Ep 73. Fred Roehl - Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch Part 2

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There are first obstacles to jump onto the radio and bring fully to the goat man.

And I mean, it's just like, everything went fine.

I can hear the ringing in my ears, and I can feel my heart race.

So I hit my life, and I was lying up there.

I've been told that all the people out there

to grab on me, behold them and use them.

If you don't know them, but if you hold them there until daylight,

if you can hold them or pull them in, pull them into the light,

if you throw it at anything they have, any kind of power or anything that,

or anything they were trying to do, it was a destroyer.

That was like bouncing.

You know, like, if people are trying to get ready to get,

you know how they're kind of bouncing.

Yeah, he was like that way.

He was just kind of bouncing, and he was just kind of going back and forth,

and one foot through the other, and he just turns sideways,

and he turns back over to the other way, and he took off always to be jumped in wonder.

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This is the second part with Fred.

And this episode can actually probably just stand on its own,

because you know, it was kind of crazy, because when Fred and I

first start talking, Jesus, it's like we're old friends.

And that's kind of what this second episode is.

We're just kind of, you know, talking, unscripted,

just whatever comes to our minds, and we're kind of bouncing off each other, you know.

But it's an interesting conversation, because there's a lot of things covered in there that I've

never heard of before either.

And so one of the things that really struck me when I was going back through this audit,

again, and kind of refreshing what we talked about, was he describes those big foot he's seen

when they were gold panning his uncle and his cousin, you know, the ones that chased him out of

there. He described those as being cartoonishly big, like they were all like 10, 11 feet tall

at the shortest, biggest ones like 15 feet tall. Man, that's crazy. That is crazy to think about

something that big. Anyways, he goes on to talk about mountain giants too.

And that's something I've never heard of. He describes them as having a greenish grace in

and they can land it, you know, drop down to the ground and totally blend in.

He talks about that. He talks about there being tracks, six code tracks, giant tracks.

And the 30 foot tall mountain giant, it's been described to him through somebody he knows

that scene when they're out hunting right now. I don't typically talk to folks that,

you know, I guess St. Barry credible. So that he mentioned this kind of made me really less

enough and kind of opened my eyes. I'm like, wow. So he says that with 30 feet tall, they had

tusks. Human like ogre is the way they looked. Greenish grace skin, hairy forearms from the

elbows down, you know, just hairy there. And on the movie Star Wars, you have these, I don't know,

these grunt looking things like these green, you know, with the tusks on the bottom.

He said that's kind of what they resembled, but they were huge. That one he's seen was 30

feet tall. This guy he was talking to, I guess a plane kind of blew over as he staring at it.

And it's just kind of doing this thing going about his business. I don't even know if it's seen

the guy. I didn't ask. But as that plane start making its way toward them, that thing drops on

the ground and hides and the guy can't see it. Well, anyways, he tells that story. And it's the

first time I've ever heard of anything like that. It's really interesting and it's scary at the same

time. You know, then we get into, we actually get into talking about little people too. So there's

some of that in here as well. They asked him to at one point the sounds that they make. You know,

so he kind of describes what sounds that are common in his area of what they make. And also the

other thing that he mentions toward the end, you know, he brings out more details about that encounter

at the gold panning incident. And he says, when that thing was looking through that eight by eight

shotgun at window there, he says, I, when I seen it's eye, the eyelashes. He says, man,

they were beautiful. So yeah, he, he, he describes it a lot of stuff. I don't know. This is a really

good episode too. And like I said, it could probably stand on its own. And so, um, you know, all

of these people here that have been listening since I released this previous episode, everybody's

reached out. And you're all thankful that I'm back in. You know, that really means a lot. It helps

motivate me. It helps keep me going. It just, it just reinforces everything that I'm trying to do

here. And I really appreciate you guys doing that. A guy named Ed, he writes in and he says, I'm just

an old Polish guy. It doesn't matter where you're from or who you are, right? Just an old Polish guy.

I think about those words and what he said. And uh, like man, you're, you're a human being. You're

a person. And that you're trying to better yourself and that this podcast is in some small way

helping you achieve your spiritual goals. You can't put a price tag on something like that.

And for all the people out there that are searching, um, you know, there's,

there's a lot of stuff in our spirituality that people can relate to, right? There, there really

is a lot. But at the end of the day, your spirituality is between you and the creator. You don't have

to be in a church. You don't, you know, you don't take any time you want throughout the day.

And, and you can handle your spirituality work on it, you know, don't, it's really an individual thing

that we even have, um, you know, big churches, things like that is, it's good, you know, people can

gather there, but really when you think about it, none of it's needed. You know, even like, uh,

I mean, I'm not going to say I don't need a sex. I need sweat. You know, I need to go into the

sweat lodge, but, but even at that, you don't need to go into a sweat lodge to, to have that

relationship with, uh, a higher power of whatever you believe. It could just be the, the universe.

You know what I mean? Because, you know, we call it, you know, the source of life is the universe.

There's something really special there as well. And I mean, it's, it's all part of the balance.

It's all part of this existence. So Ed, I really appreciate you writing in. I, I read your message

when I first woke up and that you're getting something out of this podcast really, really made my day

this morning. I prayed, I let my smudge, uh, I fed my niscums and I just had a moment to myself

when I was really thankful for all the folks in my life that have come just because of this podcast,

too, and let alone my family and my friends, you know, off the air. But all the fans that have

rode in and, you know, the listeners and everybody, I still struggle with that word fans. I don't

know if I should be. But, you know, anyways, it's all really heartfelt and I really appreciate it,

y'all, and Ed, hey, care, my friend, and just keep going wherever your heart and your mind

lead you with this, just listen to it and go, you know, yeah, and going peace, my friend,

and going peace, always be humble, always try hard. All right, let's get into the show with,

with Fred, part two, Fred Role, subarticle ask it, Sasquatch.

You know, in another, uh, reason I kind of get pushed toward thinking like that is back in the old days,

when, uh, we all had these different tribes in the northern plains, there was Black Creek,

there was Cree, Northern Cheyenne, you know, there was, there was a lot of different tribes here,

and even up into Canada, like I want to say, the, the SARC, there was, there's different

other tribes that were SARC are close to the Black Creek and everything, and,

anyways, um, I remember hearing a guy speak about it from Canada, and he, he was saying

that in the old days, like, if we ran into like a group of say, and imagine, it's like survivors,

right, at this point, like, yeah, you run into a group, they're just like surviving.

Well, if they weren't an organized society, like we had, you know, our tribe had societies,

we still have them today, but these make up the tribe, the organization of the tribe,

and it's all centered around our spirituality, it's all centered around the, you know,

the Sundance and everything that goes into it. So that made our, our people, and so we would

call ourselves, and everybody has us, we would call ourselves Nisitipiks or, or the, the real people,

you know, that's kind of like, basically what all tribes have in general, I can't say for all,

but they call themselves something along those lines, well, yeah, this people, or something

along those lines, yeah, exactly, I know what you're saying. And so what he was saying is,

if they recognized a different group, well, they would have to have these types of societies,

they would have to have these, you know, this organization about it, or they didn't consider

them real people, like they wouldn't say, oh, okay, well, we're going to have an alliance, or,

or we're not, you know, they didn't have, they didn't respect them like that, so,

it makes me wonder too, you know, like, is that what it comes to, and they're really being

aggressive, is they don't think, well, where were they of them, or something, I don't know,

you know, it makes me wonder. Yeah, House divided cannot stand kind of thing, and, you know,

if there's a, yeah, if it's, if it's chaotic, and there's no, like,

structure or anything like that, societally speaking, then, yeah, I'm sure it's a whole different

vibe that's getting put off, you know, and I, you know, you go and visit someone that's a dysfunctional

family, it's not that you don't care, it's just there's a loss of respect, like, how could you let

that be? Yeah, and also, I mean, that, that again, is another confilling theory.

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the infantry for eight years, and the things you were saying in there, it makes me think they were

trying to keep you guys there, you know, they were cutting off all your, your, they were like,

they were tactically proficient at whatever they were trying to do with, you know, I think it was

to keep you guys there and ultimately, you know, take your life. What? Yeah, because when it looked

at me, there was no mind speak, I just instinctually in my spirit, I knew what food felt like. Yeah,

I didn't have it just the energy, everything that was happening, it was in the air, it was tangible.

I was, I knew what food felt like. It wasn't, I mean, it was basic and simple, you know, and the

primal fear that kicked in, it was like, I never felt it like that before, but I recognized it

almost, you know, it's kind of like ingrained in our DNA, but over the years of not having a

count on that, that extra century, that intuition in the woods kind of thing, you know, I think for

a lot of people, it's on dormant. And I think we also have it. It's just all the years of

relative safety and living in cities and all that kind of, you know, modernization is kind of,

kind of put it to sleep kind of thing, but once that happened in 2006, I was already had a great

intuition, you know, hunting, you know, acumen and that kind of stuff, but like since then, since that

instances that, that awakened that unlocking of that primal fear is like, I sense energy differently

from a greater distance from a difference. It's, it's kind of hard to put into words, it's more of,

it happens in a moment, but it is basically sensing of the energy, so if I see a area of woods over

across the, you know, the thunder of the muskage or whatever, and it just has a different broad day

light sun out, but something's dark over there. I just, I go with that. I don't, I don't go against

that intuition like, it wasn't as strong before, but nowadays ever since then is like, I mean,

my level of amplification is, the vigilance is on a much different level, you know, being aware

on the woods is totally changed. And, you know, when I, when I was talking about, uh,

resounding myself to death, it took a long time and it's still not fully back to what it was

prior, but I have adventure in my blood. I, I'm that guy. I want to go see what's over there,

but for a good while after that happened, uh, I've had no meaning. I was already dead. Like,

there was no joy. Behead, you know, um, it's, and man, I have a bunch of people that share with me

because I put it out there that even if you don't want to public names changed, whatever, just

get it off your chest, give me a call because I know what it felt like not being a bird, not being

believed that like, I fell into a bottle for a good four years. I had a weird kind of death wish,

you know, um, and knowing what I know and how that felt, that's why I put myself out there like

that to get off your chest, don't self isolate and self-medicate, you know, at least get it off your

chest and, you know, in a safe place where you won't be ridiculed about it, you know, and that's

that's important too. And a lot of people want to hear it from the story, but they don't realize

just the realization of the humanity behind it. There's, there's people involved. These, these

aren't just people's names written down or made up, you know, I mean, Granchoy Chainson names for,

you know, anonymity, but the fact is, this person had this happen and they're still around. It's

not just a brief 20 minute video. They're still living with that, you know, and that gets overlooked

a lot of times because they want to hear a good story, but I get that. Some people don't understand

the point of it, but again, I don't, I don't get upset with them. There's some people don't have

the same outlook on it, you know, but the people behind it are that trauma like my, my check guy

gets mad at me at times and goes, you got a web store once you ever told me, I was like, no, no,

there's good money and bad money. I can't promote a coffee mug. After telling someone,

Miss Carol can't be at her house anymore. She's 80 and her husband's very dear, but she's

harassed so much. She's scared. What, what, I can't like ride so much trauma to sell a coffee mug at,

you know, so I mean, if someone asks, I'll put them in the direction, but I'm not out to promote

bread. It's, it's about, hey, look, here's what happened. I'm like the newscaster, hey, here's

what happened over there and I leave it in the oral tradition of it happened with so and so,

here's what happened and I leave it in their words. Even if I'm the one sharing it,

and I give everyone the opportunity to say it for themselves and many have tried and they get

caught up and tongue twisted and, you know, in the same way, I'll let you do it, you do it better.

So by default, and coming from an oral history and oral tradition, I'm in my blood and having

experiences I have, I can kind of put myself in their shoes so it helps when I share their encounter

and I get, you know, I talked to them several times and get the details, but I'm able to bring the

listener right there. You know what I mean? Like I bring them right to where it's going, you know,

in their minds, I so to speak. Yeah, hanging it. It's such, you know, because my wife had an

experience down here that it was just harassing her. She was chased by a small one, I would

assume like a juvenile or something, but even these small ones, it was standing on a tree limb

about 30 feet up and it was reaching above it to another limb and it would rock and it was causing

that whole tree to rock. And when it jumped down, it jumped right from that limb and nothing even

happened to it and she started running when it jumped because she was all by herself at the

slew and she was picking sweet grass and peppermint and she just started running and this thing

it chased her, it paced her though. It would, it would stay in the brush because there was a dirt

road cutting through all this brush and that's what she was running back to the house on and

you know, I grew up in this area and I never noticed anything until those of around 2002, 2003

and anyways as she's running, it's pacing her and those dogs. For some reason our dogs,

I don't know what's up with them, but you know, red dogs are different breed but still

they're like village dogs, I get, I got you, yeah. Yeah, they go when they go and they don't stop till

they get whatever they're after and so they're, she's running and she gets through one clearing and

there's another dirt road, I mean that same dirt road leads through another little thicket and then

it gets clear again up to the house and you have to run up to his hill. Well, as she's running,

it's constant to her left in the tree line and even when she gets into those clearings and

that tree line recedes back toward those hills, it still stays in the tree line but at the same

pace as her and as she's getting through the second clearing and there's still brush line to her

left and the dirt road goes right through that last little thicket, that's where the dogs met her

and they were already like, hey, I don't know, they smelt it or something but they ran, they ran

right past her and she ran up to that house and they chased something to that other clearing and came

back and that day came back after only that second clearing, I mean, they don't do that. So that was

weird to me, that stood out to me when she said that happened to her, just one of the little details

that stood out, I'm like, you know, because these dogs don't stop and yeah, they're like domesticated

feral. When they both sides equally. Yeah, yeah, they just, you know, they don't know quit but

anyways, that happened near our house and my dad, you know, he's seen a great big one,

he had black hair and everything and we were, I was actually fishing on the cliffs by our

bridge, there's a bridge on highway 89 through our reds, leads over to medicine river and there's

a little bit of cliffs there to the south and some fishing off those cliffs because you could see

right down in their glass clear waters, really nice fishing. Well, to your left, there's a trail

that goes down and that's what my dad took and he had his girlfriend with him and they they were

crossing that creek up above where I was fishing and there was a log jam, just a single log, it was

this kind of jam there and they sat on that and he was taking off his boots, soaking his feet and

you know, just minding his own him and his girlfriend and he looks up and against the cliff wall

standing back against it with the tans out wide like it was holding the cliff up, was this huge

big foot just standing there all black hair and it was staring at him and he said, when I seen it

looking at me, I got up, he says, I start putting my boots on and I just, you know, and I was telling my

my girlfriend like, oh, look at that, come on, let's go, let's go and you know, she's starting

getting everything ready too. She's seen it and they start going back to where they came.

I said, did it move or anything? He said, no, when he said, oh, wait, yeah, it did.

I said, well, what did it do? He said, it just had its eyes on me, that's all it moved, it was its

eyes. It was just staring at us and we didn't end up getting back out of there, but when he come

up to me, I was catching grasshop, I didn't need to catch like a few more because I used those

ones up and so I was catching more grasshopper and he come up and he said, hey, Rod, could we go to

town? Can you bring us in? I said, yeah, I'll bring you guys in. So, you know, I just dumped those

grasshoppers I caught and just put my stuff in and we headed out and on the way to town, he started

telling me that and I looked at his, you know, his girlfriend and I said, that's true, did you guys see that?

And she just like put her head down and ignored me and my hand and my dad said, oh, I think she's

in denial. He says, but, you know, and I could tell it bothered her that's why she didn't want to talk

about it so I didn't even push it. Yeah, and that's another thing I know the two, there's

there's a lot of people that they'll have an encounter that they didn't ask for. You know,

one asked for this kind of thing, like any aggressive encounter and craziness to scare the crap out

of them, but like there's a word sense of shame, like they feel ashamed about it. I think it's

because of the ridicule that they know they'll get and no one wants to be that outsider, that weirdo,

you know what I mean? So it's like, it's just such a conundrum for a lot of people and

you know, people talking about it more and everything will normalize it in my opinion and kind of,

you know, nope, it not be such a, like a weird thing to where people just know they'll be ridiculed

off of that, you know, and it really messes with people, it ruins relationships because of that,

you know, and people being told by their loved ones that they trust that, what were you drinking,

what were you smoking? You know, that kind of thing is so dismissive, you know, especially when

they've known the person the whole life and know they're not ones to make up some fanciful

story like that, you know, and just to be dismissed in that way is just so disrespectful, you know,

it just, it's really weird that sense of shame that, you know, I've seen it, it's almost universal,

you know, with people who experience it outside of a handful or two, but in general it's usually,

you know, you're going to think I'm crazy, but I'm like, wait a minute, you're,

look who you're telling this to, you're preaching to the choir, you know, I know what's crazy,

you know, but it's just strange how that that happens in that way that we're such a shame or

denial, you know, and I know people who would deny its existence when they were next to me,

seeing the same thing I was, like they know better than what they're saying, but it's like a weird

I don't know what possessives them to do such things, you know, just that willful, like denial and

ignorance to it, and it just, it confuses me, you know, because to me that makes me think less

of them, not less than myself, you know, I'm not embarrassed, like my give a shit button splustered,

I don't care what people think, and I don't ask anyone to believe it's irrelevant, they weren't

there, it changes nothing, you know, and for people that want to look down on people for being

brave enough to actually speak about it, and be sincere and honest, and like not trying to,

you know, traumatize it and make a spectacle and self-promote off of it that kind of thing,

because there's people like that out there, so they're easily dismissed, but just

if anyone people saying, hey, this happened and to be dismissed is so disrespectful, it's like

it's unreal, you know, but again, you know, everyone wants to be part of the group and not

the odd man out and be able to weirdo or go get your pimple hat or, oh, what do you smoke,

and you know, it must be good, and that kind of stuff is just so disrespectful, man.

Yeah, it is, I mean, I think some of it too, with some of these people, I think it's just a coping

mechanism, they don't want to, you know, go down that road, so they'll instead make fun of it,

you know, kind of one of those things too, but with all of these encounters that you've had,

what are some of the ones that you've been told about that kind of are on that same level of

just terror that you've heard about? Is there any like that?

Well, yeah, there's actually, there's a bunch, but, you know, how I was telling you that I put myself

out there to hear it even privately and never, you know, share publicly, the majority of those types

are along those lines, but I will say that my experience is not unique. Yeah, you're not at all.

I can say in general terms, there's people who have witnessed, you know, a couple of their friends

be basically one of part by these things, and they haven't been right since, and because they're in

Bush, Alaska, it takes a, sometimes it takes a couple days for troopers to get there, you know,

having on-site law enforcement, maybe a village public safety officer, but they're not even armed,

you know, and so the time distance between when it happened, and he came back and was, you know,

getting help, they went looking, you know, there was sign of blood and everything initially,

and they all left like holy crap, because they didn't, you know, the people that were going to help,

they didn't see what he saw, and that time difference between them, clawing for help,

and help arriving, this poor guy, he's self-medicated with a bottle, and so when the law showed up,

to start a formal search and rescue, they found nothing, and this guy's drunk, and they think,

oh, he's delusional from alcohol, so they dismissed everything he said, and then you got a missing

person bulletin, right? Once they claw up the search, well, it gives no context, and they have a,

they have a cop out, it's an open case, so you can't even get information about it.

You know what I mean? So it's like a, yeah, it's fucked up, man, like, what can you do?

You know, when someone's obviously traumatized, this poor guy says, right, I constantly

ticks back and forth, like Magwriter, you know, and his other, his left eye is just straightforward,

but his right eye is just back and forth constantly, and it was never like that.

So, you know, he went through some shit, and then he's told he's just a delusional drunk,

you know, it ruined his life. I don't even know if he's still with us. I mean, he was, you know,

last I seen him, it's been four years, but he hasn't been right since that happened, you know,

and again, he shamed out of his own village, you know, and they just talk it up to, he's just

to drunk here. I can't believe that guy, you know, at the point of where, you know, they basically

like looking at him suspect, it's horrible. You know, this is one of the nice, I know, you know,

social-pathic people can be mass murderers and all that, but that's not this guy. You know,

he's honest to a fault. You know what I mean? Like, anyway, but yes, it's not unique to me.

You know, I can say that, and like I was telling you, many people have had experiences,

I found out later on that same river, they had a fire shots in the same manner.

In general terms, there was a woman that said a white fish net for catching white fish

taking, you know, maybe barbed up if there's any around, but as she was setting the net,

she anchored the line on bank and she was backing out on the, in the skiff and letting the net go

out the bell. And as she was going out all of a sudden, she realized she was going back in.

Well, a hairy man was on the river bank pulling the net because of the attached to the boat still,

pulling her back towards it. He had to shoot shots at it to get it to let go of the net.

He had to shoot it like three times with the 44 Magnum before it finally let go and ran off.

And then she just threw the rest of the net out and got out of there.

You know, there's multiple instances of that, you know, from a poor guy.

He was almost snatched out of one of the cabins further down the river,

or half his coat trying to go out the door, you know.

Yeah, it's just high-strangeness, man. It's just like,

man, it's just, it's crazy. You know, it's just your craziness and

getting outside the world, like a lot of my elders and people I've talked to since I started

the channel, like, you know, why you waste your breath on the gussets? They don't believe.

And gussets just a word for outsider, you know, a bigot different words for like dumb like that,

stuff like that. But anyway, you know, gussets is just a general term for outsider, you know,

why you waste your breath on the outside, or they don't believe and they don't even make fun.

You know, and they got a point to a certain extent. But to me, it's not about the outsiders,

it's about us who live here, and it's like being bareware. Hey, if you be aware, you're going

out, you're not every out who is natural, you know, not in, not every whistle is a bird,

you know, just being aware of being aware of what, you know, the potential behaviors and stuff

are. It goes a long way versus not knowing shit, you know.

Hey, yeah, I mean, just here, and you say that, uh, out who's one of my, one of my friends was

telling me a story's my wife's cousin, but at one point when they were out hunting, this thing was

it was, he was watching his brother do an out call, and he was going to, you know, flank that,

that outlook. And his brother would make the out call something would answer, and his brother

thought it was an outlook. No, it was one of those big foot. It would make it perfect. Yeah,

they can mimic it perfectly. Like one of my elder cousins down, Dutch Harbor, there's no trees

there. It's just a windswept island and, you know, elution chain, but back in the 60s, uh, there

was a local woman, a girl who ended up having a baby, a single mom, you know, back in his real taboo,

but her, uh, baby's father was a fisherman that just absconded, was gone. And uh, this baby had

colic and would cry. It had a very distinctive cry. And it was after just after dark one of these

nights, and they heard that baby crying, this thing mimicked a known baby to lure them out of their

place. Like the level of cunning involved it, to use the woman's natural instincts against them,

what they known mimic of a baby, they know, they know the sound of that's high level predator stuff,

man. Yeah, that reminds me of what they were doing to you at that, that gold burning little

shot. I mean, I see tactics and all that just like here, you're saying, looking back, looking

back, we were lured out initially, the whole place shipping like that, we were lured out. Yeah,

looking back and if we had continued, we were just a step or two from walk around that same corner

where that one was standing. We would have walked right into an ambush, you know, that we

not seen all three sets of ice shine. The next place to go is around the corner.

Yeah, the other thing is that if you're seeing just those three, it makes me wonder how many more

are around these ones there's like that count. Yeah, I count the three we saw and then the one in the

window and then the big black one. So in my minds, I know a five. You know what I mean, I could

honestly say, I know there was at least five and that in and of itself, because not a single one

was under 11, 12 foot tall, they were, they were big. They were just talking cartoon big now.

Like you said, five feet wide. Yeah, five and a half but wide.

And like, like, like, cartoon size, like, it's, it looked absurd, you know, just the massiveness of

them. Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's, that's another thing that we hear about is mountain giants,

but they have six toes and they're like real large ogres, you know, 25, 30 footer.

You know, we came across a track back in 95. It was about two foot long, about a foot wide

and had six toes and it was fresh. It had stepped out of one creek and then stepped in on a little

sandy gravel bar. That's where the one track was left and then we saw the splattering of the water

that hadn't even dried up, going off into the distance and to the brush. My cousin was like,

oh, man, let's follow it. No, it works on the other way. I ain't going to, no, no, I want no parts of that,

you know, and I also had a, a month or he was up on this look out with the, he was glancing and

he was looking for, for moose and what have you, you know, me, I, I just bought and stock. I don't

glass. I might carry binoculars, but I'm not in the sit and somewhere and put it in my thumbs.

That's just not me, but anyway, he was looking around and he noticed movement and he said it was

about a mile away, you know, from where he was at and he had a really good spotting scope. So he

started looking and he said he saw this thing. Had it been 30-foot tall. It looked like a greenish

gray screen. It had tusks, but the tusks were from the bottom jaw going up next to the cheek bones.

He said it looked like a human ogre-like face and it resembled like what those pig-looking

things on Star Wars were, you know, as far as like the tusks and everything. And he said the hair

running down his back looked like like a razor back, but it was greenish gray skin, but the hair

kind of ran down to a point down his back and the hair looked really weird and it had hair from

the elbow down to the wrapped around the wrist kind of like a lion's mane, but it only was on the

back side of the elbow down and then it wrapped around the wrist. And, you know, he got a pretty

dang good look at it, but he said this thing, they heard of, he heard a plane coming from the

distance a bus plane, you know, flying into the area and he said when that thing heard it,

it flopped down to the ground and blended in seamlessly with the background.

Like it just, he knew where it was, but he still could not make it out because it blended in so

seamlessly, you know. And so after the plane was out of the out of, you know, a distance aware,

whatever it got back up and continued his thing. He said he didn't stick around there long after

that. He, you know, started doing what he had to do to try to, you know, get the hell out of

the dots because he was flown in by a hypercub and dropped off, you know.

Is that the only person you heard of? I mean, the only story you heard of was that person talk

about these mountains and be the only credible person, you know. I've heard other people talk,

but, you know, when you know your home and you know the area they're talking about,

they can't tell me, you know, they were on a logging road. You know, they don't exist out there.

Anyway, you know what I mean? So some are easy to just dismiss, but the credible one I've only heard

of that. And it kind of makes you wonder who's not talking about what they've seen.

Thanks for giants. How about the, so in our tribe, we call them,

Boxitope, sort of little people. And uh, oh yeah. Where we come from, how they look,

because I understand they look different depending on who you talk to and what region you live in.

But with us, they look different up here too. They got ones that look like little

inuits, you know, like you'd imagine a little Eskimoana,

still suit, you know, seal skin suit, you know, in winter, like a parka and whatnot.

And that looked like that all the way through to three and a half foot tall, looking like basically

little ugly elves, you know, with the hook nose and like strange leather clothing and,

you know, they all have hours that are just east, you know.

But yeah, there's multiple just, you know, spoken of around here. And a lot of them,

little people stories come from like, if you're to go straight north and south and divide the

last getting half, you know, about halfway through and then from halfway point west,

it seems like the majority of the little people stories come from that way. You hear a few

down southeast and whatnot. So, you know, they, it is everywhere, but it seems like the majority come

from that that imaginary boundary west.

Yeah, because I've heard a few stories about the ones up there they like to mess with time,

like they could really raise hell with the time. And, you know, like in time and space and like

slow things down and like just all sorts of mental gymnastics, you know.

Yeah, that's strange because like, I remember he's like, I wish I knew the whole story,

but the parts I do remember are just, just crazy. Like this guy was around one one time and

and it wasn't even long. He was only there for like 10 minutes or something and

seen one going to a hole or something like that. And he goes back to his house and

Jesus like years have passed like his wife aged already. And they all thought he wasn't missing

and gone, you know, and he wasn't. He was just barely there. And I remember another really

weird story about they turned one of these guys, one of this again, another man, they turned

them into a dog. Yeah, yeah, it's just stuff like that I've heard from up that way. But, you know,

down here we have them too, but they're more like the ones here, you hear stories of

they used to grow tobacco for us. You know, we kind of had a relationship with them. They're the best

tobacco growers. And so in the old days, they, I mean, they still have tobacco societies today or

or groups that, you know, are centered around tobacco. But, you know, those were the ones,

because in our tribe, we were wanderers, you know, we'd follow the buffalo. So we wouldn't

stay put and farm. That was the only thing we farm and was tobacco, but they just planted the

seeds and they would leave and come back, you know, the next year when they're passing back through

and they would harvest. But, you know, they would have those little people kind of cultivate the

plant for them. So when they get back, it's, it's nice and, you know, ready to harvest. But things

like that would take place all the time with these, these little people. And, you know, up to,

till this day, people still, you know, give them offerings, you know, feed them, make them

little clothes, make them little pipes, things like that, you know, to this day, it's still,

still like that. It's really unique how every tribe's kind of different. Some are similar,

but it varies, but then also it could be night and day difference, you know, as far as

how people see things and the perception and just overall view, you know, we're like you're

seeing their protectors of, you know, your guys is, you know, rituals and, you know, your

question were not to wear us. It's like, they're going to get us literally. So it's just kind of

amazing how that works. And it kind of reminds me of like the, the philosophy of our tribe in general,

like I can't speak for all of them and all of them can't speak for me. You know what I mean?

In our oral history is universal with the aspects of where we live and hunting fishing camps,

but it's also unique to each family. Some families that you have no experience with the

Harry man, but they do little people. So it's like, it's all under that same umbrella,

but their oral history pretends to their family line. You see, it's, it's will. It's like

compartmentalized, but at the same hand, not

outside the perimeter of that umbrella of, you know, certain things. It's kind of, it's really cool.

But again, it's also a little frustrating at times trying to explain to somebody that, you know,

maybe the superstitious police need to be like, oh, for public safety, but again, they started

for some reason, right? So the whole bad almond thing, you know, I could see

comparisons of, you know, coincidence or almond, you know, like, you know, how do you view it?

You know, it's just kind of, each is on kind of thing, you know.

You know, along the lines, there's something I've noticed happen too, is we all kind of have

these same types of warnings, you know, taboos and, you know, whistling at night, you know,

things like that. If something calls your name and you know you're alone, there's nobody around,

you know, you never answer them. There's things like that that you hear about with a lot of these

tribes are kind of common, but where that commonality kind of strikes me in the faces

in the Appalachian area in those mountains, there's, there's no native presence in there that,

you know, in a significant way, where, you know, like a tribe living up there or anything like that

that I know of. And those people have the, and they're non-natives, they have the same

warnings that were passed down from their grandparents too, and you know, they might only have been

in there for four, five, six, seven generations, you know, and just to make that very much,

you know, yeah, not very much in the big scheme of things, and, you know, but yet it, you know,

it cracks me up, is like I was saying earlier with like academics in the wider world, it's dismissed,

it's dismissed as ignorant people who probably saw bear or probably saw it look, man, I had

well burst on bears, I know a bear every way come and go on standing and running, I know what I saw

when I was in a bear, you know what I mean, and people like to dismiss it so easily, but yet

it's universal, every indigenous tribe around the world has names for these things,

that just doesn't happen, it's not like we have meetings every year, especially going back,

you know, generation millennia, hundreds of years, like it's, but it's still dismissed,

it's still hopeful, you know, that just is insane to me,

wait, it only takes three credible witnesses to put someone to death, like really, you know what I mean,

let's look at it for what it is.

You mean there ain't a universal council where we all get together and get on the same page and

tell the states, but well, if there is, I wasn't invited, I'm the black sheep yet again, dang it,

I gotta work on that, might get invited next time.

Well, thinking back, I have a question about that Harry man, so in your experience or even in

the stories you've heard, what are some of the sounds that they mimic? Well, I'll vote for one,

people's voices. I mean, just about anything, you know, to like the noises that are kind of universal

are the short, stark whistle, very intense, very high pitch, very piercing, and very powerful.

And then, you know, the alhoots are like a perfect natural mimic, and after a couple of the natural

mimics, it's obviously being mimicked. It's almost like they're like, ha ha, fooled you,

because again, they don't have 800,000 pounds, you know, so it's like a, it's almost like a,

you fell for it kind of, kind of transition, right? And then, I mean, everything wolf hals,

especially the like mimicking baby trying, but it's always, when they do it, it's perfect mimic,

if they choose. You know, and it makes you wonder, well, how come a lot of people say they hear

a woman sound like there's, she was being murdered? You know, I mean, kind of makes you wonder,

how does they know that sound, you know, because in our milk culture, you know, they still

women and children, and you know, it's, it's not for, but purposes, you know.

You know, I've heard a story one time, and she said, I don't know where it's at, where I,

at YouTube video, something somewhere, but I always remember it, the guy said he was,

if I remember right, he was in a boat, and he heard this thing, you know, like how we make that

clock sound, and he said he did that click pop, that click pop sound. Yeah, he said he did that,

but it sounded like, like a wood knock when he did it. I've seen one at a distance, there was about,

we had about seven four-wheelers, and there was about 11 people, but this was in 95,

this thing was about a hundred yards out in the muskig, like way in the white open,

hands to its side, this thing, tongue popped at us twice, and it sounded like it was challenging us

basically, because we're all just standing there, the lead four-wheeler went off trail going across

the muskig, which is like a marshy swampy stuff, it was like a water bed kind of, you've been up

here, do you know what I'm talking about? So the lead four-wheeler kind of went off track and kind

of started sinking, so we're all stuck, you know, in line there, and this thing, after about half

hour being there, was all of a sudden just there, out in the open, and it tongue popped at us twice,

and it sounded like two Louisville sluggers hit each other, you filled in your chest, and it was

obviously a challenge, and then one of the little kids was like, there's a hey man, we should shoot

it, and the other kid was like, don't be dumb, you don't shoot it, you know, there, just young kids

just talking about, shooting the thing, and then all of a sudden this thing takes off to going

from right in front of us to our left, I mean running fast, so fast across that marshy tundra,

that was so soaking wet, that almost looked like a rooster tell behind it, but yeah, never understood

the wood not thing, I know the tongue popped thing, and like, you know, that African language

where there's picks and pops and all that, well, I've heard imitation alhoots, but simultaneously

with the alhoots that were exaggerated long, that click popping happened at the same time,

and it was so like, it was awesome from the standpoint of, audibly, it was like two distinct

separate sounds, but it was happening simultaneously at one time, it was like, creepy as fuck, but like,

in context of that sound itself and how it was being projected so clearly, the two distinctive

noises at the same time was just like, wow, you know, yeah, just kind of makes you wonder what the

click popping was, was it like a dual set of vocals going off in the same thing, in the same creature?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like simultaneously, it was the damnedest thing, it was like, whoa,

that's good, I mean, in the context of how it's done is like awesome, but in like, working through

it and in reality, when it's happening is like, fuck that, let's get the hell out of you, you know,

we've got to go, but yeah, just so many different things that are just like, unanswered questions,

and it's like, the curious side of the, my, you know, nature is like, I'm compelled to like,

try to find out, but on the part that of me that's still like, suitable, it's like, you know, don't

be careful what you go after, you know, that kind of thing, so it's kind of one of those things,

because it's still, at times really hard for me to go out in the woods, but I knew if I didn't

get back on the horse for the speak, it would have killed my spirit, I would have, you know,

seriously died a long time ago, but I'm not, got back on the horse, you know.

I'm glad you got back out there, man, that's no way to live your life, I think about those,

that guy with his eye twitching all the time, poor guy, man, gee, that was sure something,

you know, yeah, from what I know, he never crawled back out of the bottle, you know, everyone just

talks it up to, he's crazy, but he was the most trustworthy guy around that, everyone that

asked for help from, you know, whatever you needed, he was the go-to guy, and then all of a sudden,

he's a pariah, you know, he can't be treated weirdo, he's lost his mind, he's obviously, you know,

messed up all the time, the booze got him. Oh, that's unfortunate, he's,

yeah, and stuff like that, and he's not the only one I'm sure, it's just, you know,

I only can report on what's been shared with me, you know, and I mean, that's all I could do, and

you know, I just, I try to take the information I hear and try to, you know, maybe

pieces together with something else, and just like, trying to look for any kind of understanding

that I could like, maybe pass along to somebody, so they could be safe from what they're doing, but

it's so random when these encounters happen, because you could, your separate groups can go to the

same area a week apart, it stays apart, one group leaves, nothing happened, the other group

shows up, bam, you know, all of a sudden, craziness happens, you know, just like relatives visiting

a hunting camp, nothing happened when those relatives are there, but now we're here, and this is

happening, you know, that kind of thing, it's like a random in nature, and like a lot of times,

for the most part, people are compelled to leave, we'll say, they're encouraged to get the hell out

of there, whether they're paced out, stuff thrown, they leave. I'm always curious, what's that switch

that, that difference between that and what I endured and what, you know what I mean, my relatives

have endured, you know what I mean, like, what's that switch, what's the difference, what causes

that difference in just running us off versus, I know what food feels like.

You know, that's what my wife talked about too, she said she felt like praise, that's the first time

I've ever felt like praise, you know, when that, yeah, it's in the energy, it's in the air, it's

hard to explain, but when you feel it, it's like you've always known it, it's real hard, it's like

the damnedest thing, like that primal deep primal fear, that fight or flight, like that real

serious, like everything else I've been startled in my life, I found out that night, because that

primal fear, that what I consider like serious real fear, the rest is like child's play compared to

that, I've been startled by a charging bear, but what I thought was fair at that time wasn't,

doesn't even measure up to the level of, I resigned myself to death, you know, like,

I can't even really put what that feels like in the soul, in the words, but it took a lot of joy

out of my life for a good while. Well, I think I understand a little bit of it, because

one time we were, you know, I was in a helicopter company at one point where we, you know,

do healer assaults, things like that, but our helicopters started on fire and we were like

way up in the air, man, way up in the air, nobody even knew it was on fire, I just had my eyes closed,

I, I wasn't sleeping, but seen this flickering through my eyelids open my eyes and there's a fire

by the back door, and I'm like, I look, first I start pounding to get the next guy's attention,

everybody's sleeping, you know, the past the word down to that crew chief, hey, there's a fire

do something, and I, as soon as I get their attention, I look behind me out the poor window,

and I could see how small the lights were down there, and I thought, oh my god, you know,

I was so scared, but there was nothing I could do, and I just watched that fire, and I thought,

it's really helpless, you know, yeah, you, you get to the point where, because I was sitting there,

looking at it, and I said, oh, all right, so this is how I'm going to die, huh,

I'm a painless sucks, you know what, I kind of just, just gave up, basically, and then it's like,

I wonder how it's going to feel, I wonder what it's going to be like, getting ahead of building,

we're going to land on the street, like, you know what I mean, you know exactly what I'm talking

about then, yeah, it was just in different context of how are they going to smash this building

and smack me against the tree or rip me apart, you know, and I always said, I'm going to save one

around, and I was like, oh, for yourself, I was like, oh no, I'm going to go with my boots on

them and shoot it, and the privates are in the nose, or something, I'm going to let them know that,

you know, you grab Fred, and, you know, hopefully it'll be enough to make a difference, or, you know,

and I hope I'm gamey as hell, and real tough, I'm going to try to beat me, you know, I hope I'm as

well as hell, I hope you choke, yeah, choke on me, bastard, someone asked me and they're like,

well, you hit it three times, do you think it died, I said, I fucking hope it did, I hope it

bastard and suffered real good, you know, but I don't know, it's 30 out six, man, it's just not

moving, forward, it didn't buckle, flinch, one shot on a walrus, 2000 some pound walrus,

trust me, it makes a difference, it makes an impact, man,

an tornado grain, soft tip, corloc, I shoot and moose in the neck, they're dead, they drop dead,

like, one shot, one kill dead, like, it just, I never felt so defeated as that 30 out six,

not being the 30 out six, it's always been prior, you know what I mean, it's like, it felt like

you know, like, I had nothing to fight against, or fight against with, you know, it was just,

it's that's even hard to kind of verbalize, it was just defeating, I'll leave it, you know,

I mean, that's the best word to describe it, and even that's keep in comparison to the feeling

in your gut, when that's all you got, and obviously it doesn't work, you know, it just on that level

of, you know, life and death is just, you, well, okay, you've been into some stuff, so I guess

in context, dealing with the hairy man versus like war, you know, your, you know,

M4 clubbing is messed up, or whatever, I'm sure, you know, there's a comparison, but

in the context of a big, like, nothingness monster that absorbs like, well, like, what absorbs

light like that, it gave nothing back, like, it just, blacker than black. Weird. Yeah, that

still bothers my mind, and in my spirit, it felt like a big black nothing was there for us,

like, that's the only reason it was there was us, it just, you know, and I didn't, you know,

I was a heathen backed, and I wasn't praying or nothing, you know, it was, I wasn't, it wasn't

that kind of get down, so to speak, it was more, how do I get out of it? And I just, I just,

at the time, I saw no way around it, you know, and other than resigning myself to death and just

kind of trying to think of something, but those hours are just sitting alone and quiet, and,

you know, it's given anything back, you know, I was, I yelled at my elder, I yelled at my car,

I mean, I, I try not to share that part, because, you know, it, it hurts my soul, because we used

to be three peas in a pod, and to be felt like I'm with my loved ones that I've, I mean, my cousin

who was under the table was literally off my left shoulder before, helped me put down a style that

was charging us, like, he, he never flinched, you know, it was actually his shot that stopped it,

it, I mean, it was down there, I'm like, boot with his lips once he fell dead, you know what I mean?

Like, and he didn't run, he stayed right there, so like, in, it, prior to this night,

it's almost to say, who would you have there with you? He would have been one of them,

and I still don't take nothing away from the guy. You know what I mean? Because the shock that I had,

I, I, lucky I didn't have a heart condition, man, because I would have, I would have been having

publications, and there was me or whatever, and hell, you know, I, oh, that, that shock was just like

an electrical shock, real hard, like literally every fiber of my nervous system is trying to run,

but it was stuck in the skin, it was just the weirdest guilt, you know, and someone had asked me,

oh, were you protecting your family when you shot through the wall? I was like, no, no, it was

auto, I didn't have, it wasn't even, I should shoot now, I'm going to protect us, none of that, it was,

no one else existed in that moment except this monster and get off me, like, and it was all milliseconds

that it all transpired, you know, I'm not a hero, I don't, I don't even, what that even

brought up with my name, but I'm, hell no, I wasn't a hero, I was reacting out of raw fear,

it was autopilot, it was nothing about, I'm here to save the day, fuck that, it was like,

nothing else existed, but get off me, like, you know, self-preservation type shit.

Yeah, you know, I couldn't see that just because if your life's on the line, man, you're

dialed in on whatever is the threat, you know, and you don't, yeah,

yeah, it was in the backstage, into the background, it was like,

and it, I was probably experiencing the tunnel vision initially then, but I wasn't recognizing it,

because it was just brief, it was like milliseconds and then placed shifted with the

screen, and it was just like, a whole different thing, because I thought we're going in the river

when that happened, and I thought we're going to be swimming in any second,

because again, it was on skids, there's eight foot squares, I mean, five-eighths plywood

two-by-four construction, dorsal chancy, there's no knob or anything, it was a little j-hook,

and it might like, that's another thing, you know, when my cousin started moving around again,

there was this 16-pinning nail that we've been kicking around since we got in there,

he brought up nailing the door shut with the single 16-pinning, I was like,

what could, stay with me, like stay focused here, because that ain't nothing,

like that's as bad as me setting the chair over there, like what is it, what is it going to do?

Like we got to, like look beyond that, you know, and it's just amazing what goes through your mind,

the smallest sense of security is so welcomed, no matter how ridiculous it sounds,

you know, that chair there, I figured, okay, that's at least an obstacle,

but it wasn't, it was so unrealistic, it was just, you know, but again,

what those small things that will give a person comfort in the moment, you know, it does a lot

psychologically, you know, it kind of, kind of frees the mind there, like, you look for options, you know.

I was gripping that shotgun, so hard sitting there that it, my hand hurt, I would have to

let go of it, and I was scared to, but I'd have to, like, take my hand and bring life back,

you know, I was gripping it so hard, even to this day, almost 20 years later, excuse me,

almost 20 years later, my hand, if I'm holding something about that size for any period of

longer than just, you know, briefly, I'll get that clamp, that chain, and then automatic,

there's like, I won't even be thinking about that experience, but it just comes right back,

like, muscle memory, you know, certain smells of moss and diesel mixed together, like,

you know, the sound of a dog sniffing, and that was some of the creepiest shit ever, man,

to hear that sniffing sound was just so, just beyond creepy, you know, like the moss

hit in the window, bro, I can't explain how I think that I had trigger control, man,

because, you know, site picture, you have a target to shoot at, you know, that type of thing,

and the way these big moss, we have a pair of hit the windows, like a finger tap, man, it was just so

nerve-wracking, that almost drove me crazy, like, during a couple of those episodes of the

mottet and was when I had the thought of just running out the door and having a showdown, you know,

just thinking back on it, I was literally, I was probably insane, you know, like, I was probably like

sort of viable.

There he is. That's pretty intense, man, I don't even, how did your, did your uncle or your cousin

ever kind of, were they pretty much changed after this tour, were they ever the same after them?

Yeah, they weren't, you know, unfortunately my uncle has passed since, but like my cousin,

I've talked to him a couple times, it was at least 15 years before we had another conversation

together, and it was when I was initially going to share that experience, and I said, hey,

I'm going to, I'm going to tell you, I won't share your name or anything, but I'm going to share

what happened, and I laid out what I just did for you as my memory of it, and I said, what am I

missing? And that's when he reiterated it, showing his teeth, and also throwing the rocks at the,

at the outboard, and he, in essence, that was an omission of I remember it, that's all accurate,

but outside of that, he would not like speak anymore about it, and even that was really difficult

for him. There are certain places, obviously he doesn't go up the new cook ever again, but he,

he's an fisherman, he still goes on boat, he's still a hunts moose, it's, the accents are a lot

more restricted, and, you know, Uncle, he was already in his late 60s, so it was very easy for him

to dismiss and let his boys go hunt, you know, just, you know, outsource that, and we just, you know,

got into the, the tribal thing and the, you know, all that kind of stuff, so they,

a lot of what really changed is their interactions with other family members,

a lot more distant, especially me, like, and, you know, honestly, I was, you know, at times,

I was calling them all sorts of bitches, like, help me, like, help them, I'm, like alone, like,

you know, and, yeah, it was just, it breaks my heart, because until then,

he's in the pod, man, we were always the core of whatever adventure was happening.

Yeah, that's a nice thing.

Yeah, yeah, you know, it was, I felt betrayed, because, I mean, okay, my cousin was incapacitated,

obviously, but my uncle was not, I felt betrayed when I'm sitting there, asking for help,

saying also, and this, you know, I get, you know, the lusional talking about other stuff,

not, not being there in the moment, just, like, reflection and, like, whatever, I don't know if

his brain was trying to save himself from the trauma or what, and I don't begrudge that, okay,

it was, it was messed up, but I was peed in with them several times, like, help me, man, like, you

know, that sense of betrayal, it just, it cuts so deep, you know, all big time, man, big time.

Yeah, because, like I said, I fell into a bottle for a good four years and had a weird death wish,

you know, like, pushing my left with a lot of stupid shit, and it was a, a bi-product of not

being able to express myself, and, you know what I mean, the things you don't know at the time,

but you recognize later when you have a little more information in you, a little more grown-up,

so to speak, and not necessarily grown up, but a lot more emotionally mature, I guess, because

that's not a universal thing at 18, you know, obviously. Yeah, this, if you're a way of processing

it at the time, you know, and not having that help, what are you left with? Yeah, and then,

telling people what happened and saying, hey, they were right there, asked them, and then all the

sudden, you know, it went from, oh, you know, it was just nothing, whatever, to all the sudden,

like, it morphed into, well, we weren't even up there, and where we did go, he wasn't with us,

like, wait a minute, you know, and that even, like, widened that sense of betrayal, it made it

even deeper, like, it was just, it was just really messed up, it ruined it, I mean, it basically

ruined our relationship, you know, there's no way around it, that's just what it was, what it is,

and there's no recurring now, you know. I mean, I think beyond that, too, you see a reason to

warn people, I mean, because of your experience, I mean, you know, some folks might not realize,

yeah, what's going on, and it's easy, it's not in the channel, yeah. Like, if they stay silent,

then some unsuspecting person might go, you know, even if you just keep it in someone's mind,

way in the back somewhere, to take extra precaution, and I think you've accomplished some good,

you know, in a way of, well, being safe out there with these things, yeah, even if they don't believe,

they'll be it, just keep just in mind, yeah, just like, you never know,

yeah, because I, and it's no random, you know, yeah, like, people, you know, like, when I tell ghost

stories and stuff, you know, these ghost stories in my life that I've experienced, they've happened

over my whole lifetime, it's not like they were just back to back to back to back, you know, there's

things that happen, but it takes, it's random, like you said. Yeah, and it's usually the last thing,

complacency is horrible, because it happens. A lot of people going out in the woods,

if forget their firearm or something like that, and they, oh, I got bear spray, well, what if that

bear likes spicy food? Like, you know, I mean, like, it's not, it works good, but not always.

And it only works as good as a person using it. You know, they have safety's on them,

they have certain precautions, like, if someone's easily rattled and they can't function under

high pressure, forget about it. You know, and that, that's a defining factor in a lot of things.

And, you know, it's just, uh, knowledge is power.

Yeah, I mean, I keep thinking about you guys out there, if you didn't have any sort of firearms,

that, I think that was the deciding factor of you guys, even having a chance of getting away from that.

Yeah, and I think whatever game plan was had, as far as luring us out into that ambush,

I think I changed the plan when I shot through the wall. Yeah, I think that, I think that changed

everything, because it was like, everything that happened after that, like, the running around,

it was almost like they were seeing if we're going to shoot again, looking back on it. You know,

uh, they were going to drop fire and how much. Yeah, I think that's what, like, really changed things.

But again, I'm speculating, because I don't know, it's conjecture at this point, but,

you know, 2020 hindsight type thing and kind of analyze and look back and like I was saying earlier,

like certain parts of it is like video footage. And other parts are like, a bunch of sequenced photos,

like, particularly, you know, it's just, uh, I think, and that's from the trauma of the time,

you know, what's happening in those moments and stuff. Yeah, either way, it'll be burned in your

memory, you know, something traumatic like that, you know, you're never going to forget that.

You don't know the way it looks at me, the, the, the, the, the, the older it's brow, like, all of it,

the, the look at those black translucent, like, normal eyes, like, look,

but one thing that stands out is eyelashes, man, we're beautiful, like,

so symmetrical and like, lush. And it's weird that, you know, that stands out, but like,

it's weird, what sticks in your memory, like, the hair on the leg, when I look at that, pushing off

from the, the bank and everything, but like, those eyelashes were absolutely full and beautiful.

For both of us, you know what I mean? Like, and the skin, it looked ancient, wrinkles on wrinkles,

like, it was just, I don't know. I say, shumah, and I hope that one, the bastard real bad,

I hope it's still alive and hadn't been right since.

But I don't blame you again. That's, that's me. That's that, you know, vengeance side, you know,

vengeance, I'll be mine. And I'm biased. I tell people, hey, I'm biased, but when I share

their encounter, I leave my bias out of it because that's not keeping it in the, you know,

in the traditional oral history. And I treat each video I put out with that oral history with it,

you know, who it happened to where it was and what they said happened. Not my version of it, my,

you know, interpretation of it. Regardless of what it may be, good, bad, or indifferent.

One of the stories you were talking about when that sound would hit you, you could feel it,

you know, it's really similar when you were talking like that. You know, there were times where we

had to fire the 84 and you're kind of close to the back, back blast area, but you're not right there

and you feel that slap while you're close on your body. So first thing I thought of and that,

then it makes me think, how powerful is that thing that it can make a sound like that?

You know, and then on top of that, the double vocals, how, how the hell is this thing doing that?

Yeah, and like the way I view it is, you know, like what I was told is they've always been around.

And so, you know, I don't hold on to the traditional cultural type of beliefs as, you know,

my ancestors would as far as some of the aspects because again, you know, certain aspects of my life,

you know, I gravitated to the belief in the Bible and I don't cast a spursons on anyone who does

otherwise. That's their thing because for me, it's a one-on-one personal thing, but there's

certain parts of it. I hear people talking about the Nephilim, right? And so, you know, the Nephilim

are byproduct of the fallen ones and human women, but it also says in the same chapters that

the same fallen ones corrupted the flesh of the beast of the field, the fish of the sea and the

birds of the sea. And that was part of the reason, you know, the flood happened, you know, it's time,

but I feel that they're part of that corrupted flesh because I don't feel they're

Nephilim. I don't feel they're offspring because those Nephilim are the titans that, according to

what you said, you know, scripturally speaking. And again, I'm not trying to, you know, get on a

soapbox or evangelize anybody, but it's just, I believe they're part of that corrupted flesh

because the DNA study that's been done, which I give credence to because, like, legitimate

scientists went through a lot of effort to have that sequenced out. And human women want

back to, you know, Middle East area or something like that, an unknown father. Well, I mean,

that's in lines of what I kind of view what I get out of it as far as it's corrupted flesh.

And so I mean, that's that's just my view of it personally. And again, I don't ever

like get on my soapbox on the channel or anytime and like publicly just, oh, hey, bye, bye, bye.

I don't do that. That's not my place, you know, because again, it, you know,

it's a one-on-one type of belief. And don't tell a Christian that Jesus wasn't a Christian

just said, they don't know what to do with that. Yeah, you know, you're a heart-tick or something,

but anyway. So, you know, he was a Jew. Exactly. So, you know, in context, but for them, they just

get so caught up in these labels and stuff that don't understand that, you know, a church doesn't

make it, you a believer, no more than going in the garage, make sure a catalogue. There's a big

difference. So, you know, it's all in, you know, the reality of what it is. But anyway, I'll leave it

at that. I think they're along the lines of corrupted flesh, which it also says that it also

happened after the flood. So, I think that's why in every culture is because they've been around

us since that time. And so that would only make sense that they were, you know, every tribe says

they've been here forever, whether their interactions get better, whatever it's up. But that's

again, that's just my view of it. Yeah. But then I even think about, well, which flood, you know,

like there are as many floods, which flood was the flood? Because we have stories of that too,

so that's why I kind of wonder. Right. And again, I revert back to what's, you know,

typically spoken of in Noah's time. And so, you know, I guess it'd be like 4,000 some

years ago at this point or 6,000 some years ago, whatever it may be, I forget the timeline exactly

because I'm not a Bible scholar by any means. But, you know, that's just, you know, from what I

gather, that's my point of view on it. Because again, I can't like speak for your tribe per se,

or even mine. And, you know, there's no experts in this. Yeah. I mean, not tribal life anyway.

I mean, big foot, every man, whatever any could, there's no experts, you know, and like these

people that go around and anyway, labeled that, it just sickens me. You may have experience of

this set of where, but you don't have a Jane Goodall moment. Like you got one in your garage,

we'll get us some answers like, and like the supposed community, people ask me all the time,

do you know this person that was no, I don't know that I know a few people and

some are cool. And other ones I'm not associated with because it's not a community. And so many are

like, well, I got some footage on the show, but you can't show it. It's like, well, I don't want it

if I can't show it publicly. What's the point of trying to share the truth? If you're not willing

to share it, you're gatekeeping potentially something that could save some of his life. Like, what's

the point of that? You know, I don't understand that. It's like different clicks. It reminds me of

junior high school, you know, and that's why I just stand my bubble for the most part.

You know, with me, I think everybody is right. Like, everybody's theories and all of this and

that. I think there's, if you took them all together and you put them in one big pot, I think we

would have a kind of a better well-rounded idea of what they are because, you know, we're all just

really guessing. We really don't know. Nobody does. So I think exactly. There are parts of it,

like when I come at it from the spiritual side, I think there's some valid stuff in it because

of the stories you hear from other people, you know, not that I have any personal experience with it

because I don't, I've never even seen one. I have this weird little experience, so I think I was

around one, but I didn't see it. So I mean, I don't dismiss those even though I haven't experienced it,

you know, someone asked me, well, you know, they bought up the spiritual aspect and I was like, well,

they weren't dancing around the Ouija board when we went out there and they weren't coming up a

portal book. I just because I didn't experience it doesn't mean it didn't happen somewhere else.

You know, I can't dismiss it, you know. So I remain open-minded just for the fact that I dealt with

orbs. That was crazy. So Miss Carol's house I'd missed in her briefly earlier, but she, you know,

80, something or whatever, but she was living along because her husband had died and been buried on

that property. Well, they had sold their original homestead property down by Kenny Lake off the

copper river and the valley over there by Rangles, St. Elias, you know, and they moved to this property

because they didn't need the big property and so her husband got sick and as he was sick,

that's when the activity started happening, things getting thrown up on the roof randomly,

weird noises outside. It was like the vulnerability was like a draw for these things up here,

you know, and yeah, and so he eventually died and once he passed away and she buried them,

like that's when things really started upticking, whereas finally she reached out to me and when

she had finally reached out, she was in her bathroom with a shotgun because she was scared to leave

her bathroom because it was outside banging on the walls in the roof, right? And he says,

no lady, she got nothing to gain, she was terrified. You know, she had clobbed the troopers,

they showed up, they looked around, they didn't, you know, knowing those, you know, those

nothing they could do other than we'll check by everyone on small, that kind of thing and

basically we're dismissive of like an old lady just looking for attention.

Well, me and I call him Squatchbait, but his name is Ryan and anyway, I call him Squatchbait just

to be a jerk, you know, you know how your buddies got a ribble, but he's old, we're now, everyone

only knows him as Squatchbait, they don't even know his real name and to me, that's hilarious,

it's perfect. But anyway, so we go down there and when we showed up, she answered the door after

we had to like call her and hang on her door and say, and he had spread, you know, walking on

his bread, we're here and he finally came out and she was carrying a riot shotgun, you know,

and she was obviously terrified. She wasn't like putting on a shelf for anybody and

she told us where she'd last heard the banging and we go over there, there's 18 in tracks

and that she could have never hoaxed her, you know, falsified it, there was no way.

And so, you know, we've been going there for a couple of years trying to see if we could help

alleviate the harassment with like infrared, flood lights and the things, you know, that are worth

to try and gain cameras, that kind of thing, right? But like the third or fourth time we were there,

it was after we'd already been trying things for a couple of years and she had claimed that she,

you know, because she's the head of the household on that property, it's up to her to bless it

and whatnot, right? Because you can't outsource that type of thing, it's got to be, you know, a family

that, you know, a member that's lead or what have you, you know, head of the house, but

so she had done all that kind of stuff and it didn't seem to work and we were there and it was about

11 o'clock at night, but it was landed in midnight sun type, you know, time. So it was like dusk,

the sky was still light, the tree lines were kind of pretty dark, but she was sitting across from me

and we were getting a bite to eat and she goes, man, that light and she's kind of looked, it was like,

the beginnings of just starting to get dark enough where there's a mirror effect on the inside of the

window and she thought it was a light inside her house that she was seeing and she asked me to take a

look, she's like, that's what is that? And I look out the window and it was an orb, right? So I

I grabbed my 45 suspect in my pocket and I go out the door and I'm looking at this thing and it's

like a plasma like ball. It's like a couple sizes bigger than like a softball, right? But it was

like a salmon colored like plasma swirl going on, but inside of it was this white

the fine thing, but because of the way it was swirling, it was hard to make out, so I'm staying at it

and it starts moving to my left. It's about 15, 20 feet away for me and about the same distance in the

air, right? And it's swirling, but not moving, you know, just the outer shell is swirling around,

like a plasma force feel like look to it and it starts moving to my left and so a parallel behind

it, but just back a little bit and I'm walking along the side of the cabin there and I'm watching

it because I'm trying to get a look at the, you know, what that white the fine thing was in it.

And once it gets, you know, down, it goes only about 25 feet and it stops near the outhouse and I

just parallel with it. I kept the same distance, but I'm looking at it and it starts moving into

the trees and it's making a little more erratic movements, right? And so as it moved the way for me,

because it was clear cut for the driveway and then it was thinned out, so you got a better line of

sight, you know, and then it got a lot more dense about 70-ish feet from the house, right? And so

it's making these erratic movements, so I keep the same distance and then when I cross the driver

and I get to where it was near where it was by the outhouse, it starts shimmering like a cat

lure, like a mylar in the sunlight, you know, and I was like, whoa, and it was like trying to lure

me into the woods and I immediately, the hair stood up, like that's when everything really felt like

oh shit, I'm, you know, something is off, like it's the, I'm in danger kind of feel, you know?

And I do the pistol and all of a sudden I hear from behind me over on the porch,

Squatspate is there and he's got like this XBR custom 308 AR-10 rifle, you know, like a battle rifle

and he's like, we should go inside now and I was like, oh, she startled me, you know, because I

didn't realize he was even there. And I was like, what? And he goes, we should go inside now. And

the way he is is just so, he's an IT guy, he's like a tech guy, so when he talks, it's not like

over-amplified, he's just like a, you know, monotone kind of talk. But yeah, and he goes, we can't,

we can't shoot that and has like, no shit. So, you know, we retreated back into the house, but

dealing with that orb on that same property and everything was just like, whoa, because I'd heard

about him prior, but never experienced it, right? And so I started digging deeper as far as the

history of that property because something was off. Some to find out there was a cult that had that

huge, like, it was like a homestead property, 160 acres at one point. And it was a religious cult

and they got broken up and sent away, you know, they confiscated the property and sold it off

in the little allotments. And that's where Ms. Carolyn ended up getting a lot and building this cab

in that, you know, her husband eventually died in. And so, I, a random viewer of the channel

reached out to me and said, hey, I happened to come across this person that was a young teenage

girl that was a member of the cult. And she's willing to tell you about the things she witnessed

or is like, perfect. So I got a hold of this person and she was telling me how they were doing

black sex magic with kids, blood sacrifices with animals, and all these other like

atrocious things, man, this atrocious, right? And so then it made a lot more sense of what was

happening because everything we tried to work to stop the harassment, it was like ineffective.

It was like, there's far more kind of evil, I guess, kind of happening. And we could battle against.

It was above our pay, you know, it was like, you know, it was just,

she doesn't even stay there anymore. She still has a property book. She lives up by Fairbanks,

hundreds of miles away because when she's there, it's just here harassment. And no one will live

there with her. And it's out in the middle of nowhere, it's freaking piny like, you know, there's

neighbors around, but they're so hush hush. They don't even talk about the craziness they deal with.

Spring just slid into your DMs. Grab that boho look for that rooftop dinner,

those sandals that can keep up with you, and hang some string lights to give your patio a glow up.

Spring's calling. Ross, work your magic.

Yeah, it's stuff like that, you know, and that's why, you know, my tech, that gets on me about

pushing coffee mugs and teasers like, no, that there's no way in hell I could like feel any

kind of good about that kind of crap. You know, it just, you know, there's channels out there on

YouTube, new merch, push the merch under every little video loop. There's a bunch of product

line that, you know, they're pocket or whatever. And, you know, I have what's yours, but I know

that's not what it's about, you know, it's about the safety of people and I ain't going to make

a dollar on someone's trauma like that. You know, it's just, it's, it's messed up, you know,

especially when I talk to the people so often, they become like friends of mine, like family,

like, you know what I mean? Because, you know, you learn so much about them and you have so much

interaction on, especially something like that going there and checking things out and looking at

things that you can't just like toss them aside, you know, that that's not cool either. That's not

in my nature, you know. I understand that. She's like, I don't even have merch on mine.

I don't do merch either, but uh, because that my thing is is we we preserve our stories,

you know, that we share these stories are powerful and they're there for the future generations to

come, you know, it's good to keep this alive, regardless of what the stories are about,

because like in your case, it's all about, you know, a warning like, hey man, be aware, don't,

don't go up there with your pants down, you know. Yeah, even if they don't believe.

And see, that's important. That's bigger than us. That's that's powerful. You know, if you can

help somebody that's that's way bigger than us. But uh, yeah. And like the interactive map on the

website, to me, I had the, the it was my brainchild or whatever you want to call it, right? Because

I envisioned interactive maps where you mark a pins will show a location, you click it, it

brings up a little synopsis, but it's you can go to the video. And I don't know how to do that

crap. I'm a carpenter. You know what I mean? I have no clue on how how that crap works. But

luckily a tech guy reached out because he heard me mentioning it in some of my early videos. And

he volunteered. He goes, well, do you own the website, the name, the domain name? I was like,

I don't even know what that is. He went out of his way to like register to my name and pay for it.

And you know what I mean? And built the website. You know, so if you ever go to the website,

check out the interactive map. It's a subordic Alaska Sasquatch.com. Nice. And you know, it's very

nice website. I'm thankful for his help. You know, he he's really done a lot for me. So when you

click on the map, you zoom in, you see all these marker pins and you click on one, it'll bring up

a synopsis. It's embedded with the channel. So you can go right to the corresponding encounter video.

Dang, that's pretty bad. Yeah, yeah, that's why it was like really cool that it like the way it

meshed, it was just like, I don't know how I'm going to how it's going to happen. But this is

what I would like in a vamp. There it is. Like like every step has been like helped someone

to step forward. You know, and it's been a blessing on that aspect, you know, because I don't know

squad about chat. Like I'm lucky to return an email. You know, some of them going back on your

encounter at the the gold pan. I was thinking about the nightmare of just having those things running

around that and feeling that see my cousin. One time he was out of sweat and they were, you know,

they were in there. And when you're in these sweats, let me just explain it. It gets strange to

people that don't really know what's happening because different spirits come in there, right?

Different. And how do I say it there? They're ultimately their helpers of the creator,

you know, because in our tribe, you don't fool with any of these bad things. It's always,

you know, ultimately from the, you know, from him, the source of life. So we always kind of,

you know, guard against those bad ones. But there was a time when he was telling me, he said,

yeah, I went to the sweat and said, you know, I showed up. I said, who's that? He says,

I want to do his big foot. I said, well, how do you know? He said, man, because we all felt it when

we were all sitting in there. He walked around that lodge, you know, once and then he,

he kind of sat down with us in there. And when you say sit down in there with it, it's not like

he's actually in there because when you're in there, it's like you're in a whole different world.

But he went in and sat with them when they were in there. And it was a spirit. It wasn't,

it wasn't a real physical one. It was one of the spirits that went in there and sat down.

But to hear him say that you can feel the vibration you're just sitting there and hearing

your story. Man, you could tell they were of different sizes by the impact on the ground.

Like you could tell the ones that were heavier because the shaking and you feeling your feet

was more than others, you know, like because when that's happening, you're going through some

trauma, like the noises they were making, I couldn't tell you a thing. But the way it felt and I

could tell you, you could tell the difference between the impact of the feet, you know, and

that initial one running by that sounded like a helicopter in the near distance that

that was like just a sound of it. You can feel it. Yeah, but the feel of it like got more and more

as it got closer, but just that the sound it made of the impact like at a near distance,

like it was just so intense, like, you know, because at the time you don't recognize the

immenseness, the power of certain things, you know, it's only when you have time to step back and

take a look back that you can really wrap your mind around certain stuff. I still can't

wrap my mind around that big black nothing. That still is just like

terrible feeling on the inside, you know. The mass it takes to have that

sort of effect on the ground too. I mean, it's just

it's my kind of feeling. Yeah, because they were obviously, I mean, it had to been more

more than a thousand pounds, you know, like it was just crazy. But hey, hey Rod, not to cut it,

but we've been at it almost two and a half hours. I do have some things at a taxi.

Obviously, we can have another chat, you know, if you'd like, you know, because obviously we could

go on for days like, yeah, I'm sorry, I just get engrossed, you know, and especially with your

stories, it's like, oh my gosh, I didn't even realize it was that so I looked at the time around my

phone, buddy. Yeah, I better jump off too. I mean, I got some stuff I need to take care of here too.

My wife was getting mad at me earlier too, and she was trying to get my attention, but I was

to into your story. All right. Yeah, I don't want to deal with that same thing, but yeah, man,

let me know when you got it all ready and whatnot and the link and all that kind of happy stuff.

And, you know, and again, we could pick this up again sometime. Okay. All right. Yeah, and

definitely stay in contact there, brother. Okay. All right. Well, too, I mean, take it easy and

have a good night and thanks for your time, I know. Hey, no, it's been a pleasure, man. We'll talk

again. I appreciate it. We'll see you. All right. Bye.

Hey, that was awesome.

So, on the next episodes that are coming up, there are a few that I need to still edit that are

sitting on the back burner, and there's a lot of people I need to contact yet and get everything

set up. So in the meantime, I have two that are here that I need to work on. And from that point,

I'm going to start getting more in your reuse. I have one lined up. We're going to get

stories from the Ojibwe. We're going to get part two at that. Finally, yeah, we're fine again.

Gonna get that one. Jim Alderson. Hello, Jim. He's a faithful listener.

He said, we need to get Arlen on for the warrior stories. And I contacted Arlen Pots and he said, yeah,

soon, we'll come up with it. We'll have a time to sit down and do that. So, you know, the

podcast is still going. And all of the people that write in is awesome. Like, at some point,

I'm going to read all of these stories. I have people that wrote stories and, yeah,

so at some point, we're going to, once I get enough of them and I can fill up an hour's worth of

time, we're going to go with that. So until then, stay tuned. And now next time.

Now receiving frequency transmission. I remember having a very profound realization about my dog

when I was on mushrooms, one Halloween.

He sat by me and I realized we're the men's gratitude that dogs are all sentinels.

We've merely fooled ourselves into thinking that we take care of them. But they are truly

our guardians sent here to watch over us. They are angels. And yes, we need to feed them and

bathe them. And yes, he peed in the hallway. And I wished that angels didn't pee in hallways,

but they do. That's the thing about altered states. They don't show you what isn't there. They

show you what was always there hiding in plain sight.