Dustin Aquatics: He Built a Volcano Terrarium With Fog and “Lava” Lights | DSH #1750

I was actually looking for something to do to occupy my time in my mind.

I've been spending too much time at the bar.

And I was like, I'm just going to go ahead and buy like $500 worth of stuff,

which is what I would have pissed away at the bar.

And that way I had some skin in the game.

And then instead of waking up home over, I woke up,

and broke down my terrarium each morning for 30, 40 minutes.

And that kind of got me on like the right path for the day.

I had like that feeling of accomplishment.

You set the tone, yeah.

Exactly. But more importantly, I had like a physical piece of evidence

that I spent another day not going getting hammered.

And then I had an incentive to make sure that my sharpness the next morning

to do another round of work.

That's cool.

Okay guys, we got Dustin here.

He got a little wet on the way.

In Vegas, which is rare.

It was insane.

It was like I was in Florida.

I just said, monsoon coming in, wind blowing sideways.

Yeah.

Got a little cool down though for it.

Yeah, you cost some very interesting time.

And then it doesn't rain like that here.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I thought this was a desert.

It is, but it picked the wingtime of the day.

Yeah, but so your company is alternate aquatics, right?

Correct.

Yes, sir.

Could you explain what you do there?

Yeah, so realistically, it's kind of,

it's just started as like a in-home hobby type of deal.

But right now, I'm just building and creating many ecosystems inside of my home.

Some of them are self-contained, meaning that they're completely self-sufficient.

They don't require any maintenance on them.

And then I got some bigger ones that do require a little bit.

But the main goal of my builds is to try to build.

It is realistic and natural looking as possible with as little maintenance as possible.

So when you say maintenance, some of these require some more hands-on stuff.

A little bit.

It just depends like some of my terrariums have some animals in them.

Yeah.

They all do have animals.

There's a cleanup crew consisting of springtails.

There's these tiny little bugs that eat decaying plant and animal matter.

And that in turn will create new fertilizer for the plants.

But it makes the entire ecosystem self-sufficient and self-cleaning.

But if there's other animals like I have some poison, dark frogs, for example.

I got to feed those.

What are those eat?

They eat flightless fruit flies.

What's the point of a fly if you can't fly?

I didn't even know that was a thing.

There are specific breed of flies that you can get two different ones.

There's wingless ones and there's a specific species.

I forget the name right off the top of my head.

But as long as you keep them under 70 degrees, they don't develop the ability to fly.

So if anybody ever sees the flightless fruit fly cultures at Petco,

I would go ahead and just dodge those.

Because that's the worst mistake you'll ever make.

I made it a couple of times.

You open that in your house.

You've got an infestation.

Oh, you're done?

Damn.

Oh, it's a game over.

Because I'm assuming the temperature gets too hot when they're chipping them or something like that.

Wow. That's good to know.

Thank you.

Poisoned dark frogs.

So can you just buy those anywhere?

How does that work?

So here's the thing that's really cool.

Poisoned dark frogs.

They actually get their toxins from the animals that they eat the insects.

They do their natural habitat.

So as long as you're getting them captive bread, they're totally safe to touch.

Oh.

But ironically, we have toxins on our skin being the oils on our skin.

That if we touch them, it's actually toxic to them.

No way.

We don't touch them anyway.

They don't touch.

Yeah.

Dude.

That's crazy.

That's a mind fuck.

I was like growing up, I thought like you should never touch it or kill you.

Yeah.

No.

You'll do them more harm.

Wow.

Because the ones in the jungle though, those are really poisonous, right?

Yeah.

It's like nature's poacher defense.

Right.

If you got there and steal them from their natural habitat, they can get you.

Yeah.

You ever done that or do you just buy all your...

Actually, I get all of mine from frogdaddy.net.

Frogdaddy.

What a domain.

It's frogdaddy.net.

Best name ever.

He's actually one of my sponsors, too.

He sends me frogs now.

That's sick.

And he's also got an awesome plant selection.

That's actually where I do a lot of the research for different types of terrarium type of plants,

because he's got a nice little description and care requirements.

Makes it easy.

One of my favorite memories as a kid is going to the local river and catching frogs.

Me, too.

I would catch them barehanded.

Yeah.

Yeah, when they jumped, you'd have to time it.

Yeah, exactly.

It's so fun though.

And then, and crawdads.

What's up?

Like a little crawfish.

Oh, I never got those in Jersey.

Oh, yeah.

You're in Florida.

I grew up in South Dakota.

Oh, South Dakota.

Rapid city.

A lot of crawfish out there.

Yeah.

I was born in Berlin, Germany, and moved to South Dakota.

Wow.

That's a big change.

It was definitely weird.

I remember my parents used to read, like, Old Westerns to me.

Yeah.

They told me, you know, that we're going to be moving to the Wild West.

So in my mind, I thought we're going to be taking a fucking chuck wagon across the prairie.

But now we just landed in a plane, and it was just South Dakota, Rapid City.

Yeah.

Not much to do there.

What would you do to keep yourself entertained out there as a kid?

Luckily, for me, the one corner of South Dakota that's really interesting is Rapid City.

Oh, yeah.

You've got the black hills there.

And then, you know, interesting things happen.

You've got Sturgis, the Rally, the motorcycle.

Oh, okay.

You've got Deadwood is there.

And there's just really a lot of good hiking trails.

It's a lot of good nature stuff out there.

Absolutely.

Is that where you kind of fell in love with, like, this sort of environment animal stuff?

I think I've always kind of loved it, to be honest.

I used to have, like, fish tanks and stuff.

And I even would bring a fish tank around with me when I chased hail.

What?

As a roofing contractor.

You would bring the tank with you?

I brought it with me.

Yeah.

I would take all the fish, put them in a five gallon bucket, put a lid on it, and put it in my passenger seat,

ferry them to the next location.

Wow.

So you really liked these fish?

Yeah.

It's just relaxing, you know?

It's really relaxing.

That's one of the reasons that I really love the terrariums.

I guess you could say I kind of upgraded.

It's just really relaxing to look at them.

It's kind of therapeutic to kind of take care of them.

And trim the plants, mist them down in the mornings.

Yeah.

And especially since I live in, like, outside of Cleveland now, it's super depressing there.

I've had a few guests from Cleveland and they do not seem to be the happiest people.

Yeah.

You know, it's like you're either happy and you've just, you know, you've made your peace with the weather

and the scenery of Cleveland or you just depressed there.

I mean seasonal depression is a thing.

Yes.

There's no denying it.

Definitely.

Cleveland probably is one of the worst weather in the country.

For sure.

But that's, you know, you just step in my terrarium room and you're good to go on that.

How many terrariums you got now?

I got seven or, yeah, I want to say seven of them.

Okay.

So that's less than I thought, actually, because you have a lot of videos.

Yeah, I just, you know, find a lot of different ways to make videos on them.

Got it.

So seven terrariums.

How many are self-sustaining first?

They need some work.

So I've got another three closed jar ones that I didn't count in that.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, like the ones that I'll make one for you today.

Got it.

Show you how it all works.

But those ones are totally self-sufficient.

Probably my most self-sufficient one is like a moss wall terrarium that I built that doesn't have any animals in it.

It's just got some cool water features.

I guess it's got some shrimp in it, but they pretty much take care of them.

Got it.

So that could that theoretically just go on forever if you just left it?

Yeah, absolutely.

Like the closed jar ones, as long as they have access to indirect sunlight,

I've seen some out there that are 70, 80 years never been open.

Whoa.

Just cycling through.

Holy crap.

So people have been doing this for a while.

Yeah.

70 years.

You know, honestly, I only got into this like three years ago.

And I mean, I thought that I was pretty, you know, obsessed with this kind of stuff.

And I had no idea that the terrarium world existed the way that it does.

And once I got into it, I was hooked.

Yeah.

Are there terrarium meetups like conferences events?

Yeah.

There's all sorts of things like that.

There's even like a national frog best type thing that happens in Ann Arbor every year.

Wow.

I love going to weird conferences like that.

Like I meet so many cool people.

You'd like that one.

Yeah.

And Vegas is perfect for that because every day there's some sort of conference here.

Oh, yeah.

You know, I didn't even think about that, but you got a perfect location for that.

Yeah.

No, Vegas is.

Yeah.

There's like a, have you heard of AVN?

Yes.

Yeah.

So that's here every year.

So then I'll do that.

And the next week will be like a Christian conference.

Yeah.

It's just all sorts of startups all over the place.

Yeah.

I was watching some of your videos.

I noticed like you've got everybody on.

I think it's interesting to interview people from all walks of life, you know?

Yeah.

You can live a different life than each other.

Yeah.

I think it's interesting to definitely.

Yeah.

But yeah.

So I remember I was watching just like some YouTube videos one day.

And I ran across some terrarium videos.

They just showed up kind of like in my four-year page, kind of like you.

And I was actually looking for something to do to occupy my time in my mind.

Because I'd been spending too much time at the bar.

And frankly, it was getting shit house way too much.

And don't blame me and complete my mind.

Yeah.

Nothing to do now.

Yeah.

You know, it's it's where we all congregate together, you know?

But, um.

And honestly, I, I made a video about that too.

Just like a short video that resonated with a lot of people that reached out to me that they are now trying to use terrarium building as a way to get sober.

Oh, that's dope.

And I think it's like the best way to do it.

I took, uh, because the initial, you know, expense of the terrarium.

The most expensive thing is the actual terrarium itself.

Like the glass.

Yeah.

Okay.

And the glass like set up like a bigger one.

And so I did a little research on it.

I realized it was going to cost me, you know, at least a grand probably more to do it right.

Wow.

And I was like, I'm just going to go ahead and buy like $500 worth of stuff, which is what I would have pissed away at.

At the bar.

And that way I had some skin in the game.

And then instead of, uh, you know, waking up hung over, I woke up and worked on my terrarium each morning for 30, 40 minutes.

And that kind of got me on like the right path for the day.

Yeah.

Like I made the, I had like that feeling of accomplishment.

You set the tone.

Yeah.

Exactly.

But more importantly, I had like a physical piece of evidence that I spent another day not going getting hammered.

And then I had an incentive to make sure I was at my sharpest the next morning to do another, you know, round away.

That's cool.

And then next thing, you know, I have the, it's actually my biggest terrarium and probably my coolest in my opinion.

And then, you know, I do still go and drink once in a while.

It's not like that.

It used to be.

That's for sure.

So you've always got that, you know, like almost like a shrine to your accomplishment.

That's a good conversation starter.

Definitely.

Definitely.

Yeah.

People love to see my terrarium room.

That's true.

A lot of people don't even know I have it.

Oh really?

Well, now they do.

You're blowing up now.

No, they'll know.

Now you got what?

Millions of views.

Every day coming in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Probably.

You know, I went from like two or three thousand followers on Facebook to like 175,000 in a couple months.

Totally.

So Facebook's where this took off.

Instagram first.

Instagram.

Instagram first.

I had a video.

I found out with like the short form content.

Yeah.

It worked really well when I would showcase something where you really know it was happening

at first.

Yep.

A hook.

Yeah.

A little curiosity.

And then you just got to deliver after that.

You got me going on that one.

I think you had the poison dart frog close up at first and then I was like, what the fuck?

And then you were like, yeah, I built this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's how you got to do it.

And then also I ruffled some feathers with the aquarium purist.

Oh, you got some beef.

I just, you know, I've made a video.

It's kind of like lighthearted, but they took it seriously.

I was like five reasons why terrariums are better than aquariums.

Wow.

I didn't know there was a beef there with the terrarium.

There is now, apparently.

Wow.

People are very passionate about their aquariums.

They are.

Yeah.

I've seen people drop five figures on one single aquarium.

Yeah.

They get, they get insane out there.

Once I, you know, I obviously don't want to stay in Cleveland forever.

Yeah.

It's just where I ended up because of the roofing industry.

They have very favorable roofing codes so you can kind of take it to the insurance.

Got it, got it.

But if this continues to, you know, work out the way it has, then I'm going to change career paths.

I'm sure you could start.

Do people sell these like, is that a business?

Yeah, I get asked a lot.

The only problem is I got to figure out how I would ship them.

Right.

That'd be very difficult to ship.

I'm sure like, it might have to be a, you got to come pick it up type of thing and drive it up.

Yeah.

You might have to start local at first and then figure that out.

That's kind of what I'm thinking.

You know, maybe down the road, if it really gets popular enough, I'd love to do something

kind of like that show tanked back in the day.

I don't know if you ever saw that.

I heard of it.

I was very young, I think, when it was airing.

I loved that show.

They would always go in there and build huge custom tanks for like, famous people.

Oh, like fish tanks?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, you should bring that back for terrarium.

That's what I'm thinking.

Like, rerun it.

Dude, that'd be sick.

I'm sure people would want to have one, you know, really cool one.

Yeah.

And that would be the best thing ever.

Yeah.

I could film it too.

No, that'd be dope, man.

Imagine having one at the studio.

Yeah, exactly.

Oh, you're gonna.

Yeah, I'm about to.

I'm about to.

Yeah.

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Alright, so now I'm an official terrarium owner, right?

Yeah, that's correct.

Let's go.

Yeah, you don't even need a license.

I don't need a license.

You also have made, let's try to pronounce this, right?

Polidarium?

Polidariums.

Yeah, we can go over that.

Yeah, so what's the difference with that in a terrarium?

Alright, so a terrarium is going to be just a land section.

So you've only got a visible land area.

I mean, all of them are going to have what's called a false bottom or a drainage layer,

which is where that water accumulates.

A pallidarium is a terrarium with a designated water section.

So like you could build, I mean, I've seen them where they've got fish in the bottom of them

if they're big enough, but that gives you a huge option of different types of animals

to put in that you wouldn't be able to with just a terrarium.

Like the vampire crabs, for example.

Right.

So essentially you're going to build the drainage layer, but leave a section open.

Okay, because I know one of your top videos is the volcano island, polidarium, right?

That was the one that I built when I got sober.

Oh, that was your first one.

Or at least, you know, got my habits in check.

So that one, it just was like a little idea that I had that would be cool to take some dragon stone.

And I built like an acrylic tower out of acrylic glass that I put the tubing and the pump into my water feature.

And I just thought it would be cool to take some different rocks and attach them to it.

And then hit the seams with, I'm sorry, hit the seams with clear silicone.

And then I put red LEDs behind it.

So it shines through those grass.

Oh, that's sick.

Yeah. So it looks like a volcano, like lava.

That's sick.

And then I put a fog machine at the top.

So it spills out smoke too.

That's badass, dude.

Yeah, that was a cool video.

It was just, I just went a little different.

Beard off the course of trying to make it look natural.

Yeah.

So I ended up, I had fish in there for a while.

But then I ended up taking an opportunity to go work a hailstorm for roofing in Florida.

Oh, yeah.

And I brought that thing with me.

So I re-homed the fish and ended up putting my first poison bar for dogs and that one.

Oh, sick.

They let you bring it on the plane.

Oh, no, no, I drove down.

Oh, okay.

The thing was way too big for the plane.

It took me and like a couple of people to lift it into a U-Haul.

Oh, so we're talking like hundreds of pounds.

It's a big boy.

Damn.

I bet you had weighs like 300 pounds.

Wow.

That's intense.

Wow.

It's like, gosh, I don't have exact measurements, but it's at least four feet tall.

Holy shit.

How long did that take you to build?

That one definitely took me the longest.

I think it was like 30, 40 minutes a day for four, five weeks.

Wow.

But there's also like, if you're building the bigger terrariums, there's curing processes

for some of the materials like silicone, for example.

One of the products I use is called Expanding Foam.

It's great stuff.

Expanding Foam.

And it's pond and stone safe.

It's made specifically to fill in gaps in between ponds.

Okay.

But you can use it in a terrarium to build out your backdrop.

So that's one of my preferred methods actually is to spray the spray foam and then carve it down

to make it look how I want.

And then I'll layer that with a aquarium-safe silicone and a mixture of cocoa peat and spagnomoss,

which gives it a backdrop that I can then attach like moss or plants or whatever.

Dauca.

That's cool.

One of my favorite ways to actually make a terrarium look really cool and natural.

Once again, frog daddy.

I go there.

It's got a wet moss mix.

And it does all the hard work for you.

So it's got like 13 different types of mosses and little microferns.

And a terrarium, especially a bigger one, has a bunch of little microclimates in it.

So it'll automatically grow the best suited moss for each little microclimate in your terrarium.

Totally.

Yeah.

So it makes it super simple for you.

Yeah.

Does frog daddy make these too?

Or he just sells the supplies?

He makes it.

And he makes that stuff in home.

Nice.

What's the biggest rarium you've seen?

How many feet?

How big was it?

I think it was at a mall actually.

At a mall.

But I forget where I was.

It was obviously not Cleveland.

I want to say it was in Miami, possibly.

But it was in like a really bougie mall.

And they had like a, there's like at least one and a half stories tall.

It was next to like the escalators.

Holy crap.

Yeah, I'm going to look up some videos tonight of like cool ones.

I was like, man, I'd love to do that.

Yeah, I'm sure you'll get there, man.

You're just a couple months in already getting a lot of views.

Was there someone doing this before you?

That was like blowing up on social media?

Yeah, for sure.

There's been like, I started this about three years ago.

Or at least, I mean, honestly, I think I would have started researching this right about three years ago.

Okay.

I started building my first terrarium in the winter.

And did you document the first one?

Yeah, that's the volcano called Darium Build.

I've got the full video up on YouTube.

That's smart that you did that.

Yeah, I just thought it'd be cool to document.

I thought maybe like someone, some people might like it,

but I didn't think I'd get this kind of traction.

Yeah, millions, man.

That's crazy.

It's crazy, honestly.

I'm actually really surprised by it.

Yeah.

Well, it's unique, right?

Yeah.

Like, it's not something you see every day.

Absolutely.

Yeah, it's kind of like, but you said it's been around for 80 years.

You met someone that had an 80-year-old.

Oh, I saw it online.

This guy had one that was closed and opened it for 80 years.

And it was not all green in there.

I want to see that one too.

We'll have to throw up a photo of that one.

Also, there are Viveriums.

So the Viveriums is just an all-encompassing term.

So you've got your basic, I want to say four different types.

You've got your aquarium, which is just under, you know, water.

Everything's under water.

You've got a rip perium, which is like a fish tank,

but you've got plants growing on top of it,

mainly just rooting into the water.

Or some people will try to make it look like your,

like the edge of a stream almost.

If you were to just take like a piece of the stream,

where the water and the land sections meet,

cut it out and put it in a...

Okay. Like a waterfall section?

Like, just think of like a river bank,

where the water meets the land.

Oh, okay.

Or you could just cut that section out and put it in an aquarium.

Got it.

It's mainly water with a little land at the top.

A polydarium is going to be mainly land with a section of water.

And then your terrarium is just land with the drainage layer.

But they all, you know, have drainage layer.

Okay. So the varium is just like the encompassing term for all four.

Yeah. Okay.

Some people...

I've seen some other people say that the variums

is if you're just doing plants without animals.

Because, you know, you can keep them in a super high humidity environment,

so that gives you the opportunity to have more exotic plants.

Got it.

Are there any animals you really want to work with?

Try to figure out how to plug these in.

Um, honestly, if I can, if I can get myself some property,

I'm planning on one day doing like a biodome.

And I want to have like dwarf camons.

What's up?

They're like mini crocodiles.

Whoa.

Like alligator looking things.

You're going to go like Mike Tyson.

Yeah.

Mike Tyson out here had a couple of those.

Oh, really?

Was it Crock?

No, it was Lions.

It was not my bad Lions.

Lions.

That was not.

Someone had Crock.

Oh, uh, the drug dealer.

He had Alligators.

Um, fuck.

What was his name?

He had so many.

He had Alligators and hippos.

Lanking out on the name.

But I remember seeing like, obviously, we've all seen Tiger King.

Yeah.

Try to get him on the podcast.

Oh, no, he's still in jail and trying to do it.

But you can only do 10 minute calls.

Oh, it's going to say like, maybe you could do a zoom.

I have that.

No, I had to be voice call couldn't do zoom.

That would be so crazy.

Well, there's been a lot of jail podcasts recently.

Patrick, but David, if you know him, he just interviewed someone big from from prison.

I forget.

Uh, sugar night.

Oh, really?

Yeah, but they had to do 10 minute calls and he had to do parts.

No kidding.

Yeah.

Well worth the challenge.

Yeah.

So that's going to be a thing now.

Yeah.

Well, I can't wait to see the Tiger King interview.

Yeah.

We'll see.

I tried getting his ex, Carol.

Yeah.

But she said she's never doing another interview again.

Really?

She's done.

It's like that.

And she's at peace with it.

Okay.

And her lost boyfriend turned up.

So like all.

I didn't even know that.

Oh, you didn't know that?

No.

Yeah, he turned up when I was watching that.

I was like, she killed the shit out.

Yeah.

I thought he, I thought 100% she killed them.

But no, he turned up like a year or two ago.

No way.

I was shocked.

I got to look into that now.

I got it.

Yeah.

I was actually like baffled.

Yeah.

I was 100% convinced she killed that.

For sure.

Like no doubt in my mind.

It's such an ideal setup to like, if you want to murder someone, just have a bunch of

animals.

Yeah.

And she was talking about like how she would do it in one, in the one section.

She's like, they, you know, I wouldn't spray perfume.

I'd spray sardine oil.

Yeah.

So she didn't.

She had a, how I would commit the murder.

Yeah.

She's innocent, man.

But no, that's cool.

I hope, I hope one day you could get some gators.

I'd be dope.

Yeah.

They're like, they only get like three feet.

They're like, they're the smallest by far of the species.

Yeah.

I want to get a dwarf pig or cow.

But apparently they just keep growing.

I don't know.

Oh, really?

I don't know.

Okay.

My friend in Texas just got some like mini cows and they stay that size or just got them.

Okay.

Let me know next year.

I'll report back.

Yeah.

I'll report back to me.

I'll be like, are you?

Yeah.

Pigs and cows are so freaking cute, dude.

Yeah.

I just want one in my bed just to cuddle with literally.

I only like as far as port goes.

I'm down to just bacon now because I feel bad.

I try not to be pork, to be honest.

Man, I just, sometimes you just can't, I can't help myself with the bacon.

Dude, those, in Jersey, they call it pork egg roll and cheese.

Oh, yeah.

So fucking good.

Oh my god.

On a bagel.

Nice.

Yeah.

You should try one, though.

So you're, I didn't even know you were from Jersey.

East Coast.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm out here in the West now.

Don't feel like I fit in entirely, but it's all good.

It's hard to do a podcast in Jersey.

I bet.

Yeah.

But podcasting Cleveland might even be harder.

Yeah.

Shots fired.

Hey, I'm not, I'm impartial to you.

I just happen to live there.

Get your back.

Yeah, get your back.

I understand that.

I understand you got to be in certain parts to make some money in and build up some network and get out of there.

Exactly.

Honestly, I'm going to look at, you know, I'll try to find a state somewhere where I can build out like a property with a bunch of different things.

You need somewhere humid, right?

Not necessarily.

I mean, I can control the environment in the bio-downs of the building.

Okay.

I'm going to do two of the main things I want to do.

One, build large terrariums down the road for people that hire me directly and then document the process.

And then also just like build my own free-standing little buildings that are their own bio-dome in each one.

Yeah.

And like do it on like a like a scale of like this room.

Well, I'll get you started, man.

I just added you to the WhatsApp chat with all the previous guests of the show.

Sweet.

So type in there and see if anyone wants one of these things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So just type in there.

We'll have a photo of this.

It's already.

Is this condensation?

Yeah.

That's already the water condensating.

Oh, wow.

And then also like the leaves from when the plants start to root into that water level.

Yeah.

They'll draw water from the from the bottom and then they'll, you know, evaporate out condensate.

So you don't want to ever shake this, right?

You can see the spring tail of one of them made its way across the glass there.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, you don't ever need to do anything there.

Just keep it closed.

Make sure it gets some sunlight.

Maybe like once every other week if you want to.

So it's really just, you know, you don't have to, but just turn it a little bit.

Oh, turn it.

So the sunlight hits a little different.

Exactly.

But you don't even have to do that realistically.

That's cool.

Well, dude.

Where could people find you and potentially get one of these off you wonder?

I'm on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

I just made an excellent like 52 followers.

Follow me there.

I hate numbers.

And that's going to be alternate aquatics for all of them.

Awesome.

Yeah.

Thanks so much, man.

We'll keep this up the studio.

Absolutely.

Appreciate it.

Cool.

Yeah.

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