Ep 1022. The Legends Series - Allan Fitzgibbon - The Rugby League Gentleman! (Pt 2)

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We're going to be daunted by that.

Sir, I really don't know.

I was a hairy bath with a cage and he was very, very plain-hearted and fidgety.

He said, you'll be okay.

Now where are you?

See you folks will look after you.

He was going all right, then I got busted and I got done the ankle.

I'm probably going to head into the adult trial line and take it over.

Yeah.

And the lock got me from behind.

I was, I think, played with the quiz every day, just, I think of his name.

Anyhow, he got me from behind and I done the ankle line.

I was virtually, I struggled from then on for the rest of the season.

Oh.

Because it was just, it was a bad injury.

Yeah.

And I said, I went to Physione, a virtually day in, day out for months, didn't, didn't make the,

well, I got back a couple of times with it, you knew, you knew for a while, you, I wasn't right.

Yeah, shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been there.

Tell us about a hairy bath, what was he like?

A hairy was good, a hairy was excellent, yeah.

No, a hairy was, a hairy was fine, and actually when I finished the, the tigers, he said,

well, he said, the spot here, if you want to, I said, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I made

me mind out where I'm going, yeah.

One guy that doesn't get a lot of the wraps, but so many of my guests who played against

him or saw a lot of him say he's every bit the immortal, Billy Smith, was, was Billy that

good?

Yes.

No argument.

Yeah.

Could play anywhere as tough, as tough as you want to say.

Wow.

Incredible person.

Very, very, very, very, very passionate, and I've said, I've been to many stilers, games

down here in Bulldogon, and he's put in there, and I've always gone, I've gone, settle

out, if it's air going, and he's always put it that way, you know.

Wow.

Bit of a rogue.

Yes.

That's probably, put it more, and that's how he, that's how he was, you know, enjoyed life

and it's just a good person.

Random question about that dragon side of the late 50s and 60s.

We speak regularly about the immortals, the langans, the gaseous, the rapes, the provenes.

We've just spoken about Billy Smith, but it was a side across the park that had quality.

What are your fondest memories of that dragon side that won 11 straight because you would

have grow up idolizing those guys?

Well, I'd be honest, but I did.

Yeah.

I used to miss my dad and I, so I set it up in the government without a saturday afternoon

listening to the football, and whoever was a case, you know, listen, when it went to

the George played.

Really?

Yep.

Yep.

So your footy career is on the up and up, be the side city life isn't for you.

Tell us about that, mate, and how you came to the decision you did to walk away from

the NSW.

Well, I'd probably come to the fact that my wife, to be, was a churchist college in Malungal

and we were getting married, and I know for well, she wouldn't have had a lot of life.

She didn't like to do it.

I spoke to her in the country, boy, a lot of times you weren't home because of the training

and things that you had to do.

So it wasn't, to me, it wasn't hard at all.

It's just a case of where I was going to go and what I was going to do.

So I finished up a friend of mine, Noel Yamens, he said, well, OK, come to Bolognese, I'll

get you.

I said, you can get the Wollongong coaching job, you have to come and talk to the bosses

first.

He's the most sure to.

He organized that for me and I was going to go down there and the Wollongong chairman,

but they never turned up.

So that was sort of a bit of a result, not to worry, and he said, well, I'll make a phone call

so he made a phone call out to, to, to, to, to, to, to, caramel.

He said, he loved to talk to you.

Wow.

He went with, with Noel, had a aunt, and he said, Ellen, he said, you, you, you can have

the job, but it's 12 months.

He said, can you talk, George Evans, there's got 12 months to go on his contract.

Yeah.

He said, you're welcome to come and play.

No troubles at all.

He said, well, money will be, no, object will fix that part up for you.

And he said, you'll take the coaching job over in 12 months and I said, well, that's

probably not what I, what I really wanted.

Yeah.

I was probably looking at getting the coaching as quick as I could, because I'm coming

at a Sydney first grade, so I, I think I'm going all right.

Yeah.

So I went back to Sydney and Bobby Sputis, Bobby, John Bellman from, from, from DAPTAH.

And he said, I've got a tip, tell me that you're, you're looking for a coaching job.

I said, well, I am.

I was, my son in the story said, I'll make a phone call.

So he made the one phone call on the, on the same day, on the same night, they rang me

back.

They said, we heard you're listening for, looking for a coaching job.

I saw what I was until a couple of, two days ago.

Yeah.

And they said, well, we're, we're interested if you would, but so I said, well, I can't

get out of the weekend.

We're not the weekend was, was lost, you know, put in place in the way we went.

Geez.

It was over 50 years ago now, do you regret getting a season to walk away from Sydney or

right move?

From my point of view, I've known, doubt that it was the best thing for me.

And likewise, my wife, not in the future family was, it was, I think all along with

the moves were, it was probably, so it was a bit of a place, a, a bigger place in

Garbon, not as big as Sydney.

Correct.

And there was, there was everything down here that we needed in life.

And that's, that's why we're here.

50, it was 54, 55 years, 54 years coming up now, I guess, we're saying, we're still

here.

That's what it is.

Very good.

Down's been excellent.

It's amazing.

Life has different moments where decisions do change the, you know, the course of your

life, but you're happily married for over 50 years, lovely kids, grandkids, it's only

footy.

I mean, if we're being honest, you made the right choice.

When was the coaching, when did the coaching become of interest to you or had you thought

about coaching while you were playing or how did it come about?

I probably, it probably wasn't something I probably thought I was going to do.

But then when I put all the things, put everything in a place for what was going to be best

for myself and my wife.

And I know the Sydney, Sydney way of life wasn't going to be what she would want.

So I had to sacrifice some other things and I thought, well, yeah, I could have gone

to college and played, but I thought to myself, well, if I'm going to take the part

now, when you're coming out of Sydney first, going to my, I'll take the top job, I'm

going to see how I go with it.

And that's how it happens.

You play with an against and coach against a young Warren Ryan, who was also a country

first rep in a South Coast captain coach.

What was the walk like back then as a younger bloke?

Was he as angry as what he would end up?

Or was he okay?

I know you're on very, very well.

He said he was, he'd done a very, very good job down here.

He was in the original Ilaraside, right?

When the first year I'd come down, and I always picked this captain, but I'd done

me ribs.

I missed the first game in the second game, only played in the third game, right?

Which we won.

We built Newcastle.

And that was the first Ilarad and ever won a country championship.

Wow.

And after that Warren and I, if it is a Teddy Gubun, Warwick Schull, all the adaptable

likes, we were all picked in the country side, they got on a touring of Queensland.

So I became very, very close with friends with Warren all over there.

She's, they walked around the corner tomorrow, even I'll be talking football for the next

afternoon.

He's a genuine footy guy and changed the way coaches looked at games, didn't he?

He was, his career was absolutely outstanding.

Yes.

Was he the one that bought an emphasis on defence for NRL?

I think he was.

He changed the defence of a lot and he made your work hard and that was, that was probably

something that we were, well, when we played together, he was probably the same, same

of me.

You don't want to knock, but exactly.

We don't want to win the team.

It's simple.

That's how, it was very simple.

Yeah.

No, I just probably worked on that same philosophy.

You've seen it over the, over the years, you know?

1982 and here come the Yellow War of Steel, as you're named as the inaugural coach.

What an incredible honour is a local boy.

That's how I see it.

Were you the same or was it just a job?

Well, it probably, it was a case that when it was, when you was coming up, there's sort

of, once they got put in, they did several opportunities before, but they weren't allowed

to do it.

Because down here at the particular time, the football in Wollongong was outstanding.

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Yeah.

We can play all of Sydney's size and the only time they'd put us in the last ten minutes

of the game.

It's really that was only fitness, the fitness levels that they had that we didn't have,

we didn't try to push that early.

Okay.

So I just felt all the way along.

There was opportunities for us to probably be okay when it come in.

Yeah.

But there's a lot of, a lot of problems with headaches and that wouldn't have first

started, trust me.

I bet.

You're going to get that with any new club, aren't you?

Yes.

Whether it's a merged club or a new club, and it's, it takes time to sort of,

sort of out the kinks in any business.

I think probably the part also that, to progress a bit was a fact that a lot of good kids

from down here had already gone to Sydney, and they'd made their own life as far as,

you know, they'd come out of the Elora football, they were employing the top grade.

Yeah.

There was many of those that would have been, or just ideal players for, for the Elora.

For you, yeah, yeah.

What type of coach were you?

Well, I know it's an odd question, a tough question to answer, because you got a self-analysed,

but how would you describe yourself as a coach?

I probably haven't read it, looked at that one that told, I know, I know it's some good

success with the depth.

I don't know, I thought, what I did was, was, was okay.

Yeah.

We won four, four campsite.

It took me a while to get to that, but that was probably our own fault, where it was

the case of, I was dealing with, when I was adept on the first come, I was dealing

with four selectors and myself as a coach, but he told me, I was up there that the team

was picked before I even got to it, so that, I was able to get that change some time later,

and from then on we started, we started, then we started winning camps, the G was pride

of that, we had some players that were good enough to, where, players in the club adapt

good enough to win the camp, but were in the wrong spots.

Wow.

What was important to you as a coach, was it, was it fitness, was it talent, was it dedication,

was it defence, what did you see as important in footy?

Well, I think probably, the part that was most important to me was, you had to have people

that wanted to play with you, or for you, or for the club, that was the most important

part, you could have gone and gotten any Tom Dick and Harry or wanted, but they weren't

people that you wanted, or wanted to get on the same path as you, you didn't, you didn't

need them, and I stuck with that, and a lot of the players I had, I had players that

stay with me for many years, and out of that, we've set a lot of kids to Sydney, that

was the most important part, for you were able to win it, to get there with, with all

of us, go, go do it.

Yep.

As exciting as a new team is, I don't think people always appreciate just how tough it

is entering in a league competition and playing against clubs and sides that have effectively

had 75 years head start on you, what were the biggest challenges you faced as a Steelers

coach?

I think the biggest challenge we had was trying to put it together to start with, because

everyone was trying to take the opportunity of having a yard with us, that was only one

reason, booking after their own sales at their own clubs, and we had many, many people

that we thought we were over the line with, at the end of the day, no, it wasn't right.

So when you think back, we were able to get some of the good kids we had, we'd already

sent us in, we were able to get them back, and placed like, you know, Johnny Dora coming

out of, you know, out of mainly first grade, you said, when Bob, Neil would have mentioned

that to me, I said, Bob, no chance, he said, I'll give it a run, if it's to that, but

it's in here, John comes straight up, he said, why don't you come to me earlier, which

was good, but that, yeah, let's say, there was, to start off with, it was a tougher

assignment, you know, the biggest problem is, you know, right off the air shell, this

was, we, we got to go in one early, said they'd go all the way through and get, get

them to out up, but we, you know, we, we finished up, I thought we went okay, for what

we had, and that's unfortunate, we couldn't, we couldn't get any, any others, because all

the, all the reserved great kids now, and our third grade, so we're all young kids, like

they're all locals, local boys, local boys, it took the opportunity to come and play, where

they could have played first grade for their own clubs, you know.

We mentioned the win early, Sunday, March 14, 1982, it was against South Sydney, 20 points

to 10, a win for the Steelers, the first win for the Steelers was in Wollongong. Now, I

did one of these interviews with the man you've just mentioned, John Doherty, and out

of all of the recollections that he has over a terrific career, he remembers this one

really, really fondly, I bet you do too.

Well, that and that, it took the heat off, put it that way.

Yeah, the pressure was off everyone, it's out of your game, but we'd done it, yeah.

From then on, yeah, it's plenty of time, you know, we got, we got flogged a couple of

times on the good sides, and then some of the better sides, we really, we're really hung

with them, you know, so I was very, very pleased with that, you know, okay, we're still

finished second, second last on the ladder, but we put, we, we worked very hard to get

what we did, how well were the Steelers received by the, the community on the South Coast?

Excellent, we couldn't, we couldn't fault the people, they were standing for us, yeah.

And they can see an opportunity, I think a lot of the people sick of it, so you all

had good kids going to Sydney. I bet. And all of a sudden, and over the years,

everyone's we started, some of the teams that they built up were all the local kids,

and that was that, to me, that was the most important part of it.

Johnny Dore here originally, a local, how important was he, and getting him and getting

him to captain the Steelers, how important was he in the berth?

Well, without a doubt, it's, I wouldn't have thought it'd, you know, left mainly,

it'd come to us. But as he said, it's about, you make up, I'm back home, that's where I,

that's where I am. Yeah. And to this day, I still go out with him, probably every couple of

months for dinner with that while I wasn't there. Lovely. Just, just a great person, great

person. Ninety-two, Ninety-three, what stands out from that period of the Steelers,

but tough times. They were tough times, but I thought we'd put ourselves away,

we weren't trying to blow the bridge up overnight. It's going to be a long process to get

where the club wanted to be. And unfortunately, that chains over, probably, I suppose,

through super league. Yeah. It probably was the worst part of it. But then other things

happened as well later on. But we're still providing something that the locals can follow.

I don't think that's the most important part. In 2026, and you will know this with your

son Craig catching at the sharks, but staff numbers at a club, outnumber the players numbers.

What type of staff did you have Adilawari in 1982? I'd myself, I had two other coaches,

and I had two selectors. That's it. That was the playing side. Yeah. And we had a couple

managers and things like that, but that was all, I have to say, you're all budget part,

and all those bikes, they give their own time. There's no such thing as any pilot.

Can you believe how professional it is now? It's a different game. It's a different ball game,

and I think for the better. Do you? I do think for the better.

Providing that doesn't get out of hand. Yeah. But we know, I was only looking watching some

footage last night. A pen with them, they started. Yeah. Their support in those days was

probably less than what Illawari had when they started. Yeah. But look at them today. That's

all happened for them. So down the line, you'd like to think the same thing can happen for

whoever comes to make the, comes to the party, make sure it works right? Absolutely.

Almost a decade after the Steelers, you coach a Cranulla. That's when I first met you,

and actually I've had this discussion with Craig since you were so nice to me as a young bloke,

so quiet, so calm. You're actually unlike any coach that I met previous. Is that just you as a

person and as a coach? Probably not. I just like, I wouldn't say that exactly how I was all

the way through. Yeah. But Jack always, I was at the pleasure of you know, being able to go to

Cranulla through Jack Gibson. Yep. Jack had a job to do in Queensland, which was coaching the

Queensland countryside. Okay. And he rang me a line of a Met Jack. He said what it was, he said

it's a Queensland countryside. He said, I want you to go to Queensland and speak to

Ron McAuliffe. Ron McAuliffe. Ron McAuliffe. Anyhow, he said, I want you to go to

Sue McAuliffe. I said, I said, I said, when he said, tomorrow. That's how it was. I went back

to me and Boston said, look, this has come up. I told him, he said, you can go and go and see what

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I went up, they got, they just tell me what to do. I said, I didn't, I had to make the

device, you know, that one of them. They picked the tune and I got the place, that's how,

I'd say it worked out. But out of that, there was probably a half a dozen or a seven or eight

bucks. Probably eight, probably no one was. All finished up live for the straight in the local

lake. Really? Not only at Brisbane, they were elsewhere. They were live at the place.

So it wasn't telling the crew. Very telling the time. Wow.

Very telling the time. Well, let me show you, there's Friday down there, I'll bring up the show.

Okay. Yeah. Did you enjoy the experience of the dollar?

Yeah. Well, the Kerala was excellent. They just said, Jack got me the start there.

After I come back from that, Jack and Marty's might have had a 12 minutes off of the,

then he said, I'm going to go back. He said, would you like to come along? I said, put on

like to come along. Cool, sir. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, that's how I started. I was there for

three years with him and Marty and Mick Sutter. Yeah. And that was a great, great, great learning curve.

What made Jack different? What made Jack special? Jack was Jack. No, there's no other person

like ever come across to say that's Jack Gibson. Yeah. It's no such thing. Okay. That's yeah.

A lot of times he wouldn't say anything. No. Other times he would just pull him aside and

go to him. Yeah. And that just, you know, at nine times out of 10, he would, he'd have a different

way of doing it. You know, we'd probably, you and I probably blow up. Yeah, wouldn't. He'd just

put it very softly. Yeah. He got his message across very, very quickly.

With Jack, a football brainer or just a man manager that was able to get the best out of his

athletes. I think it was probably both. Yeah. He, he could get, he could his players were at the

player. Yeah. That was never an issue. But if he had something that he wanted to do or change,

everyone was part of it. So you all knew what we were doing. Wow.

Minor premieres in 1988, the shark's first real achievement. I know we all look at who won the

premier ship, but surely winning a minor premier ship says, congratulations to players and

staff. We've been the most consistent and the best team over many months. That should be

celebrated a minor premier like you guys were in 88. We'd probably played well enough to probably

get the job done. I think overall, but my thoughts on the matter, if you remember correctly,

we lost Barry Russell. Right. He'll have back in a game in New Lawira. He scored a try and a couple

of the blanks have virtually fell on top of him as he scored and blew him apart.

Cheers. And we had, actually, we missed it. We lost him for the next two games. That was probably

the last comp game. Oh, okay. So we were the only move that for the next two most important

games. Yeah. I might be one more before that with him and Paul Bishop. It was a bit of a

certificate. Half he come on and there was no drivers. Paul was a good player, but he wasn't.

He didn't have the same credentials as well. Barry had other different players because Russell

had the speed. Yes. And it suited Miller and the company around to get that early break where I'd

place like it, but docking. Yep. Speetsy. All those plays could run. Yeah. We can go through the

law and we're a chance. That's how it worked. But unfortunately, then with the change of being

around the entire, say the entire place had to change because of one of one bloke. Wow. That made

a hell of a difference to what what we did. You mentioned it to what was the young Andrew Eddings

hasn't like. Genius. Yeah. Freak. Look, he's probably remembered as much for his modeling and

he's being an ambassador. I think one aspect of Andrew Eddings hasn't gets over. Look,

probably not by guys like you is how tough he was and how consistent he was. And he turned up

every week, every day and very rarely he would ever get into. He might get hurt. He did turn

around the next week. He'd play, go and play. Cheers. What was Gavin Miller like?

And outstanding. Yeah. So I knew Gavin from Garbon. Of course. So that's when he first

come down from Garbon, I was actually on the thing. I think I might have been at the

talks at the time, whatever it was. Now, Jack, he's got a bit of, now the couple of us can't

see, he played earlier on. They didn't know that nothing to do with me. He's nothing to do with me.

Then he went to Kolkaya, where I went to. Yep. Right. And I played over there and then

Jack would have been sitting. He said, what about Gavin Miller coming back and I said,

I'll probably grab him with both arms, Jack. So he just, he formed the major middle in England.

Okay. Oh yeah. He'd have very, very well over there. He'd had a good side run, but he was outstanding

in that group, but he'd come back and he just changed everything. Cheers.

He was, it's got the first time he was Jack, but then when I, when I took the job,

he probably thought I will, but he was outstanding for me. Wow. He put his body on the line,

time and time and time again to try and get that team over the line. Cheers. That's how he played.

The game is always evolving. How much had it changed between

say your time at the Steelers and then your time at the, the sharks?

Had you needed to teach yourself new tricks and new ways and new theories?

Well, the guy, you don't have to go with the guy. As the game changed, you had no choice.

You had to go with it. That's why you got stuck in the sand, you know.

And then once again, I think a lot of that come with the players you had.

Yeah. My guy had a good group of kids, younger players,

with a couple of hardheads like Newell and Kumbly and Dundane Sorenson.

Oh yeah. Absolutely. Genius people, you know, to play for.

The coach for. Yeah. Because everything I did was for the one reason.

That's at Ronaldo win. And then to this day, you go up and talk with them for hours.

Nothing changed. Wow. Just to do some more.

You were either crazy enough, silly enough or keen enough to have another go.

This time as an interim coach back at the Steelers in 95.

And it was around this time your young fellow Craig had started to develop as a footballer,

a young elite junior footballer, watching him create his own journey and his own memories.

What was that like as a father?

When I went back into that role, I was when I was when the Super League had started.

Yeah. And Ray Murray had gone, firstly, put his hand up as I was going to Super League.

Yep. So that virtually asked me to move Graeme on.

There was only four games to go. They said, well, can you do the job?

And for the last last bit, that's the same problem.

Yep. We did that in a way, we went.

But he was going, he's probably going along all right.

Nothing flash, but he gets you see down the line that he was going all right.

Could you separate being a coach and being a dad?

Were you analyzing his game and helping him or just sitting there with Melissa

watching and glowing with pride?

No, I probably kept my nose out of it. I just didn't think that was right.

He's got another coach, whether I agree or not, it's still material.

You just kind of do what you're told with the coach that you have got with you.

That was really pretty funny with that.

But then there was another one thing I did touch him out of it.

I worked hard with him for these defense.

A lot of that, that, I'll be honest, had come from Jack.

Jack, he's philosophy of what he wanted from all his players as defensive on the foot.

That's something special I haven't put to.

So a lot of things like that, you know, leaving the ground little,

the little people I don't do that this time.

No, they don't.

But in those days, we get that jacket to it, that's how you do it.

If you don't do it, and probably don't want you in the tomb.

Wow.

So I turn it, I'm definitely learning how to do that.

Yep, and that's probably helped him a lot through his career.

Because he was pretty good at what he did.

Very good at what he didn't, and you can't say it as a father without sounding boss,

but a terrific footballer and terrific young man as well, Craig.

But geez, there would still be guys waking up with bruise ribs

after what Craig and Adrian Morley and his mates did to them.

That defense in that premiership winning year.

And Craig was front and center.

I've never seen anything like it in my life.

It was strong, really.

Oh, very strong.

Brutal.

Similar player to you, Al?

Craig, or completely different?

Probably completely different, I suppose.

No, I probably don't know.

You had to worry about the 12 rounds that you're trying to do.

He probably didn't have to do that.

He could do his own job.

Yeah.

But it's saying that if you had the right people around you,

it wasn't that hard, you know.

If there wasn't working, you fixed it, didn't it?

That's right, yeah.

Are you alike as men?

Do you think or not?

I'll put my two cents in.

I can certainly see the similarities.

He's got a lot of dad and him.

Yeah, he probably doesn't know.

But wife said,

when I haven't got to talk too much.

Yeah.

That said, if someone asks a question, you'll answer it.

But I'm quite happy to sit around and listen, you know.

A third generation on the way with young aim,

and that's very exciting as a grandparent.

Well, it is.

It's been good because I said,

every chance we get,

we'll go and watch him play.

And he's done very well the last couple of years.

He's worked hard, yeah.

But he's at the Bulldogs.

There's the concern.

The concern I work, that's his grandmother.

Yeah, that was his grandmother with Melissa's words.

It's been truly incredible journey

and an incredible story dating back to the 1940s.

And in the game of rugby league at the elite level since 1967-68,

I've thoroughly enjoyed sitting down for a chat.

I wish you well in the future.

Alan Fitzgibbon, you sir are a legend.

Thank you very much.

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