine twenty five. Yeah. That gives me an idea like, uh, kind of, uh, like one of those annual things where we all

37:55get on discord and watch nine to five together or something like that on discord stage or something. What is the job? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And just chat and you know, we could, you know, do a little fundraising thing or something. Yeah. It's like, uh, May Day. Yeah. May, may the four. That's a great Friday. Yeah. Yeah. We don't do anything for the Star Wars thing or Tolkien's birthday. It's a Friday this year. So, okay, we'll talk on the discord. Let's talk on the, uh, listeners. If you're on the discord, go to the, uh, main, into the West channel. And if you're down for something like that, uh, let us know and, uh, we will, uh, see what we can do. That would be a fun, a fun community activity. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you, Dolly. We love you. Yeah. We do. Right. Um, let's do this because today we're going to be talking also about Tim Curry. And, uh, but let's take a quick commercial break before we sort of reset.

39:00And then we talked to him. I wanted to really quickly shout out the snippet of the song that I played to start the episode is from, uh, Dolly Parton's 2001 album called Little Sparrow. I don't, I think I was just listening to a generic, um, you know, uh, the, the, streaming audio program that I use, which, uh, starts with an S and ends with a Y, uh, don't need to give them free media. Yeah. Uh, you know, anyway, one of her songs came up on my thing today. I was just listening sort of background radio music and it was shine by, um, uh, what is, who's shine? What is the band? Uh, collective soul. Yeah, collective soul. That's it. Yeah. Uh, and I was like, I was like, this is Dolly Parton singing just so, like, what's going on? So I followed it back and then I stumbled across this, uh, album and I'm sure other people will wear a while of this album.

40:01I wasn't. And, uh, I posted a link to it and then Brian, you replied and you're like, yo, check out seven bridges road, the, the beginning and your high play to did us like, oh my god. So that was our opening. And then I think for our break music, we'll use, uh, a little bit of shine, uh, by collective soul as our break music, we will be right back. So if you've ever furnished a restaurant, hotel or an office, you know the trail. Five vendors, five in voices, five delivery windows. But there's a better way to do this. Creighton Barrel Contract is a business to business program that covers three brands. Creighton Barrel CB2 and Creighton Kids with one account, one order, one delivery.

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42:07Just saying, hey, last minute I know, but we're recording tonight. If you want to jump on and talk about a jelly part and you're welcome, they're both getting ready for their school semesters or starting call universities and starting up. So they're both busy. But I'm like, you guys need to talk about, you need to sidetrack in season three about dolly part. And I don't know, pick a song, pick an album, pick her life or something, but I would really love to hear Mark talk about this. I kept thinking the same thing. I was, you know, I'm glad that you decided to like extend an invitation. And I fully understand why they couldn't join us. And I do very much hope that they do an episode because again, the radio lab episodes that I listen to reminded me so much of what Mark and Nicole do so well for our community. And they would, they would just do a great job with that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There could be a fun crossover pod into the West and Nevermind the Music.

43:08Yeah. That would be fun little activity. Yeah. All right. So all right. Stop generating cool new ideas David and move along with the thing. So now we're going to talk about Tim Curry, Brian. Take it away. Yes. Timothy James Kirk, Cury. Hello speaking. Hello. Yes. Curry was born April 19th. Welcome to wonderful world of podcasting. Yeah, exactly. I'm leaving it in by the way. It's a good starter and darker outside. In Grapenhauch, Sheshaire, England, he grew up in Grapatli in Plymouth where his father served as a royal navy chaplain. It's interesting. Yeah, I know I, from my history, I know that it's a big place for the British Navy. So okay, I'm going to study drama and English at Birmingham University. Curry got a start on the London stage. Hazai. Yay. In hair, but he became a cult icon almost overnight. Yeah, right. As Dr. Frankenferter in the original 1973 stage production of the Rocky Horror Show.

44:16So a party reprised in the 1975 film adaptation, The Rocky Horror Picture Show. So fearless. Oh, go ahead. I'll go ahead. Here we go. Yeah, hit it. Oh. Hard to do. I see you've met my face full hand in the house. He's just a little broad guy. When you knocked, he thought you were the candy man. Don't get strong. By the way, I look. Don't judge your book by its color. I'm not much of a man. By the lot of day. But by God, I want to have a lover. I'm just to switch the trends. Let's light up. Come and change sexual trends.

45:20He ate the scenery on this movie. Oh, my God. Man, here's nothing left. And I, I learned by doing this that it was that Rocky Horror was actually a stage production first. And then I realized that. Yeah. And being a child of it. Anyway, carry on, right? Yeah. No. I mean, we're done. No. That's it. Yeah, drop the mic. Bro, yeah. His, as you could tell from that great clip is fearless, right? Then boy in performance turned them into one of the most recognizable character actors of his generation. Even though the film itself only became a hit years later through midnight screening cult status. Raise your hand if you used to go to. Yep. There we go. There we go. Yeah. I'll put it in there. Brian, you remember the Cedar leaf theater where I worked. Yeah. Yeah. That was like the Northeast Ohio home. They still do it. Oh, did they? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's where I went. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Tony Python and Rocky Horror picture show, man.

46:23Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Staying on the stage portion of his biography, I will of course note that he earned three Tony award nominations on Broadway. He was nominated for playing Mozart in Amadeus. I could see that in 1980. Alan Swan in my favorite year in 1992. That was a stage play. Yeah. Wait, oh no, I'm, or am I confusing it? Wasn't there a movie? Yes. It was a movie. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then he played King Arthur and Spamalot. That's awesome. Which would have been Schuff's kiss. Yes, exactly. So he was nominated for a Tony award and an Olivier award when it went to the West End in 20 2006. And he also got an Olivier award nomination for being in the Pirates of Penn Sands. Oh, totally. So yeah. So his physicality, he's training his projection. You can really tell how it's home on the stage.

47:25So I think that's terrific. So after Rocky Horror, Tim Curry built a really remarkably eclectic career, often specializing in the villains and the oddballs, the larger than life characters. Notable roles include the sinister Lord of Darkness in Legend 1985. Opposite Tom Cruise. I would love to have been on that set. Oh. That's a, and there was something going around. Wasn't there about like when was your Tim Curry awakening? Yes. And it's right. Legend. And I was like, legend really? I don't really remember. I think legend fell just in the cusp of when I was sort of as a young teenager. Like, oh, that's like weird. You know, I went, I went laser guns and spaceships. No, I, you know, so yeah, yeah, definitely. And it wasn't a bunch of hunky humps. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, attract my eye at that moment. And I know when we covered Welcome to Dairy here in the lorehounds,

48:28we very often went back and talked about the shape shifting pennywise that he played in the 1990 TV miniseries at. Oh, nice. Yes. As the clown terrifying. I cannot, I cannot rewatch it. And then also in 1985, he was Wadsworth, the butler in the comedy clue, which I'll talk about a little bit later. But he also lent his distinctive voice to numerous animated projects, including Nigel Thornberry in the wild Thornberries and various Disney and video game roles. Interesting. Yeah. So a lot of voice work as well. But it was in 2012 where he suffered a serious stroke while getting a massage, Brian, you need to tell your wife that. Oh, yeah. Okay. I don't mean to scare my love. Anyway, so yeah, while he was getting a massage, he, you know, not there's no causation implied there. He's suffered a serious stroke.

49:29That's true. You say good. No, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah. Do not mean. Anyway, but yeah, so that left him partially paralyzed and largely reliant on a wheelchair. But he did his best to do occasional voice and appearance work since. Yeah. So now we can kind of jump into his filmography. What I know I enjoyed and forgot was in 1996, the Muppet Treasure Island. I really enjoyed the Muppets, Honorary social media posts, you know, saying, saying goodbye to Tim. Yeah, if you get Sesame Street saying, oh, you know, yeah, you fit the zeitgeist. Exactly. You go from a transvestite to Sesame Street below the character. That is a span. That is an arm from the life. Well, well, live life. Well, live life. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But I, for this podcast, I rewatched Clue from 1985.

50:31So it's loosely based on the board game. Yeah. And it was a bonkers, amazing cast. Eileen Brennan, as Mrs. Peacock, Tim Curry, of course, is Wadsworth, Madeline Conn, as Mrs. White, Christopher Lloyd, who we know from Taxi, the TV show Taxi, and then of course, back to the future. Back to the future. Doc Brown. Yeah, Doc Brown, he was Professor Plum. Michael McKean was Mr. Green. Martin Moll was Colonel Mustard, Leslie Ann Warren, who Brian and I love from Victor Victoria. She played Miss Scarlett. So it was just an amazing cast and what was really terrific about the film. Excuse me, is that he played the straight man, mostly in this craziness. You can imagine the Eileen Brennan's and the Madeline Conn's just circling all around him.

51:34And you know, he played the straight man, you know, very, really just kind of dialed in while everyone else around him is going nuts. But then you get to the final act and he physically walks through three different scenarios of how the murders happened. And he like walks all over the house. Shall I say, jogs, if not runs, for like 10 straight minutes. He is taking everybody with him and goes, and then he picked up the pipe. And then he went down the secret alley and then it came out and he would fall down on the the old carpet and this is who died. And I mean, he just became every character nonstop for 10 minutes. It was just bonkers. Very few actors, I think, could have pulled them off to where it was one of them. So that's right. Because you have multiple endings. I don't think you chose it. You just walked in and there was this one ending. Is that right? I can't remember. But I can't remember what they did in the theater.

52:36Yeah. You're right. Because the one I saw had had three. Yeah. So they probably merged them together. I wonder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty well. And Brian, did you get a chance to watch anything of his? Yeah. I rewatched the hunt for red October. And this was an opportunity to see him as the physician on the submarine, the Russian sub. Yeah. And so this comedic actor plays it again straight, a serious role that he inadvertently plays into Captain First Rank Marco Ramius' plans. I'm not, you know, for those who want to watch it and it's a really good movie. I'm not going to spoil. But it was just, you know, he, he just came and played key moments throughout most of the film. It was, it was fabulous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know a lot of people know him from Annie

53:37that he did in 1982. Yes. And, you know, Bruce started again. Yes. I definitely would like to see Muppet Treasure Island just to feel good there. So I will never watch it again. No, I'm just kidding. Oh my gosh. But yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed again when he passed. Rock and Horror Picture Show is his on Broadway right now was nominated for a bunch of Tonys. And I think it's still playing. And so anyone who has ever played Dr. Frankenford or any actors that could joined Luke Evans on stage and, you know, and said this is for Tim Curry right after, you know, Curtin for one of their performances. And they sang one of the songs. That was really great. So what yeah. And one of the other clips I've been floating around his is 1981 appearance for Cyber Night Live. And two things stuck out for me. One was his monologue in the beginning

54:41with Eddie Murphy. And he goes, yeah, you know, after Rocky Horror Picture Show, my next role I was offered was the Brook Shields character in Blue Lagoon. And the other one he was singing, he was playing Mick Jagger, which you could totally say. He nails it. Nails it for Mick Jagger. Yeah. So good. Oh, that's great. Oh my God. Yeah, he, you wouldn't know from looking at him in his straight roles too. But I mean, the charisma of this guy was just off the charts. You know, it just, you couldn't see anybody else playing Dr. Frankenford or the way that he did, you know, so. Yeah. Yeah, I think for me that's what he represents. And I know there's more to his career. But

55:41at that time, you know, in society where it was, I think he brings forward, even though it's a bodacious role, it's over the top. It's hypersexualized. And it sort of leans into some tropes and stereotypes. The idea of having this transvestite figure, which isn't, you know, I don't think that's not a terminology that's used as frequently anymore, which it is what it is. Language changes, it's normal. For him to normalize that role and then to see him later in his career, just do a normal stuff, right, helps us move off this idea that, you know, how, what is gender expression, right? And what is sexual orientation? And are the two things interlinked? Or are they independent

56:44of each other in a lot of ways? And how can we question those things and interrogate those things and not be locked into such dogmatic responses to things? And I think he was part of that cultural evolution that shift where we, as a society, are exposed to and can think about other forms of expression. And so yeah, just what he represents in that, he's just like a bodacious crazy actor once that's time. I don't think he was trying to be some sort of, you know, icon or anything like that. But yet he poured himself into that role and he's so identified as Frankenfurter that, you know, I think it just, to me, it just locks in, you know, it's just such a seminal role and such an important role culturally and historically. And just a, you know, and then later,

57:49it's just a sweet guy who's just lovely and fun and funny. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, that's well said, David. You know, I think that was probably one of the biggest, highest, high profile role for that community. Yeah. I cannot imagine going in and actually seeing, you know, like one of you on the screen or in the theater and saying, yes, here it is, all that's glory and that must have been really powerful. Yeah. And then to have legions of people gathering on weekend nights for decades afterwards, yes, dressing up as him, dressing up as all the characters, doing the dances and doing all that kind of stuff and just kind of normalizing sexuality in this different way that it doesn't have to be this mono thing, but that we can play and have fun and do goofy stuff and it's, it's cool. It's, it's okay. And for a whole

58:54generation of, you know, nonconforming kind of people, you know, nerds playing D&D or just in a music or whatever, or just sort of not the 50s stereotypical, you know, cheerleaders and jocks kind of things. Right. Rocky Horror created a space for people to come together, to have fun with each other and to express themselves in ways that there wasn't, there weren't other forms or places for that. It really opened up culture in a lot of ways. And it just decades after decades, you know, just year after year. Oh yeah, Rocky Horror is still playing. Yeah. You know, you know, the theater where it's at and you can go throw toasted the screen and, you know, bring your water bottles and, you know, and training and all the stuff. Yeah, crazy, the time warp, the time warp. Yeah. Yeah. We're very fortunate that he embraced it. You know, just wasn't an actor who turned away.

59:55And, you know, he walked so that headwig and the angry inch and Patrick Swayze and Miss Wang Foo, thank you for everything. And even mentioned of Tom Holland where he does the umbrella dance on the, oh my gosh, were they lip sync? That show, I can't remember what it is. But if anyone out there knows what I'm talking about, if you've seen Tom Holland dance to Rianna Zumbarella. Okay. If you know, you know, because he was definitely, you know, he was dressed almost like Frank and Furter, and performed. And of course, you know, Tom Holland is a dancer. So it was really cool. But yeah, I mean, he walked so that a lot of others could run after him, for sure. Cool. Absolutely. So, Brian, we talked a little bit in our Discord community, you know, again, which Tim Curry was your sexual awakening from. Yeah. Oh, this was it. So you brought it in. Now, okay, so I definitely

1:00:59did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So this was Moffat who brought this up. And Alicia says, I mean, it wasn't not legend, LOL. And definitely Rocky Horror. And of course, you David timed in with Rocky Horror. And I believe we have Davey Mack probably muppet treasure island or who for me. Oh, my God. Yeah. So just two iconic, iconic people that we lost in 48 hours. So I'm really glad that we could do this and light a candle for them. And that will hopefully get us on track. We should probably talk a little bit afterwards scheduling so that we can talk about our upcoming schedule for next two. Yeah. Catherine and Hera and Robert DuVall. And again, yeah, we've

1:02:00got lanterns on silos happening right now. There's a bunch of oddball projects that are floating around that eventually will get a dress. I know we want to talk about some Ted Lasso and I still want to talk with Ron about the bear season five. John and Alicia have a bunch more comic stuff coming up this year. It's a very big busy comics focused year, both on television and the movies. And we have a bunch of other big movies coming out later this year. Yeah. Alicia and I are doing the practical magic too. Oh, that's right. That's like making a bunch of waves that they're releasing the sequel to it. So I just had to track down a copy of it as well to try to make available for the first one. Yeah. Yeah. I think Mara is Marilyn going to you and Marilyn and Alicia. Yes. She'll watch it and probably decide. Okay. Right. Yeah. It's our per allie. That's great. That's great. We think she'll like it. Okay. Cool. Brian, the other thing I was thinking of my, our, my daughter is now very,

1:03:05she's been Ken Burns pilled. Excellent. We just watched the one on the bison and we're in the middle of watching the one on the Roosevelt's right now. Oh, yes. Which is just incredible. And I was just thinking, okay, Ken, when are you going to release another thing so that Brian and I can do like a weekly coverage because there's not a lot of it would be great if we had the money and the time to be able to go back and rewatch these things. But every time I'm watching this, I'm like, I want to talk about like what they're talking about here because it's so relevant. It's so interesting. I tell you the one on the Roosevelt's is fascinating because so much of what was going on in politics then with the way that the parties were evolving, the boom, the bull moose party and the way Republicans and Democrats sort of go through this spectrum shift. It's like, oh, and then how Teddy was a very unitary unitary, unitary executive type. And there's just so much relevant historical information to, to this day and age. Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. Well, of course,

1:04:08yeah, Jeff about how we could, yeah, bring some history into entertainment. I think it's very more howdy thing. Very much so or historically oriented. Well, and Ken Burns did a series on country music. Oh, there you go. And of course, Dolly was in one of the episodes for sure. But, what hasn't Ken Burns does? Why isn't there just not a Ken Burns streaming channel? You know, these, yeah, baseball, the Civil War, or you get these, what do you call these? Fast TV channels. These, what are these, these ad supported ones where it's sort of, and I have what is it Pluto or something like that? I can, yeah, I can go back and I can watch the love boat. I owe all of you to 24, seven, three company. I checked in on three company other day. I was like, oh my god. I was like, Jack Ritter, because Jack Ritter's son is on lantern. So that's right. Yeah, that's right. But we just need to Ken Burns 24, seven stream. We do. We do. We do. So much for that. Anyway. Well, let's get out of here. We'll be back with you guys

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