Ep. 842: Jani's Hunt for a Manitoba Giant | 12 in '26

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the bait thing is very contentious

even for me personally like when you watch this on television

it looks almost too easy and i've watched youtube videos of this and been like is that really hunting

isn't easier than sans pottenstock hunt 100%

but one of the cool things that you get from baited hunt like this is you get to be very

particular about the animal you hunt you don't have to make a judgment call on the size and the sex

at 300 yards or 500 yards or even 100 yards here you get to do it at 10 yards 12 yards

and so it's much easier to pick out the mature male

not shoot a salad cubs i don't know it'll be interesting i need to put some time in

and just get a feel for all of it until i can really even have an opinion about it at this point

it's all new to me

what you just heard there were my ruminations from the first afternoon evening of my manitoba

bear hunt where i'm sort of trying to figure out what in the world is going on

welcome to 12 and 26 podcast i should say welcome to the 12 and 26 podcast this is the

companion show to our 12 and 26 hunting fish films rolling out this year

what are the fish films uh Corey I only know of 12 hunting films is there some fish in

well we know there's some fish in the behind the scenes on your manitoba bear hunt

there is there's any front and center fish who wrote this script not me

haha Corinne um anyway we're gonna do this for all of the 12 and 26 episodes films things that

are coming out this year which if you haven't heard we're doing an hour long just hour long

versions of what we always do we're gonna drop one a month and alongside that we're just gonna

have other things like articles and podcasts like this one where the host of the show will

answer your questions from the internet whether it's youtube or instagram um and then just

sort of give you a little bit more background a little more context to uh the the things that we do

so um if you're turning into the show right now and haven't seen my manitoba bear hunt go and watch

that and then this podcast will make more sense to you um and you know what the next one is

Corey coming up in March I guess the next 12 and 26 well it all has to do with our post-production

team getting it out on time uh-huh depending on uh which one but I believe it stars clay new come

I think we're trying to balance out which location and which pursuit he's got a couple of them

this year he does yep maybe some more bear hunting maybe maybe mr. bear grease that would make sense

we'll see we'll see all right today I'm here with Corey who you've already heard from and fill

the engineer to address your questions about my manitoba black bear hunt and uh want to thank you

for writing in and giving us some questions so we can uh make this bonus content here um Corey and

Corinne took a uh bunch of time to curate uh these questions if there was you know 10 of the same

question or 10 versions of the same question we definitely chose those so we're trying to answer

the uh the most the most requested questions um let's see up top we like to address the controversy

drama and disagreement inspired by abated bear hunt and um again you guys all major voices clear

on both sides of this issue let's see should I tell should I say the names of who uh

i think so yeah all right give them a little shout out mark emcee murphy 9507 rights

i'm sorry guys but this is not hunting i should probably be careful about editorializing with

my voice huh Phil yeah maybe i could be it could be very easy to do that yeah maybe i don't

know if you want to say like quote unquote anything like that yeah but the because these are the

anti uh uh baby you mean editorializing with like the tone of your voice yeah you don't want to

sound like like steves did did it because these are these are the folks that are not down with the

baiting i'm sorry guys but this is not hunting this is just killing even if there is a exploitive

ton of bears in manitoba and parentheses heart my canada and if you're only taking mature

boards there is no stalking and no actual hunting is this right up there with animals cage then

released for killing i don't think so but come on guys you're better than this and i still love

me eater at Christopher oh dash k2i says if you can't hunt it fairly don't hunt it all

actually this is not hunting it's just killing the easy way disgusting here's at moosey 1961

i will never understand why any good hunter has to bait an animal in to kill they are not real

hunters get exploitive out there and track and hunt now on the flip side at struggle bus operator

kind of like that uh handle rights it's population control anybody who wants a challenge

in quotes can find one elsewhere but baiting can be a part of wildlife management

at my french bulldog in me says incredible watch and representation of how ethical hunting doesn't

end with legal bait and plenty of bears just a different look at hunting at powder knit states

i dislike the uppity mentality that hunting is only big time spot and stalk hunting

at some random gamer some random gamer 1260 thank you i was going somewhere else with that but

uh they write there's literally evidence in the animal world of other species using bait to hunt

birds using bait to attract fish into striking distance for example turtles with tongues literally

shaped like a worm to lure fish into their mouths and yet there's still some grown men who think

hunting has to be difficult at the little spoon 1982 says as a fisherman i see nothing wrong with

baiting your catch seems like gatekeeping to me to shit on people who bait for hunt who bait

animals for hunting so if somebody asks you now what do you think about bait and bears what would

you take me yawning that that's karen asking this question oh no cori maybe you were spooked and

i see your name i didn't want to interrupt you were rolling that's all right we'll get we'll get

this dialed by the end of it that's perfect so not before i've been thinking a lot about the whole

bait and thing especially since the episode came out and the comments came out it just you know i've

have had almost a year to be thinking about this and there's a lot to say about it number one

i'll say this i am still a very inexperienced like bait hunter i only have those three days

well that's not true i've like i said i've done i think i've done two days over feeders in

texas for bears or for pigs and deer so it's still very very small amount of experience

your big spot and stock guy well i or sit in a tree stand i mean i do all kinds of hunting a lot

but i just don't have a lot of experience doing bait at hunts and i say that

not as a way to get out of answering the question but because i've often find myself because i

what i get to do and going to try different kinds of hunting all the time there are a lot of times

the first even second time of when you're on a hunt it doesn't matter if it's guided or not

i'm a stranger to the landscape i'm a stranger to the animal that fits a new animal than i'm

hunting right so i'm just i'm still like in the introductory stage i'm still learning i'm still

building a relationship both with the landscape and the animal and so it happened to me in Latvia

right where we went there to hunt and i had this great stag kind of presented to me but it was

literally two hours into the first morning of the hunt i'm kind of like just there being kind of

casual like i don't know that this looks like it's pretty easy i mean we'd already seen like two

other stags that morning and i didn't feel the pressure of like oh you need to get this thing killed

now because this is your opportunity right and so same thing with these bears with with with

with a baited hunt i think going back and doing it a second and third time i might actually be

more excited have more buck fever in the moment on the second or third time i kill a bear over bait

that i did the first time because again you're just it's so new you don't even i don't even know

to be excited yet right because you're just kind of like oh this is easy but as i saw in my hunt

it's like the mature boar he only showed up on day three and maybe he wasn't going to show up right

so it's not again that's my experience um but i don't know we're going to continue coming back to like

probably what i think about baiting bears uh there's a bunch of questions related to that um

i don't think there's anything wrong with it the thing that it was caused me the most

sort of thought and and sort of friction in my head has been

well if that's okay how come i'm not really okay with baiting deer

hence a question we received via instagram was that a question yeah

would you have the same outlook on baiting bears as you would baiting white tail

yeah and that one has i think the word is consternation um it's just giving me a lot of time to think

to think about it because where we are in Wisconsin you're not supposed to bait but there's some

baiting that goes and answer and it definitely Steve has always said talking about bait

that anytime the bait sort of changes the animal's natural movement patterns he doesn't really like

well obviously with these bears it's changing where they are it's concentrating them big time

right and we talked about the reasons why to do it right it's like it's all kind of there in

that intro of that episode it's like you get to see a lot of bears you get to observe bears

and then you get to pick which bear you're gonna kill which spot and stock hunting as you know a lot

of times it's like you're like oh i think it's a big bear there's something black like i'm

gonna shoot it i'm gonna kill it oh yeah spot and stock bear hunting i mean unless it's

south with cubs or if it's like obviously a small bear you're seeing it's like pretty hard to pass

up an opportunity of just seeing one of his needles because you've been grinding it's hard right

yeah so i think that and as you can see in the comments a lot of people don't like it because

it's too easy and to that i feel like i have a great answer it's like if you're sitting in a blind

on a food plot i'm not even a food plot let's just say it's a corn field or any field where deer

are gonna come out like an hour before dark and then you're gonna shoot one that's by no means

any harder than what i did right yeah like you know they're coming to that food source

you've set up on that food source in an ambush location so sure maybe you didn't dump the

corn out in the field a farmer grew it or whatever but it's kind of basically the same thing

yeah right but you did a fantastic job in this episode uh man atoba black bear it set in the

scene as to what goes into the bait and how much work that entails you know yeah i'm in money

lot of energy for sure for sure but i'm just saying like it's i think that people see it and they're

just like oh it's too easy you're just there and you shoot it and as the hunter on a guided hunt

yeah we went and i helped Craig do a little bit but yeah i'm not putting in the effort that he is

right to get the bears to be coming to that bait um so that feeling that you get from a hard

earned opportunity whether it's hiking the mountains for elk for a week or for multiple years to

get a shot at one and then you get one sort of that elation i'm probably not gonna get that from

shooting a bear over bait right but what i do want to say is that just because it's easier

i don't think that should necessarily take away from the experience just like set your expectations

right like you're not going to have that big oh moment and just like tears are going to

come bursting out because you just put in five crazy days of work right this is way more casual

whatever but it is what it is and it shouldn't take away from it there's a lot like i said in the

watch the episode there's a lot of things that you get to experience doing that that you don't

get to experience grinding the mountains for five days you know so again i just don't think that

we we should look at it as it's um that it's exclusive of one another that just because one

it's one version of hunting is easier that it's not proper hunting or not ethical hunting or not

the right kind of hunting it's just different so cool let's watch this next clip which i think

you just kind of set up the kind of environment that you're in feels ready for us to move on folks

two hours northwest of Winnipeg and we're still very much in southern Manitoba this central

Canadian province runs seven hundred sixty miles north of south the outfit sits just north of riding

mountain national park and just west of Lake Manitoba to the south are the great plains and to the

north the beginnings of the boreal forest this part of Manitoba is an even mix of forest and agriculture

aspen and bur oak dominate the woods and the fields are mostly canola wheat and soybeans this

makes for unbelievable bear habitat Manitoba is estimated to hold 30 to 40 thousand black bears

man something about black bear hunting yani and forest fires and smoke when we went hunting in our

oh that's right in Montana we had somehow had to deal with forest fires in May didn't expect that

and it affected our hunt but yeah you could see it's all smoky and and that clip there and pretty thick

hey we actually ran into hunters traveling on that hunt um that had gone farther north and had to

be evacuated and didn't even get to go black bear hunt oh interesting yeah so it's a thing

so after we watched and heard that were you hunting McCarthy's property in Manitoba and can you

describe the layout of that habitat uh so we were not hunting the McCarthy's place um we were hunting

either public land that he has the right to baton or private land where he has an agreement with

the landowner to have a bait site um as far as what it looks like um I mean you saw it there

in in the clip if you're only listening um it is a very even mix of woods and ag I mean it's kind

of what you'd expect in a lot of parts of the Midwest where the ag hasn't gone completely nuts so

and they're whether or not ag and you know farm and from ditch to ditch um but here there's still a lot

of woods left between the fields um and yeah it was I was surprised to see I was because like I

said in the description there in the video it's Aspen and Oak trees hmm which I've never seen

that mix anywhere else I mean we have big tooth Aspen down in Wisconsin but not these

populous tremolodies like the ones that we have out west here the ones that are white real white

barked and you know you get the great colors in in the fall and they shimmer in the wind that's

the same Aspen that's there so it's a really cool mix and I bet you in the fall it's just

absolutely gorgeous I mean oak trees and Aspen's I mean it's got to be killer yeah colors the foliage

would be popping yeah um that's a lot of bears obviously that you've got to witness daily out there

and then obviously Manitoba massive province but the just a section you were in you had a lot of

bear encounters so there must be plenty of places for them to to rest and recover and hide out

assuming during the day uh so just looking at that photo we're looking at uh from that clip

it's a good mix a lot of a lot of habitat for them to hide in and then plenty of farm field

farm fields to feed in yeah the best of both worlds everything a bear wants

and then you were there in June right so it's probably early farm and season assuming nothing's

like standing too tall yet in those fields no no we saw farmers actually planting

planting fields prepping for the season yeah so did you pick those dates that you hunted

on Manitoba that week no uh I think the season ends second week of June or after the second

week of June so pretty much runs all of May and then two weeks into June um he usually a lot of times

doesn't hunt into June um but because this was kind of last minute he got a spot for me kind of

on the back end of everybody else hunting um he felt like it's good and bad the basically the

father you get into June the hides are going to be more rubbed except for the big boars he said

that for whatever reason the big boars seem to keep do less rubbing um and keep their nice hides

longer it might be because they're more focused on rutting so that's kind of peak rutting activity

is that June time period and so because they're you know looking for sows they're not sitting around

rubbing their hides off I was going to ask that did you witness any rutting action

uh I mean the big boar that came in I mean probably any boar that was sort of you know middle size

middle age to bigger or older is coming there because they know there's going to be sows at that

bait there's going to be more than one sow and there's going to be more than one boar you know

coming around right so um but I wouldn't say that we didn't actually see any sort of boar chasing

a sow activity no not specifically coming in this kind of a win-win form you might find some food

well they will find some food maybe they'll find a lady too yeah that probably they probably do

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let's see a change in topics we had a few questions come in about bear bait ingredients

someone on Instagram asked what kind of bait is used and how does it affect the flavor of the meat

and fat of the bears we've got a clip here from the film which could help answer that

I just put a bit of oats and then I'll top it off with some corn

at the start of the season I usually just use oats just oats and the grease use grease how do you

get your hands on enough grease to for this I got a some ins with a few restaurants and they just

hold it all for me use fryer oil use fryer oil yeah and then I put an answer to Northwood's

bear products in it some expired stuff

eat anything that's soaked in fryer oil you think they'd eat it less if it was just playing

bread well if it's got green they're fussy if it's like rotten like that they won't eat it

no kid unless he soak it they don't eat fish because they're not raised on it like they are in

BC and stuff right at the salmon runs and they just and then meat if the meat goes rotten they don't

like it but something about beaver something about beavers right now if you're only listening again

we were at the bait barrel and after putting in the corn and oats that were soaked in the fryer

oil we added some outdated bread it was moldy so that's why we were talking about the mold but he

said if you you know soak it in some grease then they're more apt to get after it so yeah our

ingredients included oats corn grease bearly or birthday cake and beaver meat the most

interesting part about it was that there is some tactics involved with baiting like early on

when he's doing the sort of pre baiting to set the stations up before he's got hunters coming in

it's only the oats and they're soaked and the reason he does that is because the oats don't

fill the bears up they just go right through the bears they kind of just poop them right out

and it's very evident when you're at the bait site because it was like a 20 yard radius where it's

almost like a just a smear of bear poop oats that are just they're still whole like they're just

not breaking them down they're not getting nutrients out of them so they fill up they leave they come

right back so he feels like that helps him come back and then as it gets time to hunt them

he starts adding the corn and adding other things to sort of sweeten the pot a little bit

and hopefully make that one you know big bear come in during daylight hours

the other more interesting thing was how into the beaver meat they are yeah um the first night

it was just hung basically what they could get to it very easily and the first bear that came in

got the beaver out of the tree went off 50 yards and you could hear a munching on it other bears were

coming in they could smell that he was over there or she was over there chewing on that beaver meat

they would go over there they'd tussle you know get a chunk or whatever and you and once it was

all gone the bear started hitting the bait barrel but that beaver meat is number one for whatever

reason and I even ask Craig about like how come you just wouldn't use roadkill yeah like there's

moves around there's elk around there's deer around and he's like man they're not into it wow

not into it with that sweet beaver meat I love it his theory is that it's one of the first of

easy available foods for them in the in the spring and the south can teach those cubs to basically

sit on a beaver run and hunt them easily so they sort of grow up you know with a taste for it yeah

like he was saying they don't like fish which is surprising to me because it's just a stinky old fish

you think would just yeah you think anything right but if they're not used to it if they're not

grown up on it as a beaver and now I would imagine they're like anything if you just kept giving it

to him kept giving it to him that some would start to eat it slowly and then you know maybe they

develop a taste for it but anyways so people want to know if like that changed the flavor of the meat

or the fat again he only baits him for about eight weeks total maybe that's enough time to change

the the flavor bear meat but again it's mostly corn and oats there's like some oil on there

there's a little bit of the pastries and the sweet stuff or take cake yeah I just don't think

it's quite enough the only time that we've experienced that is with the Prince of Wales Island bears

that literally are eating fish or seafood year round like they're always scavenging on the beaches

whether it's they're eating mussels or they got salmon coming up the creeks and eating those whatever

it might be that bear meat Steve one time gave me a chunk and said close your eyes and eat this

and when I ate it it was a smoked chunk of bear but when you ate it you thought you were eating

salmon jerky because it just tasted like a salmon that sounds pretty good yeah it actually wasn't

bad at all it wasn't like it was rotten salmon it was just you know smoked it was a more of a

smoked salmon flavor than a smoked red meat flavor so yeah I don't think it it changes change it

at all so did you notice any different taste you did that what was the recipe that you cooked up

up there at their no their camp did you notice any off putting taste in the flavor no the fat that

you've been eating on no the fat is completely what makes bear grease so great is that it's

odorless and flavorless I mean I just I think that if you did a blind taste test and you had

I don't know olive oil and avocado oil and whatever grape seed oil bear would land bear grease

would land in the oils that are just the the most flavorless and odorless like I feel like olive

oil I could probably pick out I'm trying to think of one other one that's like it's like just

very very bland um but yeah there's just no flavor to it that's great that is

from youtube at ua2894 asks isn't it bad to feed the bears on that stuff

when we're all health yeah with the health of the bears again if it was a year-round program

it probably would not be good for the bears um everything in moderation you know we did hit

this in a meteor podcast where there's some sort of study being done I think maybe even North Carolina

they excuse me outlawed um some types of bait because literally the bears there were getting

tooth decay tooth rot interesting um but again I'm assuming it was like a year-round program or

just a lot of it you know bears aren't brushing their teeth and it was you know it was affecting

the affecting the bear um so yeah again too much of it probably not good um follow-up question

someone asked wouldn't this encourage bears to rage garbage cans I talked Craig McCarthy this

morning about that um they do not have like a higher prevalence of bears in garbage cans or at

people's houses than anywhere else where there's bear human interface you know I think they want

to see these bears are off the bait once the season ends again there's just so much food and that

habitat between acorns from those oak trees and then all of the stuff that they're growing canola

corn soybeans sorghum you name it it's all there that those bears are just have a lot of food

at their disposal funds calves moose deer yeah I'm sure at some point you know when there's when

there's the when it's faunting season I'm sure they snack on a few beavers yeah beavers

well okay moving on from baiting mm-hmm a few folks asked if you could detail your archery setup

your bow and arrow setup where were you shooting uh that was a Matthew's lift x set at 70 pounds

um you know my droll length is just shy 30 inches I shoot a about a 30 inch arrow maybe my

arrows 29 and a half um I'm shooting the uh rip TKOs uh with the 200 grain head on them there's

it weighted insert as well I think my total arrow weight is right around 500 grains for that setup

yeah anything else you want to know about my bow and arrow setup no that was pretty good I don't

think we're gonna single bevel broadhead from iron will that's what I shot through it and um yeah

got a nice pass through and the bear died 50 yards later you know less than 30 seconds we heard

the deathmone yeah don't remember if you covered it in the film or not but where did you hit them did

you hit the middle just forward of middle of middle like you know you just can't we we've replayed

it which is often fun to do when you video hunts as you can replay and see exactly where you hit

but the lights fading just enough that arrows moving just fast enough that you it's it's hard

to tell exactly where it is because the bear you know shrugs just a little bit as the arrows going

in there um it was hard to find the middle of the middle sure because your sight picture is just

full of black hair and it's low light and there's no shoulder crease there's no ribs that you can

you know see um there's no other coloration that you can kind of work off of you know like a

pronghorn analogue mean it literally gives you a spot to aim on its side whether it's like a

right hand you know a right corner of white coming up into its vitals and literally if you pull

put a bullet on that corner it's money yeah an all black bear does not have that and so you can

actually see me in the video sort of like moving my pins around going up and down I kind of come

out of my peep a couple times just because I really wanted to be sure you know and try to get it

into that middle of the middle um spot um but uh yeah we we did a little net cropsy and um hit

gone right through the lungs beautiful yeah how far did you go maybe 50 yards okay through some

thick stuff but easy blood trail even with all that fur that could be that could be tough to blood

trail bear yeah you know like any animal people are always like oh come there's no blood right

off the bat it I don't think that there is blood right off the bat not the kind of blood that

you really want to see I mean sometimes you see it when you get a muscle wound and you get some

muscle blood like spurting right off the bat but really when you go through the vitals um that stuff

just doesn't start bleeding you know you basically have to fill up that cavity for to start coming

out the edges right or or the motion to start sloshing it out of there yeah and with a bear it has

to it it mobs it up like a sponge before it actually hits the ground sure bears can be very

you know if you've gotten the lungs good or you know one of those big arteries where it's going

to cause the blood to be coming out of the face right that still takes time and animals go so far

so fast the people are like oh I didn't have blood the first 50 yards well you know what that's

not a issue for me if I don't have blood the first 50 yards um it's just like it's just not a thing

that I think about um and usually if you made the right hit and there's a bunch of blood

it's like the animals they're dead at 50 yards so yeah um yeah not a thing I'm too worried about

I was curious you weren't using illuminated knocks I was you were oh yeah excuse me

obviously I didn't watch it enough but that's good obviously that a lot of shots on those big

boars are going to be at last light yeah so much be able to see especially if you're film and look

back at it and sure see where you hit it let's see at CJJ 98 asks doesn't safety say to use a

gear harness and pulley to get your bow rifle crossbow into the stand with you yet Yannis climbed

up with it in his hand mm-hmm we have to say about that um so yes I knew this would be a thing the

first night I wore a um a saddle and I was tethered in the second two nights I did not so these

stands were without consider a low stand 10 feet maybe your butts 12 feet off the ground like

you're just not that high um you don't have to be that high right just like a little bit um

it's probably more for to be able just to see and get the right angle over foliage and stuff

more than trying to hide you know like with deer hunting we're trying to get 20 feet up all the time

because it's like part of the hide um so yeah it was a huge stand it was a two person stand it had

a the bar around it yes could it be bad if you still fall eight feet or 10 feet off of a ladder

100% um it uh just in that moment I felt very safe that I can make it that short distance

now wasn't that high off the ground that that uh I could deal with it safely you know and then

the second and the third night once I was in the stand I wasn't I wasn't strapped in again big wide

platform I was only you know my feet were like eight or 10 feet off the ground um

low enough for that seven foot bear to grab your foot if you wanted to oh yeah for sure for sure

but uh yeah so 100% kids when you're climbing up into those stands you should always use a uh

a rope to pull up your rifle or your bow um like when I'm in Wisconsin I always do that

it's probably impossible with the way I climb up into a tree probably being possible to go up with

the bow in my hand but um yeah that's the way you want to do it again it was literally like

three steps for me it just seems so short that uh I wasn't worried about it well thanks for

explaining we have another clip of the film to show and we'll explain what we're seeing here

Phil take it away

all right come out

so for those who couldn't see what was going on on the first day of your hunt we see

Craig your outfit or standing feet away from the bait drum and feet away from two bears

before he leads it to you a bunch of folks wrote in asking what the heck what's going on

why are those bears so close to the guy and not getting spooked they almost look tame

can you explain the scene yani and you can see on my instagram too there was other videos and you

can check out craigs excuse me this lacroy is really giving me some uh some gas in my chest uh

there's other videos out there where that same day we're messing around we're setting up camera

gear and whatever and behind our backs there's bears already coming to the bakes we've already

prepped the bait and and at one point I try to just sneak alongside the can am and I get within

yeah two or three feet to where I could reach out and smack him in the face if I wanted to right it's

a young bear so I was talking to Craig about that this morning and he's like he's like look

you got to look at it that here's this food source they're interested in it there's a bunch of

bears in the area those young bear it's a competition those young bears are pretty much like if I

want to get it in some of this I got to be here first sure and so I like there's certainly a

custom to the sound of the buggy coming in it's like a dinner bell probably oh 100% and so

they're there and they want to get first crack at it right and um

they're ballsy enough to where they're like yeah other things whatever can am humans

I'll take my chances because I want to get some of these calories so yes it's like it's like it's

it's again it does make it it gives it this like oh they're like they're tame well they're tame

when they're young and they're hungry and as they get older and they start to dominate

they start to not be quite so bold in during daylight hours like they've had weeks where the big

boars only show up in the dark and the clients don't get to kill a big bore because

those big boars have it figured out yeah outsmarted them somehow well there's other scenes

of bears getting really close to you I was curious once that can am leaves were

did those bears acknowledge you three they're two cameraman and yourself in the tree

yeah and that's a weird thing when you've never been there to get used to that because they're

sort of like come in and then they glance up but then they just go back to what they're doing

so they're very aware of your presence um

again I just think that it's like this bait is here they want those calories they're will

their that risk reward they're willing to do the risk for the reward again for whatever reason

the big boar is not doing that that much so they know that the threat is there and like we're

still when we're setting up on those baits we're still thinking about where are the where's the

boar going to come from what's the wind doing because the wind was set up just right for when

that boar came in that he did not smell us like it was a kind of a crosswind and so how do you

like looped the crosswind he would have smelled us but he came in on the trail and he just he

just never cut my wind it could have been a totally different thing had he you know looped around

and gotten our wind I don't know what the result would have been so that bear never knew we were

there the boar so well we have some clips showing just how close some of these bears got to you

oh such good climbers looks like he's kind of taken his time to is that right underneath you

yeah he's kind of coming up the side where there's no ladder those were maxes feet you could see

and I'm on the other side of the tree oh another bear coming from the field

yeah this one you can see it's that's a cub that's that was head come in with that with the

south which you can see underneath Eli there a big cinnamon bear is a South and she had a

black cub and a blonde cub and I'm not worried at all about that little cub like that dude you know

you can pop him in the nose and you're and you're probably going to turn him the other direction

but if that South thinks that there's danger in that tree because you just popped her you know

cub that's the problem is that like you piss off that South because that South is not that much

smaller than than the boar that I ended up killing she's a tank yeah beautiful color yeah so yeah

we didn't have anything like that happen in archery it just happened to be that when that South

sent those cubs up the tree that that one shows that one that Eli was in okay that's what was

happened they were retreating from that boar coming yes exactly and that happened a lot like

every single night there'd be a sound there with cubs they're doing their thing and then a lot

times even before we saw the other bear the South would make some grunt some noise some movement

and those cubs would just be you know 30 feet up a tree in a heartbeat because the boar is coming

in so and what would mom do she'd hang out kind of at the base of the tree if she had to she

sort of charge at those other bears and run them off but uh yeah I think she was out of all the

bears we saw in three days she would have done that to every single bear except the one that I

killed oh really yeah though if though if she would have charged him it would there would have been

a little battle royale on our hands yeah those look like yearling cubs though those were definitely

not yearling those were probably second year cubs okay pretty to get kicked then there's the

second night the you'll see it there's a lot of clips on it on the episode but the second night

those are probably more like yearling cubs like one year old not like born that year in the

in the den but one year old I think those were probably two year old getting ready because those

were like decent size I mean when that one's next to Eli doesn't look that much smaller than Eli

no oh interesting you know so coming on 200 pound bear you know I doubt that's a yearling

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another question from at relaxing drives 6075 I've never hunted bears before but I'm confused

about how you all get away with moving and talking so much and not spooking the bears can you

please comment on this I understand that bears see very well but they get face to face with the

cubs in the tree and seem to be unbothered are they aware you are there and just don't fear you

100% 100% they just haven't I think they do fear yet but again it's that risk reward for that bait

and again we're not there doing jumping jacks and hooting and hollering like we're doing some

talking it's very quiet um I think that if you climb down out of the tree you're going to run

the bears out of there right if you start yelling and talking in a normal voice you're going to

probably run the bears out of there I don't know we didn't we didn't test that because I think that

the whole goal is that you're trying to like minimize your presence so that the boar who is sketched

out about the situation so that you can fool him into coming in well it's seeing you move is one

thing but do you think you you must have had pretty decent wind when they were all hanging around

there did they not really mind that as much it just it depended but yeah we net like those

your stands never set up up wind of that bait sure it's right it's all the time yeah and it but

well that would be the wrong version so it's set up in a way so that most of the predominant

winds of the area are going to be not be blowing right at the bait you know um so yeah I think

if they were again because they don't see that great this fellow seems to think that they do

or this person but bears right you're opinion I've never yeah not the best vision you can't fool

their nose but yeah they're they're a little no question what they see till they smell it or even

hear it yeah they'll look at you for a while but if they smell you you may not ever get a chance to

see him yeah it's over normally let's see here's another question what signs do you look for to

tell a bore from a cell on camera um definitely this is stock year front end especially those with

those younger bears I don't know if it's impossible but I don't think I could tell but as those

bears get older um the boars have just a more shoulders on them and then they'll they almost start

to walk and you can definitely see it with the bear that I shoot when he comes in there's like a

little bit of a swagger his front toes are pointed inward almost a little bit um and just the body

shape the south seems to be rounder I guess if that makes sense more pear shaped yeah definitely

rounder in the butt yeah rounder in the butt yeah um other than that

it's it's basically the cub thing mm-hmm it's not easy no nice when you get some time to look at him

oh yeah but in spot and stock especially around here out west it's hard to to get enough time

first of all to be able to tell the difference uh but yeah make sure cubs is the biggest giveaway

like you said but that boar was obvious like you said coming in hot swaggering own and joint

let's see moving on we want to flash another clip from the film which shows just how smart

black bears are

yeah so this one we hung that basically like you'd hang some food in the back country in

bear country looped it over a limb had it hanging down um and then had tied it off there on that

tree that uh where we had that moldy camera this bear never even looks at the barrel he goes straight

to the not so easy to get beaver carcass and never gives up he climbs every tree in the vicinity

multiple times he eventually realizes that the yellow rope is attached to the beaver and after

enough manipulation he gets what he wants oh there's something about that beaver meat that a

barrel full of use all right our video playing services haven't some issues but that was

basically the end of the clip yeah yeah we got it um just trial that that's a very uh abridged

version that bear yeah I think that bear knew that we had put that I don't I don't want to say

that he knew that we put that beaver carcass there but I think that he knew that somehow we were

associated with it the same way that he kind of knew that yellow rope was associated with it because

he came over because you got the whole thing happens there in a span of a minute or two but that

actually lasted closer to an hour and that bear came and climbed our tree multiple times and he

definitely had a little bit of a huff and a puff and an attitude to him about it when he was coming

up that tree as a kind of you know and again it's a little bit of anthropomorphization here but

you're thinking that the bear is like hey you guys have something to do with that thing

like I need to come up here and maybe if I do something with you guys that'll make the you know

the beaver carcass fall out of the tree I don't know but like I said he went up every single tree

and just messed around messed around messed around until finally you know he gets a hold of that

rope and then he sees that when he's holding on to the rope the carcass is moving and he just kept

messing with that rope until the carcass fell down. Clay in his new book he dives into I haven't read

this part but Clay told me all about it about how black bears are like it's proven it's study that they

are the most curious animals and like like they're they're able to do more problem solving than

any other wild animal on our continent right so this is a like a prime example of that bear being

like oh I want that I'm gonna figure out how to get it as opposed to just being like oh it's

out of reach I'll go and eat the stuff out of the barrel does the trip and again that was

worth the price of admission was just go there and watch that bear problem solve that and was

that bear able to devour that whole beaver did somebody else come and uh he ran off with it

eventually and then other bears would you know go into the woods where he was and you'd hear

some growling and some you know I couldn't see what was going on but again like they love that

meat and I'm sure someone else got a little little bits and pieces of it smart little bugger

he's and it got interesting coat too he's kind of trying to become a either cinnamon or blonde

well yeah that or he's rubbed out hard to say yeah I could have rubbed that that outer coat off

let's see where are we at here we talked about how they love the beaver meat over the sugar

and the baits you know uh you did eventually get a chance at the target bore and made a pass

through shot your reflections on site picture and taking the shot were interesting since you've never

been that close up close and personal with a bear sure and we kind of covered that it's just like

it's a big black target and your site picture had he been at 30 yards it'd be easier to pick the

middle of the middle because you can just your site picture you can see the entire bear but when

he's at 12 yards as I think how far the shot was like you can't see the top when you're looking

through your peep you can't see the top of the bear or the bottom of the bear you can just see black

and so it was just a little bit of a challenge to find the middle of the middle yeah we got a clip

here a few what do you think about that looks good man looks like good blood I'd say

there's some bubbles in there oh yeah all on here it was tough because you know it's getting a

little bit dark and you're so close to him yeah that like your whole site picture is just black

bear right and so I came off him like three different times going okay there's his leg okay there's

his you know bottom of the bear there's top of the bear yeah okay there's the middle yeah and there's

the middle of the middle um let's move on to the next one Corey yeah YouTube question from

at regular guy dash j4l asks honest question if the bear was wounded did you have a backup weapon

and can you even have one in Manitoba um a pistol is what he's referring to yeah I don't know the

answers far as can you have one in Manitoba um I don't think I could have traveled up there with a

pistol I'm not sure I didn't look into it I did ask that of Craig when we were tracking the bear

like when this be something that you normally do and he normally does have I believe a shotgun

it's I can't remember if it was that or or lever action some some kind of a small handy maneuverable

weapon that you can pump off some rounds if needed you know um and he usually does pack that

but he had forgotten it he did feel confident with my report on you know that we had thought we made

a good shot we heard the death moan we heard him crash not far away like he felt like we're

gonna walk in there and find it but normally he said when he is tracking he he does have a a weapon

but I was I was not carrying one how long did you guys wait after your shot um I mean we

really only waited because well one you're making a television piece of television so you know

the camera guy's got to wrap their stuff up and you know we're trying to shoot stuff and make

sure we got it all covered and then I forget how far away Craig was but it took him I don't know

20 or 30 minutes to get there maybe and so um yeah not that long yeah 30 minutes all that helps

to be patient let him expire just make sure yeah for sure for sure okay we want to show the

bore you got fill wow yeah he's a tank look at that he's a beast look at that animal that's a mature

bore right there it's the one we're looking for you got him wow look at that paws

that's a big bear

oh yeah look at the head on him

that suckers thick

he's awesome thanks buddy thanks Craig yes sir

I love that bloody handshake what a giant giant beast yeah people ask is that was my biggest one

well that's my only bear it's not true I killed one the Mingus treat in our backyard once that was

I don't know 75 pound bear um he was eating our chickens and I called the warden he's like look you

can kill him or I'm gonna have to come and kill him if you kill him you can put the meat in your

freezer so I chose that route um so this is the first one that I I went on a hunt and and got

yeah I'm stoked it's a big bear yeah I mean he's got a we think we I texted Craig if you

remember what we green scored him uh 19 and change is what he thought on this on the skull

which I think 20 inches is like minute boon and crag at minimum 21 is all time and we he thinks

he squared around seven and a half feet um so yeah big old big old giant bear I mean I'm stoked on

it it's bears are kind of nice it's kind of like a turkey in a way where any mature bear just like

any mature Tom you know Tom has become a little mature sooner than a bear but they're all nice

because they're all like big and fat and got a big skull on them and like I don't care if it's

an 18 inch skull or 21 inch skull is it I don't think that's ever gonna be a thing for me

or if the height is six feet versus seven and a half feet um like I was just happy with the

experience now that I have a skull and a hide at home I'm like I'm probably not gonna go try to

kill another bear to have another skull and more hides we just don't have things to do with them

these days like my hide is basically laying on the in the middle of our living room which is fun

Mingus has been taking a lot of naps on it oh good I'll lay down on it a little bit I have a

dream or a vision where once I move my foot my wood stove to a place where you can actually

right now it's like in the entry area which I understand why the guy did it but I would prefer if it

was like in a corner of the house where you can sit in a comfortable chair in front of it

walks the fire I'd like to have that hide laid out in front of it there where I could have my

hound dog sleeping on it I could kick my feet up on the hound dog it's on my the bear hide

you know I'm not gonna try to preserve this hide by any means like I'm gonna use it I'd like to

use it as little literally as a rug of some sort on the ground I'm not gonna just hang it up on

the wall just to be just to be able to look at it um that being said I don't need more hides I don't

need more skulls what I do need more of is bear me oh amen the more I eat it the more I like it

and it's just such a nice change of pace from all of the super lean venison you know whether it's

elk deer pronghorn moves whatever all that stuff just gets to just kind of be the same after a while

and it's nice to have some meat it's got some fat in it so I'm 100% gonna keep hunting bears

but primarily for the meat yeah it's a good change up and here in Montana and a lot of places

seasonally you can add to your freezer in the spring people feel obligated I think to do stuff with

hides and skulls um especially with bears I mean in some places you have to pack it out um but uh

honestly it's uh for me it's not that's not what I'm into bear hunting for I want the meat and

and the fat like we're almost out of all of the I know someone asked um well we can just go to

the next question well yeah let's let's bring this one up at max straight six two three five

asks what are your thoughts on scoring bears I think we've established that is there a better way to

identify trophy status or does it even matter skull size is very difficult to assess even some

pumpkin heads don't score as well as you'd expect as much of the appearances can be soft tissue

I'm guessing yours went around 20 inches a great example of what our province has to offer

must be a local man of Tobin mm-hmm but yeah good point I mean if you mentioned that skull was

under 20 I harvested a bear last spring that sounds like we need to clarify this might have a little

bit bigger of a skull but he did not go as long or as squared as your bear so he'd had a big wide

skull which probably helped that score uh growing up we just worried about net length like you

were always looking for a seven foot bear which is pretty rare to find in Montana I'd know of a few

but they're hard to find that's an old bear it doesn't always mean it's an old bear either just the

big long bear so you know good genes on the hoof or on the paws they say scoring a bear in the field

as far as boon and crock and popin young is very difficult you'll know if he's got a big old

noggin on him but most people that I know look for the length knows to tail as far as what establishes

a big bear and the size of a bear whether you could brag about to your friends or whatever

yeah yeah I'm gonna continue to try to kill bears and just kill ones that aren't the size

of a black lab uh someone asked or maybe this was just quarry asking how much the bear weighed and

how much rendered fat did I get off him the bear was 388 pounds because I had to travel with all

of it back from Manitoba to Montana and you know airplanes and all that um I got surprisingly more

meat and fat back than I thought I would um I filled up I don't know three yetty soft sides

and I still had I felt like the majority of a bear left because I had you know hide and skull

and so we had enough time because we killed on day three and didn't leave until day six or seven

that we processed well rough process basically just got to meet into ziplocs and we were able to

freeze most of it and so I actually then just put it into big heavy duty garbage bags and just

literally filled a duffle bag I think up to a hundred pounds and we just paid the extra

fee on shipping that back so I had an amazing amount of meat and fat coming home with me plus hide and

skull um but in the end when I rendered that fat down I ended up with about two gallons um I think

I probably could have gotten at least another gallon maybe two I mean we weren't being like super

picky about it when we were breaking it down again because I knew I just had limited space to get

it home but yeah there's two gallons super stoked on it I've been giving away too much of it

and I'm only I'm down to like two pints now and uh some sort of starting to savor it a little bit

but uh I like sharing it because people are like no way really bear oil I'm like yeah check it out

and they're like man it's just so pure you would never know you know that you're eating bear oil

two gallons is an insane amount compared to some of the bears that I've I've taken the fat off

here in Montana have you talked to Clay about the two gallon mark is that is that a lot for down south

two man I just think a lot of it like that bear you know I'm wearing three eighty eight

Craig the outfiter felt like had we killed that bear in the fall he could have easily been four eighty

eight if not five fifty right because they're just and that's pretty much all fat you know I'm

sure he's gaining some muscle too but they're just putting on fat so I think a lot of it just depends

on what status state you catching him I know a guy that killed a giant bear like a solid six

and a half footer here in Montana and he killed it on the last day of rifle season which is late

November and um man he said that they actually spent more time packing fat than meat wow like there

was like in just like wait wait wise there was more weight in the fat than there was in the meat

I forget he hit that was like six six gallons I think that he got like I almost didn't believe him

when he started describing sort of how the he said that the fat just sort of there was a layer

they just went all the way right down to his paws and then it sort of stopped right where his

paw was but from here just jutted out and you could just like jiggle the fat all the way up his arms

and just all just covering his entire body so I just depends on you know what he's been eating

and what time of year it is because that that's you know right before he goes to hibernate that's

when that bear is going to have the most fat on him well let's see uh we know what you're

doing with the hide um Mingus is sleeping on it right now so last question which a ton of folks

asked do you plan on doing this hunt again 100% no doubt like I said with any hunt I say it's a lot

of times to Steve going to Mexico for a coos deer I like going the first year to a new ranch

because you get to experience a completely new ranch you have you don't know anything about it

it's just a hundred percent mystery adventure it's great you spend a week there the next year I'm

excited to go back because I have some relationship with that landscape I'm like okay don't

need to go to that high point that one wasn't good when you just spend time here here and here

because those were the best glassing knobs right that's where the action was and sort of that

gets me excited and then the third year you kind of have it I don't want to say dial but you got a

pretty good idea of what the program is and by the fourth year I'm like man let's go to start this

process over again because I just don't want to keep doing the same thing over I think when you look

at it with a beta black bear hunt it's the same thing sure I went there and experienced it but it

was only three days yeah I was successful like I want to still there's more there that I did not

get to experience yet right and again I think the next time a giant bore comes in I will recognize

that giant bore probably sooner and my heart rate might actually be spiking more than it did on

this trip the one thing I would like to do that I think would be fun is that instead of being

up in the tree is doing it down on the ground and just being even that much more intimate with the

bears and just being at eye level with them and just seeing how that plays out just again for

something different you know maybe tie a beaver carcass around your neck that I'm not going to do

no no not going to do that I'm not going to I'm not going to put any caster scent on my boots nothing

like that but yeah I think build like a little ground blind and just set setting up downwind

I think that that'd be the way to do it because as close as you are 10 feet up in a tree 10 yards

away if you were on the ground at seven yards it'd be that much closer it'd be cool so I'll see

yeah we're we've actually booked some spots with crag for 20 come here it was 27 or 28 so

yeah not a hunt I need to do every single year but if you're like hey let's go up there and

hunt a baited bear kill a baited bear come home with some meat I'm 100% in for every other year

what about you you've never done a baited black bear hunt I imagine no I haven't never had the

opportunity we neighbor a state that allows baited bear hunting and Idaho not every unit but some

units I would totally try it I'd love to get that close and see that many bears yeah what's

interesting about the baiting is a lot of states regulated much differently because of course

as soon as I came back from Manitoba my call my friends and Wisconsin saying hey if you tried

beaver me because that's the thing right and in Wisconsin you can't use any kind of meat product

oh really not yeah restrictions yeah you can't use any kind of a metal like fabricated can either

the bait has to basically be in a most people we use a hollow stump or a log and put it in there

so yeah it's uh they they restrict it a little bit

so if you're gonna go do it you know make sure you know your states regulations for sure

but yeah I 100% want to go back man it was a great time the McCarthy's were great people

so awesome camaraderie awesome time and camp and uh yeah just a fun hunt

okay yeah baiting bears don't knock it till you try it no I'd like to share it with more people I

think that's Craig mentioned this too it's like a great animal for people to get their uh like

first bow kill right there's just a lot of opportunities you know maybe your goal isn't a giant one

maybe your goal you go up there and you're just like oh I just want to kill an animal with my

bow well the shots are nice and close lots of opportunities there you go great meat another

good reason to you know to do a beta black bear hunt well any other topics you want to discuss

no wish I would have brought my skull ends we could have met we you could have measured it for me

told me if I had a boon or not but well maybe we'll have to make a little video we can do that next time

but yeah thank you guys all for tuning in and uh remember in about a month or so we'll have I think

one of Clay's episodes will come out or it will be one of Clay's films excuse me Clay one of

Clay's films will come out and you'll be able to punch in your comments on YouTube and Instagram

and he will do roughly the same thing but maybe he'll have bear or Brent uh ask the questions

instead of quarry because they'll probably do it down in Arkansas so thanks again for watching

and uh yeah tune in next month for another edition of Meet Eaters 12 and 26

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