EMBARRASSING: Bryan Hodgson TURNS DOWN Syracuse Basketball | Has the Program COLLAPSED?

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Brian Hodson turns down Syracuse or Syracuse turns down Brian Hodson.

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We don't care.

We do have to ask this question, though.

Is Syracuse broke?

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So the report came out last night Tuesday, March 17th for multiple outlets.

Jeff Goodman was first on it.

Adam Sagoria backed him.

And now you're seeing it circulating all online.

So it's official.

Brian Hodson has turned down the Syracuse job or Syracuse has turned down the Brian,

has turned down Brian Hodson.

We don't know.

It doesn't really matter to me.

Probably doesn't really matter to you much either.

Neil, I have a confession to make before I turn it over to you.

There's a reason why I didn't record last night.

The reason why I didn't record last night is because I know if I hit that record button,

I was going to say something on there that I was probably going to regret.

So I needed about 12 hours to at least sleep on this before we can actually talk about it here on Lockdown Syracuse

to actually make it listenable or watchable for you all.

So Neil, tell me why I should not be pissed at what is going on right now.

Man, I feel like I need to give you like a hug or something.

I feel like I need to just hug people, you know, like everyone's.

Well, some people obviously want to want to mock or someone else.

So they're not like upset by this news.

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Um, you know, when I were freeing from writing about it on inside the Laos last night,

mainly because I also not because I'm saying that Jeff Goodman or Adam Zagoria are inaccurate.

I was just trying to kind of like get a feel of what the situation is exactly.

And the only thing I can was able to confirm is that Hodgson is out of the running.

Uh, and there could be multiple scenarios here and I haven't been able to pin that down.

And I think ultimately like you just said, it doesn't necessarily matter.

It's kind of like when Syracuse misses out on a Jordan Smith or a five star crew.

Okay, you talk about it for a few minutes and then that's it.

But in terms of Hodgson, um, it could be that he flat out turned them down.

And there could be many reasons why it could be that Syracuse has found a candidate they like better.

It also could be that there was some negotiations, whether with Hodgson or his agent, about his salary, about NIL budget.

And maybe like Syracuse has a certain ceiling, I guess, ceiling.

And, and, and at that point, it went above that.

And who knows, it's all speculation.

Um, certainly a lot of people on social media and in chat rooms are just like, you know, oh my god Syracuse can't even get a western New York native like Brian.

Hodgson who grew up a huge coups fan and, and, and now he's either staying itself forward and they might be putting a lot throwing a lot of money at him.

Like Josh first is saying, Lewis, so that might be enticing.

But oh gosh, we're losing to Providence Providence Providence.

Look, I'm not saying Providence has been very good on recent years, but dude, it's, you know this just as well as me, even better.

It's all about money.

And so like Syracuse, even though they haven't been as relevant in the ACC or nationally, it's still like a brand, so to speak.

Maybe a more well-known brand among common basketball fans than Providence, but a Providence has 10, 12, 14 million, whatever the number is, I feel like Goodman was reporting what 10 or 11, I don't know whatever north of 10.

But Syracuse reportedly and no one at Syracuse will say this in their private, so we don't know.

But you know, 7, 8, maybe 9, but like 8 is. So if it's a couple more million at Providence for the roster and Hodgson is getting offered more money himself to or maybe more money for the staff, whatever.

It's great that he was a Syracuse fan growing up, but yeah, maybe he did turn them down. So what, what does it say to me or what, what, what, what is my, what are my emotions right now?

Most definitely in the Hodgson camp.

I think part of it is, it's a money thing. He might stay at South Florida and then bet on himself for another season.

People are saying it just is another example of where the Syracuse program is.

Okay. And yeah, sure, it could potentially be Jean Mack or someone else, but listen, it's not Hodgson. So we can talk about it on your pod and then we'll move on, right?

I mean, and I just don't know the ins and outs of, you know, Goodman's talking about kind and Anthony and retaining him and maybe not everyone wants to retain him and what's mellows and I'm not saying Goodman said this about mellow, but what's Carmelo's influence and other other stakeholders with their, you know, putting, putting stuff in there.

So the heck knows, man.

It's just a bad look.

Yeah, I think from an optics stand exactly. I think it's just a bad look and people and then I want you to actually get to talk.

People don't fully understand like, I mean, the general fan don't, they don't fully understand all the ins and outs, the revenue, the sharing, the third party NIL, all that stuff.

They don't get it. So they just say, oh gosh, you know, a relatively local guy who clearly, you know, was accused of growing up and we couldn't get him.

It's a terrible look because this was supposed to be a slam dunk.

This was supposed to be easy.

This was like who says who?

I mean, like, I guess that again, it just speaks to how far Syracuse is falling.

This was 10 years ago, Brian Hodson with all due respect to him is not even a candidate for the Syracuse job.

I don't know why because Syracuse 10 years ago would be looking at their head coach opening and they would be out targeting some of the best high major coaches for Josh shirts would be by far and away.

Like he's the only mid major coach that he would settle for.

It's not like I like Brian Hodson.

I do think he's a good coach and he's got potential. So I don't want to minimize him.

No, especially because I'm mad at all this. I'm not mad at him. I'm a man more at the school.

Look, this was a guy who was at Arkansas State for two years did well there.

He's at USF right now. Obviously he's doing really well. He's got his team gearing up to play Louisville in the NCAA tournament in round one took over that program did a great job.

All that great, great stuff, right?

Right.

That should be attainable. That type of coach should be attainable for a high major program like Syracuse.

We're not it would be great if Syracuse go out and get TJ Alzelberger from Iowa State.

That would be terrific or if they can go get, you know, some other high major head coach or they can even go get Josh shirts more on him in a second because I think he was actually the warning sign for this entire thing.

You couldn't get Brian Hodson to say yes.

You couldn't get Brian Hodson who was in your backyard.

And now he's still considering well, maybe he'll return to USF for another year.

Maybe he'll go to Providence.

I'm sorry, you know, I can't look at this in a positive light and say, oh, yeah, this is all that.

I just the only point I'm trying to trying to make here is that at least me and I haven't seen other reports out there that have provided a lot of clarity about who really turned who down or what, you know, what, what, what are the reasons why he turned down Syracuse if he turned.

And it's a move point at this point because like he just turned it down and that's just the way it is. But, um, who knows, it's speculation, I agree, it's not a great look.

And to your point, there's not a lot of, yes, 10 years ago when Syracuse was winning at least 27 games every year or not 10 years ago, because that was 2016.

But like that 09 to 14 stretch, they won 27 games every year or more.

Number one rankings, number one seeds and a lead eight, a final four, probably could add another chip if not for injuries.

Yeah, they would have been looking at like top level.

Well, it's just, it's not a great pool either. And like, you're not going to get another high major coach to make like a lateral move unless they were just fired like a Stodemire or an Earl Grant or a Bobby Hurley.

I'm not suggesting those dudes.

I'm not.

No, here's the thing.

The only thing with Bobby Hurley.

That might be the best that they could do.

The only thing that Bobby Hurley is.

He coached a Buffalo. He's from New Jersey. So he knows the Northeast.

And I know his record, especially in recent, he took Arizona State to the 20 a couple of times.

It's not like they probably have a lot of great financial resources from a basketball program perspective and they're competing in the big 12, which is loaded.

So I'm not suggesting Bobby should be a candidate or is I'm just.

But yeah, it's there's not a great point to your point.

And I think Adam Finkelstein with 24 seven sports, CBS sports, or maybe Syracuse just isn't that desirable.

It's kind of a job because as Goodman said, the NIL budget is not aligned with the expectations.

The money spear and the expectations are up here.

That's what he said.

I'm going to. Here's what we're going to do.

Yeah.

Great point you just made.

Yeah.

I'm going to get this to break because we do have to do breaks here unlocked on Syracuse.

And then I'm going to respond to that comment.

That's not good.

All right.

I'm down with anything, man.

Just take a deep breath.

Take a deep breath.

Coming up here on locked on Syracuse.

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Jackson, those are locked on Syracuse.

Thank you so much, Neil Adler from Inside the Loudhouse for trying to calm me down here on this show and try to calm down many of us Syracuse fans who are unhappy that Brian Hodson for whatever reason decided to turn down the Syracuse job.

And I have a hard time believing it's because Syracuse is going to go out and try to hire someone that is even better than Brian Hodson.

But that's a happily proven wrong about it.

That's right.

I left off the podcast by saying that I wanted to respond to your previous comment.

Can you remind people what your previous comment was?

Well, it wasn't my comment.

It was Jeff Goodman's comment in his pod earlier this week, which I wrote about, you know, piggybacked off for a column on Inside the Loudhouse.

And maybe it was last week. He's mentioned it a couple of time on different pods.

Anyway, recently, it was basically him questioning or saying some potential hand head coaching candidates for the Syracuse vacancy might be turned off scared off, not interested.

I really don't know how to describe it, how you want to characterize it.

Because what the NIL budget was last year, what it's expected to be this year, where that is does not align with what the expectations are from Syracuse brass about the program.

And yeah, I mean, that's that's a fair thing. Syracuse, they expect to be playing for meaningful games in March and Wildex said all that jazz.

are now. It's not just about recruiting, you know, great recruits to the high school

over in the portal. It's about money. So take a breath and then respond, brother.

My response is, do people already know that the expectations that Syracuse have already been

significantly lowered? Well, I guess part of it is, is not to cut you off, but

like, who's, who's frame of reference? Who's point of view are we talking about? Like,

I think you and me as quasi media people or whatever talking heads, we might have different

expectations based just on reality versus what the SU leadership believes should be the expectations.

Yeah. My response is John Wildhack went on, went on radio. The broadcast to everyone.

This was last year around this time. Yeah. The expectation is to play meaningful games in March.

Right. And then a few weeks ago, he clarified by saying it was to, you know, like be on the bubble

for the NCAA tournament, not even to make the tournament. Right. That's not our expectation.

I think the fan expectation, which is make the tournament is, is higher than what the Syracuse

brass is. You're telling me that the expectations at Syracuse are too high. That's what they are.

Because I'm not even going to say let's go back 10 years ago. Let's go back like five years ago,

right before the the tournament drought, right before it was about to start.

At that point in time, it was, you know, making the NCAA tournament was still considered a

bare minimum expectation, even though Syracuse was consistently for the past few years,

been on the bubble come bar. Right. They were still getting, you looked at and said,

go to the NCAA tournament. See what we can do. Yeah. You want to go 10 years ago.

The expectation was compete for national championships. Right. Now the expectation is

meaningful games in March, meaningful, not make the tournament meaningful games.

The expectations at this university have already been lowered significantly. How much more

lower would they like them to be? What, how much lower do you want? Like go above 500?

Is that what we're supposed to ask for now? Is that what we're supposed to be okay with?

Hey, if we go above 500 this year, like we like football, that's okay. That's pretty good.

That's a solid season. We didn't come close to making the NCAA tournament, but you know, we,

we were, you know, one game of a five, we got to go 50, we got to go 17 and 14 this year. So we

should all be happy about it. Is that what it is now? Yeah. No, I don't think that's what it is.

And I agree with you. I think part of the dilemma for, you know, whether it's Wildhack or the new

AD, like to have a five year drought and then be like, okay, now our expectation, it's not just

to get back to the NCAA tournament. It's to be like we were in 2012 where we went 30 and one in

the regular season. Who's asking that? Yeah. No, I know. I just, it's like, yes, the expectation

should be that they're in the top half of the ACC and like winning games in the ACC tournament

and winning more than 20 games in a regular season. And there's no sweating selections Sunday. Those

should be the bare minimum expectations. That doesn't mean they have to go 27 and 4 in the regular

season and be a one seed. But like this nonsense 18 and 13 crap, like excuse my language 19 and

like, no, you should be 20 to 22 wins every year. Regular season. Here's the thing though. I under,

I understand. That wasn't even the expectation for this season. I know. It sounds like he's brass.

Maybe from us. Yeah, because he definitely talked about, oh, well, you know, the margin for

errors, then, but you know, they could get on the bubble with a deep run in the ACC tournament.

And that made it sound like indirectly at least he was suggesting if they get close to the bubble,

maybe I will retain Audrey. And like, and again, no disrespect to red and I wish him well,

but that's over and done with now. But like, now, man, come on. Come on. People are, I just don't,

I hate that narrative that people are turned off because of the expectations at Syracuse.

As if they didn't give Adrian Audrey three years, as if they didn't give him another year

after the worst Syracuse season since before the moon landing. Like, what do you mean the

expectations need to be lowered? They're, they're already significantly lowered from the peak.

They're no longer a team that we expect anymore to go to the final four. We understand that. That's,

that is ways away from now. Yeah, I'm just scrolled as miles ahead. You're not even talking about

Mount Everest. You're talking about climbing Mount Everest twice, like back to back. That's what you're

talking about right now to get to a final four expectation. Yeah, no, that's not even at the point,

but, but I mean, they should be, they should, well, a couple of things. Number one, yes, they should

be like not sweating out selections on days. This should be winning 20 plus games and regular seasons

in my opinion. The other thing is they should like be playing like good defense and like having an

offense that flows and like, and the main thing for me is even when you, okay, fine, you lose to

a number two seed in the NCAA tournament Houston at a neutral site by four points and over time.

Fine, you could have won that game. But like, at least you hung tough with the cougars. Don't lose

to Haustra and BC and pit at home. And don't, this annoys me more than the losses that annoy me

the most sometimes are when they just get absolutely blown out and outhustled in the second half

of blowout losses. Like that's ridiculous. That is unacceptable. And you know, you're absolutely

annihilated at NC State when NC State was a first 14, like losing to Haustra at home,

losing to Boston College. Maybe that's what Syracuse is now. Maybe we're just Boston College. And

maybe we just have to accept it. Like I, I don't know what to say. Like it's tough to tell me

after this news. And this is why it's really upsetting at the end of the day is you tell me how

now I'm supposed to believe that Syracuse has a trick up its sleeve. I'd be happily proven wrong.

I'd be happy to. But at this point, and maybe we can talk about it coming up here on

Lockdown Syracuse. Okay. So this is a good tease. It doesn't, if they hire Jerry McNamara and he

seems like now he is the clear and definitive favorite, maybe because he was their first choice

or their second choice. It's probably going to be because Jerry McNamara might be the only

person on planet earth who's willing to take the Syracuse job. That might be what it is right now.

So coming up on Lockdown Syracuse, I guess we could talk about that. And the ramifications of

this very quickly because spoiler alert, I'm going to do a future show with Jordan Kaposi. And

we're going to also talk about what's next for Lockdown Syracuse have to Brian Hodgson turns

them down. So basically to summarize everything for you, this is the one podcast where we're going to

rant about this. And then we are going to move on. I promise you all we're not going to rant for days.

Okay. This is the one show we're going to rant. We're going to get it all of our system.

And then we're going to move on with the next show with Jordan Kaposi. So Neil, thank you so much

for being the sacrificial lamb and having to hear and talk through this entire debacle with what

is going on with Syracuse and how it seemed like it's all good. I'm here for your brother. I'm the

I'm the best. Thank you. Thank you so much, Neil. All right. Coming up on Lockdown Syracuse, I

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Locked on Syracuse some Jackson holes or that's Newell Adler from inside the Loud House we can

talk about the ramifications of Syracuse somehow botching Brian Hodgson and not being able to land

him and him still considering staying at USF we're going to Providence and before we actually talk

about the ramifications I want to call back to what I was talking about earlier. Josh Schertz was

really the whole warning sign in this whole thing he really was when he signed a long term deal or

agreed to the long term I don't know if it's in sign agreed to let me make sure I'm going to

yeah yeah he agreed to stay at St. Louis instead of going to Syracuse and that should have been

the warning that's why it's hard to think that they're pivot assuming that Brian Hodgson was

their first option he probably was at this point right is going to be someone equal or even better

than I know people are bringing up the VCU head coach I just don't I would like it I think it

honestly would be on the level of Brian Hodgson yep but I don't think that it's realistic at this

point so the ramification of this entire thing and Newell I think you would agree with me on this

I would be shocked if the head coach is not Jerry McNamara and you know how the university is

going to spin it but here's the reality it's going to be Jerry McNamara assuming it is him because

he's the only guy willing to take the job well I don't think he's the only guy out there in the

history of the planet that is willing to take the job I think among I would take the job because

I'll take the paycheck you be the head coach I will be your your water boy it'll be great I love

water H2O is great you're the new lead style congratulate yes awesome I can't wait to go to the

UIVL peach jam I'm sure there's some people out there would take the job it's just a question of

people that Syracuse brass are interested in would they take the job you know I'm saying like

and I I have not been able to nail I hear rumors rumblings about multiple candidates being

interviewed I know GMAC is definitely a candidate but you know you hear names like like film art

telly junior or Luke Murray the Yukon assistant or she he in all the way or John Grocey at

Akron you mentioned Olsenberger come on a young at Yukon Hopkins who am I missing anyone I let you

know but those are just names that are like some might have gotten a call from SU or their agents

might have gotten a call who's been interviewed I don't 100% know if I did I would tell you but I

know GMACs to candidate I'm sure that there are I'm pretty sure that there are multiple other

candidates but the one thing I will say to you Jackson I know I know I don't I don't I don't think

they can get them yeah it's possible again we don't know that this job is that desirable based on

some of the factors that we just talked about but I will tell you with the AD search you know there

were certain people that were mentioned out there in the public space as being candidates whether

it was Nick Carperelli did I butcher his name Heather Lake or even some others but you know whose

name wasn't mentioned in any reports that I'm aware of prior to that Brian Blair and I was told

by someone who 100% knows that just just that you know in terms of Blair he wasn't out there in

the public space and so this person said to me Neil just keep that in mind for the basketball

search it might not be that way but it could end up be you know we thought it might be Hodgkin we

thought it might be GMAT we think it might we think it will be GMAT likely but maybe there's just

a little sliver of a nugget little tidbit here that maybe it could ultimately be someone that

hasn't been mentioned at all I'm not saying that's the case and I have no idea who that is but I'm

just saying that that was put in my ear because of the AD search two different searches I understand

I understand yeah it's not that I'm ruling it out it's who would it be who like who is he like

you're gonna tell me that you're getting brand brown now to come over from Clemson like right

doing that that's not Brad Stevens no Billy Donovan no you're gonna go get T.J. Altsenberger I don't

think so no way I think what the wrench in this whole thing is well I think it's the most likely

plausible scenario is the lack of resources so you're gonna tell me that Brian Hodgson is gonna

turn down Syracuse because the lack of resources but they're gonna be able to find someone out there

who's equal to if not better than Brian Hodgson as a candidate that is going to take the job

I don't think so I agree with you I think that's that's the dilemma so it's like assuming that premise

which I think is a fair thing to assume maybe the the the name that we're not thinking of is

legitimately a name that we don't know and by that I mean it's it could be just some random

assistant that we haven't heard about like it's not even Luke Murray it's not Kamani young from

Yukon it's not those of you know hot sexy names right right it's someone from a different staff

that we haven't heard of and maybe that person can be great I mean Miami did it with Jay Lucas

but it's just you you tell me how we're supposed to get better than Brian Hodgson who's on the

market and I'm not saying that Brian Hodgson is is you know I don't name any other great code

yeah he's Tom is always the next you know John Geier or whatever the case sure no Brian Hodgson

may not work out for any school that gets him and that's no disrespect he is you know of course

he became to Syracuse you know he may not have worked out that's his three-ality and if they

hire GMAC it could work out for Syracuse it doesn't matter because all of it matters at the end of

the day is well they just have to win that's all we really care about just win all this other

noise but the money situation is a legitimate concern and it's just kind of like

it's kind of tricky timing because they literally just hired their AD last week and he's not

even officially on the job yet like it like officially as the replacement until July 1

I know John Wildhack I mean you know people will say the people that you know destroy the Syracuse

program and everything like that you know like people love to put in Jim Bayhime there and he

definitely botched the way he went out and but here's the thing with Jim Bayhime he won in 2003

and had four decades of success with Syria he's one losing season 47 years let's not give him I

will give him a break okay anything Bayhime yeah I'm going to give him a break okay people are

going to play Adrian archery and Adrian archery was certainly a part of it he ate the problem it was

John Wildhack the entire time John Wildhack screwed Syracuse well I look at it right now okay that's

I mean I look I I could sit here and talk about some things I think he did positively and question

other things he built a roller coaster on top of the dome congratulations that's his legacy hey

space mountain baby um but in terms of archery like you know he's got to take some the blame they

went 49 and 48 and I know two years ago the roster was a disaster and money was a factor but they

went 15 and 17 this year with that roster so like let's he he's not blameless but everything's not

on him either um and if people want to point the finger at Wildhack that's fine too but like look

all I can say is within the span of the last two weeks they've got a new chance or a new ad and now

we're looking for a new basketball coach and we'll just see what happens and if it ends up being

GMAC like I'm not gonna like I'm gonna support him I'm not gonna cry about it I've gone on record

saying he's not my top choice but I also like get the appeal but like for me it really is like the

money thing is something that it's just gonna have to be monitored because year to year how are they

gonna be six even if they have even if GMAC is a great coach and a better X's and those guys

than red or whatever you want to talk about in terms of those types of intangibles but if they don't

have the money like you know even Blair talked about in one of his interviews I don't remember

with Syracuse.com or somewhere he talks about you got a in essence like get as as much bang for

your buck as you can with the money you spend and I get all that and so they're not gonna be

Kentucky with $22 million but hopefully they can like not be Boston College like all the way

at the bottom like Bayheim said he said they were right there with Georgia Tech you know like I feel

like they should be somewhere in the middle like but we'll see I mean it's a it's a legit concern

and that's just the reality of the of the landscape we're in now and I don't know man part of me

feels like maybe there's a candidate out there like I feel like GMAC's a candidate and like maybe

one of the other guys that I mentioned uh you know and that you've talked about blah blah blah and

then maybe there's that third that is someone that we have no freaking clue who it is no clue

and you could be definitely right and I could definitely be Brian Hodson good luck if it is

I'll be happily sure yeah whoa whoa whoa we'll praise we'll give them praise if all of a sudden

you know we we get the notification hey Syracuse is nearing a deal with to get brown brown

L from Clemson or they're gonna go and they're they're poaching TJ Alsoburger from Iowa State or

you know I don't know some sort of snafu happened with Kentucky and Mark Pope they don't want them

anymore and now he comes over to here or maybe they go and get they get the own BYU coach right now

or you know what I'll even take Jericho hoon from Utah State I think you'd be great you know what

coach I'll take the VCU coach too yep I'll take the Akron coach yep it just goes back to my point of

if Brian Hodson turns you down because of lack of resources why is there any confidence that any of

these others yeah why would I have any sort of faith that you were gonna get someone that actually

is yeah so you're gonna end up with Jerry McNamara we all know how you're gonna spin it and of course

we have to support him because we have no choice because we have no control over it and we just have

to cross our fingers and hope he wins because if he wins we'll all be happy but you're hiring him

because he would be the only one willing to take the job and I'm not talking about well I would take

the job or Neil would take the job where you the fan would take the job he's the only one that would

take the job of any sort of reputable candidate out there maybe Mike Hopkins would take it as well

which side note I'll prefer Jerry McNamara much more over Mike Hopkins Neil final thoughts to you

take a breath subscribe to Jackson's awesome pod we should have clarity here in the next

week or two and let's just we can be bummed about Hodson if we want to be but let's let's see

how it plays out I appreciate you telling me to take a breath this was the show about ranting

the next show will be with Jordan Kaposi great guest and it will be a lot more civil

and we will try to figure out who the next head coach is going to be yeah now that it is not

Brian Hodson right and that will be the show where we're more level headed we can actually have a

more legitimate conversation about it but I'm just I'm just happy that we did this now and we didn't

do this last night because if it was last night if you thought that this was bad my reactions

might would have been theme coming out of Jackson it would have been significantly worse

I think I made the right decision yeah this wasn't we weren't you were simple we're just

got a little bit of emotion what's wrong with a little bit of them it's because we care Jackson

if we did if we're happy I think we care more than Syracuse cares I think that's well that's

that's all we'll save that for another day well hey look I like the chance they're higher I like

the 80 higher let's see let's see what we have this is all fluid and reports rumors and

tell Jordan that's out what's up no choice we're just gonna let them cook we're gonna we're

gonna wait for our meal I hope that it's not dog poop that's from inside the loudhouse jacks

and holes are locked on Syracuse you already heard about what the next show is going to be so folks

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