EP 350: 5 Mold Sickness Symptoms Most Doctors Miss

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Hello, you're listening to the toxic mold podcast with myself Steve Worsley and we have my

wife, Cassandra.

Today's topics are really interesting, since we have AI and it's become a huge deal, but

it's five mold sickness symptoms and most doctors miss.

When you hear that, what do you think?

Oh, that's a good question.

I think a lot of different symptoms, but I would say headaches, brain fog,

dizziness.

Oh, yeah, I guess my question isn't what are the symptoms, but what do you think about

when that question is asked?

Do you think a lot of doctors miss?

I think most doctors miss most things.

Okay, but you don't might take on doctors.

I don't think I don't think a lot of them are as knowledgeable as they ought to be with

myself back to the Laura Ingalls Wilder days where the doctors visited the home at this rate.

Yeah, I always joke around in Wyoming that you're better off going to a vet than you are a

doctor.

That's true in most places.

I mean, it was in Wyoming, you literally had to walk my GI doc through the hole.

I think it's a gall bladder issue.

Correct.

And this is where AI is going to be so genius for people who have all of these differing

symptoms that seem vague to a doctor who really hasn't read their whole history,

but you could put your whole history into AI and AI could populate some really good responses

for you.

Yep, so it goes back to what you were starting to answer.

So what symptoms do you think they do miss?

I think they miss most of them.

Okay, I mean, when I say they miss most of them and you've said this

on a lot of episodes of the podcast, nobody knows their body more than the person dealing with

the issue.

They know when something's off, they know what's off, they know how long it's been going on.

So when you being the person who has these mold sickness symptoms goes to your doctor and says,

Hey, I have way more a lot of headaches whenever I'm in the house or I feel dizzy or I've brain fog.

The doctor will typically poo poo to weigh as something else without, especially if they're not

mold literate without really investigating the connection with mold.

Well, and I think, you know, and I know medical professionals listen to the podcast.

So if you are, this isn't a shot at you personally, but I do believe a lot of people in the medical

field, they just, I think they look at a lot of people like their hypochondriacs and it's kind of

sad, but I think that they just poo poo lots of things away.

And if they can't do their normal examination, meaning just a simple examination, blood work,

and there's not a red flag, I don't think they even think about mold.

No, and I think sometimes doctors get offended too, though, when you come in with your research,

like I always do, and you dictate to them what needs to happen and they get offended.

But the good doctors don't get offended.

They actually appreciate the information, but most of them get offended.

So you're also dealing with that if you go to them without your research,

they poo poo it away as something not relevant.

You'll get over it.

Well, for our listeners, because onters of the type, like she does tons of research,

especially on medical things.

I mean, when we go into the doctor, she more or less calls them out.

I do. It's like a sport.

A lot of them don't like it.

But, you know, you do it in a very tactful way.

You're highly educated and very smart woman.

So it's not like it's, you're not coming across as a note all, but, you know,

I guess to our listeners, one, I want to say to use a listener is go in there with the facts

and go in there and say, here's my symptoms.

I follow Dr. Josh Axe and this mold expert, Steve Worsley.

And I think it's mold.

What can you do about it?

100% if the doctor gets upset with you, you're with the wrong doctor.

I agree.

And I think the reason why doctors also miss a lot of these mold sickness symptoms is because they

don't have to live the quality of life reduction that you do every single day.

So they don't understand the magnitude of your symptoms or the impact on your life

because they don't have to live that life every day.

But if it's you who's always tired, you who's always has brain fog,

short-term memory elapses, depression, you live with that every day and they don't.

Exactly.

And so speaking of AI, I actually, I asked AI, you know, what are the top five symptoms?

Because I just wanted to see what it pulled up.

And I was actually surprised how accurate in my opinion it is.

So the top five are brain fog, cognitive slowdown,

unrelenting fatigue and non-restortive sleep,

dizziness and pot-like symptoms, chronic sinus irritation and gut issues.

I went more than five.

They're putting brain fog and cognitive slowdown in one category,

unrelenting fatigue and non-restortive sleep in one category,

dizziness and pot symptoms and then chronic sinus irritation and gut issues.

Well, and so for the listeners, they're like, Steve, that was more than five.

But they're in different categories.

But I want to say something about the unrelenting fatigue and the cognitive slowdown.

If you're a listener who's over 40,

do not believe the BS doctors tell you about how you should be tired over 40.

Our ancestors were lifting heavy things and running in jungles at 80.

Yeah.

So this new thing that doctors come up with when they go,

oh, you're older after 40 and you should just be tired and I don't think so.

Yeah. So it kind of brings up a few things.

And so let's just say we have a listener and they're like, wow, I have all five.

What if we have a listener that's like, oh, I only have one of the five.

So it's not mold.

What would you say to that listener?

It might be mold.

Exactly.

Unless and until you have the indoor air quality expertise on your mold support team

and the health medical support on your mold support team work together

to deeply investigate the issue.

You're not going to know what it is.

Yeah.

And that's why we talked about mycotoxins a few episodes back.

But once again, this is why the whole mold journey is very complex.

But a lot of times I'll say to my client, go do medical mycotoxin testing.

If that comes back and everything looks good,

and I trust the test and the physician you're working with,

then we can look at other factors that might not be mold.

But that rarely, I don't think it's ever happened.

What I'm saying to our listeners, maybe just go get medical mycotoxin testing done.

Yeah, and here's the tough pill that a lot of us have to swallow.

Sometimes in order to get really good service medically,

you can't go with your doctor through your health insurance.

You have to actually pay out a pocket to work with somebody like Dr. Fox,

who you interviewed, who is knowledgeable and mold lit.

Sometimes you have to pay the money and spend and pay full price to get the care you need.

But if you're sick, you will pay just about anything to get the care you need.

Yeah, and I mean, so it kind of brings up my next question is,

what do you think the top reasons are these doctors don't understand it?

Is it lack of knowledge?

Is it just they don't want to say it's mold?

Because that's not their expertise.

Like what are your thoughts on that?

I think I'm going to try to be kind to doctors for a moment here.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we have built a medical system

that it is more a business than a medical system.

And doctors are now being stretched in all kinds of ways.

They have to see 50, 100 patients a day.

They barely get time to look at charts.

They barely get time to eat their own lunch.

By the time they get to each and every patient,

they basically skim their record two minutes before they walked into the room.

And that's being generous.

So I think doctors don't have the time to actually care for patients and do their homework

and do their research.

Let alone spend time investigating mold, which may not be their specialty.

So I think it's a lack of knowledge, a lack of time,

feeling stress and pressure because of the HMOs and all the requirements they have to make

to even make money as a doctor.

That's leading doctors to be less than stellar in their work with patients.

Yeah, I mean, I think about it this way,

if I even had to go do two or three mold inspections a day,

it wouldn't work for me.

No, because your mold inspections are all day.

Yeah.

So, you know, if you think I'm not saying a doctor should see you all day,

but my comparison is the fact that like you said,

they're literally, I don't know how they book them.

I don't work in a doctor's office.

They probably book a patient every 15 minutes.

They literally do.

And on top of that, we live in a different world

to go back to the little house on the prairie.

There was a time when everybody stayed in the communities that they were born in.

So your doctor saw your parents.

Yeah.

So they actually took care of your parents and knew their medical history.

Then they saw you.

And they saw you from the time you were born.

Like, there is something about that that makes a doctor care more about the patients

when they've seen the whole family for generations.

Think about a doctor that's, you know, going in, you know,

treating a patient in their home.

And maybe they're having gut issues.

And they see a bunch of rodent feces and, you know,

dog hair everywhere.

And the house is like uncapped.

They get to see that.

The doctor that you go see in their office,

that 30 other people are in the same office that day.

They don't see anything except for you and the closure wearer.

Hundred percent.

It's no different than, you know, you've had certain clients where

you go and do their mold remediation in one house.

And then they want you to look at their safe house.

And when you investigate their safe house, their safe house isn't safe.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, if you hadn't seen the safe house, though,

you would have assumed that the safe house was safe.

Exactly.

But when you get to see all the different facets of what they're living,

you start putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

Yeah, yeah, and I get to see, you know,

one house has, you know, maybe it's an older home.

And I can tell by the furniture and obviously just style the home.

Then I go to a newer home.

I don't ever just assume it's a newer home.

So there's an old mold.

Most of the time, the newer homes is where we find the mold.

But yeah, it's just, you know, I think the biggest problem is,

is these doctors are so rushed.

I don't think they want to be.

And we're not going to get into the politics of regulations and everything else.

But when they have to do all this paperwork and they're so restricted,

their hands are tied.

Correct.

And they're not as invested in your well-being as you are,

which is why you have to take charge.

And you've got to know, what are the five mold symptoms

that most doctors miss?

And it is things like brain fog.

It is things like cognitive slowdown,

which is why we always say document, document, document,

where you're experiencing symptoms when they come on,

when they get worse so that you can go to your doctor,

armed with the information you need.

Yeah, so the last question, you know, I was going to ask,

I think all our listeners know the answer to it.

But like, how do you convince your doctor that it's mold?

You shouldn't have to.

You shouldn't have to.

You don't.

You just, you need to find a new doctor.

If you have to convince your doctor to believe what you're saying,

that is the only sign you need to know

that they are not the doctor for you.

Yeah, it's not a, it's not a game of who's right,

who's wrong, or you're going to prove your doctor wrong.

Just go, you know, like you said, do your own homework.

You can do through real-time labs.

They do medical micotoxin testing.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure once they got

bought out by US biotech, you can anywhere in the United States.

No matter where you live, you can order the urine test.

So, you know, I, I don't know that for sure.

So if one of your listeners tries it and I'm wrong,

feel free to let me know.

But, you know, my point is, is just go do those things on your own.

Dr. Fox, Dr. Diane, Heather the health coach,

you know, there are professionals that I have personally

interviewed and worked with, hire those people.

Hunter, present and start investing in AI-driven medical testing

that you can do on your own.

Dr. Mark Hyman started a company called Function,

and you can use your flex spending account to pay for this.

Use pay 500 or so for the year, and you take a bunch of tests.

I'm not sure if mold is one of them, it might be,

but you need to start keeping your own medical records for yourself

and AI is getting so good at testing

that you need to find ways to do your own testing.

Yep. So for our listeners, we talk about it all the time.

Obviously, I do consultations.

We have lots of different consultation packages.

We have a 90-minute package.

We have a package if you're buying a new home.

We have a package if you're building a home.

We have a package with Emma testing.

Reach out, if you're not sure, reach out to info

at CNCcontractorservices.com.

Someone will get back to you and say,

hey, this is what I'd recommend, or they'll get you to me.

And you'll hear from me, and I'll give you my recommendations.

But we offer tons of different services.

And I do my best, I try not to,

but as you very well know, I've done consultations

of 11 o'clock at night.

So I do my best to try to squeeze people in.

So for our listeners, go to CNCcontractorservices.com.

There's a bunch of services.

You don't see what you want.

Feel free to reach out.

Yes, and listen to the other podcast episodes

that feature Dr. Diane.

There's a couple of those.

Just a team.

Oh, it's her.

The reason I know that, that was the first interview with her.

Okay.

And because that's the most listened to podcast episode.

Okay.

I think Dr. Diane is 258.

I think, but I can't remember for sure.

And there were two Dr. Diane interviews, right?

Two Dr. Diane and two Dr. Foss.

So go back and listen to those episodes

with physicians and health practitioners.

Heather, the health coach is another interview you did.

She would be like 257, I believe.

Yeah, because you need to have that run away by now.

You need to put together your remote support team.

And it includes experts like Steve,

but it also includes health coaches and doctors

and naturopathic physicians build your team.

Yep, exactly.

All right, we appreciate all your listeners.

Have a great week.

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