Egon-omics: Stockenbojer Edition (Part 1)

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Hey y'all, I'm Cassidy, the favorite daughter, obviously.

And I'm Kim, her mom, her match, and the real reason she turned out halfway decent.

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Because here on mom's favorite, we got a lot to unpack.

Hello friends, it's Kim here, doing a solo run today.

And finally, I have the man, the myth, and the legend with me, Egon Stockenboyer.

I'm excited to finally get to sit down and we're going to deep dive into all of the

gory details of everything, of everything how we met, how we came about, our life together,

nothing's off the table.

What do you think about that, honey?

Oh, I don't know, we'll see.

So welcome.

Oh, thank you for having me, finally.

Finally, really?

That's because you're never here.

I can never pin you down to do it.

So it's not like I didn't, you know, have you on the list and want you to do it.

That's true.

That's true.

I'm glad to be here.

Be here in your own, in your own old office, formerly known as your office.

Formerly known as, I know, you've committed it over half of it.

Yep.

I'm working on the other half, figuring out how that's all going to work.

Oh, no.

Oh, yes, so anyway, let's kind of talk about kind of how we met and how things got started

between me and you.

So how did we meet?

Do you remember?

Well, yeah.

I remember it quite well, like it was yesterday.

I remember I had just gone through my divorce and I was doing some dating and stuff at the

time, but it started, it was doing some online back when it really wasn't a thing and had gone

on a few dates and stuff, nothing serious.

And then you and I started communicating on an application that we were both on it.

It was match and we had some exchanges, but nothing really became of it, but I did have

your personal email.

And then we kind of got off it around the same time I kind of got disenchanted.

A lot of people were representing themselves.

They weren't really what they were saying they were or because there were a lot of people

who didn't have pictures.

A lot of women didn't want to put their pictures on at the time.

Yeah.

I guess they didn't want to be viewed as based on their looks, solely on their looks and

everything.

So I said, I can respect that.

So I went out with some people who said, you know, and then they had a kind of rated

how you look wise, how you were and some of them put they were like, exceptionally good

looking and then they were really like below average.

You know, like so on.

They put themselves as like 12s and they're like, I kind of remember, I kind of vaguely

remember the question of what would you rate your looks department and they had like,

you know, movie star material or then they had like put a bag over your head.

So I mean, you know, and I think that I always downgraded a little bit like I never put

myself up in the higher group of like the better looking people.

I just put like, I would put like average, you know, averagely attractive, maybe or something

like that because I would never want to come across as someone who was like, oh, yeah,

she thinks she's so beautiful.

Right.

And so then we both kind of got off at around the same time, but I had your email and

then I emailed you and then didn't really hear anything back.

And I think it was like a Yahoo account back at the time.

It was like ghosting you.

Well, I don't know.

You just did say it was kind of a busy time of your life and then I kind of got off,

but then all of a sudden, like two months later, you email me and then I was like, oh,

yeah, I remember her.

And at that point, I still didn't see your picture.

We hadn't even talked on the phone at that point because at that point, I just had your

email address and I was it and then we communicated back and forth.

And then we did have a couple of phone calls and we said, hey, you want to get together

for lunch?

And then we met at on the border back at the time over by the Arboretum.

I think it was, and we had lunch there.

And I just remember the first thing I remember was her, your legs, I was just like, I

just had some nice legs.

Well, I think I was coming from, we were meeting like at lunch from like work.

So we were dressed, we were probably dressed up, you know, but yeah, yeah.

I don't really remember what I, I remember thinking that you were handsome.

You were handsome and I thought you were very well spoken and smart.

But you weren't like overly trying to like sell yourself, which is like a huge red flag

for me.

Like, when I was dating, I would be like, if they're over there telling, listing all their

accomplishments and, you know, just all into themselves, that's like a, that's like

a no for me.

And so you really weren't like that.

You weren't quiet, but, you know, you, you were engaging, but not like a love bomber.

Like, I mean, I literally went out with some people that literally, you go out on like

one or two dates with them and they're already talking about when we get married.

Oh God.

Yeah.

Well, that was the furthest thing from my mind at that point.

Yeah.

And one time I went out with this guy that he, he actually happened to be married to someone

named Kim before me.

And so he had, he still had his monogram towels from when he was married and he said, Hey,

when we get married, you won't, we won't even have to get new towels.

I think that was a joke.

No.

No.

So.

But anyway, so yeah, and we, we, I'm trying to remember.

So we had that first lunch date then what happened?

Did we like just say, Hey, what was our first date after that?

Was that your office happy hour?

I don't think it was that.

I think we went to, um, remember the alligator grill, I think was our second date and we went

there and, um, yeah, and then we really hit it.

I think, I think one or two dates later, probably the next date after that was my office

one.

Yeah.

The whole happy hour.

I do remember the alligator grill and, um, oh, that was such a good place to remember

the tequila lime shrimp.

Oh my gosh.

Oh, and they had the order oysters for 25 cents and the $2.00 shiner box.

Yeah.

I do remember that.

Remember, you used to take my dad there.

So yeah, I remember that.

And I remember that like, that's where you first kissed me in the parking lot.

You were just like, could I give you a good night kiss?

And I'm like, that's right.

I asked.

Of course.

It's just the voice, that awkwardness of going in and you're like getting that pushback

and you're like, yeah, but I think that's the first time anyone really ever asked me.

So that was, I thought that was kind of cute.

I thought it was very gentlemanly like.

And then, um, we, we went out, then we went to, that must have been like when we went

to your, um, your, your work, because I think your little work happy hour thing was pretty

early.

Yeah.

It was like right after work out at like five, and I think it was just maybe an hour.

And then we went off to that, that little hideaway library, like coffee place, the library

or that was like kind of off a red river in like, I don't know, probably seventh or something

like that.

It was just just a little cubby thing and we just hung out and yeah, it was a really

cute place.

Yeah.

It was very cute.

And I remember we were making out in the car in the parking lot and I was like, because

you had a smoke and body and I was like, oh, I'm so doing him this weekend, I'd already

decided.

After that, uh, after that night, I was like, yeah, lucky me.

And so, um, so what did you like think about me, like what were your thoughts about me

besides she has great likes?

I mean, you know, well, what was your impression?

Well, I really liked you and I thought, um, you know, and, and, you know, you had Cassidy

and, and, uh, and everything and you had been a single mom already at that point for

quite a while.

So you've been around the dating pool a bit.

So, um, you know, I was just trying to get to know you at that point, you know, get to

know you about it.

But I had, but I had, I thought very highly of you because you did dig someone else before

me that was remember that stole your lawn mower.

Oh, that's right.

Remember that.

I saw her at the home depot when I tried to, hey, wasn't it a sheet like she ran around

around the corner and then I never, she was hiding because she didn't want to have

to give up that lawn mower.

That was so bad.

That was so bad.

You bought her.

So, um, yeah.

And so we, we went on a few dates.

I remember when we did go to your office party.

I remember how, um, I don't know, I really liked the people that you worked with.

They were real like, I don't know, just kind of cool, eclectic kind of people.

I was like, these people are really fun.

And, um, I liked the way that they really interacted with you and how they just really

liked you.

And, um, I thought, man, they're like, they really like him.

And so then we went, then I think we did spin the weekend together.

It really did.

And then, which was one of the bonuses of being a single mom is you have this every other

weekend of freedom.

So I could come over and hang out in your, and for anyone who may be questioning, because

I've been told this that I just married Ethan for his millions.

And I just want you to know that he didn't have any millions.

He didn't have any money.

He lived in a regular little apartment and drove a little car with no air.

And we went on dates at the, um, Whole Foods free, um, sample.

Okay.

It was that bad.

No, just kidding.

That last part, yeah.

But, um, I've never go in the, I've never one of our dates was pretty early on.

We went to the hot sauce festival.

And it was like over a hundred degrees and going to a hot sauce festival and we're sitting

under the misting machines and I'm getting like little cups of beer and stuff.

And we're, we're like, not even really into the hot sauce because it was so hot out.

And I think.

Yeah.

I mean, it was so.

We lasted like, um, like maybe an hour.

And I remember when you're like, Hey, you want to go to this hot sauce festival and I was

thinking in my mind, Oh, hell no, that sounds horrible.

But, you know, early on, you want to act like you're just a go along kind of gal.

So, um, we went, but I, of course, didn't want to come across as being like someone

who couldn't go along and someone who was complaining all the time.

So I just was like sweating, so it was so flippin' hot and but yet I didn't say a word

about it.

And I think finally you said, it's really hot, huh?

And I'm like, I don't know.

It's not really that bad.

You're lying.

You mean while we're melting and so anyway, but yeah, that was fun.

I think I got the air in my car fixed at that point.

Yeah.

Probably.

Probably.

Yeah.

I mean, you, we, we just, we, we were from both of us.

We were both from very humble means.

We, I didn't have any money.

You didn't have any money.

And we were just kind of making it and, um, and then what, and then I met your mom.

And let's say how that goes.

So she was bringing you your car.

Remember that?

That's right.

She, she wanted Egon to marry a rich and successful woman and unfortunately he got me.

But she, he got an inheritance, right?

It was from an inheritance.

She got an inheritance.

Okay.

From her dad, from her father.

From her father, correct.

And then she gave some money to Jam and she said, hey, and she, she had somebody call

her up a friend whose son worked at a BMW dealership and in Palm Beach, Florida.

And then said, hey, we had this car.

It's only like a month, somebody bought it like a month later and said it was too small

for them.

And they brought it back and got on a new car.

And so they were discounting it like 10 grand or something like that.

They took a beating on it.

Um, not the dealer did, but they saw we're selling it for like 10,000 off.

You know anybody?

So she just called my mom and she's like, yeah, my son really needs a new car and his

air wasn't working and all of that.

So his sweet mother uses her inheritance on her boys and she buys Egon's part was this

car and she not only bought it for him, she drove it from Florida to Texas to deliver

it to him, which I thought was just so sweet.

So she came and I remember the first time I met, I met, I believe I met Emily at the

same time.

Yeah.

Your daughter.

And I, I just from, and Cass was with us, so it's like the whole meeting of the, I mean,

this was pretty early on and we're already meeting with the family.

So, um, and then I remember Cassidy whispering over in my ear and going, what's wrong with

her face?

And I'm like, shh.

Well, she, I guess she had just had some kind of like procedure like fraxel or microderm

or something where it makes her face kind of red and kind of like on fire, whatever.

And so, and it was kind of, your mom was the most beautiful and vain woman.

I mean, she took really good care of herself.

So she was always doing little procedures and so she must have just pretty much recently

had a little procedure done.

But anyway, um, so we, we got there and you guys had already been there for a while.

That was, yeah, that was, it was hot.

And it was, and it was hot.

And so by the time we got there, which was pretty close to when we were supposed to be

there, but by then she wanted to leave because it was really hot.

And so anyway, we, we didn't get a really good first introduction.

I don't think, um, because I kind of suggested, well, you know, you could take the car and

then I could bring them.

I don't know.

She just kind of didn't like me taking, taking, um, her son and, um, when she just drove

that car down from Florida to think that she would be able to drive it all the way back

to her apartment.

But anyway.

So yeah, it was kind of a weird little, you know, it was a weird introduction.

That's right.

Were you uncomfortable?

Um, was I uncomfortable at that time, you mean?

And what was your mom saying to what was like, she saying, I don't think she said a

whole lot.

She was mad at the end.

She's like, I came all this way and, you know, and then, yeah, she was pretty mad about

like, I said, well, I could tuck you in a cab.

If you don't feel comfortable driving and she didn't like that, she didn't like that

either.

But we shouldn't have got there an hour and a half earlier, whatever it was because then

but she's like, I'm ready to go.

I've had enough and, and it was kind of like, God, they just got here 30 minutes ago.

Yeah.

Because we, I don't know why we ended up there so early.

I have no idea.

Yeah.

She was kind of a hard person to impress anyway.

And I was just like this Texas gal.

And what did she say?

The only thing you liked about me was I had big boobs or something.

I don't know.

You don't recall her saying that.

She did say that because you told me afterwards.

You said, my mom said the only thing I like, you know, you like, is she's got boobs.

So that was a little bit, that was a little bit, um, that was a little bit of a weird thing.

But I think your mom and I really, we, we were okay.

We were okay.

I don't, I never got the feeling that she didn't like me or didn't, you know,

was it supportive of us?

And she just had her ways.

And I think she had it in her mind that she was going to bring you this nice car.

And you were going to meet yourself a, a doctor or something.

And speaking of doctors,

Egon's first wife was a doctor.

So I think maybe that was where that came from that she figured, well, you know,

he was already married to like a rich and successful doctor.

So maybe that's kind of somebody he should.

Rich.

I'm being a little fishy.

I'm rich with, yeah, a lot of student loans.

I'm getting, yeah, I'm being, I didn't want to pay him back.

But so tell us about, tell us about your first marriage.

Well, essentially, yes.

So, so we ended up in, really going back to how I ended up in Texas to begin with was,

I had worked for a publisher in, in Connecticut as a consultant.

And they brought me in because they were doing a lot of merger and acquisition work.

And so I kind of came in to kind of help them with some of those new acquisitions.

And one of those happened to be in Texas.

That's how I ended up in Austin.

But what happened at the time because she did a program, my ex did a program in the military.

She had to give them two years of service.

So two years was actually was four years,

but two years were satisfied through her residency.

So she got a salary and benefits and all that.

Plus, she was able to get her residence salary at the time.

Supposed to go against the student loans, which never happened.

But then we had to give her two years.

So we were trying to find a base.

And so we were trying to get down and like in Florida originally.

And there was a couple options there.

But then there was an opportunity that came up in Texas and the job.

And I almost wasn't really going to take it because I didn't know where we're going to land.

We were looking at Panama City.

And then there was Tampa Bay.

There was another one there too.

And so we're kind of looking at it and then there was one South of Miami.

But I think they shut that down or were in the process of shutting that one down.

But and then we were looking up further up north by Daytona,

where Cape Canaveral is that way and stuff.

So there was another base there.

But anyway, so this opportunity came up, but she ended up in Del Rio.

And so yeah, and we she was pregnant.

And so they put her paradise, they put her in Del Rio.

And so anyway, so we spent time.

We moved in two years.

We moved nine times with the military, like nine times because the move from Cedar Park.

And then it went to Del Rio.

We moved three times in Del Rio.

Maybe it wasn't, I was probably more like seven.

And and then it was three times in Del Rio.

And then it was another two times in San Antonio.

Because they moved her a couple bases in it because we ended up in San Antonio

because Emily, remember she had that, you know, birth related injury and everything.

And so so she was working down in Del Rio and you were working in Austin.

And I was coming down on weekends once the baby was born and all of that.

And so give a little, give just a little thumbnail about what happened with the baby.

So she was she was pregnant.

And she, because you guys, you guys did in vitro.

We did.

We did in vitro.

That's right.

Because like obviously you couldn't have children.

No, obviously she could not have children.

And so or whatever was having some issues.

And so you did in vitro and then, but she did it through the military.

So it was probably paid for, right?

Well, the vitro wasn't through the military.

We did that previously one through Yale.

So like how did that work?

Did you have to like go in, you have to go in with like a magazine.

Here you go.

Or they give you like a porn.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

Back that out of video or magazines.

Yeah.

I mean, I've never made babies except for the natural way.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

But anyway.

Okay.

So she, she went into labor and she, she tells you, hey, I'm, I'm about to have the baby

you need to get down here.

And so you're driving down to Del Rio.

Well, yes.

So she went into labor and then it's like her mom had called and said, hey, you better

get down here.

So because her mom was living with her.

Yeah.

And yes, her mom was staying with her towards the end of the pregnancy there.

Okay.

And it was probably about a month before Emily was due.

And so she comes down and stays.

And so anyway, I don't know why, but the doctor gave her Potosan because he wanted

to deliver in the middle of the night.

He really had a great bedside manner.

So anyway, I'm like, she's like, call me up again.

She goes, oh, you don't have to rush.

It's going to be a while.

We're like just getting ready to go down to the hospital and probably a couple of hours.

And so anyway, and it's like, you know, it's a four hour drive.

And so anyway, all of a sudden, like an hour later, she gives me a call and she's like,

you better get down here.

They're going to give her Potosan and it's probably going to move things along.

And I ended up missing the birth by like 30 minutes.

Because they had trouble, they had trouble getting her out, right?

They had to use a vacuum.

I don't know if they had trouble, but they used the vacuums.

That's why that's what they used to vacuum extracts.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah, they used to vacuum extraction and they try the four sites which is what caused

the brain injury, cause the brain injury.

So or the brain is subdural, but she didn't know.

She didn't know about this.

She had the baby.

And she was probably hop and mad.

You didn't make it in time.

Oh, yeah.

And she'll never forgive you as long as you live.

And so then you guys had Emily.

And then Emily started having some some problems.

So what happened with Emily?

So yeah, Emily started having some, well,

it just kind of looked like abnormal like head growth.

And I was on one side of the head and she almost looked like she had downs.

Uh, and, and so we went and got her tested in the local hospital in Del Rio.

And they did a CT scan and then all of a sudden she started having seizures.

And they did a done a couple of scans, but so nobody really detected the subdural at

that point.

And so anyway, we ended up going to San Antonio because that's a better hospital and

have a better pediatric department there at the military had a better pediatric department.

And so that's some specialist and things like that.

And so anyway, we go there and pediatric neurologist saw her and actually did some testing

there and goes, huh, this is weird.

So somehow something got misread down in Del Rio or either on the base hospital about

the growth of her head.

Her size was abnormal for how fast it was growing.

And he thought something was up.

So then he did an MRI and that's where they saw the brain bleed and stuff.

And so then they made arrangements.

So then there was a, but initially they thought that they even like questioned you.

Oh, well, yeah, they got, they thought maybe they dropped the baby because you're saying

some of the blood was like old versus new, some was new and newer or whatever.

And so I mean, you don't know what to make of that.

Because it's hard to tell with an MRI, technical until you tap, you don't know if it's older,

newer, whatever, really, they're just going based off the, off the tests, right, black

and white and a lot of cases.

So anyway, they of course got CPS involved in things we were both interviewed.

She was interviewed in the hospital at the time.

And so anyway, then they did a surgery where they actually went in and they tapped, took

all the blood, removed the blood, but they didn't have to open up her head.

They somehow went in with a, like a syringe or something.

So they figured out that the, that this brain bleed and all these problems that your baby

was having was caused from that vacuum extraction birth that that doctor did it.

Correct.

Basically caused the brain bleed and they didn't know that it was there and whatever.

And so, so then what happened?

So then, well, then they did, they did the surgery and then her, no, but I mean, then

you guys wound up, you wound up suing, right?

Uh, yeah.

I mean, you had to do within two years.

We didn't know what was going to happen with her long term.

Uh-huh.

And she could not sue the military because she's in the military.

You can't do that.

You can't sue the military.

Yeah.

So your ex-wife as being?

Because it happened about a daughter on that because it was, she's born on a military

hospital.

I have the right to sue, you know, as the parent of the daughter looking out for her

best interests.

So at that time, then, yeah.

And um, it was kind of weird how that whole thing settled because the lawyer representing

the federal government, um, the, the military happened to go to law school with the fellow

I hired and, and they settled the whole thing over lunch.

Okay.

Without even going to court or meeting in front of the, outside of going in front of

a judge like one time to say we've reached the settlement, right, um, they didn't go through

depositions.

They didn't go through any of that.

So then, um, you, you, you settled and you had to wear with all the smarts to take this

money that you guys got the settlement and put it aside for Emily.

Well, no.

The whole thing was, it was Ori because the thing was about Emily's future, uh, probably

outside of the lawyer fees, there was very little money, they had to go in some

direction.

Well, it went into a, in a nudie, okay, that was going to kick in once she was 18 years

of age.

And so they gave us a little bit of money for our anguish, uh, but that was, it was nominal.

I mean, you could maybe have bought a, a used car with it, you know, because I, it went

to the lawyer a little bit for us and then, and then the majority of the money went into

a nudie, which kicked in once she was 18 plus a provided, um, money for school to every

year.

Uh, and then she would get a check for life, basically.

Yeah.

That's really, that's really smart.

That's good.

Um, I hope she's living that and, you know, I mean, she's, that's something not everybody

has in their life and to be able to have that safety net.

That's a nice fall back for sure.

So, do you think that having, um, you know, then she was a doctor and so she was starting

up a practice and, and do you think that just the stressors, I mean, what happened?

What happened to y'all, you and her?

Uh, I just, what would you say was the demise?

I mean, really, honestly, you don't want my real answer.

No, I do.

I do.

I want your real answer.

She was a raging bitch.

But, but I am too.

So aren't we all kind of, I wouldn't say you're a raging bitch.

I'm kidding.

Hope.

Like Andy, but yeah, you love her and you're, you're about, um, she was very self-centered.

She was about, um, she had this thing of, you know, I'm a doctor.

I deserve a kind of attitude and so she, even if she didn't have it, she would just

borrow and she just kept building up dead and dead and more and more dead and revolving

credit and didn't care about any of that.

And so the kind of on top of that and then just, you know, her attitude and stuff, she

would say, it's just kind of having it.

Well, another thing is the two of you.

It seemed like you guys were apart quite a bit too because with her being down there and

you being here.

Well, yeah, but even after that, I mean, that went on only for a year and a half and then

we ended up in San Antonio and we were together.

So really the del Rio thing was made, well, actually, that was like maybe a year.

And so then we ended up being in San Antonio, but I was driving, I put like 140,000 miles

on my car and like two and a half years, something that's crazy.

It was crazy.

And then we ended up in San Marcos after she got out of the military, we ended up in San

Marcos and she started her practice and everything.

And so I guess it just got to a point where she just had enough and she just said, I want

to divorce and you, I do remember you telling me that you had a very long divorce process

that she didn't make it.

I think as I was paying her health insurance and my lawyer at the time said, oh, hey, don't

cut anything off, it can get ugly and just keep paying.

I was back then the out of pocket, I was paying out of my check every month was like $300.

And for me, that was a lot of money back then.

So like plus I was paying child support and then we, she's the one who filed the paperwork

and then so we would just say yes or no or whatever and go back and then four months

would go by.

And then it wasn't really till she started seeing somebody that then all of a sudden

she was in a hurry to get the paper signed because you and I met, I know you used to joke

to me and go, God, your ink's barely dry right because I had gotten, I mean, I had signed

in like February and you and I met in like the summer or whatever.

So but I had already been dating because I'd been separated for like two and a half years

even though we didn't have anything to fight over, you know, we hadn't amassed anything

at that point.

Did you know in the house, the only thing we had was this land that we were maybe going

to build on and so we had bought an acre of land and stuff and we're making payments

on that and I had to go bug her to make her payment because they'd be complaining half

of it was late, constantly and stupid anyway.

Yeah.

And I'm sure you guys had things to work out like, you know, even like she had a medical

practice.

So technically you could be entitled to some of that maybe or you had, you know, this

amount, you know, this splitting every piece of it.

Oh, she was trying to say, well, I'm going to take everything you got which I didn't really

have a lot.

So it's like, okay.

And then, you know, because she was trying to get her practice and not have me be any

a part of that.

You know, I built that up over the last three years and I was like, I don't really care.

I just, I want to be done.

Yeah.

And so I was ready to move on at that moment.

So she was pretty, pretty happy about that part then that I wasn't going after a practice.

So it's just kind of like you have your debt and stuff I didn't take on any of her debt

or any of that part, so which she had quite a bit of it.

So it's kind of like, yeah, you take your debt, you have the practice and so can you be

responsible for someone else's student loans if they had them before you were married?

Not student loans or or or debt, the debt is only based on what you've accumulated during

the marriage.

Okay.

Okay.

That that you would be responsible for half of it.

Yeah.

I do remember I had a little small student loan too when we met.

You did.

Yeah.

You were borrowing to go to school and then yes, I did pay that off.

I did pay that off.

Yes.

I had that.

So I remember like when I first met you and Emily and one of the things that I really

did love about you is you had a daughter and you were a good dad.

It's, you know, I like the relationship you had with her and but I noticed pretty quickly

how raging crazy your ex-wife was.

I mean, she had so much rage for you and I don't really know why except that usually

means someone's hurt, you know, they've got hurt feelings or whatever.

But I mean, I had an ex-husband too and I mean, I didn't care much for him but I certainly

didn't rage hate him and I didn't, you know, try to make his life a living hell.

Like she, she literally, I mean, honestly, you and I almost did not even get married

because of that because I was scared to get involved with the things that she was doing

and how she just seemed really unhinged and also not only that, it's like every week

and when it would be your turn to get Emily, it's just the drama all associated around

all of it was so stressful that I was like, this, I don't know, do I, I mean, I was single

for a long 10 years.

Do I really want to sign on for this?

I mean, really?

Well, at that point, I think you were pregnant with Jay, right?

Yes, so I mean, obviously we had a kid together but I mean, we were having a kid together

but it was like, I don't know because I mean, she was just, I felt, I was, I was really

honestly wanting to know something, I was honestly kind of scared because that whole thing

where she involved, she called CPS on us and reported both of us, I think Egon was

like abusive, being abusive to his children and then I was like, complicit in it or allowing

it to happen or whatever and they went and pulled Jake out of school, remember they went

to his PPCD class and I was like, they pulled him out and like, we're like, looking him

over for marks and I was like, this is, this is not my life, this, I'm not a CPS kind

of person, you know, and I felt like she could make up anything about us and it really scared

me.

I was afraid that she would say like, I don't know, you molested your daughter or you because

I think she would have said anything, anything at all to harm you.

Why was she so angry at you?

I have no idea.

Did you cheat on her?

No.

No, I mean, I know, I know you didn't and I know you didn't, you're not a cheat and kind

of guy, but yeah, I just think that she just had a whole lot of, yeah, she had a victim

mentality, but, but of course, she was, she had a lot of anger towards men in general though.

She had a lot of stuff that went with her dad, I think, that it came down to because I

knew she had a lot of issues with her pops because he ended up leaving the family and a lot

of the financial burden came down on her, even though she wasn't really making a ton

of money.

She's doing better than anybody else in the family at the time, so it was kind of, a lot

of that fell on on her, yeah, of keeping things afloat for them as well.

Yeah.

Well, and then on top of everything else it was going on, she sued us.

Remember that.

That's right.

That fun little time we had.

Well, for the embryo storage, yeah, so you want to kind of elaborate on kind of just like,

you know.

Yeah.

So basically she was trying to get custody of the eggs that were still in storage, and

I wasn't banging in the store, I was like, they shouldn't even be there.

So these are like fertilized eggs that these are babies waiting for frozen storage someplace

in about a thousand dollars a year to store those things and we weren't going to have

a kid together, but she was trying to get custody of those.

And so the hell are probably reading about this in law school, about the case that was

right here in Travis County because it was really trend setting back then for the time

frame because you were trying to, it was already spelled out on the contract about what was

going to happen with that, which is what the, how the judge leaned ultimately at the

end was that the embryos were to be donated to a, to a, to somebody who was in need.

And essentially, there would be anonymous.

We wouldn't know who would get home or any of that.

And so essentially she, she honored the spirit of the agreement, basically, which, but

we went this romper room, right, this roundabout thing in court and all of that.

Yeah, I mean, we literally had to get a court.

We had to testify.

I did not have to testify, but Egon had to testify and she testified.

They tried to double team us with two lawyers and probably, yeah, 500 an hour.

I mean, so I, oh, and you could just see that just back, just back up one second because

so when you had your in vitro with Emily, you had other fertilized eggs that you stored

that you had from then that you could have more children with.

And actually, she did get pregnant again, right?

She got pregnant with twins and she lost those babies and then, um, and then after that,

I think was like, that was, was like the end of it, but she, she came to you.

I remember this, she came to you and wanted you to sign this paper from, I think it was

like St. David's where saying that you were releasing any, um, claims to, or whatever

for these, these embryos because they had to be moved, I think because they were closing

the, the whole program down over there.

And so they, they needed a movement.

So she was, she wanted, she wanted custody control.

She wanted control of them, right?

Yeah.

And so she just kind of, I think she kind of just said, hey, can you sign these like sort

of thinking maybe you would just, well, then after we kind of got to talking about

and thinking about it, we're like, no, no, that's not a good idea.

So then that, and that is where the fighting started is she wanted those embryos.

And we did not want her to have them because I mean, think about it.

That would mean you potentially could have other children floating around or she could

decide she wanted to have another baby, you know, she was not young.

She was older than us.

Well, and actually, I think the judge bought that up in court.

Well, it actually, there could be another me running around, you know, because those

embryos were donated to a family and so, and maybe if any of them, because usually

lose like half during, once they take them out of freezing, so there were six or eight

of them.

So the contract said basically either, I remember it said either destroy or donate it

in the event of divorce.

Yeah.

And so thank goodness for that, thank goodness you guys had that.

I'm sure they make everybody do that because that's at a lot of them and run into that.

And so she did not get the embryos and, you know, she's, I don't think was kind of a

person that liked to lose or anything.

So I didn't help the cause of the anger that she had.

Oh, no, a matter of fact, I remember the judge, he leans over to me and he goes, you were

married to her.

Oh my gosh.

That's crazy.

And I just look at, she does, she did come across as very unhinged on the stand.

Yeah.

I mean, and that's what I told you before you went over there and was like, look, you

don't have to say anything because she's going to hang herself because she just sounds

too crazy to be real.

And so you just sit back and let her do the workers.

That's exactly what she did.

Yeah.

That's exactly what she did.

Yeah.

So it all worked out in that sense, but I think there was a lot of damage done.

Emily got caught in a lot of crosshairs of a lot of rage from her mom and I don't know.

I mean, I don't think that you, I never felt like you had rage towards her.

I don't know you, you know, just wanted to be done with all of it.

And, you know, it's unfortunate because you have this daughter that, you know, you

haven't been able to have a relationship with and, you know, now she's a grown woman.

And in her mind, she has ideas about, you know, you and me.

And, you know, I, I think it's sad because I, I think that the ideas that she has about

us and our family, our whole family, all the stock employers, I think are very much jaded

by the, the hate that her mom had towards you.

And, you know, it was ugly.

I mean, I don't have to go into all the details of all of the, you know, just the, if you

can imagine, it was some of the worst case of, you know, the fighting back and forth

with the kid and just all of it was really stressful.

It was really stressful for everybody and I'm, I'm so glad all that's over.

Well, yeah, it was over a long time ago.

That was over a long time ago, but yeah, it was very, it was very hard.

But meanwhile, we were, we were checking along because we, once we just, once we hooked

up, I feel like we sort of got on this path of like building a family.

That's the way I felt.

And I felt like you were going to, like you were going to get us there.

You were going to take care of things.

You were going to, you know, you were kind of going places.

And once we figured out that you were under employed with your, your job and got you,

you know, you got where you wanted to be.

And I think really what got us going was we drank the Kool-Aid of Robert Kiyosaki.

I, I think so too.

Yeah, it was about, you know, being, yeah, being in your own business and then trying

to, you know, build, you know, it's a big real estate guy and of course he's huge on

gold now.

That's all he talks about is gold and silver.

He has for a number of years, but he was big back then in a real estate.

And so that's right.

I remember Cassie was at a dance competition and she was going to be, I think it was like

two days.

And so Robert Kiyosaki was in Dallas and she was over near Dallas.

Also, I think nearby.

And so we popped over there for the day and then went in that evening and then saw them.

But we went like the whole next day in the competition, but yeah, we went to all those

breakout real estate sessions and that was a very well attended, it was a really good

book.

And it's, if you haven't read Rich Dad Poor Dad, it's a really old book.

It's been out a long time now.

But it's really a good depiction of being your own boss, being your own leader of your

own family, being kind of kind of, I mean, nobody's totally the leader.

But I mean, not relying on a corporation to take care of you and your family.

And I think when you were working for IBM and other couple of other companies that you

work for and it seemed like every six months, there was these rollbacks or reorganizations

or, you know, and it was very, it's about the quarterly results.

Yeah, especially the publicly traded companies I worked for, they were all about the quarterly

results and then figuring out a way to, hey, if like, you know, like the company I was

with that, you know, we went out with all the staff people, they, they figured out a way

to cut out a whole department, you know, so they took out the accounting and fulfillment

and they shifted all somewhere else and rebranded everything and then they wanted me to move

up to Chicago's New Jersey and I was like, oh, hell no, you know, and so anyway.

Yeah, so we decided that we wanted to get out of the rat race, that we didn't want to be part

of the rat race. We didn't want to work hard for someone else to be sitting up there getting rich.

And so we drank the kool-aid, we drank the kiosk hockey and you started doing, I mean, we're

talking grassroots gorilla marketing here. Door to door hangers. That's right.

Knocking on doors. I mean, I wasn't knocking on doors per se, but yeah, really, it was,

I know, just even on our own neighborhood, we figured out a cheap way to do all those flyers

and we did those and then had the kids like going up and down the street, putting them on,

I would go to a street and then even where I was at IBM, I'd go out at lunch time and I'd do

door hangers, door and lunch for 30, 45 minutes. And it literally started one client at a time.

Pretty much, yeah. That's exactly how it started. One client at a time. And I think Jake was

probably what, I like a year to old too, maybe. And then I started doing some mass email to

real estate because I actually had a coworker. I used to work at the buyer company before IBM.

And he had said, man, I'm doing real estate on the side now. I'm trying to do my own thing.

And he said there was no training for tax or anything. He just, and so that was kind of like a

light bulb moment. Oh, I'm on a market to real estate agents. Right. And that was big. We were

setting up all those escorps. And that was big. Everybody was just, that's just let into that,

yes, I remember the, the realty roundup. That's right. When I first left IBM, yeah, because I had

said, if I make my salary for six months in a row, I'll leave my day job. And so they kind of,

because my performance, obviously, over the two and a half years, I was starting and building

things. My performance on the day time job got in the way. Well, and I think they knew that you

were, you were, you were numbered by then, you know, you were your days. We don't think they

kind of, well, now it's coming out of the tech bus. So they were looking for people to put on

the termination list. So they offered me, it was like four months pay and six months of health

insurance. And I mean, they were throwing out the carpet, but they had to put down termination.

I was like, I don't care what you put down on the right at that point. So I was like, okay,

I'll take that package. So that gave us some spending money to already kind of hit the ground

running. And then literally a week after I left IBM, was the realty roundup. And it were like

5,000 agents attended back then. And I was, yeah. And then I did the Robert Kiyosaki theme booth,

and it was Mardi Gras. And you went out and did all this. And I think you know, the whole great,

you know, the whole mood for and the cost of the booth, I think the whole thing was like $400

to attend that and do all that. And yeah, that's what really, a lot of people, I met a ton of

people through that. And we raffled off a cash flow game. Remember, and I got a lot of people

to throw their cards in the, in the thing. And a bunch of people signed up for free consultations.

That's what really got for that next end. It was October. So as a great time to line up for the

next tax season. Right. And then we just built them. And mind you, this is before. I mean,

the internet was out, but it wasn't like it is now. I mean, it was you got mail. And that was

about it. We had, we heard a phone, but they were like, flip phones, I think, right?

The cell phones, yeah, the same cell phones came out in the late 90s, the other. Yeah. So, I mean,

it's not like, you know, I mean, everything, we had to print out door hangers ourselves.

I mean, we had to create them on the computer and then print them out and then take them out.

And they were, they were kind of cheesy, but they must have, they must have worked because

look at, I mean, some of those clients, you had, you had 20, 25 years, some of those clients.

That's very true. Yeah, I'm still working with them today. The door hanger clients.

Crazy. The door hanger client. The door hanger. I still got a couple of them. Yeah. So,

yeah. So, you built this amazing, amazing business. And it just slowly by slowly, I mean,

we really did not even do a whole lot of advertising because once you got going, it was word of mouth.

I mean, you're just, you're phone distorted. But also did BNI for three years, remember that too.

So, I would go to lunch every week and then network through that. So, between all those

different avenues of the marketing and everything. I mean, I put three to five years of hard

marketing in besides growing the business and then the rest word of mouth really kind of took

it over from there. Right. And then we decided that we didn't as part of our plan with, you know,

Robert Kisaki and not wanting to live in the rat race. We decided that we didn't, we wanted

to buy the office. We didn't want to be renters and we didn't want to just, we didn't want to

throw money away. We wanted to start building some real estate. And who's going to be their own best

tenant is yourself. Right. So, you say you bought the office, you bought the office over there.

So, wait, did we buy the office before we bought this house? We did. That was before. Right before

the market started really kind of taking off after the tech bust. It was just starting to come

out of it. And so, and a client came into the attorney's office. I was subletting through him.

Remember Henry, who ended up becoming my roommate for a number of years, for a long time after we got

the new office. Oh, before we had the office, you were doing Starbucks, you were doing anywhere

meeting, meeting, anywhere having meetings out in public. And then Henry let me use his office two or

three afternoons a week. He let me, he let me use it. And so that worked out pretty good.

And then we just decided, you know, we're gonna, gonna have to just buy the bullet because you

needed a, you really needed a place to meet and we bought the office. And which was really smart.

It was a really good investment. And that was a leap. But we, and the weird thing about that

property was it came to me in a dream of a, having a little, when we were thinking about getting

an office, I was like, it came in a dream and it was about that street. And it's just a little

house with a couple of rooms, a couple offices in like a main area, like the perfect setup we have

now. And then a client of mine came in over to Henry's office and said, Hey, this looks like

it'd be a good property for you. And she goes, and I go, where's that? And she goes, it's on

cane. And she goes, I love that street. It's got all those little, and it was weird. It was like,

I saw that in a dream. And, and it was being gutted and totally remodeled and everything. So it was

like we were able to pick out colors. And, and every did all the flooring and they put, you know,

everything was all new, new AC, new roof, the whole Shabang. And so it was, we, we got that

place for a really good price. And it's really gone up in value. I mean, it was one of the smarter,

smartest things we did on, on, you know, on the finance front, I think. And so you've been working

and paying, paying off that office. And, and so now we have this great, great place over there.

And we don't really know what we're going to do with that yet. But maybe I'll move in over there.

It's a great location. Well, yeah, Brentwood is, is systemathing. And, uh, it's a key place.

I really like it. I'm glad that that whole area has been really built up in a lot of tear downs.

Plus, it's, it's, it's such a good location because being central, because we looked at places

like down here. Remember, we looked at south and, and then before we, you know, really decided on

that place. And I'm, I'm glad that we decided on that place because it was very much better located.

Yeah. And it was funny. The, the commercial developer who also had flipped that house to us.

And the realtor, um, they both became like clients. One still is. It's funny. The full circle

of, of life. I don't know. I mean, Austin really is a small town. When you, I mean,

it's gotten huge in the last few years. But prior to that, it really was a small town. I mean,

it's, everybody knows, I mean, you probably experienced this a lot with people. You're talking

to somebody and they're like, Oh, yeah, I know, yeah, I mean, he's, everybody is like what,

the seventh, the sixth degree of separation. For as big of a town as it is, it's got the small

field, especially when, you know, we've been, I've been here 30 plus. So since 93, so you end up

hearing a lot of people and then in the industry and things like that. And so yeah. So then we, we

had bought, we first got together. We lived in my little deplex, which was not going to work,

because we didn't have enough room. And we had just had a brand new baby. And we wound up

finding a pretty good deal on a house. And we moved in to a, it's a Fisbo. A Fisbo.

Yeah. Fisbo. For sale by early. Yeah. We were, we were really fortunate in our houses. I have to

say on all of our houses, the lake house, the jury is still out. But, but everything else,

I feel like we've done a really good job. And so we, we've moved into the other house over there.

We were there a few years. And then that's when we realized that Jake was not developing exactly.

He wasn't talking, basically. And I mean, I think he was pretty happy, pretty, pretty good baby

all the way around. But he was just not talking. And long story short, he got diagnosed with autism.

And the school that would have been our home school did not have this, the early childhood

intervention program that he needed. And so back then they didn't have it at every campus.

They only had it at maybe three or four campuses. And so they were, they were putting him over at

Kiker. And once he was at Kiker, I was like, wow, that I have to make sure that he stays there.

Because I loved everything about the school, the staff. I felt like it was so good for him.

So of course, then, after I think we'd only had our other house, maybe what about

four years maybe? At that point. And then I was like, well, I think it's time that we find our

dream home. And what'd you say? Yeah, because we got in that house in 2000. We ended up moving here

in 2006. So we've had it like five, six years. Okay. Okay. Okay. Good. I'm glad to know that I wasn't.

But the main thing, the only reason, the only reason that we moved was because we wanted him

over here in that school. I did. That's the only reason why I wanted to move. So I had been

driving around this neighborhood over here and really fell in love with this house. I mean,

I found this house and I came home and told you, oh, I found our dream home. I found our house.

And so that's right. And it wasn't even technically on the market, but it had a lock box.

And I think a sign in your, but it wasn't listed yet, correct? Yeah. It had a for sale sign in the

front. And actually, I actually looked at the house next door to us. That one actually,

um, I was able to go into and because I think I snuck over there and it was empty. And I think

I went inside there and looked in that house. So I was looking in that house and that one was on

the market. That's right. And then like a week later, this house had a for sale sign on it.

And I was like, Oh, what? And of course, I, you know, I was snooping all around here and I'd

walked all around the back and looking in the windows and everything and just kind of felt like,

okay, this is it. This is our house. We have to get this house now. And we had, we had to jump

through some hoops to get it because we didn't initially get it. And that's right. We were, we

were not the highest bid. And it came down to the inspection where they had like a six-page

punch list of items that get fixed and the buyer wanted. And they were like only like 10,000

over us. And that was a lot back then. That was 10,000 was probably a lot. Yeah, it wasn't like

before where people were bidding 150, 200,000 over asking, right? So this was 2006. So he came back

and said, and we, we, we had given up on the house emotionally and everything, right? You know,

well, they told us that you didn't get it. So we knew we didn't get it. And then he comes back

like, you know, two, three weeks later and says, will you guys take it for that same price and

for the asking? And we said, yeah. And so well, I'd rather work with you. And so, and so we just,

yeah, it was meant to be. It was meant to be. Totally was meant to be. So I just, yeah.

So, and the house was trash. I mean, it was, it had like, witness protection program. It had rats

because they, they left open things that allowed rats and mice to enter and we had to get the

pest control. I mean, there were so many scorpions in here. And, and they left all their stuff here.

So that's right. It was like a, like they were in the witness protection program. Yeah. Yeah.

So still the Dodge Viper sitting in the garage in the Harley. Remember that after we moved.

And the pontoon boat, they had a pontoon boat back yard for a couple of weeks after they knew.

It was, it looked rough. I don't know where, if I somewhere probably do have some photos at this

place before we got, we've done all the work to it. But, yeah, it was rough. But I could tell that

that this was the house. This was my house. It fit all of our needs perfectly because I had

the separate office and it had just the room and the downstairs. And I could just see how pretty it

would be once we, yeah, once we fixed it up. So yeah. So we bought that this house. And meanwhile,

life's going along. And we are, um, you know, we're living autism. Autism kind of put us in this other

realm of, um, kind of focus. You know, you're going down one way and working on one thing and all of

a sudden, you know, your kid has autism and everything kind of shifts to that, you know. And so,

well, for me, especially I did. But, um, meanwhile, you're, you're, you're killing it. You're

taking care of all of us and, you know, paying for all the, the treatments. Because back then,

he went to Central Texas Autism Center and it was very expensive. It was very expensive for him to

go to therapies. And back then, nothing was covered by insurance and, um, but he, he did really,

well, he did really well at, um, Kiker. Um, we just had our usual kind of, you know, we had

usual autism life. Um, I feel like you and I could make a podcast of just autism in the life,

you know, Oh, for sure. And talking about pandas and everything. And talk about, we'll just talk

about everything. Autism related, like all the craziness that happened. It was like, autism,

it's no, but oh, we could get, uh, Steve, Steve Adrian or myself in here and, yeah, so we did

connect with other autism families. And that really helped us a lot. We have forged some wonderful

friendships, uh, even to this day. We're still friends and our kids are all grown up in adults now,

but, um, autism in itself is just kind of its, uh, own little society a little bit. And because

these kids are so complicated and so, um, behaviorally not appropriate that most of us can't even

take them anywhere or can go very few places. And so we kind of have to stick together to, you

know, really understand, you know, the whole concept of raising a kid with these weird behaviors

and these, I don't know, they don't fit in any little box, so to speak. They don't, you know,

even school is difficult. Everything is difficult because it's not really made for them. And so,

yeah, the friendships we've made have been, you know, amazing.

Well, and for the boys, I think that's where the camping really helped because

they could be themselves when they went on campouts. And generally, you know, the other people in

the YMCA groups that were there were pretty accommodating for everybody. And so in most of the time,

it would be in our vicinity would be all YMCA people anyway. And so they all knew that there

were special needs. And, but they could go ride their bikes at these state parks that we would go to,

like, you know, during the school year. And we do what seven eight campouts a season, you know,

per school year. And we did that for 10 years. I sat down with Steve last week and we talked about,

we talked a lot about the camping and stuff and how beneficial it was for everybody and how great

it was. And he counted the number of campouts. And yeah, it was, it was amazing. You guys did a good

job of keeping that friendship and building that friendship. And then, you know, letting the boys

have that outdoor free time and just dad time. Yeah. And so they would hang out. And then we also

had neuro to typical families that were part of our immediate group, but also the YMCA. But,

you know, Jake was a wanderer. He always, especially when he saw like Shelby and some of the other

neuro tip of going from different campsites, they would see them going to other YMCA campsites

and talking to people and things. Jake wanted to do that too. He had this always had that social

nature about him where he was social. And then he thought, oh, that's what I do. I'm going to go

over to that group. And I'm going to go introduce myself. And I'm going to, which is like, man,

put that kid in sales. You know, it's like, if you can get past, hey, what's your name? This is my goal.

Yeah, he was always very, he always wanted to be involved in whatever everybody else was doing.

Absolutely.

Always. Even when he was in school, I can remember he always would.

But I noticed that on the campouts, he would go and stand there sometimes and he'd like, he wanted to

stay high or introduce himself or whatever, but he'd be uncomfortable doing it. But I would not go in

and I would just kind of observe, you know, and yeah, but he was doing that at a young age already

when he was like, probably in his early teens. Right. And he got that start on the campouts.

So it was pretty interesting to see what, watch that. But he did that through observation of

seeing what like a Shelby was doing or Hayden Smith, you know, when they would go on some of the

campouts and post it Marco correct. Yeah. And the Willoughby's, you know, the Willoughby boys,

they were all and they were very embracing of the autism. They were so cool. Yeah.

I know. So that's what was so great about it is it is the parents and the kids all were very

accepting. I mean, the kids didn't care. But, you know, the neurotypical kids, they didn't care,

you know, the autism or kids were there. So yeah, it was great. It was wonderful. And so life was

going along pretty good. And then we, you know, we bought the like house because we just kind of

felt like it was, well, we decided we love, we do love like life. I mean, I do. We love

like life. And we decided that it would be sort of a vacation that we could utilize as a family

where we didn't have to worry about the autism thing or, you know, we should always have some

place to go and take Jake and, you know, give him a break, give me a break. Yeah, definitely.

So that was that was kind of what we did for a number of years is, you know, you would take him

on the weekends, go to the like house and hang out and do like house things. And, you know,

ride jet ski. And that was kind of a continuation after the why I've not doing those campouts. It

kind of was an extension of that because, you know, then I'm taking the boys golfing and, you know,

doing stuff and the boats and, you know, before we got a boat, we, you know, had the jet skis.

And then it would also sometimes rent boats too. Yeah. Yeah. It was really good. And I think we

wanted to, we wanted to raise Jake and I always wanted Jake to have exposure to an active lifestyle.

And so we always tried to really just let him do pretty much everything. And he's very much

a daredevil. So he's not really afraid to do anything at all. And so yeah. And we still have the

lake house. We love the lake house. We, I think we're getting to the point now where we're sort of

downsizing life a little bit. But so we're still kind of deciding what we're going to do with that

lake house. But we might be renting it out. If anyone knows anyone who might be interested in

North Shore Lake Travis, we have a beautiful lake house. It is a really pretty house. It's

very rustic up on a hill and you can see the lake. And it's very, very nice. It's a, you feel,

definitely feel like you're on vacation. Oh, absolutely. It's hard to work out there when,

even though I'm set up to work out there remotely, it's hard to focus. I mean, I think you,

you want to, you want to retire out there? I think that you will. I like Jones Town. And I love

the fact how close it is to everything. Like because, because log goes another 20, 25 minutes,

you know, to get like to point venture and be down at that part of the lake. It's quite a ways.

And so you're that much closer and you're still on like Travis, you know, it's actually faster to

get there by boat. And so anyway, but it's, you're close enough to Austin and Cedar Park. It's got

everything you can imagine. Yeah. I, I, I, um, I like Jones Town too. And I, I like log go. I think

log goes a very cute little town and everything. And, um, the thing that I don't like is the traffic

and the drive in from there because there's only really one way in and one way out at this point.

And it's, um, literally, there's accidents on that road daily. Like every day, I'm like,

people are like, how's 1431? Is it open? Is it, you know, because literally, there's like,

acts, and when there's an accident, it shuts down that whole road. And so, and plus two,

it just seems very dangerous. It's very windy. It's pretty. It's pretty drive. I like driving it.

It just scares me like at night. I'm getting to be an old granny. So it's, it's only that two

miles stretch you have coming out of Cedar Park that, but it is treacherous that two miles or so

two miles. It's not very long to get from Cedar Park to Jones Town, but it is a pretty hairy

stretch. And it's even horrible when it's like ice and stuff. You're not going anywhere all

as hills. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like I love the fact that we could like go to the lucky rabbit

and like walk home from a bar, stumble, stumble, stumble home after seeing live music and drink

in at several bars and restaurants there. And you're like, you know, you just walk home.

I kind of debated, you know, because we did live out there for like a summer because we were

doing renovations. That's right. Here. And so we did stay out there in, um, Covid summer. Covid

summer. Yeah. And I, I don't know. I never felt the feeling of home there. Um, even though

there's things that I do like about it, but there's also a lot of things that I don't like about

it. And mainly I would miss my friends and my little circle of people. I mean,

this lives on my street. And, you know, and when would I see my people? I would have to make new

friends. And I'm kind of getting. So you got Larissa all the way up there up. I know, but she's

even still would be far from there, you know, but anyway, um, I don't know. We're still kind of

trying to decide we're sort of newly empty nesters. So we're not really, we don't know what we're

going to do yet. That's true. So, so I feel like I want to talk about, um, sort of the next chapter

of of our life, which was, I feel like pandas and pans was our next chapter of our life. But

I feel like that we sort of need to make this a two-parter. Absolutely. Cause it's kind of long

and I don't want, you know, this is a lot, a lot of talking for you. I know that's the most

of sad and probably a week. I know. This is the most I've seen of you in like a month. But, um,

but yeah, I think we should do a part two and we'll go into more, some more details about,

you know, some of the things that we've been dealing with over the last 10 years.

I think I think we pretty much covered the first 10 years. I think so. So how, what would you rate

the first 10 years with me on a scale of one to 10? Oh, I put it at a 10.

Um, a 12.

That was the first 10 years. The last 10 years might be a lot less score. So we'll have to,

like Steve said, average it, average it together. And that's what you get. So, okay. Well,

I think, um, we're going to end it right here and stay tuned because we are going to have a part

two of Kim and Egon, our life story together. And I hope you will tune back in and hear what happens.

And thanks, honey. I sure don't prom anytime. I love you. Bye, y'all.

All right, in my first clearly, we underestimated how much content two people can accumulate when they've

built a whole life together. Apparently, Egon and I do not know how to tell a short story.

So if you're sitting there thinking, wait, what about, what about this? Don't worry. We're not done

yet. Not even close. Part two is coming. So stay tuned. Make sure you're subscribed and we'll

see you back here next week to finish the saga. Love you. Mean it.