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Welcome to that med for idiots by idiots. I'm your host, Cory, the common idiot with my co-host

Kent, the doctor, idiot. And as you may have heard, we have another voice with us. Kent,

want to bring them in? All right. Today we have William Rush or as Bill, as he's more commonly

called, a genuine, bona fide director of film. You want to give us an introduction, Bill? Yeah,

sure. I'm a WGA writer and I'm a director of several films, some good. And I'm a practicing

attorney still in college. I actually got a degree in cognitive psychology in a minor

in a religious philosophy, which is strange, but it did. And every, you know, cognitive is not like

what's wrong with you mentally cognitive is how the brain works. So got to study a lot of brains

and stuff. And every elective I did was biology related at the zoology, like some always been in

animals, always been in the film and everything like that. Well, today we're going to talk about

animals in film. And, you know, this is where I generally like to have guests, because now I just

hand most of the episode over to Corey and let him take over. One, one thing I do want to bring up

before we get, because we're going to kind of treat this episode kind of like our some of our

fictional episodes that we've done in the past. But I do want to talk about how hard is it to

direct animals? So it's one of the sins you're not supposed to do as a director. It's extraordinarily

difficult. And animals going to behave no matter how well trained like an animal. So anytime you watch

a movie, for example, where you have a dog no matter how well behaved the dog is a big tell of like

no, this dog's not scary is they'll show the tail wagon. So like even it's something like

Kujo, where they went out of their way to edit, even with like a battering ram with a dream or a

St. Bernard had, and a couple occasions with a dude and a dog suit. It was so difficult to make those

animals not only behave the way they wanted, but to not look happy that they've done the job they've

done when there's somebody off screen saying, good boy, that's it, that's it. And their tails are

wagging a mile a minute. It's one of the like biggest directorial mistakes you can make. And on my

first film, I committed most of the other sins except for the animal. Don't shoot in weather.

Just don't do it. Don't base your film in a past time period. It makes everything far more

difficult. Don't shoot with children. So I shot a film that was reliant on snow to be happening

outside. And that did not work great. The children, it's tough. And of course, my film took place in

two eras, but one was the late 70s and the other was the late 90s. So when you've got Zina producing

trying like hell to get a pack of Campbell cigarettes from 1996, it just it leads to every

amount of pain in the ass. If I'd added an animal to that mix, that would have sucked. That being said,

if you forced me at gunpoint to pick working with children, and which I've had a great time doing

or working with well-trained animals, I'm going to take the animals. Your first film was a

dollar baby, too, wasn't it? It was. It was one for the road. Stephen King got the rights for that.

And you know, the worst part, you have a very strict time frame to get it done,

and there's a strict amount of minutes it could be, and the program no longer exists sadly, but

so we were the woman who runs it retired. Yeah, that was his sister-in-law.

So one of the tabby sisters, and then you have to submit, you have to give it a king and he watches it.

And if you hear something back like don't submit it to festivals or don't put a trailer out or

don't post it anywhere, then you know it's bad. If you hear nothing, it's good. In my case,

apparently liked enough that like IGN was doing an article on the best adaptations of this,

and they reached out the king, and I was one of the four that he sent, which I was shocked. Nice.

Stephen King used to have a program, or for those of you who don't know what we mean when we say

dollar baby, Stephen King used to have a program where you could buy the rights to like any of his

non-owned properties for a dollar, for if you're a young inspired filmmaker who thinks you can

like make a good story out of it. There was a festival on YouTube a couple of years ago

where they just played dollar babies of kings, which was actually pretty cool.

That's pretty cool. There's also a lot, really bad films in there. That's going to be a

lot of fun. Mike Flanagan actually, Oculus, was his first short, and he wanted the rights to

what is it? Reaper's image. 1402. 1408, but he ends up reaper's image, which is about a mirror

that's bad. Yeah, he's been already wrote. He didn't realize. Yeah, he's he's openly said he could

get sued for it, so like because it's like too close to and 1408 was already owned.

Good movie, too. We, you know, Zena and I met Mike Flanagan and Kate Seagull in Bangor,

Maine of all places, a few years back, right before I shot the damn movie, so that just

put a little more pressure and made me realize how much I suck. We're sucked at the time. I'm

kind of good now. I'm competent. Kind of good now. We love some self-depreciation here on

Vet Med4, it's by it is. Yeah, that's basically our MO, honestly. Yeah, people think it's a bit

but like we just have low self-esteem. Oh, I agree. I'm right there with you. We all have very

respected, respectable and respected life tracks to outside people that just look at resumes,

but you know, it's just three idiots having conversation. Exactly. Exactly. You are a movie idiot.

That's great. Absolutely. We'll be at it completely. All right. So kind of going back to the like

working with animals, what are like the biggest challenges, obviously, are them like because a dog

doesn't understand I should pretend to be mad. They're just doing this trick, if you will. Are there

any other challenges or any other frustrations? Or are they are they are they still easier to work

with like then say someone like Wesley Snipes? Well, I would first of all, in this house we celebrate

something called Snipes Denver and we hold him in very high esteem. I am prepared to defend money

train. I'm just there. But well, I can I can get dark for a second. So it really is incumbent.

Like animals have different, an animal can have a bad day. Just like we have a bad day.

So so much of it is incumbent on how good the trainer is and that but that's like true of

any specialty. So that's fair. No, we we shot a film group. There's a gun involved. Now we

didn't use a real gun. We used a very realistic pellet gun and it was not loaded. And even then we

had a gun expert control the gun and do a safety demonstration with a gun that couldn't be fired

and wasn't a real gun. You didn't want to brand and Lee. It's one train and Lee didn't want a

rust situation where somebody's one job is to do this thing. And I imagine or at least I've heard

that it's possible that even if you do get, you know, a good animal, a well-meaning animal,

but a bad trainer, you know, they can get caught up in whatever the hell is going on on set too.

And and that can kind of derail it. And then you get these very frustrating examples like

Jed the dog just and who was a half wolf who just kind of shows up on the set of the thing and

gives one of the most amazing performances when he walks down the hallway, everything he does. It's

like, well, that never happened. That just makes you angry. Like you guys probably remember,

I, you know, Zena and other people don't believe this is true. I said in the 70s, there was an

obsession where movies had, they were buddy cop movies or road comedy, road buddy movies, whatever.

And it was always an ape. And it happened on the TV. Clint Eastwood started two movies with

with an orangutan. So did Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan, a Bonzo, right? Yeah,

by the time with Anzo. Yeah, every, every other movie, it was like, you know,

one's a grizzled detective. The other is an ape.

They, you know, they would be unhinged. And then in the 80s, they changed that to buddy dog.

Dogs. I was just taking turner hoach. Yeah.

We're like, the dog really honestly should have gotten better at agents. The moment they committed

that dog to a contract to work with Jim Belushi, that was animal cruelty. And I think it should

be prosecuted. All right. I think we'll go into the movies. Now I have a seven on the list. We're

going to kind of bring them up kind of like with our fictional episodes that we've done before.

Kent's going to talk science blah blah about the dogs or the animal. And then we're going to talk

about some of the key scenes in there. What you as a director think made them so iconic or great

or conversely, if there's something that's like, oh, this was awful. Go in the other way,

you know, other side of like how I would have done that better. Oh, I do want to ask one more

one more thing because animals are difficult to work with. Is that why so much? Because even a

couple on this list are CGI. Is that why they do CGI? Like, because we've hit a point where

I could have a dog walking next to me in a movie. If I'm if I'm your starring actor,

I can just walk and just pretend like there's a dog there. You can put it in in in post. And

if your animator is good, people will think that's a real dog next to me the whole time.

Yeah. Well, and that is why I never use CG. We do certain after effects, but if it's not in

camera, I won't use it. So if I can't achieve it in camera, then it's out. And what you can do is

you can desaturate like specific colors or, you know, if I want to ghost there, I'm going to shoot

the ghost. Right. Have real footage and then you overlay it so you have one frame over the other

and you can fade the ghost in and out. But that's a real shot. I've gotten to real it's a real thing

as far as why you see so many more animals now is I think it's two things. One, it's lazy.

Two, it's cheaper. Even expensive animals are cheaper to achieve when you factor in the extra

time that you have to put on a day where you're using a real animal and a trainer. If you don't get

the shot the right way, you know, and the animal has to get used to these people that it's working

around. And you know, so for example, they wouldn't let the Wallace anywhere near any of the dogs

because then they would be friendly to her and she wouldn't have this good reaction. So a dog can

have an off day if you've lost a day, if you've burned all that film, you know, studios have determined

that it's it's more expensive to lose a day than to paint a dog in. But I think that's inexcusable.

Now, where you we're using an animal like, you know, it's very difficult to train and has no real

human body like an alligator or a crocodile of certain states. I mean, that makes sense in a way

to do it. But I also think that's kind of lazy too because, you know, the shark looked faked and

faking jaws and it doesn't matter. But when you get the attack scene, Spielberg was smart enough to

do in that movie is he used actual shots of a great white attacking a cage from Australia. It

was actually shot. It was done. So you've got the real shark and then everything you intersperses

there. So even if you you can't use an animal because they're unpredictable, untrainable, it's

it still benefits to do something like that and to get wildlife photography into it to fill in those

gaps. But I mean, that's kind of the only excuse where and again, that's not even factoring in

the ability to make animatronics, which is always the better still if a brilliant film critic

and and pocket host named Chris cabin, something up is easier than anything else.

Actual light hitting an actual object is better than anything else. And it's true because it

gives you an idea that it's there and it doesn't matter how bad it looks. It will hold it will hold

up every time. It makes sense. But it's true. Disney actually mentioned recently trying to get like

their TV shows budgets in order. And so with Agatha all along, they used a lot of practical effects.

And I was like, why do people not use more practical effects when it's also cheaper?

And that just surprised me. Anyway, moving on.

Because you see a lot of CG blood now, we use real fake blood. I mean, literally in our house.

But yeah, I was like, is he going to say real blood?

Real fake tangible blood.

Yeah, I don't know, probably 30 or 40 gallons of different types of blood here at any given time.

And to the point where the one basement downstairs, I retiled it and used it for a shot

and the grout still read and the blood shows. If I ever saw the house, I've got some explaining to do.

And there's also the end of body parts. Like it's fine. But like I part of me understands why

you go to that. Because when you shoot a shot and you get it perfect, but you need a different angle,

that's in a car cleanup. And then the blood has matched. But that that's something that can be done.

You just planned advance and CG blood always looks terrible to me.

Right. Yeah. We just don't use it. But I understand why. And bear in mind, we're talking about

psychos like Stanley Kubrick. That blood elevator scene was real. It was happening. And they had

to reclean it and repaint it. And he did it multiple times. I mean, it was pig blood too, wasn't it?

Yep, fake blood, but no CG. But they had to clean it. If you actually watch the scene they use,

you can see the blood rush out and then it jumps up and goes over a white wall. It leaves a mark

like flowing water that would be repainted, redone, because I'm sure you're right.

Time. Yeah. But he's a monster. Well, genius for monster. I love love Kubrick. He's one of my

favorite directors, but so was Romero. And he was notorious. He used a lot of pigs blood if I recall.

I think a lot of actors did at one point back in the day. He was cheaper, much bigger.

Pigs blood and then also chocolate syrup and in the early black and white,

in night or yeah, night of living dead, he used a chocolate syrup.

It looks better than black and white. Because yeah, exactly.

I tested it myself and it's, yeah, significantly better. And if you're using a kid, they are like

licking the props and I'm not joking. It's fun. For what it's worth, I just turned 40 and I'd be

over here like, just licking the props too. So when they're faced like a vampire, you see a mess

in up their vampire makeup, just like dogs on that same thing, but don't give chocolate the dogs

for God's sake. No, it's toxic, toxic. All right, speaking of dogs, our first one is everyone's

favorite happy cuddly dog, Kujo. So we'll talk about dog diseases a lot in this podcast,

weird. That podcast would talk about that. But I mean, specifically with Kujo, what I want to

cover is, and actually, Bill and I have had this conversation is Kujo is not the monster in that

story. No, he's about poor ownership. And that's actually kind of what I'd like to focus on with

Kujo more. That whole movie is, or that whole story. And we've talked about him before too. Yeah,

that whole story is avoidable if, you know, you vaccinate your fucking dog. Literally that's it,

that's that's all. Yeah, no, it's done. The whole movie is done. Although bats aren't the

Kujo gets spray bees from a bat in that book and movie. And bats are not the most common vector

for babies anymore. It's actually skunks. Yeah, skunks are good to avoid generally for other

reasons, famously too. So true story, a skunk, they're scent glands. They have to like recharge

them after they spray. So they try. Yeah, they plug a USB C3 in there. And

like a pit fight for his venom. Yeah. Yeah. And so they try really hard to

to not use them. So if your dog gets sprayed by a skunk, you know, he's scared the shit out of

that skunk. Kind of literally. Yeah, a little literally. Yes. These are true that possums don't

care rabies. They're blood pressure or blood temperatures too low. Yeah. So they're

genuinely good to like have in your neighborhood. So people like, well, you know, trap possums and

try to move them out of their neighborhood, but they're, you know, they can't transmit rabies

because they're body temperatures too low. They eat ticks. So, you know, you're less likely to

get lime. They're, they're one of the more helpful things to have around. Yeah, I like.

I like them. I got lime disease once. And then I was good by that. Yeah, yeah. They didn't

diagnose it for months. It ruined a lot of things for a while. But then

it's a lot of disease. It's a serious thing. Avoid it at all costs. And then I was moving stuff in.

I was unaware that it was during that mating season. And the females are very hungry.

I had to have left the garage door open. All night moving stuff in. I had a door to the house

opens back. I didn't notice getting in the middle of the night. Didn't know that either. Then I saw

the bath the next night had an itchy spot. And I'm like, I should just go get it checked out.

End it up with the rabies shop, which really aren't bad. I mean, back in the 80s,

you know, when we were kids, it was like, yeah, dirty shops. In the stomach, yeah.

Yeah, seven shots, one in each arm. We're one in each appendage. Then you get to choose

the other three when you go back. So, and I'm, I understand that I'm now rabies proof.

Essentially 10 years. Yes. You should be, if you're interested, you should get your

titers checked. Because like, yes, that is what the post-exposure treatment and just a bunch

of vaccines, right? And immunity is never like guaranteed. So like, you should get your

titers checked and see if you're, but I will say as someone who's actually had the rabies vaccine,

because it required for my job. Like, it is the only vaccine outside of the third time I got

vaccinated for corona that legitimately kicked my ass. Just knock you out.

Yeah, the one needs to, whatever they do. Yeah, it's not pleasant.

Yeah, for real. If your insurance covers it, like, I still recommend it. The way we

prevent rabies in the country is by vaccinating our dogs with the exception of Kujo.

Who had a totally negligent and non-present family owners.

The dogs literally murdering people and dad doesn't realize it. Like,

that's true. It's legitimately just the story of a shitty owner.

Yeah, if I don't, if I don't hear from banks or Briggs, by the way, I don't know if I've

announced it on the show, but I have a new property. His name's Briggs. Anyway, don't care.

If I don't see them, if I don't lay eyes on them, like, for two minutes, like, I immediately,

like, start panicking that they got outside or like, you know, I have to go around and do a check

and like, Oh, okay, sleeping on my bed. Oh, this one's sleeping under the table.

If Mewdie's not around me for more than a couple minutes, I tend to be like that suspicious.

What is she doing wrong? And I know she can't murder anyone because her face is stupid.

And I know, I know Ken, you're a love of Huskies. And we have a half Husky, quarter German Shepherd,

quarter raw, two favorite breeds. And Huskies, he was a man who didn't buy it and

he can tent somewhere. And he ate a fresh loaf of bread off the counter. He's a real smart

of a bitch, but I love him. Are all dogs really? Yeah, they are. I love them, but they're also on the

bitches. Oh, kujo. Yeah. So actually technically literally there's tons of bitches if they're

if they're real. That's fact. Hey, or a kujo. So tell us something about the diseases and stuff.

Well, that against her disease. I think it only in the rabies, but it's the only

vaccinated for anything. I mean, yeah, probably. So, um, and he wouldn't have had he digs into a whole

that's how the bat happens. It's not at night. It's during the day and he like chases a rabbit.

He chases it. Yeah, ends up being a kid. And I'm not sure how common it is for bats to have caves

like that low underground and lift the Northeast, but that's where he gets.

Right. It's it's worth noting, Stephen King doesn't remember writing that book at all,

which he doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I will say if I had a cocaine problem and kept

writing bestselling novels like while on cocaine, what's it would make it really hard for me to

quit? So I give him all the kudos in the world for getting clean when, um, like, yeah, you can wake

up with a fully formed novel and submit it and be like, oh, this is not the bestselling novel.

Anyway, enough about cocaine. We're here to talk about dogs and rabies. Um, the primary,

primary vaccine that he's missing is rabies. That's the disease that makes him go rabbit, not to

use that, you know, it makes him go crazy. He kills a bunch of people, including a small child.

Um, anyway, the the parvo, oh, I guess I should say spoiler alert there for a,

but we're spoiling all these films. I assume 40 year old book and even older,

all right, 40 year old movie and even older. Yeah. I was gonna say this, this, this, this movie is,

is close to getting ARP. So like, yeah, yeah, if you haven't read kujo right now and you're like,

god damn it. This spoiled the book for me. Then, you know, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's still a really good

book. It's a good read and it's quick actually for, you know, when king books tend to be like

within the thousands of pages. Sometimes it's it's one of his shorter ones. Um, parvo wasn't actually

a disease then that popped up in the 80s. And so you wouldn't have had a vaccine for it.

Um, this temper is something he could get, he could get, which is a respiratory virus.

All, all, yeah, kennel cough. Um, it was around at that time too. Uh, that's a lifestyle vaccine,

though, that's not core. Um, gotcha, gotcha. So that's like, if you're gonna kennel him, it's,

well, yeah, like at this point, if, uh, if Mr. Kujo, I forget the main character's name. Um,

I'll come to me. Yeah, Mr. Kujo is fine. We'll go with Mr. Kujo. If Mr. Kujo was my client, um,

and I could just convince him to get the rabies vaccine, I would take that as a big win.

Um, the use of of his wife and children, I think it was hapskin.

You're yes. Sounds about right. Just like you're asking. So if, if, if I come to you and I say,

I can, for sake of any argument, I can only afford to give my dog one vaccine. What would you choose?

Would it be rabies? rabies? Yeah. Absolutely. That's the one that's legally required in most states.

That's fair. That pretty, okay. So obviously, and I don't know if there's a single documented case

this, but my understanding is in humans at least, the moment symptoms show, that's, that's it for

you. Yeah. Is that true of dogs as well? Um, if you're showing symptoms of rabies, we put you

into quarantine. Um, if you're vaccinated and if you continue to show symptoms of rabies,

you're, uh, euthanized and your brain is sent off to do science with, um, like because it is that

serious, you know, the, how we control rabies as like a, from a public health standpoint is by

vaccinating the vector's closest to us, right? And a vector is anything that transmits disease.

For us, the vector's closest to us are our pets. So that's why it's legally required because

that yeah, you're right. The second you start to show symptoms, um, it's, it's pretty much,

there have been around 30 cases of rabies and people that have, um, come back from it because

nothing is 100% fatal, like nothing works the same way all the time. Um, but rabies is as close

to 100% fatal as you can get. Um, when you consider the millions of cases over time and there's

roughly 30 some that have come back. It's essentially less than, yeah, it's less about zero.

So is the movie correct that kind of once Kujo's exhibiting actual symptoms, it's, it's done. He's,

he's done. There's no one that he would have been, he should have been in quarantine specifically

to prevent the events of the movie. Um, and, uh, but you have to pay attention to your dog for that.

But you have to pay attention to your dog. And I believe Haskum, um, by the time he figures out,

Kujo actually has, um, rabies is, he's getting eaten by him because he's, yeah, and there's other

such bodies. Yeah, there's literal dead bodies in his barn. Yeah, he, yeah, he's, um, has no idea.

Because like, Kujo has killed multiple people by that point. Um, does it, does it bother you

from a vet standpoint, though, that Kujo still has like great coordination and can like run down

and hunt down people with ease? Um, when you get, no, don't you typically lose, like, you have

kind of a shamble have, uh, a, a gate, a different day eventually. Um, so yeah,

couple of days of the events of the film are really, yeah. So it's, it's, it's really, um, yeah,

like I said, eventually you should have that, um, but Bill's right in this situation. Um,

Kujo should be fine at that point. Like, he should be able to just, you know,

hold an entire town, um, captive because he's, uh, he's a 200 pound dog.

Um, and it's a castle rock. I think where he's at, too, in that, it is, um, castle rock,

needful things and the dark half are all books that take place in. I almost know as much about

Stephen King as I know about veterinary medicine. Right here. I own literally every book,

all but the dark tower, first editions, most of those, uh, kind of, kind of, um, kind of,

so also the dead zone takes place in there and in the book, spoiler alert, there's a connection to

the dead zone. That's not the here and over there. What's interesting about the film, too, is

obviously the family for wherever reason, um, the, and it's not that the family owns Kujo. It's

the family that gets under siege by Kujo. They, they have a Jaguar. I think it was the next,

an X, J 12, very expensive car for the time, uh, and a Pinto, both of which are named after animals,

but they chose a Pinto as the backup, which is their, what they're trapped in. Um, uh, I think it's,

I think it's actually a better king film than a lot from the 80s into the 90s. Beautiful things

is also criminally underrated in both forms. Uh, but, uh, Yandabont was the cinematographer for,

Kujo. He invented a technique. If, if you know the car scene when they're trapped in the camera

spins entirely around, he cut a hole in the roof. Yandabont did and did this. Um, and Yandabont is

working with these dogs. He previously worked on a movie, which I, I still haven't seen, but he's

notorious, uh, called Roar. And, um, this is all true. Titi Hadron and her crazy husband and their

daughter Melanie Griffith decided that they could live amongst lions, like African lions. Um, I

think there were a couple of, uh, bangle tigers, um, and some other large cats. Uh, and I don't mean

a few, I mean a lot and would let them come in the house and then decided to make a narrative film

around this. Uh, Melanie Griffith got attacked quite badly. Titi, who claimed Hitchcock was so evil,

leaves was the worst guy ever, but worked with him afterward, maybe because of birds, chose to

bring her daughter in front of lions and work with those. And Yandabont was the director of photography

for that. And he was scalped by a lion's mouth. Uh, and he went on to shoot Die Hard, which is, uh,

the greatest Christmas film of all time and one of the perfect, perfect films ever made. That's

fact. Uh, and then he got, it says random dumb movie knowledge. So while he's shooting Die Hard,

there, there's the elevator scenes. He gets trapped in one of those elevators with his camera and

everything for a while. And while he's in there, he gets the idea for a movie where it happens and

he ends up directing speed, you know, six years later. So Yandabont, the cinematographer, uh, from,

from Kujo, uh, George T was the director, um, came up with a lot of really clever techniques.

There really are two guys in St. Bernard suits filling in for Kujo in scenes that are in the film.

And I watched it. I can't tell you where those are. The only one I can, uh, pick out for

sure is when they use the battering ram head. And that's when Kujo ramps full on into the side of

a, which, you know, Ford knew how to make the body of a car, but not any of the components that

would make it work as a car. So that's also very realistic. Um, so it's, it's just a, you know, he,

he's a brilliant, brilliant cinematographer. Um, and I think he also shot Predator, which, uh,

oh, really? Yeah. May or may not have a real depiction of a scorpion in it, but I don't know what

the Predator anatomy is other than green blood. All right. That's a good one. I'd

ready to move on to the next one. Absolutely. I know what there's two films I want to bring up to

you because I love your show. Um, not one is animal related. So I'll just ask, have you heard of

the documentary zoo? Um, no. Okay. Zoo is the film when we have guests over that haven't heard

of it. I say you got to sit down and watch a really great documentary because everyone should

be as disturbed as I. Um, and then I show it to guests and we have a fun time. Um, it's very hard

to get. I had to buy a lot of standard definition DVD. Is it, uh, directed by a Frederick Weisman?

I believe so. There should be a horse on the cover. Yep. Okay. Okay. Mine is showing the cover

on elephant on the cover. Oh, no, that's not a diet of paratinitis due to a perforation of the

colon after engaging in receptive anal sex with a horse. Okay. That's definitely not what I was

looking at. And it's not an IMGB. So oh, no, they try to make sure you don't ever get to see this,

but I recommend it. And then I'm going to recommend it highly. Um, zoo refers to, and I was unaware

of this until watching the documentary zoo refers to a group of people who do exactly what this guy

did. Um, now the laws have changed. They tried to prosecute the other people. And by the way,

they maintain that their sex with farm animals. They weren't exclusive to horses. So I guess that's

good on them that they were open. But, um, they say there's nothing wrong with what they do. And

yet they insist their names be changed. Their voices be changed. And their faces be pixelated. But

there's totally nothing wrong with their activities. I'm going to say if there's something I believe,

and I'm going to say it with my whole chest, nothing, you know, also I found it and interesting that

the box office, uh, income for it was 69,000. Nice. Um, but it's, it's, it's worth watching. It's

a really good documentary. And it's the most messed up document. They don't show anything. But

people casually talking about why their particular love life choices are totally fine. One being

shocked that he was fired, uh, by the owner of the farm, like, just couldn't believe that he was

fired. It is wild. And they reenact some scenes, mainly the guy running with a bunch of CDs,

like CD ROMs to picture it and put it and spilling them into the field. The cops found them.

No charges filed because under the laws of time, they could not prove that the animal

animal suffered any pain as a result. So, but the animal can't consent. They've changed the laws

in most states. I'm not sure where the animal falls now. Um, but

and what's the, uh, what's the other movie? The other one is really, so, um, I, you know,

if I'm talking about my ass, you can tell me, but, uh, my understanding, you know, when I was,

when I was in law school, um, I was roommates with, with a lawyer and two doc, two doctors.

And they told me like, uh, both emergency room doctors and they're like, yeah, you know, we

wanted to be that's, but that's harder to do. Like statistically, it's harder to get into.

Um, it's less opportunity. You got to, you have to have higher scores in a lot of different fields.

And it's, so it's very difficult. In, in France, it's actually far more difficult. I think

there are only four recognized veterinary colleges. And, uh, Julia DeCrono, who shot the film, uh,

Tatain, which is brilliant, highly recommend. Uh, her first debut was called raw. And it's about, uh,

woman who goes to veterinary school, her sisters two years ahead of her, they're already.

And let's just say there's an initiation, right? And at the Toronto Film Festival,

people passed out during the screening of raw and had to be taken out of the theater.

Uh, it's a fantastic film. Um, and it's all about these people at vet school and the traditions,

what they're learning, what they do. So just since I'm out of that show, I figured I would bring

up a documentary about, you know, somebody engaging in potentially non-consensual, uh, intercourse

with, uh, equine or a very sort of, um, and, uh, bring up a show that's actually, or a movie that's

actually about, uh, the veterinary school process and, uh, things I assume happened in the film

filmed and did not happen with, uh, with Kent. I, I regularly see on social media, like my classmates

being like, uh, mothers and fathers now. And I'm always like, I've watched you snort cocaine off

of some human's dong. Um, and, and I'm just like, and that was incredible.

Not only are we doctors like, it's, uh, uh, like vet school is wild.

I have three daughters and I think that should be a requirement to get into law school,

but you just describe, I think it's just wild to me. Like, uh, I mean, yeah, it's a, it's a debaucher

as time for sure. Um, but, uh, I mean, as far as it being harder to get into vet school,

I don't necessarily know that that's true. I always tell people they let me in, so it can't be that

difficult. Um, so you're not as dumb as you give yourself credit for sometimes.

Yes. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, all right.

Taking the next step though, um, because I haven't seen this movie in a long time,

but it scared the ever loving fuck out of me as a kid. And my understanding is it was based on

a true story. And that's, uh, the ghost and the darkness. Yes, it is based on a true story.

Um, so, and in fact, if you're ever in Chicago, uh, I think it's the field museum. Yeah,

the field museum. They have the lion. They have both of, yeah, there's, there were two lines. Now,

the number is very disputed as to how many humans these two lions killed, but they had, um,

it turned out they were targeting humans. I mean, you think about Africa and what, what

alliance, uh, normal prey would be something like a wildebeest. Now, if one of us,

to go one-on-one with a wildebeest, it's going to kill us.

Oh, we're not going to get chance. It's over. I think, honestly, an antelope would,

would fuck up the unbelief if it was in a mood to, and you've got Cape Buffalo, which maybe the

most other than hippo dangerous mammal in Africa. And, um, it turned out they had these serious teeth

problem when they did DNA testing on them. They confirmed without any shadow, without that they

had eaten humans, but the number is disputed. But if we're going with the low, and it's like

in the 40s of people, um, because their teeth, uh, right, they went up to,

28 to 31 is what I found, which like, hungry. Yeah. There's up to 28.

28's a lot. Like Ted Bundy is, you know, starting to get worried about his record getting

broken. Yeah, absolutely. By a cat. But turned out these humans building this railroad,

that's a much easier meal for a lion with bad teeth than, you know, a wildebeest or,

or a flow or anything like that. And so they, you know, it was, it was hubris, um, you know,

hubris, uh, of, of, of the English empire, the likes of, of governmental hubris, we, we,

would never see again until 2016 or so. And, uh, I'm not saying we're going to be by lines.

I'm just saying there's a more realistic chance of it than ever before. And, um,

the movie's really well shot. It's Val Kilmer, um, and uh, Michael Douglas, they both play real

guys. Now they play very fast and loose with what the real events were. But it's an effect film,

and I think the lions other than a sort of almost supernatural power that they kind of occasionally

have, um, it's really well done. Um, and the only other variation, which I totally understand

what they did, it was the, the real male lions in the incident did not have mains, which,

which occasionally is true of certain, certain prides, certain types of areas. Um, so obviously,

for the cinematic purposes, you give them a main because otherwise, you know, your average

moviegoer is going to see a lioness, even though they're just as dangerous if not more so.

Um, right. It doesn't have that cinematic quality, but it's a really well done film. It's very

suspenseful. It's got enough of the historical elements, sort of like Titanic, um, where you can

embellish a little bit for cinematic purposes. And it's effective. It's well, well done.

One of my professors in vet school always called cats, nature's perfect sociopath. And like,

uh, that cats aren't different, right? Like the difference between a big cat and a small cat,

like taxonomically is just the difference in a highway bone, which is a bone your throat,

which gives them the, the real ability to roar. Like so, um, Cheetahs are, uh, this is where we get

into like me being a cat nerd. Um, Cheetahs are almost, yeah. Cheetahs are qualified as a small cat,

because they actually purr. Um, they don't roar. Um, and it's, yeah, that's really the only

difference. So they actually make a, they're used often as like ambassador animals,

because with a lion or tiger, like their first instinct, um, if they're spooked is to

fuck you up beyond repair. And they can easily, and they can. Whereas a Cheetahs first instinct,

because you know, Cheetahs are the fastest, um, mammal on land. Um, their first instinct is to run.

Um, and anyway, so they use them as a lot. Like you, when you go to a zoo and they're introducing

quote unquote big cats, they'll use Cheetahs even though they're technically a small cat.

And they purr, which I always thought was adorable. Anyway, um, so your big cats, like,

hunt, they did a study on house cats in general or feral cats, I guess would be

more particular. And they just followed them around and with cameras and saw how much they murdered.

Um, things that. Just for funsies.

Things that that's for you. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Cats will,

cats will, um, only consume about 50%. If I, quoting this correctly, 50% of what they kill.

So that, I mean, that's only half way. It's not always a kill too. Sometimes they'll

name and just let it suffer. And they'll play with an entry animal. They're toying with their food.

They're literally literally literally will toy with their food. Um, so about in 75% of, um,

what cats, um, kill, you will never see. So almost three fours. I mean, well, three fours. So

the number was 75%. Um, so cats kill all the fucking time. And to think that, you know, um, lions were

actually, um, you know, not. Just like you said, like, um, finding that humans were just way

easier prey than a fucking wildebeest or, um, you know, they were that smart. And it was like,

oh, these weird, um, foods have come through my land. And I will eat them. Um, and so they

just started hunting people because cats at their heart of hearts are fucking sociopaths.

I can't imagine, like a bigger cat would just kill for that. Like, because they have, like a

chia, which is a small cat and blows my mind, but I'm, I'm accepting that. Like killing, like,

they have to like eat. So it's different for the bigger cat. Like, where they're killing for an

absolute food-based reason, or do they kill for funsies too? I do believe like your large cats will

also just kill for fun. I do know they, they also kill, uh, for competition. Like, they'll,

they'll try to wipe out hyenas. Like, they find a couple like one or two hyenas on their own.

They'll kill it because now you've just killed something that could kill your food.

Well, they're, they're thieves. They have the strongest, fun fact, they have the strongest

fight force of all land animals. They also have weird penis, which I can't remember. I can't

remember exactly what hyenas, what it's wrong with their genitals, but I remember it being strange.

Well, I assume, you know, if Jeffrey Epstein were an animal, he would have been a hyena.

He wasn't an animal. Listen, no, listen. No, I don't know, a dog is like that.

Corkscrew, well, for again, Corkscrew penis, yes. Yeah, familiar with ducks. I happen to like that.

They also will go ham on like a dead, like they find a dead body. They'll just be like, uh, I'm

going to go nuts with it. Penguins too. Yeah, ducks will, uh, they will, they will

like, if they're, if they're in the mood, they'll even like, satimize other male ducks. They will

find a dead female and just go nuts on it. They will, uh, and then penguins too. Like the penguins

actually, some will actually attack like penguin, penguinlings, um, you know, baby penguin penguin

chicks until it's dead. That's a, I, I once, uh, chased a penguin down a flight of stairs and

it was the cutest thing that's ever happened to me. They have great, um, ducks and penguins

just have great PR. I mean, yeah, it's all about PR. I gotta see who represents penguins and see

if I can get in on that. Yes, we definitely, we need them as our, uh, our, uh, whatever you call it,

a publicist. Um, uh, female spotted hyenas have a pseudo penis, which isn't elongated clitoris

up to seven inches resumming. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, pretty much. But these are

the females. So they use the structure for urination, copulation, and notably to give birth, um,

because yeah, it's, it's, uh, yeah, hyenas are also aliens, but so are cats,

that's their aliens. Um, so about diseases, um, uh, lions can get, though,

it's back on topic, because this is going to probably be broken up into a two-parter, because

we're about, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, we're definitely going to do a two, let's

give you a two-parter. I'm doing one more. Yeah. Um, but, um, anyway, so one disease that I

just wanted to see if they can get is they can actually get FIP. Um, and it's just as common as it

is in house cats, but any disease that a house cat can get also, um, your, your big cats can get.

So FIP, F-I-V, F-E-L-V, um, that's leukemia and, I mean, a deficiency virus for those at home,

Cory, no, it's not cat AIDS. Not have, um, that whatever, I can't actually remember what AIDS

stands for right now, uh, for top wire and immune efficiency syndrome, yeah. Yeah. Um, anyway,

so they can get all those, they can also get distemper. Um, and yeah, all viral, um, for the

most part, incurable. Um, those are the big ones. Uh, well, that raises a question. Um, so,

so they have the same problems per elections as your house cat. Um, they're practically the same

animal, um, wild in and of itself, but then I'm just going to add, like, I know I'll talk about

movies, but we're talking about facts. Unfortunate as they may be. Have you gentlemen seen the Tiger

King? Um, actually, a friend of mine worked for him. Oh, okay. So I have never seen the Tiger King

because nothing can be crazier than the stories that Joe told me. And, uh, yeah, I just, like,

he actually, like, um, stole a girl and helped her break out of the Tiger King's facility because

she was like, there, um, against her will. And so he, like, helped her break out. And it's just like

this, he told me this at dinner one night about working for this guy. And I would tell the stories

if I thought I could do them justice, but really you just need Joe to tell them because he's such a

soft spoken person who gets really animated when he talks about working for the Tiger King.

This isn't Joe Exotic, right? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You know, jokery, you know,

difference. There's there's more than one, Joe. Um, yeah. I know. But that raises some

alarming questions that I forget the human traffic in quasi cult element to what you just said.

that so we talked about Kujo and clearly neglectful or unsuitable dog owners and we have a strange hill

William that's the proper term we'll use. A bunch of large cats and bears and I think it's safe to

say at this point that that he was a less than than qualified owner of normal cats and he had all

of these. Yes so yeah that would presumably lead to a recipe for disaster which it did and probably

any of these private privately owned exotic animal collections those people probably the same issue

so and I know the circus is wrong can you make me feel good about going to a zoo like a qualified

zoo? Yes so not every zoo I actually we're going to have an episode about zoom medicine coming up

so I when that gets dropped I'll make sure that we ask in that question because like yes I can

not every zoo is going to be great like so you know like going to your small town wilderness

parks that have poor enclosures and whatnot like clearly those aren't wonderful right but you

places like the Detroit Zoo actually do a lot in terms of preservation and stuff like that to make

sure that they're helping these animals exist so your children I don't have children but you

guys between the two of you I think you have 215 kids around there I lose count yeah so you know

make sure that your children and their children can enjoy these animals in the wild in the future

because you know that stuff is expensive right I can even probably put together a good argument for

big game hunting when done properly when big game hunting is done properly because like a lot of

that money goes to conservation efforts as well and things like if you have rhinos

live in a hierarchical hierarchic world say that word for me car I think you said it perfectly

the first hierarchical yeah yeah there we go nailed anyway and sometimes my tongue's too fat for my

mouth and I stumble over words anyway like they live in a system where you know one male is kind

of in charge of everything and they'll get to an age where they stop breeding so you have a bunch

of billionaires in the United States who have tiny tiny tiny penises and need to kill an animal

to feel good about themselves right so if they want to pay a million dollars to shoot a rhino who

stop breeding and has actually prevented procreation of the species then that can be a helpful thing

because like it's like it's like like a trimming a nub on a plant at that point yeah absolutely

to grow better yeah so you can actually you know get a herd to be a much healthier herd by

getting rid of a sick old rhino and then all that money that that person spent like the owner

of Jimmy Johns because you know he feels bad about himself and I will not stop putting down the

people who pay to do this because I do find it cowardly because like like we're this is about cats

right so hunting big cats I've been you know very very clear that that they're not really that much

different than house pets right like with the exception that they're bigger and can eat your face

in a second so they spend 20 hours a day sleeping so those guys that are posing with like a jaguar

probably just went up to it in a golf cart or some sort of safari vehicle probably not a golf

cart because they probably don't get around to Africa too well in golf carts

um and just shot it while it was asleep like it is it is an incredibly cowardly thing to make

you feel good about yourself right and that's that's what I will never not put those people down

but I can make an argument that you know that money can be used for good things right I know

I feel by you know being actually educational so I apologize that's it's my doing but you know

if I mean I'll talk about this shit for days well because well you raised a huge

point though when when it comes to because because I would think that a rhino in in in that particular

physical or or if you want to call that stage of its life or or a lion which I'm again alarmed to

find they're kind of the same as house cats that's that's makes me more afraid of them but

you know other than which does help their population survive is the rhino in that circumstance

that that that's being hunted is that rhino more at risk from its its its own family its own group

or is it the risks and dangers associated with being an animal in the wild and being compromised

or passed its prompt to answer your question yes because like in any system where you know like

the top dog stops doing his job rhino's just essentially you describe them as like mafia dons

in my opinion so like in any system and we'll also ask all these questions to Ian because he may

have some correction on this but this is my understanding of it

they're also called bento unicorns by the way yes they're they're the closest thing to dinosaurs

and unicorns that you can see in real life so they're dino corns anyway so like the younger bulls

will try to take out the male if he's sick or diseased but you can be a very healthy very strong

rhino who's just stopped breeding because you got too old and you're just kind of over it

like so that rhino probably just wants to sit around and feed his pigeons and put horse heads in

the the beds of men who have wronged his daughter and actually that's probably not actually what

happened in the godfather but it's not I can give it to you word for word there was there was a

dispute over there and also a producer was refusing to give Johnny a decent role even though he

deserved so the you know veto corleon made him an offer he couldn't refuse by killing is a

number one race or a cartoon as a member of the horse not that I love the godfather

my biggest question for that scene specifically like how the fuck did at least one person probably two

or three people bring this whole horse's head and half his neck in and like slide it into his bed

without him waking up i'm happy to answer that uh

quite armor well oh no no there's a there's a there's a logistical explanation these

stables for his many horses was far from the mansion and also this is a Hollywood producer

he didn't have security beyond the gates so Tom Hagen played by the late RIP Robert Vaugh

brought some people with him to California when he was having this discussion he was insulted

so he just had his people go cut off the head they stuck into the house no alarm system nothing

all they had to do was get through the gate my mansion would have quickly cut off its head

slip put under back out but like i if someone steps foot in my bedroom my eye wakes up what was

their contingency plan then where they're just gonna be like don't move i'm your sleep parallelisus

diamond or demon yes imagine they were fine throwing the head right at him i imagine a horse had

ways a great deal i'm sure it does don't know for sure i've not handled one nor have i

decapitated or harmed a horse in any way um other than occasionally eating at McDonald's i think

there might be some questionable decisions beyond that um you can eat horse sushi in Japan i don't

want to i don't either they're they're low i would i probably wouldn't it would it kind of grosses

me out but people have um horses are loaded with parasites um anyway so let's uh oh that's good

go ahead no i'm this whole episode kind of just a big detour and i'm kind of loving it so i am too

i'm let's just continue i'm fascinated by animals i'm asking no you're great no this is actually

really great i'll get i'll get what i was getting at is like i said it's been a

a while since i've seen the movie but i vividly remember some pretty gnarly attack scenes

where the when the the lions were doing the hunting and obviously some of them were kind of if i

remember correctly they're a little bit obscured like kind of in in where they do in horror movies where

they kind of like let your imagination do more of the work than the actual film itself um

things scarier than your own imagination yeah everything between these two years is terrifying but um

yes especially your face but how would you how would you have shot uh how would how did they shoot those

scenes and would you have done it any different or did they get it pretty much perfect in your eyes

i think they got it perfect because what they're shooting if you if you break it down so if you were

to watch that film say with the no sound no subtitles um what you would see is a slasher film where

the killer killers just happen to be lions so um you know and they did use real lions for several

the scene and other real animals um which you would typically not use weirdly enough since we

mentioned joe exotic a lot of his animals were have been used in famous films you know i guess the

the the most obvious one would be the hangover the the the tiger in the bathroom um that was a

joe exotic animal um and a lot of these fakes is uh which are wrong and shouldn't exist uh

loan their animals out to hollywood for these purposes but again you're talking about a handler

uh i honestly don't know that there's such a thing as an effective lion handler there maybe

i'm wrong um but you know you get it to stand in a spot you get it to growl and move and then

you know there's a large infirmary so you you cut to the infirmary and you have the white sheet

separating the individual beds and you see the lion charge the lion cuts and then it's a slasher

the blood hits the lit white sheet between us and the person being attacked that's a

credibly effective way to do it and then that's yeah that's shot um it's also a much simpler setup

so um my guess would be that for every actual lion and animal shot you saw in that film they were

likely shot all at the same time over the course of four or five days and um uh and nights and then

you just have that footage the way you want it and then you would frame your shots make sure you get

the right camera lens um and then the sound does so much of the heavy lifting uh right in a horror

film and i would call it pretty close to a horror film i would think if you're getting a bunch of

people slaughtered but if it was a person slasher that there's no question that's a horror film

animals shouldn't change that that calculus so you you've you've done it that way and you've set it up

and then you add the score and and of course in that film the landscape that you use in shooting

actually outside lends so much credibility to to you being in a place you don't belong where these

dangers are very real um i can't think of any scene i would have shot different um i don't like

when characters make stupid decisions and for the most part they avoid uh having the characters

make stupid decisions in the film so no i really wouldn't change much about it at all and uh

Michael Douglas you know never wanted to be an actor he was an academy award-winning producer

and very successful one of that he had an active talent and he believed in this film so much he

was not attached to to to to be an actor at all he was the producer on the film because he believed in

it um and then it just couldn't cast his character and Michael Douglas who doesn't love being in

films very much was like art yep yep i'll i'll put on a terrible way that i will i mean it's a

very effective way he gives him a very terrible haircut uh he steps in and does it so i think they

do it brilliantly there's a there's a scene with a trap uh that involves like a trailer

a cage and a trip switch where the line would presumably walk in can't get through the metal

cage part and they shoot and it's nobody makes a stupid decision per se in that but what they did

was they had to keep warm and they had to have light so that kerosene landed which of course in

the fracas gets knocked over and starts a fire so i mean that's a really well done way of doing it

as opposed to have somebody who suddenly loses the ability to know how to start a car um or or

something manufactured like fondness with their keys for fifteen years right or you know there's

another scene where they climb a tree and they're sitting in a tree that for hours that's inherently

dangerous in and of itself a million things can go wrong and if a leopard or something happens to

get out there in addition to many other things that can easily get up a tree um you know spoiler alert

never try to climb a tree to get away from any bear ever but very you know just it typically is a

matter or large cats like or a bobcat even that'll mess you up yeah um and now that we know all

cats are psychopaths i'll avoid those two but um oh no i think it was really well shot i think it

it hears well you know it takes the whole war and peace uh the framework which was set four

years ago which is here are all these real events and now here's the fictional story put on top

Titanic does it and goes into darkness does it and i'm sure there are many great films between

Titanic and ghosts and the darkness but um you know you get the general idea pretty much just those

i've always loved the the magic of just putting together uh images that were literally

films time away and distance away from you know each other like the the the victims of these cats

weren't even in the same room of it but it's like it's for anyone listening that doesn't know

that much about movies i mean like how many times do you see like someone walk into a house like

from an external establishing shot they walk into the house they close the door and then the room

that they're in now is totally not inside that actual house it's it's a set or it's even in another

house because hey we liked the aesthetic of this living room but we liked the aesthetic of this

outside the house um yeah i'm obviously making control purposes you know and a lot of time

when that door opens and then you see the person enter that's two weeks later you know

we're moving on that even but like the way the editing comes in editing is extremely important

core i understand you're the master editor behind this show so kudos uh but um like one of the things

they did it's very simple they fed the lions giant cuts of whatever meat on set so you have them

they've done their work for the day they need to eat you film them eating this red flesh um and so

you then you later cut in somebody reacting terribly there's the sound and then there's just

a lion just enjoying it's meal for being a good boy it's way so bloody yep and he's just

your mind says it while he's eating that dude but no just having dinner he's cool

you're right um really now that i know that these lions are in the field museum in Chicago they should

have made a night at the museum just ghost in the darkness too it would be a much better movie

um unfortunately i'm bill get me in front of some important people i'm gonna i'm gonna pitch that

night at the museum three um which is no there's already been our three

yes whatever number we're at and we'll get yes it'll be great um

um bend versus the lions yes anyway i wouldn't mind seeing getting eaten by a lion i like him but

part of me feels i wouldn't mind seeing it all right this is how we lose bin stiller as a fan i don't know

you know he took himself a little too seriously for a little too long of a period of time and

too much of braiding so you know we've got to reach it yeah it is completely unforgivable to

crime against humanity is what it is yes absolutely moving on yeah all right get into the next movie

and this is the only one that i've not seen like ever in my life um uh but we kind of mentioned

the earlier uh edge so this is the biopic about the guitarist from youtube right yes and how he

lost his glowing flowing locks and uh but naturally embraced his baldness and still played simple

but iconic guitar riffs because those guitar riffs are extraordinarily easy but if you put them

into an echo amp with a little bit of fade and maybe a pour over oh yeah it will be the edge

oh oh oh his his absolutely uh his head and uh guitar tech did all the heavy lifting and

just about everything he's ever done it's true i love youtube by the way i i want to make

the very clear i think they've aged the most handsome apart from the edge of uh almost any ban

laymore and students is actually a currently underrated drummer and bundles lyrics are great

and i think he's a good singer and i think he's genuinely good dude so i'm not i'm not hating on

youtube are they the lesser version of uh joy division yes they are but that's not fair but you

but but youtube is doing resonances in vegas and joy division i think is sleeping on a bench in

new york i mean that was a tragic story would happen to them but yeah they were great

as i'm going to say didn't the lead singer of joy division kill himself

he did over cheating on a girlfriend yeah he was called guilt and well we should literally

replace them on the american tour oh well we'll tear you apart can't not unlike a

perfect segway so the edge what is the edge even about it's about and beat up against versus a bear

oh well it's it's Anthony Hopkins and uh Alec Baldwin in in there's a plane crash because they're

stranded in the woods and the craziest part is Alec Baldwin's not the danger the danger

podium there um played by a real kodiak bear i think the film's exceptional um it's very well shot

it's very suspenseful there's great dialogue there's some great moral questions to be taken um the big

issue with it now is we have a moral billionaire which we now know is is is is similar to a unicorn

or leprechaun it you can draw it pictures it doesn't actually exist i don't know Taylor Swift Taylor Swift

i will i will give her Taylor Swift and mark cuban i will i will stand on those are two

i have my billionaire with you know brags about having a number one most number one selling hits

of all time it's like the Beatles were around six and a half years and there was no internet so go

to hell but beyond that seems lovely um and and so i'll go with that the edge is fantastic

it's it's amazing but if you break it down for purposes of this show there is no kodiak bear

that behaves like that um that being said bark the bear he's a legendary bear actor he was in uh

i i can't remember he was an anchor man he might have passed before anchor man but i think he was

he was in the bear um he's in the great outdoors and this kodiak bear is he was well over a thousand

pounds um uh and he was this sweet cuddly guy uh and he does the similar to a dog like you'll

see him he'll he'll swipe the ground which is which is absolutely a grizzly challenging technique

usually for fighting other dominant males but it's a thing they do and he'll do it and Anthony

and we see Anthony Hopkins um and he'll do the uh like there's nothing quite scary i don't know

what you would call the the way they bear their teeth and scry it's terrifying um knowing it was

safety entire time but this this this kodiak stalks them across an entire island which kodiak

don't do that they they defend their territory they're interested in baiting they're interested

food polar bears go hunt you polar bears absolutely go hunt in polar bears yeah but you don't

ever go near a polar bear like they're tested exactly you have a 0% win rate against a polar bear it'll

eat you it'll actually be like food yes and their territory their territory all over everything but

kodiak's generally defended territory it also there is ice in the film and i believe as long as

there's still a substantial amount of ice and snow uh kodiak will begin a hibernation process

at that time so the way it behaves is very unrealistic that it has this moral you know this this

he's the Jason Voorhees of bears except scarier because bear um but what they do and a lot of

the survival techniques that that they put forth in the film actually are real true they they

really hold up that's a real accurate way to deal with i'm talking with the god damn animal much

but i do know a lot about bears i've encountered them in the wild um but it's so well shot the dialogue

matters a ton and the message uh toward the end is it's it's humans are far far far far far far far far

more dangerous to to you and i than any bear no matter how big and scary it is but are at

heat the greatest bear actor of all time bar who was a sweet bear and just you know his trainers

same thing it's like all right part we're gonna smile and that smile ends up looking like you know

oh yeah it's going to kill you and when they wanted them to roar he'd roar and i you know i've

never heard one of close but i imagine you know it's the most terrifying it's pretty it's pretty

awful on and and and and and anthony hopkins shocker i know delivers an incredible acting performance

and it's it becomes a two-hander with him in baldwind or three-hander you include bart

um yeah and and how you guys fight to survive and why they fight to survive just all

and sleeping with her, and they're going out to the wilderness

for Alec Baldwin to, like, kill him.

Is that...

It's not their intention, but it becomes his intention,

because they're going out to get rare, good photos,

because she's an El McPherson real-life model,

not a real-life actress plays a model.

So they go out and take a photo for her and crash a plane.

Due to the birds, I want to say birds flew into the props,

which is a real risk.

I believe you're right.

So actually, one of the things that happens,

spoiler alert, for a 30-year-old movie,

is after they killed Bart, they've been in the wilderness

so long, because the...

Oh, after they kill him, they eat his liver

with a nice...

Or his eat his brain with a nice kianti, right?

You can almost have it.

You were so...

You almost had it.

They actually eat him, because they've been stranded

in the wilderness, and they haven't been eating.

So they set up like a...

They're...

Stand down with the...

Or whatever.

With the bear, stand off, that's it over.

They use a spike, yeah, the stand off.

They do a...

What do you call it?

A death fall, where...

It's a dead fall.

They create a dead fall trap, which works.

I think it would have crushed Anthony Hopkins' IRL,

but it works.

Probably.

So they eat him.

And 90% of trickinosis,

which is a parasite,

comes from eating undercooked bear meat

in the United States of America.

So that was actually my big concern

with that movie.

It was both Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin

probably gave themselves trickinella.

What's positive about death?

What does that...

That implies that a lot of bear is eaten

in the United States.

There's actually a big bear hunting community.

One of my technicians used to do a lot of bear hunting,

which in my personal opinion, she did it wrong,

because how you're supposed to hunt a bear

is to hide in a tree.

And then when they walk underneath you,

you fall on top of them and stab them in the neck.

It's called death from above.

She used guns to shoot them or something.

It's like, yeah, anyway.

I've wrestled with my share of bears.

I probably die trying to pet a bear.

And that is like...

Zeta would too, then she saw one in the woods.

And you know what, her tone changed.

Real quick, I want to have a bear.

Listen, if not friend, my friend shaped.

They are adorable.

Yes, nothing makes me happier than bears

trying to be people.

And it's the greatest thing in the world.

But yeah, anyway,

Trichonosis Corey is a roundworm parasite.

It's why you actually have to cook pork

to certain temperatures.

Yeah, that's what I would have...

When you said 90%, I'd heard of this

and did that the risk for under-cooking pork?

And yeah, that's probably the other 10%

is just from under-cooked pork.

But yeah, there's a lot of people out there

that eat bear.

I've actually, I have had bear

because my technician, that hunts bear

would have it made into jerky.

And she brought a spare jerky

and I ate it before I knew what it was

and I wouldn't have probably eaten it

if I had known it was bear

because I don't really...

I really don't like Trichonosis anyway.

Controversial opinion.

Kent is anti-trichonosis.

Hot tape.

On the record.

You don't like parasites.

What's wrong with you?

Don't like having parasites.

True story.

The day, every semester, I would have fundraisers

to raise money for an event in their semester

and the day that we learned about Trichonosis

in my vet school class that we,

at Paracetology was probably the class, I would think.

Anyway, the day we learned about it,

our fundraiser was that day and it was pulled pork

and it really not a great...

Whop-whop.

So we sold pulled pork sandwiches

and everyone was like, are you sure these aren't gonna

give me Trichonosis and we're like,

we can't really confer.

Isn't there a temperature?

Yeah.

165.

Is it 165?

165 for 15 seconds.

Yep.

If you cooked your pork properly, you should be fine.

And you don't...

The reason so little Trichonella bill comes from pork

is because we do, you know,

you know, there's not really a problem

with people eating undercooked pork.

It's normally, it's happens by accident.

Like you, Eric, you know,

you're making pork chops and you accidentally undercook it.

But, you know, for the most part, you know,

if there's not a ton of...

There, there, there, there, there, there, there.

Anyway, as far as symptoms, Corey,

what does it do?

Lou Stools, belly pain, tiredness.

It also...

Because we're not the proper host.

They tend to insist in muscles.

There's actually...

Yeah.

There was a real...

Yes.

But there's a really good picture

of an X-ray of someone's lungs

who was on this like weird raw pork diet.

And...

Yeah.

And his lungs were pretty much all Trichonella.

Yeah.

I'll see if I can find the picture.

It's really fucking cool.

But...

But also, remember,

whenever you see a wellness influencer

and they're like,

this is what I'm doing,

they might be giving you advice

that ends up with you having Trichonella in your lungs.

Or Salmonella, the raw chicken,

Salmonella.

Yeah.

You've just stated that

there is something called a raw pork diet,

which I didn't know.

Yeah.

It sounds stupid.

And then you made a...

Chicken diet joke,

which now I'm wondering if you were actually serious

if that's...

No, that actually is a thing too.

Yeah.

There's several.

And the worst part is some of these influencers

who like the...

I'm not going to say his name

because I don't want him to...

He seems petty enough that he'd sue anybody,

but there's a guy who says...

Yes, we're starting.

...to eat livers.

You should only eat livers.

Oh, yeah.

But then, supposedly,

he's never actually eaten raw livers

is what some things are coming out.

And he's apparently on steroids, too.

And it's on steroids.

That's...

That's how we got super buff.

It was just...

Yeah, his whole thing was nothing else.

He just eats livers.

He's never gone wrong for anybody

by eating raw chicken

and then injecting anabolic steroids

on the black market.

No, that's...

Stars are more.

Listen.

At the...

Our department of health and human services

had a brainworm.

Oh, RFK.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So...

So, like...

Yeah, anyway.

There's people out there

that will believe anything.

And there's a lot of influencers

who just come up with their thing

and, yeah, then they're on steroids

the whole time.

Oh, yeah.

And I know we're supposed to discuss movies,

but I genuinely have animal facts.

Scariest animal to you, personally, North America.

Does the ocean count?

No.

Because that's too much.

Land animal.

So, yes, land...

Guys, I mean, yeah.

Like, obviously, my fascination with sharks

is because I'm terrified of them.

Which is why I've been swimming with them

because I also...

You know, I'm insane.

We know...

We have that in common,

although I made an error doing it.

I'll explain in a moment,

but you're...

Scariest land animal.

God.

Wild cats.

North America, like, in Seattle and Oregon,

you can run into a lot of bobcats

or mountain lions,

and not only will they fucking eat your ass.

They can also give you the plague.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's actually another story that we learned

in vet school was about a forest ranger

finding a dead mountain lion,

while forest rangering,

and then doing a half-ass odd-topsy

on it in his garage without gloves

and dying off the plague several days later.

Which we all laughed at in vet school.

But, you know,

my clinical pathology professor

did like a...

Hey, do you want to do skin cytologies

when she was teaching at Colorado State?

She...

My clinical pathology professor

was Mary Ann Throl,

who's kind of like a really big deal.

Her and her husband both

wrote two of the most important textbooks,

and they were both my actual professors.

So, like,

it's just, anyway,

name-dropping them,

because they're big deals.

I think they've since both passed away,

but they were both really good people.

Well, never mind.

I was going to say we should get them

on the show,

but I think we need a Ouija board.

And she did this thing where

if you had like a skin lesion on one of your pets,

like bring them in,

we'll do skin cytologies on them,

while she was teaching a laboratory.

And she talks about almost killing her entire class,

because they found out

that the skin lesion on their cat

was actually a Yersinia pestis,

which is the causative agent of the plague.

And, you know, out west,

you can still get the plague from cats and whatnot.

At least out west.

And so they had to like quarantine their whole class.

She told us that story,

and it was very, very interesting.

But back to education doesn't make you an intelligent person.

Like, you know,

one of the most highly decorated women

and veterinary medicine almost killed her entire class

with the plague one day

by trying to do a fun exercise.

Oopsie.

Oopsie.

It was up to the health.

So obviously don't do an armadillo out to Opsie,

and account of the potential for leprosy.

Yeah.

I always say bull moose,

because I'm not counting polar bears

when we're in bull moose,

scare the shit out of me.

If I saw one,

I don't think I live.

My Canadian friend,

hunts moose,

like in his free time.

And like,

but he's also Canadian.

So.

He doesn't know the hockey stick.

Yes.

He skates up to everything in Canada.

Thwexit.

That's carried by the law.

Could you have the,

do you have a favorite,

terrifying animal in North America?

Other than humans.

You know,

honestly,

I would have to say.

The new,

they're,

they're finding a Kodiak polar bear hybrids.

Because polar bears have been,

they've been kind of forced south.

So they're actually starting to mate with,

with Kodiaks and Grizzlies.

So you have them with the same size and prey drive.

Of the,

the Kodiaks and Grizzlies.

But with the speed and the ability to hunt and the will to chase you

down for eight miles of a polar bear.

And they're basically bulletproof because of the,

because of the,

because like Grizzlies are,

there,

there have been like Grizzlies that are killed.

They have like dozens of bullets in them.

That like they got shot and just kind of stuck there.

I don't know.

I guess I'm grizzly bear.

Grizzly bear.

Grizzly bear can actually run 25 miles an hour through heavy forest.

For a while.

Yeah, for a while,

because if you watch the edge,

there's a lot of truth to how that bear moves,

because he's just running through trees and like knocking them over,

because they're just that powerful of an animal.

Anyway,

that's.

Yeah, there we go.

All right.

I'll shut up and talk about movies now.

I'll be good.

Absolutely.

All right.

So I think we're about out of time for this week.

This is definitely going to be a two-parter.

We will see you.

I'm going to do same bat station, same bat channel.

In seven days.

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