EMERGENCY POD: RIP Summer House (West & Amanda Full Discussion)

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It is an emergency brawfroze podcast because some serious shit just popped off that we need to discuss

Yeah, these assholes couldn't do it on a different week. We have to have seven fucking bravo shows going on at one time

It's like nah, we're gonna do this now. We're just gonna we're gonna release our joint statement, but says nothing

Amanda and West's scandal of all 2.0. Let's dive in

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Shoot lock homes

What's up, dude? Okay, yeah, I mean I would I would feel more like shoot lock homes if we were doing this before

Confirmation if we were just like yeah, you know, let's just throw a podcast together. We'll just talk about all the evidence to see what happens

It's all confirmed

Famous we would be if we had done that if we had just took a Hail Mary shot and been like here's our ideas like a month ago

A month ago would have been a good time, I think but this I mean this past week has been just a shit storm of evidence and

People firing things out and then there's reasonable doubt to come into play and then it's like is Duma a reliable source anymore because Duma

I was kind of turned into that AI Facebook poster where it's like

Hey, yeah, ship and pregnated a gator down in Florida

He's not paying child support and then you got all the idiots just commenting like wow, I knew he was a bad guy

That's kind of where it was leading here, but I'm just making the I've you seen the Facebook AI post that people fall for

It's incredible. It's unbelievable stuff up there. I'm assuming it's like the onion

It's not it's people

I think I were just taking away from all of this, but I'll explain it. It was

It's people that use Facebook posts and they just have AI right unbelievable stories like Sally's pregnant

Who's baby is it and it's Sally's not pregnant obviously and then there's thousands of comments with idiots online

They're like oh my god. I knew that you could do that like Jesus Christ anyway

But yeah, I mean this last week has been just an avalanche of evidence

It's been so many different things pointing and then you have a lot of people it kind of reminded me of the secret episode from stranger things

Sorry steel where people were looking at all this different evidence like is it good to go here? No, actually it's an April Fool's joke

Actually, it's a Buffalo Wild Wings campaign. No, it's not it's exactly what we thought it was and just goes to prove you once again that

When there's smoke there is fire especially in the Bravo universe

Yeah, I do have to point out two things one

I almost burned this hat to make a funny real years ago

But something told me I would need it again and what better time to break out my lightning bolt Tom Tom hat

Then for this event because I mean obviously some of the parameters are different and we'll discuss all of that

Those a little bit because I don't I'm not calling it scandival 2.0. I think it's scale. Yes

Yeah, exactly is bad. Yes, but all the parameters are very different

I don't even want to talk. It's a whole new thing

It is a whole and I look the Bravo universe has been hungry for something that rival scandal ball here

You have it. This is exactly what it is. I want to find a new name for it though because we definitely need a new name

But the placeholder is definitely

Yeah, now that's that's what we already used for Amanda friends boring like it will come up

That's going to be part of this show is trying to figure out a name

And I agree it needs its own thing but for the time being everyone understands what I'm saying

when you say scandival 2.0 and

My big thing my other thing I need to point out I got to give her credit

Dev called this

A long time ago before there was chatter about this Dev was on it

I think it was either last year or episode one of this season

She saw weird interaction. She said to me

Amanda and West are hooking up and I was like, you're nuts. No way. That's ridiculous

This is going to be West redemption season. He would never and she would absolutely never

To Sierra that would be insane Amanda doesn't have that inner that leads me to my first question

Okay, and I went live with our Instagram followers before this and

They had all the questions in the world as well, but my question to you

Have we been so blinded by Kyle, you know, it's so easy to pinpoint things where it's like they're drinking

You know going out to DJing all of the shenanigans that he does

Have we been so blinded by that that there actually have been things that Amanda's been doing

Maybe not in sense with the West stuff

But just overall where this shouldn't be as shocking as it is, but we just didn't look deep enough

I mean, yeah, definitely. I don't

This season is going to get a little it's going to go haywire of course

And this is one of my least favorite things about scandals like this and you know

We even talked about it a little bit with Amanda and Kyle breaking up before the season. Oh god this whole thing's a wash

That it's going to turn into a free for all where people are trying to just key in on certain things that happen

Bravo editors are of course in the lab. I'm sure looking through all their footage trying to find anything that points the West

And Amanda potentially hooking up before Kyle and Amanda broke up

Which I'm sure will be a whole segment of this episode

But it's one of my least favorite things because it just scraps the whole season like every other storyline that we have going on

See you later in the city probably see you later to be honest

It's just kind of it's a big shadowy cloud that's just going to hang with us until we get to filming

Which is another segment that we're going to have to talk about where's the show go from here because I think the whole show just crumbles

Because all of the good hope all of the good karma that we've been building up this great cast that seems really

Variator to why it's apparently where it gets to a point. It's just like how do we even move forward?

It can see air and move forward like all of those things are going to have to be discussed

I think you go back even deeper. I think you go back to and a lot of people are circulating that

The footage of I forget it was like season six with jewels where jewels basically calls out Amanda for not having any trust

It's like how can I trust you? Well, how can I trust you? You let Kyle still in your relationship and he's been cheating on you

So you're not very trustworthy. You can look back in the vault if you will of summer house and look at all the different

Reasonings that you can come up with with Amanda and say yeah, you're not really a girl's girl

Yeah, you're always going to sympathize with the male. Yeah, you're going to do this

Yeah, you're going to do that those things short go forward if you have the time go back and do all those things

Yes, we're going to see things we're going to see things like that'll just smack us over the head much like we did and again

I'm not calling it scat of all but

Going back and looking at that season of the PR. It's like yeah, of course. It was there the entire time

We just weren't looking for it

Yeah, and I like obviously that's always going to be

a counterpart or a part of this then a counterpart

Side note banana

That thing I just sent you actually is helpful. It's it's a just a little

tab of what

The receipt is where it came from and when so it's like page six said on march this

So you need to pull directly and it's in chronological order. So that's probably the easiest thing to use out of everything but yeah

That does become the issue right we we have to sift through a lot of bullshit

It's like when the police put a tip line out and they're like call in if you see this person

They get like a billion hits just because people want to join the fun

So yes, we're going to look

Probably too deeply into some one off moments where it's like what do you mean by that?

There are things that we're pulling up from the past where it is starting to paint a different picture

Most notably for me and I forget whose page it was on and I'm very sorry. I'm not giving you credit

So much content today. I know it's hard to keep track

But it was do you remember I think it was two years ago two or three seasons ago

They were playing a drinking game Daniel was still on the show and the question was who do you trust the least?

Yeah, and she thought about it for a while

She's like oh because she's a curveball. You never know what you're going to get a manda

And I specifically distinctly remember sitting here with you and saying that's a ridiculous thing to say

Like why would she even say that

But you start to put that shit together. That's the stuff. I'm paying attention to what other people have said about her on the show

Jewels Danielle. I forgot Hannah

Hannah, obviously Hannah, I feel like she's on top of the world right now, but

In that scene where Danielle says I don't trust Amanda at least trustworthy on the cast

Lindsey co-signed and it's such a quick like boop

It's a quick camera shift that she just says I agree really fast and then it moves on

I didn't see that part

Lindsey co-signs it so everyone on the cast seemingly has known this about Amanda

But there's a third part to that scene

Kyle

Is hammered, but he's also like wait can we dig more into that please and that perked his year up

And it could have been that he was drunk and they're talking shit about his wife and he's like wait

What do you mean by that? But to me

Hindsight, obviously, it seemed like he was like wait, what do you mean? Has he heard things before? Has he had

Suspissions before is this like

Ah, this is what happens when this shit happens. It's like you go back. It's like oh my god. What did they know? What didn't they know?

But that scene to me really sticks out because that was 2023

Yeah, the the summer of 2020 or not. I guess it was the summer of 2022 aired in 2023. Whatever. That was a long time ago

and even back then

Amanda labeled these trustworthy in the group with a Lindsey co-sign the Lindsey co-sign is where I was really like oh shit

That seems like it's important

Yeah, no for sure and I do think when you go back and look at all of that

There have been a lot of different things that have been said about it

Yeah, not being a girls girl not being trustworthy

But it doesn't mean that it goes to this level. That's the big girl right yeah sure

Yeah, I mean look if she's floating around and she's single now and she's hooking up with Luke or she's yeah

That's the other part to me. It's just fucking bewildering you live in New York you were getting

What would probably be close to what Ariana got after scandal all you were gonna get that kind of glow up

I mean you're hot you've got a lot of things going for you everybody's looking at Kyle like fuck that guy

And again none of this excuses any of Kyle's behaviors

He's gonna get off so easy because the reunion's just gonna be peppering West and Amanda the whole time

So whatever leave Kyle out of this whole thing Amanda was destined for

Whether she deserved it or not some sort of meteoric spike where she was just gonna rise to a super stardom

Everybody was gonna look at her. She's gonna get all these brand deals. Everything goes kaput

I mean even today a brand posted and it was some sort of clothing brand and it had Amanda as the face of the brands

Which is incredibly funny in the caption like

You know, it's just like any other day or something along those lines

And then 10 minutes later immediately remove the post

reposted and cut Amanda's face out so still used her body

But I've removed Amanda's face which is just very funny and of course you know the way things work the internet stays forever

So you'll never really get away from that. It's all about how you balance back

So to think that she had all of this in the bag ready to go you live in New York

You could go date like a fucking football star a basketball star a model whoever the hell you wanted

And instead you settle for somebody in the inner circle not only

Do you settle for and you know west is west

You settle for west out of all of those things and not only that

It's the it's your best friend. You're supposed best friend's ex who she has all these feelings for

And that's another thing that I'm gonna get into is going into all of this with all the evidence

It's piling up. It's piling up. You know that it's gonna happen. You know that all this is gonna break

You start thinking about okay like at the very least. It's just fucking lame as hell

At most you burned your best friends and this is really fucking shitty and you deserve all this smoke

You have to think like all right

Maybe we didn't see some things maybe at the end of the seasons here

I'm west sit down and they just decide to be friends and this isn't really that bad

But again, it's just incredibly lame

No, all of that goes out the window

You did actually burn your best friend to do this to settle with west in the biggest fucking city in the country

Where you could have probably had any man that you wanted you went to west and did all of these things

So you get absolutely no sympathy from anybody you get skewered west is gonna get a little less skewered

But a man that should probably get the most skewered in this whole situation

I agree. I mean west

Very close second like I don't think that he's going to just because

You know, it paints the whole season differently you go back to that scene of them arguing in him in the bathroom

And it's like that's knowing what we know now like how wild the inappropriate that

Not only that, but Mia, KJ and Sierra all having a very open heart conversation

About what it's like being black on reality TV

What it's like being a minority on reality TV and all the things that you have to do

You didn't think about any of that are you fucking kidding me?

Well, even more specifically in that conversation

Such a big part of the fallout that Sierra received was DMs about getting quote-unquote punked by a white boy

Yep

Like that that's such a major part and it's interesting because I posted a reel about this and

Multiple of our followers pointed out that that part of this entire thing, which is 100% valid

And it's there's other people and they're obviously being idiots where it's like off with that adulting to do with it

That absolutely has everything to do with it because I mean it would have regardless

But the fact that that conversation occurred on this show recently

Means that this has everything to do with it because now

Sierra

Is going to potentially get DMs about getting punked by both West and Amanda to white people like that was the root of

Why she was so upset is because of the fallout that she got from the black community

So for you to say that that's not part of this is ridiculous. It absolutely is and that is such a different layer of

West and Amanda like just not caring right like that's where I

Don't have any sympathy. I don't have any sympathy regardless

But you start to put the pieces together and the layers to this thing. It's like wow

At the very least Amanda you are besties with Sierra West you were really close with Sierra and you guys knew this

Mia and KJ and Sierra did a great job of explaining it very straightforward

You knew this and you still were too selfish to check your own inhibitions like

Absolutely not and that's one of

50 things

That you refuse to acknowledge in the pursuit of this quote-unquote relationship not to mention as you said

Amanda you threw this all away for West my big thing with that

You tapped out on Kyle because he partied too much drank too much party boy lifestyle. You didn't like that

That's hard to believe now

Because you just married a young or sorry not married Jesus you just got with and are dating they better get married

I know seriously, but it's a it's a younger version of Kyle

That cannot commit that's how this is gonna go. I think Amanda is gonna be all in genuinely

West is gonna burn her after I don't know how long but that's how this ends they do need to get married

This whole thing should just end and and that was one thing that they touched on and

Pucking in their little

Their joint post which is very funny that Amanda had a joint post with Kyle about ending their marriage

Now you're in another joint post six months later with West about ruining your friendship with Sierra about clowning her

About just clowning her in the public eye and doing all of this bullshit under her nose

And that's the other part of it too like we didn't know leading up to it when all the evidence is piling up

Like does Sierra know is it already kind of there? No like everything kind of points to over the last 10 days

That Sierra realizable was going on and that's why the Amazon live fell apart

That's why she wasn't liking any of the pictures and now today she unfollowed both of them

So this is all news to her too

So she's finding out with the rest of us

Which is even more fucked up and then how far back does it actually go now?

We're getting news from fucking Dave Portnoy that him and Brianna chicken fries sat down at the Super Bowl

And she said yeah, West and Sierra are hooking up West was posting pictures with Sierra at the Super Bowl

She didn't know about any of that so then how far back does this actually go then we get the smoke screen where it's like

No, actually Amanda's just hanging out with West a lot. She's hanging out with his friends

She might be hooking up with Aiden Blake, which is one of his close friends

There's pictures of the two of them holding hands

That's not that big of a deal that actually makes a lot of sense. They're a little bit closer and age

Okay, cool. That's a smoke screen the smoke screen actually worked for a little while like all right

Yeah, we're not thinking about West because we couldn't fathom that they would do this to Sierra

We couldn't fathom that they would play like that and it low and behold

They were and how long have they been doing it for probably since before the Super Bowl

Which is insane. They may have been doing this since the winter

They may have been doing this since the summer like we don't know how far back this goes

But it opens all those doors was she actually stepping out and obviously you know their marriage was their marriage

They're still married was she stepping out on Kyle to be with West was there more there again?

Not exonerating Kyle at all, but he said in the middle of that big fight and in the bathroom

She's been spending a lot more time with you than she has been with me. That's a polarizing statement now

All the sudden everything that's been said this whole summer going back to when they're still married

And they're not separated yet is fucking insane like is there more here? Is there a lot more there?

We don't know we may never find out but people will put their detective hats on and try to figure the whole thing out

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And actually after that quick break because steals daughter actually just heard the news

So now we've got babies cry about all the shit going on

I actually did more digging and I'm gonna

Retract my statement Sierra actually blocked both of them. So that is very different than just on following the simple and follow

Hey, the whole thing's just a cluster fucker. I mean

I don't is Montauk gonna be able to survive. I don't know. Yeah, that's that's the big question

I don't know, but I mean

I'd say it's Montauk. Yeah Montauk. Yeah nice. Well done. I like that. Yeah, it's pretty good

But one earlier

Yeah, Sierra

There's rumors out there that like

Somebody had let her know that they were gonna hard launch today that there was like inklings here there

I don't think that's true

I mean we all saw that picture of her sitting outside of what looked like a photo shoot or something like that

You know that this

Crustor and if you really think about it

Think about how many times

She sat in that bed

With Amanda how many times that we don't see during the off season where I'm sure they discussed west

Like that's where I keep going back to Amanda was Sierra's soundboard

When she was going through all the west stuff

I can't imagine knowing all of that and like that's how they're gonna spin this

And I already know how it's gonna come out. We didn't expect this to happen like west is just always there for me

And like one night they could just became something more no you are grown-ups your adults like this is called self-control

You don't burn your friend like that. I don't care if you're on reality TV Amanda

That is some slimy slimy shit because you know damn well

That Sierra told her all the things and you know damn well that Sierra's in love with that man

We said that all season we said that last year like that's what it's giving love

And I know Amanda knows that so there's no way that you can spin this. There's no romcom weird

Spin zone that you're gonna give me where I'm like, oh, you know what at the end of the day

No, nothing about this is cool. Nothing about this is okay. That's why

Like people are saying. Well, it's not scared of all the it's on the same level. It's different

I agree wholeheartedly. I know it's different different parameters different this different that

the fallout

And the the types of people involved

Like that's where this becomes similar because of the gravity of the situation

Yeah, and the other big part of this is there's reports out there that nobody on the cast knew

So nobody who was with the cast nobody who's been friends with them

They've been doing a lot of promos recently. They've been hanging out a lot recently

They didn't know and there's TMZ out there reporting the Kyle cook apparently

Asked West and Amanda a bunch of different times are the rumors true are the rumors true

They denied West went on watch what happens live last week very clunky response

But he denied Amanda went on a podcast a couple of weeks ago denied said that she would never touch anybody on the show

She even went on a different podcast. That was February 2026

By the way, that was what what happens live February 2026 she went on watch what happens live on the third

And she said it place because she was also on a different she was on a different podcast

She's been on like so many different things. She's on another podcast saying that she's manifesting just a younger man

Who's gonna make all of her dreams come true and just somebody that she can hang out with for a little while?

I guess that's West

There's so many things that have happened. There's so many things that they have said

Outwardly denying the whole situation and maybe they thought and look I this kind of goes show you with their stupid ass press release

They thought that maybe it was just a quick fling like a couple of weeks

Nobody's gonna know anybody and nobody's gonna be a

Kind to knowing exactly what we're doing we can go ahead and hide all of this and then we can just bury it

And no one ever has to talk about it

And then it became it just blossomed into this beautiful thing

You wouldn't have to do a joint statement right now saying it's just something. It's still very fresh

When there's reports about you guys doing this three months ago. It's not very fresh anymore

You guys have been doing this for a while you guys have been hiding this for a while

There should be some sort of I don't know a motion of like all right

Well, it's all out there. What are we going to do now? And instead it's like well, it's very fresh

Give us some boundaries guys. No one's going to give you boundaries

No one's giving Sierra boundaries, which is fucked up in in a completely different way of course

But the whole thing is just an absolute

unbelievable mess that

It won't get cleaned up like that's the other question is what is this look like moving forward?

What does summer house look like moving forward? Are Wested Amanda going to be in the master bedroom next year?

Is that what we're going to be dealing with because I don't want to deal with that shit

I don't know if you're hitting your desk or something, but there's something reverberating

It's not a big deal. It's like just if it doesn't the whole episode it might be a noticeable but no anyway

I mean, that's the crazy thing when you start to break down the timeline and we went ahead and compiled actual evidence with dates and everything

And where everything was said who said what and if we go back the public split obviously was in January between

Kyle and Amanda we all knew that that's not crazy. We were expecting it whatever

As Shooter said we get towards like February 3rd is when she says that she's swearing off of summer house men for good

The big thing

The big smoke screen that was attempted to be thrown out there was March 3rd

That was when she went out and said publicly that

Sierra is one of the kindest most loving loyal friends and West was the most supportive in

Authentic and non-performative ways saying

He's such a good guy. That's who West is so that was her

I'm assuming trying to get ahead of this thing or trying to quell some rumors here

But that is when two days later March 5th is the doom wall rumor

That's when a shit really hits the fan

And sorry if I say this wrong. It's Mary Claire or Marie Claire

I'm you guys know what I'm talking about

but

Anyway, that was when the first report came out on everything and

US US weekly us weekly us weekly us weekly us weekly

They did a hit a hit piece banana us weekly came out

addressing the rumors

Saying that we've talked to everybody these aren't true. That was on the 10th, I think

So all of this shit is building up meanwhile if you're a bravo fan

You already know and I'll get back to my my dates time proof

Timeline screenshots everything in a second

But you guys know I think it was it's probably late February

Things started to heat up that's when dev really started talking about it

And she'd been on it for a while like I said

But things start to ramp up the big thing that we all know at home

Once it hits reddit and once it starts to gain traction

There is always going to be a big reveal like there's a certain type of bravo rumor like we've we've done this so many times

I'm not to this degree obviously, but you kind of can feel

When

Something's real and not by intuition, but you see the evidence come out you're like all right whatever

And then things start to trickle out the big telling point

Is the cast when because they're shady and I'll start doing little hints here and there

There'll be little posts where you're like, what did that mean?

And the fact that we go further down the road

In March and this is something that I wouldn't have picked up on

Of course dev did and so many other people did

Amanda and Sierra were supposed to do an Amazon live together. Yeah, I'm not

Sierra did it with Lindsay, I think instead. Is that right? They just did they ended up doing it solo

So that was the whole thing that really broke everything apart

Was all the rumors just started to culminate a little bit and then there was a report that Sierra and Amanda were supposed to do something for Amazon live

And then at the last minute they split and they did something separately instead

So that was a big tell in the middle of all of this and then people started to really look into it like okay

Is Sierra liking Amanda's post no is Amanda liking Sierra's post no so there was enough there and again

I don't think it was really confirmed until today

So I do think the rest of the cast really found out and really found out all the evidence today

With the rest of us, which is fucked up

I mean, they're all very close to the situation especially Sierra

But the whole thing really came to a head at that point and that's when people started posting that's when you started getting

Not only was Duma posting, but you had everybody on tiktok

I mean I was on tiktok for the last four or five days people were throwing things at the wall

And the big thing that stood out to me was it's all evidence based on different cities

Which is a big thing. They're not in the york necessarily doing this. Yes behind closed doors and in their apartments

They are I'll get to that in a second

But there's people posting and there's peacock executives that are talking to their friends saying

Yeah, I was at an event out in LA

Amanda and West were all over each other. Oh, I was at a bar down in Miami. Amanda and West were all over each other

They're doing things in different cities. So they're trying to be even more sneaky

So that's a huge issue now when all of that evidence is coming out when all the quote unquote evidence is coming out

They're still reasonable doubt like okay, we really know what's going on

We don't want to jump into this and you and I always say that like it

We really want to jump into this because if we're wrong, which unfortunately Danny Pellegrino was

Horribly wrong where he's like, I don't believe any of it

They would never do that to od Sierra. They would never do that to their castmates

They would never do that in front of us

That would just never happen. I just don't believe it

Unfortunately, people like that end up being incredibly wrong

So you do have to kind of take a stance

But that all of that shit coming out and then finally getting another tomboy break

Where somebody took a picture of the two of them in Amanda or West's apartment through their window

First off that person needs to go to jail

Send that person to jail. That's not okay. Send that person straight to jail

But

It does add more fuel to the fire like okay

This is really coming apart at the seams and then that's when the summer house cast starts posting their little reaction picks

Carl put one up Lindsey put one up Mia put one up KJ put one up

Everybody KJ put another thing up today you he put up a song

Where it was like don't go stabbing me in the back or something and it's just like it's crazy

I mean, it just shows you where the cast is like the cast is not divided on this the cast is taking a step back

Looking at the two of them like what the fuck are you doing?

How could you do this? So they're all fighting out in real time too

Which is a very interesting nuance to all of this because there's not a lot of seeds out there

And people are obviously going to start taking their shots as all of this gets confirmed

And it's just it's a complete cluster fuck like how they thought that they would ever be able to get away with this is wild to me

And then obviously they started getting a little bit more audacious

And they started making some risks and going out to bars together

And they have the smoke screen of aid and Blake that I mentioned before it's just so stupid

I mean, obviously yeah, you can look at all the wrong things

But then when you get into the all of the actions that they were doing

It's really fucking stupid. How did you think you were ever going to get away with this?

Exactly, and you know they went as far to

They were spotted at a restaurant in Queens thinking if we get out of Manhattan

Maybe not in Manhattan guys. It's like what you're everyone knows who you guys are like that's the point of reality TV

And the point of creating a brand for yourself is that you're recognizable so you can make money off of it

So going to Queens, you're still in New York City

So yeah, I guess they were

It seems to me that there's this like level of

Erragance in situations like this you saw it with Raquel and sand of all where I'm assuming to get away with it for

A certain amount of time

Yeah, and they start to get a little reckless and they start to get a little false confidence going

Hey, you know, and I think they convince each other like I mean, well, I love you

And you love me our love is too strong to not be able to go and it builds into this thing where they start taking risks

And as soon as they start taking risks the house a card starts to fall

And you start involving the rest of the cast that's where it's going to gain

Some traction and gain some speed, you know, they have Kyle talking to people magazine

March

10th and they asked them about the rumor and as Shooter said already

He peppered both West and Amanda with questions. Is this real?

Tell me about it. He on watch what happens live said

Look, I don't think this is true

But if it is West if that's who Amanda picks I want her to be happy. He said that. Don't watch what happens live

I don't think he thought there was any merit to it at the time

I think he might retract that statement now

But that's irrelevant because you start to put these puzzle pieces together and the biggest question that arises

When did this start?

Mm-hmm, and that's what we're all thinking about now

Now we're going to go back last year two years ago and try to pick up on little things

That's where we're going to get messy and people are going to start finding things that aren't things

And we're going to have to sift through all the bullshit

Yeah buckle up everyone. It's coming but

We have to know what that start date was and it may seem trivial at this point because it's like the damage is done

The damage isn't done

No, the damage has just begun if this goes back

Into Kyle and Amanda's marriage if this goes back to when West was still pining over Sierra or that whole thing

If this goes back God forbid

God fucking forbid this goes back three years ago

Well, we're going to get clips

We're going to get clips that are just going to like try to push you in that direction

I don't know. I mean the door is wide open at this point. I know

Usually I'm the one that's a little bit pessimistic like no

I your grasp and it draws with that who the fuck knows

I mean this something like this something with this kind of scale

Yeah, I don't care go back as far as you want to go back to West coming on the show

I mean he was friends with them before even out on the show

I mean who knows what the fuck's going on there

And then you know

In all of the other funny nuances like watching Ben this season and we're talking about uh was Ben hooking up with Amanda

And was he trying to get after Amanda at some point did they hook up? We don't know

I mean how much more are their bodies buried somewhere in New York

Where Amanda was actually cheating on Kyle towards the end of their marriage

We have the right to ask those questions everybody has the right to ask those questions

So it's just very interesting the way that the whole fucking story breaks

Because not only is it just everything that happened not only is it just West and Amanda

Then you bring in the Sierra situation then you bring in the rest of the cast

Then you're going to bring in all these other questions like was she actually cheating on Kyle during the end of their marriage

Like that is where you're going to go and unfortunately you don't really have a leg to stand on

You can't get mad at people for asking those questions

You can't get mad at people for going back and watching summer house from two three seasons to go to see if there's any evidence there

Going back on socials and see if there's evidence there like that's what people are going to do when you have some sort of scandal like this

I agree and there's so many pieces that that make it worse

As as we go through everything because

You know, there's an epidemic in this country right now where if you just keep saying lies over and over again

People lose interest and they're like well, I mean whatever and then you don't count the amount of times that they lied

And you're like it's just one big lie that's where shit

Because each time that they did this is its own individual offense such as West going on watch what happens live a week ago

Seven days ago

Okay, and he says to Andy Cohen

No, that's just a friend. That's my home girl is what he says

So he lied a week ago about this on TV. So I guess

Where it gets confusing for me in all of these situations when you get

Something like this happened. What's endgame? What did you guys think was gonna happen and and also in doing these appearances and going on

Watch what happens live that again that speaks to hubris more than anything and cancel that appearance

If you really give a shit about this relationship. I don't know why until you guys figure out what's going on like or

When you decide to make this massive mistake

Have a have a pow wow. Hey, let's sit down and share what do we do?

Yeah, what do we do with this inevitably breaks because it's going to fucking break like that's the other part of it too is

The timing like we have been sitting on this for a long time people have been coming up with rumors for a while

Yeah, you can just kind of negate them for a little while

But this past week it was hot and heavy

This is your best plan is coming out with this weird ass joint statement that was probably written by AI

You guys took your heart and soul into this one you couldn't have separate statements

You couldn't say like it's very different for each person and you guys have the exact same statement

So that's the only thing like and we've seen West under fire before the the reunion is gonna be an absolute shit show

He's not gonna be able to answer. He's gonna stammer the whole time. He's gonna be sweating

That's gonna be tough Amanda who the fuck knows exactly what she's gonna do and I touched on it later, but

Again doesn't excuse anything the Kyle did during the marriage, but how the fuck does Kyle cook come out as the winner

That's the funniest part of this whole thing. It's gotta be the funniest like it is it is objectively

Incredibly funny that Kyle cook gets this at their and yeah, of course

He's gonna be upset at the reunion because it is a fucked up situation for him

It's more fucked up for Sierra than it is for Kyle which you know, you can't debate beyond that one

But Kyle's gonna sit there at the reunion and at the end of it. He's like

I won I get to go move down the Charleston George Sutter charm actually no, he doesn't this is still his goddamn show

That's the only thing out

We're moving we were changing the guard. We were moving into a different era of summer house

He's gonna be in the city. We've got Amanda over there. Yeah, she's not gonna hang around too long

We don't really know what oh Sierra is gonna do, but now she has Mia and if Mia stays on then she's got her friends

She's good. She can move into the house and move forward with the rest of the crew

Instead this whole thing breaks we don't know what what summer house looks like

Time to call Kyle cook and bring him back

Like that might be what we have to do at this point to just try to salvage anything because that's the other part of it

And I know you know going back to vpr and in the best

Honestly the best

I guess comparison that I would come up with is more on the level of like jackson christened with Tom with watching drive and giving head

That's closer to it because if there's no marriage. There's no house involved. There's all that shit

But going back to vpr people are like well

It's just be careful what you wish for you guys really wanted this to happen

vpr fell apart vpr was falling apart before yeah that was just saved it for a season and a half and then it

Again because it was gonna plummet regardless

But summer house has nothing like we've been waiting the last three years have been tough

We finally got to a point where we have a good crew and then you're gonna throw this unbelievably strong wrench into the mix

It might die like you might have to fully recast every bus you really might like that's the crazy thing you know

I think

What you did do for in the city. I think you actually helped in the city

Now the ratings for that will be a little bit more insane because people can be looking for Easter eggs

Exactly, so I think that

Actually helped

But the fact that we are done filming this season of summer house. They're not picking up cameras. I assume

They want to get reactions in real time at the reunion

So that's why we're not picking up cameras would be my best guess but honestly

They should pick up cameras for in the city if they're gonna go that route

Like there's no point in doing it for summer house because you still haven't filmed the reunion

This is obviously gonna be a three maybe before this might be the first four-part reunion that they have

They might throw all the things out there. That's fine

I don't mind if I'm gonna argue about that one

But if you pick up cameras for in the city

I mean Amanda's on that show Lindsey's on that show Kyle's on that show for Weston to the mix

That would be somewhat interesting if I you have to get all parties to agree to it

I don't think they have any say in the matter that would make way more sense to be because if you finish in the city

Re-edit that thing to see what that man is looking like halfway through that season

And then throw the new footage and at the end and just promise that the whole time people are gonna watch

Exactly, you know, so it will bump the in the city ratings

I don't know where we go from here as far as summer house like you just broke down. I don't see

Because there's a lot of people saying the obvious where it's like well West and uh

Weston Amanda are out and the rest go back to the house and

You know we move on what live their life. Yeah, that's my point. It's like yeah to a certain extent

I get it like that is the makings of a show sure

But what does that look like? What does this show look like and I you know

I'll just say it flat out like West did do a good job of changing the

The dynamic in the summer house that we've gotten used to over the past three four years

We're used to them hanging out at home half the crew goes out. We don't get to see him go out

Not a whole lot happens house party whatever boring

Over the past two years we got younger dudes in the house

We've got some younger women in the house. They they've started to get a nightlife again

You've got Bailey who's doing a great job in her first season got Mia who's killing it KJ's doing a great job

You got Levi who were still crossing fingers can do something to stick around

But you have turned this back into a fun house and West yeah

Well, you guys want to admit it or not was a huge part of that

So now we're removing that right you're removing Amanda who

You know, she doesn't do a ton, but she is a centerpiece of the show. Oh, she's been going out a lot more. She's that's the fun

Yeah, exactly and that's what's so funny because you want to break this whole thing down

You know a Kyle verse West like then diagram

Let's do go back to the conversations go back to the conversation where Kyle's just dumping on the rest of the guys in the house

And West is sticking up for Amanda where he's talking about how she just gets high and she doesn't do anything

She doesn't clean the house and they don't have sex anymore West made a comment

He's like wait you guys don't have sex anymore and are they pointing at this point? Who the hell is this going on like

There's so much to read into and the the big problem for me of course with moving forward with summer house even for this season

Everything else just doesn't matter. I'm sorry, but like we're this is before the Tuesday night episode airs

But we're looking forward a reward looking forward to seeing the fallout about KJ and Dara and how long the dara stay in the room with Ben

And Bailey gets into the mix and Levi gets into the mix and there's a whole squabble

That's what's going on right now

We've also got Kyle and Amanda the fallout from that with Kyle's birthday. What's going to happen there?

None of it matters literally none of it matters so the whole rest of the season's a wash

Of course, they're going to go back into the lab and just try to edit and get as much out there about West at Amanda as they possibly can

It's not really going to matter though like we're just going to be sitting and waiting until that reunion

Because all of this is in the past and we're living in the current with the whole scandals

So it's just going to be really tough to get through and every time and I'm looking from our perspective too

What are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to recap this show is if this didn't happen? No

I think how are we supposed to move forward this? Has anybody ever thought about us? That's my one question

You get new a weird scandal like this and you screw over your friends and you're an absolute asshole

What about us? What are we supposed to do? This is what happened at scandival

I know then we had to recap like that at least happened during the season

But we did have like I think there's three or four episodes before it happened or maybe more than that

And then we got one episode of picking up cameras. It's like okay. I guess. Yeah, this is now current

But we went through the whole season like what do we do? What are we supposed to talk about? We know what's happening

My big question honestly as far as the remainder of the season goes is now knowing this and I know

Despite popular belief I'm sure they do it here and there

But Bravo really doesn't go back and edit as much as you guys probably think they do once they have it in the can

It tends to be the final cut from what we've been told

um

But I am curious like are they going to in some of these later episodes if they have enough time in between be like okay time out

Can we go back and find some moments? I think we're gonna see more than we would have

If this hadn't dropped when it did so obviously, I mean the focal point watching these next few episodes is going to just be looking for clues

Like I don't care if they're an KJ. They're still together. So I don't care what happened in that room

That room's a bends a really chugger now. Yeah, so I don't care like they're fine, you know

Whatever happened that room happened the Ben piece is gonna be interesting because we are gonna read more into Ben

Was was he in love with Amanda was he trying to hook up with the man? It was their flirting there

That's a different direction

No, I know yeah, I I'm sorry, but like and look honestly

That's good because we actually would be sitting here and I love KJ and it seems like he loves Darren

We don't know enough about her

But now we're not gonna be scrutinizing them. We're not gonna be looking at it like oh yeah like I last week

We were sitting here like Bravo show the fucking footage and give me the timestamps show that Darren wasn't in there for a full hour

Show that she didn't get changed in front of Ben. Please for the love of God. Just show us already

I don't care if you show her or not. I don't know it doesn't matter or we're moving on. We've got bigger fish to fry

We've got the biggest fish to fry. We've got the white whale if you will

We got Captain Ahab just speared that fucker and now we got to talk about it like are we Captain Ahab because doesn't he die?

Yeah, he doesn't make it

So do that what you will do with that, but that's indicative wait a minute Captain Ahab is summer house

Yeah, it's possible

Yeah, I just yeah, like you said the rest of the season's just who the fuck knows what's gonna happen and obviously

We're probably

In less more incredible news breaks where we actually get a timeline

This will be our little bottle episode where we talk about all of this the rest of our west in Amanda chatter

We'll probably try to keep it in

Yeah, we'll see oh yeah, yeah like on summer house. It's gonna be hard to deviate

From this topic and you know what it is save time to talk about the current events of west in Amanda

Yeah, definitely and well, you know if we see thing we'll try not to

hone in on it too much if it's just a whatever seed and we're like oh

But if we do see something we're like, oh that's that sketchy obviously we're we're gonna discuss it

But we will try to keep it to our summer house recaps at the very least to try to contain this thing

I am not confident

God, I know we have to watch it live

You know what that's good

Yeah, I don't know I still don't know I agree

I want to get to it, you know, I don't want to wait

I don't want to sit and wait and then we have to talk I want to get right into the business, but

Let's let's do one thing here before we move on

Not that we're anywhere in particular, but I let's read the statement. Let's read it out

Okay, so this is what they decided was a good idea to post

Again, I think the funniest thing beyond everything else is

She had a joint statement with her husband

In January that was three months ago

And now she's had to make another public announcement with another man

Who dated her best friend

Well, I just read I just read something really funny. I'm just gonna put it out there real quick

Somebody said that Sierra unfollowed west in Amanda. We've now figured out that she blocked them

But somebody quoted it and said it kind of makes sense how lazy Amanda is that she didn't even go outside to find a man

Damn

It's all warrants and it's great. Yeah, that's the thing like pull no punches here because they did this to themselves and that it is what it is

All right, so just so everyone's up the speed. I'm sure you've all read this uh, but just in case

Let's break this down

From Amanda Patula and West

Wilson

We've seen the growing online speculations. So while this is still very new. We wanted to provide some clarity

It was never our intention to purposely hide anything

Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show

We needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it

We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently was the last thing

Either of us expected our connection grew out of a genuine long-standing friendship

Which made it especially important for us to approach this with care

as

out of here as our feelings evolved we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling

We also recognized that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt

Or be perceived as careless

We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this so real quick

What did you approach with care? This reads like uh, hey guys

We're in love, you know, so I know you're mad, but like we're in love

They're too to apologize to anybody you don't apologize to Sierra to Kyle you didn't apologize to one-fucking person instead

You're kind of on the defense in this. That's how I read this. I read this as defensive saying get off our back

We love each other. No

Let's play a game of um

Who do you think's gonna be on who's team at the region

Okay, who's gonna back. Let's just say who's gonna back Amanda and west

Because I think it's I think Jesse. I don't don't Jesse posted today

Jesse made a reaction post today same thing with though like go

He's gonna be on their team. I think he's gonna be neutral. I don't think he's dumb enough to hitch his way

I definitely

That's the only one that's gonna be like a wild card in there like do we

Then could honestly take middle one. Yeah, and be

Yeah, he could say like well, you know, I saw how unhappy she was for so long

Mm-hmm. So it kind of makes sense like West gave her something that Kyle didn't I could see that approach from Benjamin that wouldn't shock me

Yeah

I just I don't I don't know why but I just can't imagine the entire cast going against them

I think they're gonna have one or two people defending them and

Yeah, I'm weirdly in a weird way. I could see Kyle stepping in defending Amanda because he doesn't know any better

And he's gonna do what he didn't watch what happens live

Which I don't believe that he's like yeah, I want Amanda to be happy and everything with west even if it's with west

I do think he's gonna like all right like you know what it's okay

It's not that big of a deal just trying to make himself into a better person

I really don't know what that reunion it's gonna look like it's gonna be an absolute nightmare

But very interesting to watch for us of course. It's gonna be a total train wreck as far as your question

I don't

I'm taking the under I don't think anybody's going to come to their defects. I think there might be some people that

Omit themselves from the conversation

but I just

Given how recent it was and how raw it's gonna be I don't they're filming in two weeks

so

Barring some drastic revelation coming out that like something that ever so slightly exonerates them in any way shape

Reform which does not exist that's not out there waiting in the ether to like oh that won't make sense. So I don't

I don't see the only person that be dumb enough would be Jesse you're right

I just don't think he's that dumb or we'll find out very soon and then Ben yeah

Those those are the only two question marks for me the ladies are obviously going to be on a

Sierra side and rightfully so

but it

We'll probably get the questions here soon because I'm sure there's a lot of stuff there that we need to answer

Yeah, try to answer, but I think my big question

Well one first and foremost and I actually kind of hope he does this and I am not like

Team Kyle now. This doesn't exonerate all of the stuff that he did over the years

I think it's crazy that in that marriage

where he was such a shitty husband for so long

She's worse is kind of crazy

but

My my one thing that I really hope he does it would be really funny and potentially safe as business has come out with a flavor of lover boy to embody this moment

Like something like next score

Put something out and they put like a text message out saying and they redacted a name of something and they said they were going to put merch out

Now that's the other piece that we didn't really talk about was do it

Kyle going down to Charleston last week and you know Jesse's promoting a single and doing all that bullshit

But Kyle was hanging out with all of them and then Austin put up an Instagram saying oh, I guess fucking your friend's exes is back in so

People know people have known for less couple of days

So it's not you know, I said this earlier that everybody kind of found out at the same time

They probably found out the details and everything else at the same time

And that's kind of what we've been getting in the last couple of days, but

I don't I just don't know

Where to go from here necessarily. I saw something that kind of like sparked my interest

I was reading our questions really quick and we have no less than 500 questions in here

Yeah, I got a figured this is gonna take a while to pick through them

But I love the amount of people that still think it's a hoax

That's one of my favorite things the April fools joke people like it's not April guys

And then they're like well, it's April and Europe. It's like stop

Yeah enough. No, just let it go guys. It's incredible. But yeah, somebody actually asked

Do you think there's any merit to the Buffalo Wild Wings promo rumor? No, there's not this is did you see what they did

What's that they posted a BWW

You

On their page and got so much shit that they took it down. Let me try to find it

Unbelievable, but yeah, I saw it earlier. Let me try to find it. I could have easily been showed up photoshopped

Um

Hold on Buffalo Wild Wings Amanda West

I'm sure they probably put it down here and I don't know here you go

uh

It was in the comments. Move your talking head lady

Hold on she's talking over the come on dude

You can see it behind her head

Maybe I google it

Fuck

It's okay

Well, I did find it but but her head's in the way if you see right here all right

behind her

They commented in response to somebody

a a or a bw like yeah, we stand that because they did a joint promo together

Yeah, for Buffalo Wild Wings, which is how the burners also on there too. Why not an hb

Hannah burner

Could not be happier right now

She is elated

Everything turned out to come up Hannah burner and her and pager about to do oh that's something I want to talk about real quick

Then we get some questions um

Her and pager doing a

Scripted show I believe so she's getting a tv show and

She gets validated more than anybody I think has been in a very long time

So that's kind of crazy, but that's my question the page aspect

Well, that was about page because my girlfriend was talking about this before we started recording

So page and Hannah have never had a guest on their podcast

And she's calling her shot she's saying first guest ever on their podcast would be Sierra talk about all of this in a safe space and put it all out there

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens

We've seen comments here and there pages been making comments Hannah put up a video earlier

There was a little vague a little cryptic

But she kind of shows where she is page put a comment and they're saying yep

I guess we know where Hannah is on all of this that's funny

So

I don't know I mean I assume in some way she performed the two of them are gonna are gonna weigh in on this

Whether it's alone or they have Sierra on their podcast who knows exactly what they're gonna do

But it's gonna be interesting to see everybody now that the news is out that we're gonna have to see

Everybody on their social is not posting reaction shots, but rather putting out their feelings saying exactly how they feel about what's going on

That's gonna be a very interesting thing

Yeah, and if we know anything about page she is

Loyal as they come she's a staunch defender of her friends and I

Have no question in my mind that she's team Sierra on this. Oh, yeah

It's just gonna be very interesting to get her take because she's obviously so close to the manda as well and has been for so long

That that episode of giggly squad is I'm gonna listen to that one that that's gonna be very interesting to get her perspective

Is she gonna open up and go back in the vault a little bit be like well?

You know there was a couple times where xyz happened where maybe not trust her. I don't know

Like this

Page is gonna look at a mandal like the friend killer like oh, okay

So yeah, you kind of pulled me away from Hannah a little bit and then I had to you know that and obviously you can go back

You can further and everything else that Amanda may have been doing and kind of getting in pages here

So that'll be interesting to see what she says, but I the first two questions I want to address because they're kind of paired together

Frimpi 30 and Marissa and Palma they asked

Do you think Sierra should even show it the reunion and the Marissa asked do you think Amanda will bail on the reunion?

They'll both be there. They will both 100% be there. I think Sierra you don't think Amanda's gonna be there

I think if anyone doesn't show it's gonna oh Sierra will be there. I know that for them. She's gonna get support

So I mean, that's yeah, it's gonna be a she's she's not a coward dude

She would stay I know even if she was afraid to not have support she would show up for sure

So I'm not worried about that if anyone's a no show on this is gonna be Amanda

I don't think she's gonna do it. I think she'll show up

But if anybody was to not show it would be Amanda in my yeah

Just fan girl at all times asked also do you think that West will actually commit to a relationship now?

No, probably not I I actually think that what's gonna happen is this is gonna fizzle out very quickly

I think that they're not going neither of them are going to be able to take the backlash and they're not going to be able to stay together

I'm curious how this affects everything

You know like West just got this great job of a complex. He's killing it over there like how does this affect that like

How does how does this affect Shina? Has anybody asked Shina? Is she okay? I can't believe she hasn't weighed in in a very weird and

Overarking way where she's like I knew I was involved like he cheated on me too. What?

Mm-hmm. What are you talking about? Yeah, just it's only a matter. She gonna write a book about it

from

Zero do you think they have to get married now so the public doesn't have their careers?

Yeah, I mean that's what we're saying like I don't I

How do they not think of that shit before this happens where it's like hey guys you realize gonna you

Potentially could burn your career to the ground the fact that sand of all

Figured out a way to worm his way back into the good graces of the public image is crazy

There's no way

Because West isn't as delusional as Tom sand of all that's what got Tom back up to where he's at currently to that traders appearance

He was fucking funny

Gantanayat house of villains. He's doing a great job on that. He worked his way back West doesn't have that in him and I know that

And

Speaking of like this

Katie Melody why are people calling the scandal all this is nowhere near as bad. It's different

But it is as bad. That's the thing that she like yes, it is there's

I mean you're all cheating and everything else from it

Yeah, there's just a lot of layers here like shooter said it's kind of like

if scandival was based around

The dody thing

Dody jacks and sand if it was based around that but went the way that scandival went that would be an easier way to frame it

But yes, this is as bad. It absolutely is

Uh

A lot of this we already covered of course

Now I want to read the funny Tom ads. Rebecca Serpa. Do you think Sierra and Amanda could ever come back from this?

No

No

She wouldn't give West a chance for three years that took until this season to be nice to him

You think she's ever going to talk to Amanda again? Absolutely not

She has morals like Sarah has strong principles and values. She's made that very clear through the year. So

Fuck no, she's not going to talk to her

No

Jacqueline Michelle Cress jesse where you silent or silence that I mean that's a theory that you can float around for days if you want to

The shorts there was

Yeah, the shorts theory

Sort of in a way again different, but

Yeah, was he going after Sierra to kind of take the heat off of everything going on was it just the smoke screen

There's I mean there's so many things to read into there. I don't think so. I think Jesse was just going for Sierra

But West and Jesse are not nearly as close. I mean that's another thing you said I'll watch what happens live

Andy kind of picked up on it and he asked them like how closer you and Jesse and he's like

You know, it's well, he sees a friend. He's a friend. He basically said the same thing about Amanda

Obviously, he said he was showing her the streets, but he did stammer for a little bit

So him and Jesse are not that close

I doubt that if this was secretly going on behind closed doors even before the Jesse would even know

Yeah, I

Compared to the shorts are called the shorts theory only because did he know not the him trying to hook up with Sierra

It does bring up a lot of moments though when you think about

Not just them, but you think about that night

When they were playing spin the bottle and Kyle and Amanda smooched and then West

That's when he decided to move his chair next to Sierra and that's when he said to Jesse

I'll fuck you up or something. Yeah

I think we know where that came from now

That was not Sierra centric which is even more brutal because he used Sierra as a prop in that moment

Yeah, now if you if you want a Schwartz of the situation, it's it's his friend Aiden

That would be a short situation for everybody. Oh, yeah, Amanda and Aiden that so they're hooking up. That makes total sense

They're holding the hands. Nope

It's actually West's the whole time

This is interesting

Elizabeth

Eliza Bell B Eliza Bell B or is it Elizabeth?

Sorry, uh, I think it's Elizabeth B and if I said that wrong, I apologize

Will West be an adult and take responsibility for his actions and words at the reunion?

What kind of West are we going to see?

No, I mean we've seen it before. I don't think that I think this is

Somehow worse than what he did to Sierra

So if we watch tell that when it's not going to go any better than that

I think he's I think he's going to be quiet the whole time and he's going to

Not really take any sort of responsibility

I yeah, I don't know. I think it's going to be

I

I just don't even know like he handled those

Somebody asked so early that I can't imagine

Uh from Kittorra underscore a.m. Who do you think will be sat next to West and Amanda at the reunion?

They should be at a sweetheart table if they're in love put them with a sweetheart right in the middle

Yep right in the middle

Yep

Uh

But but but

Yeah, a lot of seating predictions for things like that which is kind of funny

Oh

I just love that it leaves the door open for stuff like this cat dog

Did he get Amanda's permission to comment holy frick on Sierra's pic?

He he that's a good one

Oh, I like that. I agree with this like you know this situation would be

Bad regardless, but from so many signs 9152

Why didn't they just come clean to Sierra and Kyle before the world?

Yeah

Now that's a great point great question. I mean that would have there's no way that this goes well in any way shape or form

But that would have been the appropriate way to do it to sit them down and be adults about this in some way shape or form and say hey

This is going to sting but we're together now and it's going to be public like that but again that shows you

Where West and Amanda are at they don't care. They're being selfish. They're they're worried about their their own career

Right now probably they're worried about their own image. They're worried about

Everything that they're going to get back from this as far as backlash goes

They're not worried about Sierra and that's very evident from that quote-unquote

Joint statement at no point in there was it even not apologetic and that's where I'm starting to think

Based on nothing else, but what we've gotten so far

That that they feel maybe they don't own explanation like this just happened. We're both single like they may very well

Take that route and completely disregard everyone's feelings

And that's based on the fact that they've taken nobody's feelings into consideration up until this point

So why would that suddenly click on at the reunion?

Dude, I don't know

Really don't it's funny too because a lot of people are just asking the same questions mostly timeline mostly

You know was was West going after Sierra this summer a whole smoke screen. I think so into Amanda

I think so I think he was 100% show-centric. They're pushing a storyline and protecting

Yeah, and I do think that it's interesting now because yeah, maybe

Maybe

Jesse was fucking with West. Hey, can I make out with Sierra? You're fucking your bad like your your friends wife could I make out with your girl like

Yeah, I don't know

Brian Scott Patterson on a scale of I'm vomiting too. I'm vomiting and vomiting and having diarrhea

Where are you on the West being a dirt bag scale?

Vomiting while having diarrhea problem. I'm bent over on the toilet in a trash can

I made one of those days

Well been there. Yep, I need some gas station sushi wash it down with a natty ice and boof

Yeah, yeah, you guys you guys all been there right? Yeah, everybody's been there

Let's see. Let's see. I'm trying to get good one to like end on but it's all just keep reading some out while you search

Lash 16 says Amanda has never been a girls girl. How long do we really think this has been going on

She hasn't been a girls girl and that hasn't that's been a talking point here and there

Uh, it's never been more evident than now. This is a good one. Uh, hi. My name is Sandy

Will this save lover boy and Kyle's reputation this if they play this right

It could if they do the

Yeah, they can have boom. Yeah, they could have an absolute boom on merch

I mean everything that I heard because last week we were going hard at lover boy saying that

It would have been fine if he was just good to his wife, but

Apparently, I believe you can't even really get lover boy in a lot of states

And when you can get lover boy, it sucks or it's really expensive

So it's not going to save the drink, but I mean you can just pivot's merch. Why not?

Yeah, I mean shit

Ariana and Katie made like six figures on merch when they drink up your stand of all

Yeah

Katie low. I think this started last summer to you guys. So that's my that's my thing now that just worms

It's way into my brain. Okay, bear with me here crazy theory

Let's take it back to the end of two years ago

with Sierra

Do you think is it possible that Amanda and West started at least

something

all the way back then

That made West back off of Sierra and that was the driving force of why he was not ready to commit

And gun to my head. No, but anything's possible

Yeah, dude, I don't know

But again, like I said earlier this it opens the door to those questions

You can't really deny those questions immediately

Let's see. Let me see if I can find a great one. I got nothing. So if you got one

Um

A lot of people asking about last summer Ryan Stoneman do you think Amanda's feelings for West last summer did Jesse know but but bad was been a decoy

um

Yeah, just one good one then and on and I'm not blaming anybody because everybody's got the same questions

Yeah, no, I think it's all it's all valid

All right, I can tie this one into this one and then we'll

If I can find that one

Damn you guys there's no shortage of questions. There's I know 100 in here

Uh, all right, whatever. I'll just somebody else. Sorry that I can't find your name

um

Madison MC says and suddenly I've forgotten who Taylor Frankie Paul is which leads to the other one

That I can't find who asked it. I'm still searching

But they asked should Sierra be the bachelor at to which I say absolutely not

She deserves much better than the bachelor. Yeah, I think like yeah, you could give her the area on a treatment where she's now hosting a big show

You know, you fuck send her to love island like no have her team up with Ariana. I don't oh, yeah

Okay, I thought you meant like as a good god. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, a page made an appearance

Like have Sierra over for like all stars and host that or something

Give her a start somewhere and then give her the road map to just take off and

Flip off both Amanda and West as she rides off into the sunset. That's what I want

I want the full Ariana Maddox treatment. I want Sierra starting in a Broadway show even though she doesn't sing in dance

I want I want the full treatment there. I want lover boy to sell tons of merch

No, I'm not excusing Kyle's behavior by any means but fuck it like West and Amanda set the tone here West and Amanda are the villains and

That's what that's gonna be the funny thing is to watch the cast

Inevitably capitalize on this yeah as we saw with scatable and they're all gonna make a ton of money

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to watch but like I said we'll we'll be back tomorrow with our

Summer house recap. We're probably gonna find out more shit. Yeah, I don't even know those thing and we're supposed to talk about pen and Dara

Tomorrow the fuck

That's that's gonna be like impossible. How are we how are we supposed to move on from this? I don't know

I don't grab everything else. You know what? I know Rhode Island's supposed to be coming out this week

The Valley's supposed to be coming out this week. Just push it. Yeah, bump everything a week. Give us all a breather

Oh boy. Yeah, well. Yeah

As you said, then we'll wrap this thing up

The crazy thing is going to be that so much more is probably gonna come out

Uh-huh so much more like I remember in scandable trunks

We'll get some semblance because even like scandable I mean even after quote unquote all of the timeline came out

We still had more questions. We were still there were still more answers and there's still more answers

But they were yeah, yeah, so it's gonna be

It's gonna be an interesting ride

Everyone hydrate. Okay, make sure we're gonna go rest all right take a break from the screen after like two or three hours of

Scrolling hug your loved ones. Yeah, hug a tree. You know just to feel like grounded outside

Don't forget that there's a world. It's getting nice out. All right. Don't let this

Suck you in for too long. It's already ruined multiple of my days, but hey here we are

But uh, yeah

That's all I got you got anything else. Nope

That's our show uh, I guess we'll try to talk about summer house tomorrow. Probably we've got to go bye

I

Jesus Christ

Oh, please not that music that music is me nightmares from my childhood could we get something a little bit lighter some lighter music here

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