DTN Podcast | Jim Alstott Ep. 55 From Near-Death to Trauma Mastery with Matan Cohen-Citron

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Hi everyone and welcome back to the Drop the Needled Podcast. I'm your host Jim Alls.

And I'm so happy all decided to join us. Today's guests used to fantasize about getting

hit by a truck on his way to his finance job. Then he had an actual near death experience

that left him with PTSD, panic attacks, and unable to be alone with his own daughters

for nine months. But that trauma became his training ground. Now, 20,000 sessions later,

Matan Koh and Citron has become a master at helping people who release trauma stored

in the body. Combining hypnosis, Qi Gong, movement, and shadow work into something

that actually works. He went from following everyone else's formula to discovering that

sometimes your old ways have to die in order to find out who you really are. Ladies and

gentlemen, welcome, Matan Koh and Citron. Welcome.

Thank you. Happy to have you on. Thank you for making the time for this. Why don't we

take a moment and let everyone know a little bit about yourself?

So formally, you know, formally, I got into training that was a 21 years old. And I knew

that I'm going to go for a year. I'm going to give you a very short one. And that was

my, you know, like every story has to have a beginning. The beginning is way before

childhood, perception, trauma is a family is all of that. However, when I was 21 years old,

I knew that I'm going to try yoga. And I traveled around the world and I started practicing

with different teachers. Until I met two years into that journey, I met my first teacher. So

he was obviously two years into the journey. He wasn't my first teacher. But the first time

that I got a system, a medicine that worked me, means it served me to where I was at that

moment in time. And it was such a big shift in my life, all of a sudden. My heart started to open.

I was able to fall in love to stay longer with a partner. And I said that if there is practice

like that, that can support me in that way. I'm going to do it every day. And about 25 years later,

I'm still doing something every day to take care of my body, my mind, my psychic, my spirituality.

That's wonderful. So where were you born? I was born in Israel.

Okay. Okay. Because obviously there's an accent. And I wanted to make sure that everybody was

aware of where you came from. So thank you for sharing that. And that's a great story. And it's

a great point too that every story has a beginning. It's got to start somewhere, right? So if you

don't mind, let's jump into some questions. Okay. So you fantasized about getting hit by a truck

to escape your job, then had an actual near death experience. Did the universe have a

sixth sense of humor or were you literally manifesting your own wake-up call?

I think I was manifesting my own wake-up call at some moment. It was years later when

quitting finance and having that near-death experience. It was I think about eight, nine years.

Yes. But I do have part. I think we're asking if we have a part that we don't have a part.

I didn't have part in fantasizing about what has happened to me and wanting to claim my life.

So it's one of those things that's where your focus goes, your energy flows,

and that from the universe picking up on that and fantasizing about it. It must have been,

it must have been a pretty rough time for you to think that that was the only way out of your

situation. And yes, I guess the one thing that is common for most people is that we aren't

estimate our own power and we live in a place that we change by pain more than we change by

thinking positive. I think people will make a I call it like it's easier in our culture to move

from one to three or from two to four instead of taking your life and your life is eight or seven

and two and nine. So I think this is something that we live in right now.

Yeah. I also think a lot of that has to do with the instant gratification that we as humanity

looks for, especially right now. You know that I want this now. I want it now. I want it now.

And you bypass some of the educational moments, if you will, because pain is the greatest motivator

for sure. So after 20,000 session, what's the one trauma pattern you see stored in everyone's body

that nobody talks about? You know, the thing that we're all carrying around but pretending we're not

in there few, but if I have to pick one is self abandonment because then I will explain

because we all have the version of our three years or that's a brancher less without clothes and

you know, like, you're dancing in front of ourselves in front of others and that is one point we

we get a cue from life that we're very cute or that we're not cute and whatever happens to us

the trauma, not trauma and we are we are living ourselves. You know, we're living our heart, we're

living and we're shifting to a different way of existence and it can be expressed in you know

later in life in whatever, in weight issues and anxiety and depression, boundaries issue.

But I think this is part of the journey that we all have I have to address maybe you know from

a spiritual point of view. It's a this is life, this is why we hear like because as kids most people

most kids are very connected to themselves. Like I look at my girls, my girls are now 13 and 16

when they were, when they were like two, three years old it's like pure life. No, no, you know,

no friction or anything like that and as we grow older we have that friction that

moves us away from being ourselves. So I think this is personally what I really enjoy doing is

having people, helping people get to that they're having that they're appreciating

yourself energy in yoga, we call it the self. You call it the what? I'm sorry. We call it the

self. Like what you want. Yes. Okay. We want to experience self the energy of yourself. Yes.

Instead of the mind of you know, I have that conditioning of the ego. That's interesting that

you say that because as you were discussing the free flow of childhood, you know, when you're

just in the flow all the time in that in that bliss state, it seems to me that a lot of the

friction that we cause ourselves is self-induced as we go along. We we add those layers of whatever

to our soul to our purpose to whatever and it causes that friction and it starts to build and

grow. Yes. Very interesting. I think I think about it. It's a double effort because it's based on

certainly on survival. It's based on faith. The reason that I become anxious or that I

that a person become anxious or or doesn't care or occur too much or or whatever the behavior

is. He said it's an old pattern and it's usually at some point we try to change it and it comes

with a lot of shame and a lot of judgment around it. So a lot of time that that was my experience

using another person and another nervous system and that's true to many different healing

modalities that there is a neutral nervous system that is not going in that fight and fight

or freeze of fun or whatever nervous fun. It's super helpful in healing that

that wound that lead to the trauma that that carry. That's very very good and it's very insightful.

I agree with that. So I want to go back then and talk about this because this is something that

you mentioned on your website and through our conversation and I've mentioned it before on the

show that we have pre-show calls just to get to know each other and have some conversation

and you had said that you couldn't be alone with your daughters for nine months after your NDE.

Yeah. As a trauma expert now, what was happening in your body that all your yoga and

Qi Gong training couldn't touch at that time? I was in I was in PTSD like my my my

nervous system was completely out of our lives. I was going to recycle that used to take me three

weeks used to take me three hours so it was just out of alignment. I wasn't feeling safe in my body.

I got the belief unconsciously that that I'm not safe and my body reacted accordingly

and there was a big energy in the body that I needed that I had to release it and then

you know there are different kinds of trauma for me. It wasn't something that that took a week

for months to let me you know took me a year until I started feeling more comfortable.

This was a you know a complete state of misalignment. It's like you have your mind

but you cannot trust your mind because a lot of the time your mind is telling you things

lies to you right? Yeah you know and I think that our mind lies to us a lot of a lot of the time

but there is a different angle of flying like you know like that was way bigger than that. That's

like a life you know like a panic attack like that going into the mind that's a little bit different

than being nervous to take a test or to go through. Yeah there's a different level of nervousness

or anxiety associated with those things you're right and thank you for for being vulnerable

and and talking about that. I I think it's important for people to hear that and to know that

there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it it may not be

easy to get there it may take some work and some effort but you can get there

and that's thank you so much for sharing that. Yes we it's definitely we can get there the I think

the challenge that we have is that for most people like they have a life like they have a job

that kids they they have all of this to do list and sometimes a healing takes it takes it's like

the nervous system is not functioning well so for example I used I was able to do before

that I was able to work 30 35 hours a week of contact work like doing sessions. After that

I went down to 15 like that was my max if I was really 15 yeah I started getting too stressed

I needed to spend more time in the wood for time and with myself and to take care of my own energy.

That's only that's a big difference. It was a huge different

however it's true to everyone because let's say about let's talk about the functioning adults

like the pretend that there is a term like right okay so let's say you work for the hours a week

that's the average time that you work if you're gonna work let's say for me if I'm gonna work

less than that I'm gonna be a little bit happier you know if I'm gonna work over that if I'm gonna

work 50 60 hours a week somebody's gonna pay the price yes it's gonna be myself I'm gonna be my

family as a result I'm not going to be the same person that I am if I you know if I'm over you

think there are resources that I have. That's an interesting point because I think that

there are those that are out there listening that could be considered workaholics let's just call

it that and that's a patterning but you're right because I don't think well I know a lot of times

you think it's fine nothing's changing me I love what I do I thrive in this and but there's only

so much of that and let's let's just say that you're in a stressful nine to five job which isn't

nine to five then it becomes nine to nine or four thirty a.m. till nine o'clock at night and you're

right when you think everything's okay you don't notice how things are crumbling around you

like you you had mentioned family what a toll that it takes on a family because there is

frustration that comes out there is anxiety there is a lot of emotion that that comes out that

you may not even know comes out yes right because you're unaware you're just because you're you're

focused so intently on that work or that project or what have you and that's

yes interesting you know like if I take back a little bit what you're saying a person is not

becoming workaholic overnight true okay it's like there are cases like that they call traumas

all right like for example somebody passes away and then the person takes that belief that

let's say if my partner passes away I have to do whatever I have to do in order to support my

family and I'm just going to be obsessed with work this is like an example of an overnight

however in most cases it's again it's back of safety it's like I am a person is saying I'm

better off working right now than being with my family and that's not a pattern okay times the

pattern after years of behavior the person doesn't know how it's how it's how how you experience

as she experiences when he's not obsessed with work okay like for example a person who is

never exercised never been to to the gym or went for a walk or did anything for their mental

their their mind doesn't even know how to think about it there is you know in yoga we call it

the version like we have a firm we don't know what it is so we reject it for the market

wow okay yeah it seems like it is something that's developed much like a muscle I suppose but it is

out of self preservation almost yeah that's that's you know we we we touch upon it before

that's why I think meditation practice is so important because the focus or the theories

or the butterfly that you you might watch it's not about those high experiences it's like

our mind is going all the time when we are masters of the night yes and how just by being with

that creates magic in people's life I've seen it over and over and that's great and another great

response thank you so you had mentioned toxic masculinity before and you say toxic masculinity was

part of your shadow work yes what specific body part holds toxic masculinity and how do men literally

feel it leaving when they release it I think that it's the heart but with that being said every person

pulls tension different in their body have pulled it in the lower back some people in their neck

in the throat in their head in their in their eyes some people in their gut in their in the

diaphragm area and so I from working with people I don't assume that for example if I'm going to

work with the somebody holding toxic masculinity it wants to see if it's area the what the second

part you asked me I think was what happened when they released it yes they're able to you know

it's it's a shadow so they're able to experience themselves so for me for example I grew up with

in the Middle East so there is kind of it's a more a macho and more like strong masculinity like

don't show don't show weaknesses weakness right for me it's that the ability to be vulnerable

in situations to listen to my heart try to experience all of this range of emotions that

my unconscious mind was not there it was not allowing me to experience before

things like I don't know right that's a big one too where we as men often times take it upon

ourselves to fix something you know what I mean where do you just go oh I got to I got to fix

that when somebody's talking to you about something and they may just want to vent your

and I'll speak for myself my mind typically goes well how can I how can I fix this how can I

solve this problem yeah and it's not it's not broken yeah right you know it's not broken

no that's the beauty of when you open you realize it's just a different way of communicating

you know like for men we're a lot a lot of men they know how to repress it so they still in the

pin aesthetic right of their existence that they're expressing it okay on which it's a great way

to communicate and people are you know for a lot of people this is the the way of of releasing

energy through through conversation that's that's an interesting way that some people are visual

yes I can I can speak again for myself that when you mention repression of emotions and things

like that a lot of people may think that when you repress certain emotions it's just an emotion

it's it's nothing physical well it becomes physical because I I got to the point where I was

nearly 400 pounds now sure the report eating habits and I was trying to do you like

make the pain go away type of thing and whether it be from food or alcohol or pain killers because

I was in a lot of pain at that time too but it does it just it does impact your body stress

in emotions and not being vulnerable or your authentic self does take a toll on you and it wasn't

until I got to the point where meditation was such a huge part of that by the way but it wasn't

until I was able to be my authentic self and speak my truth and and I was doing all of the things

I started to be more involved with movement with physicality working out things like that's

a mind body spirit really did kick in to help with that that loss the weight loss of 150

some odd pounds and since I've kept that practice I've kept the weight off I don't think it's by mistake

that that's that's happened I think that yeah due to these the the new way of life that was

probably you know a very old way of life when you think about those things yes you know I think

I think what you're saying is that there is so much power in the emotion it's like there is so

much communication that happens with with emotion with the body then when we're suppressing them we're

we're thinking that we're not aware of that when that they're not happening we just

I've said ignore my side on me a week ago it's a that I worked with her like a few months ago

that that old way of not going to the gym and not eating healthy and and talking shit to her

herself was actually taking way more energy than right now that she's not doing that so we

didn't see regaining energy from that or from from repressing it but actually there is so much

energy unconscious energy going into that progression that's why when people releasing that

all of a sudden energy starts to flow so and then they're getting you know like the energy is

flowing so the body starts working their their body start becoming healthy because being in stress

nothing good is happening to the body the body the body stuck the energy stuck and we have to

release that and let the energy flow and then the body starts healing itself because

being healthy is our natural state and I think people should remember that being sick is not

natural being healthy is natural we we hear to be healthy that's very good so I have a question

for you as it relates to that release and I would imagine over 20,000 plus sessions you've

probably seen this when somebody releases that trauma can you actually see or feel

when it leaves them absolutely what does that look like or where can you I mean can you see

that something like physically in their body or what is that a little bit different there are

people that you know experience the breakthrough right right in the session you know I you know

like one of my mentor Jeff Jack Kentfield he calls it every pass on a facelift to that experience

that people come and they meditate for a few days and after that you know like they're all

faces lighting up and they let go all of that tension so it's the same thing I see people that are

just they don't carry that weight anymore now from my perspective if to do it in a session or

to do it over a few sessions and let it happen in a life I think it's a choice and I'm in

order to generally prefer to let people do the work by themselves so it happens naturally in

their life because as practitioners and any kind of practitioner any any any person who holds

session you can do the session for the sake of the session at a lot of like motivational speaking

for sure or you can do the session to with the intention for the person's life and I will

always refer to do something that will serve people in their life versus in the whatever 90

minutes or hours and hour to head with me there would say while this is amazing I always look how

you integrate it yeah I think the one that you're the other one is more ego for you than it is for

yeah absolutely helping somebody get through something so I know that you've trained with

masters in the east and the west yeah what's the one thing eastern wisdom gets wrong about trauma

and what's the one thing western therapy we'll use the term therapy misses completely

in it's been many years since I practice with eastern masters you know like 20 plus years ago and

and also later but I don't think the understanding complex of life that we have you know like when

I was in the mountains of the Himalayas they you know they didn't have a social media and phone

it right and the most I think you know from the point of history we're really in a place that we've

never been with the amount of stimulation that we have but if I I compare myself for you are

listeners it's like we get more stimulation in an hour than a monk in the Himalayas get in a year

it's right you can't convert it no that's that's fascinating to me that you you mentioned that because

I've had conversations with people let's let's talk about children for example the I can't imagine

the pressures and the stress that kids today have that we didn't have to contend with because of

what you mentioned social media overstimulated minds because there's always something new something

immediate and that's the thing about news too you talk about diet right and diet isn't just

consumption of food it's what you consume around you and if you have almost instantaneous access

to information news and let's be honest most news we get to make it newsworthy is negative because

they're looking for for that attention those clicks or or what have you it's it's gotta be tough

I mean it's gotta be really difficult what's some advice you might give someone as it relates to

that you know when you get frustrated with your kids or you know that they're not paying attention

a lot of times it's because their brains are reprogrammed to be you know always scrolling down or

what what do they call it doom scrolling yeah I think what what might be some advice you have

the picture I think it's the most important thing perspective like for me is apparent the

the question that the change the change my mind is like how do I want my relationship to be and what

I want my relationship to be based on and they depend on the child however their times as I see

my kid is doing a behavior that you're not serving them okay we also have to remember that the

wall that they live and the wall that we live they're two different walls absolutely I'm going

to bounce back because I when you were talking about that it just I'm I have an ADHD mine so if

there's a shiny object I'm all over the place and that happens so sorry and that's not a that's

not a weakness no I don't view it as that you know sometimes people around me they may

all right but I don't you know we live we live with the with the school system that is based

about people teaching our kids how to obey instead of how engaged that's very true I mean

that's very true so western therapy what is western therapy with on completely

and it's not now we catching up but it's the body we we consider things to be too

mental like talk therapy for example it's one of these things that we're completely ignored the

body we completely ignore the feeling the emotions and also from a business point of view I think

it's about maintaining the client the practitioner this is their business they want to have a

full book and in order to have a full book they maintaining their their clients it's not about

necessarily about helping them because they ignore all of these different things don't get me wrong

I love therapy but it's important that the person is hitting a healthy that he's sleeping that

he's exercising that he has community that you have friends and he has other places to do

go to right her ish himself so this is where I think the hypnotherapy really comes in to play

let's let's take a moment and talk about that and how you integrate that into your practice

for your clients yeah how does that how do you determine that that's the best course of action

for one of your clients so basically I have two kinds of businesses that I run I have a movement

practice and I have a hypnotherapy so people that come to me to hypnotherapy they're ready to work

and if they don't give me therapy they can work about it from their friends who work with me or

they find me online or something like that so they're they're coming and they're ready they have a

hint it's not they think we did not therapy is very hard to market it is something but every

form of people therapy is different and so we start with the client we start with the problem that

they're having and we start with the context of the client because they're great you know they're

great hypnotherapy tracks on YouTube that you can find is then to sleep to be healthy to do whatever

you want to do to perform what I do is more a one-on-one kind of custom work that the context is

client so I ask my client question this is how I determine what they want and then and this is

something that a lot of people don't they take they take it for granted that I have to because

we live in a society and they think like all right so I'm going to fit into a salsa dancing class

I'm going to zoom back to the gym where I'm going to go to Asian restaurants or to whatever like

people like to think where they are in the menu of life and it's more like one-on-one what do you

want what the context why are you here what do you here to overcome how the problem that you have

the problem for you and where how do you want to move through that so I mentioned to you that

we've had hypnotherapists on the show before and one of the common themes or threads that comes

through in conversations with hypnotherapists is how fast the results surface versus standard forms

therapy and talk therapy and you know I'm not well versed because I'm number one I'm not a

therapist but I am curious about this because if someone's experiencing a tremendous amount of pain

and could be PTSD could be a number of different things that is the the trigger or the cause

they want to get to that relief point faster right why isn't why isn't that well I guess you answered

that that book of business type of thing I was thinking why are people going for that yeah

I'm you know I started to make it personal for me and maybe I shouldn't have so I lost the the

frame of that question because all of a sudden I started thinking okay well how could that

benefit me by doing hypnotherapy you know so that's I was I'm just I'm intrigued by it

because I think there's a big value to it but I think there's there's more to it than than just

the hypnotherapy there's got to be something more that makes it so successful

I'll start with that hypnotherapy is a tool that first and therefore I believe in that every

form of hypnosis is self hypnosis I cannot hypnotize a person I can help him hypnotize himself I

created guiding them I creating the environment they're going and putting these ideas to the mind

if I'm gonna say to you Jim eat more brains it's a general statement and you have a choice if you

want to accept that I gave you something that is silly stupid as an example okay the idea

of hypnotherapy and white works is because it focused on the belief the behavior that people have

if it's a if it's pain if it's trauma if it's anxiety is a result of something else is a result

of a belief if I for example for myself I was feeling anxious that wasn't that was the behavior

that I was suffering from it was sitting in the belief that the bad that the world is not safe that

I am not safe yeah and that's true for everything that's true for self expression if I if I believe

that I can be myself and drive in the world for being myself and doing well in the world for being

myself even making money for the world for being myself that's a different story yes

entirely different story that's so how does then how do you go about

helping someone get from point A to point F so first I get to what point A because the problem

that people have and the problem that they think that they're having a little bit different

problem as we discussed before we have a mind that's a master of denial and doesn't really want to

show us the problem a lot of time I get to people to what the problem is and I call it it's usually

like a five to seven degrees of separation of questions of seeing what the issue is to what the

people think the issue is to what the really the issue is about and then when we get that

a there nervous system is able to process that that stress response people say like wow I've

been just lying to myself for example and it's like instead of trying to hide that from

so many years well I can that's true you know or to say something I've been you know I've been

not nice to my partner this morning like to take ownership of that and I think that you know

a lot of therapy the reason the reason to ownership of the situation and that's why I love

what I do because it's so empowering people because people want to feel empowered people don't

want the work to be done for themselves that's why they go to you know the user kind of

of material sure there is nothing wrong with that I don't judge it you know in many situations

that it helps people to deal with life better and so this is the first step that we get to what the

problem is really what's the problem is and then from understanding what the problem is we are

able to make the connection to what the person wants you know like let's say if you had the magic

one that this is the problem what do you want so you know it's like all of this you know there is

the triangle for the person is where the problem where the real problem is and where the solution

once the person realized that the problem that he has is not really what he thought the solution

is different person is able to see that what he was looking for whatever it is I'm looking for 10

million dollars that I will not have to stop for one more hour of my life okay once you realize

that that work is not the problem like for example using that as an example the solution is

different people want something different you know where to mind that say I want to avoid that

but in reality people looking for a way to deal with life they're not for a way not to deal with life

and once you realize that what's in front of them so and then there is okay and then there is the

so there is a there is the real problem and there is the real solution and then there is a dance

that we're going with and what the what a hypnotist that is helping you to take the critical

thinking down in a very light way okay it doesn't have to be big it doesn't have to be like

an an ayahuasca or or or some right it's a monumental shift right yeah it's something that that

happens you know it's a dance okay so we take a critical thinking down because when we're kid

before the age of nine ten or critical thinking down if you would say to look at look outside

the sky is green it will look outside it will believe you I said that to you you see your eyes

didn't even I don't know if you have windows where you are but they didn't yes all right right so

know that the sky cannot be green okay so what we do by using metaphor using stories and less

you know the toolback box is huge is we helping people take that critical thinking down and then

what we do we are pretty much this associating from the problem that this would be you know if

they went most of my clients went for over ten years of therapy and they have a PhD in knowing

what their problem is so we do this associates from them and what we do we anchoring the solution

that they want to have okay and it's their solution you see the point is it's not right

I'm saying I'm asking my clients to know what they want okay like the mind work in a problem

state in a solution state and I'm in that session I'm anchoring the solution of how they want

how they see the world the world so one side of it is letting off the trauma letting off whatever

the belief that is not serving and anchoring a belief that is going to I'm serving you know

serving the individual it's not right right right so when you were talking about or describing

point A being find essentially what that lie is what would you line up to yourself about or hiding

what the maybe I might be saying incorrectly but what you're it's not the real problem you're hiding

you're you're telling yourself something else to avoid what the real problem is in many situation it

is in some situation people know what they what they do know what the problem is okay so I'm

wondering what it looks like or what the response is when people come to that realization

there they go that aha moment for them when they realize that you know I've been

telling myself this story that it's this when it's it's really not yeah I think there is

peace in that I would think there would be just just thinking about it that there would be some

sort of relief that you go oh I don't have to do this anymore yeah because their mind is in a broken

record trying to understand what's wrong with me you know and and that that's you know like one

of my mentors says you know when we we have a problem the only thing that we're focusing is

on the problem what exists other than the problem nothing for the person who is in the problem

so let's say the problem is I don't like myself this is an example okay what exists other than

I don't like myself everything yeah I love myself the sun the moon that is with me in the room

right now so you know when when people go to that to that that's what stuck with them what's

wrong with them and that's the real that's the real thing that we're unlocking in hypnotherapy

because a lot of time I you know like for you know for for practice and you know to play around

with hypnotherapy a lot of time it is I did the I did sessions with people that I asked them

specifically don't I don't want to know the problem if you can know it in your mind

and they have the same amount of success without having without no verbalizing it or what have you

yeah that I consider it like you know the person go a person who has the weight issues or anxiety

or or whatever they they go with that they're focusing on the problem all the time

right consciously or unconsciously yeah yeah yeah yeah so in your toolbox you have a lot of

different healing modalities like 10 different healing modalities if you had to delete all but one

from existence which one would you keep to help humanity heal and why would you do that

love that's the beginning and the end of it the intention of yeah that's a good blanket

with each other you know all that is great but love is you know it's what you know

we in hypnotherapy we call it age-to-age class in you know in the other way of a different name

for it in right key they call it right key but basically the idea to connect to our heart and to work

from there that's a great place to start and it's a great place to end isn't it yeah it covers a

lot of ground with that four letter word that's that's one of the good four letter words I think

you know as far as I'm concerned um well why don't we do this I know that I had mentioned to you

the possibility of doing the body scan I don't want to put you on the spot with that I think we've

covered unless you want to unless you want to that's entirely up to you or any other thing that you

think people would benefit with you know we can do a game of words of associations of fed of

whatever of whatever days we can keep it open we're going to jump into the musical questions are

you okay with that absolutely looking forward to that excellent excellent kind of big movement fan

and music and movement and this is my way of releasing stress and connecting with myself is movement

I I'll tell you what I think a body emotion stays in motion that's that's for sure

okay so here's question number one what was the first song that you fell in love with

that you can remember saying I can't wait to hear that song again I don't have a song like that I

don't have much memory of music here before the age of 20 or something like that I grew up really

wow liking Israeli rock of the 90s and I really started listening to music after the army so

that's okay yeah so then let's let's do that way what was one of the songs

that you remember after getting out of the army and one of the songs I guess Bob Marley was one

of my favorites oh yeah absolutely it's really the birds I think it's a one of my favorite natural

music natural mystic always yes in that by yeah yeah I'm a big reggae guy I'm a big fan of Marley

yeah big fan of his that's fantastic that's a good one that's a real good one I'm not sure you

said so growing up it the family singing songs probably wouldn't hold true to you no not so much

what about now now and so I had a phase like what a really you know talking about through

I got into EDM music oh okay grants music I used to love you know in my you know in my

early 20s I used to love going to nature parties and raise and then that all experience of I

don't know hundred people thousand people two thousand people dancing together in a sunrise

that's you know that is closer to that as it gets for me so that's interesting that you say that

because I have I mention in it regularly that I think music is the tie that binds us all together

and sometimes people will go yeah I don't know about that but the example that you just gave

is the best example of that or it could be a concert where all of a sudden you may not be

somebody that outwardly will start dancing or something but your tap your toe or tap your you

know your finger on your your knee there's something about that there's something about music

that connects everyone in that moment and I think it's so inspiring and it's bigger than than we

realize absolutely so I think one of the the questions that will make some sense to you is

what's the song that gets the positive juices flowing positive juice

I guess I love my way for Xenatra ah okay the positive you know I listened to this

morning before what a wonderful world that's definitely on the positive oh Louis Armstrong yep

uh yes but for kind of my way give me that self empowering and kind of like that feeling of

putting it all out you know like being committed the take committed to to myself being your authentic

self yeah that's a good one I like that so you know and I like it I really like Reagan I like

people I love jazz and I can listen to you know jazz I would refer without words usually okay

because I think people are very different for me for example I don't really listen to the word

so much when I'm listening to the music like I remember differences and then for example I

part of part of my life I really get to listen to music with people and I have people who

they know every word of the song in my mind doesn't work that way yeah like I'm not the

I'm not a verb but I'm more of kinesthetic person the way I complete the walk so that's a

I have a friend that's that's like that um my friend Carrie is more emotes through dance than

singing and yeah so yeah I understand exactly what you're talking about where

each person reacts to a song differently and you know it's what's very interesting

the foo fighters Dave girl talks about the perfect rhythm to get people moving and it's

bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum and it's where people can jump up and down for their songs

and he just said it's just right and he said when we want to have those most of their songs are

like that because they he wants everybody in motion and feeling and being a part of it so

yeah it's that's very interesting um do you have a guilty pleasure song

eh not right now so you're not a tailor swift a closet swifty

i'm not a closet swifty i can't it's sure and you know i'd maybe that's what i do in the shape of

your eye oh yeah yeah yeah yeah sometimes i like it obviously if we've done

so this one might be a tough one for you yeah but what's a song you believe could change

the way people think or feel about the world around them if they just listen to the

songs lyrics the message we spoke about it earlier like half an hour going in the conversation

cornerstone by Bob Marley oh yeah but exactly the things people

doesn't come the word the thing people refuse are the thing they choose and it's basically about

the aversion that we have you know to the world to ourselves if we're able to pay more attention

to that instead of rejecting it and i think you know there there isn't something that

that is more present to our future especially that we live in a culture in this council culture that

you don't like one person that a person say and you just cancel that person i think and it's

something that is apparent i'm working with my kids like listen deeper big presence you

will there is other than the one thing that you don't like because you know i work with people who

who did crazy and about crazy things with their life and positive and negative you know

but there is something positive behind it like the intention is there is the intention is to

look for love which is like the wrong strategy that we get from the world and i think that's

that's where the power is in in in stepping into our aversion that's very cool

and very insightful okay this will be my last question for you as it relates to music

but i will ask you to send me your your playlist sometimes there are songs you hear that rings

so true that they can stop you in your tracks and the songs lyrics sound like there were

either written specifically for you or by you what's that song

i think back to my wife Frank Sinatra okay

you know because it's about i think about self-believe in our own path

and of being rude to our own path

i like that that's that's a strong choice and thank you

for sharing i appreciate that well it's just about time to cue the music for today's episode but

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our special guest mr. matan koan citron for being on our show today matan can you tell

our listeners how they can get in touch with you thank you first it's a pleasure being here with you

this was great i really enjoyed this i guess for best places my website matan

s movement so m a k and s movement dot com i also have the same thing on instagram

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speaking of i invite you to head on over to our show notes where you'll find a link to today's

playlist as well as the things that we just mentioned how to get in touch with matan

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