Ep 1151: Live Show 2/28 - John Evans Still Shines on His Way to HOF

Welcome to the 5 and this encore presentation of the Utah Golf Radio live show that aired

previously on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network flagship station ESPN 700 in Salt Lake City.

I am your host Paul Pugmeyer.

In this show, we celebrate and recount the remarkable career of Utah PGA Hall of Fame

inductee John Evans.

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Here's Paul Pugmeyer and Jen Brownstein.

Good morning.

We just started talking.

Utah Golf Radio.

Maybe kind of sort of working together.

We were talking about Jen.

We were sitting here talking a little Jen X, Jen.

Should we get started?

Let's get started.

Let's go to work.

Okay.

It's it is.

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Coming to you live today from T-Box, Sanerville, we are here with Jordan Bloxham and Mitchell

Cook.

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I don't know.

Because you want more.

I want more Mitchell Cook.

There's no question about that.

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And this is a pretty simple equation.

We are live streaming, of course, on YouTube.

Go to the Utah Golf Radio YouTube channel, where you can see we are here in the T-Box

executive office.

We're here using Preston X office because he's not up working early on a Saturday morning.

We are.

And so we are taking over his space.

But the cool thing about it, there are three really cool things about this place.

Number one, Jordan Bloxham is in it.

Number two, Mitchell Moore Cook is in it.

Number three, it's got that way cool T-Box logo over your shoulders, Jantz,

and it's visible on our live stream.

And on our hat.

And on our hat.

Yeah.

Product placement.

Yeah, three of us, Mitchell, are scoring our sporting T-Box hats.

I'm going to give you some grace here, though, because you've got a very cool T-Box hoodie.

Check it out.

Okay.

Okay.

My hat was a little sweaty for my work.

Thanks for not wearing it.

Yeah, thanks for not wearing it.

You wear a hat while you work out?

Always.

Why?

I don't want it from my eyes.

That's why I wear one.

It catches sweat.

We need to get you an official Richard Simmons headband.

Yes.

Then you put your hat over it.

He's about to headband.

Then you put the hat over the headband.

Then no one knows you're wearing the headband.

We can get you some Richard Simmons work out shorts too.

That's how you have them to go.

Did you bring clothes?

The fact that he knows who Richard Simmons is is a shock.

In the fitness industry.

Okay.

Okay.

You know, another guy your age wouldn't know who he is.

But because you are in the fitness industry, you do know that he was, you know, at one point,

I think the legend of fitness.

So I appreciate it.

So thank you for doing it.

Well, you would know that.

The OG goat was Jacqueline.

Jacqueline.

Now, do you know that name?

That goes past my time.

Okay.

Then there's the novel.

Jacqueline.

Yeah.

Then the novel.

Who's the novelist guy?

You're not talking, uh, uh, uh, uh, Chuck Norris.

Are you?

No, no, no.

Never mind.

I'll, I'll look into it.

Hold on.

I'll get into it.

All right.

That is the whole I did not expect to go down.

But you talk off radio bringing you Richard Simmons and Jacqueline.

Yeah.

Um, one.

We, uh, there are so many things going on at T box always.

Mitchell, we appreciate you coming in early.

We, we know.

We, uh, we're losing Jordan over here.

That's okay.

We appreciate you coming in early, um, because we want to talk about some of the,

the fitness stuff that you've been going on.

And we, of course, teed up a program that, that I was planning to do.

TMI disclosure here.

I've had some health challenges.

I need to take a break from this stuff until after I get some things done here in a couple of weeks mid March.

And then I'll be able to, to, to get back in.

Um, and that's a good or matter for everybody that health precedes performance.

You need to take care of your health first before you move into fitness and performance.

So, you know, I appreciate you saying that.

Um, I, I, I'm not interested in talking about my stupid stuff.

But also there, there's another element of this though in Mitchell in terms of the health.

And, and I read this frequently, but I think it gets glossed over sometimes.

And that is, if you're doing the, if you're following a fitness routine and working out,

and you feel something that is not right, listen to your body, right, react to it.

Tell, tell us more about that, please.

Yeah, it's, it's really important to know that what you do in the gym feels safe and empowering.

And, and good in your body.

So if something isn't doing that, that is when you need to connect with your fitness professional

or then your health professional to make sure that you're in a good place to keep making steps forward.

There's no, there's no point in risking injury.

Like the first rule is do no harm.

Mm hmm.

We don't want to risk injury.

We want to make sure we're focused on long term development, long term health, long term habits.

And if anything's getting your way of that, it's time to address that first.

And then we can move forward with, with some of the fun stuff.

Okay, speaking of fun stuff, I want to talk about Daniel summer haze.

When I was up here, well, wasn't when I was up here last a couple three times ago.

Anyway, when I was up here a few weeks ago.

And when, when I got through doing what I was doing, I was walking out and Daniel and Emily summer haze had come by.

And Daniel, now we've all known he's a freaking nature.

It's been a long time.

But watching him work out was inspiring.

He is a thick chested, thick shouldered, stout, body young man.

But stunningly limber.

He was doing shoulder movements that were unfathomable to me for a skinny guy.

Daniel is not that.

He's just about that you work with Daniel.

What do you see in this great athlete?

I see, I see a man who's dedicated to the core.

Like he knows what he has to do.

And he will do it every single week, every single day.

He's very disciplined on all portions of his professional life.

So he really realized coming off of his surgery that his fitness and his ability to walk multiple tournaments in a row and play at a high level was his top priority coming out of that.

He knew we had the skills of his swing.

No doubt.

His course management and all that.

But he wanted his body to make sure it could keep up with those other factors.

So we dove deep into not only making his body strong and fast and powerful, but also resilient and limber to be able to produce some of those forces and support him through those long tournaments.

It strikes me that the strength is genetic with Daniel.

He was born with this bowl like body.

Go Daniel.

Was his limber, was his flexibility, pardon me, natural?

Is that something you had to work on?

And how big of a priority was that coming off of his back surgery, which had potential to be either or both of career, ending or debilitating.

And this, this was not a slam dunk surgery to hear him talk about it.

And it's been, it was a hard lift for him to come back from it.

But you were involved in all this walking through that mobility was primary number one.

We wanted to make sure because he has that strong build, some of that muscle mass was not getting in the way of getting in positions that he wanted to be in.

So we wanted to make sure we weren't getting too much muscle increase that it would limit his turn.

I have that problem too.

I took the experience working with you.

But then we wanted to also make sure that because of coming off that surgery, that we were getting mobility from the correct places and getting stability from the correct places.

So when you get a spinal fusion and now don't have certain mobility between two vertebrae and your spine, we want to make sure other areas that are supposed to be stable don't start moving to compensate.

So we really dove into his thoracic spine mobility and his hip mobility to make sure that then we were keeping his lower spine very stable, very safe and not doing anything that it shouldn't be doing any sheer force or things like that.

So that was our biggest focus was making sure his hips and upper back were still his primary source of rotation and movement in his swing.

It's interesting to me, though not surprising that you go to hips, which we're not touched by his surgery.

But talk to us about the role of hips and all this and why you went there so quickly.

The hips are one of the most powerful joints in the body and next to the shoulders, one of the most mobile, they should have a lot of range of motion and many planes of motion.

And when we, you know, we're sitting here at a desk right now and our hips are stuck in one place, it's it's easy to lose some of that range.

So we want to make sure that those are still working in full range to be able to support a very stable low spine.

And a lot of people will, if they're limited in that area, start to find someone wanted sway or movements and directions that they don't want because that hip does not want to turn in the way we're asking it.

So a lot of times when you have a little pain or a nag that's in a very stable point of your body, say like a low back or a knee, that is more of like the smoke above a fire.

And we don't want to drop water on the smoke that's maybe miles away from a wildfire.

We want to find the actual source of what is the thing that's causing this pain somewhere else.

So a lot of times stable joints will show the symptoms of what is going on from a lack of mobility or control from a mobile joint.

So in this case, I wanted to make sure from the low back that we went to the two joints on either side of it, the hip and the mid spine and make sure that they were still functioning well to support that area.

And he's been doing great seeing speed performances. He sent me a text yesterday about some good, easy swing speed and club as speed he had on the range yesterday as he's in a little little break from some of his tournaments and he's just working on that.

So many off season from right now and we're seeing great things.

I asked him the other day about his pardon his ability to walk 72 holes in successive weeks.

He was very upbeat about that, which we all know boy, if you got to play it on tour, that's a job requirement.

What tells about your conversations, let us behind the curtain a little bit about Daniel's ability to walk successive weeks of 72 holes.

Yeah, it was making sure his body was adapting well to his new situation.

And because in the past, it was holes 55 through 72 is when numbness and things were starting to go down his leg because of what was going on in his back.

Sure.

As soon as the surgery took care of that, then we had to make sure that him staying in those positions.

We're still going to be there when he was on miles, you know, 30 through 37 on the fourth day of playing at the practice rounds and multiple rounds.

So it was more so giving him the stability and in his core and in his legs and in his postural muscles to make sure that when he's that far into it, he's not starting to break down and fall into old positions or something that would put his put his back or leg at risk.

So we've been doing a lot of endurance work with core work in addition to the main basic strength and power drills are doing for a swing.

It's not just can you have your swing and have it repeatable.

It's can you then walk all the miles in between.

So a lot of long endurance, racing and core work, farmer carries stuff on the bike or the rowers to make sure his his heart and endurance muscles are ready to support that.

We're talking, of course, about Daniel summer haze and an elite world class player.

What about the rest of us?

Let's say slubs like me older losing nobility losing strength and muscle mass.

How do you take these principles and make them work for people listening to our show?

Well, you saw it firsthand when we were your assessment and I think it all starts there.

We don't know what we're working with until we assess it and know what we're working with and the same template applies.

So you just apply it to where that person starting point is and knowing what their next goal is.

It's as simple as that it's we can address whether we start with we always start with mobility and stability.

I think that's the foundation of any strength and fitness routine.

Then once those things are where they are, then I love adding on strength, speed and power from there.

But we don't know what to work on or where to address that until we've done a full assessment.

And that is why here at T-Box, we value ourselves in that the first experience anyone has when they sign up as they go through our full box assessment that looks at their body, their swing and their clubs.

So we know the exact starting point that we're at and how to take you for that next step forward.

Jordan, let's take this over to you now because you guys sitting here together kind of represent the whole golfer experience that T-Box has cracked the code on.

How do you build off of what Mitchell's doing you as the professional?

I mean, some of it is as I've learned because I've gone through TPI and TPI certified so I can do the assessment.

And the nice thing about what we do here at T-Box is we have a team with me mentioned and gathered here and that we like bounce right we talk a lot of talk a lot of interaction so that we know what's the best course of action.

If you see a certain limitation in mobility or if or if I'm seeing something in the swing and then I can go to go to Mitch and ask him, you know why, why would this be be happening.

And then we can look back at that that assessment so we can we kind of work as a team, but all of our box pros will be TPI certified so they'll have that base knowledge of how the the body swing connection works.

And moving forward so they'll have a right that minimal knowledge that they need at least right to connect one dot to the other and then put them in in touch with right if they need to work with them with a Mitch or like Mitch said just starting on most people it's just get your butt in the gym get some movement going right first and then build on that.

How do people connect with this there they're they're listening to us and they're saying I want an assessment I want to work with people like Jordan blocks him and Mitchell cook how how do they connect with that Jordan.

You can go on the website book at tbx.gov book your assessment with whatever facility as close as to you.

Or right there's if you're on social media t box underscore HQ t box underscore centerville you'll be able to find find a way to do that reach out to being on on my socials yeah Mitch on his socials and we'll get you set up.

And the website folks is the coolest URL in the game it is tbx.gov how is that just not so far I just like saying it.

Yeah I mean I really think it's the only dot golf URL that I have heard of for now for now for now right.

For now but yeah tbx.gov go check it out.

All right Jen we need to do we need a little jet ex can we my stroke we have some jet ex theme music.

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Just go there follow the obvious buttons on the for the say jet ex jug and you can enter your team you can get one entry for every email address you have if you want to enter more than one team.

And that's what we're talking about when we got that's because I had entered in my want we had talked about it on the air with Rob Bolton a few weeks ago and I gave you my team but I changed my change your team and I'm allowed to do that until I submit it.

Yeah once I submit it then it's done but you can submit more than one if you have more than one email okay so who's your team now jam well I submitted it so I can't see it but I actually put Brooks kept on my list.

Oh you added kept game I did fascinating because think about it he's got to go through it off a lot but if he that he's good so it's going to I just took it as a wild card yesterday to get to play.

Yeah yeah yeah I'm going for the wild card okay okay and then Adam Scott well that's because you've got issues well I do but he's going to be listen I'm looking for points from every player so that's one point.

You gave us the tip earlier when I did it which causes to be a little bit late but yeah and then get points.

Yeah and then I picture I picture in speed that of I just really want Jordan to have a year.

Well he's cute too.

And he's cute.

Okay so the key to winning this game folks is the only way to win the winners every year always have been winner players who have points from every player so the way it works of course you get one point for every position they finish

through the the play out through the regular season through the window for every position they finish up to and including number 70 71 and beyond Jan what do they get?

Zippity Duda nothing not a nil no points 71 and beyond and and so you're trying you need points out of every every player.

Jordan you are looking just just so studious over there do you have a team for us?

Not yet but I'm building one.

Okay okay.

And I mean Billy Horses on my list I've got him up here there's been a few of them I might get in the newcomer.

Escavara.

Oh Nico points.

I think Nico's going to get points like I'm trying to be a little bit more strategic.

But I don't want to get to right it's it's points but if we can get all those in the 60s that'd be great.

Okay we need numbers and Mitchell it looks like we've lost you dude where are you going?

I wasn't newly aware of this and doing my research as well.

Okay all right very good.

And I have some ideas and it's interesting to look at this when you're this early in the season who has some points already.

Exactly.

Getting some momentum to get there.

Yes maybe might not maybe it won't keep going.

I should know that we will allow entries up through the conclusion of the PJ championship.

So go ahead and enter now.

I've already entered my I'm totally home.

Don't do that.

Don't do it.

I didn't submit two teams right off the bat.

You should submit one then you wait up you wait because you do have that line.

It's almost cheating.

And if you wait until the last week before the the cutoff you have a better chance.

But the most low.

So it changed and but this game is so volatile.

It changes every week.

One minute you're up here the next minute you're at the bottom of the list.

It is it is highly unstable.

That is true.

It moves around a lot through the the early part of your even through the end of the year.

But it's a lot of fun.

It means you know everybody's going to follow the top of the FedEx cup chase.

Of course we're in Scotty are going to be there.

We know that.

And if you want to pick them pick them they will get you points.

They just don't get you very many.

But following on the bubble throughout the course of the year is a gas.

It's fun.

This game gets you invested in it.

We encourage you to go to Utah golf radio dot com.

Click on jet ex.

Jag and get yourself a jet ex team.

All right Mitchell we're going to give you some some time figured out.

No need no need to do it right now.

But I like making you work man.

So Jan we need a you pot update.

Give me an update.

I need some scores.

Want to see my you pots on the leader board and watching play.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Give me an update.

I need some scores.

Want to see my you pots on the leader board and watching play.

Yeah.

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Jan how are our Utah players on two are doing well we'll start with Tony last week at the Genesis

Invitational he finished 228 minus six 278 on rounds of 72 68 68 and 69.

Nice.

So we're just happy to see Tony playing.

He is not playing this week.

However Patrick Fishburn is and so is Jimmy Stanger Jimmy Stanger is currently sitting.

He's our honorary you pot at the cognizant classic and he currently sits T six minus five 137 on rounds of 69 68 had a little help there with a he hold out number six at 144 yards.

Then again on number 14 for 151 yards to in one round.

Incredible.

Jar Jar from the fairway twice in a round.

Yeah, one was a whole just nothing but net.

Yeah, totally hooped it from the fairway.

Jordan that'll get you healthy.

Want it?

Make it.

Yeah, in a hurry.

In a hurry.

Get you healthy in a hurry.

Okay, Jan how are the other boys doing?

So fish is currently sitting at 238 minus one 141 on rounds of 73 and 68 fish did record four birdies on number 13.

Three four and nine with a total of 29 puts in this first round.

Nice.

That's pretty good stuff and makes the weekend and makes the week.

And then look that we've talked about this before we will again that is the name of the game on the PJ tour.

Certainly the name of the game in the chat.

Check.

Make the cut when you make the cut you get a check you get points.

You don't make the cut.

And you don't really good spot.

I mean, there he is.

Yeah, he's very good.

He's in position to attack from there.

All right.

How's KFT going?

KFT they are at the 119 visa Argentine Argentina open currently Jimmy Stanger.

No, we got Taylor.

I'm sorry.

Taylor Montgomery.

I just said Jimmy Stanger.

Taylor Montgomery sits currently T 10 minus nine 131 on around 69 and 62.

Let's just pause there for a minute.

Jordan, do you follow Taylor Montgomery?

Very much.

A little bit.

Okay.

Tell you one thing about this guy.

He can go stupid low like nobody's business.

He just put up a 62.

Yeah.

Obviously I catching whenever you see a six and a two together.

There's something special going on.

But the thing is with Taylor Montgomery, it's not unusual.

He does this.

He also doesn't show up on Sunday.

It's it's a putter.

I mean, he did it.

He's one of the best putter and there is in Ogden.

Yes.

Yeah.

Putter just went super cold.

Yeah.

It's the ball really well all the time.

Yeah.

Make it darn fast.

Fascinating player.

He's from Las Vegas.

He's one of the sand hollow open back when they were doing that twice.

We claim him as an honorary you pot.

We've got to know him pretty well.

He's a really good guy.

An extraordinary putter when he's on.

He can go low.

And I'm just sitting here with my fingers crossed and don't give it away Sunday.

Taylor, don't give it away on Sunday.

So anyway.

My fingers crossed.

Yeah.

Peter question.

Unfortunately, Mr. Cutt at minus one 139 on around 71 and 68.

Press in summer.

He's also, Mr. Cutt.

He sat even at 140 on rounds of 71 and 69.

And the mystery continues.

Continue.

What up.

P train.

I don't.

I don't get it.

It's, it's, it's tough.

But I mean, it's obviously golf is hard in the translation from, you know,

college to professionalist.

Who knows?

I mean, we don't know what's going on in there.

Well, all your points are 100% correct, Jen.

But it still does not add up.

Well, sometimes it takes it's your sophomore year.

Your freshman year is a little tough.

You're just getting used to the campus.

Fair enough.

All right.

We need to send some love to Logan Wilde.

This 12 year old kid from Lehigh.

When the US kids regional desert shoot out on the gold course at wigwam in Arizona.

A great golf course for his efforts.

Logan Wilde is the science bank player of the week presented by Fairways magazine.

Way to go Logan.

This is this kid keeping eye on as he's growing up.

Getting getting getting bigger and stronger.

He's all ready.

Got himself to to Augusta National as a national finalist in the,

the drive chip and putt where he finished second last year in his age group.

And continues the good play.

Logan Wilde, science bank player of the week presented by Fairways magazine.

All right.

We got to take a break and we come back on the other side.

We're going to take a little kind of D2 or sort of thing here.

We will speak with Lehigh mayor Paul Bins about a recent this week.

A Utah Department of Transportation decision on the routing for an east west corridor in northern Utah County.

The reason we're talking about all this.

It saves Thanksgiving point.

No roads through Thanksgiving point because of this decision.

We're going to talk about it when we come back on the other side.

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But we're coming to you live today from t-box, Centerville.

we're here with Jordan Bloxham and Mitchell Cook talking about the box

assessment that you need to get. We are joined now by the Mayor of Leigh High

Mr. Paul Bins. We have some important news to talk about Mr. Mayor. Good

morning. Welcome to the show. Good morning. How are you today?

We are doing fantastic mayor. We so appreciate we joining us. We know you're

busy. Mayor this last week, the Utah Department of

Transportation announced their plans for an east west corridor in northern

Utah County. This has been on the table for two, three years and has caused

quite some consternation in the Utah golf community because early

proposals had them lay an asphalt through

Thanksgiving point golf course. But not the case. The announcement this

last week is a routing along 2100 North in Leigh High in your city

that does nothing to Thanksgiving point and leaves it alone

until he white men. The great golf professional at at Thanksgiving point says

if you want to know how this happened, it happened because of Mayor Paul Bins

talk to them air. Mr. Mayor, first of all, thank you. Thank you. We care about

Thanksgiving points. Yes. Although there are greens could use some

redoing. Okay. Well, the greens are tough. The greens are tough. No question.

Mayor Bins tell us. Tell us what we need to know about this and what

you did to get where we are. Well, I think, you know, it's it's

funny to it's funny to know the story. And I quite honest, I don't know the

story how far back it goes. But you guys will know this.

Prior to COVID, golf was a totally different. Local golf was totally

different. You could walk on golf courses were struggling.

It was hard. And COVID comes along. No, we have to book out 10 days. We have to

pre-pay and all those things that have have absolutely resurrected the

game for for quite honestly, the the amateur golfer in the beginner and all

those now that enjoy the great game of golf. But back in the day, as you know,

Leigh High, Leigh High is a center hub and and Leigh High is a pretty special

place simply because of freeway runs right through the middle of our city.

And because of that, you you pull traffic from Siratoga Springs and Eagle Mountain.

Eagle Mountain and Siratoga Springs right now are close to 150,000 people

in the next five years. They'll probably be closer to 225,000. So

part of the issue is is as you bring people from the left to get them onto the

freeway or the major travel corridors, you know, you're looking for east-west

travel. How to how to how to get these people through

basically Leigh High City is a freeway so that they can access where they're going.

And the the prior administration really looked at that corridor,

what they what they called clubhouse drive, as one of those corridors. And

and not to their detriment. And I would never throw them under the bus. And I

think they were looking at every possible direction to move traffic through

Leigh High. And I don't fault them for that at all. As they looked at that, I

think that that kind of stuck out on some plans. And they kind of held some

development to that plan. And so I ran on the whole intent. And I'm an amateur

golfer. I have been for 25 years. I'm terrible. But I love the game of golf. I

love to be outside. I love to be with business associates, so on and so forth.

So the other flip side to to Leigh High is Leigh High is the home of 5.5

million square feet of class A office space. And and that office space lies half a

mile away from Thanksgiving point. And in the golf community, as as you guys know,

the majority of the deals are are on those greens that so-called need to be replaced or fixed.

During just whining about his cuttings, that's a nice thing to take out of it.

I do to help you Jordan, but but I think I think there has to be some understanding to that. And

and I think that I think to me, that's where we were missing it a little bit. And and

Thanksgiving point, as you guys know, has been there what since 95 when Johnny Miller built it as

the championship. I mean, for a time, it was on the championship tour. True. And that's the quality

of course that's built there. And what a travesty would be if you ran a two lane road right down

the middle of 18 and and over that beautiful part three that I can never hit the green on number seven

to connect a road that goes down to 2100 North. So when we when I got involved, the neighbors

there who had moved in as part of this community development, I remember when Thanksgiving point

opened, there were no houses there. It was just it was out in the middle of nowhere there and

Thanksgiving point. And there was a community that was built around it. And that community really

came out and was voiceless. And there were voiceless for quite some time. They they had been

fighting it forever. And they had the ear of the prior administration, but the prior administration

was still stuck on how do we, you know, how do we move traffic through here? And so when I decided

to run, I got involved with with looking at that. And with the economic benefit that we had

received from that course, the deals that are done on that course, the way that telly and their

management group run that course, we couldn't afford to lose such a beautiful green space,

such a beautiful community that's built around that course. And everything that course offers

to the city of Lehigh, I would think I personally came in and said that'd be a travesty if we

if we plowed it. And you know, there was always there was always thought and hope that, you know,

you could build a road through there and just build the course around it. And you, I think we all

on this call know that that's a little little more difficult said been done. So we kind of put

our heads together. There's some council members on our city council that were in the same camp as I

was. And we made some we made some hard promises to our residents and community that lives around

things giving points that hey, we're if this comes up and we're elected, we will take it off the map.

And so that's what we've done is we will we'll look at other modes of transportation through the

north end of the county to move people east and last, but it as long as I'm an administration,

it will not be through Thanksgiving point. I so appreciate hearing this. My wife and I have

moved here in the intervening months, but we actually lived in Lehigh during the election and

were very aware of this as a part of the election discussion discussion. You were of course

elected this past November, just completing your second month in the job. So this is right out of

the box, something that a part of the campaign and working. And as as a person who consumed and

was a part of that campaign, I respect and admire that as a member of the Utah golf community.

I am incredibly grateful and really appreciate what you and the council members have been doing,

Mr. Mayor. So I appreciate that. You know what? Let me give I'll give a shout out to a

a guy named Larry LaCroix. Larry LaCroix, I don't know if you guys have ever heard that name. He is

an old Utah golfer. Larry LaCroix is one of the residents that lives along. Long I want to tell

you 10 or 11 there at Thanksgiving point. He was he was kind of the leader of the group of that

neighborhood and Larry came to our meetings. Larry kind of drove it from the back side of it.

I was elected and interestingly enough Larry LaCroix passed away two weeks after.

And what an incredible man. But him and a couple of those other neighbors were key and instrumental

in making sure that we understood the history of kind of how long I mean this process has been

going on for a long time. And I think and you guys you guys are going to know way better than I do. But

you know the golf industry in in 2018-2019 when they were struggling Thanksgiving point proper might

have said hey we're struggling enough that maybe this is the best way for us to go. And I don't

know I don't know and I wasn't privy to those conversations but I can tell you now in 2026

with Tilly Whiteman running that crew down there. That's a very very good golf course that's

doing very very well. And man can you imagine can you imagine turning shovels on a viable green

space. I mean you start pulling all this political stuff in green space and open space and all

the things that people talk about. And then you're going to you're about to uproot one of the

gems of I mean I may say to the south end of Salt Lake County and the north end of Utah County

probably one of the biggest gems. Can you imagine sticking a shovel right in that 18th green

and going let's build a road right here. I just

No that's not going down my mind. We don't need 18 fine. It's just a couple of them and they

agree. I don't want the golf course to go away. I will say the green on number three has

some really gnarly pets available but Jordan you are a fine iron player you're a good iron

player. The solution is hit the right sector of the green dude. Yes. That's a different problem.

Part of a problem. Sure. Well mayor. Again thank you for what you did. Thank you for your willingness

to campaign on a golf issue. Holy cow and get it done. And actually do something and back it up.

Yeah. And just to the decision by you dot is to use that big wide corridor on 2100 north

which I always thought was just so blatantly obvious it's staring you in the face you've got land

there in the right way use it anyway. It matters Thanksgiving point matters and it's here.

She's here. I love seeing the system work. Yes. When you can campaign on an issue like this Mr.

Mayor and have the the the electorate respond and say yes we want you to go do this thing and then

you get into office and go do this thing. Congratulations well done. Hey we appreciate we appreciate

the golf community. You'll see me out there hacking and but you know what there's there's no

no better place to be I mean I'm looking at my my my temperature here I'm in my car waiting to

go into a meeting but I mean it's 40 degrees and I'm thinking myself boy 10 more degrees and it

qualifies for a bins round and I'm hoping I hear here on Utah golf radio we'll let you in on a

little something here Mayor we think that the weather channel has it all wrong that they make

things way too complicated there's only two kinds of weather there's golf weather and there's

good golf weather so we are on the edge of good golf weather and we're we're all just just

vibrating a little bit getting ready to go do our thing but and look we end up talking about

the elite players the great players a lot but but Mayor it's you and me it's all these guys who

love the game and all these women Jan who loves the answer you love the game and who play it because

we love it not because we're on the tour we play it because we love it because it's who we are

and we're so glad you're one of us Mayor well I think you know it's important and I'll give you

one last plug but I you know listen to you on my drive into my mean this morning I was that

little 12 year old who's playing golf uh I mean that that that should tell you right there the

health of golf in the state of Utah and I have a I have a senior at Lehigh High School she plays

on the golf team tellies or head coach and but you know what without without without what we have

and without what's around us golf has really become a family thing for our family we go we go play

golf my wife plays my two daughters play now we don't play well but you know what we sure have a

great time playing nine holes but you look at this 12 year old and some of these kids that are

coming out and playing and and the wonderful to me the best part is it's a family activity that

will last a lifetime and and why would you ever give it out of way is beyond me but um I think that's

the drive to what we have and it's pretty special thing and and yeah we do talk about pros and we

all want to be I mean we watch them on TV and go how in the world do they do that and then we just

want one time on we go I'm good look um we we love a master's champion a us open champion but the

reality is what you just described playing golf for a lifetime with people you love is the highest

order of the game bar none and yeah I so love what you're saying there Mayor um go out and play with

your wife and your kids and have a great time that's wonderful it's what we're talking about absolutely

all right thank you for joining us we so appreciate it given us this update and a little

with backstory and again thank you for what you've done for the entire Utah golf community

with routing of the new east west corridor in Lehigh thank you anything I can do to help you call

me anytime oh be careful what you say there that doesn't mean I'll answer I just said call me anytime

okay thank you thank you you'll see you you'll see it that is Paul Benz the Mayor of Lehigh and Jordan

Mitchell it's nice to see this kind of thing happen yeah it's good for golf I mean really you talk

golf can't lose to use to lose any courses right now no well I'm trying to get it to pick

a course let alone a high volume course like Thanksgiving point pick a course look at the number

of rounds and say okay where do we put them yeah uh there's not an answer to that look on Thursday

and try to get a t-tem for Saturday no no you no you you have to get a t-tem to get that the week

before so seven days out my yeah we need them yeah I've ever heard of a recipe for a good karma for

a good golf here the mayor he's doing pretty well yeah he could have a really good season the

golf gods could shine on him golf gods are like that I know they could do that they reward the

people that you know that that respect golf mm-hmm absolutely great love it all right we got to take

a break when we come back a little things and stuff with Mike element of you into golf and uh

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joined now by Mike Allerman of you into golf we need to talk ourselves a little Scotty Cameron

Mike good morning welcome the show. Good morning guys how's it going? Really good thanks really good

um Mike we uh had ourselves a little uh announcement a little release from the good people at

Scotty Cameron this week what do we need to know? Yes we have a new line of the phantom putters which

is their their mallet putters um yeah release date was yesterday and uh quite honestly we don't have

very many left but we'll be getting more okay so that's that's that's just hilarious so so we

we're 24 hours in and you've already got inventory issues uh it's it's a little thin we we do have

a little selection but uh sometimes with especially with Scotty Cameron we don't get quite as many

on release day as other brands uh and Scotty Cameron kind of has a special demand for sure. Oh you think

well yeah you were you were telling me you have quite the collection I don't know

I was just going to ask you Paul how much I can do you have? So we were we were talking we were

talking about this Mike during the break about how many we have we're going to start with Mitchell Cook

Mitchell you you have I have two two and how many putters do you have? Only one is in my possession

right now because one is out at the custom shop right now because you get in the cut oh what are

you doing? Well paint job little markings on it gets a color I want I'm excited for it to come

back I'm anxiously awaiting got a short tour of you when it gets here man okay Jordan where do you

stand? I'm at three okay um at about I think seven or eight putters okay I've got a couple

local guy western mall and a couple of other putters a lot of my putters have actually been

adopted by by my family though so yeah if I bring on there's probably ten ten Scotty's okay I

currently sit at six and I'm not totally confident in that number I think there might be more

and in fairness to myself because I know that that I I'm I'm a putter collector I'm unhealthy okay

um one of those Scotty's that I bought is simply for the reason of having it yet it is a collector

item it's it's an old school tin can thing with with the with the slant neck is just so cool and

when I had the chance to pick it up I I couldn't say no and it I know I'll never play it but it's

just so beautiful but anyway how about you my coming Scotty's team I believe I'm out for and

my total putter collection is probably about 15 okay I'm looking to be one yeah it just

gives me one of his so what do we need to know about the new Phantom yes okay yeah so it's a

mallet uh release of these are all just mallet heads uh three different heads the the five seven

and nine um go online take a look at pictures it did kind of a little hard to describe over the

phone here but uh they're featuring a full face insert made out of carbon steel uh it's the same

material and the inserts of their studio style putters uh it's gonna give you improve sound and

feel there's gonna be a little softer feeling um and the milling pattern on it is like a chain

link style uh so if you look at the the putter face and the milling on it it kind of looks a little

bit like a chain link fence yeah I think I think it's pretty attractive myself uh but yeah it improves

sound and feel and it's gonna give you uh a little bit more improved speed control on on your longer

pots um I I'm looking at it online right now and uh and and spend a little time doing the same

yesterday uh tell us more about this chain link uh etching the uh feature on the face of the

putter and what that accomplishes yeah it's it's just the pattern in which it's milled um don't

know the the whole rhyme and reason behind it but from what I've been reading about it that's

what it gives you that improved softer feel uh I'd say most players like a little the like

an inserted style putter um a little softer feel but you still get the feedback where if you

you miss off center you know but it's kind of just more of a softer feel and just improved

distance control uh coming from that feel as well I like that I like that I am currently gaming

a Scotty Cameron Phantom my my particular model is probably six or eight years old by now I

lose track um one of the face balances uh face balance neck design so the 5.5 um and I'll tell you

just set it down you look at it you looks right swings nicely and all comes off the face

new addition of that putter so what we got is in the five head it's going to be the most

uh options available uh you got the OC which is their onset center basically like their

version of a zero torque putter they don't call it a zero torque putter they call it a low torque

putter uh so that's going to be kind of your more center shafted putter with the shaft uh going

into the head behind the face so I think your zero torque style putters I think that one's going

to be very popular uh the five is also available in the single bend uh 5.2 which is a plumber's neck

and then the 5.5 which is that slant neck you were talking about and then the seven is available

in a double bend and a 7.2 which is the plumber's neck 7.5 which is a slant neck

and then the nine which is what I think most people are are talking about right now uh the nine

are which is a single bend and the nine point two which is a plumber's neck and I think that one's

probably one of the more popular ones out the gate right now yeah yeah I think so do you think

that the the plumber's neck is popular because of its historical use on the on the new port and

it's got a little bit of a new port look to it I'd say so and I think in general mallet putters

are becoming insanely more popular right now uh no question yeah because of their use on

tour I mean you watch a tour event these days not very many guys are using blade putters anymore

oh I know I we were we were talking in the break uh when Ben Griffin made the change now all

of the top 10 players in the world are using mallet putters get some of the mallet putter folks

yeah there's that you should be listening to people I've only used a mallet you you only have

yeah I've never used anything else it's really it's really fun to get taught me sharp talking about

this because he he has very strong opinions that the mallet putter is the only thing that somebody

should be using and he has given me plenty of grief over the last couple of years uh about my

insistence on staying with my old uh my old pro platinum my my 30-year-old Scotty that I love

and I want to be buried with but we can range that way well it's way for a minute but uh but

the mallet is better and and and I I'm interested Mike do you see in what what's coming through your

stores and what people are walking out of your stores with is the market as you experience it

going to mallets I would say so yeah there's a lot more mallet putters available now uh yeah

not gonna say there's a ton less blades available but maybe the market's just getting

more flooded with uh with mallet putters yeah for the reason that the the manufacturers are making

them because their tour guys are using them probably so all right well thank you so much Mike

we appreciate you joining us um are you gonna have Scotty's at each of your five stores

is that a fair question the yes uh don't know what selections like at the moment but yeah

release days yesterday so we we have them uh selection may vary by location but we'll be getting

more as we go on through the season okay all right well thank you very much we appreciate

you joining us Mike all right thank you guys thanks that's my element that's my

element from uh you into golf and uh Jordan it is fascinating to hear this discussion um you're

game in a mallet now but you haven't always no I pretty much there was a little stretch

a couple years ago but for the past probably ten years it's almost been exclusively a mallet

okay all right we got to take a break when we come back on the other side we're going to catch you

up on the copper the uh choral canyon senior am and we will also uh be uh touching base with uh

Luke Freitas our new championships director from the Utah Golf Association you are listening to

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last week uh in part because i want to talk about the guy who won it interesting story here

just in laborum uh wins it the the choral canyon senior m uh shooting minus seven one thirty seven

on an ounce of sixty nine and sixty eight good for a four shot margin of victory pretty impressive over

and listen to this list players here over Darren Overson solo second at minus three Shane Mcmillan solo

third minus two top five rounded out with Clark Jones and John O and minus one what we just named

there are four of the top senior players in the state just in laborum just smoked them

relative newcomer to the game fascinating background he is a former professional soccer player

jam and Mitchell you will love this athletes be athletes baby he came to the game while playing

professional soccer and had to show up a practice every day so we couldn't have a regular kind of

job otherwise he needed a part-time job with flexibility and scheduling went to work on a golf

course and picked up the game game in his mid 20s as a professional soccer player got good at it

now he's beating the top senior players in the state you love to see it you love to see it

athletes the athletes the athletes the athletes yeah and it's so interesting to to talk about all

that and and to learn more about it we did a podcast with with Justin please go check it out you

want to hear what he has to say uh as he describes coming into the game um and describes his golf

journey but the message here and i'm so glad that this has come together when you're on the show with

this Mitchell and when when Justin goes out and smokes these top players in the state again this

this leaderboard it's just it's like you're gonna say okay who are the best players in the state well

we're missing a few in this i mean we obviously John Wright and and Brigham Gibbs need to be on

that list but Darren Overson, Shane McMillan, Clark Jones, John Owens these are among the very top

senior players in the state and what did Jordan uh what did uh Justin laborum do he beat them all by four

and more so this is a name we need to keep an eye on in the senior game in Utah and it is

such a great back backstory athletes be athletes baby it's great to see when an athlete finds ways

to be competitive like to eat the fluids you know the juices go in and you have different realms

of being competitive whether it's on a team event or individual which is the game of golf and

just love to see that you picked it up and found that outlet and now look what happened

that fun that that is really great all right um we need to uh talk about someone who needs some relief

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better and feel better durohealth.com and i'm just gonna chan i'm just gonna confess here oh gosh it's

you it's me oh what did you do we've been talking about all the all this puddings oh no

we know i've got issues you have a problem you have a putter problem i i never have been able to

to replace the the old school ping answer that i used all through college and decades after that

i had this putter for a long time i lost it and i've never been able to find the right putter since

so that's why you collect all the putters well you do know here's here's how women work with

giving away stuff so if you give something away give it to somebody that you know so that way

you can still admire the putter you can get it back or if you if necessary but you can also see

the putter being used and in good you being put to use and it makes you feel better okay i know

where you're going so same thing was closed you know we want to give things to you know or our

items jewelry things like that would give them to our friends because we know they're going to get

some enjoyment out of it and it makes us happy to see them happy and enjoy it so Paul you should

sacrifice a putter occasionally to a friend and who should i give it to Jan i don't i don't i think

you know yeah i mean i've had one putter for 11 years so that says something okay it's good though

it's so comfortable for me i can't it's hard for me to use anything else so i really like it but

it doesn't mean i couldn't get i couldn't make friends with the scottie camera i mean i'd like to

meet a scottie camera yeah okay okay we'll talk moving on okay let's talk about somebody

honest is honest is brought to us by copper rock copper rock you know this great golf course a great

championship facility that's available for all this to play holy cow i love me some copper rock

Jan what's not so like well it's not too like are you okay with the greens Jordan at

the most part i keep it happy yeah i'm very i'm very particular about greens Jordan are you

going to be a grumpy old man probably i'm getting there going to be a better at being not a

senior yet and that actually now i've got a question how old are you uh i'll be 49 in July

so you're sneaking up on this senior yes yeah um that's gonna matter when you're playing senior turn

oh so i'm trying to build up this yeah using using match and using this this facility that we have

here to to keep my speed up so then when i do get on that that senior thing i'm i can make those

young guys complain like i can point about those guys right now you know what you're telling me

the other day you're moving as fast as ever fast as ever i'm as fast as i've been looking again

50 is 50 is the new 30 okay just for the record the winner this last year of the section

championship christmoody senior yeah anyone the section championship so there's that

so we've got a lot of good senior yeah no question no question so good so good all right

um honest is i never got to this geno titicino titicule she won in her native tyland now no news that she won

she's the number one player in the world and she is playing really well right now but i just love

stores like this she plays around the world plays mostly in the united states because that's mostly

where the lpj tour is they make one stop back in her native homeland of tyland she went to it

she won on home soil i like that stuff it's like when in the gold

in your home in your home well i i okay since you're mentioning the olympics i'd rather have the

gold yeah well so it's pretty cool for her it's very cool very good and more importantly it's

cool for her country cool for her country to be able to honor her and i she is a terrific player i

love watching her play the game my gosh i like her but she's got to be okay

well she's number one in the world she's kason you're okay she's decent geno titicule wins in her native

tyland she's kind of done honest as like under the radar though yeah yes she's not what i'm

buoyant well and when i saw it and then they showed her is the number one i was like oh yeah she

is number one in the world yeah well and she's done it without a major so far but winning her home she

said that environment was the closest that she's felt and excitement after winning that tournament and

i hope that just pops up oh yeah that's great thing and i hope it does too

i think charge terrific game and uh love watching her play all right we are joined now

by luke freight us the new director of championships at the Utah Golf Association

these are our championships folks luke is now in charge and we need to talk to him

mr. freightous good morning welcome to the show good morning thanks for having me Paul

we're so glad to have a chance to connect with you luke first of all congratulations really

impressive to get a role of this significance and prominence at pretty young age early in your career

i think that says an awfully lot about your friend uh way to go man thank you i appreciate it

can be a lot of fun this summer i'm looking forward to uh we are looking forward to working with you

more in this regard of course we know you already you've been the the deputy director of

championships i guess i don't know the title what was your title before your your promotion

i was the assistant director of championships assistant director of championships and deputy

director sounds great you should go with that yeah yeah deputy well so where we're going with

this actually your new title is because the director of championships is also over the administration

of rules for the uga correct that's correct yeah yeah so that makes you the rule sheriff

so you are the sheriff now that's your new title we want to see you get some business cards printed

up let's say rules sheriff on them um because that's that's where we're going to go you're the

rule sheriff here for the for the uh Utah Golf Association but let's um let's talk about the the

championships uh this is what matters most to us we of course uh know the the schedule was already

pretty much established but tell us what you are thinking as you look at this upcoming championship

season that starts here in a couple of weeks at winter champs and uh look through the the schedule

look through the suite of tournaments throughout the course of the year tell us what you're thinking

now that you are the sheriff you are the guy in charge yeah colon certainly uh certainly left me

in a good spot with the courses for this year and the and the upcoming years um in terms of

courses we have this year um it's gonna be great schedule where jam packed is always um and got a

lot of courses that are that are great to work with so it's gonna be a smooth and fun summer

pretty interesting that you come into this uh role when your flagship event the state am

goes to as close as it's gonna have as at home you're going back to soldier hollow this year uh tell

us what you're thinking heading into the state am yeah soldier hollow has always been uh great

hosts for us in the state am um they're super helpful um and you know they they know how to do

things the right way so um you know we have them typically every four or five years or so

and so we know what we're gonna get with soldier hollow and it makes things super easy on us and

our our staff and volunteers one of the things that really matters uh about being at soldier hollow

we of course know that this facility was designed and built as a championship host facility

it was put in place for the purpose of hosting a usga event uh so far the only one held in Utah

the 2012 um uh publics championship and so because it is designed to be a host facility for

for a usga championship of this magnitude it means that you guys get to

expand the field over what you do in other courses uh tell us about that so we all know what's going on

yeah so 288 player field um it's the first time that that i've ever seen that um so more qualifying

spot and uh more chances for for players to uh to be able to plan the state am so that's super

exciting we're looking forward to it um um one of the things on the schedule this year that you're

doing uh little personal to me but i i really like it i think it just speaks volumes of the

the growth and the solidarity and uh in in the game in Utah and that is that you are moving the

senior stroke play and the senior women's stroke play together one course same time shared event

give us all the deets on that man yeah so that's something that that Colin has been in the works

for a few years on um and i think it'll be great for us to get the women's division um and the

senior stroke play i think it'll be a lot of fun and then finally before we before we got to

let you go um tell us uh about your your personal journey and the the get you to this role your

journey in the game connections to Utah we're going to forgive you your crimson tide history a little

bit maybe but talk to us about how you got here and uh and what it means to you to have this role

yeah so didn't really have any ties to uh to the state of Utah until about a year and a half um

when i moved here originally from northern california like you said went to school at the university

of alabama um always wanted to get in the sports industry so um after college i moved to florida and

bed after florida got a role with uh american junior golf association realized i loved working in

um the golf industry there was a whole lot for me to learn um i loved working outside love

being able to run successful events for players um and then was kind of just browsing around um i've

never been one to obviously stay in one spot um so i was kind of browsing around the country thinking

while i'm young and don't have um like an immediate family or wife or kids or anything um i can

kind of just go somewhere different and settled on Utah met with easton and leesa and call in and

loved what they had to say about the role and figured it would be a great first step in my career

and it was and now i'm here and i'm loving it well we're so glad you are we're glad you're a part

of the Utah game and uh that we've had a chance to get you get to know you a little bit over the

last year we're going to get to know you more now that you're in the hot seat um but uh

congratulations again we're looking forward to what's coming next and i think this is really cool

well done thank you paul i appreciate it and uh look forward to seeing you soon all right thank you

that is luke fratus the new director of championships at the utar golf association

and jordan i i i look at people in positions like this and i think they're in a tough spot um when

things are going well they don't get a lot of attention normally they we their names get said

normally they they get attention paid to them when there's a problem and and you know my my

mind immediately goes back to and we're going to to shinnecock for the us open this year again but

the last time the the us open was at shinnecock um they lost the course it got away from them and all

of these back backroom tournament managers who normally are below the radar we're thrust down in

front of it i felt bad for them now granted they could have put some water on the job

yeah part of the job but but guys like uh like calling classin who uh moved on to the usga and

opened up this seat for luke guys like luke they're now in a role that um when things are going well

we don't have much yeah you don't want to hear your name as a tournament director because then

you're doing a good job yeah exactly interesting place all right we got to take a break and we come

back something special we're going to continue our our path talking with members of the inaugural

class of the uta pga hall of fame john evans the great the legendary john evans will be joining us

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we are joined now by one of the legends of the uta game i'm talking john evans john good morning

welcome to the show good morning to you so glad to have you with us today john thank you so much

we are bringing you on of course because we're in the process of celebrating the inaugural class of the

uta section pga hall of fame you are in that class congratulations of course john what does it

mean to you to get this recognition from your peers in this way well you know what something you

never really ever think about before we went on the pga and the uta golf association has truly made

golf a very important thing in uta and i've just kind of jumped on board and thoroughly enjoyed my

life in golf so so begins the end right well okay we were actually we were actually talking about

that during the break teasing you a little bit um talking about your poor retirement skills um

you you are retired officially sort of kind of and yet we we know that you're still

very involved in the game uh Jared Barnes one of your successors at uh their in cedar city

says you'll show up we know you're involved with the su u golf team

tells what you're doing now and uh we're so glad you're still involved but give us an update on

what's happening with you john well i i an assistant coach for the issue you golf team and i just

do mostly just kind of watch between ones that there are more of a of a uh mind builder than i

am a golf swing you know the kids now they know more than we do so that's just that's the way it is

but i thoroughly enjoyed working with young people and and i've always believed that give a

young man a chance or a young girl a chance and it will it will happen and through the years

all the time as i give anybody that's under 18 years old i never charged them in dying for a lesson

so i'm wow trying to keep trying to keep the youth in the game but when i feel when i first

moved to cedar there was not very many kids playing off of a war what did you do with the kids

where are the kids at so so i got involved with you know junior golf and started up a great golf

program as far as genius go and then i just kind of built it into it kid the kids are very

important to the game and and teaching the fundamentals of not only golf but living yeah and i've

been very lucky i've been very lucky i've had a lot of really great great assistants that i've hired

to the years and you know the secret is to say just have strong people around you and i've just

been very fortunate to have a great youth of men that worked for me that have kept going in the

game of golf in Utah you know you make a very good point there and first of all thank you

for what you do for the kids that matters it matters very grateful i have deep respect for that

john but you mentioned a really interesting and good point we we talk about how a golf professional

who really makes a difference and leaves a legacy normally will have the equivalent of a coaching

tree you know how bill bell a check is a great example you look at the coaches who have coached

with him and what they've gone on to do let's go through your coaching tree and the the the names of

some of the golf professionals who have worked with you at cedar ridge over the years is a list of

real leaders in the Utah golf community Jared Barnes a national leader colby cow and Chris

Stover holy cow how did you make all that happen well you know when i was when i was coaching when

the first the university asked me to coach will be they did turn the distribution one school up

and the budget was very small so i didn't recruit even i just left the word of mouth out

again it's the branching out of golf throughout Utah everybody gets to know you and everything

like that so kids have come to me and i was but they're very lucky to have you know just like you said

but i had you know i had some you leave off to you leave off tom king he's a pro at the price and then

yeah you then you get there's one of the hardships of about bringing kids up is you lose one or two

here now and Jason Reynolds it was a great young man that had an accident in surgery and

and i've been sort of died from it but he would have been a great golf professional for you talk

but he was just one of them and i got out on the eaks soon and you know i'm going to leave off names

and i don't mean to you and i'm like Todd molland or mr. Todd Todd molland is great and talk about

another guy who's focused on the youth Todd molland does great work oh yes i'll say it does

yeah i mean you know but i i try to tell the my young apprentices that find a nice little community

golf job find something that you can just kind of build not only your resume up but you can move

you can actually spend time with your families and don't get too tied up with everything else and

it has worked out pretty good and then as you get you know i should never take a job that's a lot

of a lot of them always don't work your way up and i try to tell them all to get right but

it involves us a pj so that they could you know spread the word even farther and it's worked out

really good for me but it's you know a lot of times i get a lot of credit for the stuff that they do

that play what a good bunch of guys i had looking for me incredible yeah let's talk about you

john evans the player you have a reputation of of course an easy natural

effortless swing you have developed such a great record but there's one piece of it i just want to

hear the backstory on because i want to geek on it talk to us please about your 1966 provo open when

um over your byu teammate johnny miller in a playoff and tell us about that and well it was

again it was if he weather weekend it was kind of fun but anyway the it was rough man was the third

player in the playoffs that we had with it to win the pro open he was a seasoned golf professional

and uh very first whole we had all hit on only green and i just happened to be

you know within about 20 feet and i was closer than anybody else that uh so when i get

before i even get to to to make start my routine to make me try to make my father

miller walk by and says knock it in so we can get this thing over with and so it's not the right

isn't that the other day i know that's about a year's job but but through the years i through playing with

johnny miller i learned a lot i learned a lot about being consistent and you know and not worrying

about anything else you know when i play i play the theme for two and a half three years and never

seen him hit a shot left oh i'm taking well maybe maybe maybe you just something something to

do this game that i don't know because you know if you watch you know i'm trying to thoroughly enjoy

watching good players and just see how they do it why they do it and the only thing that bothers me

the most is i can't tell her young players to slow down right they are all going a hundred miles

of miller they're going a hundred miles an hour no doubt i make it in a long ways yeah

did you did you have a good sense when you were on that byu team with johnny miller

was it obvious at the time that he would become who who he was or tell us what you saw back then on

a young johnny miller i the first few times i you know i played around and stuck with him for the

first year or so then the as we got as i got old i was a couple of years old was at him

and as my senior year i played with him just about every turn and every match everything like

that was where we had a very good record but one of them too and and it was i can tell you

i watched him play and he would shoot sixty six sixty seven sixty eight and lippin out three or four times

every round and i just was just marveled at how accurate he was and he had no no fear

and lo and behold what caused him to end his career the yips right yeah yeah yeah yeah

so but it was shot it was shocking to watch him play because he was just he was very aggressive very

young didn't hit it very far when he was first there oh really he was very short

yeah it was too it was too but i'm sitting there thinking a little how's he the number one

ranked player coming out in the college golfing and all of the sudden you can you know you can

just watch him playing and understand he doesn't miss a shot yeah well did what did it mean to

you at the time back in sixty six when you beat him in the playoff for the provo open and then

did your assessment of that change over the years no that was still one of my one of the highlights

from my my adopted career was you know we both and we had a kind of a good relationship and it was

kind of kind of fun to be around you a lot of people thought he was a little arrogant but

that just how was he bringing out people trading so yeah but again sometimes you have to be

costly right yeah and he definitely was that but but he you know he could back it so there's

no problem at all but he didn't he didn't ever question what what he was doing that is so cool

um yeah john it uh i i i think it is so impressive what you have done over the years

when you look back on your career in total great player a builder of other golf professionals a

a significant presence in your community because you were committed to see their city as a

community and and you built a reputation there in that town over decades when you look at it all

what do you want up and coming golf professionals to know about it and what do you want your grandkids

to know well yeah well that's a loaded question you know i i knew when i moved this

heater i was still i was still playing pretty good and but i built this heater today i wanted to

spend more time with my family i wanted to have my family chance to be active in high school and do

smaller schools sort of arm and uh so when we moved down here it was it was it was hard to travel to

play the one day golf tournament or something like that so i decided just to coach high school go

off and then just just go from there and and cut back on my playing and then uh a couple of my

high school teams did when she'd stay championships or whatever it was most people don't wrong but

the uh watch the kids grow up and everything like that given they have the opportunity but i would

like to have everybody that gives it and we got is people come first and be a people person

and so it's i've always believed in being first but i've trained like guys i says upon that door

opens i want you to be right on top of them i make them feel like this is where they want to be

and so and so i have a lot of little things you know little cliches that i used to use but you know

one of them as new owners get as yarr or so and that default that's to pertains to anything in life

i am yeah y'all came to still being a person and i used to laugh at talking with the civic groups

when i think you know you moved into the town i says it's a shot to to come to a small town

and pretty soon you know everybody and it was kind of fun really really was and then

and then i always believed in you know don't be afraid to spread the word

so i mean and another thing most people didn't understand about so you can say that when i

lived here i was shocked to how many people didn't know there was a golf course in town

oh yeah really wow okay yeah yeah i mean it's shocked i guess it was an old town yeah yeah

cheater city was an old town old people when we moved here and it was you know it was fun being

down to earth and just watching everybody cares about everybody else and now i don't know anybody

in cheater city so times is jane time all of California moving our way right

what's your time to show yeah yeah and what do you want your grandkids to know about grandpa john

pile i just want him to know who first of all of i loved him i cared about him

and to this day if they call and say grandpa you take me fishing off fishing we go i'm always

available so but anyway just just you know i hope it rubs off on them to be care about their

they're the ones who follow them right yeah i know all my grandkids i know that there's a lot of

involved and and i'm doing them deeply and i know that as i've slowed down it's it's harder

in life's life's life so yeah Pam and i and if Pam and i are getting to know each other better

that's nice that's good it is it is too i just you know it's like

like you know my wife was just a homemaker and i've i've we lived together for 62 years but the uh

i never ever turn on the washer and dryer until she had these surgery on the 31st December

right learned how to wash and dry clothes good on you get up new skills that's right too and we're a little

bit different she was kind of you know what i said i don't mean to get off track but she was

more of a stacker and then put him on the dishwasher i'm more of a i washer today i watched the dishes

every day why do we have all these plates that you want we just have two of everything right okay

brook i know you're listening i'll do better yeah it's coming brook it's coming

it's coming all right john what a pleasure to talk with you what a remarkable career uh we are so

grateful to that you're a part of of us here in the Utah game um and cannot wait for the Utah section

PJ Hall of Fame induction dinner on march 25th i'm so looking forward to seeing you there john

congratulations um this this is just a wonderful thing really looking forward to you being in

there officially well thanks just thankful for what you do for our every association in Utah so

you know it takes it takes people like you and make people like us so keep up to good work

kind of you to say that thank you so much i love you guys love you guys all thank you thank you john

thanks all right that is john Evans the legendary golf professional from cedar ridge and cedar city um

and uh going into the Utah section hall of fame uh that's that's your hall of fame Jordan

near Utah section guy it'll i'll be there obviously as as a plus one um yeah you wife sessley of course

works with the set section so that's cool so i'll be there to be it'll be cool to see that

that's all ceremony and it's right long overdue i think it is it is this is a good thing

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