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Welcome, welcome to Fearless with Jason Whitlock.
I am Jason Whitlock, your host, happy Monday.
Let's get into it.
Michael Jordan and Tyler Reddick have won their third straight NASCAR race.
We're calling this race jam.
You guys, of course, remember space jam.
This is NASCAR.
In my view, fixing its popularity problem with Michael Jordan, race jam.
And the race obviously connotes the car.
But it also connotes that there's nothing that the mainstream media loves more
than a racial story.
And Michael Jordan and Tyler Reddick are making a lot of history in a sport
that has a lot of so-called racial baggage.
But I'm going to broaden this story even more.
This is bigger than just Michael Jordan, Tyler Reddick
and winning the first three races of NASCAR, which has never been done in the 77-year history of NASCAR.
Hats off to those guys.
Some of you will think what I'm going to say here will denigrate this accomplishment.
But I'm really not trying to denigrate the accomplishment.
I'm trying to help you all understand the accomplishment and understand why it's transpiring.
I've told you all previously that one of my teammates from college, football teammates,
went into auto racing in like 1988, 1989.
Black dude went into auto racing.
One of my best friends from Ball State at the time.
He went into auto racing.
Again, I grew up in Indianapolis, Indiana.
I heard about Open Will Racing, the Indy 500, followed it all as a kid.
Followed NASCAR for a time as a kid.
It was a huge kill, Yarbrough fan.
And it followed racing for a long time.
It's part of my history.
But because I had this friend who was heavily involved in racing.
I've always talked about auto racing and auto sports going all the way back to my days
in Kansas City, when I was a newspaper columnist, when I was a sports radio host in Kansas City.
I paid a lot of attention to NASCAR.
And I tapped into my friend, his name is Chris Miles.
I tapped into his expertise into auto racing.
He was an Open Will guy.
That was his vision and plan for himself.
But he had a narrative on NASCAR like, hey man.
And you could never, is it just jealousy?
He's an Open Will guy.
He's an Indy car guy.
Does he have a disposition predisposed to not being a fan of NASCAR?
I don't know.
But he always told me that, and he would come on my radio show and talk about it,
that NASCAR is called by insiders, NASCAR.
And what he would infer is that NASCAR would decide and make a phone call on who was going to win a race.
That NASCAR was WWE.
I'm not someone that fully bought into the theory, but Chris had far more expertise on auto racing than I did.
And I passed in the fan.
I was in Daytona when Dale Earnhardt soon, a senior crashed and died.
I've covered many Indy 500s.
I covered, I think two or three Daytona 500s, not just the one where Dale Earnhardt, Jr.,
that Kansas City eventually got a speedway and I covered those races.
The reputation of NASCAR is that, you know, it can be manipulated.
And we talk about this in all sports.
And so NASCAR fell off a cliff.
Remember NASCAR was the dominant racing deal for many, many years.
And soon it surpassed even the Indy 500.
It was the most popular thing in the world, late 90s, early mid 2000s.
And then around 2006, 2007, NASCAR fell off a cliff in terms of popularity
and visibility and just relevance and traction.
Most people attributed it that fall off to the stock market crash in 2007,
and that the hundreds of thousands of fans that would go from city to city to city with NASCAR,
they lost their economic stability and quit being able to afford to travel to the NASCAR events.
And that's what most people believe, gutted NASCAR.
I'm going to posit a theory that, yes, the economic collapse played a role,
but the economic collapse was about gutting all of the working class.
And NASCAR built its southern red necks, working class people, you know, heart of America people.
Again, people that I ask because you're talking to someone or you're listening to someone
that pretty much hates the elite, hates or is very suspicious of wealthy people
would much rather hang out with a southern good ol' boy redneck than some elite rich liberal white person.
Give me a choice between a good ol' boy from dukes of hazard versus some ivy league liberal,
whether black or white, I'll take the good ol' boy dukes of hazard every time.
And yes, I know what comes along with all that.
Yes, they may have a Confederate flag or two.
I could not care less.
So, I want to broaden the point about what's going on here with Michael Jordan
and connected to something larger that's going on in the society.
And people have been talking about this, that the gutting of the working class,
the oppression of the working class, and the gutting of what is called white America.
That that culture has been put on a bullseye and has been targeted for destruction.
I don't consider it white America.
I'm telling you the terms that the mainstream media and social media and most people understand it like,
white Christian culture, I consider it just Christian culture.
I consider the whole color scheme and color coding of everything is a plot and a trap and a scheme
to blind you from what's really going on.
But there is a way of life that manufacturing worker, that working class, that's how I grew up.
It was all black people, but my father started out working for Chrysler, a manufacturing job.
My mother, 30-year career at Western Electric, AT&T Western Electric, a factory worker.
Everybody that I knew, all of my parents' friends, for the most part, were factory workers,
were working class people.
And yes, some of them may have been a little bit above factory workers, but they everybody,
factory workers were the culture that I grew up in.
Black.
And so I'm very loyal to that culture, working class.
I think there's a connection that good old boys, hard working, they have the same type of culture,
same type of values as working class black people that come from that manufacturing world.
That group of people have been targeted, in my view, for destruction.
And so most people like me, that rise from that working class, poor working class, mindset, culture,
when they elevate and rise, as some people say, I have, into the upper class,
into economic stratosphere that's well above working class, we're supposed to abandon the working class
and look down on them and applaud their destruction and blame them for their destruction.
No, they've been targeted by the global elite.
And everything that supported the working class has been destroyed in order to destroy the working class,
to make us eat bugs and sit at home and own nothing and complain about nothing and be happy,
not only anything, be happy.
As long as we have safety and as long as we have some sort of EBT card that we have access to,
as long as we have some universal basic income to rely on, we're all supposed to just shut up and be happy.
That's never going to be me.
And so I let me, before I get too far astray,
NASCAR and its lack of popularity can be tied to the attack on Christian white culture.
I want to, I think I'm going to start with Matt Walsh here.
There's a clip from Matt Walsh, this is a monologue he did, I believe in October of 2025.
And he's talking about the destruction of popular culture, the popular culture basically ended in 2007,
I believe is the date that he targeted.
And keep in mind when I said NASCAR lost its popularity in 2006, 2007, 2000, and has never recovered.
And that's why I think they're desperately playing the Michael Jordan race jam card.
But let's listen to Matt Walsh as he unpacks a part of it.
It's about a 24 minute video, I'm only going to play you two, two and a half minutes of this video.
I suggest you hunt it down and watch the complete thing because it's fascinating about what has happened to pop culture
and what are the forces that have destroyed pop culture. Let's play the clip.
Well, two other things premiered in the 0708 period that might help explain the problem.
The first, the one that conservatives will most likely point to is Barack Obama's presidency.
Obama was, of course, elected in 2018, took office in 2009.
And with the election of our first truly far left president, a radical black activist who used his race as a cudgel against the entire country,
we entered the era of what we would come to call wokeness.
All forms of risky, interesting, provocative artistic expression began to die off as a result, starting with comedy.
It is really striking, as many people have pointed out, to look at a list of the best comedies of this century
and notice how the genre simply disappears from the face of the earth by the end of Obama's first term.
Not a coincidence.
But that is not the whole story.
And it isn't even half of the story because something else happened in 2007 that would prove to be a much more
determinative factor.
The iPhone was, of course, released in the US on June 29th, 2007.
And again, it is startling to look at a list of the greatest films and TV shows of this century
and see how many of them were packed in and produced from the year 2000
right up until the release of the iPhone and how quickly everything drops off almost from that moment precisely,
or within a year or so of it.
The iPhone came out, social media proliferated alongside it.
2007, only about 23% of American adults had ever used social media.
Twitter had only just been launched, TikTok didn't exist, Instagram didn't exist.
Today, of course, basically everyone uses social media, basically every waking moment of the day.
Now, here's the point.
As our lives have become increasingly centered around these devices,
centered and condensed into these little glowing boxes,
we have lost something very important.
We no longer have a shared cultural experience,
what some have called the monoculture, or what you might just call mainstream culture.
The monoculture began its march to extinction in 2007.
Today, the march is over.
Process is complete.
There is no shared culture.
The monoculture gave way to the fragmented culture.
A culture broken and divided into 300 million little pieces.
A culture driven by algorithms.
Designed to feed us a non-stop diet of lowest common denominator slop all the time.
That's a part of a larger argument that he was making about like American popular culture,
movies, TV shows, comedy.
Everything peaked in his narrative around 2006, 2007.
Everything peaked.
And then he goes on to say at some point like it's Michael Jordan's death in 2009
was the exclamation point and like the end of peak American popular culture.
That there was nothing left in the aftermath of destruction.
And the degradation of American culture.
There was nothing left in the aftermath to replace a Michael Jackson type figure
who could bring everybody together, who could draw massive crowds.
And that there's Matt's not making this argument,
but you can go find other arguments that like the powers that be, the global elites,
like things that would bring large masses of people together,
the only way they could survive is if they were on message.
If they were promoting the kind of racial division, the kind of political division
that the NFL now promotes every Super Bowl and promote it with bad money
and promotes with every Super Bowl halftime and has allowed a Colin Kaepernick to exist
from that entire 2016 movement and all the sloganering and Marxist sloganering
that's now a part of the NFL.
It's the only way the NFL can exist if they don't get on message with the Marxist message
with the destruction and the integration of traditional American culture.
They will be destroyed, no different than NASCAR was.
And if you call it a conspiracy theory, call it whatever,
I want to play you another clip from a guy named Billy Corrigan
that points to the destruction of rock and roll music in the late 1990s
and him saying it was intentional, play the clip.
Rock has been purposely dialed down in the culture.
When would you say that again in the 2000s?
Late 90s.
I think the first, and again, this gets wizard behind the curtain, right?
Somebody's going to say, well, how do you know or who was the wizard behind the curtain?
All I know is I saw the gravity shift, okay?
If you were at MTV or around MTV 1997, 1998, suddenly they decided rock was out
when rock was still very, very high up in the thing.
And it was replaced by rap.
They immediately changed the way they, their standards and practices immediately shifted.
Right.
So now that things that weren't allowed were suddenly allowed, people were waving guns.
Okay.
So some people assert that the CIA was involved in all that, again, above my pay grade.
But I saw it happen, I did witness it happen.
Okay.
Right.
And of course, great music came out of it.
So it's not like it's not a bear in wasteland where something was pushed in that replaced something.
The qualitative things and great artists came in.
But there was this overt shift I saw it happen.
Right.
And then now, as you pointed out, rap seems to be waning in terms of its cultural influence.
Right.
Pop is completely dominant.
Rock is probably the most dominant ticket selling thing in the Western world.
And yet there's almost no representation of rock and culture.
Right.
So why do we have that schism?
I think they purposely dial down the ability of rock stars to have a voice in the culture.
Rock stars drawing massive crowds, stadium size crowds.
Rappers draw arenas, arena size crowds.
Rappers help degrade the culture.
And now that their job has been done, they have degraded the culture.
Rapp is peaking and is now starting to decline.
And like getting invited to do the Super Bowl halftime with Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg.
That was raps like, boop, you've reached the top.
We're done.
You useful idiots.
We've paid you millions of dollars to degrade the culture.
To rock and roll had been America's largest brand of music.
And they ran it out and they destroyed it and they deemphasized it.
And it's intentional.
And I'm sorry to put a color code on who they were targeting.
But they wanted to diminish the white man's voice in American culture.
And they replaced it with poor, uneducated, desperate, criminal black men as the voice of American music.
That's what they did.
And if you wonder why every rapper had to have some sort of criminal element to him, to survive.
Because it didn't used to be that way.
There were rappers called the college boys.
There was EPMD.
There was all kinds of, there was the Sugar Hill gang.
And then they made Rapp explicitly for people that wanted to promote criminality and postures if they were criminals.
And some of them were outright criminals.
And this was done.
And if I had played you other parts of Matt Walsh's video, which I'm really telling you should watch,
he goes on to talk about how like they eliminated the gatekeepers in music, in movies, in everywhere.
Because in order to be popular, you used to, hey, there was some sort of radio DJ that had to get behind your song.
There was some sort of radio station that was held to some sort of ethical standard.
They had to get behind your song.
And it could only be so profane.
Or they wouldn't play it.
And then they eliminated all those standards.
And you can say almost anything on radio now.
And everybody pumps out clean versions of very explicit rap music to degrade the culture.
They targeted a certain group of people that they knew desperate criminals.
Idiots.
I mean, these rappers that we went around and put on TV and act like they have something thoughtful to say,
most of them have an IQ in the 70s, maybe 60s.
And I know, what do you mean, Jay-Z's a genius.
No, he's not.
He's a clown that was installed.
His music was promoted.
And if you actually listen to what is being said,
it's about the most ignorant form of communication that's ever been invented.
If you listen to what is actually said,
and how satanic what is actually said,
you would not think Jay-Z is some sort of genius.
He's someone that could have deal with the devil.
So how does this all relate to Michael Jordan and Tyler Reddick and three straight victories?
Michael Jordan joined, I believe, NASCAR in 2020 or 2021.
Michael Jordan just wrapped up a lawsuit with NASCAR within the past six months.
And now here's Michael Jordan dominating NASCAR.
I just don't think these things are coincidence.
We've seen Michael Jordan in his area of expertise, basketball,
failed in basketball at everything except playing the game.
As an owner, as a general manager, failed.
But now he hops over to NASCAR and he's got this whole thing figured out.
And you could sit there and say, well, he was in a small,
he owned the small market Charlotte Hornet.
Are they smaller than OKC?
I don't think so.
Are they smaller than Indiana?
Perhaps the Indiana patient, but they made it to the NBA fund.
Never could figure it out in the NBA how to run thing.
Great player.
I'm not trying to diminish Michael Jordan.
But he is being used here.
He has cut a deal.
And anybody sitting around thinking it's surprising that Michael Jordan,
given NASCAR struggles, they can't draw the ratings that they're used to.
The ESPN walked away from him in 2014.
Sports not nearly as relevant as it used to be.
There was one path back that NASCAR had to play the race car.
They had to create race jam.
They tried to do it with Bubba Wallace.
Bubba Wallace is a weak inferior driver.
He's no good.
And so they couldn't do it with Bubba.
And so they paired Michael Jordan.
He still has Bubba.
But they paired him with Tyler Redick who can actually draw.
And now NASCAR is counting on the lead.
Because when you sit here and think about like who are the transcendent pop cultural stars
that give you a bit of nostalgia and connect all the different generations
and isn't some divisive figure that black people have one narrative on,
white people have a different narrative on.
Who is that guy?
When Michael Jackson dies in 2009.
There's only one guy left from that era that connects us all together
who can be some transcendent superstar who's not lost a bit of relevancy.
The guy stepped away from basketball 25 years ago.
Hasn't lost a bit of relevancy.
And it's Michael Jordan.
And they've injected him in the NASCAR.
And they've injected that storyline in the NASCAR.
And I think it's going to produce results.
I think next week you're going to see an uptick in people.
I think they're going out to San Diego.
There's going some, no, Phoenix.
They're going out to Phoenix.
And people are going to see if Jordan can go for it for four.
And there's probably a damn good chance that Tyler, he's got the best car.
I think most people, I was talking to people Friday before the race.
Like, hey, I think Tyler Redick's going to win this.
He's got the best car.
There's no ensure enough he won.
And some of you NASCAR fans are probably upset with me.
How dare you say this thing is rigged up.
Why wouldn't they rig it up?
Why wouldn't they?
There's millions upon billions of dollars at stake.
These streaming services are dropping checks on sporting events
that transform those leagues.
If you think NASCAR doesn't want a piece of that, doesn't want a piece of the future.
If you think they're, they would be stupid not to use a Michael Jordan.
He's the only thing that survived.
Tiger Woods didn't survive.
People like Tiger Woods, but he's a bit polarizing because of it.
You know, the drinking, the carousing, Thanksgiving 2009.
Can't do it with Tiger.
Brady's not there yet.
Brady's still a little bit polarizing because of his connection to the Patriots
and Bill Belichick.
Again, Michael Jackson's dead.
Who else can draw a large audience and make black people, white people,
and everybody feel good about them?
It's Michael Jordan.
And that's why we have Race Jam.
And that's why NASCAR has a chance to survive because of the Michael Jordan
Tyler Reddick storyline.
If Bubba Wallace knew how to turn left better, trust me.
They would have loved it, have it been Bubba Wallace.
But the DEI driver didn't work.
And so they had to go out and get a real driver and Tyler Reddick.
And he and Jordan are going to try to drive NASCAR back into relevance.
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Steve Kim, I'm going to start with you.
How come you guys didn't jump in and say, hey, Whitlock, shut up.
You know, it's 10-30.
What are we doing?
How come you didn't yell at me?
Okay.
Why has that ever worked?
It has.
Right.
So what do they say about what is the definition of insanity?
I mean, basically, we're like the third-based coach that's giving you the stuff site.
You round third, you go for home.
It doesn't matter if the cut-off guy has the ball already by the pitcher's mound or whatever.
It doesn't matter.
But it was good though.
I enjoyed it.
That was a good one.
You have to kept it relatively short, to be honest.
I really did.
We started three minutes late, so I got to give myself that break.
Bring Dre and scape in.
But Steve, I want you to follow up.
Are you starting to believe me now?
You guys gave me a lot of pushback when I told you this Jordan thing is going to work with NASCAR.
Are you starting to believe me now, Steve, that this thing is going to work?
No.
No.
Look, it's a notable story.
People put it on my timeline.
They talk about the other three P, the Jordan Mystique, the Jordan aura.
It's another thing that Jordan fans can hold over the LeBron cult.
I respect that.
I actually like it.
But Jason, there's never been a sporting event that I've ever watched for the owner.
Never.
Not even the Yankees with Steinbrenner.
It didn't.
Maybe the reactions with Steinbrenner.
That was something interesting.
But in large part, the game's going to get this.
About the actual participants.
I stick to that.
Well, when it comes to race car driving, the participants sit in a very stationary position
behind the wheel of a car.
You can barely see them.
I'm not sure of Tyler Reddix doing much more than Jordan.
All right.
So first of all, if you've ever seen an Asian driver, the driver matters.
It matters.
If you go back, all the way back, the first NASCAR driver that I knew of,
that was a national figure, was Richard Petty.
If I'm not mistaken, he drove the STP 43, right?
Yes, sir.
Well, part of that is because Richard Petty had this magnetic, every man personality
to a certain group of people in America.
Seems like a garious, friendly guy.
It's like a guy you could shake hands with.
You know, spit some tobacco.
Everything's like, man, that's like my next door neighbor if I live down there.
Like he was relatable.
So it's not just about the car does most of the work.
Yeah, you're right.
But the man behind the wheel, it matters.
It still matters.
Scab, am I starting to win you over that the Jordan thing is going to actually work?
No, I'm still with Steve on this all the way.
I'm completely against you Jason on this one.
I honestly couldn't care less when I got the rundown for today's episode and,
and Hadley asked me to be on.
And I, and I, that is when I learned that, that Reddit has won his third consecutive race.
It wasn't until I looked at that email because I don't know.
I don't care when you flashed up the little split screen there when during your,
your solo monologue here with, with Reddit with his,
the three fingers up with the split screen of Jordan when he won his,
his three tiles.
That was pretty much the first time I've even seen Tyler wreck.
I couldn't pick that dude out of a two man lineup going into this show today.
And no one loves Michael Jordan more than I do,
but I am still just so utterly and entirely disinterested in NASCAR.
Even if Michael Jordan is watching down from the box at some point,
like even if we get some kind of a cursory MJ cutaway cam, every like 50 laps or something like that,
I'm not tuning in to watch that I could care less Jason.
Let me ask you this follow up and, and I want you to answer seriously.
If it was Kobe Bryant holding the team, would you watch?
Well, Jason, if Kobe Bryant somehow came back from the dead and owned a race team,
I would probably tune into that obviously because Kobe is my favorite athlete of all time.
But in a parallel universe where Kobe was just still alive and owned a car,
some kind of a NASCAR team, no, I wouldn't watch nor would I care.
Drey, I'm desperately coming to you to bail me out here.
I don't have high hopes.
You always seem to disagree with me.
But Drey, are you starting to buy that the Michael Jordan NASCAR thing is going to work?
Well, first of all, Jason, can you define what work means?
Rays, that's a good question.
Thank you. Drey's smarter than both of you all.
He has good relevant questions.
Is he going to raise television ratings significantly?
I'm not going to say just a little bit significantly for NASCAR.
No, Michael Jordan's not going to do that because first of all, Michael Jordan's not driving the car
as skeptic, secondly, with race car, NASCAR, the business NASCAR,
it was regional, had regional credibility.
There was a monoculture, there was one feed into it,
there wasn't so fragmented as it is now.
And it was backed by corporate dollars.
But NASCAR doesn't have those three things working in its favor anymore anymore.
And part of what you said about the NASCAR,
that maybe Michael Jordan's getting this as somewhat of a makeup call,
so to speak for the lawsuit,
maybe that has something to do with it.
But is that going to make people who don't care about racing, care about racing?
Absolutely not.
Drey, this is what I don't get about any of you all.
I get Steve because he doesn't care about golf
and he didn't watch the Tiger Woods deal.
But if Tiger Woods showing up and hitting a golf ball,
a little tiny thing that you could barely see on camera,
and you had to wait to see where it fit.
If that could draw ratings because black guy chasing history,
you're telling me that Michael Jordan in the sport of auto racing,
everybody's been behind the wheel of a car,
everybody's probably played some video game,
pretending to be some race car driver.
This is, NASCAR's got an easy-yourself in golf
and I saw them do it with Tiger Woods
and you're telling Michael Jordan,
who's basically, it might as well be Michael Jackson.
Drey, you're telling me people aren't going to be interested in that?
No, because people can actually go and play golf.
You don't play race car driving.
You drive to target.
You drive to your office.
You drive to the gym.
You don't race car drive.
Golf is something you can go to the golf course.
You can get a set of clubs and you can play.
So you can look at Tiger and say,
okay, maybe I can hit the ball.
He hit it 300 yards.
Maybe I can hit it 150.
If you make it on the zone, hold on for it.
Don't lose your throttle.
Don't lose your point.
I'm sorry.
But if you make it on the zone and you make it get on the zone,
I'm going to get somebody that agrees with me.
Continue, Drey.
With golf, you can see it and you can try to go do it.
Michael Jordan, again, he's not driving.
And number two, race car driving is not accessible
the way that golf is accessible,
the way basketball, baseball, those are accessible.
We've played those.
We've seen it.
We walked past the places where people do it.
Where's the place that people do race cars driving in America?
You asked me.
I think there's a place in Homestead, south of Miami.
But I've never been there.
I wouldn't know how to get in.
I wouldn't know what do I need to do to get a car
because you can't just take your car in there.
So it's not as accessible as golf.
So there's not a good parallel except the fact there's two black guys.
There's one black guy that matters.
Go ahead, Steve.
One man.
To Dr. Dr. Drase Point, magnificently done.
There's a lot of top golfs.
There's no top autos.
Can't we just be honest?
I think a lot of people have gone to a driving range.
The closest I've come to ever of auto racing is playing pole position.
I prepared to qualify a lot.
I was actually pretty good at that game.
Believe it or not.
The other thing is, by the way, I want to clarify one thing.
Tiger was gambling Asian.
So let's keep that in mind.
But Tiger had no personality.
I use quotation marks, Steve.
I mean, he had the only time I was ever, ever,
entertained by Tiger.
And I thought he showed a real human side,
well, Thanksgiving weekend of 2009.
Other than that, I thought he was kind of a dull guy,
but he was great at golf, one of the greatest that ever was.
But again, to your point, and I'm going to reiterate this,
the participants matter.
I don't know of a lot of people that watch a basketball game
as much as I respect Dr. Jerry Bus.
I cared more about Magic Cream and James Worthy than I ever did about Doc Bus.
Go ahead.
He's just sliding here real quick, too.
And pick up.
Tiger Woods was just so utterly compelling and captivating.
I've probably been to a driving range twice.
I don't think I've ever actually driven balls at a range.
I play golf less than 10 times in my life.
I don't watch golf now, but I tuned in to watch Tiger Woods play.
And I can confirm that I am not a black man.
But I still love Tiger Woods and watching him play
because he was a dominant and an all-time great player.
So that was compelling and captivating, you know,
in and of its own right.
Plus, again, I have to just echo this, this main point.
He was actually participating.
He was the guy we were watching.
Look, if Michael Jordan were driving the cars,
I probably would tune in and watch that, but he's not.
Even hell, I made this point last time we talked about it.
Put a basketball court in the center, like,
put a basketball court in the middle of the track
and just have Jordan shoot around during the race.
I would probably tune in to watch that too,
but I could not care less to sit and watch him just the cutaways
to him looking down on a track every like half an hour or two.
Like, it's non-sensical.
I'm not rejecting your point that NASCAR is probably trying
to deploy this tactic.
I'm just saying it ain't gonna work.
Y'all are actually...
This is like NBC's idea of,
hey, let's do one canned interview with Michael Jordan
and dole it out over the course of an NBA season.
That was stupid and it didn't work.
This is different.
But y'all are basically acting like,
this is no different than what NBC did with its NBA coverage.
And I just, I can't...
I woke up this morning and I was shocked.
ESPN, which their contract with NASCAR ran out in 2014.
But on the ESPN.com's lead story
was about some USC college basketball player
that basically quit during the game yesterday.
And got a little banged up and quit
and wouldn't set in the stands.
He's their leading score on USC.
USC's like 18 and 10.
They're nowhere.
This is their lead story on ESPN.
I go, where's Michael Jordan?
Where's Tyler Reddick?
And I'm all set to just screaming yell at ESPN
and say, for...
Why is ESPN not playing the race card?
Everything is black history.
If, you know,
one of their black hosts farts on air
and it smells halfway decent.
They call it history.
But on...
Michael Jordan, nothing?
And y'all are like confirming that ESPN is right
for ignoring this.
I...
This bit of sports history,
there needs to be black ownership in the NFL.
I can't believe they haven't played that card.
This is why they need black ownership in the NFL.
It goes all the way back to that old famous phrase
Republicans buy shoes too.
Maybe there is a blowback to Michael not being, quote, unquote,
authentically black as certain people want.
Maybe it doesn't meet that standard.
In fact, me and you yesterday,
we were tagged in a tweet.
I don't know if you saw it
about how Michael Jordan is used by white supremacists
as a divide.
And I looked at this guy's profile
and I said, hey, tether, mind your business.
I mean, give me a break.
So, like, Jordan's interesting in a sense that
his shoes are iconic.
And I just agree with you.
Those basketball shoes are another venture in the sport.
He's done very well.
Okay?
As Charleston White says,
they sold a lot of them tennis shoes.
Number two, but this has been a topic of discussion.
Not a main one, but he's not a big hip-hop man.
He's not.
People have held out against him for some reason.
Like, rappers have tried to come up to him.
He's like, I don't give them about him.
It's circle of friends.
It's very diverse.
And the other thing is, going back to when the whole
Jesse Helms, right?
And he said, hey, mom, I don't want to get involved.
I'm not giving, just because the guy's black,
I'm not giving an endorsement.
That was a big thing.
I think there's a lot of people that love Jordan.
But there's also a segment of society
that holds it against Jordan that he's not pro-black enough.
I'm just a guy that literally builds hospitals,
built more than one.
That is real activism.
It's just not complaining like Jalen Brown,
yet it doesn't get the coverage.
You know why?
Because of the identity.
Politics that he did not want to play.
Great.
Let's play a role in it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that does play a role in it.
But at the same time, Michael Jordan is not the attraction
for NASCAR anyway.
And you were talking about the ownership in NFL and NBA.
The argument behind that is because
a bunch of the players are black.
Are a bunch of the players in NASCAR black?
No.
We had Bubba Wallace.
Is Lewis Hamilton a person of color?
I don't even know what he is.
I think he is.
Isn't Lewis Hamilton?
No, I know he's forming a one.
But he's just talking about Lewis Hamilton
is some sort of black or fits these person of color in the criteria.
He's tan at least.
Yeah.
And then you had Bubba Wallace.
Well, all of the things that I see are white guys.
So Michael Jordan being an owner in NASCAR is not a big thing
because black people don't care about NASCAR.
We care black people about having some ownership
in the things that our people dominate as participants.
NASCAR is not one of those things.
Michael Jordan also is so far removed from his actual dominance.
So that's why this is not going to be a big deal.
And the question I have back to you, Jason,
is why do you think this is going to work?
What about this is going to get anybody to care about it?
Who doesn't already care?
Because in this era that I unpacked at the top of the show
of trying to destroy everything that can be called
white Christian evangelical or traditional white culture
is important to a certain segment of people.
And if they can make the argument that see even NASCAR
is better once you have black ownership
and once we can sell the racial narrative,
the racial narrative has been the magic pill for everything.
If you could connect it to racial history,
there's popularity in it.
That's what they've rigged people up for a racial debate
and a racial discussion and racial division.
It's worked, put a little racism or the accusation of racism,
sprinkle that on anything and it's like baking.
This is what the culture and the globalists have been doing.
That's why I think it'll work.
I think it's possible only if,
I think even though black people may sometimes fall into that
and also is pushing them into it,
black people are also not stupid.
We will call for them and I say,
we, I mean, black people as a whole,
call for that in areas in which there's some aptitude.
We don't have the people to go in and dominate NASCAR.
We can dominate the NBA.
We can dominate the NFL.
We can dominate music.
We can't dominate NASCAR.
We don't have the talent.
We don't have the aptitude.
And we also don't have the attention.
We don't care.
So that's the reason why I don't think black people
are going to buy into this.
And as the leader of it,
Michael Jordan is not part of quote unquote the culture.
And secondly, we don't have the talent.
Who's going to go and actually jump in and actually be good
to make this make sense?
There's no answer to that question.
You all have beaten me up enough that I'm going to move on
from this topic.
And this may be the last appearance for all three of you.
I got to get some people in here who actually agree with me
I think it's really what the problem is.
I want to play you guys this clip of moving on.
Luca Donkitch and JJ Reddick,
I believe this is from last night.
Looks clear as day to me that these guys do not like each other.
Is this just a VO?
It's not a sock?
Yeah.
Oh, look at this interaction between Luca and JJ Reddick.
I mean, he's trying to talk.
As this plays and they go back and forth
and Luca tries to ignore him.
JJ Reddick's time with the Los Angeles Lakers
is going to last as long as Lebron is there.
When Lebron leaves, so does JJ Reddick.
And JJ Reddick might leave before Lebron.
That they may fire JJ as soon as the season's over
and then they'll have to figure out what to do
with Lebron James afterwards.
SCAP, what do you make of that exchange?
Honestly, that specific exchange,
I think it's much to do about nothing quite frankly.
It honestly, that wasn't even from last night's game.
It was from two games ago against the Golden State Warriors.
They played the Kings last night.
I don't know why.
This is erupting on social media now.
I'm seeing it over, basically being posted over the last seven hours
but that was not from last night's game.
Look, after last night's game, another game,
the Lakers have been terrible as of late
to actually blew the Warriors out
and they blew the Kings out last night.
And after the game, Reddick was effusive
with his praise about Luca Donjich.
And when he was asked a question specifically about Luca,
he'd drawn Don for like 90 seconds
and he had this whimsical smile on his face,
like he was talking about his own shyness.
He's still seeing his rear end.
It sounds like that.
Pretty much.
But look, these guys have this season at least.
They typically are good on the sidelines.
They do this thing, JJ and Luca,
where they shoot off against each other
and practiced oftentimes from half court.
They're playing around with each other.
They look genuinely like they enjoy each other.
I think this overall is more of a commentary
about Luca Donjich's joylessness
to play basketball in LA in general.
Like basically, since the trade from Dallas,
like the guy looked like his puppy got killed or something
in the introductory press conference
when he was holding up his Lakers jersey
immediately following the trade from Dallas.
He was moping around town for the next month after that.
He just generally, by and large,
doesn't have like the love and the passion and excitement
to play basketball on a night in and night out basis.
There are flashes and glimpses of it
in the last roughly year now in LA.
But it's not as profound or pronounced, I should say,
like just his excitement and passion and enthusiasm to play
as it was when we saw him in Dallas.
So I think it's just mainly just a commentary on
how he feels right now in that town.
And also, the team is fractured around.
I mean, Jason, look at what's happened.
Like LeBron James, obviously, just drives like a rift
through the team.
Look at the Genie bus, the governor of the team,
the story that broke the Baxter Holmes ESPN piece
about just how dreadful ownership was as well.
Like that is just a clown car of an organization right now.
And I think it's just bleeding into Luca Donchich's play
on the floor.
Steve, Scab says nothing to see here.
You agree?
Um, partially.
I think some of this stuff can be overblown.
However, you know, here's the issue.
And last week I stuck up for JJ Reddick.
And, you know, I've kind of read thoughts.
Here's the issue.
If JJ is going to coach anybody hard out of the two stars,
it can never be LeBron.
Campy.
If he's ever going to act that way towards a player
out of his two best players or best known,
he can never do it with the guy from Akron.
So who's always going to get the brunt of the hard coaching
if there is such a thing in the NBA?
It's going to have to be that other guy.
And I think that is the issue.
Um, I'll take Scab's word for it.
It's not a big deal.
You move on.
You know, but I'm going to reiterate something.
I say over and over again.
The Lakers cannot turn the page
until they get the carpet bagger from Akron, Ohio, out of here.
Jay is the only one that's actually played professional basketball.
Something or nothing here.
Generally nothing because this kind of stuff often happens
away from cameras and locker rooms and team buses
and in practices.
Not always in a game where everybody can see it.
Even though we did see this, one thing I would say to Steve's credit
is that when the star player is batting heads,
bashing heads with the coach.
And this week, these days, JJ Reddick understands
where his bread gets butter.
And if Luca doesn't want JJ Reddick,
we'll be going.
So that 90 second well-wishing
that JJ did about Luca after the last game that Scab
referred to, kind of necessary with the way it appears
that Luca's energy is his way of being is.
So JJ Reddick understands he's going to keep his job
with the Lakers.
He has to please that guy, not LeBron,
even though LeBron is his guy.
And that does create a little bit of a weird energy
on that team.
I would guess now that we're talking about him thinking about it.
But overall, not a big deal.
This kind of stuff happens all the time.
Most of it, we never see.
I want to stay with LeBron James
or the Lakers to some degree.
I want to play you this clip.
LeBron talking about his daughter, Zuri,
shooting a little hoops,
coming attending the game with him, I believe,
maybe against Golden State.
And LeBron makes it clear that his wife, Savannah,
wants no part of Zuri playing basketball.
Let's play the clip.
First of all, the first roller trip in my career,
that she's been on the side of, like,
also leading to something like that.
I miss a lot of moments, you know,
spending time with my kids because of my career.
And, you know, anytime I get over the course of my career,
and time I got moments with them, either individually,
two of them, three of them all together,
whatever the case may be, it's always special for me.
So, my daughter wants to come on the road
and be with me, and spend a lot of time yesterday.
We went to Alcatraz.
We went to Alcatraz, we've seen Alcatraz
and saw her going in a bridge,
and went to dinner last night.
It's been a lot of time, that's pretty cool.
We even know her as a volleyball player.
That's how some animals up there.
She's a volleyball player.
Don't get my wife mad.
My wife is down to the basketball,
she doesn't like that.
She's dealt with it.
She's a volleyball player,
but she's been around the game for a while.
So, she do got to the hand,
and she got to go form, too.
But my wife ain't playing that.
Not another one.
She says, that's it.
That's it.
Good win.
Good win.
Good luck, Charm, right here.
1-0.
Drey, I'm going to throw this one at you.
You're married, you got a kid.
I think Savannah James,
I think LeBron, very cleverly,
is protecting his wife
and protecting them from the true,
is LeBron James and Savannah James
want no part of sending their daughter
into that LGBTQIA plus silent pee
women's basketball world.
They don't want any parts of that.
They're not raising a lesbian
and they want her in volleyball.
I saw more of a tongue in cheek thing
coming from LeBron
that he just doesn't want to even put
that spotlight on his daughter
the way it was on his sons.
And maybe his daughter might be better
at volleyball than she is at basketball.
And another kid who he doesn't want
feeling the pressure
of having to quote unquote make it
in a highly competitive space
like basketball.
But now that you bring that up,
I hadn't thought of that.
That is an interesting angle.
And I wouldn't be mad at LeBron
and Savannah if that is indeed their reason.
That is the motivating force.
Trust me.
If LeBron could have another back,
LeBron would have loved to have
30 basketball players.
And if it wasn't for the fact
that female basketball players
tend to lean gay,
he would want a female basketball player
and he forced her into the NBA.
So, Scab,
what do you think of my theory here?
I mean, it kind of makes sense, Jason.
I'm not going to give you much pushback
on this one.
I'm like your Jordan premise.
I got to be honest though.
I've never, I've just seen this footage
for the first time.
I, Zuri could play.
She's got some handles there.
She was hitting some shots.
Guys, her bag looks bigger than Dad's at this point.
I'd like to see Zuri V LeBron
in a game of four.
Throw Brawny in there too.
Let's get Zuri, Brawny, and LeBron
in a game of force.
I'd watch that.
The NBA should put, that should be
an NBA All-Star festivity next year
on Friday night.
I want that.
Steve, am I right here?
Yeah, I think the phrase
that you're looking for
and I don't know why you didn't use it
is turned out.
Yeah.
That's what you're looking for.
Doesn't want her turned out.
There you go.
That's it.
Yeah.
If they don't want her going
through with Caitlin Clark
is going through and it would happen
and they don't want any parts off to it.
And so I want to make sure everybody
get this one.
I'm saluting LeBron James
and Savannah James
for doing the right thing here.
Keep your daughter out of that basketball
until they clean up that basketball mess.
Thank you guys.
Let me clean up my mess
and dismiss you three.
Say farewell to the audience.
I'll never see these three faces again.
I'm wild.
Say goodbye.
We'll have some people.
Luke, Peyton, Justin,
you guys ready for on-camera appearances?
Because I'm sure you guys all
are, uh-oh, when we got Dresa,
goodbye there.
But you guys are ready to come on the show,
make some visual appearances.
Uh, not necessarily.
Yeah, you wouldn't be any good.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And Peyton, you would be here.
I'm ready to take over the show.
Uh, I do know that.
That is true.
That is what Peyton actually thinks.
Is Justin, is your mic on, Justin?
No.
Yeah.
Oh.
Are you ready to come on the show?
Yeah, let's watch this.
No, visually.
Are you ready to come on the show?
Oh, visually?
Oh, no.
Absolutely.
Justin's trying to keep a low profile.
You don't, you don't, uh, should I say,
he, Justin got too many holes.
So.
Absolutely.
It's a joke.
Can I get me in trouble?
I don't know.
How about that?
All right.
Let's get to, let's keep it moving.
Let's get to Bucky Brooks.
Uh, Bucky Brooks,
and that one, uh,
was at the Combine all week.
Uh, and so we want to review,
uh, from the Combine Bucky,
welcome back to the show.
Uh, Jeremiah Love
seemed to wow the scouts
at the Combine and might have shown himself to be, uh,
maybe elevated himself in the NFL draft with his 40 speed
and the other things he did at the Combine, you say.
Look, man, he's the best prospect in the draft.
That's what he is.
If we're talking about,
regardless of position,
we're talking about best player in college football
and those things,
but Jeremiah Love is the best prospect in the draft.
Now, he plays a position that is not valued as such,
but he should be the number one overall pick
if we were just going to the park and saying,
hey, I want to take the best player.
I can do it.
And the reason why,
if you look at it, Jason,
two years of production from Jeremiah Love,
where he topped over a thousand yards,
consistently put the ball in the paint.
We've seen him play big stages,
little stages,
whoever he's played,
he's been a dominant player.
Then he goes to the Combine
and absolutely shows out.
And I know people,
I'll talk about A,
the Underwear Olympics doesn't matter.
437 is real.
And it's real when you take
what he is as a player
with what he is as an athlete
and the special things that he's shown.
He is worthy of being considered
the best player in the draft.
And I think it's time
that we talk to talk about him as such.
Give me the comp.
And so when you say best player in the draft,
and now you try to justify
that number one pick,
you say, well,
he'll be like this guy,
and he'll have the kind of impact
this guy had on the team.
He's, man,
he's phenomenal.
So like it's tough, right?
So people have put the comp out there
about Lydany and Tomlinson.
They'll put the comp out about
Jamir Guiz,
maybe Bijan Robinson.
I'm just looking at my notes right now
and what I wrote down first,
two words, total package.
That's what he is.
Down here runner,
speed, quickness, vision.
He has the best jump cut
I've seen since LT was playing.
He can play in a zone scheme.
He can play in a downhill scheme.
Whatever it is you want him to do as a runner,
he can do that.
But he also can catch the ball
out the backfield.
And today's running back must be
able to catch the ball out the backfield,
must be a factor in the passing game.
So when I say he's the total package,
the running backs that I think about
being total packages
are like a Lydany and Tomlinson.
One that could catch a hundred
out the backfield,
rush for a hundred,
do all those things.
Christian McAfee,
all those things.
He's just a special player.
And I think the combine
confirmed his special quality.
Christian McAfee is
a good comp or something
that provokes thought in me in terms
of because McAfee good receiving
threat in his prime.
Obviously a good runner.
But love seems like he would be
probably more of a home run hitter
than Christian McAfee
and more size than Christian McAfee.
Well, he's listed as six foot
like 214.
And when Christian McAfee
was coming out of Stanford,
Christian McAfee also
could take a distance from anywhere.
That is a lofty expectation
and comparison to put on
like CMC and Lydany and Tomlinson.
But look, I think this dude is worth it.
When we talk about top 10 running backs,
top five running backs,
guys that are worthy of coming off
in that you have to put
them in a special category.
Safe one was number two overall.
He certainly has played up
to that to that part.
When you think about Christian McAfee
who was a top 10 back,
he's played it.
But even B. John Robinson.
So of late when running backs
have going off within the top 10,
they've been worthy of that.
I'm just making the case that
Jeremiah Love to me
should be within the top five
based on what he put together
on his on-field resume
and what he showed us
all as an athlete at the conbot.
Well, if there's no trades
and the Raiders go first,
they got Ashton Junty.
So if there's no trades,
the highest he could go
is number two.
And it sounds like to me,
you think he's worthy
of going number two.
But doesn't the rule book say
that for running backs,
you can't draft them that high anymore?
I mean, the rule book says
a lot of things about
position of value.
But I know this.
You can't go wrong taking
great players.
And he is a great player
on the field.
He showed he's a great athlete
off the field,
all of those things.
A realistic value
because I don't think
that Jesse is going to do that
with Breeze Hall
and whatever situation they make.
But three, four,
Arizona Cardinals at three.
It would make sense
because at some point
you got to get this offense
ignited.
He can ignite that offense.
There's not a quarterback
worthy of being taken to number three.
Jeremiah Love could be in play.
Think about the Tennessee Titans.
What is the common denominator
for the Tennessee Titans
being a dominant team?
They've always had a dominant
running back.
First Eddie George,
Din Derrick Henry.
Think about Brian Dayball.
Brian Dayball had his
greatest success with the Giants
with Sequan Berkeley.
To me,
if you're the Tennessee Titans,
and we can talk about
oh, we need an edge player,
whatever.
To me, the best thing
that they can do for their defense
is to get a dominant
running back to help
Kim Ward and that offense
get up to snuff
and get them back
to playing like the Titans
have traditionally played.
If I'm right,
before the combine,
or maybe this is
even after the combine,
I think before the combine,
you had him going
number eight to the Saints.
Did you move that
up because of what happened
at the combine?
Well, I would move it up
because, look,
I think this,
when you look at all the
one, because we're talking
about the comment in general,
man, this collection of athletes,
like this is the biggest,
fastest collection of athletes
that we've seen come through
any and athletes.
Some people will talk about
A, the turf is fast,
they're getting all this
boot teak training.
Whatever it is,
you can't deny the numbers.
The numbers suggest this class
was phenomenal.
In Jeremiah Love,
what you're doing is,
when you're doing those
mock drafts,
like, that's guessing
what people think about them.
Yes, me, my opinion,
look, man,
this dude is the number one
guy in the class.
Ahead of him in those,
ahead of Arvail Rees,
David Bellino's,
guys, and all of them
are worthy of being
in those conversations.
However,
game change,
who's explosive,
who has a track record
of explosive plays
at Notre Dame?
I just don't,
I don't know how you can say
that he's not a top five pick.
The name you left off,
when you ratted off
best player in the draft,
you left off
sunny styles.
Another guy that had a
big combine,
and a lot of buzz coming
out of the combine,
six foot four,
six foot five,
240-pound linebacker
that ran a four,
four, six,
40.
I was,
I came into our conversation
to thinking that sunny styles
is the can't misplayer
in this draft.
You say what?
Oh, look, he's phenomenal.
And if I said the comparison
is a more explosive version
of Fred Warner,
every defense
of coordinated would,
would take that.
You look at his link.
Six five,
244-pound,
it's his arms.
He's almost
at 33-inch arms.
Four, four, six,
40, 43-inch vertical
and 11-two broad jump.
His ten-time
was 156,
so that explosiveness
that you see is real.
Now, the thing
where the broad jump
and the vertical jump
matters when you think
about playing zone defense
and how they want to really
change the passing lanes
and the throwing windows,
where with that size
and that length
and that athleticism,
he's going to make
it very difficult
for quarterbacks to find
windows over the middle
of the field.
Dean, you go back
and look at the tape
and you can make the argument.
He got better and better
over the course of the year.
He has some
patch-first ability
but he's a natural
linebacker with
sideline to sideline
playmaking ability.
He's a bit of a unicorn
at a time where
we got other unicorns
in this draft,
like his teammate,
Arville Reese.
Both of those guys
showed themselves well
but absolutely sunny styles.
Top 10 prospect.
Position that is not
valued as a traditional
position,
but when you think about
the Roku on Smiths,
who've come off the board
within the top 10,
there have been guys
that have played up to
even Devin White,
who's taken five
by the 10 Bay Buccaneers,
he earned a pro bowl
was a big part
of their Super Bowl run
when they won it.
Looks sunny styles
now has to be in that
conversation early
in the draft.
I, and you're saying
that inside Fred
Warner type position
is undervalued now
because to me,
that would seem like
exactly what I
would want in the middle
of my defense.
Yeah, like when you were
talking about the book
and what the rules
would say, like,
there are these rules
that have kind of
floated out there.
Some of that has been
put on by us on the
TV side saying,
oh, you can't take
a non-markie position,
a position that's not
valued, you know,
running backs and line
backers, you can get
those anywhere.
However, I come
from the camp up,
you cannot bypass
great players,
regardless of position.
And in sunny styles,
you have a player
who won't take it
showing you the ability
to be disruptive,
the ability to make
plays, then you couple
that with an
athletic profile
that is next level.
Yeah, you have to
have to have
discussions about him
being the top 10
prospect because he's
worthy of being the
top 10 prospect
regardless of the
position that he plays.
The reason I'm interested
in styles, but I want
to flip back to
Jeremiah Love.
I'm a candidacy
chiefs fan.
And, you know,
obviously sunny styles
could help the chiefs
defense, but more
important than that.
Someone like Jeremiah Love
could really help the
candid city chiefs.
Could you see that
chiefs putting together
some sort of package
to go get Jeremiah Love?
Would it be worth that
for Patrick Mahomes
and the chiefs offense?
I would say that that
has been the missing link
for the chiefs
to last three or four
years.
As great as this been,
they're missing the
dynamic running back
to alleviate some
of the pressure
on Patrick Mahomes.
Because they don't
have anyone in the back
field that makes you
make decisions.
Do you want to put
another guy in the box?
Do you want to put
someone outside?
How do we want to
handle this offense
with a dynamic
quarterback and an
explosive running back?
Jeremiah Love
would change the way
that you have to defend
them.
It also would take some
of the pressure on them
to find a number
more receiver on the
outside.
Because if you're so
worried about the
running back, then you get
one-on-one attention
on the outside.
That makes it easier
for Xavier Worthy and
Rashee Rice and some
of those other guys
to get open.
To me, it's a no-brainer
if they can get Jeremiah Love
if he's there for them
to take
make sense because
that is what this offense
needs, particularly
when we don't know
if Pat Mahomes
improvisational
skills are going to be
compromised
with a torn ACL.
Yeah.
And Peyton just
text me like, I get Love
would be gone.
But I'm talking about
trading up for him
and putting together
some packets so they get
up in the top five
and have a chance to get
him.
I want to play you this
clip from Mary K.
Cabin.
She covers the Cleveland
Browns.
There's been some
rumblings that
Ty Simpson may be
a candidate for the
Cleveland Browns.
Let's play Sade.
I think if they were
going to add another
quarterback, it probably
would be a veteran
in terms of someone
that they thought
could possibly start
for them in 2026.
If they bring in another
rookie, that player
would be more of a
developmental player
that would sit
behind Shadour
Dishon, whoever else.
Because right now,
I really don't see
an option for them
unless they
really believe that
Ty Simpson is their
quarterback of the
future.
I don't know if they
would seriously take him
at number six or if they
I know they're
considering it.
They're looking at him
at number six,
number 24,
number 39.
But they would have to
weigh that
against what they think
Shadour can do for them.
And he's already seven
starts in.
So I think that might
be a bit of a
long shot.
See, this is
this is why I would
have never
allowed Shadour into
my organization.
Because if I'm making
draft decisions based
off of Shadour
Sanders, I just think
it's a mistake.
He's a fifth-round
pick.
If they think Ty Simpson
is a player,
get him at 24 or
get him at 39.
Ty Simpson has made a
comment that he would
actually love to play
in Cleveland.
My dad and coach
Munkin go way back.
They talk often.
He texted him when he
got the job.
And they've texted
a little bit since.
So if I had the
opportunity to play
for the Browns,
it would be a dream come
true.
Man, the Browns,
a quarterback that actually
wants to go to
Cleveland.
I think he would make
a lot of sense for them
at 39 and maybe
even at 24.
Your thoughts.
Okay, 39.
Now you're talking
because that's the second
round pick.
And that would make sense
to take him in the second
round.
Here's the thing about
Ty Simpson.
It doesn't be a lot of
conversation.
We want to get ahead of the
conversation before we start
making TV shows that
over-inflate Ty Simpson
going down the road.
Ty Simpson,
measured in a shade
under 62.
He is 210 pounds
now but said he gained
15 pounds which made
doing a regular season.
He was 195.
He only has 15 starts
going into the national
football league.
You know who the
profiles like that
with a small
resume.
Anthony Richardson,
trade Lance,
Mitchell Trubisky.
So we're talking about
inexperienced player who
fell off down the
stretch.
He had an eight game
run that was phenomenal
Alabama.
But if you look up those
last five games, the
completion percentage
was sub 60.
And it was in great playing
in those big games when
they needed him the most.
That said, when you watch
him throw, quick rhythm
pass or touch
timing, anticipation, all
of that is great.
Footwork looks like
textbook stuff.
However, when you're
in the draft firm, when
you're the Cleveland
Browns, you have to way
tie Simpson versus
Deshaum Watson.
Ties Simpson versus
Shadour Sanders.
And if it's not
overwhelming in the favor
of Simpson, then you move
on and find another
position player that can
help the team and wait
for the quarterback that
is better than the two
that I've mentioned to
put in place as your
potential QB1 for the
future.
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last season, completed about 60% of his passes but the guy ran a 4-3-40 and it
made me say holy cow and you know he's bigger than I think he's 6-4-6-5. Is
someone now maybe in the second or third round gonna take tailing green and
think well you know maybe he can run around we can catch some Lamar Jackson type
lightning with tailing green. He's definitely on the radar I don't think
they're necessarily thinking about Lamar Jackson and my mind when I see all
those dimensions and traits and I know people gonna be like why would you say
that? To me that looks like a Y receiver profile given how he played at
Arkansas some of the struggles or whatever so I think that he may end up being
a slash. He's already said he's not a Y receiver he's already said all
those things but Jason when you look at him on tape there's nothing called
Lamar Jackson but like I mean I'm just I'm just this guy didn't he says that
because you know I mean look there was a black bill polling are you black
bill polling you just call this black man a Y receiver just I would love to
I would love to have Bill Poli in his career as a six-time executive the year but
here's what I'm gonna tell you the last Arkansas quarterback that profile like
that was Matt Jones and Matt Jones played Y receiver in the league tailing green
here's what I would I would say it's it's look we're gonna bring in a quarterback
we're gonna let you ever we're gonna let you have every opportunity to be a
quarterback in this league but in your spare time we also make them give you some
routes to run and do some things to give yourself an opportunity to make it in
the league ultimately tailing green will have to make a decision whether he's a
quarterback only or if he's open to the idea of being a slash but that kind of
athleticism that he displayed man you trying to find somewhere where you can
use that and that position might not necessarily be a quarterback it may be on
the flank scene if you can develop in as a wider or I think there's even teams
consider it can we put a little weight on him and make him a tight end but but
Bucky seriously no sarcasm here why don't you see him as a quarterback
I mean I think their inconsistencies in his game and I think like let's be honest
no one was talking about him as a high-level quarterback coming into the
comma now the athleticism and the freakish traits are there but look I just
think if you look at the profile you look at how he performed throughout his
time at Arkansas I don't know if you would necessarily get excited about him
being anything more than a developmental prospect but because he's so
athletic as a developmental prospect you want to give him every chance to be
able to be a contributor on your team and so it's not a knock to say that oh he
can't play quarterback but hey would you be open if the quarterback thing doesn't
go well early would you be open to playing another position look I think it I
think is your duty as an evaluated ahead look Jason I I entered the league as a
wide receiver had no idea that I would play defense of back but low in the
hole I end up playing long in the league because I play corner I think he
should give himself every opportunity to extend his career by being open to a
position change if it pops up let I want to play the clip of what Chase Daniel
former NFL backup quarterback for like 15 years what do you have to say about
tailing green I really don't thank you guys know what type of
combine performance it says from tailing green quarterback out of Arkansas 6-6
40 yard dash at 6-6 a 4-3-6 second all time among anybody else in the
combine's history of quarterback he vertical jumped almost 44 it's the most
to ever a broad jump of 11 feet two inches are you look I get it he might
play quarterback he might be receiver he might be tied in can you imagine what
this dude can do with an NFL spread it out RPO style offense dude this I'm
telling you right now this is gonna get him drafted a lot higher than a lot of
people think and if you don't believe in him man something's coming for you
because I'm telling you right now this performance is special sounds like
Chase Daniel things he could go any second or third round can you see that
there'll be early but in a quarterback class where you don't have a lot of like
try and true options maybe but I think it's very important that you have a
plan Jason when I'm going back through and I'm looking at his numbers right
now 59 passing touchdowns 35 interceptions 35 rushing touchdowns 6-6 224
pounds like we talked about he'll get every opportunity to do those things that
Chase is talking about RPO systems see all that let's see what he can do but when
you're that athletic and that explosive at their size while our receiver is
always going to be a fallback position and he shouldn't see it as a sign of
disrespect he should see it as a compliment to the athletic ability that he
brings to the lead I'm gonna make this prediction the Baltimore Ravens are
gonna draft him with the third round I think they'll draft him and they'll say
hey look you can play a little quarterback you can play special teams and you can
play wide receiver we can get you on the field a multiple different ways and if
Lamar ever goes down will never be able to and Lamar can't even run like Lamar
used to but let's say if Lamar goes down could you could we start another
quarterback and then use you in spots as the backup quarterback when we want to
go to the QB running game I think he would make a lot of sense in Baltimore
let me move on to Mackayd Lemon the wide receiver for USC that had a little
interview issue or people were talking about let's play the club Mackayd who is
one NFL player you matter your game after or look up to I play say I'm gonna
say Brown you know what type of great he plays with you know what type of a way he
can have a positive impact you know on the team without the ball in his hands
people have been talking about this and some people are like people should
stay away this guy's a weirdo you know someone old and
curmudgeonly like me I don't like the hairstyle I don't you know people that
spend that much time working on their hair spoke me but then other people are
just like the whole head bobbing and all that something or nothing here I mean
because what it does is when you ask around how he was in interviews and they
say like he didn't interview well I wasn't a great he didn't put on a great
projection in terms of like professionalism and those things and and so that
could be problematic now you got to get the note a kid a little more to kind of
understand who he is what he's about how he's gonna fit into the locker room in
those things you can't deny the talent like he's a really good player he was
one to the top three wide receivers coming into the combine and he can run
Ralph like a freak show but that would kind of just one of those things that
you have to work through it wasn't perfect but I would say like is it something
that can be coached through can he have some media training can he handle the
communication part better but yeah it wasn't wasn't a great showing from
Michael oh man I need not great not great to start school for for these guys
hey Bucky finally you already hinted at this but I think on average seven of the
eight positions were the fastest position groups in combine history seven of
the eight positions on average ran as fast in the history of the combine is
this better training better drugs better turf what look I think you have a
generation that has grown up watching the combine on TV and they aspire to be
the fastest man they've trained much sooner than our generation got a hold of
training and so this is a byproduct of all of that these guys attack the training
process early they do like competing in these type things because what the
combine is is no different than the camps that they've gone to for years the
opening rivals camp under armor all those things they put those guys in
those situations where you get to test and jump and see who's who and what's
what so I think all of those things and the industry the combine training
industry has had a significant impact on the readiness of these players when it
comes to the combine and that's why we're seeing these times that's why we're
seeing these explosive jumps to me it is a good thing because look it was really
entertaining to watch these guys show some impressive athleticism I said last
question but I got one more thing has none to do with football I want you to
settle or debate that I was having at the top of the show before you got here
I'm someone that believes Michael Jordan's three straight wins in NASCAR
racing is going to drive interest in NASCAR the rest of this season and Steve
Kim, Dre Baldwin, Jason Scappernick they all laughed at me and said hey nobody
tuning in to watch Michael Jordan own a car that's going around in circles I
think that people are going to tune in it's Michael Jordan it's history it's
going to be sold well Bucky are you fascinated at all by Michael Jordan's
NASCAR team? Absolutely as a tour of them absolutely fascinated by the 3p that
is people has done it but also growing up in the South growing up in North
Carolina NASCAR was huge you think about Michael Jordan I think about Brad
Dirty who wore 43 for Richard Petty who has also been a part of ownership
groups who is broadcasted NASCAR things but here's why Michael Jordan's
success will be a game changer you think about all these kids who have grown
up wanting to be like Michael Jordan right and you think about his influence on
basketball when they let's think about his influence as an owner and how you're
able to take the winning traits that you showed and basketball and now you can
convey that to an ownership group as part of a NASCAR deal and to hear Michael
Jordan talk about NASCAR and why he elected to go for this driver and the
others and building a team and all that I think it will respond some of these
hyper competitive athletes who have access and money to think about it and so
yes there's going to be more interest this year but I think it's a longer
conversation about how owner ownership is going to change with more former
athletes thinking that they could plunk down big money and use their influence
to drive success as chair opponents it's it's these guys Dre Baldwin and Steve
they kind of laughed at me when I was like man black people are gonna hop on
board with this man and and again I'm from Indianapolis grew up with the
Indy 500 yes you're from North Carolina familiar with racing and all that I
think there are black race car fans that will hop on board and I don't think
it's a small number of people no look it's always been a thing I remember
watching NASCAR races with my granddad I remember being a big fan of watching
look man Dale Earnhardt Richard Petty you think about how you're all those
racers like that was a part but it never been an entry way for us because we
never saw those that looked like us in prominent positions well now Michael
Jordan has an opportunity obviously to change that narrative with the
successful racing team the team is dominating early yeah I think there's a
lot of fascination about this and if they continue to have a lot of success only
more and more interest because you know what we're going to drive the
conversation on these shows about Michael Jordan in the success because there's
nothing more than we love than Michael Jordan thank you Bucky appreciate it
did I hear the Chamecas in the zoom can we bring Chameca on someone says
Chamecas in as I've heard this pull her up Chameke you look awesome thank you
you agree with me about you're interested in this NASCAR thing I've heard
Bucky Brooks now you please explain yeah absolutely and listening to his
explanation maybe it's because I am from North Carolina so I've heard some
people I absolutely a Tar Heel fan so maybe that's what it is because I've
heard of Richard Petty and Kyle Petty and so now that Michael Jordan is involved
and because he is who he is I'm ready to go to a race I want to see what's
going on I don't care that he's not driving the car but it's Michael Jordan and
I've talked to other people who are now talking more about NASCAR and racing
that never it never came up in the conversation before so I do think that he's
going to make a difference you failed to mention also that you are prone to be
Petty and so okay you know you're fascinating yeah all right we'll see
Chameca again here in a second we'll be on the Harmony Channel talking
about the NAACP image awards and maybe a little more Candace Owens but
that'll be on the Harmony Channel in about ten minutes before we get out of
here I want to hear from the peanut gallery who we've already heard from
once today but I want their review of the show Luke get us rolling what was the
highlight of today's show oh man you put me on a spot like that probably oh what
second you had no idea we were doing a second I just got a surprise I wouldn't
think about it now first off just got to give credit to I do want to give
credit again to Ren this looks incredible Ren great no one knows who Ren is
well why are you giving Ren credit Ren's the art department as they call him you
know like why are we giving Ren credit for my work okay I I can't you like
damn you know it was my idea you think Ren would have thought of that if I
hadn't said I basically told him how to do it all he did was follow my
directions okay so credit to Ren and Jason credit to Jason for the idea Jason and
Ren credit to Jason and Ren for executing all right so that's it that's all
yeah he likes the over the shoulder I'll do to Justin what was the best part of
today's show oh man I got a couple here so like the NASCAR thing it's it's
interesting but I just think but people would like it more if it was a little
bit more wacky the races you know driving a straight line it's not interesting let's
be real it's not interesting well I mean we could put some rims and you know that
to do it that it's nice hanging from the rear view mirror I've been
told yeah the Phoenix speedway has ordered in some Hinesi VSOP to serve this
weekend so that will be an attraction and another thing the Luca
erratic thing listen this is just this is just another sign that Lucas
coming back to Dallas so we can't wait whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
you think Lucas coming back to Dallas oh yeah Nico's out yeah
for a retirement tour in like 15 years probably not windy 28 is coming
back to Dallas when that extensions over with in 2028 he'll be right back he's
in 2028 when the extent Peyton you say no no I think he's just grasping
straws I mean I hope to see it though I don't I want to see anything good
happening Los Angeles so Dallas I mean well you got Cooper flag now so you got
your consolation prize and the not fixed lottery in 20 that's two years from
now how old is that I don't believe by the way how old is Lucas like 20 cents he
just turned 27 I believe yeah it wouldn't be washed up although you know we'll
see if you can still keep his weight down huh huh all right I didn't realize
that that was a theory the Luca coming back when they might be good by
then Cooper flag would be in his from Justin's point of view yeah Cooper flag
would be in his prime yeah who knows and we might get another rig draft this
year it might be a two-part deal this would be one this would be one to rig for
yeah another yeah all right Peyton what's the highlight of today's show well
what you mentioned something about clean versions of rap songs back in the
beginning of the show and I was just kind of laughing because I've you know
heard some of those and it's like 80 percent instrumentals like just like
drum beats and stuff like that there's not even any words because there's so
many expletives so I think it's like kind of funny the whole concept because
it's a clean wrap yeah clean wrap yeah well there is yeah there is no such
thing as a clean wrap song I tend to agree with you yeah and then like you
know like the Fox or you know Jordan and the NASCAR stuff and I think Fox has
kind of been the big winner of this because they've already gotten more Jordan
than NBC did NBC paid yeah he's talked more to Fox and said more interesting
things yeah to Fox forced and he has a big one yeah but I think NBC also has
some NASCAR races I think they're okay okay yeah I think they're part of the
they're gonna get there's money where money's worth eventually guys yeah and
then the last thing I'll say is just a massive defensive tie Simpson as an
Alabama fan I should I hold the duty of defending him he buck he mentioned
something about him losing 15 pounds during the season weighing 195 pounds he
had gastrous for the last two months of the season which affected his play and
made it kind of Andrew cracked his rib in the Indiana game so ties a great
guys basically the antithesis the antithesis of Shadour Sanders so it would
make for some great content if you went to the brands I would say wow all right
ties Simpson the antithesis of Shadour coaching family like it's a good
Christian family like I listen I didn't mention that when we talked about it
but yes if someone Todd Munkins friend son ended up on the team I could
hear Dion and that whole crew playing the race card all over getting their
favoring blah blah blah and it's it's out it's out very brownish to do that to
invite that kind of racial division and controversy into their
organization yeah this they may take tie Simpson in the top two it's like a
Mark Cuban thing like that's just clicks you just get the clicks you don't
really care about the performance just about if that happens though they need to
be a hard knocks yes I can see ties Simpson Shadour Sanders Todd Munkin ties
Simpson's dad all on hard knocks that would be amazing all right so thank you
guys for those of you wanting more from me you're going to get it in four short
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