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Welcome back for another episode of Reality Life with Kate Casey.

I hope that you enjoyed yesterday's episode with Ronnie Karam about Bravo reality shows.

As you know, we're thick into the Southern Charm reunion, and also you can catch the

last episodes the season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and we deep-died all of

them.

As an aside, I hope that you're also watching jury duty on prime video.

That one is set this season at a corporate retreat.

And let me tell you, if you've ever been to a corporate retreat, you will absolutely

appreciate this one.

So again, that's jury duty on prime video.

Now tomorrow's episode is going to be about the legal fallout of the Bachelorette cancellation.

Now with me in that episode are attorneys Brian Friedman and Mark Garagost.

You may remember that they were the attorneys that spearheaded the reality reckoning.

And Brian in particular, has worked with many former bachelor contestants.

So do not miss out on that episode, and it will absolutely be one that you will want

to share with other people.

Now, today, my friend Chris Ferrer joins me to deep dive three different shows, Secret

Lives of Mormon Wives, 90 day fiance before the 90 days, and 90 day the single life.

Many of you watch the 90 day shows.

And some of you may have, oh, an occasion kind of dipped in and out.

Some of you have never watched it.

So the great thing about this episode is Chris walks us through what is going on this season

and the cast members that are on each of those 90 day shows.

So you don't have to do the research.

She basically just allows you to know all the players you can dip right in.

So the 90 day universe started with the original 90 day fiance on TLC.

Believe it or not, it was in 2014.

And I think that I may have been the first podcaster to start talking about the show.

Now the concept was inspired by the real life K1 visa process, which gives international

couples 90 days to get married once the foreign partner arrives in the US.

So naturally, producer saw this and thought, well, what if we added cameras and just

watched everything, maybe fall apart?

And it became a massive hit which led to approximately 47 spin-offs give or take.

You can go back and listen to my interview with the creator of the show.

And what I remember most significantly was that he said they really looked at it this

like as a romance show.

And at that time, he said, look statistically, we do better than the bachelor.

Then they had 90 day fiance before the 90 days came.

And now that premiered in 2017.

Now, this version flips the entire timeline because it's following Americans that are traveling

abroad before the visa process even begins.

So they're often meeting their partners in person for the very first time.

And as you can imagine, absolute hilarity.

So less paperwork, more chaos, a lot of airport scenes where you're not sure if it's a love

story or the beginning, I don't know, of a true crime documentary.

Then came 90 day the single life in 2021.

Okay, so this one focuses on former cast members that are reentering the dating world after

their previous relationships imploded on national television.

And if you watch it, you think to yourself, there's no way this person will ever meet somebody.

And you are going to be surprised how people come out of the woodwork there, such fans

of the show.

And they're desperate to date some of these most creepy people.

So basically, it's like a second chance at love or a second chance to make this exact

same mistakes, which of course happens in all reality shows.

So this one obviously is better lighting and a cocktail in hand.

So we are going to walk through those 90 day shows and the two shows this season and

who you need to know and what's going on.

And then we talk a little bit about the secret lives of Mormon wives.

Again, this show grows out of the viral TikTok community known as Mom Talk.

So it's this group of Mormon mom influencers.

They built massive followings, sharing their curated aesthetic.

This was most interesting to me because I was part of the mom blogger, kind of a Jason

world, where the most successful women that were the mom bloggers were all based out of Utah.

And I think a lot of how did you do with the way that they would share their content in their

words.

And so it would build up an audience and no one could really compete with that.

But in 2022, there was this scandal involving soft swinging within the group that blew up online.

So it exposed fractures behind this extremely wholesome image.

So of course, you think this group of people have these perfect curated lives and to find

out that they were swinging, forget about it.

So obviously producers saw the viral attention.

They turn it into a listen, like a docuseries style reality show.

And it follows those women navigating their friendships, their fame, and the fallout in

real time.

Of course, that leads us to tomorrow's episode, which is about the cancellation of the Bachelorette

with Taylor, Frankie Paul.

So we're lining it all up for you this week so you can kind of get an understanding of

the landscape.

Now, of course, Chris, who I've known for many, many years, she is a podcaster, a comedian,

a writer, infinitely funny.

And when you get her into a riff, there's nothing better.

And she gets into a real riff about these shows.

So here's my interview with my friend, Chris Vera.

All right, Chris, the first thing I have to tell you is, we just recorded, I don't

know, like two day, three days ago about Secret Lives of Mormon wives.

And I text you with an update, tell the good people listening what they need to know about

what's going down.

Well, first of all, there's even more.

So just so you know, Zach, I want to say the following things, Zach has almost been

a full front attack about Connor.

He even like does little videos about how he should be taking up magic and everything.

And we're like, Jen and Zach hate the hell out of Connor and Whitney, which makes no

sense for everything that's happening, except paint them in a very loosery, like jealous

face.

Meanwhile, Whitney, of course, is like going on Miranda has come out in so many ways.

She came out and said that no girl released the video and the way she said it made it

open up to the possibility of life where they get into problems, you know, loose slips.

It's the phrasalogy we can, we've all watched enough true crime documentaries that we can

link, break that down.

She almost made it seem like either it was Dakota, Tate or wild card Jordan.

Well, we know it as a man.

We know someone probably in their orbit.

And I don't know, three days from now, the juice will get out.

Like obviously, even now, like 10, even when we're recording this now, I still kind of

thought that Bachelorette was going to air.

Well, it's there people that still think it might end up on Hulu.

Well, yeah, absolutely.

And you know, at the same time, I think that people are also calling for Miranda and Leila

to be like, dual Bacheloretts.

And there seems to work though.

Now Gabby, listen, Gabby's a huge star now, true.

And then of course, Taylor Frankie Paul has been still on her phone, like commenting and

sharing things and then people were like, Christine, like a people are like, girl, what

the fuck?

Get off.

What are you doing?

And she's like, what am I supposed to do?

Stay at the wall.

And we're all like, no.

It means in a treatment center.

Here's the thing.

I've said it before.

She's addicted to the feedback loop.

This is the problem if you get an influencer and she was mega successful before she was

even aligned with the Bachelorette.

You're basically like, I think this is like a modern day addiction template.

Like this is like the worst version of like the fame addiction.

And this is what we're watching out in play and it makes me really sad because I don't

think she can walk away.

It's worth.

They're going to have to create facilities where you cannot get access to a phone for a

very long time.

That's so true.

Yeah.

Like obviously we are in a world now where we go to a live event and there's little pockets

they'll take and put your phone to lock them or whatever and there's got to be something

like that.

But definitely, yeah, she's online looking at comments and it's scary.

Yeah.

My sentimental school, they have yonder packets where they could to school.

They put their phone in a sleeve and then it gets like a stapled shot and they can't

get access to it.

Like until you leave school and you put it through like the security badge, you've

can't get access to it.

Yeah.

But in her case, I feel like she can't be around anybody that has a phone.

It's like that real addiction.

She's going to find I think and I'm optimistic that if she does take a break, she might

actually feel some sort of relief because I don't think she's so deep into it.

She doesn't realize how bad she needs to be on that phone all the time getting constant

comments.

She doesn't even care if people hate her.

She just wants people to be commenting.

True.

But at the same time, there are, I mean, an army of people that have her back in every

way and are just like championing her and I think that she's heavily reposting those

people.

So it's a echo chamber.

Yeah.

Okay.

But the big development is they seem to all be moving here.

So what do we feel about that?

Well, you know, make sense because there's not that much to happen in Utah and it seems

like a great storyline because then all these lovely moms who came from that cold,

culture now have to contend with almost like a fish out of water style.

Oh, it's like best.

It's my favorite.

It's a storytelling device that makes sense, you know, like a new locale, especially gives

like a freshness to the season.

They're going to need a fresh energy, you know, I'm assuming they're also following Whitney

in New York on Broadway.

Like I'm assuming.

Well, they should.

Yeah.

It was interesting though.

I was surprised even how they handled that.

Like if we remember, there was the situation where she was like, I got a call from Chicago

and there was a huge thing where Jen had found out about that, but then didn't tell her

like, congratulations.

And then later on, we see a whole scene where she gets the official phone call like you

did it.

It's interesting though that they didn't show us any little rehearsal or any like audition

or like, you know, she truly had a big social media presence.

So I understand if there wasn't a lot to do, and she obviously could dance.

But I like know in my heart of hearts, the girl had to send a voice note of her singing

a couple of scales before the broader producers just to be like, I can do it.

And I still would have loved to hear that voice note.

Yeah.

I mean, at this point, I think the batch thread is just another example of it is long.

In this ecosystem, it's like, unless if you have over 5 million followers, you can have

anything that you want.

So I want that.

You want to be a professor?

Okay.

You got over 5 million?

Done.

You want to open a fashion line?

You want to open a beauty line?

You want to make a stupid sweatshirt set named Dairy Boy?

Do you want to make a pajama line?

I mean, I got to be honest with you at this point, I'm surprised that we don't have doctors

that never went to med school, but they just have over 5 million followers.

Well, we have wellness influencers and people who are told in a line where they're about

to get like a jacket and a stethoscope and be, you know, working at the hospital.

I'm going to prescribe you raw milk in some sourdough starter.

I think it's important that you start there.

You're like, oh my god, what?

But I mean, this is like, I think this is just kind of showing you.

Well, maybe this is the pendulum's going to swing so far the other way now where it's

like too much.

Well, I'm not, yeah, I don't, it's interesting because people want, I think influencers

that are not so like heavily out of touch.

I think that the era of aspirational like overconsumption and wealth is done.

And so as people like want views and clicks, it depends like it's just interesting on

what trends.

And I think that that's kind of something Taylor did like she isn't, everything is an

aspirational with Taylor or the, you know, the mom talks, it's the opposite.

You know, and she really hangs her hat on being authentic, of course, we're like authentically

get yourself some help, you know, like sincerely get yourself help.

Like that's, you can't just be like, I'm real when you're just really toxic.

But don't you feel like even the algorithm of TikTok, I'll be going through and it'll

be someone like, hey, I just found out that my mother-in-law bought my kids like a train

set.

And I have hated my mother-in-law since I met her and it's creating a lot of problems

with my husband.

I'm like, you just put this out on social media, like people don't care.

Yeah.

So the authenticity pendulum has gone way bananas.

Yeah.

It's, yeah, the oversharing without like any sort of rhyme or reason to other people involved

in your story is hard.

Okay.

So speaking of oversharing, I wanted you to come on to talk about 90 day because you are

so deep into this.

And I have dipped in and out, I was very into it in the first couple of seasons.

And then I, like, I take occasional dips, if you will.

And you are so devoted to this show.

You know all the ins and outs, all the personalities, their histories.

And I need you to tell the good people listening what they're missing out on with two specific

shows and just kind of break down who's important what to follow.

Absolutely.

You know I'm an astronaut.

And I have been orbiting the 90 day multiverse for a long time.

Yeah.

Help me buzz Aldrin, honey.

I go to different planets.

I stake my little claim.

I like take my information.

I move on.

I, that's me.

I'm very mystical.

Yes.

We're going to talk about 90 day fiancee.

Right now there are two shows on.

There are before the 90 days, which we know happens when the couples have barely met in

real life or something.

And they usually, the foreign person is not in America yet to actually start the visa process.

So that is how we get before the 90 days.

And then of course, 90 day has another offshoot in its called single life where people that

we had followed before.

Or guess what?

It didn't work.

And now they're single.

Here's the thing.

I do know a lot.

And it's so interesting.

We can talk about this later.

I wish I didn't have brain fog as much.

But I have notes.

So let's get in.

Okay.

The couples from before the 90 days, and these are all of the mean, I'll tell you a little

bit about everyone.

There's a brick.

He's 52.

He's from California.

He sells pick hair and Trisha.

She's 25 from Madagascar.

She is so beautiful.

So beautiful.

25.

Wow.

Yeah.

Now, I don't have to tell you this part.

But here it is.

Wow.

With fake abs and a weak constitution, honey, who found like a beautiful squirting

doula that he calls his malagassy queen, but only wants her to raise his kids and

doesn't want to have kids with her.

Oh, that's a hard one.

That's a hard one to do this.

She sent him a squirting video and then he came to Madagascar with a whole tarp to

cover the bed and then talked about how expensive the tarp was.

Help.

That's true.

That's a real true thing.

Okay, so just help me deal with that, that happened.

I can't make that up.

No, when that's happening, you see this for the first time.

What are you doing to take your phone, do you throw it across the room?

I pause.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm glad you asked.

This, okay.

It's a two hour show.

Yeah.

And I get to watch it without commercials and by the way, the problem with that show I

think is they have a scene and then they have a commercial break and then they do half

the scene.

So really, the show was only like 17 minutes long.

It's just like kind of recapping the last, but what happened the episode before the commercial.

Yes.

Yes.

So even if, even if I do get the screeners, which means they have no commercials and

I watch it at 1.2, a two hour show that is supposed to be one hour and like 20 minutes

for me takes four hours because I have to pause it one billion times to allow whatever

happened to settle in my bones because I can't even hear what comes next if I get information

like that.

I have to like pause.

I feel like Chris, you're okay.

No, yeah.

That's what he said.

You're good.

You didn't send a sporting video, Chris.

You're fine.

No, no, no, no, no.

You're good, Chris.

I'm a very big empath.

So that's I think another thing.

Yeah.

I usually have to like, pause and deal.

Pause and deal.

Okay.

So let's move on.

Then there's a Viva 26 from Arizona and stick 30 from Belize.

Okay.

He's hot.

So is she?

She gives like Y2K deaf sister.

I mean, she looks like Haley deaf, honey.

I mean, like there's like bucket hats and she has like huge square friends.

Nails.

I mean, just like French tip square, like you haven't seen a very long time.

And he is actually like a sort of successful singer.

And that's like the first time you ever had that because there's so many people on the

show that it's like a musical artist and we're like, oh, yeah, and they show you your concerts

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Well, don't you remember, like, Usman?

No, even before that, there was the boy band singer and the girl Chelsea from Chicago broke

it up and she was like, the, you'll go, oh no, and broke up the band.

Singer from Belize.

Are we talking the same, like, are they like performing everywhere, are they the star

of the country?

Belize all knows him, honey.

He's very good looking and, you know, he has like a thing.

I don't know if, like, American Beletians know him as much.

You know, I don't know if he's, like, transcended, but he does come and play sometimes in

Texas.

Here's the thing.

The entire time they've talked about breeding.

And we think that she's pregnant.

He was like, I just want to breed you and she was like, and we're just like, yeah, wow.

Okay.

And this is the star couple.

I'm about to see the star couple of the entire season.

Okay.

It's Lisa, 51, Pennsylvania.

She has a daughter named Faith.

We don't have Faith that she's married.

We're in Pennsylvania.

Are we talking?

Do we know?

No.

I mean, maybe.

But do I have to say to me a lot?

Okay.

I'm sorry.

I can find that out.

And then Daniel, he's 39 from Nigeria.

Oh.

Okay.

Yeah.

No.

Tried and true staple trope.

Here we are.

She is a pansexual five times divorced lady who sleeps and wigs to please him.

And he is a proud eagbuman who despises lesbians and short hair.

Oh, you would not be on his radar with your short hair.

I know.

I mean, I don't practice lesbianism, but if he was around, I would grab and kiss the

nearest woman just to have him not ever touch me.

You know, I'm saying straight up.

And long hair.

By the way, long hair.

We mean like crystal gale like we need to meet me like dust in the floor or just like

shoulder length.

I mean, you know, he likes, he, she has a thick ass head of hair and it's not good enough.

Like her hair is a little shorter than my, but no, he wants, you know, he wants extensions.

He wants them more men extensions, you know, maybe she has to go to Jesse J. Honey or

J.

Right.

You know, don't ever cut the extensions.

Don't ever blend them on.

You just install the full 23 inches just right to your head, you know, by the way, quick

question for all of these couples, how are they meeting online?

What's going on?

Yeah.

So they met online.

Everyone met online.

Everyone met online.

Yeah.

It's wild.

You just meet somebody and you're like, I don't care that you live on the other side of

the world.

And we have nothing in common.

This is really going to make my entire life happen.

Connecting.

There's a profound loneliness that I think is.

Yeah.

And no one's connected now.

As we said, people are so addicted to their phones.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Where are you going to meet people?

If you're on your phone scrolling all day long.

Like, hmm.

By the way, I met my husband online like 20 years ago, so it's crazy and like, yeah.

We were like one of the originals of the match.com.

I don't know at this point why they haven't put me in a commercial.

First of all, match.com should be sponsoring your entire podcast.

I've contacted them.

I don't know why.

Interesting.

Well, I did.

But I did suggest.

Are they still around?

I think they are, but I did suggest to them.

Why don't you have my husband and I standing in the middle of like the screen and then the

kids are all screaming at each other and then they look at the camera and go match.com.

Are you sure you want this?

So maybe it wasn't what wasn't necessarily in their plan.

They could have come back with a counter idea.

Now, here's the thing.

I'll tell you what wouldn't work.

If your husband grabbed you and kissed you like how Daniel kisses Lisa, which is tongue

fur.

That's the one you sent me.

That's the picture you sent to me, the visual.

The kisses have been remarkable.

And I'm going to say this.

I have studied them like a professor and I'm going to say they are not Lisa's fault.

He devours her.

But early on, she was like, you said you were going to devour me and you did.

And then I was like, oh, yeah, he knew what he had to do.

He was like, I have 30 days to get this woman with the ancestors say it's going to save

my life.

I'm going to throw her parade.

The minute she gets off the plane, I'm going to eat her whole face.

And then I'm going to make her life a living hell so she thinks that I'm a prize.

And he does.

The minute she gets there, he's just like, you have to get all of these people to say

yes to you.

But the thing about it is, you know, yeah, he doesn't want to be with a woman who's

been with other women.

And that's all she knows for a long time.

Okay.

Meanwhile, her daughter is like, do not get married to this man.

And she's like, I won't, Faith, I won't.

I'm not going to get married.

Don't even worry about it.

And like the first thing that happens, she gets at the plane, he's like, will you marry

me?

And she's like, yes.

Oh, no.

Yes.

Yeah.

What kind of ring are we talking about?

I mean, I think you can imagine a showstopper so that's part of the reason.

Okay.

I think that when she pays for him, you don't even know how.

Okay.

I don't know how she pays for him.

She doesn't have any money in America.

And we don't even know how she's giving him money there.

And on top of that, she has come with brand new away luggage and two P sets that look

like they're new.

She's actually somewhat styled for this.

Maybe she got some.

Listen, sponsorship deals are coming to a lot of influencers and influencers, it's on

the scale of it.

You'd be surprised.

Somebody could have three followers and then all of a sudden they get like a brand deal.

I can't get anyone to put money in me at all.

Why?

But she gets new sluggish.

I mean, I had to pay for my away luggage, honey.

Yeah.

Okay.

So listen, we don't know what's going to happen with there.

But by far, they are like unbelievable.

And she had to like come clean with him and be like, I love women.

And he had to be like, no, you're so evil.

Let's go talk to the ancestors and see if they can still work.

We're like, oh my god.

The worst part wasn't me coming.

I'm telling you.

At one point, he's had to have her be like, here, meet my uncle, hear me this elder.

Hear me this spiritual person, hear me this king.

Hear me this king happened where she went into a warehouse.

And then there was a man with a team who Simba, with the jeweled eyes, felt on his shirt

and like she had to like bow down to him.

I had to pause there too.

And then I had to wait 45 minutes for myself to catch up with that scene.

It takes me so long to watch this show.

I hate it.

I love it.

Help.

Yeah.

Okay.

So next couple.

Forest and Chino.

He's 32 from Oregon.

We have two Filipino ladies, so happy Filipino ladies.

So and it's great also because my editor, Christina, is Filipino.

So she's given me like so much information and she actually, okay.

So for forest and Chino are neurodiverse peeps, honey, they meet in a Facebook group.

Okay.

God bless.

She has a whole last practice.

She's a veterinarian.

She's like, yeah, I don't like fucking people.

But I do like animals.

And I get to work for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love the dogs.

She was in the Philippines.

Obviously she makes money.

The whole thing was forest was like, has a mom.

Forest has a money, Molly and Molly does not have any sort of boundary with her son.

She's like, good talk about sex or whatever.

They're going to go to the Philippines with Molly's husband named Dev.

And Dev is the star of the show.

Okay.

Dev is Molly's obviously husband.

Dev says two words throughout the entire season.

He only just kind of looks, but at one part, he's like, one time there was a moment where

I was working a construction job and every day for lunch, me and my friends would go

to the step club and they had the best burgers I ever had.

Sure.

I love it when a man goes to Hooters or a strip join, but they only talk about the food.

Okay.

Sure.

That's it.

That's what's bringing you back.

Okay.

Yeah.

They've got a great happy hour.

I mean, you were just like, oh my God, was it like a smash burger?

Was it like pink on the inside?

Like how are these burgers?

Was there a secret sauce?

Well, it's a real onion, sure.

Yeah.

Of course.

So anyway.

But the thing about it is like force is the whole time in Molly have been like, she has

lied to us because she keeps saying that she's going to save money for the visa process.

And every time she thinks she's saved of money, she says that her parents forced her to give

them the money.

And we don't understand what's happening.

But now as we move on to the story, we realize force doesn't have a job, hasn't actually

given any sort of money.

Because she is neurodiverse and doesn't have the confidence to be like, bitch, I'm in

a culture where I give money to my family.

And this is her, I'm the female.

So I can do her the hell I want with my money, you being the male and the American should

get your life together and talk about your money before you come for mine is like what

she doesn't want to say.

Meanwhile, they have just gone to like a Filipino immigration lawyer and forced ask a bunch

of questions that made us realize he does not know what the hell he's talking about.

He's like, hey, yeah, so what's the process of getting her to America and the Filipino

lawyer is like, well, you need to have like $27,000 in income is like, okay, well, my

disability is about this much and the lawyer is like, oh, buddy, I said income.

Your disability benefits don't count as income.

You cannot take money from the government and be like, that's the money I have to bring

another person in.

That's also going to survive out that money.

I don't know what's wrong with you.

And force is like blink blink, okay, well, it's a $27,000, you know, the dual income

that both me and Gina has to have and the Filipino lawyer had to be like, nobody, catch

up you as an American.

If you want this person to come over, you need to be making bringing in $27,000 a year

you.

And it seems like that was the first time you heard that where he had responsibility in

this.

Yeah.

Okay.

Elise and Josh.

Now, do you remember Elise?

Elise was on hunt for love.

She was like this just random cast member who worked it so hard and became like almost

like a series regular in hunt for love and then parlay that into now being on the show.

She is.

Wow.

Ethan then has like a friend of a housewives who worked their way up in the cast member.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I met her at the, I went to the holiday party for 90 day fiance by the one in New York

city.

Yes.

Yes.

Look at you.

I know.

Listen, I say nothing.

No one gives me anything, but sometimes the universe provides.

She sprayed me down with bath and body works spray in the bathroom like we were 14 year olds

in like 1997.

It was like a raspberry rush anyway.

So.

Okay.

So she obviously met this guy.

She's 32 from Florida.

And she is like a, just like a very vain, you know, like Bill or Lyft girl, you know,

with like a bunch of bags that are designed or could be fake, could be real.

And she met this guy named Josh from Australia and Josh says he's 39, but oh my God, no.

Okay.

I'm telling you, I've seen the skin and I mean that skin is not 39 and I'm so funny.

It's like why I love when a man's lying and I love when people lie and they are like

I'm 39.

It's like, oh, yeah, you just want to be right underneath the cusp.

Right.

It's kind of like selling a selling something for like $9, $9.99.

I'm 39, 99, right.

Yeah.

But he at this point is make yourself $38 and 54 cents.

Yeah.

Like, what is it?

Yeah.

He has nothing going for himself.

He in the sense that he doesn't have a place to live, he doesn't really have a job.

Okay.

It seems to be like a complete like fuck boy from Australia who has his best friend in

Chris.

They both like lift weights and drink, if not do whatever kind of like all the time she

gets there.

And she like does not understand to me that he doesn't have like the money that she wants

him to have.

So she like he supposedly rent an apartment for her to come, but he couldn't afford an apartment

by himself.

So his friend Chris is staying there and Chris like definitely in him have made a plan

to just feral it up with her.

She has to be like warmed up to it, I guess.

So she just keeps being like, I don't get why you are living with Chris.

It's like, oh, he can't afford not to like she just keeps making him want like, it's

so interesting.

He she just wants him to be like, I'm broke.

Yeah.

But he finds that a masculating so he won't do it.

Hmm.

God bless.

I mean, we're not quite sure what's going to happen with that, but moving on.

There's also Laura 47 Washington in a person named beer con 26 from Turkey.

She's a fantasy writer who totally didn't want two men to fight over her and in her fantasy

one is a hop rooting Turkish man.

No, who only wants to protect and provide for her and the other being her like BFF pickle

ball buddy who like could have locked her down the entire time, but didn't, but like

now she wants to feel jealous and like for them to both fight over her but in reality.

That Turkish man's like an unemployed gambler who's $50,000 in debt and who only will just

smoke she shut and the other guy doesn't really like her for some reason.

Oh, I know.

There's also Emma 28 and Zaya 27 Morocco.

Now they're already gone and he's already like dropped her and then she tried to go back

to like her first Moroccan love named Mohammed and that guy also didn't work anyway.

So she's a Kardashian kind of like person, but like him in 2010 in that she seemingly

is obsessed with being like a jasmine, although she's not, no, no, any Moroccan man's

Aladdin and like leads heavily with like her looks and her titties and she like doesn't

understand why like these deeply religious men don't treat her well.

Oh boy.

I know.

Yeah.

She also wears wigs.

I mean, in the wigs are even more intense than Lisa.

Her wigs make Lisa's wigs look good.

She wears a wig honey that is so far down her forehead.

Like I have a big forehead, right?

Okay.

Yeah, I do.

I have a re-honest eyes forehead.

So like here's the thing, but it would be as if I started a wig right here.

Oh, yeah.

And then you watched it like all and then on top of that, the white line that would be like

the parting line.

She just took orange bronzer and was like, wow.

And she just constantly touches her hair and she is obviously really wanting that aesthetic

life.

She's like a Shaqina or Shaqina, you know, there's a certain kind of, you know, lady that's

into this.

Having said that, I love her.

I mean, I think she's funny.

I like a lot more of her.

I think that she like balls for the wall.

She like doesn't seem to like have any awareness of where she is or what she wants, but

I kind of like, well, okay, you want to be on TV and she certainly does.

I mean, she achieved it.

Yeah.

She did.

Okay.

So a last but not least is Javan and, and a Lynn and again, another, she's from the Philippines.

So they got married a long time ago, like six years or four, I don't know, let's just say

sometime between three to seven years ago, I can't remember the exact number of honey

brain fog, but they never met.

Oh, they like got married so do you know this?

I know it's like zoom right now.

It's as if we just brought on a minister and that minister was like Kate Chris married

well, which if you want that to happen, you tell your husband, honey, we'll drop it

up.

But I'm like, can I work this into like a side job as an efficient?

I know.

I am a minister of the universal life church.

You are.

Yeah.

Of course.

I love love.

I never made anyone I, which is unfortunate.

I feel like I would just really, I would really make sure that you didn't, but last.

I think I'd be a really good.

Yeah.

I would be hard on your soul if you felt like it didn't, like, didn't work out.

I would take it personally.

You would take it.

If they divorced, I would take it personally.

Yes.

I'd be like, not on my watch.

So, okay.

So they marry online and it's fine.

It's legally binding.

I guess so.

I don't know in the film.

I mean, I don't know.

See, this is it.

So he works for like a care center and he early on was like, I don't, I, he literally

was like men want six figures, six inches, and I don't have any of that.

We're like, oh, oh, he's really tall too.

So we're like, why are you telling on yourself like this?

We would assume you wouldn't be like that, but now we know, you know, yeah, no.

He also seemingly has been influenced by the manosphere or manosphere style.

I think men are easy.

Manosphere style podcasts.

I know there's a lot of them.

I think we just got confused.

But basically is like women get too comfortable.

And so men have to make sure women aren't too comfortable so that they don't think

that they can start talking up and leaving.

And also it's like kind of that thing where we think that he picked someone perhaps

that he thought was going to be demure and silent, you know, and also God bless.

She's Filipina.

So it's like you're gross and she's not, she's fiery and cracky in like firecrackery.

She's not cracking.

I'm sorry.

She's fiery and firecrackery.

She's awesome.

Her mom is like, lovely.

She's really funny and she's putting up with him and we hate that for her.

It feels like she doesn't understand why he's not like a cool, fun, loving person.

And it's because he's kind of angry and like sarcastic all the time like it.

He's just not it, you know, and I think that she doesn't, it's like she's kind of realizing

it, but we'll see what happens.

We love her mom.

So does that bring us to the next show?

Yeah.

It does, honey.

So it's good that I started with that because that is before the 90 days and then soon all

these people will be on single life.

This is their future.

This is where they go.

They always know.

Yeah.

Colt and Courtney.

Okay.

My name's Coltie.

Remember Coltie from Debbie and Larissa?

Oh, no.

Forget that guy.

That was such a weirdo.

I know.

I'm not sure.

We're ready for this.

Courtney was also like a long time many day fiancee person.

She like had to do some guy from like Spain or whatever.

She has a big blue eyes or whatever.

God bless.

Do you remember when I say Courtney?

I think so.

Okay.

Both of them are on hunt for love.

So again, I go to the hunt for love party.

Well, I went to two parties for none of the day fiancee.

One with the holiday party and I did go to the hunt for love party.

I remember this specifically.

So the hunt for love was like, you know, they're like that's a herm paradise situation

or whatever.

It was like they brought on other singles that like had never been in the universe

like Elise God bless.

But on that show was like Tiffany and Rob and Usman of Kimberley was there and Usman

and Courtney likes sort of are trying to have a thing and we were like, absolutely not

Courtney.

But basically Coltie was there and then Coltie breaks his leg on the show and then has

to be off the show just like staying in some hospital and Courtney basically leaves the

show to stay in the hospital with him and they forge a relationship and then like, okay.

So that's what happens on hunt for love or like, oh my God, how is this real?

And then at the end, it's like he's going to go home and condolence and Courtney's home

or like, oh my God, this is a really bad situation.

Now Chris Fair will tell you at the hunt for love party that obviously what happened

at the premiere after this, Courtney and Coltie did not talk the entire time.

They were not talking.

And I remember being like, why aren't they talking?

I mean, I remember being like, oh, clocked it.

And then when I watched the show, I was like, well, they hate each other now.

Okay.

So now we're watching them on single life, which I think happened after hunt for love

but before the party that I went to, he has been staying rent free in her very, very

kind, overly nice, too nice, overly polite, like family's home in Florida.

Oh boy.

Oh boy.

It's a broken leg.

He has a small penis.

He can't get hard.

He has ED.

And Courtney has been like taking care of him and everything and the entire time he's been

talking to women.

Of course he did.

Of course.

Yeah.

And she, she finds out.

And it's like the best monologue ever, it deserved a Oscar where she was like, my friends

told me that he was cheating on me.

So I go home and he's laying there, but his phone's there and I take his phone.

I don't know his password.

I try a couple of passports and I'm like, no, and it locks itself and I'm so bad, but

then I try one more.

And it works.

And I get there and I see all the messages, dick pics and everything.

If he's sending them some other person, and then she, oh my God, she tells them what.

She's sending that to women and women are like happy about that.

I don't understand the board.

For women in Brazil.

I mean, they're just like showing that to their friends like, oh my God, who's this loser

sending me this stuff?

There's not a woman in the world.

And I go beyond our, you know, the boundaries of United States of America, the world.

Who wants to receive a text message like that?

No.

Again, she just, she just tells him she's like, you fucked up after all I did for you and

you have a small dick and you're telling other people that you're going to be with them,

you piece of shit.

And then he's like, yeah, well, yeah, I did it.

And then honey, he's in a wheelchair still.

So we have to watch her slowly and squiggly roll him back to his motel room.

He's now staying in.

No, I mean, like, I had to pause the stairs, push him down a ramp and like, call the

day and walk away.

She's a good person.

I'm not.

How?

I'm not.

I mean, obviously.

Okay.

But yeah, we, now we're like straight up on like, oh my God, Courtney, I hope the next

whole part of single life season is about you like enjoying your single life because

it's funny because we, this is like, they weren't, this is like the Courtney that went

to Spain and he, and she would like hung out in the apartment all day.

Yes.

Oh, Courtney, you would not think she's learned nothing.

Well, that was like 14 years ago.

I know.

Here's the thing about Coltine.

I hate this so much.

I've, there is something not threatening about him.

She and him are both on a television show where they can have a very shared experience

that their life has been changed by this random television show.

I know, but that was 14 years ago.

So she needs to just like move into the new century.

I don't know.

Like that, that, that defines her that she was on this show and she was humiliated by

that guy.

I remember he didn't come back.

I know.

But I mean, I feel like he was the judge on the page and show.

I remember he was the judge and he like left her back at the apartment.

Yeah.

She was so young then though, I know, which he hasn't learned anything.

Well, I think that she tried to like get with some guy that she thought was like less secure

and therefore wouldn't leave her.

But maybe what happened to that guy that she did meet from Spain when she was going

on with him?

I mean, oh my god.

No, I have no clue.

I'm going to never have to find out.

Good for you.

Like, honestly, I didn't care about it.

Like his face weirded me out.

I hated his whole like, remember how he was just wasn't it a weird apartment to remember

that?

Yes.

But I don't worry.

I do have a weird update about an old time couple from Ninevefeon's at the end of

this.

Okay.

So Kim Bali is on the season two.

Of course, Kim Bali was with Usman.

Kim Bali had a whole glow up.

She was in San Diego.

Now, she has a son named Jamal and Jamal's in the bad boys with a bunch of other people.

Jamal had dated Veronica of like Tim and Veronica and also now he like works with Rob

and this guy named Josh was with Natalie for too long.

Natalie Crazy Eyes Natalie because there's two Natalie's now.

There's Natalie with blonde hair, right?

That was with Big Mike and like, she, it was, you know, Ninevefeon say gold.

And the fact that she's none of the show now, not on single life makes me feel like

something happened where she's unfortunately person on grotto because like no one is

more entertaining.

Okay.

There's another Natalie.

Now she's with Jane.

Now that makes me upset.

Go back to Kim Bali.

This entire series.

It's about how Kim Bali shared a whole like ass thing.

She was in the army.

She was with a man, right?

Back and forth within the army and she had a son.

We know his name to be Jamal.

But before Jamal, she had two other children with that same man and gave both up for adoption.

Oh, wow.

A good older son named Larry also all from this one Larry.

She named her son Larry.

I know.

Well, did she or did that happen?

We're not quite sure if she did or someone else did.

Okay.

So the first part starts with her like being like, I had to tell Jamal that I had given

up the son for adoption and then she meets that son Larry and now has to tell Larry

that there's a middle child too that she gave up for adoption.

And I will give her this like, it's very brave to say what she's doing.

Obviously, 90 feet on say is a huge audience and a lot of them are female.

I can't even imagine that her with like the way that these are coming back.

Yeah.

I know.

Of course.

There's no, there's no, you know, women have however many options in this world and

she doesn't need to hear about it every day.

She probably goes through this every day.

Yeah.

If she had revealed that she had two abortions by the same man, she would get hate as well.

I don't think that yeah, you're going to get hate all around.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So we're like, okay, I mean, it's a lot of like this and we're also like, are we going

to get back to her dating?

But I'm maybe this is like her trajectory of writing these wrongs.

But at the same time, she's being very brave.

Now, someone we do not need on the show at all is Geno, Geno is back.

Not what Jasmine Jasmine is gone, but however, they brought back Natalie, who is this

like kind of hot.

She's very pretty.

She's the bunch of cheek filler.

I know, has brown like long as a new Jersey, you know, Italianie kind of like hair.

She had gotten again assaulted by his ex-wife and he did nothing.

And then next scene as we start, he's back hanging out with her and she's like, I just wanted

to give him a second chance.

I'm going to invite him to see my friends.

And then when she invites him to meet his friends, he's like, yeah, I like Natalie, but

I'm still talking to women in my DMs.

And then so she's like, fuck you, he leaves.

And the next scene is like, I'm back at Michigan.

I wanted to give him another chance.

And we're like, what, what, what, what, what, does he, I mean, does he have a big dick?

We know a lot of things.

No, he doesn't have a big dick.

Second thing is Geno won't pay for anything, literally not anything.

No, no.

This makes sense.

Yeah.

He is not interesting.

It's hilarious that he's on because I'm happy Jasmine is it, but I can't believe

that producers are like, you know what's watchable?

Geno sans Jasmine.

I feel a tremendous amount of empathy for the crew members of this show because this is

a hard one to film.

Do you think there's like therapy groups for the, can I help myself like that?

Yeah, because this is a hard one.

You probably can't wait to go back to your life after you film, you know, any of these

cast members for a couple hours.

I feel like you go back, you hug all your loved ones, you like his anyone that's like

ever like been good to you.

You're like, thank you so much.

I think so.

Okay, last and certainly not least, Vania's back, honey, Vania's back and she's like a belly

dancer, you know, God bless, but she's like, you know, from Eastern Europeans are used

like an Eastern European belly dancer, and you can do with that with you will.

And she loves bold bright colors, loves purple, won't blend her makeup is seeing her life.

Like she loves nicks, just like stripes of purple on her face, you know, it's a lot of

jewels.

She like Elise has like a propensity to want to be in a relationship and that energy leads.

So the whole time she's like talking about how she has this friend and she wants the friend

to like wake up and be a boyfriend and girlfriend with her and the friend is like this really

sweaty man that doesn't want to be with her and has a really high pitched voice and she

sort of just like, well, take me or leave me and he would leave her, but she pressures

him to like pick her and so he does and we're like girl, what?

And then she's on the internet, it's being like, I don't understand why everyone says

I'm just desperate and we're like, because no, we don't want to be with that sweaty man

and you're making it seem like you have a person on earth, yeah.

That was the end of single life.

Let me tell you right now.

Do you remember Anna and Marcel?

Marcel was like a Turkish beekeeper who loved Turkish pizza, he was like, oh, my God,

you do.

Yes.

Honey, she went balls the wall, bananas on internet and he's like, Marcel was cheating on

me.

He paid for escorts.

I mean, is that a start to the imagination?

No.

I guess that you use the word escorts.

Well, it's generational.

Oh, is it?

I would love her to be like, he paid for cortisons.

When I think of escorts, I really think of that this is like me like, Heidi flies, I

think of like, you know, of course, like of course, like, ashe, honey, you know, I have

like a, like a, like a way, like a way, like a way, like a way, like a way, like,

definitely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I don't think that Marcel was dropping like $1,000 an hour.

No.

No.

No.

No.

But again, once these people go on a television show, they've got some riz, but just really

is takes people.

I don't know what's going to happen.

They had made a whole bee business, a whole honey business is called you doing the bees

and they had had a brick and mortar.

Oh.

You know, love isn't real.

One time I went to a baseball, a baseball game for my son and I mean, he played for like

a year or two.

I don't know.

But I met this lovely couple that said a bit next to me and they had a, like a bee

hive and they invited me to their house in Corona or like Riverside.

So I went way inland.

I told the kids one day, we're going to go and to this person's property.

And we did and they lived on a cliff and it was like you took like an ETV all the way

up and it was literally like a cliff.

They didn't have any Wi-Fi and like coyotes came and in reflection all the years later,

I'm wondering why I did that because we could have been murdered.

Did you make the kids learn how bees make honey?

Well, he did and he did show the kids and we didn't get so high to go, but why I just

met a stranger and I drove way inland to a property that was like off the grin.

I've done that.

Well, one time I was working at Real Food Daily and I met some guy and he's like, come back

to my house and we'll hang out and I didn't ask him where he lived and I was in West

Hollywood and I started following him and he got in the tent and I was like, no, yes,

that's a problem.

It's a problem.

My fault.

Why my fault?

It wasn't real.

Anyway, did you follow all the way back or did you turn around?

No.

I started and I lived looking, I know this sounds so.

This was so long ago that I'm like, oh, hi, my yeast, yeast of where I was honey, I don't

know where that was now.

I never went back.

I blanked it out.

I can't believe I'm alive.

And I can't.

I'm happy you're alive, too.

I know.

Well, the worst part is that was in my older years where I like, you know, started a family

so I subjected my post-match years.

Your post-match years.

Your post-match years.

Your post-match years.

And my children to that experience as well.

Listen, we try and we learn we make mistakes.

We don't know.

We got to investigate ourselves with a little compassion, honey.

If you are going to go down to the beach and you run into one of the secret lives of

Mormon-wise, are you going to offer them your, your, just to be your, your shoulder to

lean on?

Should they need some help?

Well, I wouldn't.

Depends on who.

No, Jen.

All right.

Yeah.

I would only want to talk to really Michaela, Leila Miranda, Jessie kind of scares me.

Yeah.

Jessie scares me.

A, she has really beautiful eyes.

It's kind of her eyes, but also her energy.

Yeah, I wouldn't, obviously, TFP, I would run, I would run so far away.

I mean, I would, I don't mean, I don't do those.

I think I'd start crying.

I think she scares the hell out of me.

I mean, I also get, yeah, I'm, I'm a scaredy cat.

Oh, I'm not.

Yeah.

I hate confrontation.

For some reason, I think people think that because I talk fast, and I'm opinionated

that like, I have balls and I don't.

Oh, I know.

Sad.

I think I'm too confrontational.

I need to, to like calm down.

But we're opposites.

Yeah.

Which is good, which is good.

And my husband is like, really nice and, and believes in people in the world around

us.

And then I come in and I, I really do believe that everyone's operating some sort

of lifestyle scan scam.

Everyone's in their personal MLM.

Yeah.

I'm always just like looking for the other angle like, okay, what, what, what else do you

have that you're trying to pull on me?

So it's good.

It's a good match.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That honestly should be your match.com commercial.

That's it.

He believes in people and I don't believe in anyone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ah.

And then they pay Paula Abdul for the song opposite to track and that's how it ends.

I mean, it's millions.

I bring back the whole company, you know?

Yeah.

Ah.

Well, thank you for bringing this to us.

Where can people follow you and all your stuff?

Oh my God.

Thank you so much for asking.

I'm at Chris Elfair on all the media platforms like I have a lot of fun on that TikTok

honey.

I'm making a lot of 90 day stuff on that TikTok, but I'm also on Instagram honey.

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Not every sale happens at the register.

Before AT&T business wireless, checking out customers on our mobile POS systems took too

long.

Basically a steering contest where everyone loses.

It's crazy what people say during an awkward silence.

Now transactions are done before the silence takes hold.

That means I can focus on the task at hand and make an extra sale at two.

Sometimes I do miss the bonding time.

Sometimes.

AT&T business wireless.

Connecting changes everything.