EP 341 | Tom Montalk | "DRONES" - Is This The SKY EVENT? | Time Travel - ETs & UFO Technology

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by Tom Montalk. He is somebody I discovered on Twitter spaces. I think Fringe was hosting and

you hopped in and you were given, you were like describing the difference in the categories of

extraterrestrials, like extraterrestrials, inner terrestrials, inner dimensionals, all of them,

and how we can decipher the difference. It's the first time I've ever actually heard anyone

break down that descriptively. That level of what the difference is because I don't think

actually people understand the difference most of the time. I would like to cover that

at some point in the interview. As far as I understand, you're an electrical engineer and a

physicist on some level. I don't know much about your background. I have seen some of your

interviews, but I'll turn it over to you and give you a chance to introduce yourself to our audience

and then we'll go from there. Okay, yeah. I was born in Germany and I'm natively, I was German,

but I'm in America now. My mom, she's from Singapore, my dad's from Germany. He's an electrical

engineer too. When I went to college, I did physics and electrical engineering. I double majored,

but I only ended up doing four years because when I was working with all the graduate students,

I saw the political environment that academia wouldn't tell if I went into it. I didn't want to

jump through all those hoops. I decided to leave college and do the rest of my physics and

electrical engineering work privately and also through like contract work and consulting and so on.

So I've done that for quite a while. In addition to graphic design, web design, and that's why

my website and other people that I've made websites for, I mean, they like the kind of work I do,

because I mean, I have an aesthetic eye in addition to my science. So, and I do music on the side

as well. So I've got the scientific side and I've got the music right brain side. And that sort of

helps me deal with the paranormal issues, conspiracy research and so on because it helps me tap

both into my intuition as well as more my more like critical thinking side of it. I should mention

that when I was in Germany growing up, I did have a number of paranormal experiences, you know,

classic gray alien abductions, a mom as well. She would wake up with giant bruises on her lap

with puncture marks in them. Now, she didn't know about aliens at the time and growing up in Singapore,

which is an Asian culture, which is more superstitious. They believe in ghosts and demons and

spirits and so on. So she thought it was my dead great grandmother, you know, attacking her in the

middle of the night for whatever reason. Enough so that she actually fled back to Singapore for six

months trying to get away from these bruises that were happening almost on a nightly basis.

And eventually they did kind of calm down, but I had my share of abduction experiences and

it was a very terrifying time period. And I was always talking to my grandma about the the

stone men or the gray men, you know, in German that they called the Steinimension or the

Grauimension, that's what I call them. And I was deathly afraid of owls and anything that was

white and bulbous, which is, you know, like a post-traumatic stress disorder after effect of having

encounters with gray aliens. So when your memory gets suppressed after these abductions,

there is still a subconscious fear PTSD remnant to that remains. And that's sort of what I was

expressing as a kid. But in the fact that I had all these weird things and I was also very scientific

and curious child, it kind of forced me to eventually start researching this topic in way more

depth. So when I was 13 years old, I got a library card and I started reading all the UFO books,

all the metaphysics books at my local library in Iowa at the time. This is after we had moved to

America. And eventually I met a penpal who was a retired nuclear Navy engineer. He used to be

in the military back in the 60s. But he was also a conspiracy researcher and he became a penpal and

he would send me just boxes and boxes of books on all these topics. So this is when I was 15 years old.

So I got like a major boost in my research, even in my teens. And so then by the time I went to

college, that's when the internet really came into to full force. So I was able to do tons of

research there. And I was subscribing to all these physics journals, the leading edge research

journal on truefacts.org. I read all the matrix books and I got started networking with more and

more people. And then so over the years, the past 10, 20, 20 years, yeah, I've been reacted with

about 10 to 30,000 people online getting their data, their insights. And just, you know, trying to

put it all together. And so that kind of brings me to today where I have like three books out.

And I've got a massive website with tons of free articles, a YouTube channel. And it's just

a distillation of everything that I've put together over these years. Yeah. Yeah, there's

so much there. And you know, it's funny when you said the term penpal. Man, that's something

I haven't heard in a long time. Yeah. I wonder, yeah, I wonder if I still have a penpal. But yeah,

so okay, I want to cover a lot. I want to get into some of what you just described there as far

as your journey. But I also want to stay true to the title of this episode and just briefly touch

on the drones and the situation that we're seeing right now. And from your 40,000 foot view,

what is your opinion on what we're actually what's actually taking place? Yeah. So there's a lot of

things that are taking place at the bottom of the pyramid of priorities. I guess you could say,

but what's at the top of the pyramid? The top of the pyramid, it's not so much about what the drones

themselves are doing right now. It is about why this is happening now. Like, what is this a

prelude to? And the only thing that I can think of, well, there's two possibilities. One is the

disclosure thing, which keeps on wrapping up more and more with those congressional inquiries,

right? Those testimonies. That's on the acceleration curve. And at the same time, we also have an

increase in the trend of approaching World War III, an actual nuclear confrontation with Russia

and eventually China and North Korea. And well, the next next on the agenda is Iran, like US versus

Iran. So that's coming up. And usually in times past, you know, historically with UFO flaps,

a lot of times they did correlate with when there was a very heightened risk of a nuclear war outbreak,

Cuban muscle crisis and various phases throughout the Cold War. And not to mention, you know,

the Manhattan Project. That was in the 40s. And that's also when during the time period when Kenneth

Arnold had his flying saucer sighting. And that's when the UFO phenomenon really caught the

attention of the public and you know, it became almost a mass hysteria at the point. So once again,

nowadays, we are at the point where geopolitical tensions are extremely high. And we are like this

close. I don't want to say this close, but like this close to nuclear World War III or something

like it. I mean, maybe it's not like nuclear bombs going off. Maybe it's EMP attacks or cyber

attacks on American infrastructure and NATO and the Western European countries. And if that

happens, you know, there's a government commission that said, if an EMP did hit America nationwide,

90% of population would be dead within one year. That's a pretty serious, you know, I mean,

think about it. If you're an end up ducty, then if you're going to be part of that, wouldn't your

abductors be worried about what you would be going through? If you're considered their property

or their subjects or, you know, something like that? So I do think that ETs have an interest,

a vested interest in monitoring human events, especially when they start affecting things

society-wide, like societal collapse, you know, massive violence, war, things like that. That's usually

when they get really interested in and watch the situation closely. So I think that's part of it.

But I'm not going to say that all these drones are necessarily alien, okay? Because I do think that

there are mixed phenomena that are simultaneously happening, okay? So one of those, if you remember

back in, let's see in my notes when, when was it? It was right, it was back in, in right around

November 20th, in the UK, okay? In the UK, there were various spaces that were being used by the

American Air Force, and they had major drone problems to where they had to scramble a counter-drone

team just to try to deal with that, okay? So that was back in November 20th. Then California,

not too long ago, there was a Chinese national who was arrested for flying his drones over Van

and Berg Air Force Base, taking pictures. So that's some sort of foreign espionage element there.

Then in Germany, early December, Ramstein Base, they had drone issues. Also a liquid natural

gas facility in Germany was also being drones railed, Ryan Mattal, it's like a German industrial

manufacturer of military equipment. They're getting drone issues and also BASF, which is a chemical

industrial powerhouse of German origin, that also was getting drone issues. So at least early on,

a lot of these drone incidences seemed to be involving some sort of surveillance by a foreign

adversary. It could have been alien, it could have been alien, but it could also have been

advanced Russian stuff, or could have even been like American black ops doing security testing

on their own facilities to see how the lower, more public layers of the military responded

to something like that, like a test drill for some future event where Russia could

do some sort of a surveillance issue. So that's like the more military foreign adversary

surveillance aspect of it, that's one aspect. Another aspect that you have too is you also have

the potential for secret military drones being used, like secret government programs happening,

and I think that probably constitutes the bulk of what's actually going on,

because some of the more recent reports, and for example, the Ocean County Sheriff's Department,

they had one of their officers see that there were like 50 drones coming in off the ocean,

not out of the water, but just off the ocean from the ocean direction like East,

and they had a Coast Guard vessel go out there to investigate, and the Coast Guard vessel saw

13 drones with 8-foot wing spans also in the area. So there's something off the coast that is

launching those particular drones, and I think that's more likely to be a secret military operation

or a paramilitary like like Palantir, you know, some sort of non-governmental organization that

works with the government for some secret projects. Now, with that could actually be for,

I don't know, I don't know if it's testing psychological operations, or if it is an actual

security issue like counterterrorism, you know, there's just different theories that have been out

there, like the idea that a lot of these drones are, they're nuclear radiation detectors, whether

detecting gamma rays, neutrons, or tritium in the atmosphere, and I don't want to get too much

into the details of that, but there's different ranges that these different kinds of detectors

need to be within to be able to detect something, and a lot of these drones are actually beyond

that range. They're too far up to account for some of that, so I think that theory is,

could be, but it might be something else going on, they might have black ops technology that is

more sensitive to radiation than what we know about, so therefore they could be farther away.

That's another possibility. So I do think there's some sort of secret government thing going on,

and I think Trump just today said that he knows that the government knows what they are,

and where they're coming from, where they're taking off, and where they're landing, and that,

to me, sounds more like a non-public military security operation than an actual alien thing.

Well, I did see that what Trump said, and I have heard that, you know, this whole thing,

we're trying to sniff out the nukes because the deep state was planning a false flag attack to stop

the dirty bombs, which is different than normal nukes, but yeah, so okay, we're trying to sniff out

the dirty bombs and attempt to like, thwart this transition of power before the inauguration,

and all this stuff. Now, what's interesting, it was in Trump's statement, if you listen at the end,

he was, I forgot even what specific area he was mentioning, but he was like, I won't be staying

there this weekend, and he goes, I'm going to change, I've changed my plans, I won't be staying

there this weekend. Almost like it comes to whoever, like maybe he was tipped off that there was

another attempt was going to occur in that specific area, and he like, he made it very clear,

I thought it was interesting, like he's like, he made it clear that he changed his plans and won't

be staying there. So there could be, like this could be very much political as well. I mean,

like there's probably, it's probably layered, and you know, we just had Maureen Richman on our

last ex-spaces who is an astrologer, and astrologically through her, you know, her monitoring the patterns

of UFO flaps over time, astrological alignments. Right now, we're in an expansion point,

where we would absolutely expect a significant event like this, and it's happening. So,

I mean, there's basically, you lay it out beautifully, all the above is possible. But what are

your thoughts on this, you know, this, you know, thwarting the transition of power and trying to

well, I mean, right now, in September 16th, the inauguration is, you know, we have a month,

we basically have a month to go. So if they're going to try anything, it would have to be during this

next month. So it would make sense that security is super heightened right now. Now, I mean,

dirty bombs, some sort of a new thing. I mean, it's like the movie Some of All Fears, where they

were trying to do a false flag nuclear attack just so they could create war with Russia. I mean,

that's a situation we basically find ourselves in nowadays. So the movie was kind of pressing

on about that. So I do think that's very possible. And but unfortunately, a lot of these videos that

are out of these drones, my personal opinion, just being familiar with telescopes and binoculars,

and they're way optics work and airplanes and so on. I do think that like 95% of these videos

are probably mistaken, you know, because I mean, because each one, I mean, right now, if we had the

time, I could go through each one and point out like why I think this is not necessarily an ET craft

necessarily. You know, it could be some of these are airplanes. I remember some that are starlink

satellites. There was an ABC News video, that fuzzy orb thing that was kind of undulating. Well,

I mean, based on the sky, based on the fact that it's not flickering, it wasn't a star because

stars twinkle and it was daylight out. So therefore, if it was something, it was probably Venus

out of focus. And if it's out of focus and you get these atmospheric refraction effects that

cause it to undulate. So, you know, there's different, different physical explanations for a lot of

these. However, I do think that there's a like a 1% maybe 5% trace amongst all these that is actual,

like true alien activity. And that is something that and the way that those behaviors is very

similar to the Tic Tac incident from 2004 with the Nimitz encounter off the coast of San Diego,

where you had an anomalous object that was huge. It wasn't like the size of a car. I mean,

that one was the size of a bus. Okay, it was huge. And it was like a white Tic Tac shape.

And it moved at impossible velocities, impossible accelerations. And that is not something that you

see with these current drones being reported. I mean, there are some anomalies like, for example,

when the police and New Jersey sent up the drone, he said that they said that they didn't have

heat signatures and that they were easily, easily evading those drones. Now, that could be

black ops technology because obviously if you're going to have some advanced technology to surveil

the enemy, you can't have heat signatures coming off of it. So they probably have some advanced

shielding technology. But typically UFOs don't or like alien UFOs. They don't have wings.

There are claims that they can do mimicry. And that's true. They can mimic airplanes. I know

people who have seen anomalous things that tried to look like airplanes, but they weren't airplanes,

and they would disappear in a bright blue sky. But the thing is, if something is going to be

mimicking something in order to claim that it is mimicking, there has to be something off about

it that you can point to you and say, you know what? You tried to be an airplane, but you didn't

move in the right way. Like you went backwards or you know, you were rotated in a way instantly

that an airplane can't. And most of these things that I've seen in the video don't exhibit any

anomalous behavior that would indicate it being something other than man made drone, a rocket,

a plane or something like that. Okay. So I do think that there's an alien component to it.

It's just that a lot of these videos don't show it. So I'm skeptical about a lot of it,

but I'm not just missing the entire phenomenon. Because as you said, it's a multi-layered thing.

There's a foreign surveillance aspect. There's probably a secret government program.

There's a little trace of the alien stuff. And then the rest of it I think is just people being

mistaken about a lot of it. That's my personal opinion. Yeah, absolutely. And I agree, I agree.

I mean, yeah, I completely agree as well. It's multi-layered. There's, and the thing is,

two, some of the videos that we're watching are from like three years ago. People are just

sharing. I was clicking on one. I'm like, oh, this is wild. And then I saw the date. And then

so I started paying attention to the dates and the source of these videos. And you know, one of them

was somebody posted a video from a movie set in like New York or something. Some movie they were

filming where it looked like the street was destroyed. You know, so a lot of this is, I don't know if it's

like intentional disinformation campaigns. People just trying to, you know, get clicks and likes

or whatever because, you know, X is monetized now. So everyone, you know, they don't care what they

put out as long as they're getting, you know, the trending day action. So, you know, there's a lot

going on that. Well, I just saw some with my own eyes last night for about at least 20 minutes,

maybe 30 minutes. We were alerted by a friend of ours that saw him in the sky. So we're in the

Boston area. We're in like the North, North suburbs of Boston. And he was like, go outside.

There's drone. We went outside. First we saw one. Then we saw two. Then we saw the third one.

Then we, we end up seeing over 20 of these things. And they were not airplanes. They were not

anything normal. And they were, they were hovering like at a slow, you know, steady pace. But they

looked like, they looked like a TR3B, like a triangle shape. That's what it looked like to me. And,

but they all had, they all had lights. And then one light was like flashing on all of them.

But it wasn't like the normal plane flashing lights. It was completely different. And they were

trying to triangular shapes, hovering drones. And there was over, there had to be at least 20,

maybe 25. Yeah, that's interesting. I have some video. We all, we all got our own videos of it.

So, yeah, I've seen them with my own eyes now. Yeah, that's, that's pretty interesting. Because,

you know, some of those secret government vehicles, they are, they're like, they're like semi-fixed wing,

because they can collapse their wings and hover, or they can expand their wings and fly like a fixed

wing drone for, for greater range. And the thing is, they could turn off their lights if they

wanted to, but FAA regulations demand that you have to have the lights on. And if you don't have

the lights on, then you have to notify the FAA so that they can clear the airspace. Because, I mean,

they don't want to risk any collisions, especially with some of the eight-foot wingspan. And then,

and then if you notify the FAA and they put out that thing, then that gives it away even more that

there's something funny going on. So, I think that's probably why, if they are some secret military

thing, they are leaving the lights on. So, hey, it's within regulations. They don't have to explain

themselves. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it makes sense. Well, I'd like to move on, you know,

because we could just beat this day horse all day, you know, it's, we, everyone's been all day on

what we think is going on. Exactly. So, if they're going on that they don't want to, they're not telling

us that the government is not telling us. And there's, I'm sure there's layers, you know, it's all

need to know, right? So, somebody at the top of this pyramid knows what's going on, but the

lower levels of the government might not even know at all. So, they can't tell us. And the military

same thing, right? That's a great point. Yeah. And I think it's wise to just, you know, consider

multiple sources. And, you know, don't just marry yourself to one idea. I see a lot of people that

have already made up their mind, you know, matter factly what it is. I think it's, you know, healthier

to just take a, you know, stand back and observe, you know. So, we put time travel in the,

in the title because you did your, your interview with Ashton Forbes recently and time travel came

up and you were mentioning the time travelers potentially manipulating our history and this going

all the way back to ancient times and just the, just the possibility that time travel is that

prevalent and then plays a bigger role than we think. And if you, I mean, the information in my

opinion is out there. It's ready to be found, but not everyone has found that information or

that information hasn't found them about the existence of time travel. And I would like to get your

opinion on what you think, you know, what this temporal war looks like. Because that's what it is.

Yeah. I do think that there's something to it for sure. But then again, it's difficult to

distinguish between beings that have very, very good remote viewing and precognition abilities

to see the future and therefore to be able to steer the future. That's very similar to someone

actually coming from the future knowing the past and trying to change it. Because like one is looking

from the past towards the future with like perfect vision and the other one's looking from the

future to the past with perfect hindsight. So how do you tell the difference? And honestly, I don't

think we are necessarily able to always tell the difference because from some of the UFO

abduction research that I've looked into, especially people who've had personal contacts,

like contactees, they're alien handlers. They have the ability to see things weeks if not years

into the future. It depends on the probability of it. So the more set and stone, something is

the more in advance, it can be seen, the more clear, like the more clearly it's in focus. So

if something's really like faint and up in the air, then maybe you can only see it three days out.

But a major like collective event, you know, some sort of a master's-assure or something,

they can see that years in advance. And perhaps that would explain why UFO activity has picked

up so much since the 1940s. Maybe it's not just our own technological advancement,

but maybe it's also what's coming up, let's say even 100 years later, which would be 2040s.

So imagine there's something coming up within the next 20-30 years that has been known about for

almost a century now. And these beings having future vision or coming from the future,

they know about it. And so they decide to come back here in order to kind of set the stage

for influencing that chaos and to influence what comes out of it, what comes out of it politically,

maybe even what comes out of it genetically. Maybe some of these abductees that are being used

to breed hybrids, maybe they're trying to re-engineer the human gene pool to insert their own genetics

into it for various reasons. I mean, we can get into that too, the speculation on that.

But the thing is, if we do have time travelers here, okay, if we do have time travelers here,

the important thing to know is that the future isn't singular. So there isn't just one future.

There are actually multiple probable futures. So if we have time travel, we probably have time

travelers coming here from different probable futures. And if they're all coming back towards

their common past, then it ends up being like a game of musical chairs where there's only one

future that we ourselves will ultimately end up in. And they're trying to decide which one

that is. So there would actually be a time war going on between different probable futures

if that were to be the case. So that's one point. The other point to recognize is that

within physics, okay, especially general and relativity in general, there's the idea of

what are called closed time-like curves. And it's just a fancy term for time loops. Seen like

time travel movies where you try to go back to change the past, but you inadvertently end up

creating the very past that you came from. See, end up creating like a self-fulfilling prophecy,

like a time loop. I mean, that's like a trope. That's like a trope that's played out in all these

time travel movies and shows. So that's a closed time-like curve where you try to go into the past

to change it, but you end up creating the very past that you came from. So it's just one loop.

You know, it's like one loop that's self-reinforcing like an or a burst. It's like a, you know,

self-reinforcing time loop. But you see, that's not the only kind of time travel possible. Because

you can also have what I would call instead of closed time-like curves, you can have open

space-like curves. And what that means is you can have multiple probable futures that aren't

set in stone coming back and interacting with multiple probable pasts that all sort of cluster

together and then diverge again into these different futures. And so then you end up with a real

cluster, a cluster of a time war going on between probable pasts, probable futures. And the thing

about it is, so this is kind of technical, but I have to explain it. So within physics, especially

quantum physics, there's this factor called quantum phase, okay, quantum phase. And what quantum

phase is, it's kind of like the dial of a radio that tunes you into different stations. And each

station is a particular timeline. So right now you and me in your audience were all locked into

the same quantum phase of being here within this space-time universe in this timeline. And that's

why we're able to, you know, I can speak, my voice turns electrical signals, you hear it,

you respond, right? So it's like a two-way lock between you and me. We're all in the same

reality right now, essentially, okay? But the thing is, an alien right now that is monitoring

this conversation, it might not actually be locked into this reality to the extent that we are.

It's quantum phase might be just a little bit off, you know, just a little bit to the side where

where it's, it's fuzzy, okay? So we are fuzzy to it. It's fuzzy to us. And for that reason,

it's invisible. We can't see it. But it might be standing right here behind me like, you know,

looking over my shoulder right now and I can't sense it unless I were psychic or unless I'm like a

cat or something that has abilities and cats and animals and kids, you know, they can see these

invisible things. But the thing is, the reason why I mention this is because these different

multiple probable futures, they all have different quantum phase. And so therefore when they come

back here to try to interact with us, they're not fully 100% locked into the reality that we are in.

And so they have to operate by certain quantum principles, like for example, if I want to interact

with you, but I only have a little bit of quantum phase lock, maybe I can only interact with you

physically for five minutes at a time before we break our connection. Or maybe if I'm around you,

I can only be 5% physical to you. So I'd be invisible, but I can still influence your emotions,

telepathically, I can still watch what you do. I can still like arrange little improbabilities

for something in your path. And so what I'm trying to say is instead of me being able to 100%

physically interact with you, maybe I can only 5% interact with you. And that sort of

ambiguity leads to a lot of weirdness that we do see within the alien abduction UFO phenomenon

where they seem very, very evasive, very sneaky, like, you know, always pussy-footing around.

Well, it's not just for operational security. I think it's also because they are operating from

outside of our linear timeline. And they're trying to interact with us in a way that is not,

that they're blocked by certain quantum laws. So that I think that's why they have to operate

within plausible deniability. I think that's why they can abduct a person, but only if they

erase their memories afterwards, because there's a, that the plausible deniability, the thing about

not knowing whether something is or isn't, that actually is explained by the Heisenberg uncertainty

principle, where like, for example, within the double slit experiment in quantum physics,

if you're not, if you're not observing the experiment, you get the quantum effects, right?

But if you observe the experiment, then you don't get those quantum effects. You just get the

regular reality that we know, like classical non-quant physics. So these are quantum beings. If they

are operating by quantum laws, then they have to stay within the quantum state in order to do

a lot of the things that they do. And so therefore, they would have to operate within our blind spots,

our blind spot of, we're not really sure if they exist or not. We're not sure if I really had

an abduction or not. Okay, I've got the bruises on me, but it could've been something else.

See, there's always this plausible deniability, no matter what it is. And the degree of plausible

deniability required is proportional to how little that phase lock is. So if we don't have quantum

phase lock at all, then you can barely interact with someone. But if it's 100%, then I can do whatever

I want to, you know, I could punch you in the shoulder or whatever, and you would feel it,

because we're in the same reality. So this is not something that you normally hear about within

ufology, this idea of aliens being quantum beings. But, you know, a lot of the data that's involved

there indicates that yes, they do have mastery over space time to some degree, like the insider,

their ships is bigger than the outside, because they can compress space. They have that ability.

They seem to be able to kind of go outside time. They can remote view the future, or maybe their

time to travel or some of the future. So that, you know, so early when you mentioned those different

levels of alien types that I, that I, this different, right, ossifications. This gets into one of those

and we can, we can talk about that if you want. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I do want to make

a comment before that. So are you familiar with the Sans of Time series by Sean David Morton? Yeah.

You know, it kind of breaks down the origins of time travel within the shallow government.

How we've already, like, perfected this technology as humans, you know, thanks to things like the

Nazi bell and the Philadelphia experiment. And, you know, they call it dimensional shift technology.

And you know, they even described the traditional UFO, like the Bob Lazarus sports model being

essentially a time machine because these things aren't using advanced propulsion, propulsion as our

physics would understand it. They're, they're essentially warping and manipulating time and

dimensionally shifting and traveling in another dimension and breaking all the laws of physics and

time as we understand it. And that's what, that's one of the things that they learn the hard way,

because these guys would be come back with temporal disorientation and are temporarily disoriented.

And they would have like long term detrimental health effects that would have, you know,

effectively shorten their lifespan. So they, it's been, you know, it was a struggle early on.

It wasn't just a matter of like reverse engineering, this advanced propulsion, you know,

zero point energy. We're talking about something that potentially is even beyond what we can understand,

you know, and it's been described that, you know, all physics is based on an assumed truth to begin

with. So, you know, with that in mind, we have to, we have to understand anything as possible.

And potentially like the term you use, like our, our physics, our education has been intentionally

handicapped to keep us hitting these dead ends, right? So I, so considering that the UFOs themselves

are time machines. And like we're dealing with nothing but time travel, essentially when we're

talking about extraterrestrial vehicles and even our own government, whenever you break those laws

of physics and dimensionally shift and appear in one location, you know, from here to the moon

in an instant, what is happening? Like you are manipulating time. So there's a lot to consider,

I think whenever we're talking about this stuff and how these, these corporations within the

private sector have used and abused this technology and the way it's described in those books is

when they were experimenting with it, they were creating dimensional tears in our space time.

And the early UFO flaps, it wasn't UFOs from space. They were slipping in through other

dimensions. They would call them dimensional invaders or whatever they would call them.

And, you know, they were trying to create a frequency net to patch up those holes. This is all

according to the Sansa time material, which I do believe is, there's based in a lot of truth.

So, I mean, if maybe you wanted to comment on that before we get into these extraterrestrials.

Yeah, yeah, right. So, even just looking at mainstream physics and the path that it took,

I'm looking back on it right now in the mind. So between, I would say between 1890 and 1920,

during that 30 year time span, that is when anti-gravity, invisibility and time travel would have

become possible. Just looking at it, you know, because I sort of talked about this on Ashen Forbes

show, so I don't have to go into all of it here. But the theory of electromagnetism,

just to give an example, James Maxwell, when he developed that theory in the 1860s,

well, that theory, it already included a doorway to anti-gravity, to manipulating space time,

but he did, he decided not to go down that road. He got really close to it and he said, well,

but the ether, as far as we know, it's not elastic, so you can't really stretch it and rip,

wait, didn't say like rip open holes in it, but that's what he was implying. And then,

so we're not just, we're just not going to go there. So he never went there, but the thing is

other people did. And they had since that time, another 20 years, 30 years, until the 1890s,

before they really started applying it. And once you had like Tesla with his AC generators,

at that point, he had enough power to produce the electricity and currents that you need

in order to rip open these portals in space time. And so you can, you can use conventional technology

in unconventional ways using these expanded hidden physics, these aspects of physics that are

hidden from the mainstream, in order to manipulate space time and so on. So the thing is,

if humans can do it, then of course, aliens can do it, whatever they actually are.

And you know, that's another reason why for people to say that aliens are nothing, but this

carnit demons pretending to be aliens. I mean, there is that element, but to say that it's all

that, it doesn't really fit because the thing is we ourselves, using our unconventional

technologies, we can do invisibility, we can go through solid walls, like the Philadelphia

experiment of the 1940s. Okay, I think it was like 1943 or something. The Philadelphia experiment,

where they modified a US naval ship in order to, they had coils around it and they rotated

the magnetic field in a certain way in order to warp space and time. And supposedly, the ship

teleported. Yeah. A great distance. And then when it came back, and when it came back, some of the

sailors were embedded in the walls of the ship. It's almost like they had phased through solid

batter and they were stuck in there. And then the other ones that weren't and they came out,

some of them went crazy. Some of them burst into flames because what there's reasons for that is

because they weren't synchronized with our time rate and time has to do with energy. So you get,

you get these sudden influxes of energy from space time. It's kind of complicated, but the thing is

it all kind of fits. And so that was in the 1940s, so you can imagine, with it being like almost

a hundred years later, what kind of technology they have now. I mean, they've, they've perfected it.

Maybe, maybe not as much as aliens have because here's the thing. If you rip a portal

in space time and you go out into hyperspace, then how do you navigate that hyperspace? You can't

just like steer, you know, as you would a car or an airplane, there's an air to like, you know,

movie around. You have to steer with consciousness. And so the more consciously sophisticated you are,

the more you can navigate within hyperspace. And aliens have a natural superior psychic ability

than humans do. And they have faster brains because they genetically modify themselves to be,

you know, way smarter than we are. So they would have still superiority within the domain of

hyperspace than we would do with our technology. So what I'm trying to say is, even though there's

advanced technology, there is still a conscious component to it that needs to also be sophisticated

in order to make the maximum use of it. And that is what gives aliens still superior power over

even our own black ops. So. Right. Yeah. And to add to the your point about the Philadelphia

experiment, you know, they, you know, whenever they're essentially traversing time, you know,

it's, they call it molecular dissociation. Like it, you're entire, the higher physical body

is dissociating and then re re merge it reforming whenever it makes a jump. And whenever it reforms

and phases back into wherever reality or timeline you're, you're jumping to, that's whenever you

it blended in with this ship and a furniture and the walls and stuff. And they, they say that happened

due to a lack of a psychic navigator because they didn't know where they were going. They call

the psychic navigator. And I happened to be recently, I stayed with this, this man in Sedona.

He's 85 years old. And he's a quantum physicist who worked 40 years in a shadow government,

reverse engineering UFO technology. And he was brought in long time ago after the Philadelphia

experiment to perfect this, what he called what he told me, dimensional shift technology. He said

it was the size of a room for lack of a better, you know, example in the USS Eldridge. And by the

time he left the program, he said it was a size of a cell phone or a credit card. He said it was

a size of credit card. And there's a dimensional shift technology that the human can carry on

their person and literally shift, you know, teleport shift out of this, the reality and go to the moon,

whatever, wherever there was no limits. He said, he goes, the only reason that we would, it would

take us three months to get to Mars is because that our belief system would limit us to three months.

He said, if you understand what we're truly capable of, you can be there in any location,

in any coordinate, in an instant. And this is coming from a quantum physicist who claims to have.

And then he, like, he had an answer for every question, like, he was definitely involved in these

programs. So he won't talk him, he won't talk on camera, he won't publicly come forward.

Because he still has access to a lot of information and access to the underground network,

which he told me all about. But so we're talking about that. If he's not lying, if he's,

if he's being truthful, then the, I mean, we have no idea what we're actually capable of. And

that's just his knowledge, right? That's his perspective from what he's seen and been involved with.

So it's just something to consider. Like we can do a lot more than we even understand.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think the reason why that is is because reality fundamentally is consciousness.

It is actually a consciousness field that we as our own consciousnesses are existing within.

I mean, we're like, we're like little eddies in an ocean, you know, we're made of water,

but we're, we're our own separate structures, but we're still made of water, right? So we're like,

these structures within a greater field of consciousness. And so it is, it is the programming of

consciousness that field of consciousness that creates physics as we know it. Right. And our own,

beliefs do play a big part of it. But there's also, I think, a kind of universal subconscious

that holds the majority of physics in place. And if he can overcome that as well, if he can

break that machine, then you can break physics that it is enforcing. So you know, it's a,

it's a co-creative process between our own consciousness and that. Now the thing is, you know,

even even in our own lives right now, you can experiment with synchronicities, you can experiment

with manifesting, you know, using your own conscious intention to create synchronicity

opportunities and attract things into yourself and life. And if you do that enough, you convince

yourself that, okay, some part of my consciousness does have some degree of control over reality.

Now what does that say? Well, that right there just proves most of the physics skeptics that are

out there that say, oh, no, the universe is its own cold machine. And consciousness is just a

product of that cold machine. You know, we're just an epiphenomenon of it. Well, no, you can

just prove that easily just by doing some manifesting experiments. So I think reality is

fundamentally conscious. And either you play by the rules of that universal subconscious,

which the ancients would call the DemiRG, either you play by its rules and you use physics principles

to engine your machines that can, you know, break space time and allow for time travel and everything

like that. Or you override those rules by transcending it and using just your consciousness to kind of

go beyond physics itself. And that's how you can like teleport. And so there are these higher

beings, which I'll talk about momentarily that they have achieved that level of conscious control.

And so they don't need UFOs to travel. They don't need machines to open portals and do all this

kind of stuff because those things, those are all happening within the narrative or the fiction,

the narrative of the fiction that we exist within, which is that this is a solid reality. And,

you know, we are just like a lot of the jungle doggy dog kind of thing where we are just

subject to the whims of a cold deterministic machine. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And that so that

guy, I, that quantum physicist, he, what he told me he did was tasked with doing was training him

in his team. They were all quantum physicists and they were brought in because of their IQs

and their test scores and stuff. And he explains, he explained to me how he was even brought into

these shadow programs. I forgot what he called them, but they were tasked with training with

the aboriginals in Africa, Australia and Easter Island. And he said he had to spend nine months

with each group until he could learn how to physically teleport his body until all of them could

physically teleport their body like the aboriginals already know how to do. This is something they

innately know how to do. And he explained to me what it was like living amongst these tribes. And

he goes, they can phase it out just like a Sasquatch, like these people, they already have that,

they're already, they've never lost that ability. Right. We've lost that ability. But he had,

they had to train with them. And the reason they wanted these guys to be able to teleport

their physical bodies because they were recovering these UFOs that they couldn't get inside of.

There was no doors. So they literally wanted these guys to teleport inside the craft. And they were

successful, according to what he told me. But it was important. He brought up the Philadelphia

experiment as an example because he said, if you don't, he goes the first step to teleporting

this remote viewing and remote viewing in itself is time travel. And he said, you have to become

such a good remote viewer to see where you're going. Because if you don't know where you're going,

if you can't psychically navigate your jump, then you could end up inside of a rock or inside of

a solid object when you phase in. It's like the Philadelphia experiment. So first and foremost,

before you can even attempt to teleport, you have to perfect and master remote viewing.

And it's just something you don't, we don't really think about. But you know, he was saying,

like, matter of fact, there are people on this planet that can do that. They have the ability,

including the aboriginals. Yeah, I totally believe it. Because as you mentioned, Sasquatch,

the way that a lot of big foot encounters go, these things seem to phase in and out of our reality.

So that's why I mean, it's not like they're just just as these apes living in the forest. No,

I mean, they kind of come here and then they can phase out as well. And there are historical

reports of regular, I mean, not regular humans, but it's humans like us developing the ability to

by-locate, to teleport, to levitate. Right? So, hey, humans have done it. So it's not out of the

possibility for big foot to do it or these aborigines. I mean, they're humans too, but I mean,

I'm saying there's just other other things that can do the same thing and they've probably taken

it to a much higher art than we have accidentally throughout history. Yeah. So, okay, let's talk about

before we get into the tiers of these extraterrestrials. And Aaron, did you have any questions before we

move on? No, no, but like you said, it's already in our documented ancient history. Like many,

many yogis and masters and stuff have defied physics and teleported and levitated and

pushed their hand into a rock and make a handprint and, you know, footprint and stuff like that.

So clearly, there's tons of proof that you can defy the laws of physics by your own consciousness.

And then we see the Sasquatch doing it. And, you know, like you said, they're not just these

primitive apes. They're actually advanced beings. I've been on the planet for a really long time.

They're kind of been hiding as protection, you know, until they're until we get to a point where

they're safely able to come out amongst us, which, which we're moving into. And amongst other

ET races, I do believe it will be happening. And I believe we're kind of in this phase of getting

prepared for that right now along with the war going on as well, you know. Right, right. Yeah, well

said. So I want to, I want to help our audience understand how this technology that we're discussing

is used for my lab abductions. I know this is something you briefly touched on in, you know,

other interviews, but whenever they allegedly they have the ability to abduct our consciousness

during a REM state of sleep, put it into a clone body and perform a mission in another reality

in our timeline, even in this timeline, and then put back and then you wake up in the morning

and you don't know any better unless you get bleed through, which does occur. And that's how we

even learned about it. So maybe you can explain your understanding of the of the possibility of that

and how that how that's actually been accomplished. Yeah. So from the my lab abduction accounts that I've

seen and also what I personally experienced, because I'm not just an alien abductee. I've also

had my lab stuff as well. There are basically two methods. Well, so there are like three methods

that they could use to bring you to their underground base. One method is the actual just

plain old physical abduction, and that requires like a van or a truck or helicopter or something to

literally physically take you, you know, like armed guards and everything armed guards taking you out.

But that's like a really primitive method. That's almost barely never used unless you just have

to be so close to a base that they don't even bother with the whole teleportation technology.

So the physical method is one. The other method is literally opening up a portal in your bedroom,

like when your wall is literally turns into a portal, and there there's the base on the other

side of it and they take you through. That's another one. And then the third one is a more direct

form of teleportation. That's more similar to like Star Trek teleportation where there's like energy

field that goes through you and you I wouldn't say you demolecularize, but you maybe get shifted out

of the space time and then shift it over and then kind of shift it back in. So that sort of a thing.

But I mean, they're all kind of similar. And that's easy to do because if you think about it,

as you said, it's almost like time travel. It's almost like remote viewing because what you're

doing with remote viewing when you're when you're remote viewing to that extent is you're capturing

the vibrational essence of the remote point like it's it's key signature. It's coordinates within

consciousness space. And then those coordinates then are what allow you to teleport to that area.

So you can kind of use that in reverse to bring a remote object to you as well. If you lock

into it signature and then you kind of shift it out and then move it towards you. So I think that's

all they're doing. I think they're locking onto you and then bringing you to that new

consciousness coordinate system, which is their their underground base.

Well, yeah, I mean, that was it was very well explained. So you said this has happened to you,

like your my my lab experience is, do you what would you like to share any of those stories or

is that something you're not comfortable with? Well, the thing is I've never done hypnotic

regression. So my memory is my conscious memory is only go up to a certain point. And so actually

90% of what I have is the after effects and the pre effects of it because the thing is if okay,

so both the my lab, the military abductions and the alien abductions, both of them mess with your

memory and they can suppress your memory and the older that you get, especially if you're not a

child anymore, the more hardened or crystallized your mind becomes like it's less plastic. And so

it's easier to crack and cleave into into into another compartment that you can access from your

regular conscious state. So the thing is I remember my childhood alien abductions up to a point,

but the older I got the harder it was to remember any of it, but I knew that they were still

happening because of the after effects like bruises and laser, laser cuts, weird like scratches

and stuff, you know, all over the body and PTSD symptoms and our cat to be frazzled and you know

it's something happened, you know, the night before. So some of these my lab things I remember,

I remember being like an underground base that looked almost like an abandoned subway station,

but I could tell it wasn't like a public subway station. It's more like an underground base

like station where you you get loaded onto a mag lift train or something and you get sent off through

a tunnel. I remember being one of those and being lured around in a group by a military guy with a

weird flashlight thing that would flash in a certain pattern and it would kind of shift your

state of consciousness. It's like a severe MK Ultra programming thing. And later, have fun enough,

I found that exact same flashlight through a Google search. Really? Yeah, it was like a

like a like a like a spotlight with a curly cord on it that went to a battery pack on the hip

that you were on the hip, you know. So I found the exact same thing and but I had no idea that

those things even existed prior to me finding it. So I looked it up only because of that so

you know, so-called dream that I had. So I think there could have been something something to that,

but I'm not like a I don't I'm not like one of those really intense my labs that remembers a lot

of the experiences and goes on these shows and gets to talk about it. So I only have little clips

is here and there. And so that's why I don't really talk about it too much because I don't have

as much as what some of these other more involved my lab people do. Right. Well, I appreciate that.

I mean, because it's honest and and I even think like I've done regressions before and I don't

even share the stuff that has come through my regressions because it's still hard for me to wrap

my head around like I don't know like if it's not a solid conscious memory that I'm confident

that I know happened then I'll share that probably, but when it comes to regression like okay,

even though that came out of my own mouth, it's still I don't technically remember it. It came

through the session, but it's not a memory if that makes sense. So I still I'm I'm reserved when

I when I talk about it and I appreciate that, you know, because it's healthy and we don't want

to muddy the waters with, you know, things that aren't happening. So okay, I guess this would be a good

time to segue into the different categories of extraterrestrials and yeah, I mean, I don't even

you probably know more of them than I do. So maybe you can just, you know, start from the bottom and

build, you know, build your way up and help our audience understand and us understand how you

would classify these and and how they all fit in with each other. So back in the 40s and 50s,

when the UFO thing really broke into mass consciousness, people thought that they were

spaceman, that there were people just like us that came from other planets and and just more advanced

spacecrafts. And that was called the extra terrestrial hypothesis, extra terrestrial meaning beyond

earth. So that was the prevailing assumption for many decades at the time. However, as time went

on, people like Jacques Valet and John Keel and others who really started digging into this,

they found that a lot of these UFO experiences, these these these these contacts were supposed

at aliens, they included a lot of what they called high strangeness. In other words, they didn't

fit the typical mold of what you would expect of a spaceman and physical vehicle. There was more

almost like paranormal occult aspects to it, almost like consciousness was more part of the equation.

And I think what they were picking up on is I think they were picking up on the quantum

nature of some of these beings that they weren't 100% physical, I guess, but they're sort of beyond

and they're able to shift between space times and they didn't have the perfect quantum lock on us,

you know, so things would get kind of weird. So I think they're picking up on that, but

but the extra terrestrial thing. So extra terrestrial, that would be the the lowest category of this

of this hierarchy that I'm talking about. Okay, so extra terrestrial just means 100% physical,

just like us, you know, I mean, if we went 500 years in the future and we looked at humans and

they had space travel and maybe a little bit of more psychic abilities, I mean, that's that's

basically what these ET's would be in the old extraterrestrial hypothesis assumption. And they would

have more advanced technology. They'd be more intelligent. They might like as I mentioned,

they might have some psychic powers, but they would still be physical and they would still use

conventional technology that we could understand with our current physics. So we just took it a little

bit further. Okay, you know, so that's what ET's are. But the thing is a lot of aliens are not,

they don't fit within that mold. And why? Well, it's because they can phase through walls,

they have that quantum property that somehow depends on our own free will and plausible

deniability factor, you know, the whole quantum observer effect in Heisenberg and certain

new principle. They seem to be a little bit beyond linear time, maybe coming from different

probable futures or from alternate realities. And so once we start out talking about those classes

of beings, instead of just being extra terrestrial, I call these things ambi terrestrial, ambi

as amphibious, like in between two different realms. And the reason why I say that is because

they seem to have the ability to adjust their degree of physicality as we would measure it.

So phasing into our reality, phasing out of our reality. But in either place, they're still like

physical. It's just they're not physical to us anymore because now they're on like a different

radio station. Okay. Right. So it's not extra terrestrial anymore. It's weird quantum thing.

That's what I call ambi terrestrial. And I think the majority of aliens would fit within that,

that realm. Because the thing is once you develop your conscious powers and your technology,

at some point, you're going to override the regular laws of physics. And you're going to become

native to what is beyond that. You can become native to hyperspace or to some other realm or

something like that. You're not going to be limited to just one space time one linear timeline as

we are. And as regular ET's would be. Okay. So that's ambi terrestrial. Now if you go even

further than that, then you wouldn't even need technology anymore because you could just use

your conscious powers to do everything. And that's what I call ultra terrestrial. Now that's a

term that has been used, but it hasn't really been used with an agreed upon definition,

you know, because some people use these terms interchangeably. Like, oh, interdimensional means ultra

terrestrial and means whatever. But I kind of differentiate between these. So ultra terrestrial to me

and means having conscious mastery over matter, energy, space, and time to where you don't need

technology anymore. And you just use your own consciousness to do things to travel to, you can

materialize ships if you want to, but you don't really need to. You can, depending on how powerful

you are as an ultra terrestrial, you could materialize for yourself a physical human body

and walk amongst us, you know, humans in society unbeknownst to anyone around them. Yeah. So like

historically, like supposed encounters with let's say angels. Okay. So people that believe they've

had encounters with the actual true bonafide angels, those angels might show up in the

guise of a homeless person or a child or someone unassuming. Okay. And but then the thing is the

person looks back all of a sudden that person is gone. So these people can appear and disappear.

And during the contact, they might say something that ends up being very instrumental to that

person's spiritual path. So there's like a enlightened, enlightened push to the presence. And so

that's like a positive ultra terrestrial. Okay. That's something that natively exists as an energy

being, but that can materialize a physical body here when it needs to in order to enact

positive divine type agenda. Okay. So that's like a positive ultra terrestrial. But the thing is

there are also negative ultra terrestrial and they are extremely dark beings that have the ability

to also project themselves here physically, but they're more limited for different reasons.

And those are, I guess, what the Nostrics would call the arcons. So arcons, you know, there's

different ways of defining it. I know Jay Whedner. He defines them as, oh, they know they're just

alien hybrids. Well, I don't think so. I think it goes way beyond that. I think arcons are actually

these dark, demonic overlords that are so powerful that they don't even spend time as physical beings

anymore. They stay in this non-physical, natively astral kind of state. And from what I can tell,

based on the abduction accounts, there is a hierarchy within the alien, a lot of these alien

factions, they have a hierarchy where at the very, very, very bottom, they might have hybrids.

And the hybrids, I guess, to us, they'd be like extra terrestrial because they're basically human.

They don't really, they're not really quantum as much as we are or as much as some of these other

aliens are. So we got those. And then above that, you've got these ambient terrestrial aliens who

can kind of phase in and out between realities. And then above that, you have these ultra terrestrial

set. They don't even have bodies, really. They're like these energy forms that exist in another

dimension that these other lower aliens kind of treat as almost like gods or these superiors.

So right at the cusp, you know, that's where you would find, let's say, the praying mantis

tybalians. And then above them is where you would start getting into more of these ultra terrestrial

energy forms, archons, things like that. And now the interesting thing about that is that if you,

if you look into demonology, like the demon phenomenon, which is real, I mean, there are like actual

dark beings that we could call demons. Doesn't mean that it's necessarily a Christian phenomenon

because you find demonic tybalians also within like Islam and Native cultures and, you know,

ancient Babylonian stuff. So Sumerian, like demons were a thing a long time ago, right? So

dark, these dark humanoid energy forms, they've always existed. But the thing is they also have a

hierarchy. And the higher you go up in that hierarchy, the more powerful and physically effective

those beings become. And so at the very top of the demonic hierarchy, you have these demonic overlords

that are exactly the same as the top of the alien hierarchy, the negative alien hierarchy.

So the negative alien hierarchy, you start off as physical aliens at the bottom. You get

increasing the less physical as you go up to the top. And the demonic hierarchy, you start off

as non-physical at the bottom, like these astral parasites. And then you go up above that,

and eventually you get to these powerful demons that can affect physicality itself.

So you get this merger at the top of these two separate hierarchies, these negative hierarchies.

And so that's why I think these archons are sort of the top of both the negative alien and

the demonic hierarchy. And I think that's where a lot of confusion comes from within the Christian

circles where they say aliens are demons. Not necessarily, but there is a relationship between

the alien phenomenon and the demonic phenomenon. But it's not like the alien that you get abducted

by is exactly the same thing as a demon that might harass you as you try to sleep. They're not

the same thing. But at the very top, their command structure, I think that there is a definite

merger at the top of that pyramid. So extraterrestrials are physical, ambient terrestrials are

like variable physical, and ultra terrestrials are these non-physical, super powerful, almost godlike

energy beings that have mastery over space and time. Right. So, okay. So I've heard that was amazing,

by the way. That was great. That was incredible. And it resonates, and it all makes sense,

like they're at the top there would be some Archon manipulator, master puppet master, whatever,

you know, it's kind of pulling the strings. And you know, what about, okay, before I go on to the

next thing, I was going to ask you, what about the angelic side of this? The service, there's

a service to self and the service to others is the law of one term. So what you described sounded

like the service to self negative kind of hierarchy, but there's also a positive one as well.

Yeah. So what would you, like, how would you describe that? And, you know, we hear about the,

you know, these lions and these Pleiadians and all these groups that are, you know, essentially

benevolent, I mean, everything does duality within every race, right? But, you know, the benevolent

side of all this where we have the angels and these groups that are here helping us, would they fit

into the same hierarchy, that same structure just of the white? Essentially, you could have two

parallel structures. You can have the service to self, the negative or the service to others,

the positive. And also, so at the top of the positive one, at the very, very, very tippy top,

of course, that's you would have the infinite divine creator. I mean, just logically speaking,

that's where the, the trend points to see the infinite creator above that. And then beneath that,

you would have, I guess you could call them, instead of our cons, it'd be arch angels,

it's arch angels and then angels. And then beneath that, you get these other beings that are,

you put them on the level of ambitrestrials, essentially. So there, there are beings that,

they're, so there's two kinds of powerful positive beings. There are ones that come from the top

that are emanated by the divine. And they never, they've never had physical incarnations ever.

And that's what you would typically find as angels or arch angels. They are emanations of the

divine, that embody different divine archetypes. They're almost like, I don't want to say AI because

they do have consciousness. So they're not like artificial consciousness, but they are creations,

direct creations from the divine, that serve a divine function. And then you have other ones that

have worked their way up from the bottom. So they could have been humanoid at one point. And then

they, you know, transcendent physicality. And then they, you know, became increasingly spiritually

masterful of their own consciousness and in harmony, in alignment with the divine. And so then

they become these divine servants almost. You could, you could almost call them like divine

masters in a way. I don't want to use the term ascended masters because that term has really

become corrupted within the new age field. Right. But, but, but they are something like that.

They were, they're like, so-called ascended masters. And it beneath them, you know, you have like,

it's not a command structure so much as different grades of sophistication, you know, the same way.

You know, it's not like a 12th grader commands a fourth grader. It's not how it works. It's just

there's different levels of development. And so even within the human sphere, okay. But we're like,

you and me, because we are interested in these topics, we have an orientation that is a little more

transcendent, transcendent versus the average person who's only interested in sports and money and

sex and drugs or whatever. Okay. So we're just like a little bit above that. But the thing is even

within human sphere, there are so many higher levels than even where we are at. And those higher

levels, we would call those like saints or positive secret societies, spiritual masters,

things like that. People that are still human, but they're starting to approach that threshold

of overcoming what it means to be a limited human. You know, and some of these aborigines who can

teleport supposedly, they're on that level within their culture. But you find the same thing even

within Western culture amongst certain rose accrucians or alchemists or in the east amongst certain

Hindu yogis or, you know, like like Taoist yoga or Buddhist masters, Tibetan masters. Yeah, yeah.

So there's a spectrum even within humanity. And so it stands to reason that beyond that spectrum,

there is an even higher spectrum that probably continues within the the discarnate afterlife

astral state, where there are beings that they're not ultra-trustreels yet. They're just non-physical,

but they continue their spiritual education and mastery within these these afterlife spiritual

planes. And from there on, it keeps going higher and higher. So that's like the more positive hierarchy.

Now, the question is, are there such things as positive aliens as well? Is there a parity between

the negative alien spectrum and the positive spectrum? And I would say sort of, but not necessarily,

it's not like there are like positive graves and positive reptilians and positive mantids. I don't

think so. But there are, I think, there are physical beings that have advanced technology that are

psychic, that are super intelligent, that are what we would consider benevolent or positive.

And the thing is someone could say, well, they're aliens and they're so smart that there's no way

that we can comprehend them. So therefore, there's no way we can say whether they're whether they're

benevolent or not because we can't even comprehend where they're coming from. And that might be true

if we're dealing with some like interdimensional octopus from another galaxy, you know, maybe at

that point, we can't even comprehend it. But the thing is these beings, a lot of them are humanoid.

They look humanoid. They can speak. I mean, they're telepathic, but they can also speak. They've

got two eyes. They can breathe our air. They can operate in our environments. So they're not that

different. I mean, they're very different, but they're not that different. So we are still able

to approximate an understanding of them. And I think the more positive divine ones, they are

understandable as such. Now, the problem is, the problem is that the negative alien agenda,

well, agenda is because there's multiple ones. A lot of that involves deception. In other words,

pretending to be good guys, offering Trojan horses, offering false choices, you know, like the

hybrid breeding program. There's so many abductees out there that are told, hey, you know, we're trying

to integrate humans with gray DNA so that we can take some of your emotions and put them back into

our gene pool so we can experience emotions again. That's a baloney story. I don't believe that for

a second, because grays, grays are, well, they're kind of blameless because they're just task workers.

They're not themselves necessarily displaying much autonomy, but they're working for something

else. And that's something else has malevolent intentions. And a lot of those intentions involve

deception. So the reason why I bring this up is because a lot of these grays, they might pretend

to be positive aliens, either as themselves or to project the guys of being a play, a play

Indian or a Lairon or whatever. And so because of that, we have within the new age and channeling

community a kind of false, disinformative fantasy built up of what positive aliens are like.

There's a lot of Disney, cartoon style caricatures of positive beings. And the reason

you can tell that that is, that way is because the so-called positive platyons or whatever the way

that they're portrayed. It's very sappy. It's just dripping in sugar. It's not true divine

clarity. It doesn't lift up your consciousness. It actually pacifies you. You get a sugar crash

when the amount of sweetness that these things are loaded up with in the narratives.

And so the thing is, you can look at all that and you can say, okay, well, that's just clearly

baloney because these people are being deceived by lying demons or grays or whatever. And therefore,

there's no such things as positive aliens. Well, that's a logical fallacy because you could still

have positive beings, but they just might not be the ones that are being lauded within the new age

channeling field, which is a caricature of the real thing. So in all my research, I have detected

a signature or footprint of genuine positive alien beings, but they're not in the majority.

And they are incredibly subtle about their actions. Maybe because of some law of non-interference

or something, some prime directive. Yeah. So the prime directive is, you know, in Star Trek.

Well, I said the thing is, so Star Trek itself, Gene Roddenberry, he was associated with the

channeling community and with uphology and he knew abductees and contactees. He got a lot

of information from that, including probably government insiders. And he incorporated some of those

ideas into Star Trek. So these Star Trek guys, you know, in the Starfleet uniforms and that's

a model after the Nordic aliens. So there's a little bit of truth to that. But as I

as I mentioned, the whole new age channeling field has sort of run away with that and created

this fantasy from it. Well, it's a perfect way to inject fall slight into the community and

counter the ascension. And you know, it's like a savior complex program where people give their

power away to something outside themselves. And that's exploited in the unhealed humans, right?

Because we're all, you know, going through this healing process. So, and I do believe there are

genuine channelers that do get, you know, actual benevolent beings coming through them. But I think

it's like you said, more subtle. It's more subtle because of non interference or, you know, they just,

they don't have a reason to come in here and manipulate things and start a pot because they

understand that we're all on this evolutionary path that's going to, you know, we're learning

lessons and, you know, we're evolving based on our own lessons. And like, they're not going to

interfere with that because they see the beauty and they see the light in that. So I do believe it's

more subtle and Aaron, you look like you want to say something. Yeah. One of the best ways you can

really tell between what is a either somebody's making it up because there's that too, or it's

something a trickster negative coming through trying to, like you said, pose as a being of light.

Is, is the message more empowering to you to say like you have the power? You're like waking

that up within you. Or is it more of a savior message of like putting themselves on this pedestal

and you're these lowly humans and you need to like worship us and we're coming here to save you

and that will save your program. And if you can like, if it's more like that,

not good, not benevolent. That's a, that's a, that's a simple, more of a simple way to the

kind of see. And to your point that they're not much different than us is very accurate because

for them to take the form of the five star figure, right? The human body, you know, head, arms,

legs, your mouth, everything, you know, everything we can do means that they operate on us on the same

or very similar belief system as we do. And so we're already, we're already close because of

our belief system. If we weren't in the same belief system, then we would be that, you know,

interdimensional octopus that you talked about. So we're already operating within the same laws

of the universe based on how we look and how, you know, how we present ourselves and how we

appear to each other. And that's why we can even perceive each other. So yeah, we are a lot more

similar than we might, you know, than we might think. And I think that's a great point that you

brought up. Yeah. Yeah. It's like we were similar in that respect in the sense that it is

comprehensible, if we really, really try, well, at least comprehensible through metaphors and so on.

But of course, the top of their hierarchy are these ultra-terrestrial energy beings. And maybe,

maybe those are the ones that are very difficult for us to comprehend because they're not even

humanoid, okay? But they have had to translate their agenda down through different levels that

started approaching us. So these aliens, these hybrids that are like the five star pattern, right?

Well, that's what they are. Maybe they were created to interface with us to manipulate us. And

that's why they have that form. Or maybe they look that way simply because they are from other

worlds, even other planets where the human DNA genome thing has been seated on other worlds. And

maybe they've had their own separate history for a million years or whatever, okay? There's all

these different possibilities. But the thing is some of it's comprehensible and some of it isn't,

but even if it isn't, in order for it to even interact with us, it has to be translated through

a filter that is understandable to us. So there is an element to the alien thing that

we can't understand. And therefore, we should try. And we can't just say, oh, no, it's all

a nebulous alien phenomenon. We can't comprehend any of it. So that's not even dry. That's not a

that's not a good approach. Yeah, I agree. Absolutely. I mean, this is such a fascinating conversation

to really, I mean, expand in the way that you have and throughout your research. I mean, this is,

I mean, I don't even know what your books, like the books you've written, do they cover this type of

subject matter or whether they're books? Yeah. So if you're if you're interested in

the alien issue, including what I mentioned, extraterrestrials,

ambient terrestrials, extraterrestrials, the positive versus negative types,

how to tell a difference, how to discern between them. And it also gets into a use that

Aaron about, is it empowering or not? You know, that's like a one of those key metrics. So what

does empowerment really, right? Empowerment is increasing your knowledge, your awareness,

your free will, your self determination, your volition, all those things. And so if you have

a being that is interested in making you more clear, more knowledgeable, more able to discern

a deception, then typically that tends to be a more positive type of being, right? Because what

you what you normally find with the ones that are pretending to be positive, but they're actually

negative, is that, man, they'll tell you the history of the universe. They'll tell you that

you yourself, you know, used to be an Atlantean priest or priestess and they'll they'll play to your

ego and they'll try they'll try to weave you into their false narrative in order to position

you beneath them so that they can start controlling you. That's one of the one of the key things they

do. And they use ego hooks, they use the air of authority, you know, like, oh, we are from this,

you know, Syrian star council and we've chosen you as our ambassador. That's sort of a thing.

Um, whereas the more positive ones, uh, they will they'll they'll tend to be more anonymous.

They'll try to put themselves out. You know, I don't worship us, you know, don't, uh, rely on

us. We're trying to give you information, but we'll try to and then they'll tend to tend to be

more so socratic about their teaching methods, trying to get you to think and they'll point you to

different information sources. So so for example, if you have a potential nonhuman source that leads

you towards let's say Carla Turner and Eve Morgan and, uh, well, William Bramley and all these

really good books that make you really think, well, then that source probably isn't negative

because why would a negative source want to lead you towards sources that that are counter,

you know, just infonerative. So and that that sort of thing happens. There are these invisible

pressures that are pushing people whether they know it or not towards finding the right sources

towards becoming more educated towards speaking on these topics to try to differentiate between,

you know, truth and lies. And so there is that's that's what I'm talking about the with that

invisible positive signature or fingerprint. That's why I think that's why I think that something

like that exists. Yeah, and that's interesting. You said the pressure that's kind of guiding you

away or toward stuff. And I found that within my own research, you know, like they'll be they'll be

influencers, channelers, books, whatever that people just love and they're raving about and I

did never even come into my awareness. And people are like, have you never heard that and then I'll

look into it. And I start getting like a sick feeling in my stomach. I'm like, oh, this is like

this is the trick strategy. And but but it's like thousands of people have been hooked. And you're

like, whoa, like, and I'm like, now I understand why this hasn't been like brought to my awareness.

I've been actually being protected from this information. I believe like some of, you know,

if you're operating from the heart and doing everything in integrity and just have the best

intentions, like you're going to be divinely protected and you're you're going to be if you keep

a clean up vessel, there's less chance for manipulation, right? And obviously there's always

the distractions and there's going to be the attempts. But that's how we learn. So if you can just

maintain a clear channel and, you know, a healthy lifestyle, I think you're going to be guided

in the right direction. And you can kind of steer clear from those traps because they are traps.

They're consciousness traps, actually. And, you know, people think that they're striking gold and

they've they've they've found this like galactic emissary who has all the secrets to the universe and

they're sharing, you know, and but but what it's not empowering actually and and and like I truly

believe in some times most of the time it might be the dark, you know, the devil never shows up as

a devil, right? The fall slide is real and it's part of the story right now because this is a war,

a spiritual war, a temporal war, a physical war, you know, 3d every on all layers right now.

Want more. Exactly. So I mean, we're talking about, you know, things change in the fog of war.

And there's nothing there's no blanks that these groups won't go to to save face and save their

agenda under timelines or collapsing. I mean, we're this is part of the reality of the situation.

So there's desperate measures in place right now. And and I think that all things need to be

considered. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's one reason why because you asked about my books earlier.

So one of those books, which I was going to lead into is it's called discerning alien disinformation

appropriately enough because that's exactly what that book does. And you could find that book on

my website for free as an article series or you know, you can pick it up for cheap on Amazon.

So discerning alien disinformation. It's got one chapter in there which literally shows you

examples of the alien disinfo that is out there. And I counter each point. So I show what it says

I counter it to point out like how wrong it is. And I do that for an entire chapter. And then I go

through the different alien types, the disinformation methods. I really, really break it down. And then

the final chapter chapter six, that's where I go into the nuances of distinguishing between

negatives pretending to be positive and potentially authentic positive ones. How can you tell the

difference between them? So offer the book as food for thought, you know, not as I'm not trying to

like beat it over your head, trying to program me with it. I'm trying to give it as food for thought.

So yeah, check out that book and it'll make you think it'll really make you think about

what's out there. And so once you read that book and then you go on the internet and you look at

these channeling sources or what abductees or contactees like Ryan Blitzer or saying, you can

look at that. And you can say, oh, yeah, I recognize that trick. I want to know that pattern and so on

based on this book. So it's a useful book. So check that one out. I have that one. I have

fringe knowledge for beginners, which is a short, it's a quick read. It's about, it's an introduction

to all the, I mean, you guys are probably beyond that now, but anyone who's new to the field of

awakening, you'll get a kick out of it because it covers the negative, the positive, spiritual,

the physical, you know, it covers all of that. It's like a nice, all-in-one kind of thing.

And then my third book, which came out a couple years ago, it's called Nosis, Alchemy,

Grail, Ark, and the Demiurge. And it is about the influence of alien technology within human

history, including ancient times. So I get into the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant, Alchemy,

ancient history, the pyramids, all that stuff. And I and I show how these things are actually the

result of advanced technologies that are not human and how, therefore, human history is actually

a bit of a chessboard between different alien and ultra-terrestrial agendas. So that's a

pretty fascinating one too. Yeah, that one actually, I would actually really like to read that one

because, you know, the Ark, the Holy Grail, I mean, there's so many theories surrounding all of it,

but, you know, being a technological device, you know, the Holy Grail can, I've heard, it might

be an actual chalice. It could be just representing the Holy Blood that they drink and that, you know,

to produce longevity and, you know, the extended life spans because, or even, you know,

get into a dream of chrome. But the Ark of the Covenant, that's something that we've heard over and

over, be described as a technology. So what is your conclusion as far as what the Ark of the Covenant

will be? So the way that I built it up in the book, and I'm going to go on a little tangent,

but I'll come back to it. So in the book, I started out talking about alchemy and what alchemy

actually is. And so when alchemy actually is, it's a method of using etheric energies. So subtle

energies, life force energy, organ, she, frana, whatever you want, whatever you want to call it,

using those energies within chemistry in order to create chemical products that are not what you

would expect under typical chemical rules because you're operating by these these quantum metaphysical

subtle energies that alter the laws of physics. And that's how you end up producing the flassover

stone. And so the flassover stone, it is a, it's a physical substance, and it's an actual real

thing. It's not just a metaphor. I mean, you can interpret alchemy metaphorically like young did

for psychological spiritual processes, but there is an actual laboratory science to it, okay?

And you can produce the flassover stone, and it does lead to psychic powers, life extension,

and other incredible things. But what it is is it's a very concentrated form of etheric energy

that is imbued into a physical substance. And it is so strong that if you imbibe it, you know,

if you take it, it jacks up your own etheric energy field. It's almost like a like a match

lighting a forest on fire. So you're the forest. The flassover stone is an etheric fire, and you

buy part of it in the lights you'll be theoretically. And that's how you get life extension and psychic

powers and everything. So the reason why I mentioned that is because that same science can be taken

to a much higher degree within alien technology or maybe even ancient human technology back when

we were another civilization that was super advanced, okay? But with that technology, you can

create physical things that are imbued with an incredibly strong etheric energy field that is

so strong that it almost develops like an artificial intelligence. It becomes like a thought form

or what the cultists would call an egregore, okay? It's basically it's a self-contained construct

of subtle energies that has its own consciousness. It's like an artificial soul, and you can

impregnate that into a physical vessel like a crystal or something like that. And I think that

is what the so-called tablets of the Ten Commandments that were put into the Ark of the Covenant.

That's what it was. And based on my research and the works that I've read of Frank Joseph and

others, I think there's a lot to be said that the Mount Sinai, which Moses supposedly went up into

to commune with God, it wasn't actually Mount Sinai at the very bottom of the Arabian Peninsula.

It was the Great Pyramid itself because the way that it's described as being three mountains

as being encircleable at the bottom by the troops. I mean the actual true Mount Sinai and then

this out in the Sinai Peninsula, it's too huge. You can't put troops around it, but you can't put

troops around the base of the Great Pyramid. And anyway, they described how Mount Sinai would quake

and trumble and it would glow. Another term for Mount Sinai is Mount Horib, which means glowing

mountain. And back during ancient times, the Great Pyramid was white limestone on the outside,

and it would shine like really brightly. And it would, yeah. And it capstone as well. And when

it was operational, it would create a trembling sound as well as a horn sound. And inside of it,

in the King's chamber, I think it used to be a power source or some sort of crystal device,

which the original Moses brought out and had to store in something because it was a very strong

energy field. And so he put it inside the arc of the covenant. So the arc of the covenant

itself is just a box. You know, it's like a box covered with gold on the inside and outside with

the golden lid, a lot like an organ accumulator, which is multiple layers of metal and inorganic

materials. Anyway, it's a container for a very powerful energy source that had a mind of its own,

whether it was a thought form that was occupying it or whether it was a communication device

towards some interdimensional or ultra-terrestrial entity or something that became the Lord of Israel.

Anyway, so I think that's what the arc of the covenant was. I think it was what I call demi-urgic

technology, which is physical technology that is powered up by etheric and astral

subtle energy fields, and that has its own artificial intelligence to it. Now, the reason why

this matters is because within ephology, within the UFO field, when they talk about a lot of these

UFO ships and vessels, that's pretty much what they are. They are physical things that seem to

have an artificial intelligence to them, so they were living things, semi-living things.

When you try to pilot one of these crafts, you're not just moving levers and pushing buttons,

you're psychically interfacing with the consciousness of the ship itself in order to teleport,

steer, or maneuver, or so on. That's what alien technology tends to be. It tends to be a

physical base that has layered a top of it, different structured, subtle energy fields that perform

additional functions on the psychic plane, or maybe on the plane of manipulating matter

and energy and space and time itself. A lot of this stuff in the Old Testament,

like, for example, the staff that Aaron, which is Moses's brother had, that he was able to do

magical things with, a lot of these things are the overlap with alien technology. They use a

similar kind of physics to it. That's what I talk about in the book, and I talk about how the

Holy Grail probably was the same thing as what was originally in the arc of the covenant,

as just at that point, it was just the crystal by itself, programmed in a different way,

because the the Grail Knights, they were more in tune with the Christly service to other

synergy, whereas the original Jewish, the Hebrew priests, they're more operating by the old

patriarchal kind of vengeful. That's why their God was a big blood-lusty psychopath in the Old

Testament, is because that's sort of what they were tapping into. It was a different, different kind

of programming, but that's what I talk about in my Nosis book, the idea that this kind of alien

technology has shown up throughout history, and it has steered history. I mean, if you think about

it today, in the Middle East, the US stands on the cusp of war with Iran, because Israel wants us to

get into a war with Iran. They're trying to drag us into a war against Iran, which could kill millions

and millions of people. But the only reason that's happening is because Jews exist, and it's only

because of ancient times that they were able to survive the desert and the journey and everything

because of the arc of the covenant, because of alien technology. So there are things that have

happened thousands and thousands of years ago that are still in play today. There are agendas,

bloodlines, geopolitical things that are still happening nowadays because of events that happened

way long ago due to alien technologies and also alien agendas. And so it's a big, it's a big

complicated picture, and I try to map that out within this Nosis book. Wow. So what are your thoughts

in the theory that, you know, revelations was always planned psychological operation.

It was never going to be, you know, it was always a plan. It was never something that was going

to naturally occur, and they've manipulated our past and our timelines so that revelations does

occur, does play out to their benefit. What are your thoughts about? Well, I mean, yeah, yeah.

Well, the thing is there's no doubt about it. There are messianic factions within Christianity

and Judaism that want to see those events play out. And they want to see it play out so much that

they're willing to make those things happen artificially. Okay. So if a revelation says that an

antichrist is going to rise to power, then they're going to manufacture an antichrist just so they

can move things along. And even within like Judaism, for example, the the the the Sabotein Jews, they

they believe that in order to bring about the eventual coming of a messiah, the world has to be

corrupted first, you know, has to be brought to a very dark state. So they freely engage in very

dark practices, almost like black magic, six stuff in order to create the conditions that would

lead to the eventual coming of a messiah. So what I'm trying to say is there are these these crazy,

crazy religious forces that are willing to do what it takes to make it happen. So in that case,

it is like a blueprint, even if originally it wasn't designed as a blueprint. I mean, it could have

could have been John Patmos, you know, tripping on mushrooms for all I know and he had some crazy

vision. But people took it seriously enough that there has been over 2000 years now or almost 2000

years in order for that vision to be made into reality. So either way, I think it could function

more as a blueprint than a prophecy. But the thing is sort of a chicken and egg thing because like

what comes first, especially when you consider time travel and ultra terrestrial forces that are

beyond time, I mean, for all we know, these agendas are happening now, but the past has been

manipulated in order to reinforce it. So what if what if the book of Revelation is ironically enough

a living document that is actually being influenced from the future or even from like right now,

hyperdimensionally, in order to create the feedback loop for us, you know, to continually reflect

what's happening now and what's going to be happening. These are the kinds of crazy

lines of logic you have to go down and once you start taking time travel into consideration.

Yeah, and I actually resonate with with that explanation, I really do. It feels right, there's so

many factors that people won't consider because they haven't, you know, they just, unfortunately,

that understanding that information at knowledge has been kept from us, obviously, you know,

they occult the occultist they have it and but we don't. So like going down those lines of logic,

like you said, I really appreciate that and it makes so much more sense to me. And Aaron,

you're kind of glitching out over there. Are you still with us?

Yeah, I don't know what's going on. I'm glitching out of my end. I don't know why.

Some of my connections unstable too. Okay, well, you're still here, but you're just like,

you know, stop animation Aaron today. Yeah, that's how it looks on my end

for everyone. I don't know why it's doing this. Sorry, guys.

So I'm trying to see if I can fix it.

Tommy mentioned this technology, having like a 3D level and then components in higher

dimensions, essentially, that operate with it. And I've heard other actually come from a

channeler talking about the pyramids and even mountains and some of these ancient structures

that we believe were mountains, but they're just actually their structures right from their far

distant past that look like mountains because they've been so eroded and stuff. And either way,

the way it's been described is like the pyramid itself is the foundation in the third dimension,

but it has other components in other dimensions. And because of that and that's done intentionally,

so that site can be used as a portal site to access the other dimensions. And so if you're talking

about the technology within the pyramid that has other layers to it, the pyramid itself would

likely have other layers as well. Would you agree? Yeah, yeah. And it's even it's even sadder nowadays

because ancient times, it's physical base, which is the physical pyramid, it had even more like

physical layers to it had the machinery inside. It had like levers and, you know, chemicals and

plasmas and everything like that. So what we see nowadays is like the shell of a physical thing,

which itself was only the base of a higher metaphysical thing as well. You know, so as far as

the pyramid goes though, that is something that I analyze in my notice this book. And one thing I

noticed right off the bat is that the structure of the pyramid is modeled after the human form,

or at least some sort of humanoid form. So if you look at the cross section of the pyramid,

where the heart where the heart is, the human heart, it's that part of the cross section,

that's where the underground subterranean pumping chamber is, that used to pump water

up into the pyramid. So it functioned as a heart itself, it was a ram, it was a ramjet pump,

a ramp pump. And if you go up higher above that, where the trachea and the lungs are, that's where

the grand gallery is. And where the voicebox is, that's where the queen's chamber is. And then where

the mouth and the teeth and the tongues are, or tongue is, that's where the antichamber is prior to

the king's chamber. And the antichamber had these vertical slats that could be raised and lowered

to mimic, I think, the position of the tongue and the teeth. In order to modulate the sound that

was coming from the grand gallery, that these resonator things. And then this is something that Chris

done, Christopher done, analyzed in his book, the Giza Power Plant idea. So the king's chamber itself,

it's almost like the front of the mouth. And the little gables, the little slats above the king's

chamber, those actually correspond to the sinus passages. Because the sinus passages have several

different, like, folds in them. And those folds correspond perfectly to those crosslats

above the king's chamber. So that was like a resonance of resonating chamber above it. And then

interestingly enough, where the brain is, within the great pyramid, that's where the, what

did they do? Those neutrino detectors detected some sort of big chamber within the great pyramid?

That's where that is. So there's still something there, which corresponds to the brain. So maybe

that's some sort of hollow records or something that isn't being publicly disclosed. So my theory

is that the great pyramid and originally, it was filled with probably a hydrogen, oxygen plasma

that was very hot and very glowing. And resonance was being pumped through it in order to probably create

scalar waves, in order to do something that involved the arc of the covenant power source that was

kept in the king's chamber. So I think it was either, I don't think it was like a power plant,

I don't think it was a weapon. I think it was probably something to modify a physical reality

itself or Earth itself, maybe shift its axis or stabilize it against a pull shift or

retune reality into some degree. And I mean, I explain this much better in my book than I can here

because we're kind of limited time. I don't know how many diagrams or anything, but yeah, check it out.

Yeah, that's absolutely fascinating and resonates. And I never occurred to me that it's so it's

mimicking the human body, which everything in nature does that already. So it would make sense that

within their structures, they would try to mimic that as well because they would have some

fundamental understanding of that, right? And as above so below, if you look into the human eye,

you can see a universe or a galaxy, right? So I mean, it fits those same principles. And I think

that's, I love that line of thinking. I really appreciate that. So where can people find your books?

I think at Montauk.net, is that worth it? Yeah, if you go to Montauk.net, if you click on books,

you can find all the links there. You know, I've got it to Lulu.com. If you hate Amazon,

or I've got it Amazon, I've got it on Kindle. Now, now, several of my books are free. You can

download it as a PDF or I think even EPUB right off my site. But the notice is one. I mean, that took a

lot of work. That's a huge book. So you can get that one on Amazon or Lulu if you want.

Right on. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. Aaron, did you have any, not that you're acting,

do you have any thing to say or questions about what you were just saying?

No, man. This is all fascinating. You're a wealth of knowledge and information. So thank you so

much. Coming on. This was, this was amazing. Thank you. Right. Yeah, absolutely.

Your books too. I'm going to get some of your books as well. Likewise. And Tom, did you have

anything else that you wanted to touch on before we wrap this up? Yeah. Well, so the thing is,

these things are not divorced from what's happening nowadays. And just to give you a little

little prelude to that. And Mar-a-Lago, it trumps, you know, Trump's home. He's got a big replica

of the Ark of the Covenant there. Yes. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up, actually. Yeah.

Yeah. And people, people joke, you know, like, what makes you think it's a replica?

And yeah, it's a joke. It's a joke. But the thing is, with all the other weird things about Trump,

you know, it's only half joke because there's some weird things going on there. And, you know,

speaking of timeline wars, we were talking about time wars earlier. So time wars, they don't

necessarily involve like invading UFO fleets, shooting it out, you know, battling over Earth.

It's not like that. It's, it's very tiny little things that have huge effects down the line.

Because if you have the hindsight of time travel or, you know, just precognition,

then you know all the little tiny butterflies to move in order to steer the hurricanes

that happen in the future. So for example, the Butler rally with Trump,

simple head turn, a couple inches. And we would have been on a totally different timeline right now.

We could, we could be in war with Russia, you know, right now, with like nukes going off, you

know, a month ago, that had happened, hadn't happened. Right. So, so it's little things like that where

it's the smallest forms of intervention that have the biggest outcomes. That's how you figure,

that that's how timeline wars would happen. And the thing is, we are all to some degree playing part

in a time war, even if we don't know it. Okay. So let's say you think about maybe putting out a certain

social media post and little do you know it's going to affect someone who affects someone else

and down the line, someone's going to write a book about it, which has bigger effects down the line.

But you decide, you know what? Yeah, screw it. I'm not going to do it. But guess what,

that little screw it? I don't, I'm not going to do it. Maybe that was a telepathic suggestion

from an entity that had the ability to view into the future and trace back exactly where that

the inception point was for that particular future. Yes. You're right. So it's a little,

it's a little things like that. I mean, Christians would call it a spiritual war and that is correct.

It is a spiritual war, but it's also a physical war. It's also a time war. It's also a psychic,

a psychic war that's happening. And a lot of it is playing out sub-rosets. It's playing out beneath

the level of conscious threshold where, and that's why it is so important to build up your discernment

and to distinguish between the kinds of subconscious or irrational impulses that you do have.

Because some of these impulses, they're going to guide you towards the truth and discernment and

good people and good sources. And some of them are going to guide you or steer you towards bad

things, self-destructive things, things that you're going to regret down the line, like losing all

your money on crypto or something, little things like that. And you can tell the difference based

on what it appeals to. So if it's appeals strongly to your shadow wounds, your ego issues,

if it tries to play that up, you know, your greed, all your vices, that's probably going to lead

you in a negative direction. Whereas if it's going to play on your discernment, love of others,

love of truth, curiosity, clarity, that sort of thing, then it's probably going to be positive.

And it's only something that you can build up through experience, through trial and error.

But the more contemplative you are, the more you analyze what's going on within you,

and what the final effects are, the more observant you are, the more you build up that trial by

or error, discernment. And so that's why it's so important for people to do more contemplation

and sort of just browsing social media feeds all day long and, you know, getting the brain

turned to mushed by by the constant dopamine. It's important to kind of take time for yourself,

maybe go for a walk or meditate or do some contemplation in a notebook, which I love to do,

to write down your ideas, work brainstorm through questions, just build up this sort of like,

like chew your food, all the things that you're absorbing and experiencing, process it,

think about it, you know, turn it into turn it into skin, bone, and muscle, meaning the assets

of your soul through the things that you contemplate and integrate into your into your being.

So that's sort of what I recommend to people.

Yeah, that was beautifully said. I always say try to create or live a world that looks

exact the exact opposite of what you see on social media. Like, I mean, like you get on there

and it's so chaotic and it might as well be World War III on the internet, you know,

but if you look out your door, look out the window, that's not the reality that you're looking at,

right? So you just create your own reality with your, you know, like everything you just said

is absolutely beautiful. And I did want to, I thought of something when you were talking about

the timeline wars and, you know, going back and like making a subtle adjustment because these

groups know of an event that's going to happen in the future. So before it even happens,

they make the adjustment like the adjustment bureau. We interview this guy Bradley loves who

he's a targeted individual and his story very much deals with time travel and he brought up

the same point because he never understood why at a specific point in his life, he started to

become targeted until way down the road when the actually the event horizon happened that he

realized that these, these corporations or whoever it was he was involved with, they had the

ability to go back in time and target him to just stop him, try to stop him before he ever

became a threat because they knew the threat he would become in the future to whatever their agenda.

So it's if people are out there who are targeted and they don't understand why, this could be

exactly why. Somebody out there knows what you're capable of and what your potential is and they

will absolutely try to manipulate your reality to steer you away from that trajectory.

It's just a good point to bring up and remember. Yeah, 100%. So people that are just starting their

path of awakening, I noticed a lot of them, they will face trials, they'll face their worst trials

during the beginning of that process because that is when they know the least but that's also when

they're of the greatest potential. So that's when they're targeted the most. And so if you're one of

those people just watch out, just watch out for certain people that come at you in very weird

and probable ways that try to push you under certain belief system that it sort of matches what

you're getting into but there's also something very off about it. And if you really think about it

you can you can kind of delineate what's off about it. So I've had this happen myself. So back in

2000, 2002 when I really started getting into researching fake reality and the matrix and all that,

I had some strange people synchronistically come at me trying to leave me into really paranoid

directions. And good thing I saw through it, but I think some people probably wouldn't have seen

through it. And I think there's a lot of deception that is out there. So there are forces out there

that do try to lead us off the path. And it's when you first start out that you have to be most

careful about that. That resonates so deeply and the people that that's happened to me. I've had

people come into my life three in particular that you know at one point I did take the bait and I

started going down that timeline. And you know you learn the hard way and the lesson is beautiful at

the end once you if you can pull out of it. But that's if you can pull out of it, right? And certain

relationships are people. So if they can't they won't necessarily target you, but they'll work through

people around you. They can send a love interest into your life that they know is going to take you

down the path that's going to be completely different than where you would have that you were going.

Where were you going? You know, where you were going. So another great point. Yeah, I really appreciate

that. So I mean, I appreciate your research because it sounds like you've it's not just like you

haven't just read the books and done the research and you know, wrote books. So you've actually

experienced it and you've lived it. So you you understand it fundamentally because it's happened

to you. And that's what I really appreciate about like the boots on the ground efforts that we

are seeing right now. So thank you for everything that you're doing. And this has been absolutely

incredible today. And you know, I feel like we could talk for hours. But I appreciate you coming

and joining us today. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you, man. So is that the only

place you want people to mind talk that net or people can follow you on X? Are you anywhere else?

Yeah, I'm on X. You know, I'm also on telegram and I'm also on YouTube and Amazon. But yeah,

I mean, you can find all the links at the bottom of my website, montalk.net.

Right, right. Okay, cool. Well, I forgot to put the links in the description. So as soon as

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