Ep. 1169: Red Pill Adventures with Carl and Derek

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Hey friends, yes, I am somewhere on Kilimanjaro right now and I am recording this before,

I leave.

My wife said to me just now, you don't want everyone to know when you're traveling.

I mean, exactly when you're traveling and I said, well, I'm not super worried.

I mean, we have two strapping, strong young men living at home right now and our closest

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Not to mention that I know that the people in the Adventure Sports Podcast family are good

folks.

I really believe that and you can't live your life in fear.

I wanted you to know what was going on.

And so today I have another episode from Carl and Derek from the Backpacking and Blister's

podcast.

This time, this is a past episode that they previously ran on their show.

So this episode is a flashback episode from a completely different podcast.

It's never been played on the Adventure Sports Podcast before I don't have tons to share

today.

I will share when I get back, but today is the 21st.

If I have my math right, that means I either just summited Kilimanjaro yesterday or perhaps

we turned around because things didn't go as planned.

Either way, I'm on the way back down the mountain and I'm looking forward to catching up with

you here in a couple of days when I return back to Goodall, Colorado, but now it's time

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With me today is a man who tells victims of the matrix that snitches get glitches.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Really repurposed that snitches get stitches.

All right.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's kind of just like just piggybacked off of somebody else's cool saying, really.

Okay.

That's okay.

People saying you feel like when somebody says that to you, you're like, that guy's cool.

Well, it's well known, I should say.

And you're just, okay.

So you're just stealing essentially.

What is the matrix, Derek?

The matrix is the truth, Carl.

And are you willing to face the truth, you know, are you willing to face the, I thought

the matrix was the opposite of the truth.

It was the world that was pulled over our eyes to deceive us from the truth.

Well, yes.

I guess that's true, but it's both the truth and not the truth.

It's the matrix.

It's behind the matrix.

I think we need to discuss today what, like, what pill would you take number one, obviously,

but like, are you somebody who can handle the truth?

Or do you need to live in the, the fake connecting other movies, the fake world?

Can you handle the truth?

This isn't the Truman show, Carl.

Can you live in like reality or do you need to live in your little bubble, right?

Speak out of glitches.

I feel like there's a glitch in Derek's matrix because he now is just thrown out random

movie references that don't really relate to all that anything we're talking about.

Godfather and Truman are exactly the, no, I'm just going to.

All right.

What do you say?

What do you say?

Which pill would I have taken?

So you get the red pill?

You get the red pill.

You get the blue pill.

Do you remember what each pill does?

Yes.

In somebody's hands.

And we don't know if they use hand sanitizer.

So it's a little gross.

But if you had to take one, which one are you taking?

Hand sanitizer.

Do you remember what they each did?

Yeah.

The red pill is the one where you, like, keep on going down the rabbit hole.

And the blue pill, you just go back to the matrix life.

I'm going red pill.

I like a good mystery.

So you trust a stranger with dirty hands.

Correct.

Okay.

Yes.

I think I don't want to take any pill.

I'm going to skip both of them.

That's not an option.

Yeah.

And I'm going to be like, take your sunglasses off.

You're a little creepy.

And you have dirty hands.

So maybe.

Guys, this is what I have to deal with every week.

This kind of an answer.

You know what?

Pick a pill.

Pick a pill.

You can't handle the truth.

You want to just go back to it.

If I had to pick a pill, if I was forced to pick a pill, you go blue.

And I'm being honest.

I probably take the blue pill.

I don't want to go back to Candyland and love your life.

I just don't trust the guys.

I'm like, I don't know where the red pills are going to take me.

But he's proving that he is from somewhere different.

He's showing you that he's from somewhere different.

No, you know, that's how scams work is people make you believe something that's not

true.

This is before that time, I think.

So.

And look, it's, they were, you know, before this kind of scams, the pill scam, it's the pill

scam, Carl.

Listen.

It's Lauren's fish burning.

It's Lauren's time.

It's less like you're instead of the entire podcast, right?

It's Lauren's fish burn, dude.

It's Lauren's.

You're telling me if Lauren's came to your house, nature's pill scene is before the time

of scams.

There's, there's, listen, it's the matrix pill scam.

Okay.

You're not ready for it.

Like if Lauren's fish burn, fish burn came to your house with those shades and sat and

looked at you and gave you that speech.

You'd be terrified.

Right.

Yeah.

I know it.

So I don't, that's why I don't want to take a pill.

I'm going to have people like fear monger me into taking a pill out of a dirty hand.

Fear monger.

Okay.

It's a little intense, but it's, but you know what?

We don't, we don't know, we didn't know him.

The character, the main character, Neo didn't know him.

But hopefully if you've been listening to this podcast long enough, you know us.

And so you can take, you can trust us to take the red pill.

Is that fair?

I'm taking the red pill.

Okay.

You took some.

Where's how about that?

We got a couple of interesting tidbits that we got coming up and one of them is, uh,

they're actually rebooting an old TV show that you still watch.

So yeah.

Yeah.

That's a look forward to.

Yeah.

Any predictions?

Excited.

No.

Okay.

Hondo.

I don't know.

But Anza.

How was the episode?

First John 318.

Little children let us not love and word and talk, but indeed and in truth.

So Derek, in the backpack world, what's an example?

Have somebody who's all talk?

How does that go down?

Somebody who's all talk.

In fact, I mean, I guess someone who, I don't know, like, brags about all the accomplishments

they've had on the trail, but then can't physically stay with the group, maybe.

Maybe they show signs of weakness as shoulders, you know, it could be a lot of things.

I don't know.

Okay.

What's that experience like for you?

I come across a lot of people who do a really good job with spreadsheets and they've got

kind of their gear situated.

They've got their gear purchased.

They've got their, their base weight configured, but they don't really go backpacking.

They just got all the nicknacks and what they just like the organization said or they

go backpack.

They're like, I'm going to go on a 40 trip, actually, I only made it half a day and I'm

good.

I'm going to walk back.

Interesting.

So they're not out there for the love of the outdoors.

They're more.

Right.

They're out there for the love of the gear.

Love of the gear.

Okay.

Yeah.

There's a lot, some of them actually do go outside and stay outside and go backpacking

for a long time.

So that's, they get respect there, but the people that just, yeah, the all talk people,

that's not as much fun.

So you know what, they're probably listening to this episode, so it doesn't matter.

That's true.

That's true.

All right.

Here we go.

Don't believe what the backpacking world is telling you to believe.

If you take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your tent and believe whatever

you want to believe.

If you take the red pill, you stay in backpacking in blisters land and we show you just how deep

the rabbit hole goes.

We're going to peel back the curtain right now.

That's correct.

All right.

So what is something that people believe that needs to be revealed to them as false or

that there's actual truth that's different?

You want me to go first?

Sure.

I'm going to, let's start, let's start with the bug spray.

If you use Deet or off or whatever, it will repel all insects.

Why is it bad, though, Carl, because it's basically spraying poison on yourself.

We've had instances where you spray this and it gets on your gear, your shoe, your shirt,

your bag, and it melts or gear.

Is that something that you want to be putting on your skin?

Clearly some people swear by it.

I think they've taken the blue pill.

That's the soul of the grocery store.

It's sold at your outdoor store.

It's sold everywhere.

Everywhere.

Yeah.

Blue pill, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How do we overcome this?

How do we overcome it?

Yeah.

What do you do, Derek?

Yeah.

What could I use instead?

I mean, I got it right here, Carl.

This is what I use.

I use the lemon grass farms.

All natural.

All natural.

All natural.

Insect repellent.

And it's phenomenal.

It's phenomenal.

Yeah.

It is.

It's like essential oils.

And for those that know they're essential oils and have been part of the essential oils.

Pyramid scheme.

You know that they can cure cancer as well.

I don't know about that.

I know that when I use it, I took a friend somewhere that gets roasted.

They got roasted by mosquitoes and they got maybe one bite.

Yeah.

It was amazing.

So I wish you all.

So you don't need deets what you're saying.

I like it.

I like it.

Get rid of the poison.

Yeah.

What's yours?

What do you have?

What do you got?

Okay.

I'm going to start with backpacks that are terrible.

Like backpacks that are non-functional.

Yeah.

So here's what we will do.

Is they're trying to lighten their loads.

They buy these ultra light backpacks, right?

And the way that the backpacks are ultra light, aside from the fabric, is they take all

of the handy dandy pockets.

They take off the brain.

They take off all these different pockets from your pack.

So you just have like one main compartment, maybe a little bit of mesh on the outside,

right?

So they've removed all the accessory pockets and all the accessory due to ads that make

it functional and they've taken, they've just taken it off to shed the weight.

That makes sense.

But then what people do is then they spend a ton of extra money buying pockets to add

right back to the pack.

They buy like the double hip belt pocket.

They buy double shoulder strap pockets and they just simply add it right back to the

pack.

Which are probably actually heavier than the actual.

Maybe it's just, they're just trying to get this like pack weight down by buying a more

expensive pack that has less features.

But then the more expensive pack becomes even more expensive when you add all the pockets

back on.

That seems solid to me.

So you, you, you think in the whole industry is making more money because they're selling

now pockets individually and the, and the pack packs and the backpacks are still about

the same amount of money.

How much does a pocket go for?

How much is like a small, inconvying it, hip belt pocket go for like, let's say it was

Z-Packs.

How much would you guess?

30 bucks?

Yeah.

More like 50 bucks.

50 bucks for a pocket.

Yeah.

For like, and it's not a great one either.

So I try one out this summer and I actually lost a map out of that pocket.

And so I took the package, the pocket off the pack.

And so if you want to be ultra light, just keep the pack as is.

If you want to have your pack actually like function in an organizational way, then buy

a pack that keeps the pockets and don't ever spend it.

You seem very passionate about the pockets.

I am.

Like this is rubbed you the wrong way.

For a long time.

Literally digs.

I lost a map out of one.

Literally did.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah, rubbed against my hip too.

Did you get a rash?

Maybe.

Maybe if you had some, some of this lemon grass might have helped.

I don't know.

That solved that problem as well.

Exactly.

Yep.

All right.

Well, two birds one stone.

The faith, the trust that people put in the trail signs, Carl, just believe these trail

signs to be the end, I'll be all of where they're going as if as if they're never wrong,

as if they're never like if the mileage is actually wrong on the on the trail signs.

And I think that I think it's high tide that we spoke to this about this.

And I think we've talked about again, too, like this is why we have things like GPS now.

Like if GPS now for location obviously is huge, but like GPS is, and then we, we have

mentioned hundreds of times on this podcast, like the actual old school paper map.

Yeah.

The one that I just lost and just talking about.

The one that you lost with your fake pocket paper, but yeah, I get what you say.

Whatever.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So what you're saying is do you think people are like navigating or using the trail signs

is like a trusted source or guide for their journey?

I think more than they should because there are, there are instances like when we were

in, I don't know, like BAMP where you don't even see a trail sign for Lord knows how long.

And then there's other times where like in you somebody even, right?

I mean, we were out there and it's like, Hey, this is going to be in seven miles, but

it's really more like nine or 10 miles or that wasn't right.

And so I think if you're planning a trip, like, Hey, we'll go do this trip in three days

and this is the mileage, but then you get the new like, hold on my absolutely.

So I'll share that our most recent trip, the collegiate loop, there was one sign and

we weren't you trusting them.

So I immediately knew that it was wrong, but our camp was at this creek.

I think it was like called Cottonwood Creek.

And we had about 10 miles left to go to get to the creek.

And I saw a sign.

It said, Cottonwood Creek, 17 miles, 17 miles, 17, so seven mile differential.

That's, that's a lot.

I don't even think, I don't think people are like navigating by trail signs, but I think

that they are using them as a general guideline.

And I would question that as well.

So I'm with you on this one.

Okay.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Okay.

Take the red pill, guys.

All right.

I wish you next one.

Okay.

So next one is, I'm going to probably make some people mad about this, but a lot of folks

are buying gear based upon reviews that they're seeing on YouTube.

Oh.

Oh.

Yeah.

And there are some legitimate YouTubers.

We've had them on the show that I trust their gear reviews are, number one, he's just

an outdoors for sure.

Yeah.

But there's others.

There's many others.

There's others that aren't really testing their gear in the outdoors.

And we've even had one of them admit that on our show.

That happened earlier.

Right.

Yeah.

One guy we had, I'm not going to name names, said that he tested out some sleeping pads

and sleeping bags in his living room and then did a, did it like a gear review video

on it.

So, and, and was on this podcast talking about it.

Yeah.

Let's say that if you are blindly trusting YouTubers, not knowing how much they've actually

used the gear, like if they're not telling you how much they've used it, just, I would

be very careful.

And if they're testing something indoors when you're going to be outdoors, kind of, well,

you don't always know that though.

That was like a secret that kind of got revealed.

I don't think that was intentional.

I think I kind of dug it out of them.

You might have.

That was going to be one of your best interviews.

It was kind of, yes, an investigative reporting, maybe, right?

Dare I say.

Dare I say.

Yeah.

Dare I say.

Well, we'll submit that for the podcast Nobel Prize.

Wow.

I think, I think we're in the top three running right now.

Yeah.

Nice job.

Yeah.

Um, I, it's hard for me to disagree with you on this because there's so much on social

media in general, right?

Not just backpacking that people just like, oh, it's on there.

I must, it's truth.

It's gospel.

So.

Yeah.

And before, and before you think we're on our high horse, like, we've already told you

multiple times.

Don't even trust us.

Like, we'll tell you how much we've used it.

We used it a lot.

And I'm just not like a meticulous reviewer.

We like, this thread is going to fray after 75 hours of use.

So be aware of, you know, like, I don't know, I'm not that meticulous.

I mean, didn't you say at the beginning of the set so that they could trust us with

the red pill?

Didn't you say that?

Yeah, I did say that.

Yeah.

So now can you trust what I'm saying, but not trusting us is the question, right?

Can you trust Carl or can you trust me?

I guess I'm calling.

I'm calling him out.

I guess I'm out.

You're out.

Yeah.

There's one left.

I'm going to keep talking though.

All right.

All right.

Okay.

This is something that sold all in all outdoor stores, sometimes on the grocery store as

well.

And people will use this on the trail, thinking it's like not a big deal if they're using

it in a lake, a pond, a river, biodegradable soap.

Not safe.

Even though it says it's safe for the pond to the one not, it's always harmful.

Wait, why not?

Wait, I wouldn't know about this.

Why it's not safe?

Because you're increasing.

You're increasing all the junk in there, right?

It still increases like the nitrogen in the water, which is not good for animals.

It's harming the animals.

You're putting something that's not natural in the water.

And furthermore, what if somebody's downstream?

I don't want to filter your soapy dishwater, poopy water, whatever that is.

You know, like that's disgusting.

So wouldn't that just clean your filter?

That's fair.

But I think putting anything in water in nature that is not natural from nature is going

to be harmful.

And this is one example.

Okay.

Let's, let's rank him.

All right.

So you take off your shoe and sock.

You put your foot in the water.

That's not natural.

Is that wrecking nature?

Is that a bacteria is, is not in nature?

Is that what you're saying?

I'm asking like, let's, let's rank him.

Let's go.

You're dirty foot.

Maybe you take a little swim in the water.

So now you get your butt in there.

And then, and then you get the totally different ones worse than this.

Totally different.

My butt, my feet might have a smell unlikely, obviously.

But they have bacteria.

There's bacteria everywhere in, in nature.

There's, there's creatures designed to like eat poop in the ocean to eat poop to, this

bugs insects.

This is their job, right?

But if you're putting a chemical in, that's a man.

It's biodegradable.

Is it a chemical?

I thought it was all natural ingredients.

You're going to do this all day, aren't you?

Like, okay.

No, I'm just throwing.

You're the guy who throws all the styrofoam cups out in the wild, aren't you?

You're that guy.

Are you that guy?

You don't know the answer.

That's, you're, you're deflecting.

You don't know the answer.

Oh, what?

Biodegradable?

That's science is either.

That's all I'm asking.

I'm not saying it's not going to biodegrade.

I'm saying, hey, there's different timelines for different biodegradable things, right?

But also, it still has chemicals in it.

I don't know.

We want to pull up a soap and find out.

It's got chemicals in it that are still going to raise nitrogen levels in the water.

Still going to be harmful for a little critter in the water.

That's not used to chemicals.

Okay.

So if you want to kill wildlife, by all means.

Is that what you're saying you want to do, girl?

You want to kill wildlife?

I know you like pictures with mousse and whatever.

Well, look, look guys, he'll take a picture with a pile of scat.

I mean, this is where we're at in his life now.

So I would, I would, somebody got a lot of defensive hairs on in the attack.

All right.

I know you don't, I know you're not like a fan of soap in general.

And we all get that.

The B&B family understands the annual shower.

I got it.

Right.

For others.

You don't think I'm a fan of soap?

Like, we just spent the whole beginning part of the episode talking about dirty hands.

And you don't think I'm a fan of soap?

I mean, maybe.

I don't know.

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Next one I got is, okay, this one, I fell victim too.

I'm going to be straight up recently.

It's camp.

All right.

So you go on to some of these websites such as like Roger and Gear, and you're looking

for some different types of, I don't know, like backpacking snacks, and you happen upon

a brand that has way better ingredients.

It's just like, you know, high nutritional value.

They might even call it like a cookie or something, and you're like, ooh, okay, this is

different.

I'm going to have a different, you know, kind of mix up my snacks, and so you buy it.

It's usually a gregiously expensive, and then you get it sent to you, and then you eat

it.

And if you're eating on the trail, you convince yourself, like the matrix for this is that

this is actually a cookie, but it's a healthy cookie, right?

And so you're enjoying it, but you're kidding yourself, folks.

It tastes like trash.

There's no healthy cookies that taste good, like either they have bad stuff in them,

like sugar, and they taste good, or they don't, and they taste bad.

So I bought this cookie that was, I don't know, it's like a little bag of cookies, it was

supposed to be healthy, and I'm just like spitting it out.

I was like, this is disgusting.

I couldn't even convince myself that it was worth the money.

I think we've, I've had this conversation as you too.

It's like one of the hard things about going backpackings, I feel like my nutrition in

general suffers, because a lot of the stuff we have to buy is, you know, like it's processed

or it's freeze, you're out of work.

So it's going to, it's, it's just hard.

And so I think the marketing for a lot of these, like, the newest power bar, the newest

whatever energy bar is like, we're going to make it stand out because it's going to

be organic, or it's going to be all natural, or it's going to have like no sugar, and

that's all great.

But it's still, you're still just jam and junk in this bar, and you go like, processed

it together.

It's just not, it's not natural.

And I'm not saying, like, you have to have chips of hoi, which is like chemical cookie,

you, they do taste amazing, those are so good.

They are, but you can have like, so there's like, trader Joe's versions of chips of hoi,

and they still taste good, but don't fool yourself.

It's not a healthy cookie, it's so bad for you, it's not bad, right?

It's not as bad, right?

Right.

Yeah.

That's the same page of that one, that one, that one makes sense.

Okay, my last one is, is, okay, this has to do with lightning and metal, like if you,

if you have a, there's a, there's that myth of like, if I have a metal backpack frame,

and I'm out there in a lightning storm, it's going to attract lightning, I got to get

rid of this metal frame, I got to, look, guys, if you're in a lightning storm, here's

the deal.

Like, pretty much everything is a conductor of electricity, when you're talking about

like 300 million volts of electricity, just, it's, some things are more than others.

And usually it's like, the tallest thing around, mainly like a tree.

So the way to like, be better about this is not worry about your backpack frame.

It's like, don't go stand on the top of the hill, maybe, right?

Or, or don't, just don't be, don't be taller than everybody else, like Karl is, right?

So just don't, don't be the tallest thing out there.

Like, just keep going, but like, the odds of, yeah, it's more likely going to attract

something larger, like a tree or, or, or something out there that's way bigger than you,

not your little, you know, osprey frame, or whatever you use Karl, you know?

I like that you, Brian's been science again, that was pretty nice of you.

You like that?

Conductor?

That was pretty good.

It's all, dude, it's light, it's billion, like millions of volts of electricity.

Volts?

That's another good vocabular, yeah, like it.

Volts.

Or I would like to pose the question at, what percent of the B&B family right now that

are listening?

I wouldn't have a external metal backpack frame.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume, which is never good, but I'm gonna

do it.

Okay.

I'm gonna assume it's like the, maybe the generation before us, the boomers, the boomers,

maybe they have some old, my grandpa game, we just, rucksack, and it's got, do you own

internal frame?

So I know, I would say it's a small percent or so.

I'm gonna say like, I'll go zero percent, I'm gonna, I don't know about zero, I don't

know about zero.

I think it's probably like 0.1% and there's a few.

There's a few.

There's a few.

But again, like there's still, there's still metal frames out there that are still.

Like garage sales, I see them all the time at garage sales.

Yeah, but they could still be like, oh, I have a metal frame, it's very thin, it's

like internal frame, you're saying?

Yeah, it could be internal external, but it's, they're worried because it's like, it's

metal.

And I'm like, you're worried about a little baby, little wire as opposed to, you know,

I don't know.

Yeah, you're right.

But it's gonna get you, it's gonna get you, but it's online.

The general idea is correct.

I just don't know how many people you're hitting.

I don't know how many people you're, it could be, it could be an internal metal frame of

a new backpack, it doesn't mean it's, I think the, the myth is like, if I have metal,

I'm gonna get hit.

I gotta get my backpack off, I gotta go do what?

What are you gonna go do?

What are you gonna go do?

No, I'm agree with you.

I'm saying like, you're hitting a bigger audience than what I was suggesting.

I'm just saying, I wonder how many people are actually really worried about this.

I mean, I don't know, I think quite a few, well, think about like when you get caught

in a, and I think there's a lot, a lot of people who haven't been in a crazy lightning

storm, right?

Maybe they've had some rain or whatever, but when you're in like a thunderous lightning

storm, I think there's quite a few people that are like, I don't really know where, where

do I go?

Like, what do I do?

I need to go out by a tree.

Do I need to go?

Like, where do I go?

I mean, we have people in our own group that were like, freaking out.

They're like, I am gonna like leave everything metal on the ground and run away.

Right?

They ran away.

Well, away from the metal.

Okay.

So, I don't know.

You're probably right.

There's probably more people scared about that.

I guess the lightning thing is not on my list.

Like, I've been around lightning enough and I'm definitely concerned about it, but I'm

also in my mind, I'm thinking it's like the lightning stats where it's like eight people

get struck by a lightning, you know, nationwide every year.

I agree.

And most of the time, they survive as well.

Yeah.

I think maybe it's eight deaths here.

I don't know.

Eight percent, I think it's a very high percentage, I could be wrong.

Right.

I just had this tribute question on a game, I was like, 80 or 90 percent survive.

But I think it was, I think, no, that's, no, it was, it was, it was, I think it was

with no, I think it was with some wits and wagers actually fabulous.

That's a great game.

That's a great game.

That's a good one.

I learn a lot every time I play.

You got one more?

You got it.

I got a cup more.

I'm trying to think of which one.

I got, I got kind of a lot.

So should I pick on cottage companies or cottage companies trails or should I pick

on...

Who trails?

I don't cottage companies seems kind of niche.

I got, I don't know.

I feel like I got to share one of our freeze-dried food because I actually reached out to

a company about this to get their, get their kind of counterargument, I guess.

So I should probably do that one.

Yeah.

That sounds good.

Okay.

So there's, so most of the food that you get in those like meal packets are freeze-dried

food, right?

Yes.

Correct.

As a result, people assume that what they're buying is freeze-dried food and there's

some companies that don't actually make freeze-dried food.

They make dehydrated food.

Dehydrated food.

Which is significantly cheaper.

So my problem was, why is your food either as expensive or more expensive if it's just

dehydrated versus freeze-dried?

So I had a problem with that.

I'm like, it should be way cheaper because the process is cheaper.

You don't need the same machines like I can dehydrate food at home.

It's not that big of a deal, right?

Are they marketing is more healthy somehow, isn't it?

I don't think they're marketing that way.

So I reached out to one company that does the dehydrated food called Good to Go.

And their counterargument is that they fully cook their meals.

So their meals are all together and then they dehydrate them rather than like freeze-drying

individual ingredients or buying individual ingredients freeze-dried and like throwing

them in the bag.

And then they, of course, they say they have a smaller branch.

They have higher ingredient prices.

And then they use the dreaded supply chain phrase.

So you can, I guess you can make the case, right?

That's a hard one.

I don't know.

Are many people really caring about that, you think?

I think you want cheaper prices, right?

So if you see somebody who's like, wait a second, you should be cheaper.

Yeah, but we want cheaper prices for everything, though.

Not just for each of you.

I like California gas prices.

All right.

If you lived here, you would.

I only pay $5 a gallon, guys.

So I don't know about it.

Don't be jealous.

Don't be jealous.

Okay, I'm going to say maybe on that one.

I get that there's might be better crafted.

I'll be honest, though, like in terms of taste,

like there's tastes good.

Good to go is one of the good, you know, they taste like good meals,

but so do the other ones that do it the different way, right?

Right.

So I don't know.

I don't know.

Is it worth it?

You're sorry.

Yeah, I'll let a real sad.

You tell me what you think on that one.

I don't know if that's like a big deal.

Is it as we're presenting?

Is you're presenting to me?

But I see your point.

I see your point.

It is kind of a no.

All right.

I'm going to give you one that I have a strong reaction to.

I don't know if you have a strong, a strong reaction.

So I have asked people, you know, over the years, you're like, oh, hey, what's traveling

your list?

What's in your bucket list?

What trails you want to do?

Right?

And if we asked people 10 years ago, people would say, like, the job near trail, maybe we want

to do through hike at the Pacific Crest Trail, they want to go to, you know, very national

parks.

But in the last, like, five-ish years, a new trail has popped up on people's lists.

It's the, you went to Highline Trail in Utah.

Okay.

Okay.

And I think the reason why it's on people's lists is because a couple of movies have been

made about this trail.

And so just because it's serving glorified in movies, people are like, oh, I want to do

this trail, right?

And the trail, like, the beauty of the trail, like, it's nice.

But I wouldn't rank it in the top, like, 200 trails in the world.

But somehow it's making it on a people's bucket list.

And I'm highly confused about this.

And I think they're being manipulated by the backpacking matrix because they simply

watch a video or two about it.

And they're like, oh, that person did it.

Now I want to do it.

But I don't think it's really, yeah, it's fine to do.

Is it really like a bucket list hike?

I don't, no, I don't think it, but I think it's one of those things where like, it became

popular.

So now we got to do it.

Yeah, exactly.

And I got to do it because everybody, you know, I want to say that I did the thing that

was popular, right?

That's, I think that's what it really boils down to.

Yeah.

There's some things that are appealing about it.

It's relatively centrally located in Utah.

It's kind of an annoying hike to do in terms of like shuttles and stuff like that.

But it's like a relatively shorter through hikes.

That's appealing to people.

So I get that.

Collegiate loop over the high line trails way, it's like 10 times more beautiful and

a lot less crowded.

So there's so many better trails, visually, I would say as well, like some of the stuff

we've seen, I mean, you know, I mean, you could go on and on like glacier, right?

Yeah.

Even, even, even Colorado's got some great stuff and then you got you a semi, of course,

which is, I mean, I don't know, I mean, I think it's just one of those popularity things

where like, oh, it's the cool thing.

I got to do it.

I got to do it.

Or I'm not cool.

I got like some local treasure in my house.

You can make the case.

Those are nicer.

You could.

Yeah.

Okay.

Anyway, all right.

I'm going to get off my high horse.

I think that I got to cut more.

I'll save him for later.

If you want to hear more, we'll come back to it.

I don't think they do.

I think they do.

What do you get?

Some good ones.

I did.

But you know, I think it's all about that red pill.

Do you want to face the truth?

Hmm.

I don't know.

We pulled back the curtain, guys.

You let us know what you think.

You want more?

We'll give you more.

Take the blue pill I called it.

You know?

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All right, three matrix questions or matrix related questions.

And I think you're in a pass this one.

I know you said you've only seen the movies, you've seen all the movies, but just one

time each.

Is that correct?

Like so long ago.

It's so long.

Like when did matrix one come out like want to say like 99 or 97 or something like that?

99.

That's like 20 plus years ago, yeah, but if it's time, like I feel like we were in our

stage of life where you just rewatch movies a lot, right?

Yeah, when you were like really into it, yeah, I mean, I liked it.

I think maybe I saw the first one twice.

I don't know.

I don't feel good about this.

It might be.

I just remember I was in the theater watching it and it was before like it had really gotten

hyped up and they did the red pill blue pill thing.

My buddy leaned in next to me.

He's like, take the red pill and you were like, no, I'm taking the blue pill.

Yeah.

And that ends the movie, right?

That wouldn't be any fun.

Yeah, that's fine.

All right, here we go.

Number one, the matrix, the first one anyway, is considered an allegory for which of

the following stories or which of the following things, all right, is an allegory.

A Christianity, the Lord of the Rings, see chicken little or D socialism.

The matrix is an allegory for one of those.

Okay.

So we got Lord of the Rings, we got chicken little, what was the first guy's falling?

Sky's falling.

What was the first one?

Christianity or Socialism.

Oh my gosh.

This is a role of the characters trying to think of the role.

I'm going to say Christianity just because I have no Christianity is correct.

They have like the savior guy.

They have the Judas character.

Yeah.

Wow.

Look at that.

That's the hardest question out of these.

I don't think so.

Oh fine.

Number two.

Yeah.

What is another word for a matrix?

A, a grid, B, a column, C, a cipher, or D, a paragraph.

I was immediately was going to say, do you say paragraph?

I was going to say grid immediately.

I'm going to go, I'm going to go grid.

Grid is correct.

Look at that.

It's your past trivia.

Wow.

I feel special.

Not paragraph.

I was leaning towards column actually.

Okay.

This one I'm just hoping you get.

It's not a little choice.

Oh jeez.

Nio is the name of the main character.

The main bad guy called him by a different name.

Oh.

What was it?

No idea.

Can you give me?

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Sifire movie all the time.

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Currently on matrix.

No.

I I had a couple.

Got a couple.

Okay.

Sit.

Go ahead.

Well I think for the time at the time I think when I got to see I think it's the first

radar movie I saw I don't remember when it came out and I know there was.

I can't remember.

It was I think it was Termетр 2.

I thought it was so cool.

So cool.

It was so cool.

I was like, this is so cool.

Yeah.

I was on the edge of my seat and then I mean all the back to the futures are awesome

I like all the back to futures. Okay, you could throw Star Wars in there

I guess

Probably those yes, I think that's read it like like it sci-fi right like versus fantasy

There's nothing really sciency about Star Wars, right? It feels it's classified as sci-fi though because it feels

It feels it's just but it but it really is just like space fantasy

Just like I had bad features mine, but is that is there any like science behind that? Yeah, Doc Brown bro come on

Flux capacitor

Flux capacitor jiggle while like I heard somebody say like if you

So if you are wanting to send you know like at the very beginning

They send the dog like a minute into the future, right? Yeah, so if you send

Something like one minute into the future and you put it in the same spot

Then you're gonna end up in the middle of outer space because the earth is moving around the Sun

So you can't put it in the same spot just one minute the future you'd have to account for distance as well, right?

Because we're traveling at what like a thousand miles an hour. Yeah, something like that

And so I don't know that they really cover that. That's a good point, you know

I don't think Doc Brown was calculating correctly if he was they didn't share that in the movie

So we'll have to I'll have to ask the screenwriters, I guess on blue

Yeah, I'm blue. Okay. Wow. All right last thing that I got is I told you they are rebooting a TV show one

I think you're currently you're you're currently binge watching the old one

Am I and that my friend is murder she wrote

Never seen it never see it. Yes, you have what do you I don't do I never watch it like your mom or some aunt and your

Family's like we got to watch it. It's on right now

Angela Lansbury who's cuz it's gonna be the main person? No, I don't know how serious the show is gonna be because obviously like people have

Seen the radicularity of it, but so I don't know if it's like a joke show, but it's Jamie Lee Curtis

Oh really the Halloween person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, alien. Yeah, I mean I could see her doing she wasn't alien

That was so funny. We were gonna say she was freakier Friday freakier Friday. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

I mean I could see that I guess I don't know you can see her like running to murder people every I mean cuz she's older now

And it's like I could see it, but I don't know

I never was like a huge fan of the show at the time. I think I was more into like a

Magnum PI

Nightrider night, right? I watched it with I think my parents watched her my grandma watched it and at the time

I thought it was fine and then I think we flipped on an old episode. I was like, dude

She's super nosy like get like she's like going into crime scenes and she's doing really inappropriate things

Just to try to figure out who and then of course she solves the murder of course, but obviously, but you're not really supposed to do what she did

Well, I mean it's a legal problem, right? Yeah, you get trouble for that stuff

Wow, it's up to be where it's good thing. You're so straight laced

Never have that problem, right?

That's it for me. That's all I got. That's all I got guys

I'm just gonna leave it with this if you want to have a great life take that red pill. You want to have a boring life

Every day take that blue kill just like you know who right next to me deep next to me

You

Long time ago I had a flux capacitor and I

Said Carl look I can send you I can send you into the future man. I can do it. He's like really I

Want to go into the past though. I said all right. This is meant for the future

But I'll do I'll do the past for you because I'm not smart. I did it and

The goal I said why do you want to go into the past? He's like I can't really say and I said well

The honest with me is it for something to top your head that you don't have anymore to try to get more hair back

He's like you got me so I sent him back like

20 years and

He really I mean he got like a couple hairs. It was a

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