ENOUGH: Golden State Warriors Should HALT All-In Moves After Steph Curry’s Injury Update

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Let's get into it.

A Curry update on today's show, The Tough Decisions, LJ Time.

Now please, and what's up next for the Golden State Warriors, or some would call them

the Olden State Warriors, who, according to a recent report, almost got even older.

That's a tease.

We'll get into all this on today's program.

I mean, it's a beautiful day.

It's been a beautiful few days in the Bay Area, just blistering sun.

Good vibes all around.

I don't know how the weather is all across this world, but I will say March Madness for

the basketball fans.

We got games all around the clock like vibes are good, except for the Golden State Warriors.

Times are not good.

Two straight losses to the Utah Jazz and to the Chicago Bulls one away and the Bulls

at home makes it feel like this season is toast.

And then reality, we all know what this season is.

It's a season that basically has a winner-go-home game at some point, whether it's 7, 8, 9, or

10.

One game to move on for your season or you're going home.

It's a Steph Curry watch, which the latest, by the way, is such he will be out for another

10 days.

This is back to yesterday stretching five more games.

There has been notable progress.

He's back in the court expected to intensify workouts and upcoming days.

Absence will reach at least 20 games.

But Steph Curry's injury should change any plans the dub have of adding to this current

window.

That's take number one on today's show, Plain and Simple.

The team is not very good, but expectation management, Kulski said it on the show the

other day.

You got to remember Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler, both those guys out, the cast of characters

that you do have because of injuries, because of age, because of easing players back into

it.

Most are on minutes restrictions.

And frankly, most of the teams you've played have had the more talented player at the top.

Like Kianta George is probably more talented than anyone the Warriors have at this point.

Modus Bezelis clearly more talented than anyone the Warriors have because the Warriors are

touting Pajemski and Guy is maybe one A1B right now in terms of putting the ball on the

basket.

I'm telling you, Guy or Pajemski's not going for 41 like Modus Bezelis did.

And we knew this before the stretch like we knew that both those players on both those

teams had better dudes than the dubs, but the dubs had been winning games.

They had been staying afloat.

And because of that, maybe we got ahead of our skis, but this injury should change any

plans that they have and the plans that they did have.

It sounds like Anthony Slater confirmed that they had contacted the Clippers to discuss

a Kauai Leonard trade at the All-Star break.

We found that over the weekend at the deadline.

And the terrifying thought just came to me that what if this ended prematurely?

It doesn't look that grim.

It sounds like Curry's probably going to be back at some point this season.

I hope so.

Warriors fans may be indifferent on this, but I hope you get a stab at the Oklahoma City

Thunder in the first round.

Even if you don't win, you know, steal a couple.

Get some Curry moments, give you some energy going into next year for what is going to

be the last hurrah.

I mean, there's no other way around it.

We'll tell you about that in just a moment.

But the terrifying thought crossed my mind like, what if this was a lesson on why you can't

commit any deeper to a 38 year old with runners knee, even if that 38 year old is Steph Curry

and he's playing an all NBA level when he's playing.

Situations are always nuanced.

There is always circumstances that come into play that that you've never seen before

that are unprecedented.

LeBron playing until his 40s is unprecedented.

But now with James Hardin and with Kevin Durant and with Steph Curry and other guys entering

their late 30s, kind of following suit, all the sudden you believe, even though the

history books that the basketball historians will tell us that this doesn't happen.

And that a runner's knee that is not bone damage, it's just overuse.

It's basically father time.

It's a lot of miles put on those knees.

That's terrifying because you truly don't know when the end is with something like that.

Especially with Steph, someone that probably wants to play a little golf and needs the knees.

He's done it all at this point is contracts ending next season.

So it's very fair to point to at least the end of next season saying it could be it with

him as a warrior.

If you had the idea of him going into his early 40s and signing another maybe team friendly

extension, I know there have been some talks about that.

Should you count on it?

The history books tell you not do not trade another pick.

Now I said Janice changes plans, but that's mainly because he can be your next plan for

at least a little.

He's young enough.

He's awesome enough to wear if he stayed healthy.

You got rid of a couple of draft picks.

You have Janice on your team and plenty of cap space.

But aside from him, keep the picks.

You already averted disaster, potentially trading for Michael Porter Jr. or trade Murphy

and then Butler slash Curry going down the following weeks.

Did they avoid disaster trying to poach Kauai Leonard, huh?

I mean, Kauai Leonard's been awesome, awesome, like top five in the NBA, awesome.

And you can't tell me otherwise for a team that was dead in the water.

I believe six and 21.

That sounds about right.

All of a sudden they're above 500 and they've climbed past the warriors.

You kidding me?

Sure.

It's Garland and Garland and Benedict Matherin.

Nice additions to what they're trying to do.

Give some some pop.

Yannick Cohnant, Neater Houser has been better.

Just some of their role players have played a more significant role as of late, but take

away that.

And it's just Kauai Leonard flat out being on the floor and all of a sudden his impact

taking over games, doing what he wants it will, knocking down the three ball at an

all time level, shooting the three ball at a clip that he never has before.

I mean, he'd be nice.

And if you had Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry, like obviously you make that trade, you give

up the picks.

But with that no longer being reality, even though it could be your reality next year,

it's time to shut everything down.

Get John Taffer, shut it down.

The window has been set.

You let this team try to compete next year.

Make some smart moves.

Christaphe Porzingus were watching that development and whether he can be a move entering next season.

But another draft pick should not go out the door unless it's roster management, flipping

a player that no longer makes sense.

I'm not naming any names with a draft pick for a player that's already established plus

maybe a second rounder, something along those lines.

But in terms of just straight up draft swap to bring in a player.

Two first rounders in a contract to bring in trade Murphy, even though he's not on

the table.

I keep saying that name.

No thanks.

Now again, if we got into a pick for a picker to for someone like Zion, that again is

young enough to bridge the future, sure.

But there's got to be an age limit over under 34 and a half if we're 32 and a half.

We're talking over in that situation and he's not on a friendly contract.

I mean, just forget about it.

This team needs to get young talent, not fringe talent that over achieves, gets people's

hopes up and then struggles and makes you remember, oh, yeah, this guy was just on a two-way

contract.

And that's what it feels like right now.

We'll continue this conversation coming up plus we got to get into L.J.

Cryer.

He's been good, man.

He has been good.

Why can't we see some more of them coming off an injury, sure that has something to do

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All right, let's continue this conversation.

Move forward with whether Steph Curry should return.

And first of all, we'll get to the chat since we got one person in the live chat as of

right now during a work day, during the afternoon, just getting some content out for the

folks.

And he says, it's Isaac.

Thank you, sir.

What do you think of Dremons comments about the Golden State Warriors fans?

I think it's to simply put as this, you can't blanket everything together.

You can't, Dremon Green can't simply say if you think that I should no longer be a

Golden State Warrior, then you're a loser.

You should probably go to loser school.

You should revoke your Warriors fandom.

You don't know what it's like to be a winner.

You've never been in these locker rooms, Sayonara, you can't say all that you can't also look

past what Dremon Green has accomplished as a Golden State Warrior.

So saying that he's no longer an effective member of this team does not also imply that

he wasn't last season or the season prior or he played a big role in 2022, even though

he did struggle in Boston from what I remember.

But that's, you can't blanket everything together.

And I thought it's a little bit tone deaf to say that.

I think there are plenty of Warriors fans out there that would love Dremon to retire

a warrior.

I think there are plenty of fans out there that would love for Dremon to retire a warrior.

But don't see that in reality.

They don't see it making sense anymore.

And I think there are plenty of Warriors fans out there that would not care if Dremon

retired a warrior.

I don't think you can go as someone's fandom.

I don't think you can question how they feel.

I don't think you can go as someone's ball knowledge when the analytics back up that,

frankly, the non-ball-knowers right now are probably knowing more than the ball-knowers

when it comes to Dremon because the ball-knowers, Steve Kerr, front office, whatever, they're

the ones that continue to play them.

And the nerds, the analytics that the fans are the ones that continue to watch and see

that his impact is not that strong right now, frankly.

So that's just my thought on the matter.

I don't like them calling out fans, but I don't think it was necessarily calling out the

fans.

It was more so calling out the, yeah, I guess it was calling out the fans.

I can't really spin that.

Can't spin that cobweb into a spider web that was the worst analogy I've ever heard.

Oh my God.

Let's move on.

Tough decisions this time of the year.

Like the window has been set.

You make them compete next year.

Again, no more draft picks out the door.

This team needs to get young talent.

Money's coming off the books, $150 million of it.

Free agency will be big in years to come.

But what did free agency look like last off season?

The answer is really nothing.

Nobody trades extensions.

Free agent signings?

No.

You didn't get much of those.

Not many long term deals for players that weren't already in house in that pre-agency.

That's why Chris Daps looks likely assuming he works out everyone else.

The warriors have to accept the reality that they've gone all in.

There's no more going all in.

They've gone all in as much as they can.

Chris Daps panning out is pivotal for a competitive final year, and I mean truly competitive.

I mean with them, you never know.

But aside from him, you can't get loose with the draft capital now.

You've made it this far.

No matter how good Steph is, this is what you got.

Now, if you wanted to talk Dremon and a draft pick for essentially a player that's not

getting a lot of run on another team, trying to think, you know, if you hit a Denver

and said like, hey, we want Peyton Watson and we want him now.

Give us Dremon green and we'll throw in a first round pick as well or we'll give you

Dremon throwing a first round pick something along those lines to where the money worked

out.

Then it's a different story because you're talking about a player that leads you into

the next iteration.

But if it's just some rolled dude, no thanks, overpaid, no thanks.

The runner's knee is proof that one lingering injury is all it takes for this thing to be

over.

Can't have it.

If you have the idea that Steph has a lot of time, he thinks he does, but truly nobody

knows.

Life comes at you quick.

And the wear and tear runner's knees frightening, it should also be clarity and closure on doing

anything else significant, aside from seeing how this next year and a half plays out because

I don't even think you can tear it down.

Even if you wanted to.

I don't even know if you can tear it down.

You kind of just got to let this thing expire.

We all know what happened here.

Mike made it very clear of what they were trying to do with the contracts that they have

on the books right after that Jimmy Butler trade.

I mean, our lines up, Porzingus at this point essentially lines up, it all lines up.

You don't have much long term.

For those of you saying do more to help Steph, should have done that in 2023, but you can't

look to the past.

We do not have a crystal ball.

We do not shake the eight ball, unfortunately, socks, but that's just the reality of where

we stand as Warriors fans in this present moment.

What they can do is at least give some of the players that have shown flashes a little

more run, maybe shrink the rotations.

I'm talking potential platoon and you say Chuck, what's what's talk of platoon?

This isn't 2015 Kentucky, well, it did work for them.

Devin Booker coming off the bench, but 35 minutes of LJ Cryer, I need it and I need

it now.

Why is there hesitation to give this guy free reign?

And this could be ag on the face, it could be a bad take, whatever, I don't care.

There's not really a good take you can have on the Warriors right now.

Every take that you have is proved to be different the next day.

Like truly, if you ranked the Warriors role players in terms of who you'd like to see

on the team, have the biggest role moving forward.

Just the power rankings of keep him and when you'd get seven million different answers,

you found two there were like it'd be like winning the lottery.

People are going pods first, people are going moody first, people are going melting first,

people are going, there's someone out there going porzinga first, he's still got it

in him.

If someone out there to San Will Richard goes first, then who goes for two, then who goes

for three?

Where do you slot in Quentin post?

Where's Guy Santos?

It's not that confusing all around the league.

Just point now to random team, anyone Miami, it's hero, it's bam, it's go down the list.

You get to a certain point, it's paylay Larson, get to a certain point, it's maybe a young

player like Casperous, Davian Mitchell.

But you have like hierarchy, here it just seems like it's random.

And a lot of that is due to the fact that you're two best players, two most expensive players

are out for the season, and your third most expensive player is a defensive specialist

at this point.

That doesn't provide much on offense.

And even when he does have really good games, unless you're really watching the nuts

and bolts, they don't look like that good a game.

It's like a dream on eight, seven and nine game can sometimes be incredible if you watch

his impact offensively and what he does.

But why is there a hesitation to give LJ free reign?

It's averaging 11 and a half points in 18 minutes per game this month.

Now, he's coming back from injury.

That may have something to do with it, some sort of a restriction.

And hopefully that limits restriction and that load management and that game in, game

out.

We don't know what's going on.

Take a game off here, take a game off there.

Hopefully, at some point, that ends and we can get a form of consistency.

But that's just kind of how it's been all season.

I'm not saying you play LJ Cryer for 35 minutes and he goes for 25 because the splits would

line up that way that if you double his minutes, he's going to be averaging about 23 a game.

But can we find out just once in the next week or two, can we start finding out, Cryer's

yet to play more than 21?

Could this stem from the injury ramp up?

Is that big question that I ask you in the chat?

But even in preseason, he went for 25 points in 22 minutes and two games then proceeded

to get only 17 minutes the next two preseason games.

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Destroyed Jimmy, a domino, I know Jimmy drink is great wine.

So we talked about LJ Cryer's minutes and again, 11 and a half points in 18 minutes per

game this month.

This is a guy that played 20 games as a freshman on a national championship Baylor team.

He improved every season, then wound up leading his team last year, the Houston Cougars

to a national championship runner up and was a third team all American.

And I get that he's small.

I understand why he may not have the physical measurables to wind up a long-term NBA guy,

but can we find out?

This is like me begging on 95 seven back in the day to just see what Tray Lance was about.

Give him a shot because Garoppolo is not the future and honestly, that was kind of a

bad take because Garoppolo ended up pulling it together in the Niners.

I think made it to the NFC championship game before losing to the Rams.

That sounds about right.

They were right there.

But at the time I was like, give us some Tray Lance just to see what the Niners even have

in that situation.

And the difference was Jimmy Garoppolo was at least formidable and you thought maybe

he had a few more years and then potentially if you were in love with that idea of Jimmy

G.

Right now there's not really any logic unless you're a die hard Pat Spencer guy, all of Pat

Pat Colski.

We're going to start calling him Pat Colski, Pat Colski.

Unless you're like that and really love his play and his future for the dubs, who's

to say that we can't find out, we shouldn't find out.

If you can't beat the jazz and the bulls, can we take away some knowledge with personnel?

Just some knowledge on what the warriors have longer term with some of these younger

guys.

He was saying on the other day, the time or place was terrible.

Matt, if you're listening, take a tip from the young buck here.

When Pat Spencer goes for 17 and Brandon Pajewski's plus minus was terrible and we all

saw it with our own eyes.

He did not have a good game and and dream on fouls, a shooter with two seconds left.

Your opening talking point should not be about Pat Spencer, but I get what you were trying

to say.

I'm basically saying that you know what Pat is.

So let's find out what the other guys have in him because these games truly mean nothing.

That's the sad reality, but it is reality.

They mean nothing.

You're going to the play in whether Pat gets 30, whether pods gets 30, whether LJ gets

30.

It doesn't matter.

Find out what you have.

If the counter argument is let's run Pat for his role in the playoffs, it's going to be

a short playoff run.

Now, if you said the same thing about LJ Cryer, you'd probably be right at the end of

the day.

You'd probably be right.

But can we at least find out?

This is a staff that did not give a damn about Ryan Rollins, who now could help your team

quite a bit.

Andries had to decimate the team for Gees Santos to be forced into the role of I'm a

hooper.

Hell, at this point, like I said, Kentucky, I am fine with the game by game platoon.

Kind of joking, but give me a night where I see Richard, Cryer, Seth, Porford, pods,

Williams, Guy, getting the bulk of the minutes.

And then the next night we'll go Spencer, Melton, Moody, Porzingus, Peyton, the Owens,

Dremon, Mix and Match.

See what we got?

May the best man win and by playoff time, shrink that rotation to eight.

If you wanted to shrink a rotation to eight right now, what would your eight be?

Really?

I like Richard.

I mean, you can't say Cryer at this point.

Can you say Seth at this point, Horford, Half the Warriors would say, absolutely, Pajemski.

The other half would say, Send him down to Santa Cruz, Williams, probably not.

Gees Santos, I think so, Melton, Moody, Porzingus, you know, Peyton's going to play, you know,

Dremon's going to play, Steph's going to play, like, where does this all work?

I want to figure out where it all works.

And to me, the platoon thing's kind of exciting because you're taking games off anyways.

So make it predictable.

Have eight guys play with eight and eight guys.

One guy play with eight, you get what I'm saying there.

Make the lineups consistent because they're so damn inconsistent.

That's a very long way of saying, just give LJ Cryer more minutes, even if it's 35,

99, 0 than next fine.

But he looks good in the minutes he has and I've yet to see him get a full game.

I've yet to see him be able to handle the league like it's a Houston Cougars game.

I know it's not the same, but let's just see it.

Why not?

What are we missing out on?

A loss to the balls and the jazz?

Come on now.

So many players seem equal on this team.

Let's figure out who the best ancillary pieces are for the future.

This team has NBA players.

We know they don't have a cornerstone piece.

Everyone's power rankings of the Warriors would be different.

That is my takeaway.

Final takeaway on today's show before we get into the Warriors schedule moving forward.

That is a seven o'clock Pacific time tip off with the Minnesota, the Denver Wolves from

Chase Center Wolves 40 and 26 Warriors 32 and 33 again, no Steph Curry for at least five

more games.

Not the news that Warriors fans wanted, but it is the reality of the situation right now.

Very unfortunate.

All right.

Let's finish off for those of you that stuck around with us during a live show during

the workday.

I mean, it's 230 Pacific time.

Let's see what everyone's got.

Who are locked on Warriors, Isaac?

We appreciate it.

We got some hellos.

Have green come off the bench.

Well, that goes into what I was saying about the platoon lineup.

See him certain games and then the next game make it predetermined that he's not going

to be playing with the other lineup and let's see how they look without him.

Let's let analytics dictate this thing instead of instead of good fuzzy feelings of what

was.

Things do end.

Warriors do get old.

Washing ups do happen and frankly, roles just change.

Needs change and this team's needs have clearly changed from we need the one to punch

that the dream on gives you with Steph Curry, the two man action that they provide as compared

to hey, we need someone that keeps us afloat that can play both ways.

They can also pass the ball little but can penetrate and finish and pull up from five

feet and do things that Dremont can't do.

G4M says Chuck, let's be real.

It's time to pack it up, time pack it up, pack it up, send this thing back to Cal Palace,

pack it up.

It's done.

I just don't know how you do that.

I mean, you can do some little things like again, trading Dremont, Butler's contract is

going to be hard to trade.

Coming off an ACL like this just kind of lines up is it's going to be packed up automatically.

We got a couple days left on the trip, we're in Cancun right now, it's senior year.

We've already lost our passports, all our buddies are home.

We need to go to the American Embassy and unfortunately we're, or fortunately, depending

on who you ask, the drink package is still alive, but we're stuck there.

We're stuck there.

We can't leave.

It's like we may as well enjoy it, right?

We're still here.

And that analogy is not because I lost my passport in Cancun.

I did, but it was found three hours before the flight, seven hours before the flight.

Then senior frogs, God, terrible times, truly terrible.

G4, let Dremont rest, Curry's never coming back this season, continue to let pods play

38 plus minutes and let's see how it goes.

I wouldn't say he's not coming back.

He's a competitor and he is not going to have many more cracks at this.

I mean, if it is runners need, who's to say this doesn't pick up next year and this will

be his last meaningful basketball game?

You don't think that he wants to play in Curry moment and have seven cracks at the best

team in basketball with a new shiny toy in Chris F. Wersengas if he can stay healthy.

I just don't think he's going to rest all season.

I think even if it's four or five games before the playoffs, that's enough ramp up time

to give him a shot in the play in.

You get a couple days of rest and go from there.

Beauty.

Curry looks happy on the bench like he already knows and face the fact that he's not coming

back this season.

Maybe possible.

Q post should get more minutes again, goes into the hierarchy, sure there are Warriors

fans out there that say now that poor Zingas is here.

Why do we need QP?

Anyways, this is Lockdown Warriors, part of the Lockdown podcast network.

Appreciate you all.

Enjoy an unbelievable day across the Bay Area right now.

Basketball on full display.

My team is finito, they blew an eight point lead in a minute 30 yesterday.

Yes, that happened.

So we went Warriors, Bearcats back to back in my household and both were brutal.

I don't know what was worse.

It was very similar, frankly, the Warriors Bulls loss was up there.

But the Bearcats, when they called a time out with point two on the clock, no set was

happening.

They were running a high pick and roll with seven foot of the can't shoot and he had

the ball in his hands.

They called time out point two on the clock, fireable offense and their coach will get fired.

Anyways, that's enough of that knowledge.

You don't need any of it.

Bracket predictions, I've got nothing for you.

I will say we'll be watching closely at some of these guys because the Warriors are going

to need talent entering next season.

I'll be scouting.

I'll be looking out there, Bennett Sturds, whoever the hell may fall to like 15 in the draft.

I'll be, I'll be scouting and we'll be getting these hot boards up soon on who the Warriors

should be looking after because there's a good chance that this thing is done mid April.

Sucks, but we've had long summers.

I guess into the early stages of summer, considering the giants go until, you know, September

October, you called June very early stages of summer, but we go, we get into summer, you

know, and although Bayer is summer, it depends who you ask when it is, right?

Mark Twain.

All right.

This is Locton Warriors, part of Locton podcast network, your team every day.

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The Winter Games are officially here, and if you're anything like us, you're locking

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