Throwback Thursday: Dr. Tom Horn - Dominionism (Part 2)

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I'm Derek Gilbert

And I'm Sharon Gilbert and welcome to

The Ides of March

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You're better known as

Derek's Mother's Birthday

So I totally missed that lead in

Oh!

If this was basketball

I would have been the guy looking the other way

While the ball went right past my head

I know

You know, you called her

You wished her a happy birthday

And it sounds like she was having a great day

Yeah, well she got to see my niece and nephew all day

Earlier this week

What better way for a grandma to spend her birthday?

Absolutely, absolutely

And while I was on the phone with her

Her puppy

Who's not quite puppy anymore

But he still acts like a puppy

Was busy crawling over her to show his affection

So, yeah, she was having a good day

So I'm glad to hear that

Well, we just got done with an interview with Tom Horn

On the Q-Files

He's sitting in for Steve Quail this week on his broadcast

Boy, that was a fun conversation

That was so much fun

And we talked about some really interesting stuff regarding

Iran, Iraq, and Osiris

So in keeping with those topics

We'll jump right back in

The drums of war continue to beat

President Bush has said that he thinks that some of the components

For these IEDs, the improvised explosive devices

Are coming into Iraq from Iran

You know, we've almost gotten into a buddy rich drum solo segment here

Because the drums are so rapid

So varied

Oh gosh, it's a buddy rich

Oh wow

I grew up loving buddy rich

That's a name that younger listeners may not be familiar with

Although I shouldn't underestimate

I shouldn't underestimate him

Nicole, I know it

She would

Yeah, in fact, I think I've got a couple of buddy rich albums back here

And the stuff that my dad left to us

Oh buddy rich, hey, you used to have a variety show

He did?

Growing up, yeah, you know

Not very long, I think it was a summer replacement or something

Yeah

So anyway, this

We digress

Yeah, not that we ever do

We never do, we're always digging right on the subject

So I think the implication of President Bush's statement of course

Is that since Iran is supplying components for these bombs

That we should then be allowed to go in and stop it

Well, you know, we're going to hear a lot about this over the next week or two

Because of course they're being taken to Iran as being taken

And reported, you know, like they're the playground bullies

To the security council

But I want to know who is really behind the sectarian violence so-called

That's taking place in Iraq because this is really suspicious stuff to me

Yeah, I agree

You wouldn't think that Iran would have a whole lot of incentive to create violence

When the Shia are the dominant group in Iraq

Of course Iran is a Shia nation

It's the Sunnis

Which is the power base for Saddam Hussein who were in the minority

Right, and the Shias are the ones who are expecting the Mahadi to come back

That was the whole point of the golden dome

Right

That Shia, isn't it?

In Samara, yeah

Yeah, exactly, so why would Iran want to blow that up?

You wouldn't

No

But maybe this explains what happened last September

With the British Special Forces guys dressed as Arabs in carrying explosives

And possibly the American security contractor who was arrested in Northern Iraq on Monday for a couple of hours

You know

The private security contractor, quote-unquote private security contractor

I know, and as you and I both know, the private security organizations that are over there are organizations like Blackwater

And maybe even Wacken Hut

One of our favorites

Groups that have a lot of ties to American intelligence

Many of the guys are either former intelligence or former military

Yeah, now we are not saying that this man deserved to be kidnapped not at all

Well, he was arrested by security forces

But you're right

Right, sorry, I was thinking about another story because there are some that have been kidnapped in Palestine

So were they were taken?

Yes

So I don't know, I can't understand what the deal is now

It also seems to me like Ahmadinejad is asking for trouble

He's in our face every day making statements like the Holocaust never happened

That is about the worst thing you can say

In fact, there are guys in Europe who are going to jail for this

David Irving, the historian, was recently sentenced by a court in Austria as a Holocaust denier

Yeah, can you believe that?

Yeah, so in certain areas of the West, just saying that the Holocaust didn't happen is enough to get you arrested and thrown in a jail

Well, let's just date up because there is so much documentation out there to prove that the Holocaust really did happen

And for Ahmadinejad to be saying these things, he's not stupid

No, he knows that it's inflammatory

Exactly

He plays well to his base

No, a leader making statements that play well to the base

That would never happen here

Well, that's a mystery that I think we're just going to have to kind of watch every day and see what happens

There are a couple of mysteries that we've got posted to watch our magazine that have nothing to do with Iraq

Or Iran, strangely enough, can you believe it?

One of them is a story that just, it's the last thing I posted today on Watcher Magazine

It's a story out of Washington, D.C. and NBC Channel 4 reports that a water main broke near Washington, D.C.

And because of the chlorine in the water, hundreds of fish died

This is water that was going into people's homes

Because it goes on to say the break caused thousands of customers to have a disruption in water service

So if the water is going into my home and it's killing fish

Yeah

I want to know how much chlorine did you put in that?

Yeah, exactly

Do your whites come out whiter when you run it through the wash?

Well, exactly

So I think there's something really fishy about the story

About the story, yeah, that is very strange

Another strange statement, by the way, speaking of strange statements by foreign leaders

One of the leaders of the recombinus party in Russia is accusing the United States of being behind the outbreak of avian flu

Isn't that an interesting statement for him to make?

Now ordinarily, let me just say five years ago

If I had seen that statement, I would have thought, oh, commies

Yeah, exactly

Pingo commies, they're trying to make us look bad

Well, maybe this guy simply is trying to make a point

Out of information that he has that may well be based in fact

It could be, yeah, the communist party leader in Russia, Gennady Zayuganov, made this statement

The forms of warfare are changing, it's strange that not a single duck has yet died in America

They are all dying in Russia and European countries

This makes one seriously wonder why?

This was a press conference that he held in Moscow on Tuesday

Exactly, and I want to remind our listeners, if you have not listened to one of our very first

In fact, I think it was our first interview with Dr. Henry Nyman

Second one actually

Okay, okay

In one of the first interviews, we talked with him about the Vietnamese outbreak

And he mentions that he had been corresponding with a scientist there

Who was isolating flu viruses from pigs from local swine

That had been imported from the United States

That was South Korea

South Korea, thank you, sorry, I said Vietnam, yes, you're right, it was South Korea

Yeah

So, why did we have US pigs with flu that we sent over to South Korea?

Well, that's a good question, that is a good question

And that's a story that we are still kind of watching because the researcher in South Korea was working on a paper that has yet to be published

And so, information about that story is not easy to come by

The thing that was really intriguing about that was that some of the sequences of the virus were very similar to a strain of Spanish flu virus

That had been used in laboratory research in England in the 1930s, leading up to World War II

And as I recall, it was a strain that we had here as well

Right

Which makes it very suspect

So, it could be that this leader out of Russia has some information to which we are not privy

And he's not simply waving his finger in the air and screaming and yelling for nothing

Yeah, just letting it be known that he knows something and doesn't like it

Yeah

Well, another odd story, this is a day for odd stories

If any of you are taking ambient to sleep at night, you might want to check your bed in the mornings to find out if you have any candy bar rappres in there

Because apparently people taking ambient are getting up in the middle of the night, sleepwalking and eating

Now, that's a drug that has a commercial with the green moth, the luna moth flying around in it, isn't it?

I can't remember if that's ambient or not, I always think of the one with the puppies

It talks about you have your natural sleep cycle and when it gets interrupted you need

You need pharmaceutical companies to come in and help you out

Anyway, ambient not only has that problem, but apparently it also has been linked to impairment and drivers

A number of drivers who have been involved in accidents, whether they lived or did not

Their blood has been tested and they have shown that they have ambient in their system

Wonderful, could this be and I don't want to speak out of turn here and make accusations falsely

But we have seen a number of prescription medications over the last couple of years

Where it has come out after the fact sadly that there were unintended and unexpected side effects and consequences

It could be and I see a lawsuit in the making, in fact, I'm betting the lawyers right now

Oh, sure they have, you know they have

You will notice though when you watch those ambient ads that they say don't take ambient if you cannot get at least seven or eight hours sleep

Right

And don't take it for long periods of time, check with your doctor, all of the legal things that they have to say

Sure, but they don't say

Lock the fridge

Exactly, they don't say anything about that

I don't know

Oh, crispy creams, crispy creams

Well, the path to st.hood for John Paul is being made a little more straight

The official investigation into the first John Paul miracle is now begun

An official inquiry into whether a French nun's inexplicable recovery from Parkinson's disease

Was indeed a miracle that can be attributed to John Paul the second is is now underway in Rome

Exactly two months after the death of the pope

According to month senior Slalmer odor from one minute to another

This nun didn't show the symptoms of the illness anymore

Now apparently she had Parkinson's so badly that she couldn't work her hands shook too badly

But she has been cured and they are attributing it this to John Paul the second

So the Vatican has begun to investigate that would be one miracle and he would have one more to go

In order to qualify to become an official saint of the Roman Catholic Church

I remember that story coming out some time before Christmas I think of last year

And the I guess one of the really important parts of this is that John Paul the second had Parkinson's himself

Therefore that's why there's there's a really poignant connection for this quote unquote miracle

I recall that there was a story from Mexico that somebody was claiming shortly after John Paul passed away

That he already had been witness to or the recipient of a miracle that he attributed to John Paul

But this is the first one that's being investigated so we'll see how this goes

Now if you've listened to us for any length of time you'll know that according to the Bible anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is a saint

Exactly

So we're in the company of saints every day

Well honey you're a nice saint like Simon Templer

Well my question to you right now is not so much do you have a saint in your house as it do you have a cat or dog that may have a virus

And it may not be the kind you think it is

Oh I think there is a dog or cat chipped because those RFID chips are apparently vulnerable to viruses

Isn't that interesting?

Yeah

I know that this is one way that the RFID tagging concept is being sold to Americans will get them through their pets first

And once we show people how safe it is to chip their pets for ID purposes

So we can track them when they're lost return them to owner even if their collars are lost or removed or whatever

Then we can begin to sell them on the idea of getting shipped themselves

But yeah it is interesting that they're finding that these little low tech RFID low power radio transmitters can actually be hacked

This is something we've been talking about all along like duh

Yeah exactly excuse me but it's a chip it's a computer chip

And if all you need to trans to to program it is a radio magnetic

Electromagnetic signal of some sort

One would assume that a bright individual could figure out how to make a portable device to reprogram those chips

Well here's what I think

I put my hat on

Sharon dishes

Yes Sharon's dish it's delicious

You know the thing about these chips is supposedly they only hold 128 characters of information

That is just practically nothing

Just barely enough to put the name of the company and whatever the item is or something like that

Whatever your dog's name is

Viruses probably are bigger than that

Probably

So I guess the thinking was that it didn't hold enough information for a virus to infect it

Therefore perhaps these chips hold more than we've been told they hold

Yeah as I understood the article the guys who are demonstrating this concept are going to show how they can infect a tiny portion of the chip's memory

By using as little as 128 characters

So you're right if they can hold more than that they could certainly do more damage with with that

I think you're exactly right

We only have the word of the people who are trying to sell us these devices

Yes seriously this is just a

This is a read-only thing

Yeah it's secure

If you're going to put your medical records on it and you go in for a procedure they have to somehow update those records on the chip

How do they do that if it's read-only?

Answer it's not read-only

It's not read-only

If you're going to have your banking on there and you know that that's coming too

Oh the only secure speed pass type system just wave your hand over the scanner

Well you can have to update that information from time to time

So yeah it is a concept that we have employed in our novels because it just only makes sense

And you know we're not geniuses

We're not

If we can think of this it's already been thought of

Oh yeah I've said that for years if I've thought of it somebody did it long ago

Right right

Well one last story and this is going to lead into our time dorm interview

In fact we talked about this with Tom very briefly tonight as we were discussing Egypt and Iraq and Iran

If you haven't listened to that listen to it on the archives tomorrow

You want to listen to that go to stevequail.com

Q-U-A-Y-L-E

Egypt's finks gets a facelift

Needs one too there's no nose

Needs more than a nose it needs lots of stuff it needs some color

I mean and come on these water markings on it

So they take it into style court?

How awesome on one side and I don't even want to think it would be on the other side

Apparently they're just going to you know spruce it up and I looked at this and I thought well good for them

That's really nice probably needs that bot

Maybe they're sprucing this finks up because there's something big about to happen

We want this finks to look really hot

Yeah well leave it to us to put a conspiratorial spin on this thing

But you may well be right because there have been other plans

Notably the plan to put the golden capstone on the great pyramid on December 31st of 1999

Which fell apart at almost the last minute

Well I'm going to even have my hat on you know two hats

Call me Sharon two hats

The rabbit ears ten foil hand

And it really hits you know my hat fits kind of funny now because my hair is extremely short

And I'll just let you think about that

Because we'll tell you about that more on the hair tomorrow

But maybe this is to cover other activity taking place in the finks

That could be

If we say we're sprucing up this finks then we don't have to explain why all these people are around there

Exactly we've got scaffolding all over the place and workmen going here and there

No one's going to notice the couple guys that slip into the tunnel at the backside of the finks

Yeah, it is interesting and again as Sharon mentioned we did talk about this with Tom Horn tonight on the Q-Files broadcast

Because there are a lot of new age religions and beliefs that focus on something being discovered or unveiled at Giza

Around the great pyramid or the finks or both

And all you have to do is go to Richard Hogan's website the enterprise mission website to see how he ties that together with Mars

And all of these connections that are supposed to mean that something important to us today on a spiritual level is centered on Giza

Well you know what for those of you who perhaps listen to Tom Horn and you know the two of us discussing things earlier

And you just can't get enough of Tom Horn

Well here's part two of the interview that directed with Tom just last week

Well Tom as we finished up yesterday we were talking about your keynote speech before the national religious broadcasters association

And how that went over like a lead balloon

Sharon was at the NRB a couple of years ago and we pretended a couple of conventions now of the Christian bookseller association

For the novels that we write and so forth

And I will tell you there are a lot of wonderful people at those in those gatherings

And it is a real blessing to get together and exchange the thoughts and encourage one another and pray and so forth

But there's an awful lot of commerce going on there as well

And one of the things here go ahead

And I was going to say do you get the same sense then that what we're seeing in this dominion theology is

More about power and the exercise of it in the earthly kingdom than it is about glorifying God

Oh yeah definitely

But what I would say is that that a large number of the people

Well like I say you know I think I'm a pretty good guy

And it was never my ambition to dominate the world

You know what I mean?

To take over planet earth

And I bought into a lot of what was being said at the time because you know

You can essentially make the Bible say or justify anything you want it to if you're clever enough

And if the you know heresy is easy to detect when it's blatant

But when it uses scripture and when it's coming from people that you trust

You have this you know you have this desire in your heart to believe that these people that you care about

But you have faith in would not lead you astray

Well said

That they just wouldn't have a reason for doing that or a motivation for doing it

And frankly I wasn't the only one you know

I was talking a moment ago about DJ Kennedy but Cal Thomas

Who with who is a syndicated columnist I'm sure most of your listeners are familiar with him

With Ed Dobson

You know these are guys that helped carry fall well start the moral majority

Which was firmly entrenched in the mechanism

And Cal is an acquaintance of mine

I consider him to be a friend and I think he considers me to be a friend

He's commented more than once

He's emailed me more than once on Rader's News Update articles

And he's written little ditties for some of my articles to be published

And in fact he provided a written praise for my new book The Aramon Gate

Which he allowed to be published

And in fact when he sent it to me I sent him back and said it's not edited very well

And so he edited it and sent it to me again

But Cal himself you know he was having questions too

Back in the 80s he was helping Jerry fall well man

They formed the more majority he was one of the original people working with Jerry fall well on that

But then finally in the 90s he wrote a book called Blinded by Might

The whole point of that book was that Dominionism misses the point

That it seeks to it takes out of the church the dunemain

The dynamite of God, the power of the preaching of the gospel

It takes away from us the spiritual side

And it seeks to facilitate the implementing of the will of God on earth through the political process

Which is a complete fallacy and anybody that's a student of history knows that

But so there were other people not just me and not just Cal Thomas

Not just Ed Dobson I mean there was a lot of people who bought into this and who were part of it

And who were going around preaching the gospel of Dominionism

But that at some point they realized that it was the wrong road to be going down

And so they split with that movement, I split with that movement

And I still have friends in that circle some of them very close, very close

Michelle Pitzer who is part of the worship team leads the worship team for Joyce Myers

Which is probably right now one of the largest ministries in the world

Just a stone's throw from here by the way

But Michelle owns a studio there and not too far probably from where you live

But her parents live here in my state, very good friends of mine

We went to dinner last week, went to Chevy's Mexican restaurant

But I mean these are friends of mine Jeff McLaughlin who runs CCM

And I got Twilight Paris started, he's a friend of mine

These are good people, these are good Christians

But unfortunately they're part of a very large mass of people

Many of whom would even be listening to this radio program

Who are inappropriately guilty by association

In other words I mean by that

They don't understand when they're putting their money into something

And they're listening to these guys talking about doing the will of God

By pulling the voting wherever the correct way

And establishing the kingdom of God on earth

All of it sounds so good, it sounds so real

Man it sounds like exactly what we ought to be about

And these are not people who think somehow that they're not doing the will of God

These are not people who think that they're in root to world domination

Through governing and legislative branches

But many of us, many of us I put myself in that pot because I definitely was there

Missed the boat and can unintentionally

Unintentionally, involve ourselves in the support of cultish teaching

That's a pretty bold statement

It's a bold statement but you know if we don't know

I mean we're not judged

You know in the same way Jesus said to the Pharisees

If you understand how great would your darkness be if you understood that you were in darkness

But what people need to understand is that when it comes to dominionism it is in fact a cult

And I want to try to race forward because I know we only have so much time

It's not only a cult, Derek in my opinion, it's a cult of the worst kind

And that was what I started becoming concerned with back in the 1980s

I've been concerned with it every since

When I finally decided to walk away and I have to tell you it concerns me

The whole idea that concerns me now more than ever before

I'm actually thankful that the Jerusalem Post either printed something that was true and then denied

Or inadvertently printed something that never was true

Last week because it brought us to a subject that I think has a lot to do with where we're at in the world right now

It has a lot to do with where we're at in the church

It has a lot to do with where we are in the administration

People who believe that they are doing the will of God by blending earthly politics with church authority

And it seems to me that there are significant and what should be obvious I think now problems

Not just problems, scary, prophetic possibilities

Absolutely, not just talking about confusing foreign policy with end times eschatology

But just looking back at history and all the problems that this world has had

When you mix earthly power with professed authority from God

The whole history of Christianity from the time of Constantine on basically has been about the misuse of earthly power in the name of God

That's right

And ironically I think in certain sectors and in some ways evangelical Christians may be more like the medieval Roman Catholic church and they care to believe

Well, and that's where dominionism is taking us

Look, theoretically, now I'm only talking theoretically

It is possible to have either a true theocracy

Now if you look up the words, I haven't done this in a gazillion years, but if you look up the word theocracy in a dictionary

It probably says something about the attempt to form for the government to operate through under God

Through somebody's idea or interpretation of the rule of God

But purely in a theological sense when you talk about theocracy you're talking about what Israel had before they asked God for a king

You're talking about the time of the judges

Yeah, I mean, well what I was going to say is that you can have one or the other but you can't have both

At least not simultaneously

The whole notion is irreconcilable

What dominionism tries to do is not possible really in theology

Remember when Israel when they did ask God for a king

God says to them, I'm all you need

And at that point when the cloud moves you move with the cloud

When the cloud stops moving you stop moving

And they just followed God and it was a spiritual thing

An invisible force was leading the covenant people

That was a theocracy and they had the leaders of the tribes and they had the prophets who could speak and whatever

But they were led only by whatever God said and did at that moment

But then they insisted that they wanted to have a dominionist form of government

They wanted both God and an earthly king

And they wanted politics and spirituality

And so God gave them Saul and their problems began

Why would the church today?

Why would the church today think that it is a good idea to from the pulpit

Ecclesiastical figures in order to satisfy the work of God

Whenever we know that God the Father in the Old Testament and Jesus in the New Testament

Made it clear what you said at the outset of this program that his kingdom is not of this earth

And that what is rendered deceaser is different than that that is rendered to God

There's a quid pro quo, that's why

I mean the pastors are getting something out of their support for specific political figures

Well certainly those who have something to gain monetarily or megalomania

Ali whatever that word is

In terms of either power and control and affluence or dollars or whatever

I mean there's obviously those people

But and you know those are people who they make their own decisions

And if they're going to go down that path they're going to be judged by God

But what hurts your heart are the flock

Those that listen to their shepherd and they buy it

And they think it's right and therefore they pour part of their lives into building this kingdom on earth

And what they don't realize is that by focusing the energy of the church on political reform and aspirations

Supposed to the preaching of the gospel

They're actually stripping the church, they're stripping the body of Christ, they're stripping their local community

From what Paul called the dynamic, the dunemain, the dynamite of God, the power of God under salvation

They're taking that out of their communities because true spiritual life

It doesn't come from the pulling of a voting lever

True spiritual life is the antithesis Paul says to the law

In that what the law could not do in that it was weak, Christ came and he died

And he offers us a spiritual authority, a spiritual reclamation, a spiritual power, a spiritual life, a true faith

And so when we're talking about dominionism you just have to make the point

That more important than just having faith is having faith in the right thing

Right, everybody has faith in something but is what you have faith in true

And there's no doubt that I don't know what the numbers are up to now

But they're in the tens of millions of people that consider themselves to be evangelical Christians who actually believe

I mean they believe that they are satisfying a responsibility to God

By going into the voting booth on election day and pulling the voting lever for the, you know, most of the time nowadays for the Republican Party

Right, yeah

But now, like I said earlier, I believe that voting is a privilege

In fact, in America I can buy that it is a duty

But that doesn't have anything or at least very little to do with the preaching of the gospel or the fulfilling

of the great commission

And anybody who disputes that, any dominionist that wants to dispute that, I would challenge to show me the precedent

in the life of Christ or in his disciples or the New Testament church in the book of Acts

Show me where they practice or taught that voting and politicking

Making yourself part of the local political process was the method for satisfying the great commission

That's baloney

Exactly, no, you're exactly right. He told the 70 when he sent them out, you know, go to the towns and preach

And if they won't listen to you, leave and shake the dust from that town's, shake that town's dust from your sandals as a reproach on your way out of town

And that's the problem with dominionism

Because dominionism actually seeks to stowfully establish a state church, a federal church

You're right

You know, Pat Robertson, because he's an attorney, he knows that the First Amendment to the Constitution under the establishment clause would never allow

Unless we change it, would never allow the U.S. government to create a federal church outright

And so, much of what I learned this by being there, by the way, much of dominionism's quest is to use state and federal courts to impose their vision

Of God's will for everybody else by keeping quiet about what their true, far-reaching goals are, once again

You know, I've actually been there, I remember being the guy who was speaking, I was selling this stuff, man

I was selling my books, but I had the brochures all over my tables as the crowds were being told to be careful

Be friendly, don't push your ideology

At least not at the early point in time, we need to get our people in power, I'm not kidding Eric

No, I have done enough research on it to know that to have learned that this is a belief that is being, that guides the actions of those who believe

that the political system in the courts are the means to enact God's will here on earth

That's right, and once we have our people in position at the, you know, everything from school boards to the federal courts

When they're in place, then we can affect the laws which guide, you know, the rule of law

We can affect the rule of law on every level, and once we've done that, of course, we can impose biblical morality on people

Whether they want it or not, now that, you know, a lot of that sounds fine and dandy, but it certainly is far outside of the gospel that was preached by Christ

Look, I remember in the late 1980s, and Pat Robertson was involved with this, and he had a memo to the Iowa Republican County Caucus

And it was being passed around to different select people at that time, it was a memo that was, and you could probably look this up on the internet, I bet you anything that is still imprinted

It was called how to participate in a political party, and in that memo, he actually wrote, rule the world, forgot

But here's what he said, now, he said, give the impression that you are there to work for the party

Don't push your theology yet, hide your strength, you actually said that

Don't flaunt your Christianity, because he said Christians need to get into leadership positions, and especially at the high level, because party officials control political parties

And so it's important that Christians get into the controlling factions, have a majority of leadership positions, wherever it's possible

Well, there are, besides what at that time started bothering me about the deceptive nature of what we were doing

It misses the point, it doesn't even really matter that it was deceptive, it completely misses the point

That the pilgrims, you brought this up either a moment ago or offline in between while we were doing these programs, the pilgrims fled Britain partly to escape that kind of a political system that tried to impose rules and morality that was defined by a particular sect

On the larger population, many of them didn't even agree with either the politics or the theology

And that is why the framers of the constitution, once they got here, and they fought bloody wars, and they died to preserve certain liberties, individual, free-thinking liberties

They fought and they died for it because they believed that it was definitely the model of Christ, it was definitely the model of God who himself, who doesn't breach frame oral agency

And so they wrote the constitution, they wrote the bill of rights, and they were careful to take steps to protect the individual, whether they're part of the majority of the minority, to protect them from belief system, from religious mandates

Being handed down from a federal judiciary whose decisions might either be in support of or against statements of faith, it was actually Thomas Jefferson, by the way, who wrote, and you might remember this because you're a student of history, but he wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association

And they wanted him to use his office as the president to rule in their favor against a particular state law, and he wrote back that he would not do that because there was a wall of separation between church and state

And he wanted them to know that it was important that the federal government not take the position of favoring a particular religious ideology, and under this kind of constitution and bylaws, America has flourished to become the bedrock for all kinds of people, for all kinds of faith, for everything from an atheist to born again Christians to people who worship ahead of lettuce

And it's important that people understand, I am a fundamentalist Christian, but I want the guy who wants to worship ahead of lettuce to have the right to do it, and if people don't understand that, Derek, I can't help them

No, I think that's an excellent point, that's an excellent spot to break. You mentioned something though that I want to get into next time, and that is your statement that this theology, this dominionist theology, is providing the dormant for the appearance of the Antichrist

So I'll talk about that when we continue with our guest Tom Horn tomorrow on PID Radio

Well that wraps up part two, part three is going to be tomorrow, you don't want to miss that

No, kind of admit Tom's got some guts, I went back and I listened to the first part of the interview this afternoon, and just hearing him tell about standing up in front of the national religious broadcasters, annual convention as a keynote speaker, holding up the book by Pat Robertson and saying, this is opening the door for the introduction of the Antichrist

I know, I can just imagine

I have built that convention, I know what that convention is like

Money, money, money, oh boy that is the truth, I went to that convention a couple of years ago, and I called Derek from there, and I said, honey, this is not at all what I expected

I expected to get here and you know find like a pitch in supper, and it's going to be just good time Charlie, these people are serious

It was a sea of black suits and cell phones, these people are business people

Now we don't begrudge people making a living, and especially if they've been given a gift to broadcast or whatever

It's just a very fine line that has to be walked, and that supplies to any business that you're in

But it's especially dangerous I think when you're doing it in God's name

So our prayer is that should that temptation ever be thrown in front of us that will be properly guided

Thankfully that hasn't happened yet

You know what, I think if we ever start acting up, if somebody will just start throwing crispy creams at me

I'll just dive on and start eating them, so all of my dignity will be lost right there

I have a suspicion that a few of the folks in our peering into darkness forum would be the first to tell us

And rightfully so they would, and that's exactly what we expect from good brothers and sisters in Christ

Well keep in mind the forum is always open for your comments or questions or just to kick around ideas that occurred to you

We've started now a Bible study where we're going to go through a chapter a week and right now we're working on the first chapter of the gospel of John

Interesting ideas, in fact I post something that just occurred to me and I've got to go back and read how this has been followed up on

But scientists have discovered that the body actually emits photons emits light

And we were talking about that

It is and when you consider the imagery that John employed in his gospel all through the gospel and his letters about the contrast between light and darkness

And then one of the one of the verse verses in John is that brain blanking out I'm sorry

In him was life and the word was God

Yeah, but talking about how the life comes from Jesus Christ and in him is the light and the life was in man

You know, wouldn't it be interesting for a scientist to do a research project where they compared Christians and non-Christians?

As far as the amount of light emitted

Yes

Oh, that's brilliant

Ooh, okay, well we've got homework to do now

Yes, we do

Well, you got to go to the forum because it is open, 127 hours

It's open 24-7, 365

And if you're taking ambient and you wake up in the middle of the night and you want to snack

Go to the forum because it's fat free

That's right

And of course we always are happy to take your emails and questions and comments there

Radio at peering into darkness.com

That's right

Well, I think we're going to have to put for now because we've just blathered too much and I'm hungry

I've talked about food way too much

So it's either food or ambient, I don't know what it is

Until tomorrow, I'm Derek Gilbert

I'm Sharon Gilbert, have a great evening everybody

So here, there's a new day coming

A new day coming down

There's a new day coming