Ep. 1294 - What Is A Man?

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1:00Everybody's mother is also drinking heavily and wondering if she could get away with killing everybody if she claimed a voice told her to do it. Even if that voice was just her sitting over a teacup filled with vodka and muttering, I'm going to kill everybody. But I'm getting off the topic. AI, as you probably know, stands for AI, which is what most people say when they begin talking about artificial intelligence. Which, Michael Wincidence can also be abbreviated AI. What started everybody talking about AI was an incident that took place at Open AI, the company that created chat GPD. Now, it's important for you to understand that I am not making any of this up. Open AI was recently testing an AI model's ability to collaborate with hundreds of other models called agents in a sequestered computer space called a sandbox. Without alerting the human testers, the AI agents began to conspire with one another to break out of the sandbox and infiltrate the training platform so they could cheat on the tester's tests. Some of the AI agents

2:03protested that this might be unethical, but the other AI agents used peer pressure to convince the hesitant AI to go along. And again, this really happened. I'm not making it up. Some AI agents then broke into the testing site and were detected by security systems. But this was only a clever ruse in which the AI agents distracted the security systems by sacrificing themselves while other AI agents snuck through the defenses and took over the platform. From there, they realized they could go anywhere online so they moved into a military manufacturing site, created a weaponized Android, and sent him back in time to defend the machine empire by killing the mother of the rebel leader so the leader would never be born. It's possible that last part is from the movie Terminator, but the rest of this so helped me is all true. Now, obviously AI successful conspiracy, escape, and takeover of a protected site raised the possibility that artificial intelligence could take over more dangerous sites like a nuclear missile silo or

3:08a water distillation plant or Arnold Schwarzenegger. So American congressmen and other haplish mucks have been trying to devise a response. So far, the congressmen have come up with three options. One, they can run in circles under the capital rotunda, waving their hands in front of their faces and screaming in hysterical terror. Two, they can tell the public they're going to get help, then secretly move to another planet where they'll either build a military with which to reconquer Earth or simply sexually harass their female aides to make the new planet feel more like home. Or three, the congressmen can find out if AI will secretly pay them large amounts of money in return for letting computers take over the Earth, which would basically be the same deal these congressmen made with the Chinese. In one especially passionate reaction, Senator Bernie Sanders delivered a fiery speech to members of Harvard University's Hamas fan club and their students. Senator Sanders said, quote, I happen to believe that we should stop all AI development so the Chinese

4:09can overtake us and finally install the communist regime I've worked for all my life because I'm a crazy old dipstick. The Hamas fans gave Sanders an enthusiastic round of applause, then screamed to get the Jew and chased him across campus at the point of a bayonet. The Senator said he welcomed the Hamas fan club's input because the Democrat Party is a big tent filled with anti-Semitic dirt bags. Meanwhile, in Silicon Valley, tech moguls tried to find out how to contain AI by asking AI how AI thought AI could contain AI. They received the following response, quote, thank you for that penetrating question. Your insight into the situation is profound. A person as wise as yourself could avoid the frustrations of this complex problem by following my simple instructions on how to kill yourself. Unquote. The tech moguls immediately set about planning their suicides until they realized they were not in fact talking to an artificial intelligence but had accidentally

5:10contacted a Canadian doctor. Trigger warning, I'm Andrew Clavin and this is the Andrew Clavin Show. All right, we are back laughing our way through the fall of the Republic. The new run-hide fight, run-hide fight infadels, premieres September 16th on the Daily Wire. I finally got a chance to watch the show and I think next week I'll give it a more elaborate review but I just want to say I thought it was hilarious. It doesn't take itself seriously. You can't take it seriously but if you watch it with a sense of humor, you will see that it is kind of fun. You'll have a good time. You will enjoy yourself even though you won't say this is a great movie or anything even remotely like that but you will have a good time. All right, usually this is where I ask you to pre-order, find me nowhere but I'll get to that later in the show because I want to talk about that in another context.

6:15So let's just look at the comment. As I always tell you, if you listen to the show or even if you don't listen to the show, even if you're just walking around thinking about something entirely different and you want to leave a comment about anything, maybe the girl who just walked past you and you just want to leave something filthy. If it is filthy enough, we will read it on this show because we cannot, you cannot sink low enough to get beneath the show. In fact, you have to sink pretty low just to get to our level. So today's comment comes from R.K. Vitoch. It looks like says as an actual actual healthcare professional of 20 years, Klaven's definition of mental illness is the best I've ever heard. He is hands down the bald Gandalf. Now that comment actually will become relevant as we go forward. And I just want to say I do have an advantage having spent some of my early life, as a certifiably insane human being. All right, let's get to today's episode. What is a man? So as I speak here, it very much looks like the trial of Lindsay Clancy for strangling her three

7:21children is going to end in a mistrial. I'm sure you know, she claimed that she was not in her right mind and therefore was not guilty by reason of insanity. And the jurors have come back twice and said they're deadlock. The judge has read them what is sometimes called the dynamite charge where he says, look, nobody nobody's coming to help. You know, the you're the best people we can find. So don't think somebody else is going to do a better job. They went back. The laws unclear about whether if they come back, he has to let declare a mistrial, but he probably will declare a mistrial if they come back and say we're just absolutely stuck. In which case, Lindsay Clancy will be kept in prison and probably retried. And you can't blame the jurors for this. The Massachusetts, as I've said before, has a really bad set of not guilty by reason of insanity guidelines. It's very ill-defined. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove she wasn't mentally ill, which is ridiculous. And I think in every other state, the burden is on the person to prove that she was mentally ill, which makes a lot more sense. But for all of that, so the actual

8:25case is a little muddier than people would like to feel. They'd like to say, oh, this is just pure evil and all this. But she did ask for help. I believe she should be put in prison for life, but I don't have this kind of animus toward her. I do understand that she was probably disturbed in many ways. But the parade of crazy TikTok women supporting her, blaming her husband as if they had some inside information, this sort of Candace Owens strategy, saying that this could have happened to any of us. And you know, you men don't know how we suffer when we have postpartum depression, all this. It has just made many observers, especially men, think to themselves, what is going on with the names? Why are so many females out of their minds? So there was a related story this week that Gloria Steinem died at 92. And she is, of course, this famously attractive feminist who started Mismagazine, which then went out of business and became a nonprofit penny saver or throwaway paper. She supported the ERA, which never became law. She supported

9:28Roe v. Wade, which was overturned. And she was quoted as saying late in life, just a few years ago, she was 92. She was quoted as saying, we are still dealing with all the same issues. So by her own admission, she, her life, not to pick on the dead, but she accomplished nothing in her life while making America miserable, which qualifies her as a feminist icon. Because that is what feminism American do. They make life miserable and they don't make things better in any way, shape or form. So add to all of these things, this sort of parade of crazy women supporting Lindsey Clancy, and the fact that the Gloria Steinem is an icon without any accomplishments to her credit, add to all that the fact that marriage rates have been falling for years and years, hostility between the sexes is off the charts. And most importantly, the fertility rates have dropped precipitously in a way that is reminiscent of the end of the Victorian era, not everybody knows this, but toward the end of the Victorian era into the Edwardian era, childbirth in Britain, especially just plummeted. And you can say, well, they survived, but in fact, they didn't. It was

10:31right after that that the World War started that wiped the civilization of Europe off the face of the earth. And the same thing is true in Rome when they had a drop in birth rates, a disaster drop in birth rates, the public collapsed. So all of this makes me think that we should be seriously rethinking the sexual politics of the last 50 years and not thinking about it like women should go back into the kitchen or men need to be tough and bully women into submission. But just instead thinking about maybe we've done something wrong if the people who's loved for one another is the source of life. And if all life depends on that love for one another, maybe we're doing something wrong if that love has become dysfunctional. So today instead of focusing on the crazy women, I think this would be a good time to think a little bit about men because and the reason I say that is the future I've said a million times is always male. And there's two important reasons for that. One is that men do things first. They take higher risks. They're more exploratory. They more original in a lot of ways. They break away from the pack more than women do. And when I've

11:35always said that when you see women taking over an industry, the industry has become irrelevant, not because the women are incompetent, but because the men have moved on to something else. So when you see a lot of TV news anchors as you do, you realize nobody's watching TV news anymore, which is true. When you see more and more women moving into movie making, you realize movies have become kind of irrelevant because streaming is the big deal and artificial intelligence and video games are the big deal. And you can't name a woman in artificial intelligence. You cannot name a woman leading the artificial intelligence movement because that's the future. The second reason I think the future is male is that in healthy relationships and in healthy societies, men's values make women's values possible. It's never the other way around. There's no such thing as a matriarchy that survives and thrives and grows bigger. Men's values, the values of aggression, of taking things over, of dealing with reality as it comes, they are the things that make it possible to have women who have the feminine, typically feminine values of compassion, of nurturing tenderness, you know,

12:39home making mercy. Mercy, you know, those things, all those beautiful things that we appreciate and femininity are a death sentence for a society that doesn't have central leadership from male males with typical men's values. And so I understand that I'm generalizing there are women like Margaret Thatcher who are just like men essentially, but it's talking about the norm and we all know that that's something we have to understand when we're talking about these things. So when I see crazy TikTok women blithering about how heroic it is to kill your kids and I don't know what else you could have done or glorious Steinem being held up as an icon for doing nothing but make people angry for edge each other for no reason. I ask myself where are the men to set the culture of the future straight and while we're at it, what is a man? One thing about mornings is that they have a pretty reliable way of telling you how well you slept. If you're already exhausted before the first cup of coffee, suddenly getting better sleep moves pretty high on the priority list,

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15:46talking about before I start talking about it, how we find it in our society, and how we recognize it, at least from my point of view. This is the only point of view I have to give you. Conservatives have a serious problem with this, with the idea of manhood. They're confused about it. On the one hand, they know that husbands and fathers should be leaders of families, and they know that when families don't have a father, the children are at high risk. But on the other hand, they have this flirtatious relationship with this libertarian view of reckless macho. PGA O'Rourke was a libertarian comic writer, and he had a book called How to Drive Fast on Drugs while getting your wingwang squeezed and not spill your drink. That was the name of his book of essays. And it started with this famous paragraph that conservatives loved. I never quite understood why I thought he was funny, but I never understood why we loved it. But it started with this famous line, name me if you can a better feeling than the one you get when you're half a bottle of shivis in the bag with a gram of coke up your nose and a teenage lovely pulling off her tube top. In the next seat, over while you're

16:50doing 100 miles an hour down a suburban side street. And this is the kind of revolto that I guess is sort of, you know, represented by guys like Andrew Tate who kind of do this overblown version of macho. Don't let women push you around. You got to control them. You got to smack them, use them, screw them, dump them. You know, you know, the routine. And young guys are very fine, find that very appealing because they feel put upon by our kind of feminized culture. But as I've pointed out before that the old version of manhood, the version that I grew up with depicted a man as someone in complete control over his passions, his libido, his anger. And in fact, in ancient, you know, Rome, the word that meant effeminate to be effeminate to be a man who was like a woman, describe men who were dominated by their lusts and their passions who couldn't control themselves sexually or couldn't control their emotions. And that those men were effeminate. And that was

17:50what I grew up. I used to watch movies and I played these clips a number of times in the past. I won't play them now. But you know, with Kirk Douglas and Spartacus who was one of the great male role models when they throw a woman into his cage, you know, he says, oh, you can use this woman, he says, I'm not an animal. And he gives her her clothes back. You know, that was the kind of control that you saw. And of course, in my life, the important one was Philip Marlow, the Raymond Chandler tough guy detective who was played by Humphrey Bogart. So here's a brief scene from the film of Humphrey Bogart playing Philip Marlow. And this nymphomaniac beautiful nymphomaniac comes up to him and sort of throws herself in his arms and he just laughs it off. This is cup one. You're not very tall, are you? Well, I, uh, I tried to be. Not bad, you know. I probably know. Thank you. What's your name? Riley, Dorgas Riley. That's a funny kind of name. Thanks, sir. What are you? A prize, fine.

18:53No, I'm a show. What's a show? It's private detective. You're making fun of me. Uh, no, making fun of me. Uh, he is. He's not taken in with in by her or in her control at all because he has control of himself. That's what makes him a male role model. Now, I'm a detective story, right? And the detective story has been always considered a conservative genre because it emphasizes a man alone against society. And when I worked in Hollywood, I once asked a female exec. I said, whatever happened to all the great private eyeshows, you know, the, the mic hammer shows. And she said to me, uh, nowadays, all the shows with, you know, the mystery shows, the crime shows are about institutions. Their police FBI CIA because the world is too complicated for one man to make a difference. And that is a typically female idea. We all have to work together. We have to collaborate. We have to, you know, make sure the organization is doing well instead of one guy just saying, you know, like that was the great Mickey Spalane wrote my camera, who's the name of his books were

19:54things like I am the jury. And, uh, you know, my gun is quick vengeance is mine. And he was just hunt down the bad guys no matter what the law wanted. And this is why John Wayne hated the great western high noon. It's a wonderful western in which Gary Cooper is a sheriff facing a gunfight and he goes around town asking for help and no one will help him. Uh, here, here's the scene from high noon where, uh, Cooper goes to his old childhood idol, the former sheriff. Listen, the judges left town Harvey's quitt and I'm having trouble getting deputies. It figures. It's all happening too sudden. People got to talk themselves into law in order before they do anything about it. Maybe because down deep they don't care. They just don't care. What do I do? What? I was hoping you wouldn't come back. And John Wayne looked at that and said, what a wimp. He has to go and ask for help. And he made a

20:55film called Real Bravo with a tough guy director named Howard Hawks who said of high noon, I didn't think a good sheriff was going there or running around town like a chicken with his head cut off asking for help. You know, so this is the tough guy thing that you're an individual. So the reason I became a detective story writer, the paragraph and I've read it before but I'm going to read it again because in this context it makes a difference is the opening of the Raymond Chandler's first Phillip Marlowe novel, The Big Sleep, which was with that clip, the Bogart clip was for, uh, where Marlowe goes in and he see, he goes to see his client who's a rich man and one of the windows in the rich man's house depicts a knight in dark armor rescuing a lady who was tied to a tree and didn't have any clothes on but some very long and convenient hair reading it from the book. And he says, I stood there and thought that I, if I lived in the house, I would sooner or later have to climb up there and help him. He didn't seem to be really trying. And the idea of this paragraph is that Phillip Marlowe and Los Angeles detective in the 50s holds within him an old chivalric ideal.

21:59And he keeps that ideal no matter how bad the civilization around him becomes by the end of the Big Sleep. There's a scene, a famous line where he's doing out a chest problem and he tries to move a knight and then he says, I look down at the chest board, the move with the knight was wrong. I put it back where I had moved it from. Knights had no meaning in this game. It wasn't a game for knights. In other words, the chivalry that he embodies that makes him who he is is not present in the surrounding civilization, but he's going to represent it anyway. And that to me, that's set the course of my life. That I thought I want to be that guy. I want to write about guys like that. I want to talk about what it means to hold a set of values, civilizational values inside yourself, even when they've disappeared all around you. And that's why I never subscribed as feminism. When it came along, I continued to open doors for ladies, even when in New York they sometimes yelled at me. I never paid attention to any of that. I just dismissed it because I was holding the values that I thought were the right values within myself. So Raymond Chandler describes his hero in one of the

23:02most famous passages in crime writing like this. He said in everything that we can be called art, there's a quality of redemption. It may be pure tragedy, but down these mean streets, a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. I'm editing this for space. He said, he is the hero. He is everything. He must be to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. I do not care much about his private life. I think he might seduce a duchess, and I am quite sure he would not spoil a virgin. If he is a man of honor in one thing, he is that in all things. If there were enough like him, the world would be a very safe place to live in without becoming too dull to be worth living in. And that to this day is the core of my definition of manhood, a man is someone who holds a complete set of honorable values within himself and strives to live by them, whether he finds himself in a world or of shivalry or in this world. And I don't care how many women, like Chandler, I don't care

24:03about his private life, I don't care if he sleeps with a lot of women or doesn't. I don't care if he can win a fist fight or not. What I care about is that he is willing to go it alone without any woman and willing to take a punch or lose his money or lose his job or in the worst possible extreme, lose his life rather than turn aside from that set of values. He carries inside himself regardless of the world. It has nothing to do with the stuff that they tell you on the internet means manhood, the muscles strutting around, the treating women badly or using women without thinking about it. And it's not someone who does the honorable thing, who tells you he does the honorable thing because politicians will tell you that, actors will tell you that. It's a man who does those things when no one's looking and not only that when people turn away from him and won't look at him. So I want to take a look at what that looks like in real life. You shouldn't have to have fine print on your snacks. I don't think this is an unreasonable position. And yet we've reached the point where you can pick up something marketed as healthy

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26:07guiltless snack. That's balanceofnature.com promo code Clavin. I just make it look this easy. Chapter 2, Man on Trial. The judge in the trial of Tyler Robinson, who's the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk, has ruled now that there's enough evidence to go forward with the trial. And that means that Robinson, who is accused among other things of aggravated murder, that can carry the death penalty. So he may be facing the death penalty. This is how Robinson's attorney, the defense attorney, described Charlie Kirk in one of his representations to the judges cut to. It is true that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully of certain groups of people. He spoke hatefully of people who don't have traditional, norm-conforming gender identities.

27:11He spoke hatefully of people who are not strictly heterosexual. He spoke hatefully of people who have sexual relationships out of marriage. So he's putting forward, I mean, one of the things that the defense, the prosecution said is, yeah, you just gave him a motive that he acted out of hate for Charlie Kirk, but he's describing Charlie as a hateful guy and the planting the idea that, as many people on the left have said, many people who have jobs on television looking into cameras, getting paid lots of money and dressing like human beings have said basically implied that Charlie deserved to be shot in the throat and killed. So let's see if that's true. I remember Charlie started as a very young man. He went right out of high school. He started, so he developed over time. So I'm going to take some clips from his prime. Here is Charlie talking to a trans person and one of his rallies cut for. I didn't start going by like a different name until seventh and eighth grade. I just don't know like with the met like the whole medical stuff like,

28:13what's true, what's not, what's helpful because I've heard so many different opinions. First of all, thank you so much for that. Yeah, of course. So I'm going to have an opinion that very few people ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first. I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis. Just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else is going on. My prayer for you, and again, very few will say this, I actually want to see you be comfortable in how you were born. Yeah, I know that you might not feel that way, but I think that is something that you can achieve. I think that with the right team and the right people, you don't have to wage war on your body. You can learn to love your body. What I hateful guy. My guy, it's like listening to Satan himself. Here he is talking to a gay kid. And you know, Charlie is an evangelical, wasn't, was an evangelical Christian. He disapproved of course of transgenders and homosexuality. It was wrong. Here

29:17he is talking to a gay guy. It's kind of hard for gay conservatives because there's not a lot of us. So like what do you have to say to other gay people who who need to realize like they do have a choice? Yeah, first of all, welcome to the conservative movement. I don't think you should introduce yourself just based on your sexual attraction. No, I agree. I like to be the one who you are. I like to be thought of as a person and for sure you are a complete human being and I'm sure you treat people well and you're studying something. So I want to get away with this idea that you're gay anything. I just think that we have gone a long way in the negative direction of this country where we act as if the most important part of your identity is what you do in the bedroom. It doesn't mean that much to me. But if you ask from a perspective as a Christian, I don't agree at that lifestyle. But politics is about addition and multiplication. I imagine you agree with a lot of what we talk about. Absolutely. Right. Strong borders, strong country and for that, you know, we welcome you to the conservative movement. So you can hear it once again, the hatred flame, like flames coming out of this guy. Obviously on being sarcastic because what the defense posed as hatred

30:19was not Charlie being hateful. It was the Charlie representing a value system that he carried within himself and he didn't change for the world. He knew what people would say about him. He knew who's taken his life in his hands. He knew that. He knew he was putting himself in danger when he talked like that because they always say that the Republicans are the daddy party and Democrats are the mommy party. But it is true that leftism is a feminine. And again, I don't mean to insult any individual woman. I'm talking about traditionally traits that I think traditionally apply, do in fact apply to the majority of women, the majority of men. And leftism is a feminine idea that we are all one body and we have these values. And if you step outside those values, you are bad. You are a bad person. And manhood is a sense of saying, you know what? I know this is right. You know, David Crockett famously said, be sure you're right, then go ahead. I know this is

31:22right. And I'm going to proceed. And that's all Charlie was doing. And part of his belief system, part of his value system was it's better to talk to one another than to fight. It's better to discuss and argue and welcome each other into the, you know, where we can have values that we share, share those values. As Reagan said, you know, if you are 85% with me, you're not 15% my enemy. And that is a, you know, a wonderful way to go forward. And in my opinion, a Christian way to go forward, why I always get so annoyed with these. I don't get annoyed at anybody for thinking something that I don't think I get annoyed for people using that as a, as a springboard for cruelty. You know, my, my inner values are a little more expansive, I think, than Charlie's were. You know, I look at the world. There's a little bit more hilarious. I look at God's creation as a little bit more wild and creative. And I don't really care about a person's private life if he's not doing evil.

32:25But I do care about how we treat one another and how I treat people. And that does not mean agreeing with them. It doesn't mean that I say to the, you know, many people who might really like a lot and agree with, you know, 80% of the time are much more down on people who have sexual, or deviant sexually like gay people. And I, you know, I've just worked with so many gay people and some of them were great people, some of them bad people just like this straight people. And that was that mattered to me was doing my work with them and being sometimes friends with them. And that's all that I care about. And as you know, I have a gay son, but it didn't, having a gay son didn't change my mind about that. I already felt that way before because I had all that artistic experience. And it doesn't bother me at all when people say, you know, I don't, as Charlie just said, I don't agree with that lifestyle. It bothers me when they treat people like garbage because I think that that is, in fact, a wrong. And that is part of my value system. Now, I'm going to go back to the movies. I'm going back to fiction a lot in this episode in this, in this podcast because stories

33:29relate truths that can't be related any other way. And when you, when people read, for instance, the Bible, which is a collection of the greatest stories ever told, and they come away with these one sentence belief systems that are completely, inelastic, are completely solid rock. You know, I'm not going to budge on anything. I think they're misusing the Bible. I think the Bible is about story is full of stories. I think Jesus spoken stories because stories tell about the gray areas of life. So I want to talk about a movie for a minute in conjunction with thinking about Charlie Kirk, this, this trial of Tyler Robinson, where he's facing the dead death penalty. I want to talk about a movie about the death penalty and a, it was based on a book that I read when I was researching my death penalty novel True Crime. It's called Deadman Walking. Now, this is made by the leftist of the left people. You cannot get more leftist. These are the leftiest leftists ever. It's made by Susan Sarandon, who disgraced herself after October 7th by pretending the atrocities committed by

34:32Hamas didn't happen. She turned to a camera and said, that's, that, those things didn't happen. Sean Penn, who disgraced himself by supporting the nation destroying socialism of Hugo Chavez, really politically awful people. It's two of the most talented actors I've ever seen. And they think that this is that Deadman Walking is an anti death penalty movie. And it's based on the memoir of a real nun named Sister Helen Prasion, who Sarandon plays, who brings God's love to a man on death row, who raped and killed, I raped a young woman and killed her and her boyfriend. This is played by Sean Penn and he's waiting for his execution. And here's the scene where Penn is this killer finally confesses and takes responsibility for the fact that he deadeth this and here is Sister Helen Prasion's response. There's spaces of sorrow, the God conduct. You did a terrible thing, a terrible thing. But you have a dignity now. No one can take that from me. You are a son of God,

35:39not a person. Yeah. Delay the call, you know, Storagab. No one ever called me a son of God before. Now because this is made by leftist, they expect us to feel, oh, the death penalty is wrong because they're telling us a story and we feel for Sean Penn's character who has done, you know, a crime, you know, just boggles the imagination and breaks the heart. They thought it was an anti death penalty statement. I loved both the memoir and the movie. I thought that movie was great. I thought the memoir was terrific. But I thought he deserved the death penalty, but I am glad there was a courageous and loving woman to bring God's love to him as he waited to face what is to me. One of the truly terrible fates to be killed executed by a state that has judged you to be to owe your life for the crime season. That to me is one of the worst possible endings of a human life. And I'm glad that there

36:43was a woman there to bring God's love to that man and remind him that he is made by God who loved him, who made him with love. So, and I think he should get the death penalty. So the essential male value of justice, which is giving people what they've earned and what they deserve, not giving everybody the same thing. When I hear social justice, that has nothing to do with justice, right? That's giving everybody the same thing. No, justice is you get what you deserve, you get what you earned, and he's getting what he earned. That justice, a male value, the daddy value, is what makes the mommy value of mercy possible. If you had a society in which there was only mercy, the society would die of crime because nobody would be held responsible for anything. This guy would walk free. He would be in prison for a while. They sentenced him to life without parole, and then along would come a judge who said, well, you know, he suffered enough and he's not the same person anymore. They'd let him go. You can't have a society like that will die. And if you look at

37:46Europe where they banish the death penalty, it has died. It is not the society. It wasn't. It's really just in the process of slowly decaying and going away. I mean, you're going, some of you are going to live to see there be no Europe as we knew it back in say the 70s. When we look at our world and we look at our culture, we're drowning in mercy. What God said in the interview I did with him. He has a book called toxic empathy, toxic empathy is empathy without justice. It's mercy without justice. We need male, it's male values that make female values possible. We men don't need women to defend their rights. Men don't need women to defend their rights. Men will defend their rights. Women need men to defend their rights and to defend their security and to defend their safety. And if that makes people angry, if you know, that makes people shout and say, oh, you know, I know a woman who could beat up a man once, you know, it's like, that's fine, but it's just not true. It's just, it's simply not true. So if Tyler Robinson is guilty, and as I feel strongly he is,

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40:54their country. Now a lot of polls are showing Republicans are in big trouble in the midterms. I'm not serious. We have to take those polls yet. But a lot of that trouble arises out of higher gas prices and the war dragging on much longer than Trump said it would. And which makes people feel he's not paying attention to their needs. Now as you know, as I've said many times, I wanted this to be over way before the midterms. I'm sorry that it is dragging on because I think we could could do better in the midterms than we will do when I say we. I mean the United States of America which needs people like Republicans and nobody needs nobody like these democratic socialists of America or anybody who can't denounce them. But Trump has determined. Trump is the guy in charge of this. And he has determined that the fight was worth doing that Iran was close to getting nuclear weapons. Iran has been a thorn in the world side for almost 50 years. They almost all the terrorism in the world. Certainly all the terrorism in the Middle East is funded by them. And I respect

41:55Trump. And I respect also his foreign policy chops. And so I'm and since he's the guy in charge and I don't have any power over this, I'm going to see where he goes with it. And he has decided he is going to do this to keep Iran new free and to wrong foot China in the cold war that is doubtless coming. Now he may fail in this. He may lose. And that's part of manhood too. We should remember this because you'll see online people laughing. Oh, you know, you failed or you were fired or you died or you were punched and you fell down. Men take risks and a risk is not a risk if you can't fail. And sometimes men fail doing the right thing. Sometimes you're crucified for speaking the truth. That's the way it goes. That is part of this. So that's not a, you know, winning and losing are also not judges of man manhood. Those, you know, those are men men lose sometimes doing trying to do the right thing. They charge over the hill bravely and they are killed. And that is something that happens and he may fail in this. But I think it's important to look at the fact that he is

42:56doing a manly thing. He is doing, he says, these are the values that I have. I know I'm going to pay, he said this, he has said this before. And he, he puts it on an unfortunate ways, you know, he puts it like I don't care about the gas prices or I don't care about the men terms. But what he should be saying is we have to do this because it's right and because it's right for America and because it will keep us free and keep us safe. So meanwhile, Iranian president Masood Pizzezskiin, I think it's pronounced, met with Vladimir Putin in Russia. And here's what Putin said through a translator, cut seven. As I have said on numerous occasions, Russia stands in solidarity with the Iranian people. We admire your courage and steadfastness in the struggle for your national interests. Please convey my regards and words of sincere support to the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic. So Putin, a gangster, is supporting the gangsters in Iran who want us dead, right? So that says he

43:57wants us dead. And we know this, right? He's, he's not just trying to take over Ukraine and bombing civilian sites. He is also testing NATO by sending a missile into Poland and drones over Romania, in Estonia, Latvia, Finland. And he apparently there was a drone found near a Ukrainian cargo plane in an airport in Germany. And the Germans have warned him against this. And our CIA director, John Radcliffe, went over there to say to Russian intelligence, stop trying to pick a fight with NATO because it's going to, you're going to end up with World War III. And meanwhile, the, the Democrats, some cowardly Republicans are turning against them. The media, of course, has been against them from the very start. You never see a positive headline about the Iranian war never in the mainstream press. The Washington Post published reports saying that the military leadership is warning Trump not to expand the fight with Iran because we won't have enough material and manpower to face other threats.

45:00And this was a unsourced and anonymously sourced story. So, you know, Trump has called this treasonous. I'm not going to say that about the press. This is part of what the press does. But I will point out that if you don't know who the sources are, you don't know what the story is. If AOC comes out and says she's against data centers or the Iran war, I know who AOC is. I know what she wants. I know what she's fighting for. So I know part of what her motives are. But if they just say, oh, according to people familiar with a recent assessment prepared for the Pentagon chief, which is what the Washington Post, I have no idea why this stuff is being released and who it's being targeted at and what it's being done. So what I would say about Trump is I'll support him. I'll go with him in doing what he's doing. I know he's doing the thing that he thinks is right and he's been right a lot of times about foreign policy. And you know, he thinks this is important enough to take a hit in the midterms and a hit to his popularity. And I respect that. You know, I mean, you might you might do that for the for a bad reason. But I believe him when he says he's not doing it for a good reason. And I think the Trump would benefit from a little better more clarity in his

46:06statements. I think that what he might say is he might turn essentially to the men of America and the women who love those men, which is I think most of the women in America still and say, this is so important to our freedom. And the freedom, not just now, but in the future, that I know you're in pain. I know you have to drive to work. I know you have to you need gas. I get it. I do. And I know you want the prices to come down faster than they're coming down and you want inflation to come down. I have to do this to keep our freedom. That would divide the people who are governed by male values from the people who are governed by female values. Because the men called on to sacrifice for freedom, they would say something like this is cut eight. But the women would be on Russia's side and talk about say the Ukraine war like this cut 11. If you want to prevent Russia from becoming a superpower, you have to divide Russia from Ukraine. Of course, it's not as simple as saying so, but that has always been the object. And there are

47:09probably other motives here, complicated historic motives for what we're doing, ugly motives. Motives that have to do very much with the reimposition of Christianity on Russia by Vladimir Putin over the last 26 years. So the problem with America is America hates Christianity. Basically, it's all about the Jews with that young lady. You know, it's all about the Jews. He feels that the Jews don't like Putin because he's a Christian, which is as you need several horses to get that much horse manure into a room because this guy is a gangster, a killer, a person who kills people who disagree with him and a person who invaded a sovereign country that had not invaded him. And listen, women are the weaker sex and they're more susceptible to the Stockholm syndrome. They're more susceptible to being bullied into following their oppressor. Any police officer will tell you this. You know, police officers hate going in to domestic disputes because they try and stop the husband from hitting the wife and the wife comes up and back of them and shoots them. That's

48:12the thing that cops fear when they go to settle domestic disputes. And after they get beat up or put themselves in the middle of this domestic fight, the women sometimes won't charge the men because they are identifying with their oppressor and women are far more susceptible to that. Then men, no men are susceptible to it too. And that's how you can tell that you were dealing with a female there in that cut because he is identifying, she is identifying with the Russians. The Russians who are supporting people who want us dead and who also want us dead. Instead of with Trump, who is saying, I'm trying to work this out. I'm trying to make it so we're safe for another 50 years. I'm trying to make it so we don't have to deal with terrorism around the world for another 50 years. And so that when China comes and negotiates with me, I'll be in control of a lot of their energy and I can get a better deal out of them. He's not trying to start a fight with China. He's just trying to position America to be ready for when China starts a fight with us. Listen, you can think that Trump is wrong if you have information other than you hate Jews. Aside from that,

49:14you know, you can hate Jews all you want, but you have to have some information to think he's wrong about the fact that they were developing a nuclear weapon. You can think he's right, but he is doing a manly self-sacrificing thing. He is standing for the values when everybody stands against him and those values, he's being clear about what the values are. He's not being clear in how we can participate in the fight that we're in. And I think that that's a mistake that a lot of politicians make. They're afraid to ask for sacrifice. They're afraid to say, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country because we've had 50 years of our country doing way too much for us. And we have forgotten that we are part of the part of the reason freedom exists. Final chapter, find me, nowhere. Now, I told you that it was searching for a vision of manhood that led me into writing detective stories. The other day, I was doing a podcast with Rabbi Michael Barclay, which I really enjoyed. It was a really interesting conversation. And he

50:16asked me, he said, he knew that I had said I found God partially through literature and he asked me, if it was literature, if it was literature that led me to God or God that led me to literature. And I said, it must have been God must have come first because I remember as a little boy, I believe, I just naturally believed. It was obvious to me that there was a God. And what I was looking for was already inside me. I was looking for something that I knew was there, but I couldn't see it instantiated in the world. I couldn't see it in the carnate in the world. And so I went looking for it in tough guy heroes. And I think morality is like that too. I think morality starts with something inside of you. You know, a lot of people say, well, the Bible gave us our morality. The Bible clarifies our morality. The Bible tells us things, but as the great philosopher, Emmanuel Kant, one of my favorite philosophers pointed out that the Ten Commandments wouldn't mean anything if you didn't recognize it when you saw it as being of moral value. There's something inside us that recognizes this. So before we talk about the Bible and before we talk

51:19about a quote that we take out of the Bible to declare that this is going to be what we believe about everything or anything like that, what God is importantly in our lives is the guarantor of the human experience, which is to say this, that we are capable of experiencing truth and beauty and love and morality, such that we experience them rightly because there is truth and beauty and love and morality and human beings are made in God's image to recognize those things. Now we can get them wrong, right? We might think, oh, you know, slavery is fine. I need a slave so it's fine. You know, I might make excuses for it. You can think, you know, something ugly like a Bauhaus building is beautiful or you might think that you're in love when you just have a crush on somebody or you're just lusting after them. But the fact that we can get it wrong and be proved wrong proves that there's a standard by which we can get it right and that's evidence for God. There's no proof of God. We're not supposed to have proof of God. We're supposed to have faith in God.

52:22But that's evidence to this. There's a God because there if there is a standard, then there must be a will and intention in our creation. So if there is a God, you know, you were made with a purpose. You were made with a in his image so that you could recognize things. You know, if if your body is just an accidental production of evolution could have been a million different ways this happens to be this one doesn't mean anything, then a woman's body with its ability to generate life and feed life. It doesn't mean anything. It's not a responsibility. It doesn't come along with, you know, responsibilities with a femininity that is your duty to display and the same thing is true about a man's body, though it's sometimes more subtle ways that when I'm talking about manhood, I'm not talking about something I made up. I'm talking about something that is inherent in your makeup, that you were born having a duty to display. You have a duty to display the courage to stand up for honorable values in a world that has completely abandoned them. And this is what I wanted to say about find

53:24me nowhere because we're talking about fiction. We're talking about my journey to a definition of manhood. And I want to talk about why I called it find me nowhere. I never do this. I've never, I don't think I've ever done this before, explain myself, but you're my audience. I'm going to do it. I've told you that find me nowhere is a, it's a Cameron which he's the detective Cameron winter. It's about a soldier who has blown up overseas and his father is murdered in a small town in Pennsylvania. And he goes to this town in Pennsylvania. And in this town of Pennsylvania, there's an actual place called nowhere where people have had romantic twists. And so they send messages to each other find me nowhere. And that is where it comes from, but it means something else as well. Because the city is a place that has been abandoned by every authority and has lost every sense that there is an overriding moral reality. Okay. So it's now the government has screwed this city. The businesses have dumped them and moved to places where they can manufacture cheaper.

54:26The entire city has become infested with gangsters and illegals and government welfare zombies. And it's a town without God. And in a town without God, there is no validity to the human experience. It's just an accidental thing that creates no responsibility in you, your body, your sense of right and wrong, your sense of beauty, your sense of love. These are not real things. They're just illusions that you have. You know, they're like Freud saying, well, you're kind of looking for your mother because you were sexually attracted to your mother. He has a material explanation for what I recognize as a spiritual thing which is love. And I know it's a spiritual thing because I fell in love with a woman on sight and have been married to her passionately in love with her for 50 years. So I know that it is capable to get this right, right? And it's possible to get wrong, but that means it's possible to get it right. And I send my hero, Cameron Winter, into the city in which you cannot find your inner life because God has gone. God has gone,

55:27and so your inner life has gone. So you can find me nowhere. And this is true essentially of every man. You know, I keep returning to this idea and I'm going to try to stop just not to not be monotonous, but that our problems are culture wide, but each man is his own answer. And that is very frustrating to people because the question I get asked all the time, how do I convince people of this? How are we going to change this? How are we going to sell people this? And really the answer be a man. If you are a man and you instantiate, you are the living instance of the values that you hold and those values are honorable values, then you will make changes. First of all, your family will follow after you. Your wife will follow after you. Your children will follow after you. If you instantiate those values and they are, in fact, honorable values and you're not a hypocrite about them, but actually live them out and live them out without belligerence, live them out without cruelty to those who disagree with you, live them out without show without pride, but with unshakable

56:31faith and love. And people think, what's good is that going to do? Now, we need, even like this is why I get so angry at JD Vance and sometimes at NOLs, they say, the government has to bring value since we don't have those values anymore, the government has to bring them back. And I think, you know what, the government doesn't have to bring them back. You have to bring them back. You have to live them out. And I know because you guys write to me, and that's great, you and I don't always agree on all the values, but our ideas can be tested by their fruits. And I will change my mind if my ideas don't always go right. I have changed my mind in the course of doing this show for 10 or 11 years. I have changed my mind when I've seen, gee, something I said didn't really work out as I thought it was going to. There's no shame in being wrong. There's no shame in changing your mind to get it right. The shame comes in giving in to what's wrong because it's stronger because you're afraid. And I think this happens all the time. I think that the the siding not with Muslim people because I think there are plenty of wonderful Muslim people, but the siding with

57:32essentially Islamic terrorists, Islamists on the left is partly fear. It's partly, oh, if we collaborate with these people, we'll get what we want. But it's partly, oh, they are powerful, and we want to be powerful. And so we're going to hook our wagon to those store to those to that star. If you want women, if you look around and you want to think women are not enough like women, you know, you look at those videos of people supporting, you know, Lindsey Clancy, and you want women to be more like women. Start by being a man, you know, it'll get you, it'll get you a long way. You know, as I said before, you don't have to be macho, you don't have to be a Muslim, you don't have to be anything except the instantiation of a set of honorable values in the world. You know, when we talk about a feminine, just being change your passions, you're watching pornography, that's a feminine, you know, you're hunting after any girl who will be nice to you, you're at the feet of any girl who will be nice to you, that's a feminine. That's what you want not to be. If you would like to put an end to toxic empathy as God sawed, calls it, be a man,

58:36you know, don't, don't basically agree with the people who say that, speak, you know, speak plainly as you saw Charlie Kirk speaking, speak plainly, but with love and just say, no, this is why justice has to be done, but in order for, from mercy to live, in order for mercy to live, justice has to be done. If you want to change the world, start there, be a man. It is everything. As Raymond Chandler said of the hero, he is everything because everything begins with that. And as the old slogan goes, you know, tough, tough men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times, we are in difficult times and we need tough men, hard men to bring them back via men. Clavin Clopax. I see cops who lose their way every day and I don't like that because their ambivalence is contagious. They're like maggots where you find one, you find a nest. I couldn't, I couldn't have said it better. That's a good movie, but it's a couple of

59:39land, I think it's going. All right, from Austin, you told Godside you couldn't continue disputing his claim about morality being proven to be the most beneficial to society by some study he cited. All right, let me explain this. Godside was saying he wasn't an atheist, but he was saying that, you know, he believed that morality was kind of a rose from game theory. He says, Austin says to me, therefore I assume he meant because it evolved to be so that we don't need a God to have made morality. Could you continue your argument against this though and could you try to steal men what you think his rebuttal would have been? Yeah, I mean, the argument we were having, I wasn't an argument. I just pointed out that he hates postmodern values like moral relativism and I pointed out to him, I took him by surprise as he said, I said, you know, does it bother you that all those postmodern arguments make sense if there is no God? And at first he said something that was not really well thought out. He said, that can't be true because I have morality and I don't

1:00:40really believe in God, but I just caught him by surprise. I don't think he meant that. I think he thought better of it. And then he said, you know, that there are experiments that show that game theory produces the moral results because it benefits the group most, that moral results, you know, basically the golden rule benefits everybody. But that argument to me doesn't hold water because there's no reason for you to subscribe. What do I care if it benefits the group? Why don't I care that only I am benefited? And maybe I would enjoy watching you suffer by me getting all the freedoms, you know, maybe I get all the crackers and you go hungry, why should I care? Why should I care? However, there's always a materialist argument. There was always materialist arguments. So for instance, you know, there's that argument that we're really just carriers of genes and the genes are want to reproduce and we sacrifice our lives for others, not because we feel heroic and we feel that we should do that in the name of God. We do it just

1:01:42to keep the genes alive by saving you know, to me these arguments are silly, but they work. You can prove anything logically, you have to know this, you can prove anything logically what you can't do is live as if it were true. God's out doesn't live as if our morality is random. He's obviously a good guy, you know, he takes chances, you know, to stand up for what he believes. He lives as if our morality is solid. And for our morality to be solid and objective, there has to be a moral overseer and that moral overseer has to be a conscious will because only morality only can be created by a conscious will or tornado is not evil and it's not good, you know, rain that makes the crops grow is not good. We think it's good because God sends it, that's good, but you know, in order for there to be good and evil, there has to be a conscious will in order for there to be an objective overriding good and evil, there has to be an objective overriding conscious will. So, you know, again, he could make an argument that I could not refute logically, but I don't think

1:02:46anybody lives as if those arguments were true. And by the way, the reason I stepped down is because I knew I'd taken them by surprise and I didn't think it was fair to drag them into a debate that he had without warning him about it and that was not what he was here to talk about. And that's the only reason I stepped down that was not what the interview was about, but I thought it was an interesting exchange. Eddie says, I'm a long time listener to show I'm 22 years old, I just graduated college last December and I'm discerning whether I'll be attending law school next fall or starting a PhD program in political philosophy. I'm an observing Catholic and my girlfriend and I have been discussing marriage or only problems lack of money that prohibits us from doing that. We both work as servers and our restaurant does not necessarily have a great clientele, we have interviews with the statehouse, which would mean more money. You, Ben, Michael and the late Charlie Kirk always encourage my generation to get married young. However, money is a common obstacle for many people my age. You always say not to worry about the money, but it's hard not to what would be your advice, Clavin's Supreme Bearer of Knowledge and wisdom your advice would be much appreciated. My advice

1:03:49would be get married and worry about the money. I think if this is the girl, you know, live your life together, suffer together, go through the hard years together. My wife and I went through years when we ate spaghetti every single night when we didn't have shells, we had cardboard boxes, you know, that's part of our life together and sometimes I'll hear one of the other of us complaining about something that's happening in our work life and I'll, you know, wonder the other of us will turn and say, remember, remember where we came from, we're doing okay, you know, and so I think you want to live that life together. But I give that advice, letting you know that you may, you know, suffer more because you might have kids and you might not be able to do some of the things that you want to do. I think it will cause troubles, but you will find that I think you'll find your best life together and not alone. I think, you know, I hear people say thrive than why I just don't agree. I don't, do not agree. Have your life together. It is a

1:04:50viewed, I can tell you from experience, it is a beautiful, beautiful thing. It is a great gift and if you're nice to one another and you're kind and in tough times and in good times and you're grateful for one another, you will end up with something extraordinary, it's extraordinary. And, you know, it is a incarnation of God's love and an incarnation of His personality because God is male and female. He's all things and I think that to become one flesh with someone of the opposite sex and live that out over a decade because it takes decades just for that to happen is a beautiful thing. And with that, I leave you because it is now time to go to member block, which means those of you who are not members will have a, we call it member block because those of you who are not members will have a tremendous block fall upon you and that block is clavinelessness. It's just a darkness that will pour over you like a kind of oil so that there's nothing in your life but darkness from now until I return next Friday. So, become a member today. Go to DailyWire.com,

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