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I mean, unselfish for you guys.

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Once we start watching interviews, it's on.

Yeah, they, uh, they can tell you a lot in certain situations, for sure.

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So, um, sorry for us being away for a few weeks here,

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So boys, you ready to talk?

We got combine takeaways and we got some news.

So we're going to kind of polish off this news here

because there's been a ton of player movement.

So I felt like it'd be wrong for us to just

not mention that because it has been sending some ripples

through the dynasty community boys.

First one earlier this week was day of Montgomery traded to

the Houston Texans.

Obviously a big upgrade in the running back room for the Texans.

We talked about it in the group chat, though, boys.

It's going to be tough sledding for any running back if they don't fix

that offensive line in Houston.

So Joe, what are you thinking about this addition for the Texans?

The subtraction for the lions and how David Montgomery fits here?

I thought it was a great hall for the lions for a 29-year-old running back.

That being said, I'm fairly interested in that 29-year-old running back

because they are not afraid to run the hell out of the ball in Houston.

I think, you know, unfortunately, sadly,

Nick Chubb just didn't have any juice left last season,

but the role was there for the taking and Woody

marks for as well as he played and as much as he surprised us.

I don't think is anybody's idea of an every down back.

So I think it's a great opportunity just to

rack up empty calories with David Montgomery

until the wheels fall off and I'm pretty darn interested,

especially in light of this running back class for my

RB-meaning teams. I'm kind of trying to figure out exactly what

I would give up for a David Montgomery.

But, you know, for teams that need a running back now,

you can probably get them relatively cheap and just buy the production.

And Joe, there's so many dynasty, you know, theories that are encapsulated

by this move. You know, it's the the breakup of a backfield, right?

It's the, oh, I think I have a handcuff.

Now all of a sudden, I have two starters.

You know, the the the Jameer Gibbs David Montgomery

situation can happen in a lot of other scenarios.

And it is going to happen in a lot of other scenarios.

Namely, even the Travis ETN,

Basel Tutin situation, which I think will play out where both of those guys

have increased value going into next year.

The other corollary that that comes to mind is the

don't think you've got a starter when you've got a fourth round

rookie who did stuff. The Damian Pierce thing, you know, where it's like,

oh, he's he's the guy. I'm going to spend a first round pick.

This is the Woody Mark situation. He was always doomed.

And you know, maybe he's better or worse than this or that guy thinks he is.

I don't really know. I mean, he seemed better than I thought he was.

I don't really even know like maybe we lost that bet because we're betting

against Woody Marks. But that's the win is what you got from Woody Marks.

Because most often these guys get eviscerated when the the musical

chairs sort of shuffle again because David Montgomery is better.

You know, he's he's better. So I think that's a cautionary tale,

even for guys that we like, like maybe even Basel Tutin,

like maybe even Mr. Cam Skatabo, just some thoughts there.

Not not to get too deep on this because we said we're going to go quick on this,

but I got to ask the question guys, you know, I have several

Vocky chairs. He's been sitting on ends of benches, right?

We load up on running backs and just kind of wait for them to be useful.

I'm kind of torn as to what to think here because there's not much else left in Detroit

aside from Gibbs. It seems like a sell window to me, but I don't know.

I haven't pulled the trigger. It seems like it's never going to be better.

And this is absolutely the time where you should do it.

But what do we think? Just real?

Sell Gibbs or sell Vocky?

Sell Vocky. He's now a throw in that's like,

you know, it's not he's not going to be the main part of any time.

Yeah, you know what you mean? I think you're right.

I mean, yeah, of course you're selling because there's really no

ceiling outcome. I do think he's another one.

Like if you if you do have someone who thinks that he's worth something,

they're probably going to add another free agent actually.

You know, they might have traded David Rusconry,

but they're going to bring in, I don't know, whoever.

You know, it doesn't even matter.

But somebody with a higher pedigree and profile than see on see on a Vocky.

And that's just the way that that goes.

You know, and that's what we do is we sort of put false labels on players

because they sort of appear to be in a chair that they don't deserve.

You know, I think Joe, I think your process is sound.

I think it's just a way too early in the process for that process

for us to necessarily play out that process, right?

Because there's so much time for them to add, they could add a fourth round

rookie and they could add somebody in free agency.

I also would challenge you to find more than three

leaguemates in your league that remember that he's on an NFL roster potentially.

So I just don't know what you're getting in a trade back for me to

keep him on my roster just to try and find that value in a trade.

You know what I mean?

I think he's not going to have them as a throw in.

You know, like in other words, it's time to put him in, in,

in, you know, something.

And yeah, of course you are.

You know, it's true.

You know, when you find little micro edges like that,

I think though that the bigger one is, you know,

like right now for me, the, the buy is basal tutin.

I mean, obviously people can see it coming,

but I, I mentioned it.

I think it was on JJ's podcast that people don't really

do the thing until they see it.

It's like hard for people to take the action until it actually happens.

And then they're like, oh, look at this, David Montgomery

or whatever, you know, then they want to buy that.

And I think that when it Travis ETN finally

presumably moves on, right?

I mean, is that what's going on?

I haven't looked at the most recent information.

But even if he doesn't, I mean, I think he's going to.

But, you know, long story short again, you know,

it's like these things tend to work themselves out.

You know, you, you, we think that Ken Walker is going to,

he could have up in with the giants is what I'm hearing.

Like that, that drumbeat continues to be played.

I'm not sure if it happens or not, but I think that

two things tell me there that, you know, maybe

it's, you know, sharp and he's hurt.

Like, what is, what are they going to do in Seattle?

Like, is this a George Halani or is there some

that is there another move there for Seattle?

I don't know that.

That's interesting because it feels like they should just

hang on a Ken Walker.

But there has to be, you know what I'm saying?

Talking to me shocked at how much, you know, Halani and Vahki.

It's like, I hoard these guys.

I hoard them.

Like, like, so I'm sitting on Halani.

I'm just like, this, this isn't asset.

No, I'm, we have to wait.

They're probably going to address the position too.

And they're probably just not going to pay Ken Walker

the kind of money they think he's going to draw out there.

And the market and maybe, you know, he comes back to Seattle

after he realizes he's not going to get what he wants.

But they're going to sign somebody else.

They're not rolling into the season with Halani.

I'll put, I'll put a dynasty game three bow on this,

which is that, you know, I was looking at a team.

I think it was actually dead serious, which you were in Joe.

And I was looking at, like, I just was like, wow,

I have a lot of running backs.

People were dropping players.

And I was like, who do I drop?

You know, and I was like, man, I have a lot of running backs on this team.

And a lot of them are not even on a roster.

Like, I have cam acres and Jarrett Patterson

or whatever the fuck is name is like, right?

And I'm like, I don't really want to drop them

because they're running backs.

And I looked and I just, you know, I looked at like,

you know, you go to trade and then it shows you all the teams.

And it puts the, you know, quarterbacks and running backs

on wide receivers and tight ends.

My quarterbacks and running backs went to the lower,

lower than anybody else's quarterback and running back.

And I think that that's the roster construction

that I think is most valuable is to have a lot of quarterbacks

and a lot of running backs.

And then just some good wide receivers and a couple tight.

Like, you know what I mean?

To be loaded up and to have not as many of those

is generally not not good because whether it's Vocky

or Halani, they actually do pose more value

than the wide receiver that is synonymous with their value.

Yeah, then a Diamy Brown, right?

I just cut Diamy Brown today.

Because even if it gets the opportunities,

doesn't matter.

Yeah, exactly.

I would say, I would say that those two examples

are probably like the lower end of it.

Because I think for me, I'd probably cut bait on those guys

maybe a little bit quicker and turn those

into other running backs, you know what I mean?

Just because I just think that those guys so often end up

becoming a zero once again.

And that's their result, you know what I mean?

That I don't know.

I'm just willing to kind of cut bait on those guys a little bit

sooner as opposed to kind of hope they're going to be

something like don't be hate.

Don't be hating on Diamy Brown Joe.

Like easy on Diamy, all right?

Are you trying to trigger me on that one?

Like it's early in the show here.

No, but I realized as I was saying it,

who I was talking to.

Kyler Murray is set to be released, boys.

I don't think he's released.

He's gone already.

He is gone.

Okay, sorry.

I probably made this show sheet before.

Yeah, but anyway, he's gone now.

And so I'm seeing the most that I'm seeing is

speculation of him going to the Vikings,

which I think could be an incredible spot for him.

I don't think we want to get too deep into like the speculation game

necessarily, boys.

But I think I've made it clear where I stand on Kyler Murray

as a player and a quarterback.

I think that tune could potentially change in an offense

like Kevin O'Connell's Minnesota.

What do you guys think about Kyler as far as like

what Ashelon, he's in as an asset coming into a team?

I mean, I think last year I was basically banging the get rid of Kyler

and he's, you know, kind of on thin ice drum.

And so we'll see where he ends up.

Like obviously, you know, Minnesota is like the dream landing spot.

But I don't think there are many beyond that

that I'm going to be very excited about.

And I don't know that Minnesota is like the right fit for that offense.

I kind of see them as like the dark horse to go get their car

at a retirement, depending thing.

I think that's the kind of dude that O'Connell's probably looking for.

As opposed to Kyler who, you know, is his best out of structure

and has never really been a great instructor

and is reliant on getting outside the pocket

and, you know, getting a little older now.

So like once the physical traits start to fail him,

you know, has he developed enough as a quarterback

to do the rest and the answer is

undoubtedly no, right?

Like, he might be a baseball player.

I'm not joking.

You might be a baseball player.

That may happen.

Yeah, that may happen.

Apparently, the A's are interested in him.

I'm asking you what's the first round pick on him.

And why not?

I mean, you actually get like, you also get to sell jerseys.

Like, he pays for himself.

And if he's good fucking bonus, you know what I mean?

He like, it puts butts in the seats for sure.

Hey, do you know Kyler playing along until to check it out?

You know, so that happens as soon as he signs.

So I think that's possible.

And that's fucking crazy.

I did not see that on the Bingo card,

a one full calendar year ago.

As I was kind of talking about Kyler as a value last year,

Joe was right.

Travis right.

I guess you guys told me that I was wrong.

But, you know, the answer always is,

and I say this repeatedly is like,

there's two ways to evaluate these players.

And one is as an NFL asset.

And whether or not they're able to retain their work.

And two is as a fantasy asset.

And if they do retain their job, what does that look like?

And I will say Kyler with a job is a player I want in fantasy.

But he sucks kind of.

So, you know, it's like a double-edged sword.

Like, but even though he kind of sucks and he's not a winning quarterback,

if he's on the field, he's going to score you great fantasy points.

This year not quite as good, but whatever, you get my point.

I do think Derek Carr has been rumored to go to the Jets,

which makes me very happy as a Patriots fan.

Oh, God.

Just a fucking...

What a car wreck pun intended.

Well, that makes me excited.

If I had the guns in my head, I think Kyler's in Miami.

I think Carr's on the Vikings.

And Kyler could end up in Atlanta as well,

depending on what they do with her cousin.

I think that's not a bad spot for him actually.

I think that'd be a little scary.

I'm kind of interested at that spot.

And I think that the point here, too,

is Dynasty Game 3 bow on it again.

It's like, you're just looking to, you know,

buy low on these quarterbacks.

They're going to get a chance.

You know, even Derek Carr is at David,

which one of these carbrows?

Derek Carr is going to get a shot again.

I'm joking.

But, you know, it's like, you know, Tua right now.

Nobody wants Tua.

And nobody in the NFL even wants Tua.

And I get it.

Like, so the point being there is like,

you should be able to buy for trash for nothing.

And, you know, you want to sort of have a bunch of these guys,

you know, you know, on your team.

Yeah, I can tell you there are,

there were teams that I had one good starting quarterback.

And then everybody else got hurt or whatever.

But I had enough backups where I was like,

the Rubik's cube of who was healthy in starting.

I always had a starter.

I was like, yeah, I can't remember the,

who were all the losers that got starts last year.

But I was able to play a QB2 in my, you know,

superflex spot and it was a competitive team.

And, you know, you're just like,

whoa, look at this.

I got whoever it is.

It doesn't matter.

So a lot of these guys are startable once they get in there.

So it's worth having a bunch of backups.

Any any any any quarterback in the top 64 quarterbacks

is well worth roster in any two QB or superflex league.

Yeah, it's the same thing as running back, right?

It's like, you know, with less of them being viable.

Therefore, you want to have a good amount of them

because they're going to get shots.

And like I picked up car in so many leagues

at the end of last season when everybody had kind of cut him

finally given up realized he's not going to play last year.

Retire.

All right.

Yeah, exactly.

Like I think he's definitely on the radar to come back.

So yeah, and he's not that good.

So nobody cares.

I like fuck it.

I don't even like him.

So it's true.

And it's true.

He's still a back end quarterback too at best.

Like even the idea of like us telling someone to go pick up

Derek Carr.

Like for sure, he should be rock.

He's rostered in every league I'm in.

Like, except for one quarterback leagues, obviously.

But like every two QB and some likes he's already rostered.

But I guarantee you there are there are leagues that y'all are in

that are listening where Derek Carr is available.

And you drops your worst wide receiver or your worst tight end.

And you pick him up pronto.

Yeah, there's value in that for sure.

Okay, boys, we're going to move past the couple to the big one.

So Danny Dimes got the transition tag from the Colts.

I think that's a smart move.

Patriots released Saphon Diggs, which I thought was very interesting.

And I didn't expect that after a good season.

We're going to talk about what happened today, though, boys.

It's another wide receiver changing teams.

DJ Mo money.

DJ Moore has been traded to the Buffalo Bills.

I think the bill sent a second for DJ Moore.

And a fifth, I believe it was.

I think this is a good move for both sides.

Gets DJ Moore that, you know, number one target on a team

that he is looking for and all of the young guns that we're hoping to flourish

out of Chicago.

Yeah.

No, I'm going to use a Luther Bird and Colston,

Loveland.

Yeah.

Have that much more runway to do.

Just that, boys.

Alamad is a kiosk.

Don't even start with that again.

Don't even start with that again.

It's so bad that we had to see a lot of these kiosk over Luther Bird.

No, you're really was painful to watch that happen.

But anyway, I'm sorry.

I mean, at least he has a great name.

Like, at least it wasn't like John Smith or something, you know,

like some lunch-pale John Smith out there.

Yeah.

And our most kiosk is a pretty dope name.

So what do you guys think about this move?

Like, were you most like, obviously, I think we all like

and have been pushing some of these Bears players?

So I think we are probably all, I think it's safe to say most excited for those Bears guys.

But it has to be a big win for DJ Mo money bag holders, right?

No, no, this is a win for fantasy football.

Like, yeah.

This is just, there's no, who loses?

Like, what's the down, like, what are we talking about?

Like, even, what are the lose, like, Keon Coleman?

Who care?

Like, this is a win for fantasy football.

I can't ever remember a trade where everybody just unanimously celebrated.

Everybody's bags, everybody's bags just looks so much better.

I made so much hypothetical money today.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, Luther Burton, Coulson Loveland.

What is it?

Like, Josh Allen, everybody's like a cheddar.

Yeah, DJ Moore.

All of them are for sure.

This is so good for them.

Oh, come on, come on, come on.

Win, win, win, win, win, win.

And thank God, you know, I'm not one of those sad,

Khalil Shakira owner, right?

But that's like that.

Zero shares, oh, he cares.

He's like the only one here and Keon Coleman.

So, yeah, I'm with him.

Yeah, exactly.

So, I think it was the Antonio Banderis meme where he's looking at the screen.

Like, I literally did that today when that came across.

I just like looked back at, I was like, I did it in real life.

I did it in real life.

Incredible, incredible.

Yeah, it's very rare that the fantasy community unite in such a way.

Boys, there's often, you know, lots of vitriol out there.

The world, the world needed that.

We just need that.

And things like, oh, God, that's the best things I've heard in years.

Yeah, I think, I think my Dalton concave bags might even be happy, boys.

Like, I think this is kind of good.

This is good for him too.

So, he's fun.

Great moves all around.

Hashtag Travis will.

Travel is right.

Joe reminded me because I called this to play out.

Totally forgot about that, Joe.

So, I appreciate you reminding me that I should

to my own horn a little bit there.

Yeah.

And that's all we got for the player movement.

I think what this tells me is that, like,

it's exciting times in the NFL.

We're seeing more movement in parts of the season

where we didn't see as much movement.

We got free agency coming next week.

And so, there's only going to be more.

So, we are very excited about that.

And before we get in to all of our scouting combine takeaways,

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Just talked about some of the big player movement news in the NFL.

And we're going to move into our scouting combine takeaways.

Boys, this is an interesting class.

I think my biggest takeaway was just, it's a bit lackluster.

I have to be honest, boys.

I think I've, this is an interesting time of year

because you guys and you guys are a bit of a trigger

for me to start my process sometimes.

And Jack's, I think you actually started earlier than I've seen.

You start this year on your rookie process.

I think you were you were at it in like the NFL playoffs this year.

So hats off to you, although I cannot do that.

It is fun to get some of those early pieces of information from you.

And then when we start doing this is kind of when my process starts.

And so the combines, when it heats up,

I've done most of my work on the wide receivers yet.

But what I'm seeing from the quarterback and running back classes

is that like both of them are sort of one horse races.

You know, there's like one guy at the top

that we're looking at Fernando Mendoza at quarterback

because he's probably going to be taken at the number one overall

picked by Joe's rate is.

And then Jeremiah love at running back.

And so just thinking about the class overall,

I think that it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in drafts

and we'll probably talk about that as we roll boys.

Why don't we talk a little bit about Mendoza there

because he is projected as that number one

pick to the Raiders showed that he has some dog in them

in that national championship game.

We'll figure out at a later date where he ranks on the Lumen scale boys.

We'll talk about that at a later date.

We need to see a little bit more from him.

But he he weighed in like he had a literal dog in him.

Yes, yeah, 236 pounds, I think, jacks,

which I would never have guessed that by watching him play.

I would have given him 220 tops.

220.

Yeah, look like a bit of a beanpole.

Yeah, an extra little golden doodle inside of him or something.

Yeah, he's got a dog in him, for sure.

No question.

And so I guess maybe Joe, let's talk to you about what you think about Mendoza

and how you feel as the guy who's probably going to have him come in

as your franchise quarterback.

I recommend just for the record.

I recommend shitting all over the pick, saying you hate him,

work perfectly for me with Drake May.

So I'm just going to tell you, just say it's awful.

He's a terrible player.

It's going to feel that much better because you can win either way.

So anyway, go ahead.

That's really good advice.

I will say throughout of the season, I did.

I did.

I hated him.

Hate him.

Yeah, the interview is just like so wholesome to the point of cringe.

It's a little corny, right?

But you know, I've seen the light in that,

but I kind of accepted him as, dude, our savior.

He's way likeable now.

Like he's like, he's he went around the bell curve onto the other side.

I'm like, I love this.

I was like, I was like, you know what?

I think it's just him.

I think it's just him.

No, what's really sold me is, I'm convinced that he's an absolute nerd.

And if we did not go get Clint Kubiak as our head coach,

I'd probably be just very, very nervous and very, very concerned about this big.

But I'm like, all right, that actually feels like a good scheme fit too.

So I don't know, like, I'm cautiously after them.

We're talking about trading Crosby and probably getting a couple of firsts for him.

It's like, can we fix the O-line and like, I don't know, be fun again?

I'm optimistic for the first time in a long time, guys.

For the first time in a long time.

So I don't know, that's probably dangerous ground.

But I feel very dangerous ground.

I'm pretty realistic about my team.

I haven't really believed in them for since since car was our quarterback.

Since the aforementioned car broke his leg.

I stopped believing in this team, right?

So I don't know, I don't know.

I'm too close to this.

I'm too close to this.

I think you don't take your, no, I agree.

When I'm too close to it, that's why I got nervous.

I was like, oh my god, we couldn't depict the best play.

Like, this is bad.

And, you know, there were some red flags with Drake May, like,

I mean, let's face it, you know, if you modeled,

he was a little bit, if he, if you watched film,

he looked a little erratic and a little skittish,

which he didn't really do until the Super Bowl.

Sorry about that, boys.

But I think he was also hurt in the Super Bowl.

You had a couple of, not to get on Drake May,

but you had a couple of sound bites asking if he was going to continue.

Are you sure you want to continue?

They don't say that's a normal football players in the Super Bowl.

Obviously it was hurt, but nonetheless,

same thing with Fernando Mendoza is like,

if you're the Raiders, you're like, I mean, a Raider fan.

You're like, is he going to be good?

I hope so, but you can't say he's going to be.

I think he's going to be fine.

I really do.

And I think the scheme is a great spot for him.

I'm starting to warm.

I was thinking early in the process

that I would have zero shares of this guy.

And now I'm like, you know what?

I think if, especially at the 105,

like, when that, when he falls there,

of course, I'll gladly press the button.

It's going to be a more interesting question

as we go along as to whether or not you take him over any

or all of the wide receivers.

I don't think we're taking him above Jeremiah Love.

Jeremiah Love's too clear of a hit prospect.

And we covered this, you know, JJ Zachary,

when I was on his show, he did a great job

of sort of leveling that.

I agreed with everything he had to say on that,

which is that it's just too clear

that Jeremiah Love's going to hit.

So why take a risk at any other position

when you know you have got found money at 101?

That being said, I think Fernando Mendoza is,

like you say, he's kind of a nerd, a football nerd.

And we'll do everything in his power to win football games

even if it means not getting laid.

Yeah, that's where he sold me when he said,

like, I don't have time for a girlfriend.

I was like, oh, man.

That's committed.

I like virgins like that.

That's great.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure about going to Vegas

for a firm man.

I can just do it on the quick.

You know, just use a little extra

that signing bonus. He'll be good.

Yeah, poor kids going to be a little tainted

after a couple of seasons in city, potentially.

Taint, you don't even know.

Yeah.

But that being said, yeah, anywhere from 102 to 105 is fine.

Yeah, I'm in that position in a couple of leagues.

I'm sitting at the 102 and I'm like,

ah, there's somebody we're going to talk about later

who I probably should be picking.

But I'm like, my quarterback situation is sketchy enough

where I may have to just take this shot.

I think, yeah, you're right.

It's tough because if we look back on like cam ward

and you look back on some of these picks, like, you know,

it's not like cam ward is worth a high first round

picked to many dynasty managers right now.

But a lot of the players you picked

instead of him might be.

You know, so it's a tough, it's a tough spot.

But the photographs are so valuable.

Yeah, if not as much about that as much as it's about

in my mind that none of these other prospects

at any other positions outside of love

are like, you must take this guy, right?

If it is due to an absence of like no doubters in this class,

it's like, oh shoot, I think I'm going,

you know, this is one of those situations where it's like,

all right, if you need a quarterback anywhere in that range

is okay to take him.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah.

I think the no doubter is probably that for Nando Mendoza

gets like five years as a started quarterback in the NFL.

And that's a pretty good no doubter to bank on

in a super flex league.

Like, we don't know what the upside is going to be yet.

But I think there are situations, boys,

where we're definitely going to be as draft season gets closer.

I think he's going to be more firmly closer to that 102

than you guys are saying.

Still early in my process, of course,

I think there's going to be situations where people take him

at the 101 node because if you think about that team,

it's not competing, right?

Taking that running back doesn't always help you

get into that competing position.

So if you can't trade that pick back,

which we would recommend that you do.

And even then, if you want to get Mendoza,

you don't want to go much further behind 102.

So it's going to be a little bit tricky.

You might be willing to take him with that 101

because you have that longevity of the quarterback

versus wasting the running backs prime

while you're still rebuilding your dynasty roster.

I actually thought about this exact point

because, you know, Jack's invited me to a league.

I adopted an orphan in one of his leagues.

And, you know, the big cell was you got the 101.

I was like, ah, you know, I don't have anyone to one.

So I want this 101.

I'm going to go, I'm going to take it.

Right then, look at the team.

Like, oh, this is not a team where I take a running back

with the number one pick.

But then I was thinking about it.

I was like, all right, do I trade back

and just try and get Mendoza

because that team desperately needs another quarterback?

And the answer is no.

You still take love.

And you get three first round picks for love in a few months.

Right.

It's you still take love.

Yeah, you have to, you have to.

Yeah.

And I was going to just push back not a big deal.

But like, you know, you said five years.

There's no guarantee for five years.

But I will say, but I will say that as, as bad as a cam

word played, which some people will say

the underlying film was good.

But let's face it, he was non playable in fantasy

and they didn't win anything.

So I mean, how good exactly was he?

Not very.

And he's the locked in starter for the next year.

So he's getting year two with no challenge,

no challenge whatsoever.

I would imagine the same type of treatment

would be afforded to Fernando Mendoza.

So that's kind of the point is that you at least get

the start of year two.

And you know, I can tell you that Zach Wilson,

Kenny Pickett,

were sort of afforded very much the same thing.

And I can tell you in one instance,

I was unable to sell Zach Wilson appropriately.

And in another instance, I was very able to sell Kenny Pickett

for a future first.

And of course, that felt great because obviously Kenny Pickett

no longer worth a first news flash.

So, you know, when you, when you see that off ramp,

you do get the off ramp with the quarterbacks is kind of my point.

Even ones that aren't drafted at the 101 in real NFL.

So boys, if draft was yesterday

Fernando Mendoza went 101 to the Raiders.

Fernando Mendoza or Cam Warden Dynasty.

Mendoza.

Me too. Me too.

Yeah, I mean, we've seen Cam Ward not be that great

and there's still reason for hope.

But yeah, I mean, it's literally just anchoring

to a bad rookie season versus a clean slate, right?

That's right.

Jax, you just mentioned the term underlying film.

To me, that kind of means this happened very rarely.

You know what I mean?

Like that didn't happen in the office.

Watch the film.

It was a lot better than the numbers.

It's like, yeah, for three, for three or four.

I actually am a little bit optimistic about Cam Ward,

but yeah, sure.

It's just underlying film.

We need, we need overlying film.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Look at that.

It seems really good.

Yes.

We need to be lying everywhere.

Yeah, I'd rather have overlying film than underlying film.

Only one more quarterback I wanted to mention

because he's an athletic freak.

Tail in green.

I would have, I believe it was Arcanzus boys.

Arcanzus.

Yep.

43640.

I think he tied RG3 for the best 40

of any quarterback of all time, I believe.

This is, I'm saying that we're not

calling this a Jalen Milrose situation right now.

Right, boys?

What do you mean by that?

Where we're, even if he comes in as like a fifth round pick

or something like that, where we might,

like we were a little bit bullish on Jalen Milrose last year, right?

I don't think we would probably be the same way on tailing green

even if he's like a fifth or six round pick, right?

It depends on the quarterback in front of him.

The reason we were on Milrose because of the doubts

we had about Darnell hanging out to that job.

Well, they go all over our face.

He's now a super cool champion.

But the process is correct, right?

So if he goes and is behind a great quarterback,

then yeah, we're, we're disinterested.

But if they, it's very questionable in front of him,

then yeah, I mean, maybe a second,

late second round dice roll like Milrose was.

He kind of has a weird sort of secondary out too,

which is at another position potentially,

which is not really an out because it's not likely

that he's good enough to matter at whatever position

they move him to, wide receiver running back or tight end or whatever.

So I would say he probably has his best actual upside

as a tight end, which is fucking crazy to think.

Well, he probably does.

What is he like, six, six?

Like, yeah, dude, he could, he could be any position.

He's dope.

And if you think about it,

he probably is every bit the prospect

that Anthony Richardson was.

If you really think about it.

I mean, probably true.

Like, well, no, but think about it.

Anthony Richardson was a athletic freak with some issues.

Yeah, what's so different about what I just explained

in the Taylor Greek?

I mean, yes.

And none of that.

I mean, we saw Justin, yeah,

obviously Justin Fields had a much better college resume.

Yeah.

But we saw him be a QB1.

We saw Terrell Pryor come in,

get valuable starts as a quarterback

and then turn into to your point,

thousand yard receiver.

I think all these guys had way more pedigree coming out

with those.

Absolutely.

Like, this guy's, this guy's going to be just a 40 time.

I think those guys were a little bit more than that.

I would probably say totally,

you're totally right.

By the way, you're totally right about that.

But we don't know how good he is, right?

Like, maybe he just sort of gets that fourth, fifth round capital

and then all of a sudden, I mean,

look at even Joe Milton to some degree was like,

he might be actually good.

Like, we made fun of Milton and we were like,

me personally, I was like,

Joe Milton's not in the NFL quarterback.

He's not in the NFL prospect.

He's not good enough to add to that completion percentage.

Turns out, he played pretty good

in a few little stint spots

both for the Patriots and the Cowboys.

He may actually be a top 30 or 40 quarterback in the world.

Like, it's possible.

You know, Taylor and Green could be a top

150 quarterback in the world and he's a bum.

You know what I mean?

So it's kind of crazy.

It's like, you know, you're almost,

how good is he?

I don't know.

You know, how good could he get?

You know, these guys have to improve.

I mean, we talked about Jackson Dart,

all these players that Fernando Mendoza is another one

who improve every single year.

You never really know until you put these guys

in these situations with their pot.

Another one, Malik Willis.

You know, who we thought was pretty much a liability

as a passer was kind of dope as a passer

over the last two years in spot starts.

Yeah, you're getting first round

picked from Malik Willis now.

So yeah, just never know.

It's not to say that we think he's Malik Willis

or we think he's Anthony Richardson

or we think he's Justin Fields

or we think he's Jalen Milro.

He's one of those guys.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

With less practice with your point.

Yeah, it's a process play.

Okay, boys, let's move on to these running backs

because we talked about it.

It is a top heavy class.

I think in terms of the combine,

not very many guys did all the cool shit

as far as workouts.

We had some, but not too too many.

Jeremiah Love definitely proved that he is a wagon.

And I think it's dope that he tested

because he of all of these running backs

didn't have to at all.

I don't think because he's so far

and wide ahead of the pack.

But he wanted to show what he had.

And I think it was a 436 that he ran.

And I don't think there's too many notes

that we need to have on Jeremiah Love.

At this point, boys, he seems like the wagon

that he has been advertised as.

And I'm happy to move forward as such, boys.

Same as you.

Yeah, dude.

This guy's awesome.

I mean, he really is awesome.

I'm a little annoyed.

We didn't get a burst score out of him

because then do a vertical.

Right.

He did a, you know, 120.

Oh, excuse me.

He didn't do a broad jump either.

So, yeah, but the 117 speed score

plus his production profiles,

all we need anything over 110 is fantastic.

Yeah, that's awesome.

He's awesome.

So behind him at running back, guys,

like I said at the top of the show,

I've been or at the top of the segment.

I've been kind of working through

these wide receivers a little bit more.

So I don't know too much on the depth

of the running back class.

But Joe, I know you like to get

into those combine numbers.

Like I said,

Jackson, you started early this season.

Joe, maybe we'll start with you.

What did you notice from the combine

specifically, anything that popped out for you?

I mean, there's just a couple,

one, how many dudes just didn't test

is really annoying.

Joe and a Coleman,

I needed to see something from him, right?

He had a chance to be the RB2 in the class

and he kind of no showed

at the combine in terms of testing.

So we'll see what happens at his pro day,

but, you know, how those go.

It's like, how much do we trust this?

Ketron Allen, same story.

I'm just like really, really annoyed

by a bunch of these dudes.

Then a guy I do like

that we were talking about earlier

from a profile standpoint is one Mr. Emmett Johnson.

And, you know, he could say his profile is robust.

So he is all of 202 pounds.

Yeah.

All of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, and he runs a 456, which is no slouch.

But at that weight, you know,

it puts him under a, you know,

under a 95 speed score, 93 speed score.

You know, his birth score.

We don't have that because he did not do a vertical.

So I don't know, man, like,

I really, really, really want to like Emmett Johnson

and I like his receiving and everything.

But the test thing is not great.

And you may have seen this floating around Twitter,

the photo of him with his shirt off,

which kind of looks like me with my shirt off.

He's got a serious gut on him.

I don't know, boys.

I think the NFL dream might not be dead for the three of us.

I was going to say, it actually kind of makes me like him more.

I'm probably

going to find some second round picks on Emmett Johnson.

Who are we kidding?

Yeah. I mean, you know, you look at Emmett Johnson.

I was dubious on his profile to begin with.

You know, it doesn't really strike me as a,

as the type of running back we would be.

Look, look, we, guys, we did this all last year.

We were talking about running backs like Bay shell Tutan

and Cam Skatabo and, you know, DJ Giddens and all these guys.

And I feel like he's just another one of those guys

at best and not even one of the better ones.

He certainly would, like, would any of these running backs

have elevated above where we thought Bay shell Tutan

and Cam Skatabo were?

No, no, no, no.

Right? I mean, so we were drafting those guys in the mid-second.

Like literally early-second, if you were reaching mid-second,

if you were taking him at value, late-second, if they fell.

I can tell you, I've got a couple of, you know,

Bay shell Tutan late-seconds.

And again, you know, he didn't do anything really in his first year,

but now we've got to, anyway.

I don't think that I would take any of these guys,

any of the other running backs ahead of him,

including even Mike Washington, excuse me.

Mike Washington, who ran a 433 at 223 pounds,

a 126 speed score, look, that's all well and good.

I think that puts him in the, maybe in the Bay shell Tutan area,

because that's kind of what Bay shell Tutan was.

He was a somewhat underperforming, you know,

college player who ran really fast,

but I thought his profile overall is probably better

than Mike Washington's anyhow.

So, like, you know, I think one of these running backs,

I've said it on JJ's show, I'll say it again,

whoever the running back to is,

out of all these guys, I'm not drafting that guy.

I don't even care who it is.

I just want to take these guys when they're there at the late-second.

That's what I'm going to be pushing the button for these running backs,

which everyone ends up sort of falling to that spot.

You know, I'm really, I think a lot more will still change

as it does during the draft.

I think people are making combined responses to the class saying,

like Mike Washington is the new RB2.

It's like, really?

Just because he ran, like,

everything else is out the window, just the speed score,

puts him, you know, at RB2.

I mean, that's a thin line to take to put a guy at RB2.

You know, Jeremiah Love is a clear elite back.

Everybody else is sort of an also ran.

And I think when you look at all these guys,

I'm just looking to take him at value because nobody,

first of all, do you see Jonah Coleman was 5, 8, 220?

His BMI is 33 and a half.

He looked very round.

We want to talk about, you know,

Emmett Johnson having a, excuse me, a beer belly.

Jonah Coleman had a, he is a beer.

I mean, he's a keg himself.

He's a keg, yeah.

You know, he didn't run, which leads me to believe

that he doesn't think he's going to be fast.

He also was, you know, a career, Jonah Coleman's career,

five and a half yards per carry, not bad.

I mean, he wasn't very good in this final season.

I don't know, man.

I, you know, I've got some, some reservations

on every single last one of these running backs

and none of them feel like first round picks

in the NFL or in my rookie draft.

So here's, you know, I'll pour one out

for the rest of the class here.

There you go.

There you go. It is.

So, Jack, I heard you say, I've heard Cody Carpentier say,

you know, there's no tier two, but I'll go a step further.

There's no tier three none of these guys, none of these guys

would make it to my tier three of last year's class, right?

So I was talking to Travis about it before the show,

while we were waiting for you to jump in.

Like the 2024 class was bad.

But it wasn't like this, right?

Like there was no Jeremiah love in that class, right?

We had, we had Blake Corum.

We had a Bucky Irving, who obviously turned into an RB1.

Like there were, there were dudes that I was interested in

in the late first and in the early second.

There were guys that I was taking.

But was that the Trey Benson?

Yeah, that was the Trey Benson and Jonathan Brooks.

Look, Jonathan Brooks and Trey Benson

are way better prospects.

I'm not saying that they're going to be better

than all these guys, because obviously neither of them

really panned out injury and Benson, whatever.

But, you know, they were better prospects at that time

than these guys are at this time.

Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying.

It's like there's no tier two, there's no tier three.

You're not taking a running back in the first round.

That's not named Jeremiah love.

You're just not doing it.

Just don't do it.

Yeah, like I'm kind of defaulting to my devi priors.

I was like, I don't know, like Nick Singleton.

We don't know because Brooks foot, but like,

that's still probably the most the most interesting guy.

I will just mention, you said Mike Washington,

we've been crappin' all over him on Twitter

because his production profile does not match the athleticism at all.

The athleticism is enough to get your attention.

And he is worth it at a certain point.

But somebody is going to overdraft them based on that athleticism.

I was going to mention Adam Randall broke 110 speed score.

He was at 113.

He weighs 232 pounds and he ran a four five.

And he's a former wide receiver.

Yeah, that in and of itself is interesting

and, you know, worth a dark girl later.

Yeah, I agree with you on Adam Randall.

I'll give you another name while we're here.

Seth McGowan, right?

So I looked at Seth McGowan.

I mean, the next thing I said, yeah.

Oh, it's great.

Look, we haven't even talked.

Seth McGowan is interesting because he checks a lot of boxes,

except for he's like a six or seventh year, 24-year-old,

like one year transfer.

And I'm like, dude, get me out of here.

I don't want anything to do with this guy.

And then I heard the story.

I don't know if you guys heard his story,

but he basically was, oh, where'd he go?

Old Miss or what?

I don't remember exactly.

He was recruited to a big school.

I'd have to pull up his first hand.

Oh, well, he went.

So he went, he's at three years, Oklahoma,

New Mexico state Kentucky was like.

But here's the thing, he took two or three years off

because he basically got arrested.

Because he were, they were like stealing.

And like he was part of a group of guys that were stealing,

you know, you know, so they did, they get in trouble, right?

And so then he's literally on the couch, you know,

he's got nothing and he's like scrolling through his phone,

like reaching out to people that, you know,

recruited him.

One guy that really liked him, talked to him,

and he didn't have any spot forms.

So he, but he referred him to, like he literally got very lucky

to get back into college football.

And then perform pretty well.

And then he's six foot, 223, perfect size, 30 BMI,

runs a 449 that 110 speed score we're looking for.

Like kind of has a little bit of a profile here.

Like there's some things to like.

I'm not saying that I'm ready to steam them all the way up.

And I am saying that circumstance put him where he is.

And who knows what, you know, makes of that.

I think because of those red flags,

he's going to go late in the draft.

And I think that's going to, you know, shelter him

from having a high AVP and our rookie drafts.

I think I'm going to be able to get these guys

in like the fourth referendum.

And who knows?

And you actually buried the lead.

The thing coming off the combine,

I'm most interested in is his burst score, right?

That is, you know, calculation you based on their vertical

and their broad jump.

Yeah, 137.75 is his burst score.

Just to put that into context, you know,

Mike Washington who weighs 223, he was at 130.

And everyone's drooling over Mike Washington.

Like Seth MacGowan beat that.

Anything over 130 is ridiculous, right?

So like that's, that's a super athlete.

And then like when you get to the 110 speed score,

we're really cooking with gas.

So he checks both those boxes.

But without any of the steam that Mike Washington's getting,

like this is someone I'm going to want in the fourth round.

Uh, we'll see what ends up happening.

And you know, the age is a concern.

How old is he?

He's, he's like 24.

No, we've done worse.

We've done worse.

Yeah.

I mean, so, you know, look, he's, he's not a great,

look, the whole point is he's not a great prospect.

But he could potentially be great.

Like, you know, even like yards per out run,

he's got a career 1.56 yards per out run.

That's at, you know, all three schools.

Oklahoma, you know, in 2020 in Oklahoma,

you know, I mean, 370 rushing yards,

6.4 yards of carry.

Like, he was okay, you know?

So coming all the way back out of 21, 22 and 23,

New Mexico state for a year.

And then was, was kind of okay in Kentucky.

I mean, he 4.4 yards per carry is not great.

As yards created, um, you know, not great.

So he wasn't really all that good this past year.

He was much better at New Mexico state.

Um, and actually better at Oklahoma in his first year.

Sort of on a per touch basis.

Yeah.

But look, you know, everybody has up and down years.

I, again, I don't think he's an exceptional prospect

or anything like that.

But good enough to sort of keep an eye on.

And again, when we're drafting late and drafts,

what are we drafting?

We're drafting running bets.

And he's the perfect kind of guy.

Not only that, but in a year where there's none

of these production profiles outside of love

really gets a super excited.

We need something to anchor to.

And athleticism is going to be that thing.

And that's what's, you know, that's what's going to push

Mike Washington to the RB 2 in some of these drafts.

But for sure for, but, you know, probably erroneously

and he's probably going to get overdrafted.

Seth McGowan is a similar bet to Mike Washington,

who's also, I want to say, 24 are 23.

It's a similar bet, but at the right price, right?

So we're going to anchor to the athleticism

at the appropriate price in the absence

of the production profiles that we want to see.

We're going to be firing on wide receivers

and a couple tight ends early.

Yeah.

And it'll be curious to see how, you know,

the lack of depth of talent is going to impact

how some of these guys might get drafted

or might get not drafted, you know what I mean?

Because it's interesting last year was a good class.

And a lot of these guys got pushed back

because there was so many of them.

I don't think NFL teams are going to be reaching

on these guys knowing that they're not good,

but it's like, dude, less of them get drafted.

So that'll be an interesting impact too.

Yeah, you know, I was, I heard, I heard Dwayne McFarlane

referencing this and I didn't, I've done that.

You got, well, I sent you my spreadsheets

and all my little research.

I heard him talking about 15 yard run rate

and 10 yard run rate.

I don't remember which one he was referencing

with some of these prospects, but when you compare them,

like I did the anatomy and I compare the class

to the anatomy group, which the anatomy group is basically

just the sort of top 15 running backs in dynasty.

Well, those top 15 running backs

are coming from all over the place.

Some of them are buckierving draft than the fourth round.

Some of them are Christian McAfry, whatever the case, right?

But they are all sort of the highly valued running backs

from various, quote unquote, back rounds.

Well, if you look at like 10 yard run rate,

like literally none of them

have below a 14% career 10 yard run rate for their career.

Like none of them, most of them are above

and college, and college, correct.

And then, and then none of them have below like a,

really below an eight yard career 15 yard career run rate, right?

So like you look at those numbers.

So it's like an eight percent, 15 and eight, right?

Exactly.

You look at this class, like Mike Washington six,

McGowan six, you know, like Adam Randall five.

There's so many of these prospects.

Really only two prospects have a 15 yard run rate career.

That's any good?

That's price in Jonah.

I mean, excuse me, a Jeremiah love.

And so like when you look at just some of these metrics,

they're just one little metric.

But you kind of realize, maybe these aren't the type of prospects

that I think they are.

You know what I mean?

They're the guys available.

So we tend to put them at the quote unquote,

RB2 chair, but they're not really.

They're there, there's something else.

They're further down the list.

And I think that's the thing to sort of put them in context.

And you know, the listeners don't always want to hear that

because they want to hear,

no, this guy's going to be awesome.

Mike Washington's going to be awesome.

And it's like, maybe, but probably not.

I'm actually really glad you brought that particular metric up

because I was looking at the same thing.

And there's a name from Navy.

I don't know anything about this guy.

I suspect that he carries a lunchpale.

He does.

Eli Hyden, Rick Hyden, Rick Hyden, Rick Hyden, Reich.

You used to be a fun fact.

You used to be a WWE wrestler who went by Hyden, Reich.

Wonder if there's any relationship.

Oh, man, I hope so.

I bet you there is.

I'm going to get to the bottom of this immediately.

He's breaking all sorts of lunchpale.

He's breaking all sorts of models,

including the Lumen scale model.

But yes, he does, man.

His average, what was it?

His average yard's precarious 6.8 for his career.

His average yard's perception is 18.3.

These don't even fit on the scale.

These are off the scale.

So I know there's some gimmicky stuff there,

but bless your soul.

He has been very, very good.

Not only that, all right.

You mentioned 15 yard run rate.

He's at 10.7.

So, you know, he checks that box.

Then 10 yard run rate, he's at 19.5.

Of course, correct.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Best of a class.

So, okay, I'm interested in his receptions.

Best season.

51.

All right.

I don't know who this guy is.

I don't know anything about him.

But these numbers are getting me pretty interested.

Then he weighs in at, you know, 198 pounds.

So just shy that 200 pound mark at six feet.

So as BMI is going to be a question.

But Speed Score 101 passes the threshold.

And Berscore 120 passes the threshold.

So with the receiving profile.

With the...

He's having a wide receiver, Joe.

Okay.

All right.

He's going to be a small wide receiver.

I do, but here's the thing.

He has utility in the run game, obviously.

Like, he's a football player.

Like, just put it in quotes football player.

Hashtag football player.

And you're right.

Is he going to be every down, grind it out, running back?

No.

But can he be a past game weapon from wherever he is?

Like, you want to run five wide?

Yeah.

You want to run, you know, him in the back field.

You can do a lot of different things with this kid.

And I do think he's going to get drafted.

And, you know, this is one of those classic.

I'd love to see him land with Bella check moments.

I was going to say he feels like a patriot.

Just knowing what I know about him, which is very little.

He, he, he, he, he, he, he, like, billbell check.

This is his favorite part of the Patriot.

Yeah.

Yes.

Well, you can't have him come in for

Efton Chisim's spot now, though.

I mean, easy with that.

I think he need out of Efton Chisim's lunchpale

from what I'm seeing on the numbers here.

I agree.

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All right, it's time to dip our toes

into the wide receiver class, boys.

This is where some of the depth lies.

I would say, though, like I, you know,

the depth isn't crazy this year.

I think we're going to have to find some of those diamonds

in the rough as we like to do here at OTC Fancy.

But a guy who right now is sitting as my wide receiver one

didn't work out, weighed in, but I think more so than anything,

we've got to do a little bit of a weirdo check

on Makai Lemon, boys.

I said he measured in 511-192, didn't do the workouts,

but did have the interesting, interesting vibe

on in his interview now.

I don't necessarily know the context,

but I did see something where someone was saying

the question he was asked previous to that was a little bit,

had some underlying meaning or something

that he might not like.

I don't know what that was, though,

so I can't speak to it.

What did you guys make of the kind of weird body language

and responses we had from Makai Lemon?

Listen to me.

This guy has alpha wide receiver one written all over him.

We've said this on this program many times.

I want my wide receivers to be a little crazy.

All right, I like the head movements.

I don't know what the fuck keep this dude's thinking

and that's exactly what I want.

All right, give me all the Makai Lemon.

If people are bailing on Makai Lemon

because they think he's a weirdo

and ignoring the rest,

like they're missing the whole point.

They're missing the whole point.

What it takes to be a wide receiver in the NFL.

This dude has it.

He's dripping.

He's dripping alpha.

So I'm in.

I couldn't ever be more in

and I couldn't be happier that people are out

because of some weird interviews and head movements.

Like that's his swag.

And I appreciate it.

I love it.

Give me.

It's going to continue, too,

because I don't think he's going to be the first drafted

out of Tyson Tate.

I think it's going to be the third drafted.

I think that's going to give him a bit of a 105, 104, 105, 80P.

So I think if you have Makai Lemon

as your wide receiver won

and you're drafting the top five,

you'll be able to get him more than you want, so to speak, right?

You'll be able to get him as much as you want.

And I'm okay with letting Tate or Tyson slip to me,

but I think I do prefer lemon.

I probably won't pay very often to move up

because I'll just take what falls to me.

But I think there's going to be a lot of dynasty gamers

who are going to take Tate and Tyson

ahead of Makai Lemon.

So yeah, I think we're kind of leaning Makai Lemon

wide receiver one.

I think we feel that way.

His profile feels the strongest in so many different areas.

Like, you know, even Miss Tackle's Force,

he's basically second to, you know,

my favorite player in this draft.

You know, Omar Cooper.

But, you know, so I do think like almost no matter

how you sort of slice him, the only thing

that you could probably say is yeah, he's a little weird

and he plays a lot of slot.

That sounds like a fun time to me.

Yeah, exactly.

We talked about this in our last episode or two episodes ago,

right, the, you know, we're so scared.

We're scared of guys that profile as slot receivers in the NFL

because there are other dudes that can just do that better, right?

Right.

This is a guy that, oh my God, I did it.

I did it.

This is a guy.

He drank.

Oh, it's the new season has begun.

This is the guy right here.

He profiles as the power slot that we want.

3.02 yards per out run for his career.

This is not some of that season's smoking mirrors.

This is for his career.

27.71% targets per out run for his career,

flying colors on two of the more important metrics.

And oh, by the way, he likes the block.

So he's going to get on the field.

I don't know, I just, I don't care if he's aware of it.

I don't care.

I'm super interested.

I like that more.

Yeah, we love the Puka Nakuya stat where he is number one

in career first downs per out run at basically 0.13.

Yeah, it's just everywhere you look, he analytically says,

draft me first.

That's why it's colored.

Yeah, and to me, the 5.11192 was like, OK, that's fine.

I didn't want to see 5.10185 or whatever.

I was like, you know, it's like, we'd love to see 6 foot 200.

That's what we want to see.

Guess who that is?

That's Omar Cooper, by the way.

But we wanted to see that.

But 5.11192, hey, we knew he was a little bit smaller.

It's fine.

He's a dog.

He's got, he really is, man.

I mean, everybody who you hear, you know, say who's

watched him play is very, you know, he's just a, he's

ripping fools up.

And that shows up in his run after catch.

That shows up in his mistackles forest off the charts

on all of it.

So it's really, really great.

Not only that, like, because he's a little bit

undersized, you definitely need him to be a little crazy.

I just can't explain to people enough how this is actually

a good signal.

Right?

It is.

It is.

Yep.

If he was like nice and oaky doke, I'd be terrified.

Yeah.

Like Fernando, Fernando Mendoza was a wide receiver, never.

I don't even look at that guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I like that.

And I think this, this kind of weirdo stuff is kind of

exactly what we needed for us who are thinking of him as the

wide receiver one in a fairly closely bunch, top three.

This is kind of the separator that can get us that little bit

of a discount, like you mentioned, the jacks.

And I think, you know, some of that sentiment for me was coming

from some a little bit of previous steam on one carnal

tape before the combine.

He people were kind of hyping him up.

And I like Ohio State.

And so I keep an eye here and there when I can.

And it was like in what I saw looked into the data profile.

I have some concerns, boys.

But maybe we saved that for a different conversation or after.

What did you think of his combine and the 40 time at his size

and what he was able to put to get to me?

That's the nothing burger, right?

So like people might fade him.

I don't actually think people are going to fade him because of

the 40 time.

I think enough people are saying that it doesn't matter that they

now know it doesn't matter.

What they're failing to mention is that there are other things

on his profile that do matter that are more alarming to me.

And I have to say that I do sometimes give credence to two

things.

Number one is sort of the we've said it before the NFL

Intelligencia, you know, the fact that everybody thinks he's

awesome.

He's probably awesome.

The fact that he was like the most efficient wide receiver in

college football this past year probably means he's awesome.

So he's probably awesome.

Some of the underlying metrics that we look at that go into the

model that going to really anybody who's trying to predict who's

going to be a good wide receiver.

Those are a little bit scary.

We probably give him a little bit of a break for that because

he played with other awesome players.

Jeremiah Smith, Mecca Buka, Marvin Harrison Jr, etc, etc.

All these great guys.

But as I mentioned before, those guys also played with those

other guys and they didn't have numbers this this ugly.

Marvin Harrison Jr, Mecca Buka, JSN, Jeremiah Smith,

all these guys had better underlying stats than carnal

tape.

So for that reason, I'm a little bit tepid, but I can't

discount them all together because he looks really awesome.

Same thing.

Yeah, the the thing like the criticism of

Big Buka last year was, you know, he was always second fiddle.

Right?

Yeah.

Carnal tape was always third fiddle until

last year.

Right.

Like I'm interested.

I think he's definitely belongs in the top three.

And I think he's kind of like, you know,

discount or team.

Let's let's call him team Ueg Buka.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, like we were getting a Buka late in the first round,

mid late first round where Pate's going to go early in the

first round, but that's a reflection of the class.

If you have to just sit down and rank these guys.

So we have to unanker from where we think they should be

valued and just yeah, and adjust to what this class is.

And I think that's probably appropriate.

I think I'm taking them third of the big three wide receivers,

though, for everything you just mentioned.

I mean, he didn't earn targets at the rate we want.

And granted, you can excuse that away.

But he just didn't, right?

He was 18.42 is first year, 17.45.

Tarsborough run his second year.

And then finally, last year, it was 22.76.

Like, okay, so career 19.49.

Just shy of threshold we want.

But it still means something.

Even if you've got a bunch of dope teammates.

Yep.

Because what you said, right?

The other guys did it.

That's right.

They did it.

That's right.

I think my concern is the archetype and how that works

within today's NFL.

Because to me, like, as I'm looking through him,

I'm liking what I'm seeing, right?

I enjoy the some of the stuff that I saw.

I believe in the player, you know.

But then I think about he's kind of the type of receiver we've

been telling people to shy away from a little bit.

He was around around a 90% wide, wide receiver over his college

career, not just last season.

And that's not the guy who we've been targeting.

And so I'm worried that he's a bit of a deep merchant X

receiver.

Sacrificial X.

Yeah.

Kind of.

Yeah.

And like, might still get some targets.

But we don't necessarily know what quality those targets are

going to be, how consistent that's going to be versus these

guys who take these over the middle and short targets.

And so I'm just a little bit worried about that.

Like over 50% of his yardage last year in his big season

was on deep targets.

And so a little bit of a correlation there with the uptick.

Yeah.

And then I and Traff to your point, every time we have these guys, whether

they're not as good a prospect, like a key on Coleman or players of that

ilk, or they're better.

Like Roma Dunze and Marvin Harrison, Jr.

feels like all of these types of prototypes

tend to let us down a bit.

The only one who really returned value was recently

was Brian Thomas Jr.

And he certainly let us down in year two.

So yeah, the jury is out on the prototype, right?

And so I think there's something to be said there that they're more valuable.

I've said this time and time again, that they're more valuable to a

real NFL team than they are to us on our fantasy team,

which brings me to, and if you want to stop me from going here,

I got to go to Omar Cooper, who is number one in the class

in Miss Tackle's Force Per Reception.

So he is, I mean, look, I don't,

I didn't comp Malachi Corley to Debo Samuel.

I am kind of comfortable comping Omar Cooper to Debo in some ways.

I mean, it's a tired trope, but I don't do it.

I'm doing it here.

This is the guy.

He actually has a really robust profile.

He's a touchdown scorer.

He's one of the best in the class in terms of quarterback rating when targeted.

He was early in his career.

He was a downfield player.

His career eight out is 12.5, which is right there with Carl Tate at 12.9.

In his final season, it was 97 when they were trying to force feed him

targets, because they realized how good he was.

And then he could just break tackles and make a play,

even with a shorter eight out.

He's just really, really good.

I don't know how high I'm willing to take, excuse me, Omar Cooper,

but I don't think I'm going to have to worry about it.

As I think he's going to be available every single time at 107, 106, 107, 108.

I think he's going to be there every time.

I think there's going to be a lot of, first of all,

I don't think he's cracking the top five in hindsight.

When we look back on this class, there's probably going to be someone,

whether it's a KC conception or an Omar Cooper type,

who actually is the, quote, unquote, RB two or three of, excuse me,

why do you see for two or three of this class in hindsight, looking back at it?

And it's probably not going to be the three that we think they are.

It's going to be some other order.

I think Omar Cooper is the type of player that I'd be betting could be that guy.

So why are you comping him to Debo Sanja just the tackle breaking, right?

Because size-wise, they're not similar.

So you're talking about when they came out.

Yeah, I mean, Debo when he came out was like 212, he's 200.

So I mean, it's a little, he's a little lighter.

But I also wonder if he was a little lighter at the combo.

Like, when you watch him play, he's got those ass legs,

you know, that we talk about the ass mass, the cloning that I asked.

So, you know, he's, they're about the same height.

He weighed in at 1.99 at the combo, which,

I don't, you don't have to look back at Debo.

I think he was 210, 212 maybe, but he wasn't 220 like he is now or whatever,

you know, he's probably 225, 230 now.

He's got a couple of, he's burger scents for sure.

He's got a couple dogs in him too, right?

But, you know, but I think coming out, Debo was that type of player,

or he was just a tackle breaker.

But he was, he could do a lot of different things as well.

Like, he was probably a little more limited than Omar Cooper is,

actually, as a downfield player, but they're close enough.

You know, they, they did have requisite A dot,

unlike a lot of the players that got comped to him,

like a Malachi Corley.

Not only that, like Omar Cooper, listen, I,

I look at the profile and I see why you like him, right?

I mean, his A dot, you just touched on A dot, right?

15.116, then it dropped to 9.7.

It's all kind of in the splash zone, which we like are.

Maybe a little bit above in year two, but it's fine.

That's, that's the range.

And then when you look at his yards for our run and target for our run,

check, check, check every single year.

Every is an early declare.

That's rare.

The, the hitting every threshold we like on just those three categories,

every single year is rare.

Plus early declare, you know, breakout, hard to say, early breakout,

I need to go look, I haven't done a dominator, of course,

yet or anything yet.

I need to calculate those still.

But I see enough to like there.

And I think he's definitely.

In the six, seven, eight range, like how I added eight,

there's nobody did the thing.

So, yeah, I'm, I'm very, very interested.

And I can't wait to watch the film on this guy.

And you mentioned Casey Concepts, he owned Jackson.

I will absolutely fumble that name.

Probably more than once over this off season.

But he's a guy when I was looking like if we could just throw

his second year, he might have my favorite data profile

in the entire class, boys.

Yes.

Granted, that would be a two year sample.

And obviously you can't just throw an entire season.

But I always wonder with those, like what was the context going on around the team?

I'm not as plugged into like the college football scene.

So I don't know if there was anything going on with the teams there.

And then he moved to Texas A&M after that season and had his best season.

I'm pretty intrigued.

Plays a little bit inside outside, gets those yards after the catch.

Jackson, you're nodding your head.

So it seems like you are inagreance that we might be targeting him.

Like you'll be talking, we'll probably be in first rounds.

We're probably talking first round with the rest of this class.

But more so back, do you think?

Look, I think he's in play for the 106, right?

I mean, somebody's got to be there.

And right now it's like conception, Cooper, who else?

I mean, you know, you could talk about tight ends.

We can go there real quick.

But my point is, I think he's there.

I think he's that type of player.

Right.

Okay.

That's good.

How about you, Joe?

Well, you know,

Travis, you brought up the most interesting thing to me

when we were talking about him.

Sort of pre-show, which is the way his slot rate went down every year.

At NC State, he was primarily a slot guy, 92% in his first year,

and 82% in his second year.

And then at Texas A&M last year,

he was at 34%, right?

So he moved outside.

So this is the inside out thing you were talking about.

And that's got my attention.

In addition to the yak per reception,

always being above that, you know,

five yard threshold that we like to see, right?

Similar, I mean, McIleman was way above it.

But yeah, so he's got the yak.

He's got a progression to an outside receiver.

So he's not going to be pigeonholed.

And yeah, I mean, the early breakout is phenomenal.

10 touchdowns and 845 yards as a freshman.

That's always going to get our attention.

Yep, absolutely.

That's the thing with that, you know,

conception has over Cooper is early college production.

You know, Cooper, yeah, I erroneously mentioned that he's early to clear, he's not.

But, you know, he only had, you know,

really 200 yards by his sophomore season,

which is not good enough.

Whereas conception came out of the box.

845 as a freshman and 10 touchdowns.

You're absolutely right.

Yeah, yeah.

I think they're both, again, you know,

I think if we were grading on a curve,

these guys are probably more like a little bit late first round.

You know, it's because of the running back, right?

Like if there were dope running backs,

and if you have Traveon and Quinchon,

Juggins and all these guys, right,

then what happens is that these guys get pushed to the one-two turn

where they feel way more tenable.

But because of the dearth of other players,

no quarterbacks, like there's nothing.

There's nothing to push.

These guys down to us at the one-two turn.

We're going to have to consider them in the mid first,

which is not optimal.

But look, one of these guys is probably going to be really good,

whether it's Cooper or Casey Concepcion

on their both pretty, pretty exciting profiles.

I think what this speaks to is maybe that

on-the-clock trade-outs might be the move this year, you know what I mean?

Like when we're coming up to that pick,

and if we know that there's guys in our league

that like these players maybe more than we like them,

trying to get yourself back into a 27 first,

like Jugg always preaches, of course.

Like there might be a situation where you might need to add

just because those other managers might see that a little bit though, right?

So depending on what the ad is,

I might still be into it just to be able to get better value on the pick next year.

And the closer you get to on the clock though, you make it.

You're saying it, man.

Look, when you're on the clock, it's going to be a different calculus.

Right now, you're saying ad,

when you're at the 107 and someone really wants Casey Concepcion,

and they're like, dude, he's my wide receiver through you.

Whatever the hell is in their mind,

you're just going to be able to leverage that pick at that moment.

And the cool thing about it is that when you're at that pick,

whether they are Casey Concepcion fans,

Omar Cooper fans, Kenyan Sidiq fans,

doesn't really matter.

The pick is still the same pick.

You can be a fan of any player,

and I still get the value of how much you like,

whoever the fuck you like, because the pick is, you know,

is static, but the player could be anybody.

And that's what makes those picks worth even more,

is that guys like, dude, I can't let someone else take Sidiq here.

Or again, whomever.

And so those picks steam when they're on the clock,

because someone wants their guy.

Okay, talking about steam, Chris Brasel from Tennessee,

ran a 437.

I'm kind of thinking fake steam, though.

Like to me, the profile says, deep threat catch and fall down

wide receiver, I think, you know,

those guys tend to run fast.

And so bumping him up huge on a 437-40 feels like,

maybe not a double count,

but maybe like a one and a half count,

as far as evaluating him.

So what do you guys think?

Like, do you guys have any interest in Brasel?

Am I being maybe a little bit too shallow on the take

and need to dig deeper or what?

You got the every other year thing going for him, right?

Good second year or two lane.

Then he goes to Tennessee and we, you know,

have talked for years about their offense

and what that does.

And kind of the red flags that come along with it

didn't really produce that first year at Tennessee

and then has a great senior year at Tennessee

with a thousand six yards, nine touchdowns.

You know, his target per route run number

is good throughout north of 21%.

His yards per route run took a dip.

He's junior year.

That's the first year at Tennessee at one, two, three.

But aside from that, always above two as well.

So like, I don't know.

He checked some boxes,

but there's always going to be red flags

around gimmicky offenses that we need to be aware of.

There's also the transfer, which kind of explains some of this stuff.

I just don't like when we're, I don't know much about the player.

I haven't watched any film on this guy yet.

But like, I'm already seeing the explanations

and the excuses as to why he's actually really great.

But the numbers tell me deception.

Mm hmm.

Yeah, I think, you know, you saw me retweet a fella

who was comparing him to Randy Moss.

I thought that was a little, a little bulb.

Twitter is a fun place.

I got to tell you, to look at a guy with the profile

of Chris Brasel and start to see Randy Moss

just signifies what your picks can be worth

when certain dynasty managers in your league

are listening to different sources of information.

Chris Brasel might be pretty good,

but his profile says he's probably sub-elite

and that he's probably closer to a DJ-chark type of player,

which is fine.

Jalen Hyatt was one of those players.

I think he's probably better than Jalen Hyatt,

quite frankly, you know, but again, you know,

this is the type of prospect we're seeing.

Is it possible he's a better player than that?

And is a better NFL player than he was a college player?

I guess, generally speaking, when we see target earning potential,

we see it in college.

We don't just see this, you know, and at 21 percent,

like you say, it's not bad.

He's actually a pretty good little deep threat probably.

Ran fast, you know, has a long lean body,

made some good play.

He's good, but I don't know that we need to go too much farther

than that. And ultimately, at the end of the day,

this is probably, I mean, put it this way,

where were we drafting Marvin Mims, right?

Like, do I think he's better as a prospect than Mims?

No, actually.

Do I think he could have a better career than Marvin Mims?

Of course, that's possible, right?

So I think it's probably in that range.

What's that, a late second?

That's fine.

Yeah, maybe something like that.

Yeah, the Jalen Hyatt comp is a great one,

just for Tennessee offense and all of that.

So I actually really like that and

think that that's maybe a lens we should consider

when looking at this prospect.

And I need to do more work on him admittedly.

So, yeah.

Well, that's the exciting thing, right?

Is that we're just starting, so to speak.

So, you know, one of the cool things about this show,

if you're listening to this show for the first time,

is we are authentic.

We're going to open up.

We're going to discover new things together

as we sort of break down these prospects,

which we haven't watched every one of them.

Joe does a great job of actually watching.

We're going to feed it off one another.

And if Joe sees something that I didn't,

or whatever, it's going to be discussed

as we go through the process, which is fun.

Yeah, so much fun, actually,

to see it evolve as we move towards the draft.

Yeah, just getting started, boys.

We're going to talk about two more sleeper wide receivers

and then a couple of tight ends here.

First sleeper that we're going to talk about.

Jack's even pimping this guy already

for like a month or two.

Elijah Sarat.

Yep, from Indiana.

Big body receiver different from Omar Cooper.

I say you've been pimping him,

not to the level of Omar Cooper.

But we do like this player, I think.

And so why don't you tell me about him?

Yeah, I think, well, the two guys that I've really been pimping,

well, three, I guess, would be, you know, Sarat as well.

But Sarat has a pretty cool profile.

There are some red flags with all these players, right?

The big problem with Sarat is his contested catch percentage.

In other words, how many of his targets are contested?

So his contested target percentage.

In other words, what percentage of the targets that you receive?

Were you covered?

And a lot of them were, he was covered.

Now, he does play that type of role in the offense, where,

you know, Omar Cooper is getting some, you know,

you know, manufactured touches where Sarat has to go create his own

and kill his own food.

But the, the other two I gotta mention, I mean, obviously Omar Cooper

and hopefully, I don't, are you going to Skyler Bell after this?

Skyler Bell was next after Sarat.

Okay, I'm just making sure because one of the things that I feel really

vindicated about is that I was pimping Omar Cooper Skyler Bell

and Sarat and it feels like, dude, Skyler Bell is getting some like,

early second first round, I'm like, what is going on?

Right now, Omar Cooper is almost a lock first round pick,

as is Casey Concepcion.