End The Net Zero Gravy Train: Robert Jenrick Says Only Farage's Reform UK Can Fix Broken Britain

0:00Spring is here and the shopping list is long. Time to make a lows run. Buy three bags, get three free of stay green, one cubic foot garden soil. Plus, right now, members can earn four times the points on an eligible purchase. Start spring off strong with these deals and more. Our best lineup is here at Loves. Valet the 325, while supplies last. Soil offer excludes a last-gen Hawaii. Lowellty program subject to terms and conditions. See Loes.com slash terms for details. Subject to change, point booster subject to exclusions, and more terms apply. That's not easy. Have you lost friends? Yeah, no, it's hard. It was a long road for me, and you and I have talked about this over the course of it. I slowly came to the conclusion that the Tory Party hadn't learned its lessons. The politicians of all political parties have made a small number of very big mistakes. Mass migration, net zero, a big state that doesn't work. In some cases, their desire to make millions of pounds

1:00on the gravy chain, train after their left office above the basic interest of the British people. Reform is going to end that era of naive, hopelessly naive, green politics. Ah, man, sack by Boris Johnson. He resigned on principle under Rishisunak. He was the runner-up against Kenny Badenock, a one-time tour leadership hopeful, and now the new kid on the block for reform. Robert Jimric will be the chancellor if, as some poll show, Nigel Farage, his new best friend, wins the next British election. And he's here in London with me today. Robert Jimric, last time I saw you, I think you were still in the Tory Party. Yeah, well, you were in your former guys. Exactly. You weren't busy saving the West at that point. Exactly. Well, exactly. But what happened? Look, it was a long road for me, and you and I have talked about this over the course of it. I slowly came to the conclusion that the Tory Party

2:00hadn't learned its lessons, that the same characters were at the helm. But if they were lucky enough to be in government again, which I think is very unlikely, they'd make all the same mistakes. And you had to put my very long-standing party loyalty to one side and do what I thought was right and get on board with Nigel, because I do think the next election is going to be a simple choice. It's Nigel or Reform, or it's going to be Labour, whoever is the prime minister at that point. Probably in coalition with the Greens and Zach Polansky. And if, like me, you think the country is in a total mess, you've got to rally behind Nigel, help him to win the general election, and then actually deliver for the country, which is what we haven't had, frankly, in recent years, either under the last quarter of the government, that let people down, and I was part of that. I saw it firsthand, made my own mistakes, and now you're seeing it under Keir Starmer. You've got to have a government that actually fixes the country and gets us out of the rut that we're in at the moment. On exactly that, you are now the shadow, shadow, chancellor, you're the treasuries spokesperson for Reform.

3:01If Nigel for our wins the election, you would be the chancellor, you'd be in number 11. The country's bankrupt. We're going to spend £105 billion a year on benefits by the end of this decade. 40% of the remaining day-to-day spending will be on the NHS by 2025. We've promised a world, a dangerous world, that we will up our defence spending to 3%. It looks like we're not even going to make that. It should be at 4 or possibly 5%. Taxes are already sky high. People are fleeing. People can't afford to have a family to buy a house. What are you going to do any differently than every other politician who's come in, including him from your old last party, and said they'll change fittings and they'll fix things? How fundamentally can you do that in the treasury when there's no money, no political will, to get out of the mess we're in? Well, I think the last point is the most important one. You've got to have the political world to change things. Firstly, you've got to understand the depth of the challenge. We in reform, one of the things that unites everyone in the parties, we believe Britain is broken.

4:03You've heard Kirsta Ammer? You've heard that Kirsta Ammer and, in fact, Kemy Bay-Knock say he doesn't. We don't think it's broken beyond repair. We're essentially optimists. We think we can turn this around, but it's going to require a massive change. And my thesis is that the political economy, the consensus that has governed this country for my whole adult lifetime, probably going right back to Black Wednesday in 1992, is broken. Politicians of all political parties have made a small number of very big mistakes. Mass migration, net zero, a big state that doesn't work. And we've got to change these things. And a reform government, it's going to manage people's money carefully. It's not going to mess with the governance of the way our economy runs. People can trust us, but it is going to be radical. They're not going to do a little trust. No, but it is going to be radical. Because you sound a bit like this trust now, saying, you know, 30 years of consensus needs blowing up as well as she said. Well, look, I think the way in which the country's been run has let people down very badly.

5:05And this week, we in reform have been talking about one of those areas, which is net zero. Yeah. And that exemplifies the failure by politicians. Politicians of both parties got swept away. They basically put grandstanding and posturing their own respectability. In some cases, their desire to make millions of pounds on the gravy chain train after they left office above the basic interests of the British people. And what happened? We've been poverished people with some of the highest energy bills in the developed world. And we've de-industrialized our country. So the kind of people that I grew up around in Wolverhampton, I represent in North Nottinghamshire, have been very badly let down. We're losing our steel industry. Our car manufacturing industry. We basically lost our chemicals, our fertiliser, our glass. Sectors that employed once millions of people have just been destroyed by bad decisions by politicians. Do you believe? And that era is going to end. Reform is going to end that era of naive, hopelessly naive green politics.

6:06And we're going to put the interest of the British people first, cheap and reliable energy, and doing everything in our power to bring down people's bills. This is exactly what the point I wanted to make. It's very easy to sit on the opposition benches and say, well, when we were in power, when I was in power last, we got this wrong, and this wrong, and this wrong, and this wrong. America leads the world in medicine development. It matters. We get new medicines first, nearly three years faster. Five million Americans go to work because we make medicines here at home. And not relying on other countries keeps us safe. But China is racing to overtake us. Will we let them? Or will we choose to stay ahead? When America leads, America cures. Let's tell Washington to keep us in the lead. Learn how at americacures.com, paid for by Farma. Talking of hopeless naivety, are you really suggesting that a reform government in five years with the political landscape is now, perhaps being elected on 30% to 35%

7:07is going to be able to restore all of those things you've just listed, our steel, our coal, our manufacturing, our chemicals. These are simple, two simple solutions. You're not going to be able to do any of this stuff. This stuff is gone for good. I disagree with that. I don't pretend this is easy, or that it's going to happen overnight. But we can begin to set the country on a better course. Let's take some examples. Look at oil and gas. Immediately end. That will be the band ban on new oil and gas licenses. Of course, it's going to take a long time for the sector to have confidence, reinvest, use those licenses. But we will be able to set the country on a long-term path to greater prosperity, creating thousands of jobs, the tax revenues that will flow with that. We're going to cut the subsidies to renewables. We're not anti-offshore wind, but we're just not going to make working people, often on low incomes, subsidize that. So a small number of businesses, often foreign investors can get rich, harvesting money at the expense of the British people.

8:07If there are opportunities to frack domestically, including in places like where I represent in the East Midlands, we'll allow that to happen. And this week we've said, we're going to scrap in our first budget all of these subsidies that Ed Miliband has put in place for heat pumps, for example, billions of pounds. Billions of pounds, he did. Billions of pounds being spent on that. And the average household that is taking advantage of that, earning 52,000 pounds a year. So working people on low incomes, paying for middle class and rich people to take advantage of something, which many of them don't even want in the first place. Take a give you another example. The grants for electric vehicles. We're going to say, we're not going to scrap all these mandates, these rules and regulations. People can choose whichever car they want. If they want to drive a diesel car, they can drive a diesel car. And you know the worst thing, Harry, about that grant, which is 3,750 quid, a lot of money going to better off people predominantly, out of the 40 cars that are

9:09available to make use of it. Only one is assembled in the UK. So we're literally trading middle class jobs in the UK for middle class jobs elsewhere in the world, like Shenzhen in China. Reform is a party for working people, not for insane green politics. Let's come back to cars, because there's lots of discussion. Let's take on energy and bills and the like. At the moment, you know, we're back into the world where each day we're waking up, looking at the oil price and looking at the instability of the world. Surely this is exactly the time to be pivoting away from that rock and roll, you know, that rollercoaster ride that we've been on for so long, on being reliant on fossil fuels. Surely what's wrong with making us, I mean, it does have to be an ideological thing, but it can be a financial thing. Why not make ourselves more energy independent? We are an island, we are a windy place. Why not substoy some of this stuff? Well, because it's expensive energy, we want...

10:10So it's drilling on the North Sea. We want cheap and reliable energy, and we'll do whatever it takes to achieve that. We want energy abandoned. The most reliable thing is a mix. It's going to be a mix, absolutely. We're going to make use of everything that we have in terms of our own oil and gas revenues. If there's opportunities to do that on the mainland through fracking, we'll explore those. Yeah, there's a role for renewables, but we're not going to subsidise it. Because... I'm not sure when. Just to make the way... Because renewable energy was billed as being cheap. It's not proven that way. It has been intermittent and expensive. It was billed as creating hundreds of thousands of green jobs. That was a myth. In fact, it was a lie really to sell to the British public, something that would otherwise have been deeply unpopular. Most of those jobs have not materialised. Yeah. Many of these things, so they take solar farms, for example, are being made overseas, predominantly in China. We've let the British people down with these policies. You're right, we want energy security. We'll achieve that through an energy mix, which will be oil and gas. Gas will be here to stay,

11:11at least for the foreseeable future, and that might mean new gas-fired power stations. Yeah. There will be some role for renewables, absolutely. There's also going to be a big role for new nuclear. We want to see nuclear power stations billed across the country. But they take to, you know, something we've been talking about. Well, we'll be precise. Precisely. And these things... But we're going to change that, Harry. We're going to change that by liberalising our planning laws, using the planning laws that are available in countries like South Korea, for example, bringing those to the UK, getting these things built. And we said, for example, if a British company, like Rolls-Royce, lacked the balance sheet to get on and do these things, then we'd be willing to take a strategic stake in that, which is a different kind of policy to, certainly, the consensus that we've had in recent years, doing whatever's necessary to bring down people's bills. Because there's no path to prosperity for this country, unless we can ensure that we've got cheaper energy and we can be competitive. The moment industrial energy price in the UK... Well, is it better? You know, from being over in the States, four, five, six times more, you can't have heavily, you know, industry,

12:14energy-intensive industries here in the UK. And the worst thing that I worry about is that we've become a 95% service-based economy, because we've de-industrialised, and that is, at a moment, when the service sector in our country is about to be, if that is being, totally transformed by AI. So we're one of the most exposed economies in the world to AI, and there will be opportunities that will flow from that, absolutely. But for the middle-class people who are doing jobs, for example, the back offices of law firms, accountants, things about to get right. These are good jobs that are going to get lost. And so we've got to re-industrialise, as well as trying to navigate our way through the industrial revolution that's coming with AI. You've talked about planning. You've got the scars on your back from your own time as housing secretary, trying to get planning reform through mutant algorithms and the like. Labour have came into power this year. Rishi Sunak had to abandon planning reform attempts. Labour have basically watering stuff down, hitting nimbis and left-rightened centre.

13:15Reform are going to have the same problems coming in. What I don't understand is how you can be so confident now that you're going to do things so differently that every other single political party, the oldest political party in the Western world, and a radical Labour party promising radical change, hit the same stumbling blocks, the same road blocks, the same nimbis, the same blob, the same sort of inability to be able to come into power and pull these levers and do things quickly. Aren't you setting yourselves up for a fool's errand in the fact that you're going to have to stack the same problems as everyone else? Well, we have to learn the lessons from the states. So what would that be? Who would you do differently? Well, firstly, we've got a plan. Use this time what we have now in opposition to develop a team, build up a comprehensive, incredible plan as to how we do these things. Because let's be honest, most of our recent Prime Ministers came into office not knowing what they wanted to achieve, having not planned properly for it and failed accordingly. That's certainly the experience of Boris who wasted his majority, certainly the experience of Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeve who seemed like they've wasted there.

14:15So we're going to use this time wisely, but it does require a degree of political will. And we have that. We're being very clear about what we're going to do at very different energy policy. We are going to get the country building again. We're going to do serious reform of welfare, for example. And we're going to set these things out very clearly in advance. So there is no doubt in the minds of the public, but also the blob however you want to describe it, the civil service, the stakeholders that might hold us back. Be very clear about what we must set out to achieve. Also, Harry, I do think by the time of the next election, if it's not already abundantly clear to people, there's no alternative. This country is going bankrupt. We're in a mess. If someone, one party, does not grip this and turn it around, then I think our country is going to slip away. And that is why people are attracted to reform, because they think we have the will to do some difficult things that are now needed to fix our country. Reform ahead of the polls, but they are no more ahead than about 33. I think they got up to about 34% at one point.

15:16But they're now back into the high 20s. You say that people are paying and people want reform paying attention to it. As many people who want reform don't want reform, do you worry that you are going to be going into this as not even anywhere near to a majority of the public behind you and to do the things of this scale, these reforms that you're promising, you're going to need to take more than half the country with you. Yet you can't seem to break through that sort of psychological barrier about a third of voters. Well, I hope that we'll be able to win more voters in the next few years. And actually, I'm confident that we will be able to do that, because the choice is going to crystallize. Certainly, I think after May, when I think reform will be clearly the only national party and the only real opposition to Labour, that the next election is a simple choice. Do you want that change, which means Nigel and reform, or do you want some kind of coalition of the left? And then there will be millions of people

16:17who perhaps are skeptical of reform today, because we're a new party, who will come to the conclusion that I have done, that you've got to get behind reform. So I think we will see more people coming to us, but you're absolutely right, that we've got to be good in the months and years ahead, in explaining to public what we want to do, planning very carefully as to how we can do it, and then executing it, because the public was driven, the deep sense of frustration and anger in the country, which I actually share, is that people have seen successive governments come in without a plan, failing to turn the country around, and now the rubbers hit the road, and we're in this royal mess that we're in, right? The last two times that the reform have come into contact with voters, though, you've seen remarkable amounts of tactical voting for almost like an anyone but reform candidate. Well, you're doing about two by this, but then there are. Well, let me give you another one. Well, let me answer your point. No, let me make the whole of all the by-elections. Right, I know what you're saying. No, no, no, no, come on, if you look at all the by-elections

17:17we've had, reform of one, the majority of those. So you're looking at two by-elections, one in Wales, one in Manchester. But the reform actually did extremely well. Yeah, but not well enough, because the left essentially united against you to stop you, be that backing, the, you know, applied country, the kind of random Welsh nationalists, or a rag-tag bunch of Islamist and hippies, who united to stop you. I wouldn't personally carry you in. I wouldn't read too much into either of those by-elections. I look at what happened in May last year, where I reformed in extremely well, got 30 spend to the vote, 1,000 of council seats. I suspect you'll see exactly the same in May this year. We've been leading in the polls now, 250 opinion polls. But, you know, if there is to be a uniting of either the left or the right, then I would say to the millions of conservative voters out there. Fox News is now streaming live on Fox One. When news breaks, we don't just report it.

18:18We go beyond the headlines to get the full story, get live coverage, in-depth analysis and perspectives from the voices you trust, all in one place. Whether you're at home or on the go, stay connected to the stories shaping our world. Stream Fox News on Fox One. Download today. People who, you know, like myself had voted because of it, all their lives felt a degree of loyalty to the party, despite it letting them down. You've got a rally behind reform now. The right, if you like, a British politics, it is uniting, not through some kind of mythical pact or deal with the conservative party, but behind reform. And that's what you're going to see in the months ahead. If you want to get rid of labor, then you're going to have to go through. They're indebted to the greatest managers by election. The tour is what went down to 1.9%. And this is a seat that 99,000 people, I think, and it's out of pockets of great affluence, you know, your Ken Zingtons of this world.

19:20The conservative party doesn't really exist today. And I don't say that with any particular pleasure. You know, in places like R.Y., representing East Midlands, or I grew up in in the West Midlands, provincial Britain, because the party doesn't really exist. Reform now is the party of those places. And the party of working people more broadly. It's, you know, it's big online, it's big and round. It's got 300,000 or close to it, members, thousands of local counsellors. It's got a team now alongside Nigel in a way. It simply didn't have months ago. You know, there's a tremendous sense of energy behind this party. But you know, I've never seen it before. I'm trying to rebrand them for our American fans, the British midterms, but the very local election. Well, they are. They are, incredibly important elections. How confident you are that this is going to be a breakthrough. I think it will be an incredible moment where you'll see us doing incredibly well in Scotland, in Wales. And in England, it will be very striking that reform will be winning in rural Britain, in Suffolk and Essex, you know, in Norfolk.

20:21But also in our big cities, I think, about Birmingham, for example. We're going to do extremely well. And so you'll see reform emerge as the only national party in our politics. And that's incredibly important, because we want to be a party that can represent the whole country that we can be winning seats in Glasgow and in Essex. You know, no other party looks placed to do that. Well, we already have to unify, I think, as well, for the country. If you look at, you know, reform won some local council elections, nine or ten councils, which I think you're in control of now, last time, last year. Has it been a brilliant success in all of them? I think you could argue Durham's doing quite well. Kent's been a bit of a shit show, where I'm from. You know, the promises of sending in these doge units to cut loads of money, and then you suddenly realize, oh, wow, actually, most of it goes on social care. So you're not going to want to cut that. You're seeing scrappy infighting. You've seen promises to reduce council tax bills rejected. You're now the shadow chancellor. You're meant to be getting a grip on this.

21:23And it goes back to that whole thing. Again, I've just reformed going to meet the same roadblocks that everyone else does. You promise all this good stuff. We're going to sweep through these councils. But as soon as you get them there, have a look under the bonnet. And you realise that, you know, there is no money to collect bins and clear up litter. Because it's all going on on social care. Yeah, I don't dispute the fact that local councils across the country under immense pressure, the moment for all the reasons you've described, and the ability of an individual council to transform its finances is quite limited when 80% or 90% of the money is going on, adult social care, children's services. But I would dispute your characterisation of reform councils. Because, you know, these guys have only been running these councils for nine or ten months. But that's the right thing. And yeah, not going to get that, you're not going to get that excuse. Harry, Harry, let me finish the point. Reform councils, despite having only been at the helm for nine or ten months, are increasing council tax, for sure. But less than Conservative and Labour councils. Council politicians are. Well, I think that's a great achievement. Look at Kent, you raised Kent,

22:23and I was in Kent this morning with Lyndon, the great council leader that we have down there. Kent County Council is increasing council tax less than the Conservative administration did in each of the prior ten years. So, that's a good achievement. Do you think people are going to give you that? Do people are going to buy that when you say that on their leaflets are going to cut the Reform will cut your council tax? Well, they didn't say that. I'm pretty happy I can print it up. Well, you can try it wherever you like, Harry, because I can assure you, no Nigel never said that. No national reform leader. No, obviously, they might be councillors. The council say all sorts of things on leaflets with thousands of councillors across the country. But the point is, you know, you've got, on average, reform councils are raising councils less doing a better job than reform than labor or all conservatives have done. I think, you know, for new kids on the block that's a very good start. So, I'm going to new kids on the block. Glass question, I know you're a busy man. You've got to go and go, go, go, whip this party into shape. What's it like being a deflexer, jumping over? Yeah, was it? It's not easy.

23:23Have you lost friends? Yeah, yeah, I know it's hard. And, you know, I've had a lot of good will for people that I worked alongside in the Conservative Party, decent, patriotic people, both my colleagues and Westminster and, most importantly, the activists in my constituency. Are you trying to steer them up to come over, Andy? Well, it's not up to me, ultimately. It's an ideal to decide that. But I don't think there's a great deal of desire for reform to keep taking people from any of the old parties. Actually, what reform wants now is to find people from outside of politics, you know, doctors, nurses, veterans, farmers, business people, people who've been spurned by the old parties and can come in, put their shoulders to the wheel and help us to fix the country. And what about your new friends? How are they? Have you fitted in? They've been very, very good. We've been very, very good, so far. We've been very, very good, so far. We've been very, very good, so far. A proper, a thing lunch, yeah, with wine. I've been, yeah, I've started to put on weight again on these liquid lunches and your old horned boys down.

24:24Well, don't, don't, don't, well. No, actually, I tell you what, I've been incredibly impressed. Nigel is one of the most hardworking people I've ever met. I mean, this week, he and I were up in Darbyshire on Tuesday morning, where we took over a petrol station to put pressure on Rachel Rees to not hike fuel, due to, by the way. A sun camp, not in the long haul, in the Isle of White. The end of the day was in Basingstone. The energy that he brings, but, frankly, the whole party has is absolutely phenomenal and puts all the other old political parties to shame. Robert, Jim Rick, thank you for coming to save the West. The original solution to save the West, scrap net zero, right? Absolutely. But working people first. That's working on the East Lagoon, there we go. Robert, Jim Rick, thanks for joining us. Thank you. If you get subscribed, we'll see you next time. President Barack Obama. Virginia, we are counting on you. Republicans want to steal enough seats in Congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power

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