Dr Sara Gottfried & Brad Jacobs: The #1 Skill Men Are Missing And It’s Not Confidence | DSH #1811

Now, do both of you feel like women are being a little masculine these days though,

because they have to work more than they used to in the past?

I've been at these institutions where there are a lot of women who are incredibly masculine,

and sometimes even have toxic masculine. And so it makes sense because women are fighting in a

system where often men have power over them, and it's the way that they've reacted.

But I don't think we want to match the behavior of power over in toxic masculinity.

Women need to really reach into their biology and respond from that way.

Women are incredibly good at regulation. We're really good at co-regulation,

kind of like what you do with a baby, to calm a baby down when it's upset.

And so that's where we need to really shine, is to regulate ourselves and co-regulate others.

And when you think about masculinity, I think they're on a polarity.

You know, we talk a lot about feminism, but femininity, divine femininity,

powerful, beautiful, and divine, authentic masculinity.

All right, guys, we are here at A4M. We got Dr. Sarah Gottfried here today in Brad Jacobs,

and doing a little fun episode today, a quick little 25 minute episode. Thanks for joining us, guys.

Nice son, happy to be with you.

Yeah, nice to meet both of you. How did you two meet and get acquainted?

Yeah, good to be here. We met about 30 plus years ago as interns,

while older than I am.

Yeah, I was just going to ask.

Reborn you.

Yeah, 28.

That's exactly.

Those are you who are both interns at the same company?

We were at the same hospital.

You see San Francisco. Holy crap.

Yeah, we were little interns, little white jackets,

stuff the scopes around our necks.

Nice.

Little dork.

Right through green.

A lot of change, so they sign off.

Yeah.

Were you like friends the whole way through?

Or did you rekindle some point?

Rekindle professionally, what decade ago?

I always had thoughts for them.

Yeah, yeah, that's what it was.

And vice versa.

We were talking about...

She says that, I don't know if I believe her.

I know.

When you're talking about masculinity, I mean,

yep, to get topic, to get girls interested in you, right?

It is.

We've got to lean in and you've got to see if they're ready.

If they can take it and handle it and stuff.

Well, if it's done right.

Right.

There's a lot of...

If we were talking about this before we start filming,

how it's not done right in certain circles.

That's right.

Yeah, if he poxic masculine and they call it...

Yeah, or even the opposite of the claps,

where people just give all their power over to the women, right?

Yeah.

And zero sum gain.

What would you call that a simper?

Yeah, people spineless, floppy, a sim,

I call it M2.

I call it M1.

I have this M3 method.

I've been building out that really focused on M1

or folks that are strong, decisive, protective,

the good parts that are mostly shut down.

And this is a good segue,

but who a man is today is a lot to do

with how they grew up with, right?

Oh, it's true.

This is what you specialize in.

Yeah, what was modeled?

What kind of experience they had with power?

Was it abusive?

Was it used in a way that was...

Trying to change behavior in a negative way?

So you can measure that.

You can do it with the first childhood experiences score.

Yeah, I took her to us.

We'll link it in the video for people watching.

I got a seven and it's out of nine, right?

That's right.

So that's pretty high, Sean.

Yeah, that's pretty high.

And I mind you.

I grew up in a middle-class, upper-class family.

You know, both self-made, a millionaire parents.

And I still got a seven.

Yeah, so it's...

You know, you can't tell from looking at a person

what their ACE score is.

And what we know is that

that level of trauma is associated with 45 different diseases,

not just the ones you think of, like depression or anxiety or even post-traumatic stress disorder,

but autoimmune disease, stroke, cardiovascular disease.

Well, there's a long list.

And you're saying this.

I mean, while I just got a blood test last month,

I'm on a pace for an autoimmune disease.

So I didn't even realize that could be connected to childhood trauma.

A lot of people don't realize it.

I mean, the good news is when you identify the trauma and how it affects

your physiology, you can do something about it.

So there's lots of ways that you can take that trauma footprint and change it.

Yeah.

Are you seeing trauma in a lot of guys that you're talking with?

Yeah, a lot of guys.

And you know, Sarah wrote a book called the autoimmune cure,

which really sort of looks at just this, what we're talking about.

And this adverse childhood experience, ACE,

uh, questioner that you filled out that I really encouraged people to fill out.

And really, oh, I think it rightsizes things and lets you really realize,

oh, wow, this, you know, a lot of us cope and manage and think our childhood was

managed more than moved on.

So that's what I thought.

I guess I just bottled it all in and just wrote it off as normal.

Yeah.

And a lot of people become very self-reliance.

They become, um, achievement oriented as a way of trying to create safety and security.

And so a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of really successful people have high ACE scores.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Because they use that as the fire to go leave their environment and, you know, excel.

I have noticed that because I've interviewed a lot of really financially successful people

and a lot of them have some trauma for sure.

Yeah.

I'd say like 80 percent of them.

In my clinical practice, I see it all day long.

I would say at least half to two thirds of my patients have significant trauma.

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And they just lock it down, compartmentalize it,

and they achieve professionally.

Yeah.

And then often the personal life can be a bit volatile.

So it makes you wonder what the best route to tackle the traumas

and if it's helping you in certain areas of your life, but not in others, right?

Exactly.

How to navigate that?

I think awareness is where you start.

So knowing what your A-square is is critical.

And then you have to look at your relationships.

But I think it really shows up in relationships.

It tends to show up often with success and the kind of folks that we're talking about here.

But then their relationships might suffer.

So if you get into a trauma bond with a partner that can lead to a lot of issues where,

you know, you're trying to resolve some of that power over dynamic.

So unless you write the equation and you've got to wear this about it, it can cause problems.

And when it comes to men, you know, you were asking about like,

you call them a simple, like a lot of folks experience trauma.

And then they want to model what they experience as a father as an adult, right?

Or they do the opposite.

And they're like, I want nothing to do with what I experience.

And so I'm going to give all my power over to my partner.

And if it's a woman, they're giving to a woman.

And then you lose your own compass, right?

So I call that M2.

And then M3, you take the both, right?

You take the positive aspects of M1, which is toxic.

But not only toxic, you can be strong, protective, decisive.

And if you're emotionally aware, which these M2 guys are,

but they give you the way they're power, then you have the best at both worlds.

Interesting.

Yeah, I definitely think the same thing is hot.

But also what's even hotter right now is just in cell movement.

What do you think about that?

There's a couple of people really leading that movement right now.

Yeah, I mean, my concerns about it are that people self-isolate.

They get angry and shut down about sort of where they're at.

And then they get very what I call fundamentalist about it.

And I think there's a path where you can actually not be so reactive to what's going on

and be participatory and work together collaboratively.

And I feel like the in cells are not working together collaboratively.

They create their own insular environment.

And then they're focused on reacting against everything around them,

but rather than finding a way to find some collaborative event,

you know, clever opportunities.

Yeah, their mind seems to be made up or it.

My mind's made up and I wonder about regulation.

Like, are they regulated?

Because to me, ultimately, masculinity and its best expression

is a man who's regulated.

Yeah.

That's what I want.

Someone that can control their emotions.

Well, not necessarily control it, but work with it,

surf their emotions, manage them, be able to talk about them,

be able to calm themselves down without requiring, you know,

things like alcohol or drugs to do it.

Yeah, what I like to say is men don't need to be shamed.

They just need to learn how to be regulated.

Men aren't toxic, right?

They're just mostly shut down.

They're not toxic.

They just need to learn how to regulate themselves.

Yeah, right.

So let's not cancel, man.

Let's help them learn how to regulate themselves.

Masculinity is a trainable skill.

You think so?

I do.

And I'm a measure of masculinity.

How do you measure it?

Yeah, so we can look at physiologic markers.

We look at testosterone.

We look at cortisol.

We look at heart rate variability.

And then we can also do psychological profiling.

And one piece is the ace question that you're talking about.

But there's how do people relate with power?

How do they relate with boundaries?

Right?

So there's ways you can match men, say your attachment,

and secure attachment.

And you can do all that and then say,

okay, this is where I'm at.

And now we'll do lifestyle intervention.

Just starting with lifestyle.

Sometimes with certain supplements that you need

that you're deficient as well.

We're trying to get to the biology.

Of our masculinity.

So rather than shaming people, it's a mindset.

You just need to change your mindset.

Let's look into your biology and physiology.

Now, do both of you feel like women

are being a little masculine these days, though?

Because they have to work more than these two in the past?

Yeah, it's a great question.

Do you want to start with that?

I think it's a mix.

I mean, I see a lot of women that are in their full feminine power.

And that is totally hot.

Yeah.

Like that's really what we want.

So I think that would be this woman right here.

I mean, what we, listen, I've been at these institutions

where there are a lot of women who are incredibly masculine.

And sometimes even have toxic masculinity.

Wow.

And so it makes sense because women are fighting in a system

where often men have power over them.

And it's the way that they've reacted.

But I don't think we want to match the behavior of power over

and toxic masculinity.

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Women need to really reach into their biology

and respond in that way.

Women are incredibly good at regulation.

We're really good at co-regulation,

kind of like what you do with a baby,

to calm a baby down when it's upset.

And so that's where we need to really shine,

is to regulate ourselves and co-regulate others.

And when you think about masculinity,

I think they're on a polarity.

We talk a lot about feminism,

but femininity, divine femininity,

powerful, beautiful,

and divine authentic masculinity.

And that too is like, you can't stop that.

That's fierce.

And that's what you want, right?

And frankly, that's what the insults are missing.

Like come on there, lean in, take a chance,

have some courage, try it.

Find a woman who's not going to be toxic

and they're as a toxic masculine, toxic.

I think frankly, the strong feminists

are exhibiting many of them, toxic masculinity.

Agreed.

Yeah, I think the insult being long-term can be dangerous

because there's a lot of studies on longevity

and if you're with a partner,

you actually have increased lifespan.

Well, that's true for men.

It's not true for women.

Oh really, it's strong.

Now women need to be with their girlfriends.

Wow, so we're stressing out the ladies too much, huh?

Holy crap.

We men live longer when we got a partner.

Enough, buddy.

Wow, I wonder why that is.

Yeah, well we really, men don't have as many friends as women.

That's a part of our family.

We are self-isolate, right?

Nowadays, one that most men don't have,

they can't name four friends that they have, right?

So it's really rough and then often are depressed.

They're isolated and it's gotten worse over the past

a couple of decades,

larger because we live in a technological world

and so we self-isolate and relate digitally

rather than in person we're doing here today.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

How do you regulate?

I would say through exercise, basketball and chess

and stuff that just keeps me calm.

Maybe video games once in a while.

Yeah, I try to stay on top of it

because I used to have crippling anxiety

to the point where I was collapsing on the ground in college.

So you've learned how to regulate yourself.

You've found these healthy ways to do it.

Yeah, and then you're also in a marriage.

Yeah, and that's been a journey too, you know?

A lot of ups and downs, sir.

Yeah, I like to say when we talk about it, Sarah and I,

we talk about it's all about repair.

Like, you know, there's gonna be a lot of volatility

potentially, there's a lot of drama on this.

There's mistakes, there's accidents.

You spilled water on your laptop.

That was a recent moment and I lost my shit.

Laptops are expensive.

I lost my stuff.

I have to admit, I lost it.

But we're gonna turn it over to here.

Oh, it's a big test.

My knock is, yeah, I lost that overnight, I'd be pissed.

Yeah, and then like, okay,

it's uploaded, be shooting me in it

and like pull it together, Brad.

And then we did for an act two,

we're like, let me try this again, babe.

Let me try this again.

Yeah, the repair, it's all about the repair.

Yeah.

And I didn't learn repair as a kid.

I think we didn't have an A-square, like I do have six,

you have an A-square of seven.

Did you get much repair from your parents?

It was easier.

Like you have a blowout and then.

No dissolution after, you either got yelled at,

sent to my room and then nothing.

Yeah. Like it was no compromise.

Yeah.

No, I really didn't.

And that's been a challenge in my relationship

just to keep it honest with you guys,

like conflict resolution.

Yeah.

So I never had that grown up.

Yeah.

I'm all.

Yeah, and I, simple as like, okay,

let me try that one more time.

That take a minute, right?

Take two, you know?

Take two.

Yeah, sometimes pausing for a little bit for me.

Oh, like, do you compress a little before I engage?

Yeah.

Cause I, she says I have a tone sometimes

and I don't even notice.

Yeah, meets I got like, process, I, yeah.

Well, women are really sensitive to tone.

Probably more sensitive than nonverbalizing.

Ever told me I'm, oh, nonverbal fight is.

Yeah, nonverbals too.

Yeah, look up on everything.

Yeah, we don't even notice.

I can't even lie to her.

We actually'll pick up on it instantly.

So I stopped lying or smart,

but years ago, but yeah, they know.

Yeah, very intuitive.

Yeah.

It's good.

It's good to have the, for like,

other bringing other people in your life

and having your girl meet them.

That's right.

Yeah, they're great at that.

And then they become your sort of protector,

your wing pressure and they could read everyone

and they'll look either their intentions, you know,

without even talking to them, they know.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

If men, it's by any sense.

Yeah.

That's probably why they're designed that way, though,

all right, to be together.

That's right.

We help them physically.

They help us more.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, right?

Like they, we each have strengths, right?

Women have their strengths.

We have ours and together.

It's powerful.

Yeah.

I love them.

What are you guys doing here?

You're giving some talks.

How do you for them?

I've got five hours of lectures today.

Five hours?

I started to eat.

Oh my God.

Were you even up yet?

Just woke up at eight.

That's early from it.

Yeah.

I'm usually up at nine, 10.

Yeah.

Hate is early.

Yeah.

What are we talking about?

Female longevity.

Yeah.

It's all about the ovaries.

Yeah.

It's an organ of longevity that we need to be paying

more attention to.

So that's where a lot of health issues are starting from?

For sure.

You know, you think about your heart cells, mitochondria,

and how they power your cell.

Your heart cells have about 2,500 mitochondria.

Your ovaries, mature oocyte, a million mitochondria.

So if you have mitochondrial problems, you know, you're too stressed, you eat too much

sugar, you don't get enough sleep, it shows up in your ovaries.

Wow.

I'm sure birth control shows up there too.

It sure does.

Lots of problems.

That's destroying women's ovaries, isn't it?

Well, it causes a lot of problems.

Increase inflammation, reduces testosterone levels, can decrease libido, it can cause

gut changes, like microbiome changes.

So it causes a lot of issues in terms of how it affects longevity.

We don't really know.

Time will tell.

Yeah.

I just found out women are having testosterone issues too.

Do you know that?

Well, you know, environment plays a huge role.

I think.

What do you think, Sarah, about testosterone changes in women?

Yeah.

I mean, we see both testosterone that's too low in women and also too high.

So too high is polycystic ovary syndrome.

It's similar to low T and men.

And then too low is often related to too much stress, too much cortisol.

I see that a lot in hustlers, people who are part of the hustle culture.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I used to be part of that.

You're not anymore.

You graduated?

I still work a lot.

I guess it depends what you consider hustle, but I used to like give up sleep and

health for hustling.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Now I'll have a balanced there.

Yeah.

I'll go to the gym.

I'll work out.

I'll take my diet super serious.

But when I started entrepreneurship, I didn't go to the gym for three years.

Wow.

That was hustle culture for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sacrifice my health and my friendships and relationships.

I had no friends.

Yeah.

So some of you about that.

How did you re engage with your friends?

New friends, old friends.

I had that guy.

Pretty much new friends.

And it was going to events like this.

Going to conferences.

You said the digital error.

It's easy to get lost and not just think you have a bunch of friends who are messing

them, never meeting in person.

That's how a lot of kids operate these days.

That's right.

They got more online friends and physical friends.

That's right.

Yeah.

It's pretty crazy.

Yeah.

To learn, I think there's going to be a backlash.

I think as more and more AI infiltrates our society that we're going to year in for like

connection.

It'll get hyper-local.

Yeah.

That's what I'm hopeful for.

It'll get hyper-local.

People come and show up at the coffee shop or whatever.

I hope so.

It's definitely needed.

How are you going?

Well, health crisis right now.

I mean, especially for men.

That's right.

We look at depression and anxiety and sleep issues.

That's right.

And more and more to the side.

That's right.

Yeah.

I had a doctor on this morning.

She was saying one out of two kids and teenagers are having a mental health condition

diagnosed these days.

That's right.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah.

One out of two.

A lot of it's depression and anxiety.

And a lot of it's because of what we're talking about.

Right?

So all that isolation that happened.

So I'm encouraging people like you just got to lean in.

You got to show up in person for anything.

And just see what happens, right?

Just try and experiment.

Yeah.

Show up at, you know, whether it's, you know, it's comfortable giving it to be in your

home.

But if you can just show up at the local surf shop, the local cafe, the local school.

He's showing his favorite tendencies.

I like surfing.

I like cafes.

Cafes feel homey to me.

Right?

It's the local ones.

I don't go to like the mainstream ones.

Yeah.

You know, yeah.

These algorithms are out of hand these days.

That's right.

Everything that I, unfortunately, I have to be on them to like, because I'm a podcast

or have to study them.

But you could see the comments and it's really negative on a lot of videos.

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That's what kids are seeing all day, right?

Yeah, the algorithms, hi, Jack.

You're a mechdelah.

I've heard of the brain that's looking for thread and making you feel afraid.

And so I think that's what we see as a result of more algorithms.

So we have to be careful because that can create this negative spiral that we need to counter

with a positive spiral.

Yeah, I feel I call it the tail wagging the dog, you know?

So the algorithms are hijacking us.

We're the dog and all of a sudden our tail's like making us do things we didn't realize

we were doing.

And why we don't even realize they're doing it while it's happening.

They seem to know we're down a rabbit hole.

Do them scrolling as well as they're calling it.

Some kids do it for hours a day.

That's right.

It's definitely addicting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I may have watched my 22 year old and the 20 year old I've watched my kids navigate it.

And they've come in and out and then they set boundaries for themselves, right?

So they're apt automatically times out or there's way that they try and manage it.

And they themselves that had mental health challenges because of that.

So I think it's an act of, I think we shouldn't blame ourselves.

We shouldn't shame ourselves.

I think it's happening to us or like the food is happening to us.

And we need to recognize it and then just take action as best we can.

I just read a book how he was saying no phone still 16.

He recommends.

I like that.

Yeah.

16.

Yeah.

That's when I got mine.

I feel like that was a good age because I could still go out and play in nature and

meet up with friends.

Yeah.

Was it Australia that recently passed some legislation about this?

Oh, they did.

I didn't know that.

It's 16.

Yep.

I think it was 16.

What?

Yeah.

So no kids.

Yep.

Wow.

Good for them.

So I want to see how that plays out.

I'm sure they'll do way better than.

Yeah.

They kids are an excited about it.

That's an older utter.

I'm sure they'll be workarounds.

Yeah.

Come on.

How are they going to do that if we're being honest?

Yeah.

They're going to go in your house and say, oh, you have a phone.

Yeah.

But good for them.

For at least trying to do something.

Yeah.

My son is an example.

Started a nonprofit focused on nature and mental health for teenagers.

Nice.

So he takes kids climbing.

He does meditation if they're willing to do it, a little bit of journaling.

But he gets kids active in the summer and summer camps because of this, right?

Which is a great way to like bring kids together, do an activity they like, climbing and get

them out of their house, you know, love me some nature.

Even in the desert, I still try to find a way to get some in, you know.

Yep.

Yeah.

Favorite.

Can't be walking, honestly.

Like hiking.

Yeah.

Feel like that's hard to beat.

Just walking through the woods.

Do my happy place.

I grew up in Jersey and did that a lot growing up, good old grounding in the grass.

That's right.

Not much grass out here, though, but you know, I do it again.

Yeah.

Well, hiking in nature, 10 minutes can change your cortisol.

Like it's pretty dramatic, but how much it can change your stress levels?

From a 10 minute walk.

10 minute walk.

Yeah.

You're heart rate variability.

It's amazing how you can just change your physiology.

And what's great now is you can measure that stuff, right?

It's easy.

You can put on a ring or a walk.

There's an over a ring.

Yeah.

That's a new one.

It is, although it's completely beat up now because I use it for everything.

Yeah.

You know, I got the whoop at home.

Yeah.

Whoop's great.

Right?

There's a lot of different devices coming out.

True human.

Ultra human.

Yeah.

It's out of ring.

It's a room.

I'll go.

I'll look into that one.

Of course.

I love just mapping.

Okay.

I'm going to run an experiment.

Like we call these end of one experiment.

So pre and post.

All right.

I'm going to see if my nature makes a difference.

And I'm going to go out and spend an hour and then see what my HIV, my heart rate variability

goes up.

That's a good thing.

Does my resting heart rate come down?

That's a good thing.

Does my sleep quality score improve?

What are the most poor metrics from men you're tracking and then for women, for health,

tracking health?

Yeah.

I mean, there's some similarities.

We can talk about the differences, too.

But REM.

So, you know, with dream, sleep, ideally 25% of your sleep are over an hour, ideally 90

minutes.

She's a higher achiever.

She'll tell you how large your numbers, deep sleep, also 90 minutes.

Real important.

I like two hours.

Yeah.

Two hours.

And then your HIV, your heart rate variability, which is basically the beat to beat variation

and heart beat.

And frankly, the more variable it is, the better, which seems like, well, that doesn't

make sense.

It's sort of like driving a car and you hit the gas, then the brake, then the gas, then

the brake.

So, you hate to drive behind those people, but actually that's a good thing.

That means your sympathetic drive that's making your run super fast is being modulated,

sort of checked with your parasympathetic, or the slow things down and it takes in the

bigger view.

The healing side.

The healing side.

Got it.

And that, HIV, heart rate variability, won't increase.

And then we look at morning quarters, all levels.

You can measure that.

Oh, you can.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, blood test, blood test, you can also do salivate.

Of course, I'll look at a circadian rhythm through the fourth day.

Let's test you.

It's on.

I love it.

You want to do a test?

Yeah, you got a test on you.

I don't have it on me, I'll send it to you.

Okay.

Yeah, I'll do one.

I love testing stuff.

Oh, great.

Yeah.

We got one more test.

I just test blood test.

I did a finger scan in the A4M.

Yeah.

I do the hoop.

Great.

Yeah, testosterone be great to test, too.

I was 566, which I felt like was low for my age.

Yeah.

It's very important to look at total, but also biologically available.

We call free testosterone or bi-available testosterone, both those measurements, because

total testosterone could be bound by other proteins, something called albumin, something

that was called sex hormone binding, go ahead, go ahead.

So looking at free and bi-available testosterone, so you might have a super high, free or

bi-available.

I think they measure those.

All charged.

Yeah.

So you want those like above 100 and 150, depending on the free.

Looking at, in your total might be low, 500.

But those are biologically active, that's what you care about.

And knowing your cortisol can help us understand your total testosterone, too.

I know that's high.

Because when I got my MRI at Pranovo, they said they could see the stress on it, so I

definitely have some of that.

Yeah, let's measure it.

Yeah.

I didn't know you could see stress on MRI, but apparently you can, you know, I'm glad

you didn't got those scans.

It's good.

It's a good way to learn.

That was a great scan, shout out to Pranovo.

Have you guys done that one?

I have.

Yeah.

That changed my life.

And a lot of our clients are them.

I learned so much about my, I did the brain one this time because they just launched

that.

That was really interesting, too.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And then you take all that data and then the question is, what do I do with it?

Right.

I threw it in the AI.

Right.

And half the time it's right.

Half time it's I threw it into four different ones because yeah, I wanted to see if there

were similarities.

Yeah.

I think it really helps to have a clinician don't navigate that.

So gram.

I ran through clinicians, too.

But I will say imaging, they've done, they've tested this.

So AI with a doctor versus AI alone, looking at images, you know, which one performed better.

AI with doctor.

Nope.

Really?

AI alone.

Yeah.

Because the doctors kept downgrading with the AI, they're, that's not right.

That's not right.

That's why we think, why AI alone, leave me alone.

I will do better, you know, eventually, hopefully doctors will have less hubris and

arrogance and learn to work with AI and then we'll see a better outcome.

Maybe.

But we'll find out.

I prefer my doctors embrace it right now, even my dentist uses it and I love it.

It's great.

You know, we use it all day long.

Yeah.

For scans and all that.

For scans and for everything, helping us, we like, so we have our interpretation that

we'll throw it in and see what it has to say and then it's sometimes totally accurate

and we, or says something we'd even think about and other times like, no, it's not

quite how it works here clinically and then we can massage it.

So it's up to a street.

Nice.

Yeah.

I love it.

Yeah.

We'll link that in the video.

Yeah.

I've always wanted to go to one of those.

So maybe I'll make an appearance.

Yeah.

Let's love it.

Let me have you come on down.

Yeah.

It's beautiful.

It's too early to learn about longevity.

Yeah.

I'm trying to reverse my biologically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm trying to reverse my biologically as I said.

That's right.

22.

Excellent.

Not bad, right?

We want to keep you at that marker right there.

You don't want to get too young.

I enjoy this.

I just don't agree with him.

He's 21, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We'll keep you at at 22 and then that's where you want to go.

That will be great.

Yeah.

Lifespan versus health span, right?

That's right.

That's right.

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