Ep 1109 | Coach Jason Brown on College Sports Chaos | Heath Evans on Belichick, Saban & Sean Payton

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Colorsports are a hot, hot, hot mess.

I'm going to talk about that with Coach Jason Brown to start this show.

I want to start by showing you this graphic.

Senior night in college basketball across the country.

The power five conferences.

Just 22 seniors.

One senior night will celebrate senior night at the school they started at.

Four, five year experience at one school.

Only 22 in the SCC.

Just one player played four or five seasons

at the same school for senior night in basketball.

In the SCC, I saw Lane Kiffin complaining about this.

College sports are a hot mess.

You've got Donald Trump holding a roundtable discussion with key influencers

and major players and commissioners in college sports.

Everybody knows that college sports are in total chaos.

You have the NCAA right now fighting Trinidad Chambles and Ole Miss

as they try to get Trinidad Chambles a six year of college eligibility at Ole Miss.

I don't blame Trinidad.

He's a marginal NFL prospect.

He's undersized he's trying to collect another $234 million at Ole Miss.

He wants that six season.

But this can't continue and go on forever.

There needs to be some structure in college sports.

We're headed for March Madness.

And it could be one of the best March Madness in recent years.

There are players that we recognize.

They're a fascinating team.

You got the undefeated Miami team.

Are they even going to get in?

But you got the powerhouse schools with teams.

If not going to cover up the fact that college sports are in free fall and in total chaos

and it's completely collapsed, we'll get Coach Jason Brown's take on that.

That's how we will start this Friday edition of Fearless.

You also do not want to miss the second half of the show.

We're starting JB at the front.

We normally have JB at the back on Fridays.

But I'm really fired up about the interview.

I want to do with Heath Evans.

Former NFL fullback for 10 years.

Played in the NFL for Mike Hungren.

Nick Sabin when Sabin was with the Dolphins.

Bill Belichick obviously in New England.

And Sean Payton at the Northern Saints won a Super Bowl with Sean Payton.

Heath Evans, hell of a football player, provocative thoughts.

Can't wait for that interview at the back end.

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Can't wait to talk to Heath Evans.

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Welcome back.

Thank you, Coast Jason Brown.

We got JB a little early on this Friday.

We're going to start the show off with a bang instead of...

Well, we're going to end the show with a bang too because Heath Evans is going to join us.

But normally JB bats clean up.

He's batting lead off for us today.

JB, I've just been talking about just this chaos we have in college sports.

In basketball on senior night, the five power conferences.

Only 22 seniors.

Only 22 guys that are at the schools they started at had a four or five year experience.

You got Trinidad Chamblis and the NCAA fighting with each other.

Whether he's going to get a six year of eligibility.

Donald Trump just hosted a round table with Nick Sabin and other power brokers in college sports.

Can this thing be fixed, JB?

No.

It can't be fixed unless you're going to re-nig and do everything and say I'm going to start over.

How are you going to fix it now?

The kids have tasted the recipe.

So how are you going to tell them that there is no more catfish and there is no more salmon.

And there's no more barbecue ribs at JB's house at Jason with like one show up for it.

How are you going to tell them all that Jason?

Like I'm curious how you're going to tell.

I'm going to put this tube full of pace that we've squeezed out for since you and I played.

And now we're going to put it back in.

No way.

It's not possible.

You're going to have a total total.

What would that be?

You would implode the current product and have to restart and do it all over again.

And then you're going to have.

I don't know.

Maybe you'll get juke go back.

Maybe you'll get the blood life football back high school.

But right now there's no way to fix it unless you completely gut it.

And then you're going to lose product entertainment value products.

You're going to lose the product quality because you're not going to get the same player.

They're going to go elsewhere.

So I'm curious to see what happens.

I think it's really difficult to take a hard line stance because I was sitting there.

You remember when the NHL said okay.

If you guys were going to do something else and they made the NHL players buckle

and they basically instituted a new system.

Well, right now these colleges and these streaming services and television networks

are paying so much money for this college content that I don't think they can pull the plug

even for a year or even for six months to break the players the way the hockey players were once broken.

You may be right.

Everybody's wearing gold and handcuffs and we may just be locked in this prison.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised from what I've heard.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see implementation of an agency type of situation

where agents are getting involved representing these younger guys.

And they abolished the three or out of high school rule.

And then these guys don't now amateur hour will be the USFL or UFL not college.

Because if they end up gutting it and making it that, like you just said,

there's no possible way ESPN and Fox and everybody else loses their TV contract.

Especially when you have Notre Dame's of the world who are thriving and living off those TV contracts.

How are you going to just tell these players?

All right, you're going to play for free again.

They're going to get agents and they're going to go play in professional semi-professional leagues.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

We're talking to the I don't think you can ever go back to these guys being amateurs.

But there is a way to come up with a system where they're paid,

where they're incentivized to actually go to class,

where they get some of their money upon graduation or completion of eligibility.

They're going to get paid something, but it doesn't have to be this Wild Wild West

where we're just giving kids hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars,

allowing them to pay for tutors to do their schoolwork, everything online.

And we can certainly do something about the transfer portal.

There is a way to add some structure, no?

Well, there's only 3% of guys getting that money, Jason.

I think people don't understand.

There's 3% of 131 Division I playing schools.

You do the math times 85 on a roster.

You do the math on how many players are playing college football.

3% of those players are actually getting the Shador Sanders,

the big dollars in college football.

The rest of those guys are not.

And here's the thing about it.

You're seeing what is happening and transpiring in college today

is if directly affecting the product in the NFL

because these players no longer love the game.

They no longer have a desire to play beyond 30.

We've had 20 players under the age of 28 retire

before they turned 28 in the last three years alone.

20.

Just Caleb Williams Center just resigned yesterday, 27 years old.

Just called the quits, said screw this.

We've seen 20 of those in the last three years.

You can't tell me that's not a direct correlation

of getting paid in college and then extending my life in college

six, seven years now.

And then you're telling them to go to the NFL at 24, 25 years old

and you think they're going to try to play 10 years in the NFL?

They don't even want to get to 30 years, Jason.

They don't even play till they're 30 when the real grind kicks in.

Ask our lacquer and all these guys, Sean King.

The 30-year-olds is when it started.

They're like, all right, now this is my test.

They don't even care about a second and third contract anymore.

That was ultimately going to the NFL.

It was once family, support the family,

get me out, whatever.

Give me out the hood, get my family of house, whatever.

Then it was all the toys and all the fun stuff I want.

Now it's not even that.

Now let me create a podcast platform, streaming platform,

while I'm playing, and then I'll retire before I'm 28 years old

and I already have made millions in college, Jason.

Why would I even have to play this long?

And remember, my point is this, though, long-winded point.

27-year-olds are the ones that are retiring.

Those are the ones that got the bag in college, though.

Remember, three percent of the college is only two, three years old.

You know, yeah.

Most of the guys that are retiring early,

this is over the concussion narrative.

A lot of it. It's hit.

They just feel like it's not safe.

It's mental strain.

By the way, I literally tell this research from my show.

The number 20 of those guys that retired in the last three years

before 28 years old, all said mental strain is the main reason.

Because they have to give a reason to turn in their card to retire.

And then if they want to get that card back in five years

when they're flat broke, like they're going to be just watch.

And then they'll try to come back, watch what happens.

So the reason he is, mental strain.

What a crutch cop out.

What a bunch of, I don't know if they're cowards or what.

But this is what a product in college creates.

And then you know what?

So I've been getting, like, smiddy and darn out.

Whoa, JB, come on now.

I said, what do you mean?

The guys that are retiring are the ones that got paid in college.

The ones that didn't get paid in college.

The other 97% Jason.

Guess why they don't get paid?

Because they're not NFL players anyway.

That's why they're not getting paid.

So there's only three percent of these guys getting millions of dollars in college football.

So those are the guys that are retiring early.

And guess what?

Those are the best players, right?

So the product in the NFL is going like this.

Look, I could certainly see it in the future.

I don't think we're there yet.

I think this current group, the Shadour Sanders, the Travis Hunter,

not, I'm not calling them individually.

Those guys, recent draft picks in the last two or three years,

I do think those guys will retire earlier.

And it'll be over health concerns.

I'm not going to blame these guys for that.

The ball takes a toll on you.

And look, the offensive linemen retirees.

You know, it's not like these guys.

It's not Anthony Munoz didn't retire.

It's not, you know, Willy Roof didn't retire.

A good NFL offensive linemen retire.

Doesn't drive any ratings.

It's the quarterbacks.

A few handful of the skills players.

Got the Miles Garris that you tune in.

You want them to play a long time.

Everybody else is kind of interchangeable.

But what I will say, JB, it's what, remember Marvelous Marvin Hagler,

talking about sleeping on satin sheets.

And it's hard to get up and run when you've been sleeping on these satin sheets.

That's what's going to hurt the future of the NFL.

That's what it is right now, I think.

Yeah, these guys riding around in luxury cars since they were 18, 19 years old.

These guys hitting the strip club and making it rain since they were 18, 19 years old.

That and just look, no one wants to talk about it.

But when you have a culture that a lot of these guys come from,

that's all a part of the sports culture now, hip hop culture, hip hop culture.

Man, these young kids getting at 18, 19,

some of them getting money when they're in high school.

It's part of NFL packages.

If you don't think some of them haven't invested money in the drug game,

trying to live up to the culture, and that's their 401k,

is giving their cousin $50,000 in having their cousin say,

I'm going to give you $75,000 back in two weeks or three weeks.

That is just the level of corruption and stupidity

that giving young kids this amount of money is going to hurt all of college sports.

It's deeper than that, too. It's a lot more macro than that.

You got coaches leaving the game way prematurely, prematurely because

they cannot get through to the kids no more.

There's no longer a foundational developmental stage at all.

Now the kids are leaving year to year to year to different schools.

Now we have four to five different philosophies from four to five different coaches.

The coaches don't really care about the maturation process anymore

because they're all about a bag.

So I got to keep up with the Joneses as the coach.

I got to just get the guy for the bag.

Meaning I can't cut some out. I can't coach them hard.

I can't love them harder.

I can't really mentor the kid and develop them like I want.

So then the coaches now are said, screw this, I've had enough.

I'm not leaving.

So you're losing great mentors in the business.

And what you're developing is a guy that's 17 that doesn't know how to even

change the brakes on his car.

A Prius.

Let alone a Lamborghini.

What are we seeing a huge uptick in?

I mean, the University of Georgia is, you know, 36.

I think arrests for speeding and DUIs in the last two years.

Miles Garrett just had his ninth speeding ticket since 2017.

Yesterday.

So you don't think these other young cats are seeing the millionaire guy.

Miles Garrett do it.

And the rug situation who's in jail and killed people and the Georgia issue with

Jalen Carter and Jordan David, all these issues.

You're telling me that we haven't even given them the keys to a Prius.

Now we're just giving them the keys to a Lamborghini as their first car, Jason.

You and I had to learn how to do certain things.

There was a hierarchy.

They've taken the hierarchy out.

We're having a huge, huge developmental issue at all stages, not just football.

Off the field, off the court.

And now we're seeing more kids dead and buried in in jail than we've ever seen.

Unfortunately, that's just the truth.

And that's what we don't talk about.

We don't want to talk about that.

And that's the problem.

We need to start teaching and mentoring again and developing these kids.

Off the field.

And we can't do that no more because I got to get into portal Jason right now.

I got to get Jason Whitlock before he goes to Alabama.

I got to have 10 days to sign the guy.

I don't know this kid, Jason.

At all.

There's no development.

There's no relationship no more.

I called the mom one time.

She asked me how much money can I get?

I told them and the kids coming.

Because we outbid 17 schools.

It's starting to really piss me off, Jason, because these kids are not getting developed

in the way they need to be.

And now you're seeing it in an NFL.

They're retiring early because they've already hit their precipice or the peak.

They don't want to play anymore.

There's no there's no true investment in the game.

That's why their bodies look weaker and softer because they're not really into it.

They're in Dubai in the offseason with their homies.

Instead of working on their craft.

When other guys were worried back in our day about their second and third contracts

living and trying to be the hall of fame.

Get that gold jacket.

These guys can care less about a gold jacket.

That isn't telling to you.

That doesn't mean nothing to you.

They're not really caring about the game at all.

It's about the money they got.

That's the problem.

JB for the last 25 years.

And the sports media participated in this.

They participate.

Sports media not doing their job, but just promoting.

More money is more better.

Hey, we got to have a playoffs because it's going to make so much money.

We got to expand the NCAA tournament.

Money, money, money, money, money is driving everything in sports.

Once that becomes the case.

Once money is your ruler, then the...

So it's a Bonnie and Clyde situation.

Money's Bonnie and Corruption is Clyde.

And I'm going to give you this exact...

Did you see this story about the college basketball coach that was a Pimp?

My buddy coach is there.

My buddy coach is there.

I played my arena ball in Vegas for a lot of friends there.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's not my buddy that got caught by my buddy is a coach there.

Crazy.

California School hired a coach.

He moonlighted as a Pimp.

And people, how could this happen?

How could the head coach bring in some guy with this little integrity?

I'm just because money is the ruler.

It invites corrupt people in.

People stand as get lower.

Jason, it's bigger than...

It goes deeper than that.

It goes back to what I just said.

It ain't really just money because this coach at Cal State Bakersville is not a big time.

They're not getting big money.

This isn't a big time school.

That's not the point.

No, I hear what you're saying, but here's...

My point is this.

You know why they hired the coach?

Or as well as we would have.

You know why?

Because that coach is the guy to go get the guys that we have to pay.

So now this guy can bring me 10 guys to compete right now to win the thing in our conference.

I hired his coach.

This coach is a tool and he's a whole lower character guy.

And now I don't even know.

I mean, at a street agent, A.U. Coach, criminal, the dabble.

We've had street agents for 50 years.

We've had street agents that you and I were around.

I got it.

But now they're being mainstreamed into the coaching staff.

They used to just remain street agents.

But because the players are getting paid.

Yeah, now coaches feel like, hey, I need a street agent on my coaching staff.

Because I got to have someone that's a little bit more corrupt.

Because you always needed someone.

I don't want to blast this guy.

But do you remember Tony Harvey with Quinn Snyder and the University of Missouri?

Tony Harvey was basically the bag man.

Well, again, now the bag man is now the weed man and the pimp man.

When you're giving young people this much money, young dudes.

And I like Rick Patino.

But I just remember what happened at Louisville with they were bringing strippers in.

I'm not saying Rick Patino, but his assistant coaches were doing.

Because you entice these young guys with tail and cash.

We had that in Nebraska, Colorado and Oklahoma in the 80s.

In the early 90s when all three of those teams were back to back to back when in the 90s.

Nebraska and Tommy Frazier, Colorado, Darien Hagen, my good friend and Oklahoma.

And you know, the run they had with Barry Switzer.

Those three teams, guess where they had other kids from Southern California.

They were Compton LA heavy.

And they were paying with that and having strippers in the end of on the visits.

And that's been going around for a long time.

The problem is it wasn't openly telling you to compete against other schools for open dollars.

Now we can all see now.

That was the issue.

Now they're trying not to tax the kids, Jason.

I don't know.

So you want one side, these other, here's the casual fan kills me.

On this side, we want a union.

Really?

If you want a union, then you're going to get bereavement pay.

You're going to pay for taxes.

You're going to get sick leave.

You're going to get all that stuff.

If you want to get all that on the other side is, well, they're kids.

They shouldn't get taxed.

Wait up.

What?

So which one is it that you want?

So these kids are going to get a not tax in a place like Tennessee.

That's one of the states that's coming up talking about it.

They're not going to tax a kid at Oklahoma.

All right.

There's no state taxes in Tennessee.

That's part of the reason I moved here would continue.

Yeah.

So you're not going to get taxed at all in certain cities or certain states.

And then you throw that on top of it.

There's certain states that already don't have it, right?

Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Florida.

So there's states that don't have it already.

And then you got places like here.

Why do you see a huge drop in talent at a place like UCLA or USC?

You don't think the coaches are using that against them now?

It's a guaranteed.

I've seen text messages.

I promise you Ohio State's using it against USC.

No, I have plenty California.

You get taxes like a 13% rate out there.

States.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so they'll have to pass a law that NIL isn't taxed out in California if they want to continue to compete.

It is going to happen.

We're creating this elite level of chose.

You're going to have five schools in the country soon.

I'm just telling you right now.

It's going to be five schools that can actually resource this out.

You have five schools right now paying $40 million in collective NIL money.

There's five.

And you want to up the playoff teams to 16 to 24.

But only five teams can actually play at the ultimate high level.

And you want to keep going up.

And you don't think we're going to have a worse and worse product every single year.

Stop.

Where's the five teams?

They're going to be five teams.

These five teams that are actually paying these dollars to get these players.

Texas.

Texas Ohio State or two of them.

Texas Tech now is in the mix all of a sudden with the oil money they threw in there.

And there's billionaire that came in there.

You have when you don't mention Florida and Florida state in the top echelon of money.

LSU's the third one.

Our fourth one should be in there.

Michigan's in the mix.

But they're going through a lot of stuff right now since the hardball departure.

So you're having to battle a lot of that before you can start paying and getting out back on track.

We're on more is left.

You got the new female they hired from Texas like this.

Michigan's a whole nother ballgame.

You're trying to keep Bryce underwood there.

The quarterback phenom.

All that stuff.

But you really have five schools.

And you're not even talking about Alabama and Clemson being at the top of the top.

It's LSU Ohio State.

Texas.

Texas Tech.

You got some schools like that are like 40 million dollars.

How many of those guys can do it year in year out though Jason and hold on.

Get new facilities every year.

Fire coaches.

Pay those coaches through their contract through June.

Hire a new coach that wants more money than the last coach.

And then still fund 40 million in IL dollars.

How many schools in America can afford to do that?

I will say this.

The only wrinkle that facilities no longer matter JB.

I mean.

You're right.

But the schools don't know that.

Like the administration don't think that way.

They don't want their campus to look crappy when they're on.

And in a college football playoff type of situation.

So the presidents are still presidents.

They're still doctorate holding guys that know nothing about football for the most part.

So.

Yeah.

I hear you.

I believe you.

I believe that.

Take.

I'm with you.

I don't matter anymore.

I was talking to coaches.

Jersey.

Yeah.

You know.

People.

Whoever cut the biggest check.

These guys feel like now I'll build my own facility.

I mean, hell they're getting paid enough money to put a.

But the people that care are the alumni, the real boosters and the former and the administration.

They care about their campus.

That's the problem.

Because Miami's been horrible facilities for a long, long time.

They're finally starting to do some things.

So this USC UCLA.

Look at how bad.

They're just normal running the mill in the hood.

Schools that don't even have a stadium on campus.

So you're seeing Indiana just want it.

What are their facilities like?

They're pretty nice.

It's a beautiful little town and campus and all that.

Been in Kentucky.

All these schools.

They're beautiful little places.

But they're not Taj Mahal.

They're not Alabama, Oregon, Clemson.

But that don't matter anymore.

I guess you're right.

I just don't know.

Or it'll be another one of those schools that probably can afford to pay.

Let me play you this clip of Rick Patino.

Uh, where he's actually saying, hey, blame the parents.

Not AAU for the decline in basketball.

The quality of playing basketball.

Play the clip.

Is there, um, you know, when Kerr bangs on AAU basketball.

I mean, just look at your roster.

It's full of European and global players.

How is the domestic product to you right now?

Well, the easiest thing to do is blame the AAU system.

And I'm not one of those people that do that.

I would rather blame parents than I would AAU.

I think parents today are way too involved in their children's careers as far as growing up.

The parents need to just sit in the stands, enjoy the game and let the kids develop and develop a love for the game.

20 years ago, I never dealt with parents.

I'm very lucky.

I've got parents that are disciplinarians.

They get after their kids.

But the ones that aren't hurt much more than AAU.

They want to, okay, let's go to a different school next year because you can make 300,000 more.

Now, let's grind it out where you're at.

And play for Tom Ezo and play for this person and play for this guy because he's going to make you a terrific basketball player with discipline and character.

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What do you think of Petino's tape?

1,000 percent agree.

I've been saying that for a long, long time.

It's not the kids fault.

You already mentioned it earlier.

I was listening to you.

You're not going to blame Chambers for coming back if they allow him, right?

You're not going to blame them for getting the money.

You and I aren't going to turn it down.

I'm not blaming them.

It's the parent.

It's the adult in the room.

And we have an old anage.

You coach it or you allow it.

We've allowed it.

So beyond ridiculous levels now.

We've allowed it over and over and over.

And the craziest part that Petino didn't touch on.

That he probably understands and fully grasped.

We're the babysitters more than the parent is now.

We're doing the things the parent won't even do.

We have them 15 hours a day in football.

The parent don't have them at all.

Didn't really want them anyway.

Would love to get away from them and send them off to our school every day.

Even in high schools in the inner city, especially in the inner city and L.A.

Where I've coached forever.

You know how happy they were to get rid of their kid to me.

And then they want to try to dictate now.

That nah, you don't get it.

They're not playing coach.

What's going on?

They're not getting a scholarship.

I'm leaving.

I'm chopping them.

I'm taking them over here now.

And now it's that time's 20.

Because now money's involved now.

I'm shopping dollars.

Even though I've been babysitting and mid-loyal to your kid more than you.

Now you're going to take them on me and shop them for a bigger dollar amount.

And you did nothing for this kid.

You did absolutely nothing.

I've been the parent more than you.

And so this is, it's so bad.

It's so, it's so, you can't get it back.

I don't think you can get this back.

I don't know how you get it back, Jason.

You've alluded to several things.

And I told you that I don't think you can put this pace back in the tube.

Unless you got it.

And like you said, you're not going to be able to gut it.

Because if you gut it, Jason, imagine.

If I just named five schools that can afford to do it year and year out.

What happens to those other schools when you do gut it?

They become drop football.

They become mid-major overnight.

They become a lot of things.

And now it's going to be worse when you get this thing back.

If you ever do to get back to whatever it is.

I said five years ago.

The NIL, the way it was paid.

And thanks to my former teammate and childhood friend Ed O'Bannon,

who seems to have let the genie out the bottle on this thing.

When he sued the NCAA over the name image of the likeness video game thing.

And everybody got paid for a little check.

You cannot.

I said, pay him for the true name image of the likeness.

Meaning your Jersey cell, Johnny Manziel.

I mean, they probably owe him a ridiculous amount of money.

Pay the guys for what you sell in the student store on campus.

If somebody came to you, a Cadillac dealer and said,

Jason Whitlock, we want to give you a car representing Cadillac.

We're going to pay you $100,000 a year to represent Cadillac,

drive our dealer tag car around.

Because of who you are as a player and character.

That's NIL. That's true name image of the likeness.

That has nothing to do with pay to play.

When we made it pay to play,

that's when the cat got out the bag.

And this is how it's become so bad.

The thing that blows my mind, JB,

is like take Kansas basketball.

Great tradition.

History of guys staying three and four years.

Fans have a real connection with them.

Oh, I remember when Jack Final was here.

And he was here for four years.

And he came and ate over at our house as a booster.

And blah, blah, blah.

I get it.

When I watch Kansas now,

and I see these one and done players

or guys that have transferred in from here

and may transfer someplace else next year,

I'm just, how long are the fans in college sports going to

take this revolving door of players that come in and out?

The players don't look like them.

They don't represent the average fans' values.

They're tatted up.

They got these feminized hairstyles.

They're there just for the money.

How long are the fans just going to keep showing up for this?

Does that ever happen?

Do fans ever be like,

man, the same person.

The probals then sold out two years in a row, Jason.

They play flag football.

It's sold out.

You know why?

Because corporate sponsorships have now taken over for the casual fan.

And they've already forward thought this.

There's no way in the world that these TV conglomerates

and all these other folks didn't get together prior,

just like our US government's done since the inception in 1876

or whatever, 1776, my year 50th birthday.

I'm going to 200 year by Centennial.

Anyway, I want to know why Jason,

do you think now that all of a sudden this is going to be back

to being fixed overnight?

Did you see Christian Brown?

The little white point guard for the Denver Nuggets, I believe?

Like a role playing guard?

Brown, he spells it.

BRAUN.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you see what he said today?

No.

Or not this morning, but yes, last night he said,

if I would have got $5 million at KU,

I would have never made the NBA.

And I'm glad former, I'm glad players in the NBA now

are starting to say it because I'm telling you what I've been telling you

is the product is like this.

They're seeing it too now.

And when they get from college to the NBA, he said,

who the hell needs $5 million in Lawrence, Kansas, to live?

And if he would have got that money in Lawrence, Kansas,

he said he would have never made it to the NFL.

All right, out to the NBA.

And he's a great little role player for the Nuggets.

Like, think about that.

And I've been saying this for five years,

why do you need that money?

What are you going to do with that money in Muncie, Indiana?

Like, what are you going to do?

Go buy Applebee's?

Do it.

Like, these kids in Muncie, some $30, $40,000, $50,000.

And literally, JB, I'm just telling you.

And again, I know this was a long time ago.

But man, I would ask the fool when my parents sent me $20, $40.

Or about finance.

What about that?

We got our fast-for-check, Jason.

We thought we were the man.

Like, come on now.

I mean, my coach is illegal as hell now.

But I mean, if they're the column, they're probably going to jail

for federal offenses.

But take our financial aid, Jason.

And they would put them up because they knew we would spend it.

And guess what?

We spending on Jason.

Jordan's, video games, whatever.

What do you think they're spending it on now?

Come on now.

They're flying in only fans' broads.

They're flying to Dubai.

They're taking, they're buying houses for friends and family.

Like, this is getting ridiculous, and you're in college,

and you're expecting to be all in for me?

And come on, academics, throw that out.

Here.

There's not a kid study in a subject period anymore.

Nowhere.

You've already alluded to it.

Not only are they paying the tutor, they're doing...

It's a simple Google search.

Now, plug's in the answer.

They're not even in classes, no more, Jason.

By the way, the FTE...

It matters because they're still enrolled, but they're not in seats.

And teachers at smaller institutions get paid for having the butts in the seats

in the classroom setting.

Not the online virtual setting.

So a lot of things are getting hit here that a lot of people don't want to talk about.

And I'm just telling you, man, this whole thing's imploding in front of a very eyes.

I truly don't believe you get it back.

And tell the great Flood's going to have to just come back and wash it.

That's the only way you can do it.

Let's hear from Kristen Brown.

I did have it in my last year.

I probably got it, which I'm very grateful, obviously, for every dollar that I got.

But I had probably made $60,000 up in total.

And you couldn't tell me shit.

You couldn't tell me shit.

So I could imagine walking around like, I had $60,000.

That's what I made the whole year.

And we won a national championship.

And you couldn't...

No, I probably walked around campus like an asshole.

I'm sure I did.

But you would have...

But at the time, $60,000.

There's a college.

The college sounds unreal.

That's what I'm saying.

I felt like I had the most money in the world.

I'm not going to imagine if you gave me a million dollars when I was in Lawrence.

I wouldn't have made it to NBA.

I can guarantee it.

No doubt in my mind, I would admit.

So that's the other side of the coin that I was talking about.

It's like you learned how to work.

You learned hunger.

You learned what it takes to get to where you want to go.

And now you sustain that rather than getting it just a little bit too early.

Yeah.

It's an interesting point, though.

I mean, I do not think, and I was a bad thing at all.

And I think it was completely necessary.

We've heard, like, I can go on and on and on about the NCAA all day long.

And anything like this, players deserve to be paid.

I do think there needs to be stronger framework around it.

And a little bit more control around it.

But overall, man, I think that's everybody's outlook, you know?

Like I think everybody's like, has a consensus.

That's the exact like, and it should be.

There just needs to be more rules and needs to be more strict.

I don't know that a kid needs five million dollars on one's Kansas.

No.

No.

There's no kid in any city.

But it's almost like we don't know the history of Hollywood child actors

and how many of them lose their mind.

We're just creating a bunch of Britney Spears.

But it's going to get worse.

It's going to get worse.

If you and I make the dollars that we make right now every month,

and you cut us in half, something happened.

God forbid, right?

They cut our salary in half or however we make our money.

We're doing something to supplement.

We're trying to get that back, right?

Some way or shape or form.

When you're 17 to 21, when you try to do that to supplement,

what do you usually see happen?

Cron.

So I'm just telling you straight out.

And you're going to ask these guys.

You're going to take it from them now after you've given it to them.

Or they're partners in their homeboys got it.

And now they're jealous ones envy.

So now, oh man, you got the money.

I'm telling you, it's going to get worse.

There's going to be a huge, huge desalination point

where they're going to go like this.

And then it's going to have to come back when it's all freshly new.

Because there's no way it happens next year.

You're going to take it away next year.

And then the next year it's going to be back to great product.

That's not going to happen.

And now you have a few teams that can afford to do it.

And you're going to add in college football, which is King.

You're going to add 16 team playoff and then 2014 playoff.

I'm telling you to try and get to a 2014 playoff sooner than later.

And they see TV dollars.

They don't see product value.

And I'm just telling you, they think the corporate sponsors are going to front this thing

and fund it like the NFL's corporate sponsors do for the pro ball and all those things.

Because I don't know a soul that watches the pro ball or attends it.

But it's sold out.

Come on.

That's not me and you going to that flag football thing.

So like this is going to get bad.

It's going to get worse, I believe.

That's the forward thinking of this.

I think it's going to get worse.

I don't believe there's a model in existence that anyone start up or can think of.

That's going to fix it.

You just have to start over Jason.

You literally have to gut it.

Because listen, I've heard from Sarkin Lane and all these friends of mine that said,

Jamie, you know how hard it is to yell at Jason we're locking the locker room

that makes three million a year.

And then the backup left tackle or the starting left tackle who makes a hundred grand

has to still hear my same ass ripping.

And he shuts me off.

He's like, man, I didn't do it.

I make a hundred grand.

It's got to make three mil.

The locker room.

It's the tension to be keeping the the eyes and the ears open to your your gospel is no longer.

Because they tune you out now.

It's all about money.

Now it's a jealous one's envy.

Now it's a bunch of hatred to going on.

When I looked to my left and Jason Whitlock makes three million.

And I see that I make 20 grand.

But I was a huge impact player that game.

I had to go in and play.

I got a pick.

And I didn't I'm not getting a million dollar just for that game.

I'm not getting somebody's not giving me a envelope after the game like we used to.

That's when these guys were hungry and played better.

Now there's it.

I got 20 grand for the year.

And I have to really contribute.

And then I get cussed out.

Or what a like you really really ruined this thing on a macro scale.

Nobody really thinks about the locker room and all the other things.

JB, let me move on to a couple of the things.

Tom Brady and all the heat.

That is now starting to come down on his head.

Did you see Jim Rome?

Do we got the clip of Jim Rome?

I think we played it yesterday.

Jim Rome.

Trashing Tom Brady about Max Crosby wanting out.

Let's play that clip.

He pops in four times a year.

Call shots from wherever the hell he is.

And just leaves his creepy lap dog.

Err.

Nark.

Err.

Wellness guru.

Behind in his stead to make everybody uncomfortable.

No wonder Max wants out.

And he absolutely should.

Anybody who wants to win should be running away from this slab of bacon and his wellness coordinator.

I'm telling you this dude.

This dude's got the best job ever.

Think about it.

Best job ever.

He only has to show up four or five times a year.

He has almost total autonomy and power.

He can say and do whatever the hell he wants from wherever the hell he wants.

All while having his rats and moles report to him.

He runs an NFL franchise remotely.

Hell.

Best job ever.

But he's doing the worst job ever.

Man, that is good work if you can get it.

That's him talking about Alex Guerrero.

Is Tom Brady taking too much heat here?

I don't know.

I think you benefit from being the goat with your rings on your finger as a player.

I think people give you a lot of wiggle room now on your next life.

I mean, I don't know any other person that could have pulled that off.

Whether it's legal, legality wise or whatever that can call games.

Run a franchise.

That was supposedly couldn't do it a couple years ago.

You couldn't even own a franchise or even part ownership and call a game for a network.

He's doing both of those things.

Now he's in the flag football thing.

He's got a beef with Logan Paul and the Paul brother.

Like he's becoming a full on COE content over everything.

That's truly what he's become with everyone's becoming.

The money is astronomical out here.

The rampage Jackson's who makes two million dollars a month right now streaming.

He didn't make that much fighting his entire career.

He made $20 million last six months streaming content.

I think we're making football.

It's a true commercialized video game, man.

We're making this such.

There's a reason you're playing flag football, Jason.

There really is.

There's a reason why you're doing all these other things.

You're feminizing the game.

You're bringing women around.

Why?

That's what the future is football.

You're going to see a feminine product out here.

I'm just telling you right now.

Why do you think the center for the Bears just wanted to leave?

Maybe a guy with nails has his hands on his butt too much.

I don't know.

Then DJ More Left.

DJ More Left yesterday, Jason.

The wide out there.

I was going to get to that.

I was going to get to that.

But hold for one second about Brady.

I think his flag football thing.

Isn't that backed by people out of Saudi Arabia?

Same people that does live in the boxing.

He's got $37 million from Fox for calling games.

How much?

How much of solidities are paying him?

How much did you say?

$37.5 million per year from Fox.

Oh, $350 million deal.

Yeah.

$37.5, I think, is what his average per year is.

No telling what the solidities have given him.

This blowback he's taking and sending Alice Guerrero to be his eyes and ears.

It's like the tide is.

It's going to be a little bit of open season.

When I see someone.

Jim Rome, I guess, has been doing this for a couple of two or three years going after Brady.

Maybe three or four years.

He calls him the slab of bacon deals.

He calls him Kevin Bacon.

It's something some kind of deal.

But.

Yeah, I think it's kind of open season on Tom Brady and people are going to think like he's going to be.

The same type of owner that Michael Jordan was in the NBA for so long.

A failed one who finally gave up and and somehow now.

Jordan is winning all these NASCAR races.

But.

Tom Brady.

It's legal to say whatever you want about him, I guess, at this point.

And Max Crosby has apparently no respect for him that which kind of surprises me.

Yeah.

I know Max well, man.

I'm going to be very interested to see what happens here.

I think he ends up a cowboy.

Especially after Jerry Jones is re-structured.

Dax contract similar to what my homes and the chiefs did.

I think that Jerry Jones coming out saying I'm going to make a splash on defense this year.

I think there's some things in the works already.

I think Max ends up being a cowboy.

I think the Raiders blow this thing up personally.

And if Max goes before the draft, I expect Fernando to be shopped with the number one pick

because you don't get rid of Max Crosby and then get a rookie quarterback to come in on an even less talented roster

than you already have, you go get those assets for that number one as well.

Why not?

Why wouldn't you?

Why wouldn't you build a new slab of concrete, Jason?

Like you have to.

Well, hold on.

Hold on.

If I'm the Raiders and I get rid of Max Crosby, I would want the, it's been trophy winner there

to sell tickets.

I could see Fernando Mendoza and his people saying we don't want to come to Las Vegas.

Don't draft us.

I could see.

Who's he's going to?

Who's blocking for him?

I could see him not wanting to go there, but why wouldn't the Raiders wanting?

Well, my point is why would you not, why would you not want to get the assets for him?

How many picks can you get for the number one and then included a player and probably two number ones

for Max Crosby on top of it?

Think about what you could possibly get here in the matter of the first, first hour of the draft.

You can have a completely new roster and turn this thing over just like the Patriots did.

There's a recipe out there.

I expect Harbour and the Giants to do the same thing this year.

They're going to be right there in the mix this year on the NSE.

Mark my words, the Giants.

You can do it, but you're going to have to make a splash.

And I can very easily see and don't, don't, don't, don't for one second think that how he rosemains

not taking phone calls right now either.

And I heard a very interesting dark story, a dark horse story about Max Crosby and where he could end up.

You just predicted the Cowboys.

Now you're seeing there's another option.

Well, it's a dark, it's a dark, it's a dark horse.

I would predict if I was a Betty man I'm taking the Cowboys, but there's a dark horse in this thing that's doing some crazy things

behind the works.

Try to get it.

The Rams.

So, the Rams are going to try to get maxed.

They made a huge deal yesterday with the Chiefs to show that second area.

They've become Vegas odds on favors to win it now over the Seahawks repeating.

Go get Max.

Watch out.

If you were the Chiefs speaking of the Trent McBuffee trade to the Rams, they got the ninth pick and now they got the 29th pick.

Could you see the Chiefs maybe having an interest in that number one pick so they can take Jeremiah Love?

The Chiefs need a back.

They need a back.

They can't.

Andy Reid's done it by committee for a long time.

When Pacheco didn't pan out after that Super Bowl and then when Haleer or Haleer or whatever from LSU came in and was a bus,

basically, of Uber talented.

Skatback.

He was a bus.

Now you've seen them use what?

Old Kareem Hunt.

Go back to older guys.

They have to get a stable in there.

A stable, a foundational running back that's going to be there five years.

Andy won't be there past five years but they got to get a running back that at least gives them some big time quality, you know, downs.

I don't know if they want to go rookie.

I don't think it did the Haleer thing and I think it bit Andy in the bud.

I don't think he's going to do that again.

I don't think he'll go get rookie.

I can see the Chiefs making some other moves though.

And the Rams going back to that trade.

Remember the Rams though has a Falcon 13 pick.

This first round.

The Rams and Sneed, man, I'm telling you.

If he's not a top two GM in football, I don't know who is.

But the Rams got a lot of things.

The Chiefs have to make some moves.

They got rid of the right tackle, Joanne.

You restructure them at home.

You just made a huge with a young great secondary player.

I mean top five secondary guys in my opinion in football.

The Chiefs are doing something big in my opinion.

I think Andy Reed is sour chasing his mouth from not making the playoffs.

And he has something to prove on his way out the door.

I think the Chiefs are going to make a lot of moves here this off season.

I wouldn't be shocked if you saw some trade ups and some assets being shopped around.

And I think it's going to be the wild, wild west here in the next two weeks prior to the draft.

In April.

I think Jeremiah Love based off the combine based off what we saw at Notre Dame.

I think he's worthy of someone going up to get him at one, two, or three.

I don't think he's the typical rookie running back.

I think the Chiefs are going to go after, if it happens, Trent Williams.

If Trent Williams becomes a free agent, which is looking like.

49ers.

Tell me Jason right now.

And I've heard this from NFL people.

You can't tell me that Trent Williams is not going to still be a top three touted free agent at 40.

He is.

He will be.

And I think the Chiefs will go after a tackle now because you have to show up the whole line.

They saw the Raiders draft genty early last year.

My old line is not very good.

I'm wasting that pick.

Let's just be straight up on this here.

It's not like a quarterback or so.

I need to running back to be drafted to my team and pretty much be able to plug and play him.

I can't plug and play out genty in Vegas with no old line.

The Chip Kelly disaster and all that thing.

We talk about all day.

But the old line is number one.

The Chiefs got to show up some things up front now.

Like we saw them play last year.

There's some teams that have to do it.

I would expect the Texans to go after Trent Williams.

Number one A.

And I would expect Chiefs to go after him to be if they do get rid of him in Frisco.

And don't be surprised.

The Frisco flips this whole thing upside down either because CMC's on his last legs.

And you can't continue to pay a guy that's always injured and getting older either.

So they're in the shot.

They're going to be in the hunt for running back as well.

What finally DJ Moore.

Bill's acquire him.

You think is this significant.

Yeah, because here the thing is it's not like.

It's not like he was, you know, he got there the year before Caleb Williams.

Justin feels last year.

And he made some great plays and he started.

It was a big factor there.

You get Caleb Williams there.

And guess who wants to leave the next year.

Keenan Allen.

And he's on record.

Man, I'm so happy to be back.

Will you Justin Herbert?

I can't wait to get out of there and blah, blah, blah.

Now the center resigns at 27.

It's been four years in Atlanta, by the way, and was fine.

All records indicate he was loving football.

One year for the Bears and retires.

I'm telling you when they smoke this fire, Jason, you could stack up a bunch of these chips right here.

And eventually what?

Something's going to tell you that I, man, enough books stack up.

There's a trend here.

I'm telling you right now.

I don't think people want to play with them.

I don't think people want to play for the guy.

At all.

Caleb Williams.

Oh, yes.

Caleb Williams.

Who do you think?

Ben Johnson?

No.

Caleb Williams.

Nobody wants to play with a finger now, Peyton Guy.

William, again, has said it best.

Personally, none of us would have wanted to play with him in our own locker room.

A little less loose to him on the other team.

No way.

I'm telling you right now.

Who wants to play with this guy?

Seriously.

You?

You want to play with them out for me?

No.

Look, man, these young guys don't care.

They're not that young.

That's the thing.

But remember, they're older than this guy.

Like, this is, there's two different generations going on, even though they're actually

different.

I wish I could, off the top.

Remember we played that clip, Luke, of everybody responding to Caleb Williams in the locker room,

positively.

They won that playoff game.

Yeah.

Let's see if we can dig that up.

Caleb Williams, at the end of the year, they won the late season game.

Did they win a playoff game?

Yeah.

Yeah, they're celebrating in a locker room, and Caleb Williams gives a speech.

A big green Bay.

Yeah.

Caleb Williams gives a speech, and they're hanging on his every word.

I hear you, JB, and I was right there with you.

I'm not a Caleb Williams guy, but it worked because Ben Johnson is actually running that locker

room, and he's running it effectively, and he's trying to man up Caleb Williams.

I think it worked.

Let me play this clip.

Yeah, let's refresh everyone's memory.

Tell you what, man.

Fourth and 10.

Fourth and 10.

I don't think either one of his feet was on the ground when he threw this ball.

It's too straight.

Let's go!

I said last night, you make your money in the regular season, but in the post season,

the legacy, your name, everything, and so that's us.

That's us.

It's not me.

I'm not, you know, obviously, you know, game ball or whatever.

That's us.

Us.

I want to keep going.

We have to get better.

All right.

We have to start.

We have to be in the details.

We have to execute.

Pin all of that to be able to get where we want to go.

And I want to be here.

I want to, you know, I want to do this with you all.

Yes, sir.

So it starts tomorrow.

It starts the next day.

Yeah.

We're starting.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Lisa, JB, it looks like these guys are on board.

Really?

Matt, that only lasts for how long?

A minute.

How long does that last season?

Those guys forgot about that, right?

When you saw the nails holding the ball.

It's hard to watch that.

I'm just telling you right now.

That's hard to watch.

Maybe I'm too masculine and old school, I don't know.

I couldn't watch it.

Here's the thing.

thing. How long is that going to last for? You know why they won? They got an offensive

minded guy who ran the football, who was second leading rushing football team in football

last year behind the bills. And their defense played top 10 for the most part of the year

until the end there. They kind of fell off in the secondary. Their defense and their

online improved tremendously in the off season with the additions to the tackle spots.

And they were a much better roster similar to what Washington did from two years ago to

last year making it to the Eastern Conference or to play in the Philly, the Eagles before

they lost. And then this year they fell off, right? Watch the Bears next year. It's the

Washington commanders of this year. JB, I got to let you go. I got to get the heat

evidence. Great job as always. You got us off to a great start. Hey, a snowser. Huh?

snowser? Does it snow here? Got ice there. You said the ice finally melted. Oh, no,

that was like a month ago. Oh, yeah, we don't we don't know what that is. I don't know what

that is. So it's been 85 degrees here all year. So let's see the 70s out here. Anyway,

you were listening to talk about my walk and all that. Anyway, JB, thank you so much.

Great job. You got our Friday off to a good start. We'll get to heat evidence here in

a second. First time we're going to have heat on the show. I'm excited about it. He's got

an incredible story. He's played for some of the greatest coaches in all of football.

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Heat evidence. Back.

Welcome back as promised.

Keith Evans, 10-year NFL veteran, a Super Bowl champion, joining us now.

We're going to have a fascinating conversation I want to get into with Heath.

He put out a tweet talking about how Bill Bullichet and Tom Brady, when Heath was a member

of the New England Patriots, modeled biblical behavior and maybe didn't even know that they

were modeling biblical behavior.

But Heath, before I get into your tweet, I was reading or remember like, man, Heath Evans

got a Super Bowl and I was just assuming he played four years with the New England Patriots.

And your Super Bowl isn't with the New England Patriots.

You have to be the only person to ever play four years with New England under the Bill

Bullichet era with Tom Brady to not win a Super Bowl.

How did you manage that?

Well we managed 18-1 on this blimbish director, and I can tell you that.

That was a bitter ending to an otherwise awesome year.

Yeah, I was in kind of like this four-year span where this dynasty and kind of, when I got

there at 05, they had just won their third ring in four years.

And then we kind of go to the division around and then we go to the AFC championship round

and lose.

And then we go to the Super Bowl and lose.

And then my last year there, Brady goes down week one ACL versus the Chiefs.

I was at that castle pops in.

We win 11 games, almost make the playoffs, put the jets or punks and we're scared of us.

So, you know, there are a lot of good stories there.

Yeah, I was there, Bernard Pollard.

We thought, holy cow, he's going to end one of the greatest careers ever in football.

But Tom Brady came back even bigger and better.

But you win a Super Bowl with the New Orleans Saints.

Was that against the Colts, I believe?

Down in Miami, yeah, another, listen, Jason, another bitter sweet year.

So I get midseason all pro and then I blow out my knee where I'm in the middle of the

best year of my career.

We're like top passing team, top rushing team in the league doing stuff on offense.

It's never been done.

Our defense is getting us two or three turnovers in game and then to watch my boys went

at the sweet and to watch New Orleans celebrate the a win that city so disasterously deserved

was awesome.

But that bitter sweet tear in my heart of not getting to play, but getting to be a part

as a as a competitor, you put on that ring and it kind of doesn't fully feel like yours.

But Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis, Drupes, Villama, the crew, what a sweet sweet awesome team

in an awesome year.

So yeah, I want to get to your tweet here, but you play with Drew breeze and with Tom Brady.

Is anything that's remarkably similar about them and anything that's remarkably different

about them here?

They're both dogs and when I say I have developed a term by being around them that now I challenge

my men that I coach, young athletes that I coach about mental monster, to be able

to take yourself mentally to a place where, A, you're not distracted, B, you don't feel

pain, C, you're never thinking about yourself.

You're always putting the team first, you're always thinking about what is best, not only

for this offense, but what's best for our defense that maybe suck and win right now and

what's best for maybe our special teams that show their ability to kind of compartmentalize

this crazy chaotic game of the NFL world for 60 minutes every Sunday night or Monday night

was like no other.

Their brilliance at the line of scrimmage and a matter of mere seconds to be able to process

hundreds of different things, communicate their thinking, get us all in order, all in line

and then go out and dominate week after week after week, they are nearly identical.

We had a little bit more of, hey, I'm going to grab you by the throat and then I'm going

to pat you on the butt.

You messed up around Brady, you're going to get a little scared real quick because you

know he's going to jump you, but you also, when you come to know him, you know that that

massive encouragement, hey, follow me is coming and then there is this kind of life breathed

into you.

Drew was always the massive encourager, kind of without the chokehold and kind of

two different ways to lead men, which one is more effective?

I don't know, you could argue with Super Bowl rings, I wouldn't do that.

Both men, I always say you've got Peyton Manning in the middle, but Brady is the best, it's

not even close and then you can kind of argue without whether it's Peyton or Drew.

Obviously I'm going to side with Drew and I'm biased and I admit that, but those three men

were mental monsters that really changed the game forever and it's really in a lot of

ways what our NFL world is lacking now.

It's become a lazy man's mental game and the product that we see every Sunday is not

what it once was.

Unpack that a little bit.

We have a system that's creating lazy people, rules that benefit the offense, not going

to whine or complain about, right?

If Peyton and Drew and Tommy would have started 10 years later, their current records that

I all hold would pale in comparison to what they would do now.

The mental kind of anguish that a quarterback is under, which is called at 60 minutes,

but it's three hours and it's a mental barrage of what blitz is coming and what coverage

and what defensive front and what's my down and distant situation and what's my spacing

of my D line, all these mental cues that they're just gathering information.

They studied like they were heart surgeons that had a man's life in their hand and that

yes, it's only a football game and I'm never going to be dumb enough to use some warm analogy,

but these men cared about turning over every stone so that their team could thrive.

I saw time out and time again, Brady and Breeze have a pass play in hand that could have

gotten them another eight or 10 yards passing to add to their stat sheet for the day.

And yet what was best for the team was to come check us into a run, to get us into a different

down and distant situation that would either protect our defense or kind of put our further

our whole game plan intact.

And it was just a beautiful thing, but you have to be brilliant to do that.

And you have to sacrifice Monday to Saturday like a lot to be mentally prepared with your

coaches, with your teammates, with the wide receiving core, with the O line to get protections

down to make sure your tight ins are involved right, your running backs are involved right,

is everyone on the same page to go out and be this beast of a team that can be any other

team in any down and distance.

Any situational football that we're throwing our way, are we prepared for it?

And those three mental monsters, there's never been quarterbacks like those.

And there's plenty of brilliant guys in the league if we're willing to pay the price.

And to sacrifice for the betterment of their team, and maybe they don't have all have

the brilliance of coaches around them like we did in New England and New Orleans.

I mean, you're not going to find more gifted play callers than Sean Payton.

I think he's the best that's ever done.

Little Bell Check, the goat speaks for himself.

And listen, Payton's coaches weren't no slacks either.

So, but you just don't have men that are willing to lay it on the line mentally and emotionally,

Monday through Saturday, to be prepared to dominate and help your team thrive and really

flourish on a Sunday.

And that information's available to players.

You just don't see the mental accuracy show up on a Sunday afternoon like you did with

those three beasts.

Before I get fully into your tweet that why I wanted to connect with you, you started

to tweet out with something powerful.

I played for Nick Sabin, Bill Bell Check, and Sean Payton, holy cow.

How are they alike and are there things that are differences between the three?

Yeah, the H word I'm getting ready to throw out will probably shock people.

All three of them were very humble all in the same way, all in the same way.

I was blown away when Sean Payton came to recruit me away from New England.

I felt like Judas betraying Jesus.

Bill had resurrected my career four years in Seattle and in my combing another very gifted

play caller.

Awesome head coach in a lot of ways, but a lot of what I've learned about leadership

now and what I help men not do is what I learned from my combing and not to do around a whole

bunch of alpha males and around just being consistently inconsistent in all the right

ways.

I'm not Sean Alexander.

I'm not John Randall.

I'm not Sean Springs.

I shouldn't be treated like those guys.

They have earned more trust.

They've earned more respect.

But in a real world scenario, those beasts of players should be held to a higher standard

of excellence, both mentally, emotionally, and physically, than lowly heath Evans on

the roster.

Where in Seattle, it was flipped.

Oh, don't coach the superstars.

Let him get away with murder.

The guys like me that are always going to be a yes or god because I was raised by a marine

and an awesome mom.

Oh, let's just beat them to death and never encourage him.

When I got with Nick Saban in Miami for a brief cup of coffee, I started it six full back

for him.

Six games in 05.

When he first got to Miami, you saw a general in command of a ship.

You saw him take the Jason Taylor's and the Zach Thomas's and the other seasoned superstars

and studs and coach them and drive them.

It was different and unique.

Obviously, it didn't end well for me there.

But by God's grace, Nick Saban cutting me, got me to Bill Belichick.

Where Bill Belichick just gave me my neat little box that made me the best full back in

lead for probably the last six years of my career.

And so the humility factor for Bill always to be seeking answers, always trying to get

kind of one up.

Nick Saban, you listen to the way that he praises other coaches and the way that he has drawn

little truths from here and truths from Belichick and the way that they're always learning.

Sean Payton came and says, hey, listen, we don't have what New England has.

We want what they have.

We think we've got the quarterback.

We've got an opportunistic defense.

I know we were seven and nine last year, but come watch the tape with me.

We watched a hit.

We lost six games by three points or less.

Heath were close.

We need a few more veteran leaders that are going to be selfless and going to be team honoring

like you.

So, and we need your help, all this good stuff in New England.

We need help copying this stuff to kind of add in the missing pieces so that we can go

in a Super Bowl.

And lo and behold, 2009, we go in a Super Bowl.

You know, he brings in myself and four or five other kind of veteran-laden, selfless

guys that blended in with Jonathan Velma and blended in with Drew Breaves.

And then that team went and created a Super Bowl run that was sweet.

At least 13 or no, we get a little beat up.

So Sean Payton rest all the stars that needed to be rested down the stretch and then we

turn the gas on in the playoffs and the rest was history.

But those three men were very humble where it matters, always asking for help and always

seeking out wise counsel, even from some people that aren't as wise as them, but might

be wiser in one area.

And so the humility factor was a huge part.

Bill controls his emotions like no man have ever been around.

There's never this angst in his mind.

As a dad, my kids are instant BS detectors.

They just know, can't fool our kids, grown men are the same way with their coaches.

When a coach feels fear, when a coach feels anxiety, when a coach, what's they all do?

But handling that well, in leading your team, kind of riding the ship through these nasty

storms of an NFL season matter.

When Brady went down, that dude didn't blink.

That Monday morning, it almost felt catalyst for a player of the power and persuasion that

Brady was.

He had given Mr. Craft his work, I'm going to do what's best for this team.

And what's best for the team wasn't praising Brady and, oh, what are we going to do now?

And trying to honor this great legend that we've lost for the season, but now we're

going to go to Matt Castle, it was like, no, here's what we're going to do.

There was a plan in place, pieces changed very quickly.

My role in the team kind of got shrunk down to nothing.

I went from playing one special team to playing four, and he asked a whole bunch of guys

to do different things, which would be best for the team.

And we went in 111 games with a quarterback that had never played college football.

And our defense carried us a lot.

We did a lot of different things, but that man didn't finish.

Sean Payton and Nick Savon are high, strong, emotional beast, and I love him.

And I've got so much respect for both of them.

They do things a little different, right?

They are going to unravel intentionally at times to get a point across, which I agree

with.

I work with my kids sometimes.

I want them to see a heightened level of when they're disrespectful to Mama or when they

lie to Mama, they're going to see daddy here, because this is a massive importance.

And those coaches knew when to kind of unleash it emotionally, but both those guys will also

lose their lid at time.

And it wasn't the best for the team in that moment.

I love me some Sean Payton.

He has been so kind to me.

I think he's come a long way.

What he's doing in Denver is sweet.

I miss Nick Savon on Saturdays.

And college football misses the disciplinarian, misses the teacher, misses the man that in

later years really grew to love his boys and to do what was best for them, like benching

them when it might cost him a game.

NCAA is a mess right now.

And they need to figure out a way to get Nick off of ESPN and back on the sidelines, leading

him in loving on you.

Let me take a minute here and read back to you words that you wrote over Twitter.

It's so good I'm going to read the whole thing.

And so it's going to take me a second.

And then we'll have the conversation about what Heath shared over Twitter a week, two

weeks ago.

So I played for Nick Savon, Bill Bell, checking Sean Payton.

I studied under some of the greatest coaching minds in history and professional football.

And after the Lord saved me, I realized something that changed everything.

Every single leadership principle that made those teams thrive is biblical.

They just did it for the glory of man, rather than the glory of God.

Here's what I mean, Bella checked taught us to do our jobs.

Scripture commands us to work as unto the Lord, not for the approval of men.

Colossians 3 and 23.

Bella checked held Tom Brady to a higher standard than anyone else.

Scripture says to whom much is given, much is required.

That's Luke 12 and 48.

Bella checked, cut the cancer immediately, no matter the cost.

Scripture tells us that a little leaven leavens the whole lump, Galatians 5 and 9.

Bella checked sacrifice personal credit and took responsibility for every loss.

Scripture calls leaders to be servants first, Matthew 20 and 26.

Brady sacrificed personal stats for the good of the team.

Scripture says do nothing out of selfish ambition, but in humility and consider others above

yourself.

Brady could encourage a teammate and confront him in the same breath.

Scripture says speak the truth in love.

These men did not know they were pulling from eternal biblical commands, but the principles

worked.

It always worked because truth is whether the man wielding it knows it, because truth

is truth whether the man wielding it knows it's source or not.

Now imagine this.

If these principles build a two-decade dynasty and professional football with men who did

not know the Lord, what would God do through his church if we humbled ourselves and followed

the same playbook?

Playbook.

What would happen in your marriage if you coached yourself harder than you coached

anyone else?

What would happen in your home if you cut the cancers of laziness, passivity, and selfishness?

What would happen if you're in your leadership if you stopped protecting your ego and started

serving your team?

The blueprint is not new.

The playbook has been written for 2,000 years.

The question is whether you are willing to run it.

I spent 10 years in the NFL and the best locker rooms I ever walked into operated on principles

that scripture laid out long before football existed.

Stop looking for a new framework, open the book, and do your job.

I would assume this thought, very powerful thought, and analogy, you're coaching, discipling

young men, and as a coach, you're just always thinking about the history of coaching.

Again, I talk about this all the time.

I'm actually writing a book about this.

I don't want to write the Young Men's Christian Association organized sports in the late 1800s.

There would be no organized sports without Christians.

It was a tool to disciple young men and to bring them closer to God.

Sports have been taken away from Christians, and it's now more far more secular, but the

great coaches, whether they know it or not, the great leaders, whether they know it or not,

all they're really doing is tapping into biblical principles.

What inspired you to write this?

Men's struggling.

I have a free group, while no one's ever going to charge youth Evans of charging for the

gospel.

We have a free group that I pour myself into every day.

I want to help men be spiritually healthy and physically fit.

But God has blessed me with a lot of wisdom and eight years ago through a debacle at NFL

network where I was a victim of wickedness and unrighteousness.

God saved my soul.

I thought I was a Christian at eight years old.

Turns out I was just really disciplined.

I was just raising a good home around good godly men and women.

I knew what to do, but my heart had never been changed by God.

I had never been born again.

Through a disastrous hard time of humbling this, just being humbled and seeing just really

the wickedness of the world for the first time in my life personally, the Lord just revealed

so much to me about my own wickedness, my own sinful heart.

He did a great work in me, so I was kind of quiet for a few years and I just grew in the

grace and knowledge of Christ, and then in God's kindness to me, I started thinking about

all of this leadership that I had been under.

When I was in NFL network and NFL on Fox, people always were amazed that it was Mike

Homegren, you know, Nick Sagan, Bill Belicechek and Sean Payton.

No one sat under the coaching pedigree that I've been under and what a blessing it was

because I learned so much.

As I started thinking about what works, it always went back to biblical truth and no one

did it better.

You know, people call it the Patriot way.

It's really the bill, the bill, the Belicechek way.

Just doing your job and speaking for yourself and working hard and being attentive and

these little things that feel so easy, they're exhausting when you do them well.

And at the core, these truths, build football teams, they save marriages, they make great

husbands and great fathers, they make great church goers, they make great business leaders,

they just cost you your life.

These truths that were taught by Christ who ultimately laid down his life for his people

so that they could be free from their sin debt, these truths are going to cost us the

same thing.

If I'm going to love Christy like Christ, it's not going to be easy, it's going to be

hard.

But that hard is joyful and that hard is peaceful and that hard is rewarding.

I tell men all the time in my one-on-one coaching, you know, we are solving multimillion dollar

problems.

The men that I get to coach are massively successful in their businesses.

But their marriages and homes are often followed apart and they want the keys to success so

they think.

But ultimately, they want the keys to eternal life and that's where I guide them.

So we take these truthful principles that will build a dynasty matter of fact, but we

unleash them on the man and that truth is going to cost that man his life.

But if by God's grace, he can walk in these truths and lay his life down with these truths,

his marriage will flourish, his family and his children will grow up to honor and respect

him.

And that man's life will be blessed and the cool part is there ain't no prosperity gospel

with me.

But when a man gets his life right and starts laying his life down with the truth of God's

Word, whatever success he's had in business, when his whole life is peaceful and there's

more good energy to bring to work, it's amazing how his leadership in the workplace

thrives.

People love him, respect him more.

So this business he built as a taskmaster with slaves under him, not leading them well,

right?

Then he becomes a servant-hearted leader and then this talented staff thrives and flourishes

more and more because he's actually leading like he was created to lead.

So we see it in our marriages, we see it in our children and this one was kind of specifically

to the church that if we would just as Christians, just beg God for mercy.

For power to obey and obey his truth, what might God do through his church?

What might our country look like if just professing Christians would walk in the ways of truth

that Christ possessed and preached us?

You started out saying that and I had forgotten and I apologize, it's nothing I apologize,

but I had forgotten that you had, you ran into some turbulence at the NFL network.

I remember the incident in 2017-18, I'm friends with a lot of those guys.

I think they got Marshall Fall, Warren Sapp, and so on.

But now a bunch of us, yeah.

But get my audience up to speed, there was a sexual harassment lawsuit, I believe the

woman's name was Jamie Cantor, but I think you always said, your position was like you

were caught up in something that you didn't have something to do with or to see.

The NFL came to me after paying me for nine months, keeping me quiet, trying to get me

to help them, which I thought they were helping us, trying to get me to sign non-despairagement

agreements covering the NFL and covering Jamie.

I wasn't admitting any guilt, but they weren't going to put me back on the air and they were

going to pay out my contract and they were trying to get me to negotiate some type of settlement

with their slippery verbiage with my lawyer.

And at the time, I just told them to screw themselves and put me back on air because you

know I'm innocent.

And they always promised that, hey, we're going to do this independent investigation and

then we'll release our findings.

Well, they wouldn't release those findings, and I begged them to, because they knew

I was innocent.

From the moment I got called into HR, I don't know about anything else, so I'm not going

to speak about any other minute because I don't know.

But the moment I got called into HR, I handed them over my cell phone.

I showed them texts from four weeks previously of Jamie asking me to train her, her telling

me she loves me, telling Eva and Naomi my two oldest kids that she misses them and loves

them.

She had babysitted them.

We were friends.

Right after my divorce, we had one mutual, her first me follow-up picture exchange, right?

There was never any physical touching.

It was an adult.

I don't even know what all the terminology is legally, but it was two willing participants,

right?

Nothing ever happened with us.

Two something years go by, maybe even closer to three.

We've been friends, everything's been fine.

She gets fired.

She tries to sue the NFL.

Her court case gets tossed out a court for no merit.

And then nine, ten months later, when the Me Too movement rises up, she files the same

lawsuit with all of our names attached to it.

And because of the political timing, right?

The courts didn't throw it out and then it gets hurt.

So from day one, the NFL's PR or HR team was like, we see what's going on.

Can we have those texts and these pictures that you have?

Then I gave them my laptop.

I made rookie mistakes.

I had never been in legal trouble.

So I handed them over all this stuff, right, that proves I'm innocent, right?

Well, then they flip it and use it against me.

What they fired me for, Jayne, was on my phone.

That was the NFL network phone that I was kind of aware of, but didn't even ever think

that they'd give me a phone was fitness pictures of myself.

I had.

So when I handed over my phone, right, I'm a big fitness buff guy.

So I have naked pictures front and back, non-sexual.

They said, I'm like, how are you going to fire me?

Y'all know I'm innocent.

I'm going to sue y'all's butts off.

Oh, well, you had pictures of yourself on your, on the NFL network phone.

And if that would have ever gotten into other hands, that would have disparaged the

league yadda yadda yadda yadda.

Long story short, through this evil wicked nonsense.

I was living in sin at the time.

I was not walking with the Lord.

I thought it was a Christian just kind of walked away from the Lord, whatever.

That was not the case.

Through all of this hardship, the Lord saved my soul.

And I wouldn't change a thing.

I prayed for the people at NFL frequently.

I have an NFL network cup on my desk.

Reminds me to pray for the people that were unjust and unrighteous and wicked against

me.

And it reminds me that I've been unjust to people.

And I've been wicked to people.

And I have a lie to get people.

And I've slandered people.

And so I have no place before a holy god to judge anyone.

But I do pray that God will bring them into faith and repentance, that he would save

them.

Because those sins are violent wicked.

In the unjust, God will take up their case and he will handle it one day in eternity.

I don't want God's judgment for any man, not my worst enemy.

It was a purposely hard season of life.

And I'm grateful for it.

It has molded me and shaped me.

And I had an opportunity with Cosby and still-owns lawyer kind of felt pity on me.

He took up my case right after the incident.

And the Lord just began to speak to me very clearly through his word and just said, hey,

are you going to sue these people and try to walk away with your $15, $20 million?

Or are you going to trust me to rebuild you?

Are you going to do what you've always done and kick down doors?

Or are you going to trust me to save you?

Trust me to rebuild what's been torn away.

And so I dropped the lawsuit.

I sent the NFL an apology note for some of the things I said online that were disrespectful

for my employee.

And when I'm away, and the Lord's been faithful and kind of this brook.

And now I spend my days boasting in Jesus and not talking football.

That I'm sorry for cracking a joke here, but I got to do it.

It's my personal.

Correct.

It's my personal time.

Your story there was just a blessing to me.

Because now I realize the blessing of not being a fitness freak.

Because there are no naked pictures of me in my phone.

I would not do that to myself or anybody that might have to use my phone.

I just wouldn't put them through that.

So you've blessed me on a more serious note because I'm telling you your tweet and your

transparency and your repentance and how you're doing it public.

It's all important for men because that's what this whole show and what I try to do every

day is tell people like, man, I used to do some really retarded things.

I used to be involved in retarded activity that dishonored myself.

Certainly displeased God.

And guys, don't be ashamed of that.

God wants you to come as you are.

He'll fix it up for you.

And so I loved it.

I mean, there's great synergy here between you and I because, you know, I went through

similar embarrassing things where people were unjust to me.

But it made me realize, man, you better get right with Jesus Christ or you will not survive.

Because sometimes people, even we're sinful and all that other stuff, but other people

can see the good in you.

They can see that like, no, he's having, there's Jesus in him.

He doesn't fully realize it yet.

And he's got this great testimony that he doesn't realize yet, but they can see it.

And so they try to destroy you before you ever get to your testimony.

And before you ever become a real asset for Jesus, thank the Lord.

You and I both got a chance to get there.

But here was, if I had, if you had called me, and I'm not saying you should, I'm just

saying hypothetically, if you had called me, hey, Jay, I'm thinking about putting up this

tweet.

What do you think?

The one thing I would have added to your idea or suggested to you was that the most biblical

thing about Brady and Belicechek is how Brady surrendered to Belicechek and that the

story of Jesus Christ is about surrendering to your father.

Jesus Christ had to trust God and he was going to go through some things, really excruciating

horrible things.

And he was like, he had, you know, he had the, he had doubts.

He had questions.

He was a tiny bit, maybe afraid, but he trusted in his father so much.

He went through all of that.

He fully submitted.

And when I look at Belicech and Brady, Brady's willingness to submit completely to Bill

Belicechek created the greatest football dynasty ever.

When I look at kids today, I look at the athletes today, none of them, or too many, none

of them, none is strong, but they don't want a surrender.

They don't understand the power of, hey, your coach may not be perfect, but he's your

coach, you're better off surrendering to a flawed coach than trying to coach yourself.

The Bible is a story about surrendering and we just saw the greatest example, the greatest

football dynasty ever created was a 20 year process of Brady surrendering.

And maybe the last 10 years, he didn't want a surrender, but he still stayed surrendered.

And it worked.

That is the message that young athletes need to hear.

I didn't hear it when I was a kid, when I played football at Ball State, I didn't want

a surrender.

It was rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel.

These white men rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel.

Yeah, I said a surrender.

Jay, the crazy thing is, is so in my leadership program for my business owners and the men

that I work with, we have a week that's called submission to the mission, and it is all

about that.

The problem is this submit word is truly probably the most, if we understood its power, it's

the most beautiful word, probably in the English language in a lot of ways.

But men like us have been taken advantage of by other people, and so every time we think

about taking the Christ like lowly and humble position, this sin nature or just even kind

of past war wounds is like, yeah, but last time I submitted it, I got stomped on, or

they slip my throat, or whatever that thought is, right?

The crazy thing is about bitterness or resentment that keeps us from submitting.

Those sins only hurt us.

They don't hurt the people that hurt us.

So when we do that bitterness or anger or resentment, it's like an acid that eats its

own container.

We're literally just crushing us even more by not being obedient to what the Lord has

told us to do.

My wife tells people, other women all the time, that anything with two heads is a freak.

Heath is the head of our home, and he makes it easy to submit to.

But the funny thing is, the only time she has a hard time submitting is when she disagrees

with me.

But the Lord has given her an opportunity, hey, this is how we practice humbling ourselves.

And if it goes wrong before God, he's going to stand and give account before God.

He's the leader of this home, not me.

And so these beautiful truths of God's Word, they're sacrificial.

And we do.

We need to submit to authority.

Ultimately to the final authority, which is Jesus Christ, period the end.

And so we can submit to Christ by me submitting to my local pastors.

I'm older than all of my pastors, and I'm with one or two or three every single week trying

to become a wiser man for the benefit of Christ, for the betterment of my wife, my children,

the men I serve, and our local church.

And yet they're all older.

There's all the younger, all the worldly standards who say, no, no, you don't need to be

submit to them.

But that's where the peace and power is found.

We get around wise counsel, and we submit to it, even when it's painful.

That's where the joys of life are really found, because they lead to all this beautiful

fruit that the scripture promises.

But yeah, you hit the nail on the head with the bell check rating.

It was a sweet thing to watch in person, challenging days, as we all have, but you're dead

right about that submission word and just submitting to authority.

That's where the power is at.

And I want to give you an opportunity just to butcher your point.

You said it clearly, but I wanted to make it so that even a baby can understand it.

If you, men we sit around and talk all the time about, man, we wish our wife, girlfriend

would submit to us.

And the only way to get her to truly submit to you is by you submitting to him.

If she sees you submitted to Jesus, she's far more likely to submit to you.

If you've made yourself your own little God, she's going to make herself her own little

God.

But if she sees you submitted, submission won't be a curse word to her, because she's

like, well, he's doing it too.

We are the leaders.

It's God's order by design, anyone that knows heath and Chrissy Evans.

She's smarter, she's brilliant, she's better, she's the CEO of Isara, she runs built ready

for me.

She is the glue that holds everything together.

It's not about capabilities.

It's not about her ability to do anything better than me or not as good as me.

It's just God's order.

And there is a beauty when men in a truly flawed way seek Christ and lovingly lead their

wives.

It sets the example.

It makes it a bit easier for her.

Well, he is submitting to Christ.

He is submitting to the local faithful pastors, not many of the pastors that we have now

that are not even qualified to be called pastors.

Chrissy then can see, hey, heath isn't perfect and he doesn't expect me to be perfect.

And I can lead her gently because she sees me doing these things that have been commanded.

But our kids catch winded this.

We're setting the example for the next generation by God's grace, my four youngest, they've never

heard me yell at their mom.

They've never heard me, are you with their mom?

They've never heard me say one disrespectful word to their mom.

And that is by the power of the gospel in this boy's life.

Because I mean, and I used to love being on an interfilm network trying to be little

people with all my skill sets to jab and talk about football and all those things, but

God has changed my heart to where I look at that woman.

I see her as mine.

We are one.

And what I do to her, I'm doing to myself.

And so these benefits of submitting to the Word of the Lord and coming to know Christ

through Christ's words, not our pastors, not through social media and everything else,

but what does the Word of the Lord say?

And then men fall in line, my daily content, trying to get men to read God's Word, pray

God's Word and obey God's Word.

You want to find peace and true success.

That's how we do it.

Those three things.

It is the simple, boring recipe to success in life.

And I want to lead well because of what Christ has done for me.

I was the enemy of God running from him and all my sexual immorality out in L.A.

living the so-called dream I was miserable.

And God brought calamity as he did with David and many others in scriptures to put in effect

the rescue mission that saved my soul.

And so yes, wicked men were at play, just like on the cross of Christ.

Acts 223 says it was the indefinite, the eternal infinite plan of God to crush his

son, for me and guys like you, Jason, but it was done by the hands of evil wicked men.

God's sovereignty, full control of human history, man's responsibility, wicked men have

come against me and come against you, but God was in control the whole time.

I don't know how those two things run hand in hand, but when we look at the life of Christ,

who am I to hold a grudge or disobey this great Savior who when I was running from him

and a hater of him blind and dead, my sins came after me and saved my soul.

That's the joy that loves to love my wife.

That's the joy that loves to submit to God's word because this God man loved me when I

was at my worst and knew everything that I was ever going to do, blaspheming him and

yet he died for me.

That's the power that makes me want to obey.

That's the love of Christ that he put in me.

I'm no better, no smarter, no smarter than someone else to understand the words of Scripture

of better.

I wasn't more disciplined to turn my life over to Christ, no Christ saved me.

The good shepherd came after me and drug me out of the pit of sin I was in, saved my

soul, he changed my heart and he has filled me with the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

And this is what we do and that's why I submit to the Lord.

I'm no better.

I'm just full of grace and God's mercy.

He's, this was phenomenal.

I will be angry if you don't return my calls when I ask you to come on the show again

or when I just call for advice, I'll be angry.

Thank you for making the time.

This was powerful and I want to do it again and again and again and we got to figure

out a way to do that.

Thank you so much, Eve.

Hey, thank you for having me.

My phone's always on.

I'll put you on my favorite.

So you even ring through my alarm zone, you know, I mean, so perfect.

God bless you.

Thank you, Heath Evans.

I got a final fault on this, just man.

That was a great conversation.

I want to make a point just to any of you young guys out there or even old guys out there

like me that as I was just sitting there thinking about just submitting and it applies to

your personal life, but it also applies to your professional life that, you know, I've

been, my career has been bumpy in terms of, you know, me and my bosses have never really

gotten along.

That's throughout my entire career and I'm not saying this.

I'm just saying this, this is because it's reality.

I've told these guys this personally that, you know, me going into business with Gaston

Mooney and Tyler Cardin here at the Blaze has been my greatest work experience and it's

because these guys have revealed themselves over the course of five years now like they're

truly Christians, honorable Christians.

And so that has created a relationship and a bond that I've never had in a work situation

or in a business situation, anybody I've been partnered with or anybody that I've

had to work underneath to, because it's fascinated me that, you know, I'm able to have passionate

disagreements and move on from them and not destroy a relationship or feel like, hey, man,

this is a bridge too far and I got to get out of here and it's because these guys are

such legitimate Christians that if I feel like something wrong has happened, I'm able

to easily forgive because I know we're serving the same God.

And so, and these guys are young, you know, they got to be 10 or no, 15, around 15 years

younger than me.

And to think that my best business situation would be with two guys, 15 years younger than

me, where I'm perhaps wiser than them, but it's easy for me to reach a compromise, it's

the easier for me to say, I got to, they win that one, he wins that one and just let

things go and it's, it's, you know, submission and or working with people all becomes a lot

easier if there's the shared biblical values.

So anyway, that was an amazing conversation.

We got to get Heath Evans back on this show or in rotation in this show.

Wow, that's an amazing conversation.

Thank you guys for watching today.

We'll see you next time on Fearless.