Dr. Trish Leigh: Why Young Men Are Getting Performance Issues So Fast | DSH #1787

Now, with the click of a button, you can get any genre, any type of person, any acts.

You can get a hundred of them at one time, 100 tabs, 200 tabs, and people do that.

Edging, it's called, where people will go from tab to tab to tab to tab and edging.

You know this term?

I heard of it, but I don't know if people did it with porn.

Oh yeah, it is rough. That is people who edge are the worst off of the people that I see.

Some of them are non-functional, honestly, like non-functional in society.

You can't get the job they want, definitely can't get the relationship they want.

Their brains feel like mush, depressed, and anxious at all times.

Edging, basically, is you keep looking for that video, that person, that scene, too,

finally have an awesome two.

But the whole time, they're flooding their brain and dopamine, very high levels of dopamine,

and that desensitizes the two receptors in the brain.

Okay, guys, returning guests, it's been a while.

She's been crushing it in the social media scene, Dr. Trish.

Just did a Jubilee video, right?

Yeah, yeah.

How'd that go?

It went great, I think, at least.

Middle ground, right?

Mm-hmm, middle ground.

Yeah, it was very...

I really appreciated that they allowed the conversation to unfold and, you know,

find the middle ground, so I thought that was cool.

What was your goal going into that?

My goal was to stay in peace and to be intentional and to, you know, make good points,

but not attack anybody and to hold the temperature of the room.

And I think I did it.

Well done, because I know a lot of people have an emotional connection to porn,

so when you tell them to stop watching it, they get mad.

Yeah, and especially porn performers, you know, it...

You know, insults the lifestyle that they're living,

so to have empathy for that, but also to try to make some points about what's healthy versus

unhealthy for people.

Yeah.

You know, so...

Has there been any new information since the last time we saw each other, new studies or anything that...

Yeah, there's a lot going on.

There's always new studies.

There's so many studies.

So my book came out.

It's called Mind Over Explicit Matter.

The important part of that is it had over 400 studies in it, and the publisher actually made

me take some studies out.

They're like, you don't have to cite that.

Wow.

You know what I'm like?

But I want the world to know everything in this book has science behind it.

There's so much...

So much science.

I just got done doing a study of 201 brains that are addicted to pornography.

Those are people, men.

201 people who have porn-induced erectile dysfunction.

My goal, which I'm in the midst of doing, is getting it into the scientific literature.

And there's a lot of FMRI studies that are out there, but none using EEG with such a big study.

So that's cool findings.

Wow.

So if you're addicted, there's a good chance you can develop erectile dysfunction.

Oh, yeah.

It's the number one pain point.

Erectile dysfunction has...

They're actually one speaking of studies.

One study shows that over 70% of men who have erectile dysfunction under the age of 40

were big-time porn users.

Hmm.

Damn.

That's so high.

Yeah.

That's not...

Very high.

Very high percent.

We are going to have a generation of men with sexual arousal dysfunction.

And I know people think it's hyperbole, but it's not.

You know, I talked to 18-year-olds, 20-year-olds.

Full-blown ED, from porn.

But the good news is, you know, neuroplasticity.

You can heal your brain and bring it back.

But that's going to be the biggest wake-up call for people.

I liken it to the smoking industry.

Smoking industry.

There was, you know, big tobacco saying that, you know, smoking is fine.

It helps you relax, which it does.

But, you know, they were withholding the information that it's highly addictive,

causes cancer.

And that second-hand smoke is real.

So I want people to know that porn is highly addictive.

That's not really debated anymore.

Erectile dysfunction is the number one thing that will come to pass if you continue watching porn.

And it affects your relationships.

Absolutely.

Is this mainly a male issue?

Yes.

And it's on the rise with women, but it's predominantly male.

Wow.

I wonder what the numbers are.

I've heard some crazy stats on how many guys watch it.

Yeah.

The numbers are, they're huge, considering those are the people admitting it.

Those are the people who are willing to, you know, go to a study in

or a survey and say that, yeah, I watch porn.

Which still the vast majority of people aren't in, you know,

that place where they're willing to put it out there.

You think most people can't control their addiction towards it?

No, they cannot.

I know they can't.

You know, I work with thousands of people personally,

plus I have my YouTube channel where there's millions of people interacting.

It's a dopamine dependency.

So once you get past a certain point, it's compulsive use.

So once you get past that, you need to consume it to not feel bad.

It's no longer a habit to feel good.

Yeah, I feel like our generation, since it became videos,

because our parents used the magazines, I guess, it wasn't as bad, I don't know.

But now it's so easy to get it, you know?

I mean, magazines, they're 1D, right?

They're 1D.

They're one dimensional and there's like, you know,

there were nine people in it.

Now you can, with the click of a button,

you can get any genre, any type of person, any acts.

You can get a hundred of them at one time,

100 tabs, 200 tabs, and people do that.

You know, edging, it's called where people will go from tab to tab to tab to tab.

And edging, you know this term?

I heard of it, but I don't know if people did it with porn.

Oh yeah, it is rough.

That is people who edge are the worst off of the people that I see.

Some of them are non-functional, honestly.

Like non-functional in society, can't get the job they want,

can't definitely can't get the relationship they want.

Their brains feel like mush, you know,

depressed and anxious at all times.

Edging, basically, as you keep looking for that video,

that person, that singing too, finally have an orgasm too.

But the whole time, they're flooding their brain in dopamine,

very high levels of dopamine, and that desensitizes the

D2 receptors in the brain.

So are you against porn or masturbation or both?

Well, let me be clear.

I'm not against anything.

Just to be really clear, like, I didn't decide one day,

oh, I'm against this.

Like, this isn't a moral thing.

This isn't an opinion thing.

I'm highly concerned for sure.

Like, this fell into my lap, and I'm like,

my mind was literally blown away that I really believe society,

as we know it, is going to take a huge hit.

So I'm very concerned about porn and masturbation.

Yeah, so even masturbation without porn?

Yes, but let me give you a butt with that one.

Kimpulsive masturbation without porn,

more specifically for people who have consumed porn.

Oh, girl.

Because you're not really going to find a person who

it's not kimpulsive.

Like a person who's masturbated three times in their life.

I'm not concerned about that person, right?

You know what I mean?

But the person who used to watch porn,

and again, you know, I work with thousands of them.

They used to watch porn.

They get over that hurdle.

They can't stop masturbating.

You know, and there's a lot of people.

I think masturbation's actually a greater concern

than porn, but porn is the impetus for it.

You know, they go hand in hand.

You saw the clip of my friend Jeremy four times a day?

Yeah, no, there's that would drain me.

Totally.

That's what, well, you know, about the only fans performers

who had sex with 1057 people.

I think she was on.

Yeah, she was on.

And I'm like, that's how it's exhausting.

It just sounds totally exhausting.

And you know, who really wants wants,

like let's talk about wants,

who wants to masturbate four times a day?

People don't.

When they get quiet with themselves and they think,

they have to do it.

They really do.

They have to get a little dopamine hit

to get through the next hour,

the next two hours, the next day.

And if you are masturbating four times a day,

your brain is very dysregulated

and it has high levels of brain dysfunction.

Wow.

Does that.

And that's what I've seen in my study.

Does that mess up their body producing dopamine

in other areas of life?

Yeah, and testosterone, right?

Yeah, your brain controls.

It's the supercomputer.

It controls your mind and your body.

Testosterone is first made in the brain.

In an axis in the brain,

which then goes down to the genitals

and you know, it's all connected.

But your brain's run in the show.

So it basically confuses most of the neurochemicals

and the hormones in a person's body.

So people get significant physical

and psychological and cognitive thinking issues.

Yeah, I'd be curious to see if testosterone

tests with people addicted or not.

I've seen it.

Some of my clients, they, you know,

they're cured.

Well, many of my clients are on testosterone replacement.

And you know, for any of your viewers

who are on testosterone replacement

without considering their porn use,

like, think again, you have to,

you have to think to yourself,

you know, why am I on testosterone?

It's normalized right now.

But, you know, if you consume porn,

it's definitely a factor.

But many of my clients will have their testosterone tested

before they work with me and after and it regulates.

And they feel a lot better.

I met someone last week at an event,

29 years old on TRT.

I was like, oh my gosh.

Yeah, why?

You know, so much of this is logical.

If you just take a step back and go,

why is this happening to me

or why is this happening to my friends

or to society?

Like, you know, why do young men need

testosterone replacement?

Porn, but also social media and only fans

and they're all super normal stimuli.

They give your brain too much dopamine.

I can't even scroll on Instagram

with us seeing half naked girls.

Yeah.

That's, it's completely hypersexualized

for most people.

And it's, you know, it's a commodity.

It's consumerism.

Now it's transactional.

I'm working on my next book

and that's what the whole thing is on.

And I've already started to do the deep dive

into the research on how social media

is affecting, you know,

not only people's brains,

but mostly their relationships.

Wow.

Well, it's definitely shortening attention spans.

Oh, yeah.

It's down to, you know, under seven seconds.

Goldfish have, you know,

goldfish where they used to be kind of

their fame to claim was they had a short attention span.

Now humans have a shorter one, right?

Crazy.

Right.

How do you think it's affecting relationships, social media?

Well, that is exactly the through line

of what I want people to really consider.

And before I share that with you,

the number one thing that men say to me

when they work with me is they want either

a relationship or they want their relationship back

because usually it's destroyed.

Yeah.

So like that's why this conversation

about relationships is so important

because it gets so distorted on social media.

But, um, you know,

what's happening is the dopamine

associated with the people that are being viewed,

you know, begins to take precedence

over the lower amount of dopamine

in your real life relationship.

Hmm.

But if you weren't on social media,

getting those high levels of dopamine,

your relationship and your sex life

would be the highest dopamine

producing activity, especially sexual one that you had.

Right.

So your brain would keep craving your partner,

not the people that you're consuming.

You don't know them.

You don't have a real relationship

but people begin to think they do

partially because their brains become

so dysregulated,

so the thought processes become so distorted.

But mostly because that's where the dopamine is.

That's a good point.

It's damn addicted and just scrolling on social media.

And I'd rather do that than most things in your life.

Yeah, and then what is that?

What does that end up doing to, you know,

people, it makes them not build companies,

not do the work, the delayed gratification

of being on purpose and having a passion.

Anything worthwhile takes constant effort

that is rewarding but not compared to

the dopamine hits yet.

Luckily, so I do it in a specific way.

I designate time to do it at the end of the day.

So I'm not scrolling during the day.

I'm doing it at night and I'm doing it for research purposes.

I'm looking for viral people.

I think that's how I found you, honestly.

So yeah, but that's intention, right?

And you feel the hits anyways,

but it's still intention.

Most people are just scrolling for fun, though.

There. And they look up and they've been doing it for two hours.

Yep, you know, my son's 21 and he's really cool.

He and his friends are cool.

They all have different types of like, you know,

screen apps to help them.

Like his, he can only go on for five minutes, five times a day.

Oh, yeah, I used to do that for certain games.

The games are addicted to.

Yeah, you know, yeah, that's cool.

Resetting the dopamine system.

Is that possible?

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, and that's the beauty of neuroplasticity,

but it requires, you know, intention.

What it requires is no longer desensitizing from high levels of dopamine.

So that means no porn, no masturbation, you know,

limiting your social media to motivation and intention,

no only fans, no dating apps.

You know, I have, I feel the need to name them all because people go, okay, no porn.

But then there's more married men on dating apps and on only fans than

unmarried men.

Why it's like, why are you there, friend?

You're there for the dopamine hits.

You really have to think to yourself, why am I doing this?

It's for dopamine.

So you're married, get off those things and connect your brain back to your life.

And then so it's a, it's a digital dopamine detox.

And then I like people to dopamine stack in their real life.

But my work becomes pivotal.

And in my book, I describe all the steps that people can do at home

in a similar way.

But my work, I use advanced technology.

I can see how a person's brain is performing.

I can see the dysfunction, the areas and the levels.

It's mind blowing for people.

Yeah, it's really cool.

People love it.

It's called a brain map.

Really?

Yeah.

You hooked up to a machine, but you don't know.

No, it's all at home now.

So there's hardware that people can purchase for.

When people use my link, it's like $200, totally affordable for most people.

Then I have my own app, Dr. Trishley.

And it's a, it's a white label app for the largest neurofeedback company in the world

that I've been working with.

I have a very tight collaborative relationship for over a decade.

Nice.

So yeah, so it's really cool.

So I can see how a person's brain performs.

Then I've mastered the protocols for porn addiction and dopamine dependency.

Actually, I've created them.

Then I've mastered them.

Most people don't even know about this.

And actually the tech needs updating because of the limited knowledge in this round.

But long story short, I can use the technology to have a person engage in brain workouts.

It's all natural.

Just like if you're going to get your body fit, you got to work out, right?

You want to fit body, you got to eat well, you have to work out, and you have to stay the course.

So that's what my work does.

It takes a person's brain from the level of dysfunction that they're at.

And it begins reducing it immediately.

And the goal is to get to the optimized brain pattern.

But even if you start reducing it a little, now you don't have to go on social media.

Now you can stay away from porn.

Now you find your partner more attractive, you know, all those things.

That is so cool.

And what's the typical timeframe from like addict to normal?

Uh, four months is my program.

Four months?

Yeah, and it's four months on purpose.

Obviously, I wouldn't have people sign up if four months later you weren't better, right?

Yeah, 15 minutes.

15 minutes a day for four months.

Yeah, usually people, I have them do 30 minute sessions.

And I will tell you all the people with ED, they do double sessions a day.

But that's an hour.

Yeah.

And if you were watching porn, you probably have an extra hour on top of that to do other things.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, wow.

ED, you could fix out using neurofeedback, that's interesting.

I have, I've helped people fix themselves.

That is, you know, their brain is just waiting for it.

Like, people are stuck in a downward spiral.

And all the dopamine's keeping them there.

But if you get intentional, you can upward spiral your life.

I'd rather do that than take the pill, whatever it's called.

Yeah.

I'm trying to be naturalist, Paul.

Yeah, and they don't even work.

If you've desensitized your brain enough,

your brain needs enough arousal to become aroused with medication.

Many other people I work with, it doesn't even work anymore.

Holy crap.

So again, if you're viewers, if you take a little blue pill for help and it doesn't work,

you have a lot of dysfunction in your brain and it's time to step up.

Are you trying to get parents to spread this to their kids or what's your approach, I guess?

Yeah, well, I work directly with people who have been addicted and who want to, you know,

start a new life and build a legacy instead of doom scrolling.

But I have founded a nonprofit organization.

It's called pornbrainprevention.org.

So there I'm creating educational programs for parents.

I'm actually going to tweak that.

I'm in the midst of tweaking it.

To first of all, take the P word out of it.

Can't get very far with the P word these days.

Every day, which is so ironic, right?

I can't even say it on YouTube.

Every day the P word gets shut down except for more and more people are watching it.

It's like a cruel joke, but I'm going to rename the nonprofit

to cover more of what I was just talking about.

Social media and the interactions because when it comes to kids,

that's a big danger.

It's informed by porn.

So kids are and kids see porn.

They're exposed to it.

They get that dopamine flood and their brains like,

give me more of that.

But then it's reinforced in the dynamics on social media.

So even if kids don't go back to a lot of porn,

but going back to the science, science shows

the earlier a person is exposed to porn,

the greater frequency they start right away basically

and over their young adulthood.

So early exposure equals a bigger problem.

But what's happening more is

now kids go on social media

and the back and forth there becomes hyper-sexualized and totally toxic.

Yeah, the OF stuff, right?

Yeah, or even just kids, adolescents,

14-year-olds, their studies that show that 75% of girls

receive a genital pick.

I'm calling it these days.

Unsolicited.

75%.

What's happening?

And 70% are asked for a nude.

That's not.

So like you're saying teenagers.

Teenagers, 14-year-olds.

So now you have kids who want needs

and they're sharing their, you know,

their junk with other people, right?

Unsolicited.

Like, so going back to your question,

like, why would people do this?

It's because that's what the training is becoming.

It's like, you show me, you know,

young women show me and I'll show you.

But that's not building relationships.

It's very toxic and it's building consumerism.

That's a good segue into sim culture

because I have friends that are girls

and I'll just, they'll show me their inbox.

I can't believe it.

Hundreds of messages.

And they only have like a couple thousand followers.

Yeah, yeah.

So think about that, you know,

toxic masculinity is what we're dealing with.

And I'm not saying that from, like,

we can go there if you want,

like from a middle-aged woman perspective.

Again, I'm saying that from a

neuroscience perspective that

online masculinity is

encouraging, you know,

sim culture, like you said,

especially only fans.

You pay and you get your name said.

That's not real intimacy.

And on jubilee, I had this conversation

with the performers,

which actually I was more toned down

than I was trying, you know, to stay in peace.

But, you know, they try to contend

that they're helping people.

No, you're taking that person away

from real intimacy, from finding a person

who can look them in the eye

and hold their hand and really love them,

not fake love them by saying their name,

distorted intimacy.

You know, that's happening.

And so now we have a generation of men

who are chasing that instead of

doing the hard work of

finding a partner.

Yep.

Those guys are going to be dating AIs

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on the rise.

That's why I said,

if you just take a step back

and you think logically,

what man wants an AI Girlfriend?

Really? None.

None.

Are they conditioned to want it?

Yes.

Are they telling themselves the story

that that's what they can get?

Yes.

If they have ED,

they can't even try.

You know, I talked to tons of men.

They have ED.

They can't even try to date.

But they're not telling people that.

They're just caught in,

you know, OF and all that.

Wow. So it's more common than people think?

Very common.

ED, more percent if you had a guess.

I would say the vast majority of young men

who consume porn compulsively,

more porn,

the more this is going to happen to you,

I call it sad,

sexual arousal dysfunction,

because it might not be full-blown ED,

but it's like, you know,

okay, you can get an erection while you're watching porn,

but now you go to be with a girl and you can't.

And actually, I can give you a story

of someone I just talked to.

And I had to stop him lovingly, as you can imagine,

because he's like, you know,

I've been watching porn since I was 10.

He's like, 19, I think.

So then he tells me that this gorgeous girl

wants to have sex with him,

and he can't get it up.

And he goes, he goes,

it didn't work because it was such vanilla sex.

I go, well, gross.

Stop there for a second,

because you've never had a live woman

want to get naked with you.

And it's too vanilla for you.

Like, why do you think it's too vanilla?

Right?

Like, that's the conditioning of

if you've been watching,

you know, Rainbow Sherbert

with sprinkles all over it for a decade,

then now this gorgeous woman

who wants to be with you,

she's too vanilla for you.

Distortion all over the place.

I have heard that that the videos

you get used to them.

So you got to keep leveling up

and get crazier and crazier, right?

Then you're watching three ways

and then you're watching all this random stuff.

Yeah, beach reality, you know,

and then it becomes normalized.

And these are the conversations I'll have with people.

They'll go, I'll know the level of dysfunction

in their brain by the line of thinking

that they have.

They'll be like, isn't it okay to,

and I'm like, no, why would you ever want,

why would you ever want to be confined

in isolation, watching,

you know, even though you think it's awesome,

funky stuff, like,

you're in your basement watching it.

Like, you could be out,

you know, with friends finding

some gorgeous woman to go home with.

Like, that's good for you, you know.

That's how I used to be.

That's how you, that's how I hope it can be

when people start to, you know,

wake up to the facts.

Yeah.

And people tell me all the time,

they're like, Dr. Trish, I believe you.

And I'm like, you don't have to believe me.

It's the truth.

Oh, when things are true,

you just have to understand them.

Once you understand,

I'm like, you finally understand me.

You're not believing me.

You get it now.

Facts over feelings.

And if they're experiencing it,

I don't even have to tell you anything,

because those people are at home,

panicking, not knowing what to do.

Convincing themself that it'll be fine.

Did you make a video about Andy Elliott?

No, I don't know who that is.

Okay, he's like a masculine guy.

Similar to Tate, I guess.

What do you think of the rental stuff?

Yeah, so that's the other side, right?

So we have Simp culture over here.

We have those who are screaming masculinity,

but clearly don't really like women.

So that's why I said,

this isn't coming from, you know,

the perspective of

from a woman, it's from the perspective,

shouting from the rooftops to be manly,

while not being the calmest,

focused, sharpest person in the room.

I just visited my brother-in-law.

He works for a very large corporation.

He's a high-level exec.

He was actually headhunted to be scooped up

by another awesome corporation.

But I loved what he said.

He's like, I love working for the people.

He's like, they're multi-billionaires,

but you would never know.

He goes, they walk into the room

and just their sheer presence

kindly commands the entire room.

That's masculinity.

You know, commanding,

having the energy that comes off of you,

that's neurological regulation.

It's self-regulation.

Like, it's a superpower that I want people

to be able to tap into.

Yeah.

Where you walk into the room and it's palpable,

you've got something amazing going on.

And people want to be like you.

People who scream, men who scream from the rooftops

be stronger.

We don't need women.

We only need them to procreate.

Like, maybe that's true.

But going back to what I said,

men want women.

Men want women.

Like if you and women want men.

People want partners.

We're pair-bonded creatures.

This goes back to Darwinism.

You know, where high-level women,

and this goes back to red pill, blue pill stuff,

high-level women,

even high-level pair-bonded animals,

they're selective in the men

that they will procreate with.

That's a good thing.

And if you get into a relationship

where you're both, you know, top-tier people,

you're constantly challenging each other

in a positive direction.

It's not masculinity that's aggressive.

And you have women on the side,

that person's woman on the sidelines,

being objectified and used by them.

Right?

People don't want that.

Most people.

I've been married for 23 years.

And, you know, my husband,

I have an awesome

fun relationship

where we're constantly challenging each other.

We don't always agree.

But, you know, sometimes I push him

to be a better version of himself.

He pushes me.

Like, that's what people want.

That's what I do with my fiance, too.

Right?

Constantly leveling up.

We don't even recognize

that people used to be, like, five years ago.

Same thing.

I love that, right?

Where you look back and you go,

you know, look at us back then

and you want that growth trajectory

over your whole life.

That's how you build a legacy.

And going back to like,

what's healthy masculinity?

Healthy masculinity.

People want to be leaders.

They want to have families

that they love and love them.

We have five kids.

My husband and I have five kids.

Like, they're the coolest.

Like, they're adults.

You're their young adults now.

Like, he and I were saying,

you know, we could have like a small little house

as long as we have the relationship

with these five kids.

Like, it's just amazing.

But of course, we don't want that.

We're keep leveling up, you know.

But, you know, that's what healthy masculinity is.

It's passion.

It's purpose.

It's leadership.

It's legacy.

Yeah, a lot of misguidance

with young guys with these guys.

Teaching it, I think.

I think so too.

I think there's parts of it I agree with.

But a lot of it's like,

hide your emotions

and don't appear weak.

Don't cry in front of your girl type stuff.

Yeah.

It's kind of, I don't know if that works.

No, and, you know, porn fits into that

because porn is escapism.

Something gets tricky.

Like, let's give an example of, you know,

finances are a stressor for a lot of people.

So, there's financial stress.

And now, instead of going to your partner, your wife,

and go, oh, I'm really struggling with this thing.

You just escape into porn.

You ignore it, right?

That's leaders don't ignore.

They approach.

They go kick some booty, right?

Like, you don't escape into it

and just not share your feelings.

So, you have a problem

and you go to your partner

and like, I've got this thing going on.

And your partner, your woman,

steps up to be with you

in that vulnerability.

That is intimacy.

Like, without that courage,

you can't have the connection.

Right.

So, if you're just being aggressive,

you know, and that's really what we're talking about

when we talk about, you know,

these alpha males,

is it's an aggressor stance, right?

You know, and I think of it

going back to, like,

communication and interaction.

You have passive, right?

Passive communication

or passive interaction or style.

That's the simp culture.

You have aggressive.

That's the screaming from the rooftops

that men rule and women should,

you know, be quiet and do what they need to do.

But then you have assertion in the middle.

That's healthy.

Yeah.

Learning to assert yourself,

but having compassion and empathy

for the people around you too.

Yeah, that's the type of leader I want to be.

I like what you said about when you walk in a room.

You can feel that.

I want to be that, you know.

Yeah.

It's amazing, right?

Yeah, certain people like Tony Robbins,

Trump, like, they walk in a room.

You feel their energy.

You feel their energy.

And like, going back to Jubilee,

that was my only goal is that I set the temperature,

like, having it be filled with more love and less attack.

Mm-hmm.

And then what we got to in filming,

I'm like, they might not air this

because there's no energy, don't we?

Oh, do they want you to go off on them?

No, they didn't.

Like, that wasn't the expectation.

But of course, like, you know, that's what,

they want the drama.

That's what gets the click.

So I'm like, uh, maybe I should,

maybe I should have went a little more aggressive.

You know, I was trying to stay in that compassionate assertion

place.

There's different types of debate.

Some people come from like Dr. Mike.

I don't know if you know him,

but I saw him against 20 anti-baxers

and he didn't get mad at all.

That's emotional intelligence.

And that's what we're talking about

for healthy masculinity.

Emotional intelligence is having high levels of self-awareness

and self-regulation.

Like, somebody can tell you something

that makes your blood boil.

But in the moment, you can bring that back down.

And that's what my work,

my work with people does.

You get triggered, then you bring it down.

You come back in assertively.

And then that's social relationship awareness and management.

If you can master those four pillars,

you can, you know, rule the world.

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of top CEOs,

people that make important decisions

have good emotional control and intelligence.

You have to, you know, and that's why,

that's why to me, it's tragic with the toxic masculinity

that's being promoted by the two extremes.

Not very many quote-unquote influencers

or they're lower because they don't get as many clicks

because they're not as dramatic, you know,

are promoting that.

And that's, I want people to get off of only fans,

stop following toxic masculinity,

follow those people.

Get on the track of the people who are ahead of you

on the journey that you want to create for your own life.

Yeah, you got to really cater your feed these days

because the algorithm rewards drama.

It really does.

Drama, violence, hypersexuality.

Yeah.

My son, who's 18, when my book came out,

I had a trailer made and it's pretty cool.

So I'm like, shame, you've got to check out this trailer.

And he's like, oh, no.

And I'm like, what do you mean?

He's like, if I look at it, my feed,

he's like, I've spent so much time curating my feed

for exactly what I want.

If I look at it, I'm going to be fed all things like,

I'm like, two-shay, you don't have to watch.

Yeah, people got to take the time,

press not interested in all the videos you're not,

and then interested.

Yeah, and I love what he has curated his feed.

Like, he's always showing me weird,

but like, you know, perfectly on point

for the intention of what he's trying to create in his life.

I love it.

Yeah, so cool, right?

Yeah, what's next for you?

Got some debates coming up.

Yeah, I do.

I have a bunch of cool things on the docket.

You know, more debates,

which that was interesting coming out

of the Jubilee experience,

because then this way, I feel a little bit more confident

in that environment.

Yeah.

You know, because I always like to promote my message,

but debating, it's a different thing.

But, yeah, so I've got a bunch of things.

I have a documentary coming out that I just filmed not too long ago.

A lot of really neat things.

My book came out and it debuted at number one

in front of your brain on porn by Gary Wilson,

which is like the iconic book on porn addiction.

So that was really exciting.

He passed a few years ago,

kind of when I was hardcore coming on the scene

with porn addiction, he passed.

And you know, people in the comments

on my YouTube channel, they're like,

pick up the torch, Dr. Trish.

And I'm like, all right, I got the torch there, friends.

But so that was really cool that the book came out.

And his book highlighted porn addiction as a problem,

because it's older, but mine is a resource

to help people get where they need to go.

So that's cool too.

Nice, we'll link it below.

And stay tuned for a debate.

You'll be back on the show in the next few months.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm, let's do it because, you know,

I think the conversation really opens doors

for people to think a little deeper on the subject.

Absolutely.

Game on.

Thanks for coming on.

Yeah, no problem.

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