EP. 218 Ultimate Tree Dog League

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Let's start out this slow.

I don't know why we started it, I've had more questions, why would I want to have

a 1-1 format that I have really any questions, you know, and the answer to it is, you can't

really find the true winner when it's, you know, as well as I do, sometimes it's, unfortunately,

it's two or three against one, you know, and in 1-1, that puts all that out, especially

when the man carrying the scorecard doesn't care who wins.

Correct.

I want to say non-hunting judge, absolutely.

And we choose our judges pretty wisely when we can, I mean, and that's really the main

reason for it is for that right there.

There's, you win, you won, you know, so.

Yeah, there's at least no question there, and the best, best dogs are going to be entered,

you know, in my opinion, people are going to enter the best dogs they got.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah, that keeps you to where they're putting the, like you said, they're putting the best

dogs out, instead of just trying to run up numbers instead of playing the game.

No, just they're doing the numbers game like, well, if I, if I take five dogs or three

or four dogs or whatever, you know, over the course of hiring many hunts, you know,

eventually we'll get lucky.

No, it's about what dog is really hunting.

Correct.

My god, correct.

All right, guys, I'm putting, I pushed that red button.

We are recording now because I didn't want to miss any of this, because I'm serious.

I got, I'm thinking I was like, they're fixing the jump off and we ain't going to miss

none of the good stuff.

So I got to, our intro is, everybody knows who we are already, we're in 80 countries

around the world, plus hundreds of thousands of listeners and downloads.

Man, it's just, this thing has grown so much.

So now tell them who you guys are.

Don't introduce yourselves and tell them what we're doing here.

All right.

Go ahead, James.

My name is James Timbrook.

I'm an owner at Ultimate Tree Dog Association.

What we do is we run one verse one format competition nine hunts and then we offer one dog

goes.

We have dogs.

So.

Sweet.

And then I'm Eric Mealy, the other part of the Ultimate Tree Dog Association.

Like James says, the one verse ones are main format and we do do the dog shows too for competing

dogs.

I think it's a good format and it's taking off really well.

Yeah, absolutely.

I've been, I've been trying to watch a little bit and pay attention as much as I can.

I'm like, hey, these guys got some going on here.

So.

And, you know, I've known you for a long time now here, you know, quite a few years ago.

Anything that you go into, I know that you are not going to have access.

I mean, you're, you're going to go all the way in and you're going to do it to the best

of your ability.

And I'm going to try the best of my ability, absolutely without a doubt.

So for, for you listeners out there, like, this is not some little fly by night, deal

that's just popping up.

This thing is popping off.

It's what's happening.

Correct.

Correct.

So, so tell everybody I've known James for a while too and he's the same way he's going

to go all in and do the best, best functions that we can do.

Well, we'll tell everybody where they can find out, you know, and look into this because

you're going to have people listen and the first thing they want to do is they want to

pull it up and say, okay, what is this?

You know, best way to go on Facebook, to our page, we're working on right now.

We're working on getting the website up, honestly, this thing jumped up and took off so

fast that I think Eric and myself both were kind of like in a hall, you know, we really

wanted to give it a minute to see if, you know, how well they took to it.

And I mean, we're just now here at the beginning of March and we already got dogs that almost

got two and three thousand dollars one really just in the first of a year, I mean, it's

just phone call after phone call from close wanting to hold them, you know, wanting to

hold them.

And we've been, we've been, we've both been running ragged really trying to, we try to

make every hunt the first time they have so that we can kind of make sure that they don't

need any help, you know, because we're going to help every every bit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess.

I had a judge didn't show up, but you can bet that me or Eric one's going to be there to

throw our line or boots on to go do it.

Right.

Absolutely.

Right.

We're there.

And so I mean, how, how, how big is this point, how, how much is this, has it covered

so far, like other states or you guys just, well, it was sticking to an Oklahoma right

now.

Or what's going on with that?

We're really just, we're really just going to go wherever again, wherever it takes us

to.

Eric, so if I can have one in Texas, I know, I've got four right now that's out of state.

That is, that's coming up to be put on a schedule, I'm just waiting on club addresses and all

that good stuff.

So.

As soon as I get those in though, I'll, I'll be posting them.

So.

Yeah.

And then we got Louisiana.

I think our next out of state coming will be Louisiana, which is in Winfield at the.

Or else event.

Yeah.

At the Uncle Earl's.

Hey guys, y'all listening is out there.

If you're able to go.

It's, it's not this kind of week with the next week.

And so let's say we'll have this out next week.

It's the 16th of what 24th somewhere in there.

Yes, I believe it is somewhere in the 16th through the 24th or 25th and they'll be.

It's the whole week, man.

You got to come see it.

They're tall dogs that there's so many vendors.

I mean, Jake Lukano, he doesn't, he doesn't.

Excellent.

What Heather does a really good job.

And Jake talks about it.

I mean, they really said that very well.

Now, man, listen, hey, it's a, it's a big team down there that puts it together.

It's a, it's a big show.

And so this is going to, it's going to be amazing to have this platform there.

I don't want to have a three in contest.

We'll have bench shows, three in contest.

And we'll have the night hunts also.

It's going to be huge and we were able to do it in Texas.

And it combined very well, because you do have dual hunters out there.

Yes.

Or rabbit hunt and coon hunt.

So it's going to be a big event for everybody is what we're trying to do.

Make, you know, family involved everywhere.

Yes.

We got a good youth program.

Well, we, we, we hope, honey.

Last, I think it was last Saturday or Saturday before last, and there's a guy.

He has got a strong little walker, man.

I mean, and that's the dog I was telling you about one last time we spoke.

The dog's name is Willie.

And I told him I said, bro, you got to bring him.

He's like, man, I said, well, listen, if you're not bringing him,

I'm going to take him and I'm going.

What are you like?

You just figure it out.

I don't care because like this is, this is real deal hunting.

This is, yes.

You know, this is, I'm not a big time coon hunter by no means.

But this is my style.

If I'm more competition hunt, so this is what I'm going to do here.

This right.

Right.

What you guys got going.

That's what I wanted to do.

Correct.

And you know how big I was into the hog hunt and everything and the dogs I had.

And I went one time coon hunting with dogs and I haven't stopped.

I was hooked.

And it's a blast.

And I'm glad we're able to bring it across the board to everybody.

Yes, sir.

With the ultimate tree dog.

I mean, it's making it to where everybody can get involved and compete.

James, James, how long have you been, what kind of dogs do you hunt to?

What breed and how long have you been doing this?

Well, I'll tell you what, man, I've been, I've been coon hunting since I was big enough

to talk to the world I guess.

On anything that.

Man, that's a ton of.

I color blind.

I don't really care what they say, our.

I am a bit more partial to the walkers because I mean, you're talking.

More than you want to do.

Inhh.

Yes.

so all nine more. My granddad he raised walker hands and that's just that's

just where I was at you know so I've competition hunted since man I was real

young when I started competition hunting man I mean I I come up with some of

the best and they were they were in their prime I guess you know Timothy

ball and belt and haul and all them guys Gary darns my grand all them guys I

I don't understand when I was just I'll just feed you know so but anyhow I just

I've just always got admired the one-on-one anything sport-wise I mean it's

clean cuz it's more clean cuz I mean myself I think you taught myself in the

competition hunt draw that with the buddy of mine I mean which way do you

think I'm gonna lean on something like that you know when it comes to making

decisions about trees or decisions about this you know obviously I'm gonna be

more partial to the buddy well you know it's just more than things you take

that out of the way yeah and I think there's a lot of people that with that

would say you know all know man I I'll call it straight as I can and in your

mind you are but in reality man you tend to you know you might not I ain't gonna

say anybody's gonna cheat I don't mean it like that but you might give a

little bit bigger benefit of the doubt if you grew up with this guy and you've

hunted with him for 20 damn years right right you know what I'm saying and then

when you're out there on a cast that like here we're at you've got this one

fella he's he's gonna he's a hunting judge and then he's got his two cousins

or his nephew and his brother out there and then I got a hunt against him yeah

how do you think that goes you know right family beard here we go yes sir yes

and then and honestly that's why I do not have a cut that is the one reason I do

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right and you know we try and take that equation I have the whole thing with the

non-hunting judges at it it's been really good and you know where we can is

where we're gonna have all the non-hunting judges all the bigger months and

as many of them as we can there's be a few I'm sure we can't something might

come up for a judge and one of us will have to fill in yeah yeah for sure and

we try to keep we try to keep people on and too that you know they don't

necessarily cune hunt but they know the rules and you know I mean we say our

judges they they they take it as a job they go out we call them hey you know

we got judges not gonna make it they're gonna get my boots my life I'll be

there that's right I and some of them in cases I mean Eric keeps a truck full

of lights and boots just in case somebody they got a lot of that well I mean

that's that's that's called you know being on hand that that's that's what it

takes to do these things so some guys don't understand that they think a lot

of them think we're crazy they think guys like like Eric's crazy they're like

man why do you got all these lights and this and that I mean because you're

prepared shit I mean you've been where you needed them and didn't have them at

one time I guarantee you yeah absolutely yeah absolutely and you know or you

got a youth hunter hey my life broke or whatever here you go bubble that's

right you know and then they're not discouraged and not wanting to hunt now they

still can go hunt and have a good time so what's the what's the entry fee like

on these hunts and what kind of yeah most of the time we try to keep it at a

hundred dollar entry you know and really we kind of call that our bottom-end

hunt we can we can do them lower but the money really isn't the biggest part of

the deal the the biggest part of the deal is as you come hunt and you get a

point you get points for winning and those currently in the 16 so for the

world hunt at the end of the year and those top 16 dogs go to the playoffs and

then you'll come down with your two high-score dogs that'll be your first and

second world champions they'll go head-to-head for placement you know and so

all year long you know for a national hunt or a state race you're hunting to

get your place in the world hunt and use our hundred dollar entries they pay

out five hundred bucks they can split if they want but in the case that they

split whoever had the highest score is noted the winner but they do not get

points okay I got yeah that's just a thing I can make if they want to deal with

that I mean that's they that sound better than me didn't it and don't give me

wrong because like I said it's not all about money like I said but about your

dogs and everything but when you do a competition there there's a reason why

you're competing you know whether whether it be just a just ego you know

some some people are like I just want to win or if it's if it's the hey you

want to try to make a few bucks or or if you just want to push that dog and

promote it and study it and and sell your line of dogs later but that to me

that's better than a thirty dollar huh you know you got correct you want

against you know twelve to twenty dogs on you know what like we have wins the

night hooks around here and you might win sixty dollars you could you could

win seven you're eight you could but but like you done hunted all night long

against three four of the dogs you know right so I think you know five hundred

dollars over a hundred dollar huh I you know I like it way better yeah

absolutely and you know you know you're not hunting against a whole pack you're

you're one dog at a time and third round is the winner you know what I mean

that's right yeah that sounds best sounds like you just get stuck there and you

know you're working towards the end of the year Super Bowl I mean we got Super

Bowl at the end of the year you know so that that's gonna work out really nice

oh yeah where's that gonna be held in oh sorry okay we're working on the

location right now we've got we've got three or four people this one and I

think that's really gonna be kind of at the end of the year surprise to where it

ends up it'll definitely be in Oklahoma this year but it will absolutely be

up for grabs more or less the state that has most for people in the event is

probably where there will be happening yeah so and I rotate them that point on yeah

yeah yeah and then you know we have other series going on to between the youth

youth series and then we'll we'll be having a belts a belt buckle series so

that there's a lot of stuff coming in the future and coming quick yeah our youth

program is going to be really good to do a lot of good sponsors for it and putting

together a really good youth program because that's the only way the sports

gonna keep growing without a doubt you got you got to have those young ones in there

you know and then you teach them to on the judging and you know hold clinics

for judging and stuff like that and certify them judges too I think every

sport needs that needs to have some type of clinic or training for judges whether

whether it's youth or not you know just in general because like what I mean

we've run into that in the hog bay in world where you've only got just a

handful of good honest judges and it's hard for them to make every event and to

be there the whole time right so you know we need to we need a few more right you

know you lay down a foundation everybody stops the same way and certify the same way

yep and then there no issues of filling them all that's exactly right so when's

a so what what dog are you running air bull bull with yeah he comes from Reggie

skating he was spread out often so I would come from Reggie Skanks how's he

been doing pretty good he's been doing really well he qualified for the TOC

tournament champions he was in the top 16 for the UHA so he's he's doing really

really good he's a traveler he likes to run though

you're walking you're walking boots on like you don't want to yeah but now he's

in a game dog for me and I really really really do like you I just want to take

about him every time you get to him he's gonna have eyeballs looking at you yeah

yeah I will have eyeballs looking back at you that's the main thing yep yeah

so how many how many huts have y'all had so far that you know well I think we've

probably had what 10 this year I think right at 10 yes I think y'all rolling

on yeah well he was planning on when we first started he was thinking you know

just starting out maybe like a couple of months or something and and then that didn't

happen no so they but I mean if they want to do it we're gonna do it yeah I don't know

exactly what you mean you've got to satisfy the masses yep so how do you have it do you

join into this kind of like a registry deal or you just sign up for each time well we got

membership yearning membership and that gives me a chance to get everybody's information that

will often keep up with all their earnings their dogs their dogs will actually can get

titles and everything else for right now in there got somebody working on a database right now

to where we can start registering registering dogs with pedigree pup litters that whole nine yards

so we're working on that right now uh soon as that gets done then there'll be no more yearly

membership for the dogs only the people so after that they'll pay one flat fee and that'll be to

register their dog and that'll be so and then they'll be in the database permanently yeah they'll

be in there permanently yes yeah and uh yeah the membership on the person we're gonna we're not

required that every year um basically these were all of our our stuff people with it in time to

keep them up to the new things yeah and then you know we can know the growth of the company and

everything you know by doing that also yeah so they yep that's uh right now we've probably got

around 60 members I guess all that's yeah so it'll keep going throughout the year I guess hopefully

and we'll see where it goes boy yeah it's gonna grow I guarantee you these these folks get to

hear this because I I know there's a good bit of like you said there's guys that they're we talk

mostly about home dogs actually we talk about everything on on this podcast but

you know I mean like we talked about shit we should supposed it was shouldn't even be talking about

but at the at the same time you know like you said a lot of these guys they hunt something else

because like certain states like wildlife and man deer deer season we can't we can't run a hog I

mean they're very seldom can you and then turkey season will ship down so I mean I can couldn't

hunt during those times you know so um there's a lot of guys that they they run con dogs or they might

have con dogs and and squirrel dogs as well you know and right I just think that this is gonna be

more along the lines of what guys that hunt would be more interested in to turn to competition

and that's what we're trying to gear it towards and our tree and contest and bench shows also will

have you know titles and and prizes and everything you know for for the shows and the tree and contest

and that's been really good and fun for a lot of people you know that's done it for the first time

they didn't even know the dogs could do it and got involved in doing it and like yeah this is fun

I want how do I get involved you know that's what it takes it's got to have something to to something

new something fresh to get people's attention because a lot of guys have been they've been

doled by the same old same old you know they're like man it's yeah that's what everybody else is doing

in the same yeah same old thing just a different name right yeah and if you notice it seems like

the same old people do win all that you know but I tell you this one on one stuff it's it's I have

people can pull out one of them behind the barn con dogs that's never even been to a hunt and come

and probably win with it yep yep I mean this is it's designed for real con dogs we we do not

wear a plus point club so registry so you got to have plus points to win so I like that they got

a three times we're going to get the competition a three in cones now if you go out there and you

don't three cones you don't win you know yeah I mean that's the first time that I was involved in any

type competition we were on a daytime squirrel hunt and I got beat by minus points

but what what what what do you mean and they were like well because now the place that that we took

the dog somebody else is handling my dog but you know but at the time it's like so the place we

went like we knew there was very thin game there there wasn't much and that's one reason why

we chose it it was a hunt off you know it's like okay it's what we're gonna do and this dog slick

tree several different times the other dog never never did tree right don't you know it did not

tree and so they were like well this dog has this the I was like well how's that a dog that slick

tree and be the dog that says hey there's no game here exactly like that when I say there's

and it wasn't that the dog wasn't hunting she would go check this same tree that this other dog

would check that other dog would just tree on it you know and we could never find any game I

was like yeah that that's something I was like and by the end of the hunt nobody had tree

score nothing was ever tree and so it was like I didn't understand that I was like how how's

that work I thought we had to this is a you know we we need to see some game and that's when I found

out about like with the cune stuff I was like so you don't have to see the cune now like oh no

you don't have to I was like oh well then I don't want to do that you know yeah and that's why

ours is plus points I mean I just like I said I I agree on you know having to see a cune at the

end and you know we just roll our stuff to the next show or the next you know the next hunt

it just it grows that pot I like that you know it changes the game up uh you know

you can you can you can draw a whole dogs and and in this being plus points there are a lot less

app to do that uh I can take a dog that I know is going to tree on dentures uh and go out there

I can take you I know you've got a solid cune dog and this and that and we can go somewhere where

I know there's not a cune in the country and I can sit there and rack up for 500 circle points

and win with it yeah uh and that's that's just not the case here one goes one yeah I did that

blew my mind that that kind of stuff just blows my mind that that people just build blows my mind

well because there's people that would you know like you said they're intentionally going to do

that so that way they can win on circle points for sure and I was like well the faint no

meat up there that's a negative it's a madness baby yes absolutely but no I'm really digging the

whole the whole concept because like I've talked with air just a little bit on this and I didn't

know how everything was laid out and like this I really like this if I think there's quite a few

guys that I'll get into I believe so too um as we grow um everybody's going to grow with us I

think it'll be really good I enjoy it and if you're competitive if you're competitive that one

verse one is going to make you really be more competitive um how can you do call out can

tell somebody out yeah yeah yeah we do we do call outs and we manage the entire event

for them uh some of these guys don't want it aired live some of these guys just want

prefer to have it just one on one and we've already had a few of them uh and you know uh more

less it's what so far it's just kind of been for fun there's not been those serious rival recall

outs other than I think Eric's made one uh but uh yeah call out we need to reel yeah

yes we did that's who I think yeah that's what I'd do I'd call him out he said I heard he's got a lot

as cool he did he's got the same weekend as Earl so we can't do it that weekend but we'll

schedule a date after that hey he just he don't he don't want everybody see what's going to happen

what it is but it's got to be Randy handling his own dog there you go but my dog and he's got

the handless dog gonna be non-hunting judges hey hey hey well Randy he's you know from what I say

and I've talked to him so I'm too like he he really enjoys the content you know he's yes really

I'm glad I'm glad he does yeah he does and uh I've talked to him here and there but yeah we'll

re-schedule our date we're gonna try and do it at Earl's and Elvis is gonna be at pkc world on

that belief yeah yeah uh we've had we've had a few of them and uh like I said so far they just

been kind of for fun you know couple of boys just you know I even I've even had one call and say

if you get someone just wants to have one on one with somebody I'd like to do so you know the main

kind of a wise deal and uh and we we entertain that too uh we do take a percentage of the pot

because we get the non-hunting judges and we supply everything the hunting

oh yeah everything so uh we put them in good hunting too and the last one we did I think in one

hour they seem like thirteen or fourteen game okay uh so I know I know some boys here in Alabama

thinking they make a few phone calls but we don't have this one here in Alabama

yeah it sounds like a plan I got I got property and and they look here they're more and

well from just to go eat it and they's coons they they's thick coons and then there's some places

that it's pretty thin came you know and literally on the same property we can go to one end

and bro I'm telling you they're there there's coons heavy coons and then you go to the opposite

end of the farm and I mean it's thousands acres but you go to the opposite end and you better

uh you better have them lay still I got northern northern Alabama far around the lot yeah man I

tell you what I'm not getting you blood pressure check whoo pretty sick pretty sick baby oh man

I said when I left there I said I ain't coming back I ain't coming no no no no thanks for me I like

them long calm hills oh lower than mercy it ain't dead baby come on now that's that's it y'all

what y'all what was y'all hunting out of the hay ramp couldn't have come over for man you know it's

been a long time ago I really I bought a young dog from a kid up here and I I come to get it and

he had me made him at a at a place over there and uh he said man uh my brother didn't show up he's

supposed to handle thousand for me I said I said well my plan on staying the night anyway

if you want me to I said you had to show me a video or two of him you know so I know what he

sound like yeah and well he provided video and I watched it nothing well he'd be fairly easy to

call you know so uh we went to the woods and uh man it was pretty nice but I could tell by looking

at the distance they could get pretty hairy yeah and man I thought I turned loose I'm telling you

eagle is locked in four high and he left out of there man some of these man oh sorry boy

yeah I bet you know all of them are all of these dogs here man like you said it's

it's just like the hogs and everything else they're up and down these mountains all the time

these big hills and haulers you know and them some of the goods I'm gonna tell you put them on

some flat ground they most of the time they're gonna run past them couldn't you know they're just

happy yeah they just run and they're like hell this ain't bad and uh which which hell most of us

are like getting uh we we get guys that come up with us all the time and and they sing me and I'm

I'm six foot tall and I weigh 260 pounds you know and they're I'm pretty good size filler and

and I'll hit them heels and they're like are you gonna be okay I see you just you just keep up with

me young and then we get to the other side you know now that it ain't easy for me you know by no

mean he's hell I'm 50 years old down now I start going up at other side and I look back and they'll

be way down in here I said oh come on there kiddo sir but I'm gonna tell you it's different

I already tell by what you talking I ain't keeping up with you all right listen that boy man

Eric knows Nate that and Nate he uh Nate's in good shape he does marathons and ultra he's doing

it ultra marathons now I don't know why but it's what he's doing yeah I asked him my sister

he was the public chasing or what's happening he's like now that I'm just gonna run 15 miles

today I said what the hell fuck yeah yeah but but the other day when we went down there and we

had that old boy home in the creek he throw that rest along the shoulders and he goes up

side that mountain and when I videoed a little bit of it it just shows him walking out of this

little drainage you know and what people don't realize is it's it's just straight down it's like

350 yards straight down now where the hog was going by your Garmin or your tracking system it was

just a touch over a hundred yards and that that's straight across you know and I'm telling you

man him oh he was aware you out oh yeah oh Josh Neff he was here with Hyderia USA and uh

he was going to stay in hunt from but he got here Wednesday night he was going to hunt till Sunday

at seven or something I think it was uh or six six o'clock Saturday morning he texted me he was

like hey man I wasn't trying to do an Irish goodbye but I I'm gonna head on on

I said damn son you didn't even have fun yeah he said he said he said he said lower them

heels he said he said they will humble you I said well yeah they will look here but

but I love to have a good hunt like it on some of these properties and you know just people can

see some people can see some some new terrain if they're not used to it and for the guys that

argues to it well hey they know what to do right we we are trying to right now we're trying to get a

hunt put together and I think we've just about got it put together for New Mexico wow yep

we we made our phone calls and uh we've talked to some people out there and and I think we're

about to travel out there and uh and that's that's that's good stuff well I tell you there's

competitors out out west man they've got some knots knots dogs to display and there's just not much

as far as competition out there you know um I've hunted with some of their some of them some of

the folks out there's got they do a lot of bear hunting but they always got a dog that just

didn't want make a bear dog they kept for the tree cune my land you talk about a cune dog really

I bet they got to have a pretty cold nose you know a lot it's a real dry air it aired humid it's not

humid it's real air it oh yeah they can move they can move a track they can move around the country

and they can flat tree cune a lot of them that I seen come from out that way and up in the mountains

and stuff uh I've seen some nice ones that that they're they're going to be on board here for too long

and uh and they're going to be crowding into that top 16 dogs yeah they're going to be hard to beat

yeah they could somebody could very well run in the one of them in the in the playoffs you know so

you're exciting yeah I never want to dream that really you know like from from that area but it

makes perfect sense you know what you think about it yeah yeah them them type dogs out there

they're really good dogs oh yeah yeah like I said I mean this is this is the kind of this is

the kind of hunt that real cune dogs want you know so uh I've seen you know what sometimes

in a cast uh and I was the one packing the tree dogs that pull it all the circle trees you know

and in my hole in the dog didn't have cune but I would say because I had a hole in the tree you

know and uh something else's dog wind up in there a mile and a quarter tree right after the

hunt was up and get in there and that dog had cune you know and in my opinion that was the best

dog that night yeah you know all right but I wouldn't because I had the most trees the most

possibilities of it be okay yep you know uh so it's just one of them deals uh so or the root or the

rules about this about the same uh you know or or go over them right quick later everybody kind of

know what's happening with that they're really uh let me let me get it all pulled up here so I don't

say it up long oh that's fun yeah I uh they're they're they're really not uh they're actually quite a bit

different because it's only two dogs yeah so

but yeah joe you need to start thinking about a date so we can have an Alabama one yeah like for real

well that's what I said here uh I know I know a few of the guys uh the bigger name guys that's

been in the kudos world for a long time and some of those guys I think would be very interested in it

of course you know a lot of a lot of mrpkc and ukc guys across right uh but I mean they're they're

open they're open to hunt they don't they want to hunt right right so I'm gonna I'll get with a few

of them and say well we can't stir up and or I'll just I'll whisper it to them and then they

they could talk to you guys right absolutely you know and we'll light it all out I think it

would definitely be a good time right but um I do like green contest you're gonna be really good

too because it gets something else to do while we're you know waiting on the hunt and stuff like

that yes that's uh that's uh that's always a good thing at any event is to have something else

going on constantly right oh yeah you know uh the terrier trials that we we're holding out there

and and Tyler Texas that was one of the main things we always got commended on is because there

was something going on nonstop right we might have five events going at the same time but it

yep they're simple anybody you could bring your your pup if if you had a pet hound old you could

bring it and you'll do it you know right and it gives people a chance to be involved like you said

you get we had bench shows we had confirmation uh we had uh tree in contest we had high jump

we had uh we had bayon we had a tunnel activity we had uh uh a blood trail and set up that we

done we did retrieving you know just a whole pile of stuff absolutely and you know it just keep

everybody busy and stuff moving on instead of pulling your thumbs and that's right picking a

conversation uh squawk about mm-hmm no doubt about uh it's all been going really good um quicker

paste than we expected though but sure well I mean that's not necessarily a bad thing you know

sometimes it could be a little well overwhelming almost you know but I mean guys like y'all

on it you know you got to go next trail yeah for sure so one of the biggest deals a lot of people

notice where they open up one of these role books is uh all the splashable offenses uh really

I mean we don't really have much more scratchable offenses than anybody else does uh I mean

well maybe more than just one but really combined with a panel you know I mean uh

it's just your normal stuff fighting dog with scratch uh fell in the hunt for six minutes

females and he you know your normal stuff now we do have uh

uh if a dog slick trees three consecutive times if he slick trees three times in a row

he's done he's scratched he's going home I got to uh and we have a 30 seconds 30 seconds on all of our cuts

uh 30 seconds off the tree unless they want to uh keep the dog handled until the

second tree is scored there's only two dogs now if they choose to do that they have to keep it on

the leash till the other dog is handled or if it leaves the tree then they have 30 seconds turn

their dog loose uh and we also have a returning to the tree scratch if they return to the tree if

that dog's handled three times off the same tree he scratched uh but I mean it's it's one

on one it's it's made for your advanced dogs your finished dogs it's definitely not something

you want to take a puppy to yes you know if you want to hang around long enough to really check

it in your highly advised bring it to the dog uh you know and and something else that I've been

seeing that's kind of getting out of hand at some hunts and stuff uh I don't I don't

competition hunt nearly as much as I used to I used to just live for it that's all I've done

I was at them all the time every night somewhere uh and I don't go all that much so

it would seem like I would never see it for as little as I go to hunts uh and participate but

people whipping their dogs in the woods oh yeah that drives me nuts

hook your dogs at home take them take them to your spot and whip them some people's got dogs

that still in the hunt that when you withdraw when you do what you do and you whip your dog out

there well you just mess their dog up now you know me personally I don't have one you whip your

dog around me and it's just gonna help me out yeah um my dog's gonna get gone but there there

are people that have dogs like yeah and and I and I I have but I haven't I have two dogs like

I got one for sure if you go to doing it on your dog mine's gonna go with the box like it's like

no and that dog has never ever I have never touched that dog which I mean I'm one of those I don't

I don't really see a need in it myself you know but there are some dogs and sometimes you've got

you got to put a handle on them but like you said there's a time and a place for it now I don't feel

that in the middle of a competition hunt I don't feel that's the place for any of that

and so uh we have a rule in there that if you uh if you whip your dog during our event on the

hunting property uh then you your bar for six months and I tell you what brought that on when

we first started uh we had a guy's dog got a possum and he got scratched you do get scratched

for off game in this except the exception of youth hunts youth hunters and I'll get scratched

off game uh there's a lot that they don't get scratched for but uh he whipped his dog and even if

the other dog gets scratched the other dog must continue to compete for the hour or whatever the

hunt time is hour 90 minutes two hours whatever that hunting okay uh and he whipped that dog

forgetting that possum right out there where they was hunting and he was a squall on and a squillum

and the other guys dog just went to the truck and wouldn't hunt and he wouldn't hunt for six

minutes and that caused him to get scratched yeah uh and I got to thinking about that and I thought

you know there's no sense in them doing that out there they can it's they're not there to train

their dog they're there to compete with it now I yes that that's what I was getting that run

there competition hunt is your pass you should be passed all that you I could move it over yes

exactly whatever I think that would be like you taking Wolfman out there and tell you know

standing there and and putting a lead on him and telling the back back back that out there you

don't do yeah do come on you know it there's there's times to do it and you know and I tell people

all the time that we hunt with when when we go I always bring a young dog or puppy or something

I'm messing around with if I go to my places if I come to your place I'm bringing the 18 correct

and we go hunt you know and another one that we have that's a bit different is so I really have

to explain this one all right so when you're out there you got your two dogs out there you cut them

my dog goes left working a trail your dog goes right running trail and he goes they go off in the

back somewhere in there and your dog falls tree my dog still trail them well we go in there

and we lease your dog we score the tree right at whatever it is it is and we go on and we

recut your dog my dog still working a trail and works around and comes in and gets

treated and he's on that same tree if that dog was not been scored on that tree then his points

are strictly simply deleted okay in a lot of record trees you you are modest because your dogs

on a scored tree I say a lot I just know one but I didn't like that I think that if the dog hasn't

been to that tree yet then technically he hadn't been scored I really I was really pulling the

plus it but our rules committee really didn't think so I think that once a tree's been scored then

it's been scored so the best way me and Eric again away with is just deleting the points

to delete it correct yeah I got you I'm with you I don't know I mean if the dog is the opposite way

and he hasn't seen the tree then it didn't you know you know it's it's I'm with you I mean I think

you should get him and be able to plus him yeah that's why I feel about it too but we have a we

have a wall committee theory that's right that's right we have one person's decision

well and you have to interest that you got it you got to interest that in in a committee or

board of anything like that and that's why you have members you know or have of that many people

to make those decisions so that way not one person is saying hey this is the way I want it

myself you know right so that that tells you it's a fair deal yeah absolutely yeah that's that's

really basically are are really most of our different rules really I mean the rest of them's

basically the same our strike is different our strike 75 and 50 okay our tree's still 125 and 75

but yeah and whatever some of the calls and they pay memberships all that good stuff they get a

real book we mail them a real book with all their stuff I get what's what's the membership cost

10 and 15 10 5 time I got you yeah and then they I don't think I can't get in on the person yeah

so who do they need to contact just get on Facebook page and go through that the best thing to do

yeah I can just leave it one of us yeah like I said our website's almost up and going

uh soon this up and going will be will be in business they're fixing it to where they can just do

it on there uh team so yeah they can do everything on there we have merch we have a merch shop people

and get shirt cities back its hat oh anything they can so yeah well that's uh I'm glad to say

something new popping up and taking off and working goods I mean yeah yeah thank you cover

them oh sorry going no I was just saying showtime I came on board as one of the bigger sponsors for

a showtime we all food and they stepped up and uh gonna back it you know we're doing really good

with that so showtime for one of our bigger sponsors right now yes sir you got to put them out

there you got to make sure this sponsors get the time for sure and of course unleashed

mm-hmm

well no it's looking good for the rest of the year and the future is looking really really good

yeah that's I think it's I mean as quick as it's growing already you know and the thing about it is

it's not like it's not like stupid fast crazy but it's fast you know I'm saying it's manageable

and it's a good it's a good growth that I think that's that's better to have than then just blowing

up and then flaming out right yeah right you know I have to do that I've seen a lot of stuff happen

like that and like like with our podcast that's first thing we just and they talk about us like I

don't want it to grow fast I want to go I want to stay in the shadows and just go slow and now it

is just constantly constantly yeah got bigger bigger bigger and it's almost like

you're always there people know you're always there you know it ain't nothing new there it's not like

oh look who showed up today nope they're there every day and that that's that's what you guys are

gonna be yes yeah yeah you know and we will I mean it takes a management but so far everybody's

understood you know now if they want to accept responsibility and say hey I understand how

y'all's working this I'll be just fine I don't really need any help you know this is I got so and

so and so and so and so and so it's gonna be my non-hunting judges you're welcome to call them

whatever you know we can do it hey I have no problem following the stuff in the envelope and

mailing it to them you know so they can put on a hunt all we ask is that they get everything to

us to where we can get stuff recorded in this computer and updated every day so because it's

constantly changing and when it comes down to the deadline November 1st we need to know who who's

who's won what you know on time that's exactly right not on those in the fifth you know

because the day of November 1st and then my hunters are gonna be calling did I make it did I make it

oh yeah you know that they definitely go with color so yeah with y'all feel like we covered all

the bases on this right here we've got time for some some good hunting stores or some trash talking

or whatever and you know absolutely I'm always going for trash talking yeah well hey I tell you

what let's who who who has the dog to be that you know who who's got the dog to beat right now that

that's in the in the association and who who thinks they have the dog to be and who

who do you want to go against well not not a call out not a call out but just to say so you know

like I could do I would do this the dog to beat right now points and money is horn like a

Dan dog owned by Leon sparks and Andrew Kilgore but he's the dog to beat right now

mm-hmm is that we're seeing you guys uh Carl Walsh is right behind him with the English dog named

Spanky Spanky and that that's a long legged dog him and bullseye the eye and they go a mile opposite

directions and oh man oh look at each other okay which one we going to for no mercy Spanky's a

grand night champion I think he's BKC champion I'm not sure uh he's a UHA national grand night

champion and then he turned around and got second place at the UHA national championship again

he'd done really good in the UKC World Hunt uh I think he made it he made it quite a

way into the UKC World uh I mean he's just an all-around coon dog uh yes and uh

Marty Leon sparks horn dog he's a grand night champion he's just a few wins I think from being

in the hot UKC Hall fight correct correct um two great dogs but yeah Marty's got a good dog there too

I enjoy hunting with both of them Leon actually got me into the coon hunting he was on me for a

couple of years and took me one night and that's all she wrote yeah I just thought it was so funny

when you when I sleep you I was like I said does he is he playing I said is he for real

I say he could I sleep the end up with you guys leaving a couple pictures I was like oh no

and I I told Nate I actually I told my wife first when he's sitting I was like look I said

looking Eric he's got him coon dog she said yeah but that was it wasn't a coon dog Eric went out and

bought five six seven eight oh well Eric and hunt them all okay so here's what I told her I was like

or you had went coon it might have been when you went coon and I said I bet you in a week's time

he'll have a week's worth of dollars she's just looked at me she's like what's that mean I said never

mind but that you know you know you know what I mean I was like he and I want every night of the week

and uh listen that's what I tell everybody I'm like that because I got a lot of dogs of course you

know I's like I'm down lower than I've ever been I've got like 25 yeah and I'm going to move

about five oh and I think I think I think I picked up I think I picked up seven in the past week

that's the same thing matter well on you to reason they say show you not buying another dog

this week huh yeah this week we've been deering that story yeah I was like I I get man I'm like I'm not buying

no I'm so I'm getting rid of ever dog I got you yeah and then I'd get another dog that evening

right or somebody named James to call hey yeah think about this dog yes

that that that's when it hurts when you got those buddies like that and they're like hey

what do you think about this yeah I got one named Frankie he got me yesterday and two and two

weeks ago yeah yeah so but no it's my deal is I get Eric on that that way he'll get that dog and

honey you see yes I have I have a strict policy a one man one dog situation here yeah

oh yeah I can only imagine I mean I know about the hog dogs first time I went to Uncle

Earls Eric mainly had 28 puppies just just in the puppy class I said holy smokes boys I said

fellow service yeah just a little just a little just a little yeah nothing crazy no it's all

good fun it is it really is and and that's the thing about it I mean I'll say and I'm not saying

it just because I'm talking to you but like I said it before that you support I guess ever everything

has to do with dogs and dogs of anything we can yeah and you hold hardly to do it and you're

really meaning you're not doing it for show you don't even you don't tell them about you know no

there's a lot of behind the scene stuff and and I've seen that and I mean I've been I've been

blessed to have you as a friend and to know you like that and I I hope a lot of these listeners

out there they understand what I mean by that you know so dealing with these with you guys that

maybe that gives them a little even that little more extra bit of comfort to know that hey

this this is a real deal you know these are guys you can trust this this association is

going to be something that's on the up and up it's legit it's going to be a good time absolutely

absolutely going to be a real good time one way or another yeah well I think we'll come next

Friday March 13th at Poto I think we're gonna get some new names on the list we've got a lot of

new hunters coming to track double header at the ODHA expo that's what all is they doing down

our air count they're doing hog dog stuff and everything there yeah they're doing a hog dog event

and hog weigh-ins and everything there along in conjunction with the coon hunt trade days everything's

going on there's going to be a big event it has been a big event the past to ODHA does a really

really good job putting it on right and you know Joe you know ODHA the Oklahoma dog association

do a really good functions and stuff so they really do that's only what the 16 is 13th or 14th

13th or 13 okay I don't know I had 60 I get all from up Earl's I think about 16 right so 13th

or 14th y'all listen y'all listeners out there y'all go check that out Ed Barnes has it

plastered on everything too Ed Barnes is always a big contributor to that he's always got

got it going home like I said they're they're going to have trade days dog shows say they've got a

coon hunt I think didn't have a squirrel hunt as well I believe they'll have a daytime squirrel hunt

yep and hog hunt so I mean it's something for everybody you know so yeah if nothing else just

go hang out and check it check some hands meet some new people out there and support it

correct and get your membership for the ODHA if you're not already a member yes yes I wish

our I wish we had a hundred so adult association that was that involved right we just don't have

one that's that's after like that we we've tried yeah you know but you know they do a good

job putting everything on it it'll be a big event be a lot of people a lot of vendors and stuff

come out and see us all showtime dog food will be there also James will be there with everything

I'll be down in Louisiana at that time but James will be putting everything on out there

yep yeah so on Saturday night they have a thousand dollars added money and a buckle for the

PKC coon hunt and on Friday night it's us we have a double header you also win a belt buckle

and then the 14th Saturday is a squirrel hunt $50 entry 100% payout with a buckle

and the hog hunt is on the 13th and the 14th trophy buckles and 75% payout

trend contest on Saturday the 14th and then an open bench show Saturday the 14th

now you win a buckle in all that too so I'm going to get to find out there you go

so and I'll be I'll be I'll go wild from my from our ultimate tree dog association face with page

I may just fire a camera up and leave around all day down there there you go

that's good stuff we'll see what's going on but yeah I've not ever been to a hog event hog hunting

event at all I've been strictly tune hunting and that's pretty much it so it'll be new to me

yeah there you go the next two weeks you're going to be adding a couple of big ones

yeah I mean I've had some I've definitely had some rendezvous with some hogs in the woods but

uh did that just the other night but well let's not let's hear about that let's just hear about that

well let me tell you that it starts off with I decided after church to stop and shoot this

nine millimeter that I bought from Eric and I thought to myself about this gun I thought you know

ought to get me a little gun like that just to carry on my belt when I'm hunting just in case I

run into them hogs because Eric and my boys had just caught a bore hog in the same spot I was hunting

I I hunt a lot that had some big old cutters and it even killed one of his dogs and I thought you

know I go hunting by myself a lot or I take my four-year-old with me I think I'm going to just start

carrying pistols well we stopped at the lake after church and I decided I was going to shoot this

pistol and it was so dirty from Eric your gun cabinet that it wouldn't just click them off it

would click a round or two and then we got a wiggle and jiggle I said I'm going to clean that

when I got home well maybe in me I never cleaned nothing and we went hunting and I had a young dog

get over on this hillside working a track and I got tired of messing with him he just around and

around and around and I was going to go in there and give this guy incentive on leaving and going

somewhere else and when I got in there I heard on and I'm like oh that ain't good because I'd

rather hear one single big one than I had them little ones I don't know what to them yeah

and uh well sure enough there she was along with about 15 or 20 more coming down the same

fence line that I'm standing next to oh and I knew in my heart that if I decided I was going to

bulk well they was just going to chase me down because I wasn't going to outrun them and uh so I

pulled this pistol out and I cock it and I'm just standing there waiting and uh well they all

turned and went right through the fence they had even tore a hole in the bottom of the fence

bottom couple of wires and I thought oh yeah that's good and then all of a sudden I get this

whiff of something in the air and I'm like oh who's that well here comes Mr. Halka Tonka

and it's nothing right what there no wait

probably weighed 400 pounds he had huge cutters coming down the same way they went but he was

he wasn't with them though he was behind them a good hundred yards and uh he comes

sliding down through there just as silent I mean you couldn't even hear a foot track of that dude

he comes sliding down that fence and he gets to that hole and he just stops and his little head

burned real quick and looked right at me and I'm sitting there's making dude don't do it

because then mother's just kind of stalled up right on the other side of the fence because that

stooped dog was over boo hoo and around and they didn't want to go over and I just went from

bad to worse because now I'm gonna have to shoot him and they're still gonna come after me and

that's if I even hit him I'm gonna lie to you I might be better at just throwing a gun at something

and then shoot the bullet why did you think that gun was so heavy and he wasn't this dude and he kind

of smacked his teeth and I'm like oh boy I just went all through me but as soon as he did that he

just turned his head went on to the fence woo hoo man I was sweating hey I got back to that truck

not aside I was just gonna push that button and uh and work it that way and that dog he comes

on that hill and come back to truck we went somewhere else oh we might have listened to him home

I don't I'm not sure what we did well you know yeah that's uh you you said you were a king

hunter but let me go back over the story right quick so I think you're really a hog hunter

because like you said there was a bunch of little pigs and you didn't catch none of them

but there was a 400 pounder with these big giant coverage now you say what I'm saying here you get

you get where I'm going that sounds like a couple of our I think it's saying now I have wrote this book

I put this story out at least once a week yeah yeah exactly whether a hundred or not I pull

the name story out that's exactly I hope I have posted the same pig four times this week

I just I changed it to black and white one day and then a different angle the next day and people

like well y'all wear it amount ain't you I said we wore that one out yeah that one wore out we're

gonna change this color this week now that's a hey for for people who do not chase these hogs

like we do and even guys that do chase these hogs like we do when you get a big a whole group or

sound or coming around you it will make you pucker especially if you ain't got no protection

if you don't if you don't have your dogs there and especially you get a big old boy hogging

it's just you and him in the door you can't hardly whoop that dude well the night before two

nights prior to that brown eye and jinx got on one and brown eye just make it out oh man

but uh it was it was a good old boy hog at all but yeah I mean almost same exact spot

I have to tell you I was bad don't you I'll give my hog hunting team very good detail

so anytime intel on where these hogs was at just few days prior or maybe the day before yeah

and they went out there and they didn't catch no pigs but uh huh I think next time you

don't have to go with them and and and but that was one thing we wanted you to come with us now

yeah I'm gonna have to put them on them now yeah yeah good guy service good guy service

that that's it yep that's the way to do it but no it didn't always fall out there whether your hog hunting

coon hunting squirrel hunt with the dogs I always have a good time I like to watch a good dog in the woods

I guarantee you I think there's a lot of people that misunderstand what we do

and and that's one of the biggest things I've gotten into is trying to educate and I'm not a teacher

I'm not worth the damn man really um nor am I you know what I'm saying it because we're I mean

the thing about it is we're all about the same kind of good old boy you know we're just good old

boys you know we we ain't trying to hurt nobody but I ain't gonna take a whole lot of shit from

nobody either and right right but I'm gonna try to explain it to you the way I know how it's

sometimes it's not the way that you can understand it but uh yep we catch but we catch a lot of

flack no matter if you hog hunt or squirrel hunt or coon hunt or whatever you catch a lot of flack

about using dogs people we cannot make these dogs do this no there's not one job if we could

would be would be well off now with dogs you know what I mean yes we can make them do it we wouldn't

we wouldn't go through you know as many dogs as we do trying to find one that voluntarily wants

or has it right the natural instinct and the ability just to do what we wanted to do

right you know and that's what we're looking for a good dog is natural instinct and the ability

to do it you know and and James you said you're more of a one dog one man deal now yep

all right here here's going to be something I wanted to I would and you don't have to answer

yes this is just this is just for the public really on the on average uh you know I what kind of

dog food do you feed you know how how much does it cost you to take care of your dog for a month

well I've been showtime dog food and let me let me rephrase that right quick not not take care

not take care of your dog how much do you spend on your dog and your two hunting come on

like let me do like that yeah you're you know really it's hard to put a price on something like that

yeah don't tell you why you're lucky yeah you're looking at you know 35 40 dollars in gas and

not every time up 35 40 dollars in gas and some to drink something snack on uh now if the

dog goes with you that drink into snacks drinks alone or just out there this is going to be

hunting you um right to the snack bag I try to stay close to the house closer to the house I mean

I've got a lot of hunting around here and and and thanks the Lord above our farmers and ranchers

and yes landowners in general around here they're very lenient they're nice people they don't mind

if you hunt most of the time um you know if you if you don't have permission you usually can

call them or something and they'll say you did you're buying yes but so that's why I kind of

try to stay around here when I'm doing training uh and you know I've always I I'm kind of like that

because I was raised uh like that uh the hunt one dog uh and and they get more experienced they get

better they you know uh it's just like anything else but but yeah uh I've always done that I don't

I don't believe in training a pup with an older dog I do not I don't like I don't like a dog to

to uh get into the habit of following a dog or relying on that dog or anything I mean we we start

we start our work at home we do our homework and then when we're doing our homework good then we'll

go to the field uh I like them to load and listen that's my two first things uh and after that

then we'll go to worry about how quick we can trick each cune and then we'll go to see

how quick we can go in the woods and go find one and trick there you go there you go there you go

and that's pretty well we'll pick with to method this work for years and years and uh so I just

keep doing it hey bro don't fix it we have a really good dog right now that uh he's coming on he's

got a couple a couple things that I've got to fix and uh after that I'll be hauling him to town but

he's a direct son of Mojo's Mason uh and he is he is top gun he just uh

needs a couple adjustments that I'm working on right now and uh as soon as I get done with that

we'll be good to go and I've lost her I found out 100% he will not chase pigs so we're good

you get you're hitting the game on that one already yeah and I plead the fifth on that answer

Joey yeah I know I know his answer and I can not tally her bill my nieces bill and my bill and

somebody not lock me up in the mental ward yeah and and I get that but yeah and that's where I was

going with that was you know you you get some of these people who have a pet at home you know they

take it most I'm gonna take it to the vet about every six months maybe once a year uh they

possibly get it groomed and uh and they buy feed yeah that's it we're buying stuff every week

as I say the first month of my dog's life has more than that dog has wrapped up in a year

oh without a doubt and the first year of our dog's life is usually about what that whole other

dog's life is caused correct you look at all the the miles that we travel the the all the little

tips and tricks and the things that we try you know like in the hog hunting world you know you got

the cook gear you got you know you got trapped in colors same thing in the cooking hunt world you

got boots you got lights you got you all your stuff for your dogs you know crack and colors

calls yes leashes jacket briar proof stuff you know what I mean it's a never ending deal and about

the time it gets broken good you know you can say more yes you say something else that's come out

that's a bigger and better or you're you know ward out one of the two just ward out between you

know practicing and and hunting and competition and then you need a competition collar you need a

regular woods call you know what I mean and then you need you know this collar to match that dog

and you know this all yeah sentimental this leash goes with that dog we we were talking not

long ago when I was talking to a guy he told me he said uh and it was it was a little comical to

me you know it would be you too he told me he said try feeding five bags of feed them on

I said yeah I could only imagine he said yeah I said yeah I think two bags a day

that's what I feed about two bags two and a half bags a day 50 pound back yes 50 pound bags

and which we've got way down on that now we're we're about a second little we're second day

and we were at four bags a day a few months ago really for the last few years and I

got back on my woods teams and we've got rid of three my woods teams dogs once once I went to

these looser dogs we cut down on quite a bit and I still got a rough pack as well but back

I ran rough dogs I had several rough packs and puppies and you know the whole deal but

now people just don't they get a misconception that we just take these dogs and throw them down

behind the house and that's where they're at and that's all we do we keep them keep them tied out

on a on a rope and in an old barrel or so that's only thing we do with these dogs that is not

do that's nothing further from the truth yeah I mean and you know we still go to the van I mean

we do a lot of vetting ourselves but 90% of my yard has a medical record and all especially

now that I could not they all go get the rabies done because they don't allow us to do rabies

ourselves anymore yeah that's right but we still got all you know the vet records of vet bills

and all that stuff and people don't understand how expensive I mean I take care of these dogs

better than I would most children oh without a doubt I mean it's it's a fact it's almost everybody

that there's now there's a few of them that you know they lack a little bit some of the people

that I seen you know the end of the way they take care of their dogs right I mean you always

got a few people like that and everything yeah hell they don't take care of themselves right

exactly my point exactly exactly 100% but the majority of us take care of these dogs like a family

member oh yeah or at least a club I'll put it in some some family members I don't take care of

that good that's what I was gonna say depending on the family member some of yeah yeah depending

on the family so and my and I've got some family right now they ain't gonna sleep my dogs house

I promise you they yeah yeah they're not getting there so but no man you know we're just it's

just a big misconception and and doing the social media stuff and all the things that we do now

we put ourselves out there and yeah I deal with I deal with that a lot and I know you haven't

I'm sure James had hasn't dealing with the public you know so we always try to educate that's

why I always bring it up when we talk on this podcast all right right and it go we do a lot we

go we're into it a lot more than most people think and you know we had animal control come one time

and they're like oh you know every name of these dogs and animals out here of course I do

we feed them every day two and three times a day yeah and we're exercising them and you know we

don't just walk by and throw some food down right exactly exactly so it's like said a big

misconception like you guys said and everything yeah they're just and they're taking care of

way better than most people ever would expect now what aren't you what are you guys doing with

some stuff out there in Oklahoma been doing with some uh yes on the uh retrieval trespassing for

dogs um and uh we believe it's come to a medium point uh so far I got yeah I was kind of curious

on that yeah it's come to a medium point so far not a hundred percent satisfaction but

way better than what it was going to be it could have been okay yeah they excluded hunting

hunting dogs from the bill okay uh basically uh if our dogs go across the fence and get

treated I mean we could still go the property owner get permission and go get them uh as long

as the property owner gives permission to but what we do not have in Oklahoma is the right

for a tree wall yeah right we don't need to land don't you say no and the cops come out or

game more than one have you yeah and they steal some no nope well I mean where are you at then

we have a there's a lot of questions and I have a lot of questions for that and I think it's far

from over I think they really just lit a fire that yeah you know a lot of newsmen's gonna have

questions now and it's the wording the wording is the big part the literature part of it the way

they say it is that was that's what we dealt with or uh yes and because we we had it to where like

you said is like okay well if they say no you just can't go get it so you're telling me they can

steal my dog right and then they're like well no I'm like okay then what do we do and they came

up with this who great and wonderful three strike rule okay if the dog trespasses and you

get called you can call the landowner if I give you permission great no problem go ahead of course

but if they say no then you call the authorities the authorities retrieve your dog and they write

your warning then you can have two warnings in the third time they find you

and then after that it's still in the in the grade right yeah as the people you know pushing that

envelope or the people that want these nuisance animals off their property but don't want anybody

on their property to relieve them of the nuisance animals without a doubt without a doubt whether

it be rabbits possum squirrels armadillos whatever it be they they don't want you on their property

to relieve them of that issue so you know they're closing their door to themselves and being

ordered yeah yeah I've got I've got people that have cornfields that they're in corn season they

ask you know will you go in there and eradicate some of the cune because they're too thick and I mean

you take a good population of tunes they can wipe and they cornfield yes sir and I mean they

absolutely wipe it out and and that goes for hogs as well hogs will definitely do it

but I just learned that tunes can be more destructive than the hogs and a lot of them feels

and all because they go in there pick that one seed at a time and just go down that whole row

that was just planted and pull every seed out of there yeah well I've seen the deer between

deer and cunes and crows there's been more damage than than with the hogs on this one

or on this one particular farm that we've we've studied it and I we literally it once the hot

we gave them about an acre of corn we just didn't mess with them and they stayed they stayed in

that area because there was no pressure there if they went to any other part we applied a little

pressure and they stayed back you know where their their little area was but the cunes and the deer

I don't give a damn what you've done you wouldn't get rid of them there was no they were all over the

place they there was drug up in the trees talked about that yes yeah you know they did that study

with the tracking and everything on the hogs too and all and the hogs damage is more visible

versus a deer or crow and a cune there's not as visible as the hog damage you know everybody

thinks a lot of us the hogs but if you really did a study like yourself and us and research what

you're going after and like I said I started studying cunes now I could tell you the ins and outs

about a hog from a to z and I'm doing the same research in cunes now so I know what I'm going

after and just learning that they do as much if not more damage to a crop than on the wood

that's right I think that I think that if farmers got a cornfield or any type of field garden what

have you and his neighbor is the one restricting him from being able to let someone like myself or

somebody come in and eradicate the problem then I think he should be held responsible

by a boy yes no one on the other property yep because I got I've been places that you know got

some old boys got 30 40 acres in the middle of 33000 and then he won't let you in there but

you know that's where all the games held up that uh you know and and it causes you to go well I

can't get them because that's where the dogs are going to go right over on his property every time

without a doubt that's exactly where the goal is if you love them so much and you want to you

don't want nobody killing them pay for them that you need to take financial responsibility for it

yeah pay for this man's cornfield pay his bills you know I but I've offered people free

eradication you know I mean free I'm not going to charge you I just need the permission and

you can't even do it right exactly but they're going to pay the state or somebody else

who's trying to eradicate them and they get one of the animals out of there and that's it and they

they're doing a per million dollar job and here you are willing to do it for free just uh hey look

let us come out here and do this so so here's how you play that game what I have figured out here

when they call and ask or somebody inquires I'm like it costs you this much for me to come out and

and you'd be surprised how many people are like oh okay well come on yeah I've got to pay you

so I'm going to get the job done versus somebody saying how you don't have to pay me that's exactly

right and and here's the thing if I done it for free I'm I'm going to do the same amount no matter

what I'm doing because that's just my character that's how I am right you know but if you're going

to pay me to come out and get some hogs or or codes or whatever it is and I'm going to set it up

and I'm going to hunt it or whatever I'm going to do you know if you want full eradication

what I can do it on your property but I try to explain to people like yeah my son Nathan

he went to college he went to to Mississippi State he has degrees in wildlife management

and forestry biology and when he first started explaining some of the stuff to me I was like we

like killing coyotes right so you don't want to be as a property and we so we got 800 acres

pot it's that's ours and I was talking about the coyotes he's like that he said if you leave

them just like they are he said it'll stay at that number and he said but once you start taking

them out you've had more movie and I was like but I don't think we're going to knock them all out he

said well okay and this is no joke if you go out there and and you kill say there's 10 of

and and you kill 10 15 nine got 15 because they're coming from like you said Billy Bob over here

loves these things and he's feeding them and he don't want anybody messing with them well they're

going to breed over there and those pups are going to get kicked out and they got to go somewhere

they're territory now they're going to get a new territory it took the old out now the news

coming in twice as many twice as many coons are the same way man same way

halves if it's like it's an ever-ending cycle so if you keep it managed and and if some of these

people will let guys like you come out and say okay well we're going we're going to hunt it

train our dogs and then you know every now and then we might do an actual hunt here of

you know through the association you'll keep them in check you'll keep the numbers down

absolutely you know absolutely but like you said people won't let you help them

no no but they're the biggest voices you know on the other end yes and the thing about that is they

all uh they they band together more than a lot of us do yes correct correct if we banded

together on some stuff and we would be a lot further and you know a lot of people are just

hard to all know we're we're not going to band together you're going to try and take this spot

from you this from me and that from me no you would have a whole lot more if we teamed up and

did stuff together yes sir yep and I get it you know there's because they're in the past they're

we all know guys that have slid in and hunted your spot absolutely you know but

absolutely my first five or six years of hog hunting I had to be this is an ninja yeah

I was saying we we've all that we've been in this it's working with me I learned

Pratt and Whitney's area better than they work there every day oh man I knew they're lunches

they're lunchroom better than they did there you go but like I say it man it's we got uh we got

us I'll be the dead horse about that too you know we all need to stick again

yes yes absolutely and you know uh UTDL we're we're willing to do that with anybody that wants

to come on board with us to even help them in any way we we can there you go here we go

yep that works that's good well uh let me just think when I was being out of here we've got about

our 40 on this now yeah what do y'all y'all got anything else y'all want to cover on this we've

got a got a pretty good episode in here so far I think we cover all the majors uh yeah

game anything we want to go over that we left out uh just uh maybe on for hurls uh the 17th 18th

19th and 20th on the 19th and 20th those insert the night hunt interest going to be $500

all right uh dogs on the 19th eight dogs on the 20th it pays 1800 to first and a thousand to

second yep and Eric was you going to do a bench show on Saturday as well did you want to do

a bench show on Saturday or is that just uh yeah right Friday and Saturday we were going to do

a bench show in the afternoon and a train contest on both days okay yeah I think I got the dates

wrong on the head it's it is it's I had it as an 18th not think for us to not think for the 20th

bench shows uh yeah so it should be Friday and Saturday should be 2021 where you where you

gonna hold it there where you gonna sit up uh it's gonna be uh on the bottom there you know where

I usually have my camp there right at the fence yes where you were set up that one year

yeah yeah that's one of there we're gonna be right on the outside of the corner there that

way the trees we got for the train contest we've got plenty of shade and uh our table and all

we set there so that way while I'm running dogs to we're kind of everything's right there everything

is right there all right well we'll I'll have a few few we'll be in the melee compound down there

yeah we're I'm gonna bring just a couple dot I think I'm gonna bring like chaos in junior maybe

and uh so I'm not gonna run a whole lot of dollars but I'll be available now you know if you

okay wolf man will be there for pictures you want to take a picture of wolf man we need to get

you and him together oh yes that's my buddy there I like a wolf man yes sir hang on down but uh

now we'll we'll all be there I think that's gonna be the best location um for everything bench show

all of it it stays pretty dry on that corner too so and it's right everybody still can see

everything else going on too close to the concessions it's just right almost central everywhere

right by Heather and all yeah and it's also it's not right in the mainstream of everybody walking

it's it's right yeah it's they got to go by but we're right there but they still can go by yes

induct their business running and everything is still keeping eye on us keeping eye on the main

shows and that's all right well man I'm excited I'm excited about this we we are too so and

we there we'll have a couple young dogs two uh that'll be up for sale we might even do a raffle

on one or two of them sweet that they grew up good there so but man I I appreciate tell hop in

all with us and James is good talking with you and getting to meet you and hopefully uh we'll

we'll be able to get together pretty soon and maybe you guys can come out we'll we'll do a hunt

out this way or maybe we do one meet the middle we'll get Arkansas and Mississippi or somewhere

that's what I say we'd do uh in the middle or do Alabama and hog cune hun or something oh yeah

they these guys around here they are game for anything I promise you thank like if we did that

we could do a 24-hour hog hunt and then do a night hunt and pretend yeah brother we pack the house

yes sir we'll talk about that for a future date and hope to see everybody at Uncle Arles and

Potos I hope you get about the ODH ODHA show on the 13th and 14th in Potos Oklahoma that's right

thank you all right fellas well I appreciate y'all and we're gonna keep on pushing this thing out

and uh we're gonna we're gonna support y'all we can all right thank you doggers all right brother

y'all have a good one thank you all bye all right bye bye there we go y'all all right it's something new

on the board uh Erick Mealy and James Pimbrick and them and crew they got the ultimate tree dog

association going on just a little recap on that it's a cune hunt it's more one versus one

and you can do callouts like if if you know what guy he's got a good dog do you think your dog can

beat him hey they'll set it up and say who's got the better dog and it's plus points

it's a plus points club so you're not gonna get beat by a bunch of circle points

god I had to meet this is what they're saying so they have a they'll have a Super Bowl left

into the year maybe a big world hunt they got a few different rules so like I said these are

just some of the few things just kind of recap over if you skip through any of the stuff so uh

we appreciate y'all thank y'all for listening to us uh once again we uh we can't do this without y'all

and uh maybe we get to see y'all down there in Uncle Earls we're gonna be out and about come shake

our hands and talk with us uh we're gonna be set up doing a little podcast the one we're there

we're gonna run some dogs and we're gonna talk some trash and uh you know so just remember Jesus

loves y'all so do we and we'll see you we out hope you enjoyed that episode if there's anything

or anyone you'd like to hear on the podcast or if you'd like to come home with us don't hesitate

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