Ep 1105 | Can Michael Jordan & Tyler Reddick Save NASCAR? | JJ Redick & LeBron James vs. Luka Doncic

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Welcome, welcome to Fearless with Jason Whitlock.

I am Jason Whitlock, your host, happy Monday.

Let's get into it.

Michael Jordan and Tyler Reddick have won their third straight NASCAR race.

We're calling this race jam.

You guys, of course, remember space jam.

This is NASCAR.

In my view, fixing its popularity problem with Michael Jordan, race jam.

And the race obviously connotes the car.

But it also connotes that there's nothing that the mainstream media loves more

than a racial story.

And Michael Jordan and Tyler Reddick are making a lot of history in a sport

that has a lot of so-called racial baggage.

But I'm going to broaden this story even more.

This is bigger than just Michael Jordan, Tyler Reddick

and winning the first three races of NASCAR, which has never been done in the 77-year history of NASCAR.

Hats off to those guys.

Some of you will think what I'm going to say here will denigrate this accomplishment.

But I'm really not trying to denigrate the accomplishment.

I'm trying to help you all understand the accomplishment and understand why it's transpiring.

I've told you all previously that one of my teammates from college, football teammates,

went into auto racing in like 1988, 1989.

Black dude went into auto racing.

One of my best friends from Ball State at the time.

He went into auto racing.

Again, I grew up in Indianapolis, Indiana.

I heard about Open Will Racing, the Indy 500, followed it all as a kid.

Followed NASCAR for a time as a kid.

It was a huge kill, Yarbrough fan.

And it followed racing for a long time.

It's part of my history.

But because I had this friend who was heavily involved in racing.

I've always talked about auto racing and auto sports going all the way back to my days

in Kansas City, when I was a newspaper columnist, when I was a sports radio host in Kansas City.

I paid a lot of attention to NASCAR.

And I tapped into my friend, his name is Chris Miles.

I tapped into his expertise into auto racing.

He was an Open Will guy.

That was his vision and plan for himself.

But he had a narrative on NASCAR like, hey man.

And you could never, is it just jealousy?

He's an Open Will guy.

He's an Indy car guy.

Does he have a disposition predisposed to not being a fan of NASCAR?

I don't know.

But he always told me that, and he would come on my radio show and talk about it,

that NASCAR is called by insiders, NASCAR.

And what he would infer is that NASCAR would decide and make a phone call on who was going to win a race.

That NASCAR was WWE.

I'm not someone that fully bought into the theory, but Chris had far more expertise on auto racing than I did.

And I passed in the fan.

I was in Daytona when Dale Earnhardt soon, a senior crashed and died.

I've covered many Indy 500s.

I covered, I think two or three Daytona 500s, not just the one where Dale Earnhardt, Jr.,

that Kansas City eventually got a speedway and I covered those races.

The reputation of NASCAR is that, you know, it can be manipulated.

And we talk about this in all sports.

And so NASCAR fell off a cliff.

Remember NASCAR was the dominant racing deal for many, many years.

And soon it surpassed even the Indy 500.

It was the most popular thing in the world, late 90s, early mid 2000s.

And then around 2006, 2007, NASCAR fell off a cliff in terms of popularity

and visibility and just relevance and traction.

Most people attributed it that fall off to the stock market crash in 2007,

and that the hundreds of thousands of fans that would go from city to city to city with NASCAR,

they lost their economic stability and quit being able to afford to travel to the NASCAR events.

And that's what most people believe, gutted NASCAR.

I'm going to posit a theory that, yes, the economic collapse played a role,

but the economic collapse was about gutting all of the working class.

And NASCAR built its southern red necks, working class people, you know, heart of America people.

Again, people that I ask because you're talking to someone or you're listening to someone

that pretty much hates the elite, hates or is very suspicious of wealthy people

would much rather hang out with a southern good ol' boy redneck than some elite rich liberal white person.

Give me a choice between a good ol' boy from dukes of hazard versus some ivy league liberal,

whether black or white, I'll take the good ol' boy dukes of hazard every time.

And yes, I know what comes along with all that.

Yes, they may have a Confederate flag or two.

I could not care less.

So, I want to broaden the point about what's going on here with Michael Jordan

and connected to something larger that's going on in the society.

And people have been talking about this, that the gutting of the working class,

the oppression of the working class, and the gutting of what is called white America.

That that culture has been put on a bullseye and has been targeted for destruction.

I don't consider it white America.

I'm telling you the terms that the mainstream media and social media and most people understand it like,

white Christian culture, I consider it just Christian culture.

I consider the whole color scheme and color coding of everything is a plot and a trap and a scheme

to blind you from what's really going on.

But there is a way of life that manufacturing worker, that working class, that's how I grew up.

It was all black people, but my father started out working for Chrysler, a manufacturing job.

My mother, 30-year career at Western Electric, AT&T Western Electric, a factory worker.

Everybody that I knew, all of my parents' friends, for the most part, were factory workers,

were working class people.

And yes, some of them may have been a little bit above factory workers, but they everybody,

factory workers were the culture that I grew up in.

Black.

And so I'm very loyal to that culture, working class.

I think there's a connection that good old boys, hard working, they have the same type of culture,

same type of values as working class black people that come from that manufacturing world.

That group of people have been targeted, in my view, for destruction.

And so most people like me, that rise from that working class, poor working class, mindset, culture,

when they elevate and rise, as some people say, I have, into the upper class,

into economic stratosphere that's well above working class, we're supposed to abandon the working class

and look down on them and applaud their destruction and blame them for their destruction.

No, they've been targeted by the global elite.

And everything that supported the working class has been destroyed in order to destroy the working class,

to make us eat bugs and sit at home and own nothing and complain about nothing and be happy,

not only anything, be happy.

As long as we have safety and as long as we have some sort of EBT card that we have access to,

as long as we have some universal basic income to rely on, we're all supposed to just shut up and be happy.

That's never going to be me.

And so I let me, before I get too far astray,

NASCAR and its lack of popularity can be tied to the attack on Christian white culture.

I want to, I think I'm going to start with Matt Walsh here.

There's a clip from Matt Walsh, this is a monologue he did, I believe in October of 2025.

And he's talking about the destruction of popular culture, the popular culture basically ended in 2007,

I believe is the date that he targeted.

And keep in mind when I said NASCAR lost its popularity in 2006, 2007, 2000, and has never recovered.

And that's why I think they're desperately playing the Michael Jordan race jam card.

But let's listen to Matt Walsh as he unpacks a part of it.

It's about a 24 minute video, I'm only going to play you two, two and a half minutes of this video.

I suggest you hunt it down and watch the complete thing because it's fascinating about what has happened to pop culture

and what are the forces that have destroyed pop culture. Let's play the clip.

Well, two other things premiered in the 0708 period that might help explain the problem.

The first, the one that conservatives will most likely point to is Barack Obama's presidency.

Obama was, of course, elected in 2018, took office in 2009.

And with the election of our first truly far left president, a radical black activist who used his race as a cudgel against the entire country,

we entered the era of what we would come to call wokeness.

All forms of risky, interesting, provocative artistic expression began to die off as a result, starting with comedy.

It is really striking, as many people have pointed out, to look at a list of the best comedies of this century

and notice how the genre simply disappears from the face of the earth by the end of Obama's first term.

Not a coincidence.

But that is not the whole story.

And it isn't even half of the story because something else happened in 2007 that would prove to be a much more

determinative factor.

The iPhone was, of course, released in the US on June 29th, 2007.

And again, it is startling to look at a list of the greatest films and TV shows of this century

and see how many of them were packed in and produced from the year 2000

right up until the release of the iPhone and how quickly everything drops off almost from that moment precisely,

or within a year or so of it.

The iPhone came out, social media proliferated alongside it.

2007, only about 23% of American adults had ever used social media.

Twitter had only just been launched, TikTok didn't exist, Instagram didn't exist.

Today, of course, basically everyone uses social media, basically every waking moment of the day.

Now, here's the point.

As our lives have become increasingly centered around these devices,

centered and condensed into these little glowing boxes,

we have lost something very important.

We no longer have a shared cultural experience,

what some have called the monoculture, or what you might just call mainstream culture.

The monoculture began its march to extinction in 2007.

Today, the march is over.

Process is complete.

There is no shared culture.

The monoculture gave way to the fragmented culture.

A culture broken and divided into 300 million little pieces.

A culture driven by algorithms.

Designed to feed us a non-stop diet of lowest common denominator slop all the time.

That's a part of a larger argument that he was making about like American popular culture,

movies, TV shows, comedy.

Everything peaked in his narrative around 2006, 2007.

Everything peaked.

And then he goes on to say at some point like it's Michael Jordan's death in 2009

was the exclamation point and like the end of peak American popular culture.

That there was nothing left in the aftermath of destruction.

And the degradation of American culture.

There was nothing left in the aftermath to replace a Michael Jackson type figure

who could bring everybody together, who could draw massive crowds.

And that there's Matt's not making this argument,

but you can go find other arguments that like the powers that be, the global elites,

like things that would bring large masses of people together,

the only way they could survive is if they were on message.

If they were promoting the kind of racial division, the kind of political division

that the NFL now promotes every Super Bowl and promote it with bad money

and promotes with every Super Bowl halftime and has allowed a Colin Kaepernick to exist

from that entire 2016 movement and all the sloganering and Marxist sloganering

that's now a part of the NFL.

It's the only way the NFL can exist if they don't get on message with the Marxist message

with the destruction and the integration of traditional American culture.

They will be destroyed, no different than NASCAR was.

And if you call it a conspiracy theory, call it whatever,

I want to play you another clip from a guy named Billy Corrigan

that points to the destruction of rock and roll music in the late 1990s

and him saying it was intentional, play the clip.

Rock has been purposely dialed down in the culture.

When would you say that again in the 2000s?

Late 90s.

I think the first, and again, this gets wizard behind the curtain, right?

Somebody's going to say, well, how do you know or who was the wizard behind the curtain?

All I know is I saw the gravity shift, okay?

If you were at MTV or around MTV 1997, 1998, suddenly they decided rock was out

when rock was still very, very high up in the thing.

And it was replaced by rap.

They immediately changed the way they, their standards and practices immediately shifted.

Right.

So now that things that weren't allowed were suddenly allowed, people were waving guns.

Okay.

So some people assert that the CIA was involved in all that, again, above my pay grade.

But I saw it happen, I did witness it happen.

Okay.

Right.

And of course, great music came out of it.

So it's not like it's not a bear in wasteland where something was pushed in that replaced something.

The qualitative things and great artists came in.

But there was this overt shift I saw it happen.

Right.

And then now, as you pointed out, rap seems to be waning in terms of its cultural influence.

Right.

Pop is completely dominant.

Rock is probably the most dominant ticket selling thing in the Western world.

And yet there's almost no representation of rock and culture.

Right.

So why do we have that schism?

I think they purposely dial down the ability of rock stars to have a voice in the culture.

Rock stars drawing massive crowds, stadium size crowds.

Rappers draw arenas, arena size crowds.

Rappers help degrade the culture.

And now that their job has been done, they have degraded the culture.

Rapp is peaking and is now starting to decline.

And like getting invited to do the Super Bowl halftime with Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg.

That was raps like, boop, you've reached the top.

We're done.

You useful idiots.

We've paid you millions of dollars to degrade the culture.

To rock and roll had been America's largest brand of music.

And they ran it out and they destroyed it and they deemphasized it.

And it's intentional.

And I'm sorry to put a color code on who they were targeting.

But they wanted to diminish the white man's voice in American culture.

And they replaced it with poor, uneducated, desperate, criminal black men as the voice of American music.

That's what they did.

And if you wonder why every rapper had to have some sort of criminal element to him, to survive.

Because it didn't used to be that way.

There were rappers called the college boys.

There was EPMD.

There was all kinds of, there was the Sugar Hill gang.

And then they made Rapp explicitly for people that wanted to promote criminality and postures if they were criminals.

And some of them were outright criminals.

And this was done.

And if I had played you other parts of Matt Walsh's video, which I'm really telling you should watch,

he goes on to talk about how like they eliminated the gatekeepers in music, in movies, in everywhere.

Because in order to be popular, you used to, hey, there was some sort of radio DJ that had to get behind your song.

There was some sort of radio station that was held to some sort of ethical standard.

They had to get behind your song.

And it could only be so profane.

Or they wouldn't play it.

And then they eliminated all those standards.

And you can say almost anything on radio now.

And everybody pumps out clean versions of very explicit rap music to degrade the culture.

They targeted a certain group of people that they knew desperate criminals.

Idiots.

I mean, these rappers that we went around and put on TV and act like they have something thoughtful to say,

most of them have an IQ in the 70s, maybe 60s.

And I know, what do you mean, Jay-Z's a genius.

No, he's not.

He's a clown that was installed.

His music was promoted.

And if you actually listen to what is being said,

it's about the most ignorant form of communication that's ever been invented.

If you listen to what is actually said,

and how satanic what is actually said,

you would not think Jay-Z is some sort of genius.

He's someone that could have deal with the devil.

So how does this all relate to Michael Jordan and Tyler Reddick and three straight victories?

Michael Jordan joined, I believe, NASCAR in 2020 or 2021.

Michael Jordan just wrapped up a lawsuit with NASCAR within the past six months.

And now here's Michael Jordan dominating NASCAR.

I just don't think these things are coincidence.

We've seen Michael Jordan in his area of expertise, basketball,

failed in basketball at everything except playing the game.

As an owner, as a general manager, failed.

But now he hops over to NASCAR and he's got this whole thing figured out.

And you could sit there and say, well, he was in a small,

he owned the small market Charlotte Hornet.

Are they smaller than OKC?

I don't think so.

Are they smaller than Indiana?

Perhaps the Indiana patient, but they made it to the NBA fund.

Never could figure it out in the NBA how to run thing.

Great player.

I'm not trying to diminish Michael Jordan.

But he is being used here.

He has cut a deal.

And anybody sitting around thinking it's surprising that Michael Jordan,

given NASCAR struggles, they can't draw the ratings that they're used to.

The ESPN walked away from him in 2014.

Sports not nearly as relevant as it used to be.

There was one path back that NASCAR had to play the race car.

They had to create race jam.

They tried to do it with Bubba Wallace.

Bubba Wallace is a weak inferior driver.

He's no good.

And so they couldn't do it with Bubba.

And so they paired Michael Jordan.

He still has Bubba.

But they paired him with Tyler Redick who can actually draw.

And now NASCAR is counting on the lead.

Because when you sit here and think about like who are the transcendent pop cultural stars

that give you a bit of nostalgia and connect all the different generations

and isn't some divisive figure that black people have one narrative on,

white people have a different narrative on.

Who is that guy?

When Michael Jackson dies in 2009.

There's only one guy left from that era that connects us all together

who can be some transcendent superstar who's not lost a bit of relevancy.

The guy stepped away from basketball 25 years ago.

Hasn't lost a bit of relevancy.

And it's Michael Jordan.

And they've injected him in the NASCAR.

And they've injected that storyline in the NASCAR.

And I think it's going to produce results.

I think next week you're going to see an uptick in people.

I think they're going out to San Diego.

There's going some, no, Phoenix.

They're going out to Phoenix.

And people are going to see if Jordan can go for it for four.

And there's probably a damn good chance that Tyler, he's got the best car.

I think most people, I was talking to people Friday before the race.

Like, hey, I think Tyler Redick's going to win this.

He's got the best car.

There's no ensure enough he won.

And some of you NASCAR fans are probably upset with me.

How dare you say this thing is rigged up.

Why wouldn't they rig it up?

Why wouldn't they?

There's millions upon billions of dollars at stake.

These streaming services are dropping checks on sporting events

that transform those leagues.

If you think NASCAR doesn't want a piece of that, doesn't want a piece of the future.

If you think they're, they would be stupid not to use a Michael Jordan.

He's the only thing that survived.

Tiger Woods didn't survive.

People like Tiger Woods, but he's a bit polarizing because of it.

You know, the drinking, the carousing, Thanksgiving 2009.

Can't do it with Tiger.

Brady's not there yet.

Brady's still a little bit polarizing because of his connection to the Patriots

and Bill Belichick.

Again, Michael Jackson's dead.

Who else can draw a large audience and make black people, white people,

and everybody feel good about them?

It's Michael Jordan.

And that's why we have Race Jam.

And that's why NASCAR has a chance to survive because of the Michael Jordan

Tyler Reddick storyline.

If Bubba Wallace knew how to turn left better, trust me.

They would have loved it, have it been Bubba Wallace.

But the DEI driver didn't work.

And so they had to go out and get a real driver and Tyler Reddick.

And he and Jordan are going to try to drive NASCAR back into relevance.

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Steve Kim, I'm going to start with you.

How come you guys didn't jump in and say, hey, Whitlock, shut up.

You know, it's 10-30.

What are we doing?

How come you didn't yell at me?

Okay.

Why has that ever worked?

It has.

Right.

So what do they say about what is the definition of insanity?

I mean, basically, we're like the third-based coach that's giving you the stuff site.

You round third, you go for home.

It doesn't matter if the cut-off guy has the ball already by the pitcher's mound or whatever.

It doesn't matter.

But it was good though.

I enjoyed it.

That was a good one.

You have to kept it relatively short, to be honest.

I really did.

We started three minutes late, so I got to give myself that break.

Bring Dre and scape in.

But Steve, I want you to follow up.

Are you starting to believe me now?

You guys gave me a lot of pushback when I told you this Jordan thing is going to work with NASCAR.

Are you starting to believe me now, Steve, that this thing is going to work?

No.

No.

Look, it's a notable story.

People put it on my timeline.

They talk about the other three P, the Jordan Mystique, the Jordan aura.

It's another thing that Jordan fans can hold over the LeBron cult.

I respect that.

I actually like it.

But Jason, there's never been a sporting event that I've ever watched for the owner.

Never.

Not even the Yankees with Steinbrenner.

It didn't.

Maybe the reactions with Steinbrenner.

That was something interesting.

But in large part, the game's going to get this.

About the actual participants.

I stick to that.

Well, when it comes to race car driving, the participants sit in a very stationary position

behind the wheel of a car.

You can barely see them.

I'm not sure of Tyler Reddix doing much more than Jordan.

All right.

So first of all, if you've ever seen an Asian driver, the driver matters.

It matters.

If you go back, all the way back, the first NASCAR driver that I knew of,

that was a national figure, was Richard Petty.

If I'm not mistaken, he drove the STP 43, right?

Yes, sir.

Well, part of that is because Richard Petty had this magnetic, every man personality

to a certain group of people in America.

Seems like a garious, friendly guy.

It's like a guy you could shake hands with.

You know, spit some tobacco.

Everything's like, man, that's like my next door neighbor if I live down there.

Like he was relatable.

So it's not just about the car does most of the work.

Yeah, you're right.

But the man behind the wheel, it matters.

It still matters.

Scab, am I starting to win you over that the Jordan thing is going to actually work?

No, I'm still with Steve on this all the way.

I'm completely against you Jason on this one.

I honestly couldn't care less when I got the rundown for today's episode and,

and Hadley asked me to be on.

And I, and I, that is when I learned that, that Reddit has won his third consecutive race.

It wasn't until I looked at that email because I don't know.

I don't care when you flashed up the little split screen there when during your,

your solo monologue here with, with Reddit with his,

the three fingers up with the split screen of Jordan when he won his,

his three tiles.

That was pretty much the first time I've even seen Tyler wreck.

I couldn't pick that dude out of a two man lineup going into this show today.

And no one loves Michael Jordan more than I do,

but I am still just so utterly and entirely disinterested in NASCAR.

Even if Michael Jordan is watching down from the box at some point,

like even if we get some kind of a cursory MJ cutaway cam, every like 50 laps or something like that,

I'm not tuning in to watch that I could care less Jason.

Let me ask you this follow up and, and I want you to answer seriously.

If it was Kobe Bryant holding the team, would you watch?

Well, Jason, if Kobe Bryant somehow came back from the dead and owned a race team,

I would probably tune into that obviously because Kobe is my favorite athlete of all time.

But in a parallel universe where Kobe was just still alive and owned a car,

some kind of a NASCAR team, no, I wouldn't watch nor would I care.

Drey, I'm desperately coming to you to bail me out here.

I don't have high hopes.

You always seem to disagree with me.

But Drey, are you starting to buy that the Michael Jordan NASCAR thing is going to work?

Well, first of all, Jason, can you define what work means?

Rays, that's a good question.

Thank you. Drey's smarter than both of you all.

He has good relevant questions.

Is he going to raise television ratings significantly?

I'm not going to say just a little bit significantly for NASCAR.

No, Michael Jordan's not going to do that because first of all, Michael Jordan's not driving the car

as skeptic, secondly, with race car, NASCAR, the business NASCAR,

it was regional, had regional credibility.

There was a monoculture, there was one feed into it,

there wasn't so fragmented as it is now.

And it was backed by corporate dollars.

But NASCAR doesn't have those three things working in its favor anymore anymore.

And part of what you said about the NASCAR,

that maybe Michael Jordan's getting this as somewhat of a makeup call,

so to speak for the lawsuit,

maybe that has something to do with it.

But is that going to make people who don't care about racing, care about racing?

Absolutely not.

Drey, this is what I don't get about any of you all.

I get Steve because he doesn't care about golf

and he didn't watch the Tiger Woods deal.

But if Tiger Woods showing up and hitting a golf ball,

a little tiny thing that you could barely see on camera,

and you had to wait to see where it fit.

If that could draw ratings because black guy chasing history,

you're telling me that Michael Jordan in the sport of auto racing,

everybody's been behind the wheel of a car,

everybody's probably played some video game,

pretending to be some race car driver.

This is, NASCAR's got an easy-yourself in golf

and I saw them do it with Tiger Woods

and you're telling Michael Jordan,

who's basically, it might as well be Michael Jackson.

Drey, you're telling me people aren't going to be interested in that?

No, because people can actually go and play golf.

You don't play race car driving.

You drive to target.

You drive to your office.

You drive to the gym.

You don't race car drive.

Golf is something you can go to the golf course.

You can get a set of clubs and you can play.

So you can look at Tiger and say,

okay, maybe I can hit the ball.

He hit it 300 yards.

Maybe I can hit it 150.

If you make it on the zone, hold on for it.

Don't lose your throttle.

Don't lose your point.

I'm sorry.

But if you make it on the zone and you make it get on the zone,

I'm going to get somebody that agrees with me.

Continue, Drey.

With golf, you can see it and you can try to go do it.

Michael Jordan, again, he's not driving.

And number two, race car driving is not accessible

the way that golf is accessible,

the way basketball, baseball, those are accessible.

We've played those.

We've seen it.

We walked past the places where people do it.

Where's the place that people do race cars driving in America?

You asked me.

I think there's a place in Homestead, south of Miami.

But I've never been there.

I wouldn't know how to get in.

I wouldn't know what do I need to do to get a car

because you can't just take your car in there.

So it's not as accessible as golf.

So there's not a good parallel except the fact there's two black guys.

There's one black guy that matters.

Go ahead, Steve.

One man.

To Dr. Dr. Drase Point, magnificently done.

There's a lot of top golfs.

There's no top autos.

Can't we just be honest?

I think a lot of people have gone to a driving range.

The closest I've come to ever of auto racing is playing pole position.

I prepared to qualify a lot.

I was actually pretty good at that game.

Believe it or not.

The other thing is, by the way, I want to clarify one thing.

Tiger was gambling Asian.

So let's keep that in mind.

But Tiger had no personality.

I use quotation marks, Steve.

I mean, he had the only time I was ever, ever,

entertained by Tiger.

And I thought he showed a real human side,

well, Thanksgiving weekend of 2009.

Other than that, I thought he was kind of a dull guy,

but he was great at golf, one of the greatest that ever was.

But again, to your point, and I'm going to reiterate this,

the participants matter.

I don't know of a lot of people that watch a basketball game

as much as I respect Dr. Jerry Bus.

I cared more about Magic Cream and James Worthy than I ever did about Doc Bus.

Go ahead.

He's just sliding here real quick, too.

And pick up.

Tiger Woods was just so utterly compelling and captivating.

I've probably been to a driving range twice.

I don't think I've ever actually driven balls at a range.

I play golf less than 10 times in my life.

I don't watch golf now, but I tuned in to watch Tiger Woods play.

And I can confirm that I am not a black man.

But I still love Tiger Woods and watching him play

because he was a dominant and an all-time great player.

So that was compelling and captivating, you know,

in and of its own right.

Plus, again, I have to just echo this, this main point.

He was actually participating.

He was the guy we were watching.

Look, if Michael Jordan were driving the cars,

I probably would tune in and watch that, but he's not.

Even hell, I made this point last time we talked about it.

Put a basketball court in the center, like,

put a basketball court in the middle of the track

and just have Jordan shoot around during the race.

I would probably tune in to watch that too,

but I could not care less to sit and watch him just the cutaways

to him looking down on a track every like half an hour or two.

Like, it's non-sensical.

I'm not rejecting your point that NASCAR is probably trying

to deploy this tactic.

I'm just saying it ain't gonna work.

Y'all are actually...

This is like NBC's idea of,

hey, let's do one canned interview with Michael Jordan

and dole it out over the course of an NBA season.

That was stupid and it didn't work.

This is different.

But y'all are basically acting like,

this is no different than what NBC did with its NBA coverage.

And I just, I can't...

I woke up this morning and I was shocked.

ESPN, which their contract with NASCAR ran out in 2014.

But on the ESPN.com's lead story

was about some USC college basketball player

that basically quit during the game yesterday.

And got a little banged up and quit

and wouldn't set in the stands.

He's their leading score on USC.

USC's like 18 and 10.

They're nowhere.

This is their lead story on ESPN.

I go, where's Michael Jordan?

Where's Tyler Reddick?

And I'm all set to just screaming yell at ESPN

and say, for...

Why is ESPN not playing the race card?

Everything is black history.

If, you know,

one of their black hosts farts on air

and it smells halfway decent.

They call it history.

But on...

Michael Jordan, nothing?

And y'all are like confirming that ESPN is right

for ignoring this.

I...

This bit of sports history,

there needs to be black ownership in the NFL.

I can't believe they haven't played that card.

This is why they need black ownership in the NFL.

It goes all the way back to that old famous phrase

Republicans buy shoes too.

Maybe there is a blowback to Michael not being, quote, unquote,

authentically black as certain people want.

Maybe it doesn't meet that standard.

In fact, me and you yesterday,

we were tagged in a tweet.

I don't know if you saw it

about how Michael Jordan is used by white supremacists

as a divide.

And I looked at this guy's profile

and I said, hey, tether, mind your business.

I mean, give me a break.

So, like, Jordan's interesting in a sense that

his shoes are iconic.

And I just agree with you.

Those basketball shoes are another venture in the sport.

He's done very well.

Okay?

As Charleston White says,

they sold a lot of them tennis shoes.

Number two, but this has been a topic of discussion.

Not a main one, but he's not a big hip-hop man.

He's not.

People have held out against him for some reason.

Like, rappers have tried to come up to him.

He's like, I don't give them about him.

It's circle of friends.

It's very diverse.

And the other thing is, going back to when the whole

Jesse Helms, right?

And he said, hey, mom, I don't want to get involved.

I'm not giving, just because the guy's black,

I'm not giving an endorsement.

That was a big thing.

I think there's a lot of people that love Jordan.

But there's also a segment of society

that holds it against Jordan that he's not pro-black enough.

I'm just a guy that literally builds hospitals,

built more than one.

That is real activism.

It's just not complaining like Jalen Brown,

yet it doesn't get the coverage.

You know why?

Because of the identity.

Politics that he did not want to play.

Great.

Let's play a role in it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that does play a role in it.

But at the same time, Michael Jordan is not the attraction

for NASCAR anyway.

And you were talking about the ownership in NFL and NBA.

The argument behind that is because

a bunch of the players are black.

Are a bunch of the players in NASCAR black?

No.

We had Bubba Wallace.

Is Lewis Hamilton a person of color?

I don't even know what he is.

I think he is.

Isn't Lewis Hamilton?

No, I know he's forming a one.

But he's just talking about Lewis Hamilton

is some sort of black or fits these person of color in the criteria.

He's tan at least.

Yeah.

And then you had Bubba Wallace.

Well, all of the things that I see are white guys.

So Michael Jordan being an owner in NASCAR is not a big thing

because black people don't care about NASCAR.

We care black people about having some ownership

in the things that our people dominate as participants.

NASCAR is not one of those things.

Michael Jordan also is so far removed from his actual dominance.

So that's why this is not going to be a big deal.

And the question I have back to you, Jason,

is why do you think this is going to work?

What about this is going to get anybody to care about it?

Who doesn't already care?

Because in this era that I unpacked at the top of the show

of trying to destroy everything that can be called

white Christian evangelical or traditional white culture

is important to a certain segment of people.

And if they can make the argument that see even NASCAR

is better once you have black ownership

and once we can sell the racial narrative,

the racial narrative has been the magic pill for everything.

If you could connect it to racial history,

there's popularity in it.

That's what they've rigged people up for a racial debate

and a racial discussion and racial division.

It's worked, put a little racism or the accusation of racism,

sprinkle that on anything and it's like baking.

This is what the culture and the globalists have been doing.

That's why I think it'll work.

I think it's possible only if,

I think even though black people may sometimes fall into that

and also is pushing them into it,

black people are also not stupid.

We will call for them and I say,

we, I mean, black people as a whole,

call for that in areas in which there's some aptitude.

We don't have the people to go in and dominate NASCAR.

We can dominate the NBA.

We can dominate the NFL.

We can dominate music.

We can't dominate NASCAR.

We don't have the talent.

We don't have the aptitude.

And we also don't have the attention.

We don't care.

So that's the reason why I don't think black people

are going to buy into this.

And as the leader of it,

Michael Jordan is not part of quote unquote the culture.

And secondly, we don't have the talent.

Who's going to go and actually jump in and actually be good

to make this make sense?

There's no answer to that question.

You all have beaten me up enough that I'm going to move on

from this topic.

And this may be the last appearance for all three of you.

I got to get some people in here who actually agree with me

I think it's really what the problem is.

I want to play you guys this clip of moving on.

Luca Donkitch and JJ Reddick,

I believe this is from last night.

Looks clear as day to me that these guys do not like each other.

Is this just a VO?

It's not a sock?

Yeah.

Oh, look at this interaction between Luca and JJ Reddick.

I mean, he's trying to talk.

As this plays and they go back and forth

and Luca tries to ignore him.

JJ Reddick's time with the Los Angeles Lakers

is going to last as long as Lebron is there.

When Lebron leaves, so does JJ Reddick.

And JJ Reddick might leave before Lebron.

That they may fire JJ as soon as the season's over

and then they'll have to figure out what to do

with Lebron James afterwards.

SCAP, what do you make of that exchange?

Honestly, that specific exchange,

I think it's much to do about nothing quite frankly.

It honestly, that wasn't even from last night's game.

It was from two games ago against the Golden State Warriors.

They played the Kings last night.

I don't know why.

This is erupting on social media now.

I'm seeing it over, basically being posted over the last seven hours

but that was not from last night's game.

Look, after last night's game, another game,

the Lakers have been terrible as of late

to actually blew the Warriors out

and they blew the Kings out last night.

And after the game, Reddick was effusive

with his praise about Luca Donjich.

And when he was asked a question specifically about Luca,

he'd drawn Don for like 90 seconds

and he had this whimsical smile on his face,

like he was talking about his own shyness.

He's still seeing his rear end.

It sounds like that.

Pretty much.

But look, these guys have this season at least.

They typically are good on the sidelines.

They do this thing, JJ and Luca,

where they shoot off against each other

and practiced oftentimes from half court.

They're playing around with each other.

They look genuinely like they enjoy each other.

I think this overall is more of a commentary

about Luca Donjich's joylessness

to play basketball in LA in general.

Like basically, since the trade from Dallas,

like the guy looked like his puppy got killed or something

in the introductory press conference

when he was holding up his Lakers jersey

immediately following the trade from Dallas.

He was moping around town for the next month after that.

He just generally, by and large,

doesn't have like the love and the passion and excitement

to play basketball on a night in and night out basis.

There are flashes and glimpses of it

in the last roughly year now in LA.

But it's not as profound or pronounced, I should say,

like just his excitement and passion and enthusiasm to play

as it was when we saw him in Dallas.

So I think it's just mainly just a commentary on

how he feels right now in that town.

And also, the team is fractured around.

I mean, Jason, look at what's happened.

Like LeBron James, obviously, just drives like a rift

through the team.

Look at the Genie bus, the governor of the team,

the story that broke the Baxter Holmes ESPN piece

about just how dreadful ownership was as well.

Like that is just a clown car of an organization right now.

And I think it's just bleeding into Luca Donchich's play

on the floor.

Steve, Scab says nothing to see here.

You agree?

Um, partially.

I think some of this stuff can be overblown.

However, you know, here's the issue.

And last week I stuck up for JJ Reddick.

And, you know, I've kind of read thoughts.

Here's the issue.

If JJ is going to coach anybody hard out of the two stars,

it can never be LeBron.

Campy.

If he's ever going to act that way towards a player

out of his two best players or best known,

he can never do it with the guy from Akron.

So who's always going to get the brunt of the hard coaching

if there is such a thing in the NBA?

It's going to have to be that other guy.

And I think that is the issue.

Um, I'll take Scab's word for it.

It's not a big deal.

You move on.

You know, but I'm going to reiterate something.

I say over and over again.

The Lakers cannot turn the page

until they get the carpet bagger from Akron, Ohio, out of here.

Jay is the only one that's actually played professional basketball.

Something or nothing here.

Generally nothing because this kind of stuff often happens

away from cameras and locker rooms and team buses

and in practices.

Not always in a game where everybody can see it.

Even though we did see this, one thing I would say to Steve's credit

is that when the star player is batting heads,

bashing heads with the coach.

And this week, these days, JJ Reddick understands

where his bread gets butter.

And if Luca doesn't want JJ Reddick,

we'll be going.

So that 90 second well-wishing

that JJ did about Luca after the last game that Scab

referred to, kind of necessary with the way it appears

that Luca's energy is his way of being is.

So JJ Reddick understands he's going to keep his job

with the Lakers.

He has to please that guy, not LeBron,

even though LeBron is his guy.

And that does create a little bit of a weird energy

on that team.

I would guess now that we're talking about him thinking about it.

But overall, not a big deal.

This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Most of it, we never see.

I want to stay with LeBron James

or the Lakers to some degree.

I want to play you this clip.

LeBron talking about his daughter, Zuri,

shooting a little hoops,

coming attending the game with him, I believe,

maybe against Golden State.

And LeBron makes it clear that his wife, Savannah,

wants no part of Zuri playing basketball.

Let's play the clip.

First of all, the first roller trip in my career,

that she's been on the side of, like,

also leading to something like that.

I miss a lot of moments, you know,

spending time with my kids because of my career.

And, you know, anytime I get over the course of my career,

and time I got moments with them, either individually,

two of them, three of them all together,

whatever the case may be, it's always special for me.

So, my daughter wants to come on the road

and be with me, and spend a lot of time yesterday.

We went to Alcatraz.

We went to Alcatraz, we've seen Alcatraz

and saw her going in a bridge,

and went to dinner last night.

It's been a lot of time, that's pretty cool.

We even know her as a volleyball player.

That's how some animals up there.

She's a volleyball player.

Don't get my wife mad.

My wife is down to the basketball,

she doesn't like that.

She's dealt with it.

She's a volleyball player,

but she's been around the game for a while.

So, she do got to the hand,

and she got to go form, too.

But my wife ain't playing that.

Not another one.

She says, that's it.

That's it.

Good win.

Good win.

Good luck, Charm, right here.

1-0.

Drey, I'm going to throw this one at you.

You're married, you got a kid.

I think Savannah James,

I think LeBron, very cleverly,

is protecting his wife

and protecting them from the true,

is LeBron James and Savannah James

want no part of sending their daughter

into that LGBTQIA plus silent pee

women's basketball world.

They don't want any parts of that.

They're not raising a lesbian

and they want her in volleyball.

I saw more of a tongue in cheek thing

coming from LeBron

that he just doesn't want to even put

that spotlight on his daughter

the way it was on his sons.

And maybe his daughter might be better

at volleyball than she is at basketball.

And another kid who he doesn't want

feeling the pressure

of having to quote unquote make it

in a highly competitive space

like basketball.

But now that you bring that up,

I hadn't thought of that.

That is an interesting angle.

And I wouldn't be mad at LeBron

and Savannah if that is indeed their reason.

That is the motivating force.

Trust me.

If LeBron could have another back,

LeBron would have loved to have

30 basketball players.

And if it wasn't for the fact

that female basketball players

tend to lean gay,

he would want a female basketball player

and he forced her into the NBA.

So, Scab,

what do you think of my theory here?

I mean, it kind of makes sense, Jason.

I'm not going to give you much pushback

on this one.

I'm like your Jordan premise.

I got to be honest though.

I've never, I've just seen this footage

for the first time.

I, Zuri could play.

She's got some handles there.

She was hitting some shots.

Guys, her bag looks bigger than Dad's at this point.

I'd like to see Zuri V LeBron

in a game of four.

Throw Brawny in there too.

Let's get Zuri, Brawny, and LeBron

in a game of force.

I'd watch that.

The NBA should put, that should be

an NBA All-Star festivity next year

on Friday night.

I want that.

Steve, am I right here?

Yeah, I think the phrase

that you're looking for

and I don't know why you didn't use it

is turned out.

Yeah.

That's what you're looking for.

Doesn't want her turned out.

There you go.

That's it.

Yeah.

If they don't want her going

through with Caitlin Clark

is going through and it would happen

and they don't want any parts off to it.

And so I want to make sure everybody

get this one.

I'm saluting LeBron James

and Savannah James

for doing the right thing here.

Keep your daughter out of that basketball

until they clean up that basketball mess.

Thank you guys.

Let me clean up my mess

and dismiss you three.

Say farewell to the audience.

I'll never see these three faces again.

I'm wild.

Say goodbye.

We'll have some people.

Luke, Peyton, Justin,

you guys ready for on-camera appearances?

Because I'm sure you guys all

are, uh-oh, when we got Dresa,

goodbye there.

But you guys are ready to come on the show,

make some visual appearances.

Uh, not necessarily.

Yeah, you wouldn't be any good.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And Peyton, you would be here.

I'm ready to take over the show.

Uh, I do know that.

That is true.

That is what Peyton actually thinks.

Is Justin, is your mic on, Justin?

No.

Yeah.

Oh.

Are you ready to come on the show?

Yeah, let's watch this.

No, visually.

Are you ready to come on the show?

Oh, visually?

Oh, no.

Absolutely.

Justin's trying to keep a low profile.

You don't, you don't, uh, should I say,

he, Justin got too many holes.

So.

Absolutely.

It's a joke.

Can I get me in trouble?

I don't know.

How about that?

All right.

Let's get to, let's keep it moving.

Let's get to Bucky Brooks.

Uh, Bucky Brooks,

and that one, uh,

was at the Combine all week.

Uh, and so we want to review,

uh, from the Combine Bucky,

welcome back to the show.

Uh, Jeremiah Love

seemed to wow the scouts

at the Combine and might have shown himself to be, uh,

maybe elevated himself in the NFL draft with his 40 speed

and the other things he did at the Combine, you say.

Look, man, he's the best prospect in the draft.

That's what he is.

If we're talking about,

regardless of position,

we're talking about best player in college football

and those things,

but Jeremiah Love is the best prospect in the draft.

Now, he plays a position that is not valued as such,

but he should be the number one overall pick

if we were just going to the park and saying,

hey, I want to take the best player.

I can do it.

And the reason why,

if you look at it, Jason,

two years of production from Jeremiah Love,

where he topped over a thousand yards,

consistently put the ball in the paint.

We've seen him play big stages,

little stages,

whoever he's played,

he's been a dominant player.

Then he goes to the Combine

and absolutely shows out.

And I know people,

I'll talk about A,

the Underwear Olympics doesn't matter.

437 is real.

And it's real when you take

what he is as a player

with what he is as an athlete

and the special things that he's shown.

He is worthy of being considered

the best player in the draft.

And I think it's time

that we talk to talk about him as such.

Give me the comp.

And so when you say best player in the draft,

and now you try to justify

that number one pick,

you say, well,

he'll be like this guy,

and he'll have the kind of impact

this guy had on the team.

He's, man,

he's phenomenal.

So like it's tough, right?

So people have put the comp out there

about Lydany and Tomlinson.

They'll put the comp out about

Jamir Guiz,

maybe Bijan Robinson.

I'm just looking at my notes right now

and what I wrote down first,

two words, total package.

That's what he is.

Down here runner,

speed, quickness, vision.

He has the best jump cut

I've seen since LT was playing.

He can play in a zone scheme.

He can play in a downhill scheme.

Whatever it is you want him to do as a runner,

he can do that.

But he also can catch the ball

out the backfield.

And today's running back must be

able to catch the ball out the backfield,

must be a factor in the passing game.

So when I say he's the total package,

the running backs that I think about

being total packages

are like a Lydany and Tomlinson.

One that could catch a hundred

out the backfield,

rush for a hundred,

do all those things.

Christian McAfee,

all those things.

He's just a special player.

And I think the combine

confirmed his special quality.

Christian McAfee is

a good comp or something

that provokes thought in me in terms

of because McAfee good receiving

threat in his prime.

Obviously a good runner.

But love seems like he would be

probably more of a home run hitter

than Christian McAfee

and more size than Christian McAfee.

Well, he's listed as six foot

like 214.

And when Christian McAfee

was coming out of Stanford,

Christian McAfee also

could take a distance from anywhere.

That is a lofty expectation

and comparison to put on

like CMC and Lydany and Tomlinson.

But look, I think this dude is worth it.

When we talk about top 10 running backs,

top five running backs,

guys that are worthy of coming off

in that you have to put

them in a special category.

Safe one was number two overall.

He certainly has played up

to that to that part.

When you think about Christian McAfee

who was a top 10 back,

he's played it.

But even B. John Robinson.

So of late when running backs

have going off within the top 10,

they've been worthy of that.

I'm just making the case that

Jeremiah Love to me

should be within the top five

based on what he put together

on his on-field resume

and what he showed us

all as an athlete at the conbot.

Well, if there's no trades

and the Raiders go first,

they got Ashton Junty.

So if there's no trades,

the highest he could go

is number two.

And it sounds like to me,

you think he's worthy

of going number two.

But doesn't the rule book say

that for running backs,

you can't draft them that high anymore?

I mean, the rule book says

a lot of things about

position of value.

But I know this.

You can't go wrong taking

great players.

And he is a great player

on the field.

He showed he's a great athlete

off the field,

all of those things.

A realistic value

because I don't think

that Jesse is going to do that

with Breeze Hall

and whatever situation they make.

But three, four,

Arizona Cardinals at three.

It would make sense

because at some point

you got to get this offense

ignited.

He can ignite that offense.

There's not a quarterback

worthy of being taken to number three.

Jeremiah Love could be in play.

Think about the Tennessee Titans.

What is the common denominator

for the Tennessee Titans

being a dominant team?

They've always had a dominant

running back.

First Eddie George,

Din Derrick Henry.

Think about Brian Dayball.

Brian Dayball had his

greatest success with the Giants

with Sequan Berkeley.

To me,

if you're the Tennessee Titans,

and we can talk about

oh, we need an edge player,

whatever.

To me, the best thing

that they can do for their defense

is to get a dominant

running back to help

Kim Ward and that offense

get up to snuff

and get them back

to playing like the Titans

have traditionally played.

If I'm right,

before the combine,

or maybe this is

even after the combine,

I think before the combine,

you had him going

number eight to the Saints.

Did you move that

up because of what happened

at the combine?

Well, I would move it up

because, look,

I think this,

when you look at all the

one, because we're talking

about the comment in general,

man, this collection of athletes,

like this is the biggest,

fastest collection of athletes

that we've seen come through

any and athletes.

Some people will talk about

A, the turf is fast,

they're getting all this

boot teak training.

Whatever it is,

you can't deny the numbers.

The numbers suggest this class

was phenomenal.

In Jeremiah Love,

what you're doing is,

when you're doing those

mock drafts,

like, that's guessing

what people think about them.

Yes, me, my opinion,

look, man,

this dude is the number one

guy in the class.

Ahead of him in those,

ahead of Arvail Rees,

David Bellino's,

guys, and all of them

are worthy of being

in those conversations.

However,

game change,

who's explosive,

who has a track record

of explosive plays

at Notre Dame?

I just don't,

I don't know how you can say

that he's not a top five pick.

The name you left off,

when you ratted off

best player in the draft,

you left off

sunny styles.

Another guy that had a

big combine,

and a lot of buzz coming

out of the combine,

six foot four,

six foot five,

240-pound linebacker

that ran a four,

four, six,

40.

I was,

I came into our conversation

to thinking that sunny styles

is the can't misplayer

in this draft.

You say what?

Oh, look, he's phenomenal.

And if I said the comparison

is a more explosive version

of Fred Warner,

every defense

of coordinated would,

would take that.

You look at his link.

Six five,

244-pound,

it's his arms.

He's almost

at 33-inch arms.

Four, four, six,

40, 43-inch vertical

and 11-two broad jump.

His ten-time

was 156,

so that explosiveness

that you see is real.

Now, the thing

where the broad jump

and the vertical jump

matters when you think

about playing zone defense

and how they want to really

change the passing lanes

and the throwing windows,

where with that size

and that length

and that athleticism,

he's going to make

it very difficult

for quarterbacks to find

windows over the middle

of the field.

Dean, you go back

and look at the tape

and you can make the argument.

He got better and better

over the course of the year.

He has some

patch-first ability

but he's a natural

linebacker with

sideline to sideline

playmaking ability.

He's a bit of a unicorn

at a time where

we got other unicorns

in this draft,

like his teammate,

Arville Reese.

Both of those guys

showed themselves well

but absolutely sunny styles.

Top 10 prospect.

Position that is not

valued as a traditional

position,

but when you think about

the Roku on Smiths,

who've come off the board

within the top 10,

there have been guys

that have played up to

even Devin White,

who's taken five

by the 10 Bay Buccaneers,

he earned a pro bowl

was a big part

of their Super Bowl run

when they won it.

Looks sunny styles

now has to be in that

conversation early

in the draft.

I, and you're saying

that inside Fred

Warner type position

is undervalued now

because to me,

that would seem like

exactly what I

would want in the middle

of my defense.

Yeah, like when you were

talking about the book

and what the rules

would say, like,

there are these rules

that have kind of

floated out there.

Some of that has been

put on by us on the

TV side saying,

oh, you can't take

a non-markie position,

a position that's not

valued, you know,

running backs and line

backers, you can get

those anywhere.

However, I come

from the camp up,

you cannot bypass

great players,

regardless of position.

And in sunny styles,

you have a player

who won't take it

showing you the ability

to be disruptive,

the ability to make

plays, then you couple

that with an

athletic profile

that is next level.

Yeah, you have to

have to have

discussions about him

being the top 10

prospect because he's

worthy of being the

top 10 prospect

regardless of the

position that he plays.

The reason I'm interested

in styles, but I want

to flip back to

Jeremiah Love.

I'm a candidacy

chiefs fan.

And, you know,

obviously sunny styles

could help the chiefs

defense, but more

important than that.

Someone like Jeremiah Love

could really help the

candid city chiefs.

Could you see that

chiefs putting together

some sort of package

to go get Jeremiah Love?

Would it be worth that

for Patrick Mahomes

and the chiefs offense?

I would say that that

has been the missing link

for the chiefs

to last three or four

years.

As great as this been,

they're missing the

dynamic running back

to alleviate some

of the pressure

on Patrick Mahomes.

Because they don't

have anyone in the back

field that makes you

make decisions.

Do you want to put

another guy in the box?

Do you want to put

someone outside?

How do we want to

handle this offense

with a dynamic

quarterback and an

explosive running back?

Jeremiah Love

would change the way

that you have to defend

them.

It also would take some

of the pressure on them

to find a number

more receiver on the

outside.

Because if you're so

worried about the

running back, then you get

one-on-one attention

on the outside.

That makes it easier

for Xavier Worthy and

Rashee Rice and some

of those other guys

to get open.

To me, it's a no-brainer

if they can get Jeremiah Love

if he's there for them

to take

make sense because

that is what this offense

needs, particularly

when we don't know

if Pat Mahomes

improvisational

skills are going to be

compromised

with a torn ACL.

Yeah.

And Peyton just

text me like, I get Love

would be gone.

But I'm talking about

trading up for him

and putting together

some packets so they get

up in the top five

and have a chance to get

him.

I want to play you this

clip from Mary K.

Cabin.

She covers the Cleveland

Browns.

There's been some

rumblings that

Ty Simpson may be

a candidate for the

Cleveland Browns.

Let's play Sade.

I think if they were

going to add another

quarterback, it probably

would be a veteran

in terms of someone

that they thought

could possibly start

for them in 2026.

If they bring in another

rookie, that player

would be more of a

developmental player

that would sit

behind Shadour

Dishon, whoever else.

Because right now,

I really don't see

an option for them

unless they

really believe that

Ty Simpson is their

quarterback of the

future.

I don't know if they

would seriously take him

at number six or if they

I know they're

considering it.

They're looking at him

at number six,

number 24,

number 39.

But they would have to

weigh that

against what they think

Shadour can do for them.

And he's already seven

starts in.

So I think that might

be a bit of a

long shot.

See, this is

this is why I would

have never

allowed Shadour into

my organization.

Because if I'm making

draft decisions based

off of Shadour

Sanders, I just think

it's a mistake.

He's a fifth-round

pick.

If they think Ty Simpson

is a player,

get him at 24 or

get him at 39.

Ty Simpson has made a

comment that he would

actually love to play

in Cleveland.

My dad and coach

Munkin go way back.

They talk often.

He texted him when he

got the job.

And they've texted

a little bit since.

So if I had the

opportunity to play

for the Browns,

it would be a dream come

true.

Man, the Browns,

a quarterback that actually

wants to go to

Cleveland.

I think he would make

a lot of sense for them

at 39 and maybe

even at 24.

Your thoughts.

Okay, 39.

Now you're talking

because that's the second

round pick.

And that would make sense

to take him in the second

round.

Here's the thing about

Ty Simpson.

It doesn't be a lot of

conversation.

We want to get ahead of the

conversation before we start

making TV shows that

over-inflate Ty Simpson

going down the road.

Ty Simpson,

measured in a shade

under 62.

He is 210 pounds

now but said he gained

15 pounds which made

doing a regular season.

He was 195.

He only has 15 starts

going into the national

football league.

You know who the

profiles like that

with a small

resume.

Anthony Richardson,

trade Lance,

Mitchell Trubisky.

So we're talking about

inexperienced player who

fell off down the

stretch.

He had an eight game

run that was phenomenal

Alabama.

But if you look up those

last five games, the

completion percentage

was sub 60.

And it was in great playing

in those big games when

they needed him the most.

That said, when you watch

him throw, quick rhythm

pass or touch

timing, anticipation, all

of that is great.

Footwork looks like

textbook stuff.

However, when you're

in the draft firm, when

you're the Cleveland

Browns, you have to way

tie Simpson versus

Deshaum Watson.

Ties Simpson versus

Shadour Sanders.

And if it's not

overwhelming in the favor

of Simpson, then you move

on and find another

position player that can

help the team and wait

for the quarterback that

is better than the two

that I've mentioned to

put in place as your

potential QB1 for the

future.

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last season, completed about 60% of his passes but the guy ran a 4-3-40 and it

made me say holy cow and you know he's bigger than I think he's 6-4-6-5. Is

someone now maybe in the second or third round gonna take tailing green and

think well you know maybe he can run around we can catch some Lamar Jackson type

lightning with tailing green. He's definitely on the radar I don't think

they're necessarily thinking about Lamar Jackson and my mind when I see all

those dimensions and traits and I know people gonna be like why would you say

that? To me that looks like a Y receiver profile given how he played at

Arkansas some of the struggles or whatever so I think that he may end up being

a slash. He's already said he's not a Y receiver he's already said all

those things but Jason when you look at him on tape there's nothing called

Lamar Jackson but like I mean I'm just I'm just this guy didn't he says that

because you know I mean look there was a black bill polling are you black

bill polling you just call this black man a Y receiver just I would love to

I would love to have Bill Poli in his career as a six-time executive the year but

here's what I'm gonna tell you the last Arkansas quarterback that profile like

that was Matt Jones and Matt Jones played Y receiver in the league tailing green

here's what I would I would say it's it's look we're gonna bring in a quarterback

we're gonna let you ever we're gonna let you have every opportunity to be a

quarterback in this league but in your spare time we also make them give you some

routes to run and do some things to give yourself an opportunity to make it in

the league ultimately tailing green will have to make a decision whether he's a

quarterback only or if he's open to the idea of being a slash but that kind of

athleticism that he displayed man you trying to find somewhere where you can

use that and that position might not necessarily be a quarterback it may be on

the flank scene if you can develop in as a wider or I think there's even teams

consider it can we put a little weight on him and make him a tight end but but

Bucky seriously no sarcasm here why don't you see him as a quarterback

I mean I think their inconsistencies in his game and I think like let's be honest

no one was talking about him as a high-level quarterback coming into the

comma now the athleticism and the freakish traits are there but look I just

think if you look at the profile you look at how he performed throughout his

time at Arkansas I don't know if you would necessarily get excited about him

being anything more than a developmental prospect but because he's so

athletic as a developmental prospect you want to give him every chance to be

able to be a contributor on your team and so it's not a knock to say that oh he

can't play quarterback but hey would you be open if the quarterback thing doesn't

go well early would you be open to playing another position look I think it I

think is your duty as an evaluated ahead look Jason I I entered the league as a

wide receiver had no idea that I would play defense of back but low in the

hole I end up playing long in the league because I play corner I think he

should give himself every opportunity to extend his career by being open to a

position change if it pops up let I want to play the clip of what Chase Daniel

former NFL backup quarterback for like 15 years what do you have to say about

tailing green I really don't thank you guys know what type of

combine performance it says from tailing green quarterback out of Arkansas 6-6

40 yard dash at 6-6 a 4-3-6 second all time among anybody else in the

combine's history of quarterback he vertical jumped almost 44 it's the most

to ever a broad jump of 11 feet two inches are you look I get it he might

play quarterback he might be receiver he might be tied in can you imagine what

this dude can do with an NFL spread it out RPO style offense dude this I'm

telling you right now this is gonna get him drafted a lot higher than a lot of

people think and if you don't believe in him man something's coming for you

because I'm telling you right now this performance is special sounds like

Chase Daniel things he could go any second or third round can you see that

there'll be early but in a quarterback class where you don't have a lot of like

try and true options maybe but I think it's very important that you have a

plan Jason when I'm going back through and I'm looking at his numbers right

now 59 passing touchdowns 35 interceptions 35 rushing touchdowns 6-6 224

pounds like we talked about he'll get every opportunity to do those things that

Chase is talking about RPO systems see all that let's see what he can do but when

you're that athletic and that explosive at their size while our receiver is

always going to be a fallback position and he shouldn't see it as a sign of

disrespect he should see it as a compliment to the athletic ability that he

brings to the lead I'm gonna make this prediction the Baltimore Ravens are

gonna draft him with the third round I think they'll draft him and they'll say

hey look you can play a little quarterback you can play special teams and you can

play wide receiver we can get you on the field a multiple different ways and if

Lamar ever goes down will never be able to and Lamar can't even run like Lamar

used to but let's say if Lamar goes down could you could we start another

quarterback and then use you in spots as the backup quarterback when we want to

go to the QB running game I think he would make a lot of sense in Baltimore

let me move on to Mackayd Lemon the wide receiver for USC that had a little

interview issue or people were talking about let's play the club Mackayd who is

one NFL player you matter your game after or look up to I play say I'm gonna

say Brown you know what type of great he plays with you know what type of a way he

can have a positive impact you know on the team without the ball in his hands

people have been talking about this and some people are like people should

stay away this guy's a weirdo you know someone old and

curmudgeonly like me I don't like the hairstyle I don't you know people that

spend that much time working on their hair spoke me but then other people are

just like the whole head bobbing and all that something or nothing here I mean

because what it does is when you ask around how he was in interviews and they

say like he didn't interview well I wasn't a great he didn't put on a great

projection in terms of like professionalism and those things and and so that

could be problematic now you got to get the note a kid a little more to kind of

understand who he is what he's about how he's gonna fit into the locker room in

those things you can't deny the talent like he's a really good player he was

one to the top three wide receivers coming into the combine and he can run

Ralph like a freak show but that would kind of just one of those things that

you have to work through it wasn't perfect but I would say like is it something

that can be coached through can he have some media training can he handle the

communication part better but yeah it wasn't wasn't a great showing from

Michael oh man I need not great not great to start school for for these guys

hey Bucky finally you already hinted at this but I think on average seven of the

eight positions were the fastest position groups in combine history seven of

the eight positions on average ran as fast in the history of the combine is

this better training better drugs better turf what look I think you have a

generation that has grown up watching the combine on TV and they aspire to be

the fastest man they've trained much sooner than our generation got a hold of

training and so this is a byproduct of all of that these guys attack the training

process early they do like competing in these type things because what the

combine is is no different than the camps that they've gone to for years the

opening rivals camp under armor all those things they put those guys in

those situations where you get to test and jump and see who's who and what's

what so I think all of those things and the industry the combine training

industry has had a significant impact on the readiness of these players when it

comes to the combine and that's why we're seeing these times that's why we're

seeing these explosive jumps to me it is a good thing because look it was really

entertaining to watch these guys show some impressive athleticism I said last

question but I got one more thing has none to do with football I want you to

settle or debate that I was having at the top of the show before you got here

I'm someone that believes Michael Jordan's three straight wins in NASCAR

racing is going to drive interest in NASCAR the rest of this season and Steve

Kim, Dre Baldwin, Jason Scappernick they all laughed at me and said hey nobody

tuning in to watch Michael Jordan own a car that's going around in circles I

think that people are going to tune in it's Michael Jordan it's history it's

going to be sold well Bucky are you fascinated at all by Michael Jordan's

NASCAR team? Absolutely as a tour of them absolutely fascinated by the 3p that

is people has done it but also growing up in the South growing up in North

Carolina NASCAR was huge you think about Michael Jordan I think about Brad

Dirty who wore 43 for Richard Petty who has also been a part of ownership

groups who is broadcasted NASCAR things but here's why Michael Jordan's

success will be a game changer you think about all these kids who have grown

up wanting to be like Michael Jordan right and you think about his influence on

basketball when they let's think about his influence as an owner and how you're

able to take the winning traits that you showed and basketball and now you can

convey that to an ownership group as part of a NASCAR deal and to hear Michael

Jordan talk about NASCAR and why he elected to go for this driver and the

others and building a team and all that I think it will respond some of these

hyper competitive athletes who have access and money to think about it and so

yes there's going to be more interest this year but I think it's a longer

conversation about how owner ownership is going to change with more former

athletes thinking that they could plunk down big money and use their influence

to drive success as chair opponents it's it's these guys Dre Baldwin and Steve

they kind of laughed at me when I was like man black people are gonna hop on

board with this man and and again I'm from Indianapolis grew up with the

Indy 500 yes you're from North Carolina familiar with racing and all that I

think there are black race car fans that will hop on board and I don't think

it's a small number of people no look it's always been a thing I remember

watching NASCAR races with my granddad I remember being a big fan of watching

look man Dale Earnhardt Richard Petty you think about how you're all those

racers like that was a part but it never been an entry way for us because we

never saw those that looked like us in prominent positions well now Michael

Jordan has an opportunity obviously to change that narrative with the

successful racing team the team is dominating early yeah I think there's a

lot of fascination about this and if they continue to have a lot of success only

more and more interest because you know what we're going to drive the

conversation on these shows about Michael Jordan in the success because there's

nothing more than we love than Michael Jordan thank you Bucky appreciate it

did I hear the Chamecas in the zoom can we bring Chameca on someone says

Chamecas in as I've heard this pull her up Chameke you look awesome thank you

you agree with me about you're interested in this NASCAR thing I've heard

Bucky Brooks now you please explain yeah absolutely and listening to his

explanation maybe it's because I am from North Carolina so I've heard some

people I absolutely a Tar Heel fan so maybe that's what it is because I've

heard of Richard Petty and Kyle Petty and so now that Michael Jordan is involved

and because he is who he is I'm ready to go to a race I want to see what's

going on I don't care that he's not driving the car but it's Michael Jordan and

I've talked to other people who are now talking more about NASCAR and racing

that never it never came up in the conversation before so I do think that he's

going to make a difference you failed to mention also that you are prone to be

Petty and so okay you know you're fascinating yeah all right we'll see

Chameca again here in a second we'll be on the Harmony Channel talking

about the NAACP image awards and maybe a little more Candace Owens but

that'll be on the Harmony Channel in about ten minutes before we get out of

here I want to hear from the peanut gallery who we've already heard from

once today but I want their review of the show Luke get us rolling what was the

highlight of today's show oh man you put me on a spot like that probably oh what

second you had no idea we were doing a second I just got a surprise I wouldn't

think about it now first off just got to give credit to I do want to give

credit again to Ren this looks incredible Ren great no one knows who Ren is

well why are you giving Ren credit Ren's the art department as they call him you

know like why are we giving Ren credit for my work okay I I can't you like

damn you know it was my idea you think Ren would have thought of that if I

hadn't said I basically told him how to do it all he did was follow my

directions okay so credit to Ren and Jason credit to Jason for the idea Jason and

Ren credit to Jason and Ren for executing all right so that's it that's all

yeah he likes the over the shoulder I'll do to Justin what was the best part of

today's show oh man I got a couple here so like the NASCAR thing it's it's

interesting but I just think but people would like it more if it was a little

bit more wacky the races you know driving a straight line it's not interesting let's

be real it's not interesting well I mean we could put some rims and you know that

to do it that it's nice hanging from the rear view mirror I've been

told yeah the Phoenix speedway has ordered in some Hinesi VSOP to serve this

weekend so that will be an attraction and another thing the Luca

erratic thing listen this is just this is just another sign that Lucas

coming back to Dallas so we can't wait whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

you think Lucas coming back to Dallas oh yeah Nico's out yeah

for a retirement tour in like 15 years probably not windy 28 is coming

back to Dallas when that extensions over with in 2028 he'll be right back he's

in 2028 when the extent Peyton you say no no I think he's just grasping

straws I mean I hope to see it though I don't I want to see anything good

happening Los Angeles so Dallas I mean well you got Cooper flag now so you got

your consolation prize and the not fixed lottery in 20 that's two years from

now how old is that I don't believe by the way how old is Lucas like 20 cents he

just turned 27 I believe yeah it wouldn't be washed up although you know we'll

see if you can still keep his weight down huh huh all right I didn't realize

that that was a theory the Luca coming back when they might be good by

then Cooper flag would be in his from Justin's point of view yeah Cooper flag

would be in his prime yeah who knows and we might get another rig draft this

year it might be a two-part deal this would be one this would be one to rig for

yeah another yeah all right Peyton what's the highlight of today's show well

what you mentioned something about clean versions of rap songs back in the

beginning of the show and I was just kind of laughing because I've you know

heard some of those and it's like 80 percent instrumentals like just like

drum beats and stuff like that there's not even any words because there's so

many expletives so I think it's like kind of funny the whole concept because

it's a clean wrap yeah clean wrap yeah well there is yeah there is no such

thing as a clean wrap song I tend to agree with you yeah and then like you

know like the Fox or you know Jordan and the NASCAR stuff and I think Fox has

kind of been the big winner of this because they've already gotten more Jordan

than NBC did NBC paid yeah he's talked more to Fox and said more interesting

things yeah to Fox forced and he has a big one yeah but I think NBC also has