Ep. #889: Brooks Agnew – Earth Theories & Space Exploration

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I am Jeremy Scott. Welcome to the program friends.

Just want to say last night we intended to do the program live and occasionally things should

happen. There was certainly a very good excuse in this case. Our guest is in a war zone and it was

unable to join us literally coming under a barrage of fire. I have confirmed that they

indeed are okay and we are going to reschedule that program. I have suggested that we do things

so when things calm down a bit. Unfortunately we couldn't be live last night but that is the nature

of the beast. It happens from time to time. Unfortunately.

Quick update on Artemis 2 technicians at NASA have apparently repaired the latest problem with

helium flow to the rocket's upper stage. They have done so in the vehicle assembly building after

moving it off of the launch pad. They have got some final repairs and checks of course to complete

and then it will be rolled back out onto the launch pad at some point later this month.

As a feet and of itself takes about 12 hours it goes so slow and then they hope all goes well

out in the launch pad so that they can proceed. They would probably have to pass another

dress rehearsal which they had done but then a problem was found afterwards.

And so preparations continue. They're not looking at a launch before April.

So we'll talk more about the space program next hour by the way.

But I want to entertain a couple of interesting theories that might be considered fringe makes them

right within the realm of what we discuss between the paranormal and the abnormal.

There's a long history of the theory of a hollow earth along with attempts to either prove

or disprove it. It was in the late 1600s astronomer Edmund Haley or Haley it might be

proposed that earth might contain several concentric inner spheres separated by empty spaces.

The concept gained wider attention in the early 1800s when American military officer

John Cleaves Sims Jr. argued that the planet had larger openings at the north and south poles

that led to a habitable interior world.

And all of the idea captured the public's imagination scientists eventually rejected

the hollow earth theory as saying unsupported by evidence. How much though has been unsupported

by evidence and rejected throughout our history. Later we have come to learn

how off that might have been one way or the other. Parallel to this theory, although not as widespread

as a scientific study released in 2016 suggesting that earth may be the result of two planets

merging early in the solar system's history. Researchers analyzed oxygen isotopes in rocks from

earth and the moon found them to be nearly identical. The evidence supports the idea that about

4.5 billion years ago a young earth collided head on with another Mars-sized protoplanet known as

Thea. The violent impact mixed material from both worlds and ejected debris that later formed

the moon. Because the two bodies blended so thoroughly during the collision scientists suggest

that modern earth is essentially a fusion of two planetary bodies. While the moon also contains

material from both. And then there's a flat earth but we're not even going to go there that is a

whole show in and of itself. Tonight to discuss this I want to welcome to the program, uh,

Brooks Agnew. Welcome to the program, Brooks. How are you?

Oh, I'm great. Good to be here. Absolutely. This is the one and only time where I haven't had the

guests bio readily available. And we're live on the air. I don't know how that happened.

So tell the audience about yourself, please.

Uh, well, I got my degree in chemistry from a Tennessee technological university

daughters and went on to get a PhD in physics. And I worked basically solving problems for the

fortune 100 and started writing books in 2004 with my co-author. We wrote a series of books called

The Ark of Millions of Years for volumes. These were nonfiction books about all the ancient

civilizations. We've studied 44 of them. And one of the things that I found very common with

all of them is they had a significant portion of their uh, growth national product show. We say

it was dedicated to not only understanding but expressing the relationship between humans and

planet earth. And almost to a civilization, they believe that there is a life force

inside the earth from which man sprung. And I found it so fascinating that I uh,

somebody handed me a book on on Hall of Earth theory. And I read it and kind of laughed at it

because I'm I'm a pure scientist that go by facts and validation and experimentation.

And I put it on the shelf and didn't think about it again until about uh, 2006. And in 2006,

interesting thing happened. We uh, did several space uh, missions, space programs that were

dedicated to determining the source for the auroras around the earth because

we had launched a satellite on this way to Saturn and it turned around and looked at Earth and we saw

auroras over both poles at the same time. Well that was not what we understood. What we

understood was that the solar wind is what causes the auroras and it only occurs on the side that's

toward the sun at the time, winter or summer. So they put together my friends on a GPL put together

a very rapid launch program called the Phymus program which was five satellites put into one

nose cone. They launched it out into space. The five satellites distributed themselves in

lower earth orbit and turned on. And there was one appeared to be at this is what they reported,

a cosmic bullet that that suddenly burst into our dimension and expanded in all directions.

And when it reached the ionosphere, low and behold, there was the auroras. So they published

their report that the auroras are caused by cosmic bullets. So that was the end of the Phymus

program that took two of the satellites and moved them to the moon where they are right now.

But I thought to myself, wait a minute, that doesn't make a science. You don't, you know,

make a scientific conclusion based on one result. And so I thought maybe they were covering

something up. So I started digging further into it and the more data that I collected,

oceanographic data, seismological data, space data, it started to

and wait to the hypothesis that planets don't form as solid balls. They form as all those fears.

And so that's what got me on the trail. And I started to look for maybe an expedition that

was going to go up to the Arctic and see if it was, if it was an opening or not. And I found one.

So I joined one of these. Oh, an opportunity to join an expedition, not an actual opening.

Yeah, an opportunity to join an expedition to go searching for an actual opening.

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I'm Jeremy Scott with Brooks Agnew tonight. We're talking about the Hollow Earth Theory. Again,

you were wanting to go see if there was any evidence for yourself, Brooks.

Yeah, so I joined the expedition and a couple months later, the expedition leader Stephen Curry

died. He just passed away and brain cancer, rapid onset brain cancer, and he died. So I thought,

okay, well, that's the end of that. Well, about a month later, the board called me and said,

listen, you're a big project manager. You run a lot of things. You should work for the fortune

100. Why not you? Why don't you lead the expedition? So I thought, this is really going to be a

challenge. So I put together the first adventure in 2008. We were going to lease a Russian nuclear

powered icebreaker. We were going to take a specific path around the Arctic Circle for 10 days

and see if we could find anything, any anomaly that had any relationship to an opening or a

sea floor crack or something like that, because it'd never been looked at before. It'd never

been sailed before. And of course, the economy had something else in mind in 2008, it crashed the

whole world. So we didn't do it in 2008. We sent our sites on 2010. And it seemed like every time

we got where we were ready to do a dry run or put together the team, some global thing would

happen to stop us. The closest we got was in 2019. We had put together the money. We had

bought our plane tickets, train tickets, made our arrangements to meet with the amongst shipping

company in amongst Russia. Everything was set up and they shut the whole world down

because of COVID. So we lost all of our money. We lost our plane tickets and train tickets and

hotels and everything. We never get any refunds. So that was about $25,000 and it not well.

We'll have to do it again. But then the Russian sanctions set in. And we have not been able to buy

Russian dressing since then, let alone rent a Russian nuclear powered icebreaker. So the

project is kind of set on hold all this time. We have a great team. We have a great mission. We have

six universities that have ready to contribute a PhD level science teams to come with us to

examine salinity, crystallinity, magnetometry. We are going to build special equipment to get samples

off the seafloor to see if we can find, you know, strange artifacts that don't exist anywhere on

the planet. Just see if we can find this opening now. It's in water that's 14,500 feet deep. So

there's not going to be a hole that, you know, reaches the surface of the water. But there might be

a hole in the crust and these two oceans might be blending. We have a lot of oceanographic and

seismological data that backs this up. That's how we that's how we stayed interested in the project.

Pure science. Again, 14,500 feet deep into the ocean is the opening to this hollow worth.

Yeah, if there is one, that's where it's going to be. It's going to be on the bottom of the

Arctic ocean, which is very, very deep. No one has ever sailed these waters before. This is the

only ship on the planet that can sail these waters are going to be under even in the summertime.

It's going to be under about three feet of ice, which this boat is capable of breaking through.

And it would go down. It would be safe for it to descend or you would send equipment down to

those depths. Well, we we developed two pieces of equipment. One is what I call the dart.

We basically throw it over the side and it goes down to the bottom through the water just by using

its own weight. It sinks a pipe into the into the soil at the bottom of the sea and takes a sample

and then closes the end off. Then it inflates the nitrogen bag and comes back to the surface.

It takes about three hours around trip. Once we gather it, we pull the core sample out of this

and then analyze it. It's never been analyzed before. No one's ever looked at this before.

And we expect that if there's an opening and the two oceans are blending that they're

that they're going to be different life forms that have fossilized or are in skeleton form,

diatoms and other things like this, maybe even more complex life forms that are sitting on the

bottom of the Arctic Ocean. So if we can get those samples and we can prove that those exist,

that's a that's a huge discovery. The other thing is a submersible. Right now it's only

capable of going to 5,500 feet. So we have to beef it up a lot and increase the length of the cable

to be able to go to 5,500 meters. That's that's a big difference in pressure.

But it has a line on it in articulating arm and the company that builds it assures us that they

can make it go to that depth. If we can get enough cable to make that depth and and beef it up a

little bit to take the pressure. Right. Because you wouldn't be descending to those depths as

it would all be done from above the surface, right? I would think so. There are craft that can go

that deep, but we're not going to take them aboard the mumsks to make this this trip. I don't think

I don't think there's any way to get a submersible to that location and get it into the water at

that location. There's no there's no ship on. I mean, look at what happened to the tighten

submersible. You know, it imploded. Oh, well, yeah, that was made of plastic though. We have

there are submersibles that can go deeper than that. No problem, but they would carry one or two

people and they have lights and motors and they're they're free floating. They can

motivate themselves under the water. The submersible that we have in mind is a is a cable unit.

Does this require the cooperation of the Russian government in any way?

Yes, it does. That's why we're using the Russian shipping company because they have free access

to this area. And so that is currently held up because of you said the sanctions?

Yes, but we believe just this week that those sanctions are actually lifting,

so we are going to reopen our talks because we're scientists and we're all about the data.

We want to go collected and hey, we might just see whales and ice, but at least we'll know.

So what would be the plan? Where would you park it and what would you hope to find?

We have a 10,000 square mile area. That's about 100 miles by 100 miles.

That we believe that this opening is based on maritime records, historians,

all the magnetic anomalies that we can assemble. My ancestor, Sir James Ross in 1831,

was the discoverer of the North magnetic pole. So that has since, of course, shifted a lot

since then, but the original location we know where it is. And it is under this

ice cap in the Arctic Ocean, somewhere in that 100 mile by 100 mile location.

And we can, we believe we can survey this area in about 10 to 15 days.

How many people know about it?

Well, a lot of people know about it, but you know, we're the only ones actually doing

anything about it. This is about a four and a half million dollar project. It's not something

everybody can do. But is there widespread belief that this area you're talking about?

There's something there. Well, scientists don't use the word belief. We like to narrow things

down with data as much as we can. And we use a seismological data, one of the things that we do

on a regular basis in seismology is every time there's a big earthquake,

we kind of do a CAT scan of the earth. We use the various accelerometers around the planet to

map the inside of the planet with those vibrations as they come through the crust.

And what we have found is that there is a significant thinning of the crust in this area.

And we cannot see beyond about 600 miles. In other words, from the bottom of the sea,

600 miles into the planet, the signal disappears. Interesting.

Is the inside of the earth hollow? I'm Jeremy Scott. We're talking with Brooks Agnew tonight,

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He's been in numerous scientific documentaries, also holds patents and the host of X-squared radio.

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For thousands of years, the concept of a hollow Earth has existed throughout human history.

The hollow Earth conspiracy theory is that the Earth is hollow.

We can tell you more about the surface of the moon than we can the surface underneath our own oceans.

There's another theory about the existence of an inner Earth with an advanced civilization.

According to our earliest mythologies and other Earth might not be found in the heavens,

but deep within our own planet, inner world, and it's inhabited too by people in the day

are in advanced race, even that they have trains and vehicles that are moving through this inner Earth.

The truth is far stranger that we'd like to believe. You're headed somewhere between the Parabnormal

and the Abnormal. Is the inside of the Earth hollow 503-389-3131 that's 503-389-3131. We're

talking with Brooks Agnew tonight. So you were talking about this thinning of the crust and what

this is at the bottom of the ocean and then 600 feet up. It disappears. Is that what I'm

understanding? No, no. The crust is between 600 and 900 miles thick. This is the crust of the

Earth, the solid part of the crust of the Earth. And then there appears to be a gap of up to 1200

miles. And then we reach the core of the Earth, which is according to all the data we've been

able to collect, and it's been validated, repeatable and reliable. Two different labs, a solid iron

crystal at about 6,000 degrees C. Okay. And so what does that mean? What's what's what is? Well,

it means to be going on. We know how much we have always supposed to the Earth weighed a certain

amount based on about one gram per cubic centimeter. But we were wrong about those assumptions. The

core of the Earth is somewhere around 14 to 15 grams per cubic centimeters. Very dense and very hot.

And it is rotating much faster than the crust. The crust has slowed down over the millions of

years that the Earth has been expanding to conserve momentum. And so the crust has its own

gravitational center along outside of the core. So you have two gravitational

metal bodies that are counter-rotating against one another. And it generates a very powerful

magnetic field, which we know is our magnetosphere. So all of this fits together, all the data

checks and cross checks and the distance from the Sun to the Earth matches perfectly. And this

data does not lie. It does not lie. Now, so the hypothesis that Earth might be hollow

is gathering more and more data as every year goes on. And if we can gather this data from the

Arctic Circle, that there is an opening at the Arctic region where two oceans and inter ocean

and outer ocean are blending, we will prove something that only people have guessed that for thousands

of years. So is there suppression of this going on? Is there a suppression?

No, I don't think so. I mean, a lot of people go way beyond where I'm going. There are whole

mythologies that are surround a hollow Earth. But there isn't anybody that's pulling all the

science together into one place. I have the largest repository of hollow Earth data in the world.

What kind of data are you talking about, Brooks? Well, of course, I shared some of this

space-based data with you. But let's talk a little bit about the oceanographic data. In 2008,

there was a warming anomaly in the Arctic. And a huge piece of Arctic ice broke off,

opened up the Northwest pastures for the first time in maybe 20,000 years. The following summer,

happened to be the year that scripts was going to take its

ray survey, like a man-to-rays and stingrays. They go to Malaysia and they

sample the ocean just to look at different kinds of rays because they're kind of like

three frogs are in the rainforest. They're very sensitive to pollution and

temperature changes in the water and they mutate very easily. And normally, what they find is

about one to 200 mutations in rays every time they do this survey. Except in 2009, in 2009,

they found over 1,500. And there were many new species that we've never seen before. And there

were species that were having dead for a million years or more, perfectly alive swimming around

in the water. We believe that what happened is the two oceans blend at this area in the Arctic.

And for the first time in, I don't know, maybe recorded history, wildlife, sea life in the inside

of the planet was able to swim through to the opening, get caught in the Gulf Street and make

its way to the ocean's off the coast of Malaysia and get snagged in these nets. It's never

happened before. It's never happened since. And they have no idea where these creatures came from.

And they came in large numbers. So this is an oceanographic data point that

lends itself to support all our theory.

But is NOAA, you know, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration? Are they in

possession of this data? Do they know about it?

I would say yes, but here's the deal. Since 2006, funny enough, there's been a

law in place called the Data Denial Act and NOAA and also a human sat, which is the European

version of NOAA. Put this act in place to stop real-time imagery of the Earth from satellites

above the 60th parallel. Everything you see on Google Earth, everything you see that's supposed

satellite image of the Arctic is either before 2006 where it's animated. There are no publicly

available pictures of the poles. So I think they know, but they're not sharing the data.

Okay. So may not be suppressing it, but may not be definitely not forthcoming.

Yeah, well, the reason is that with the invention of weapons that use video to navigate

that this information is data feeds could be used to feed things like low altitude cruise missiles

so they don't make it publicly available. Everything above the 60th parallel.

All right. So about this opening, do we know about how wide it is, like what might be able to

cross into an opening, enter a space of that kind? No, we really don't. I mean, there have been

the course suppositions, but no one's ever measured it. No one's ever sailed this area.

There are maritime records going back to the 15, 16 hundreds.

In those days, ships used to sail parallel to one another from one coast to another,

but they wouldn't sail right next to each other because they could collide in the fog.

They would sail about four or five miles apart. And what they used were crow's nests so they

could keep tabs on the boats so they could all kind of sail in the same direction without colliding.

But there are maritime records where the boats, some boats just disappeared.

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Brooks Agnew is our guest tonight on into the pair of normal I'm Jeremy Scott. The program

that is somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. All right, Brooks. So

ships just a disappearing out there in the the Arctic Ocean, kind of like it sounds like a

Bermuda's triangle kind of sitting. Sort of sort of what happened was the maritime record would report

that these wooden ships would disappear for sometimes an hour at a time and then all of a sudden

they would rise back up again and come back into view. And it became known as oceanic depressions.

Places where the ocean were sea levels, not sea level. It dips down low enough that a

ship can actually sail down into it and lose line of sight with the ship sailing right next to it

four or five miles away. And so I went and interviewed an admiral in the Navy, the modern Navy,

and I asked him about it. It said, what do you think would cause this? And he said, we've heard of

this before and what we think it is our areas of the planet where the gravity is much higher than it

is elsewhere in the ocean kind of pulls down a lower toward the center of the earth that it does

around it. I said, well, that's interesting because I have kind of an opposite idea that maybe

the gravity is lower in that area. And the gravity around it is pulling the water away, kind of like

the waters of Moses of the Red Sea. And he said, you know, we haven't we haven't really thought

about that, but it makes sense that water would pull away from these areas of low gravity, which

means areas where the crust is very thin. It does not have as much gravity against the ocean as

other areas. So we intend to map these low places in the Arctic. We should be able to find them

with a very simple theodalite. But this would be a dangerous expedition. It does sound like

somewhat. Oh, it's definitely not a pleasure cruise. These are the roughest seas on planet Earth.

And if you have seasickness at all, even though this boat's 450 feet long, it's going to be tossed

around in this area. So as far as the idea itself, the hollow earth, how did that originate and

and was it taken seriously at first? I mean, is it taken seriously today?

Well, that's a really good question because the ancients really believed in it and had no problem

with it. They often talked about the underworld and the cocoa voo and many writings from the

600, 800 BC talked regularly about a hollow earth. It actually started to make its way into science

with Ed Ninhali who mentioned that in the beginning of the program, he was a very good

friend with Sir Isaac Newton and Newton had put to come up with his thin shell and thick shell

physics, his math, which made sense at the time. Everybody thought these two were the best

scientists on the planet. So they pretty much published that Earth was hollow. And I think he

was later, like after Admiral Bird that people started to get very skeptical about it because

Admiral Bird had, he had put together an adventure where he was going to fly over the North Pole,

took his plane apart, put it on the chantilly, which he leased, took it up to Spitzberg and

somehow got it under the beach with no dock. They just made a floating dock and they're lucky to

have gotten it on shore. Rebuild the plane, filled it up, took it off in the snow, and flew up there

and flew back, but didn't bring any pictures. And the data shows that he probably didn't make it

because he returned in record time, did not have enough time at that speed with that aircraft

to fly to that location and back. And it was later repeated and the person that flew over

the North Pole took much longer to do it. So the whole story that Admiral Bird tried to

try to sell the world was discredited. And later there was a plagiarized diary that came out,

that also claimed that there was a hollow worth that they flew into it, that they met giant

beings and all that and all that was fake. So there's been a lot to discredit the idea

and to tell you the honest truth, we've tried to stay purely on the science so that would not happen

to us. We're simply going to try to explore the sea floor, someplace knowns ever been before,

and we're going to see things knowns ever seen before.

But there are some wild, I guess, beliefs within this theory that there could be oceans or

ecosystems, which may not be so wild, but advanced civilizations is really where it gets out there.

Well, yes, it does. And when you think about it, you know, you have an ocean. I mean,

it's not frozen. It's not boiling. You have an inner star, so to speak, that is a white hot

iron ball that is, yes, it's 6,000 degrees C, but it's 1200 miles away

through an atmosphere, not a vacuum through an atmosphere. So it's quite possible that there's a

habitable, uh, eco sphere inside the planet. Now it may not be like we know on the surface.

It may have an average temperature of 120 degrees, but certainly plants and animals can

survive at that temperature. It is quite possible that there's microbial life. It is

probable that there's more complex life. And there's the possibility that there is even intelligent life.

So, is the thought that maybe someday we could, uh, I don't know, reside within this hollow earth?

And it would take some engineering. You'd first have to get through all that water, which

could be done, but then you'd have to wonder, you know, what in the world would you want to live

there, you know, in the first place? Anyway, our bodies are adapted to the surface of this planet.

And I gotta tell you, I think that's probably pretty rare. We have a very active space program,

where we have a lot of telescopes out there. We've looked about 20,000 light years in every direction,

and we have not seen a planet where it looks like it's conducive to live on the surface.

That doesn't mean they couldn't live inside those worlds, which is quite possible that could

be living inside this one. Yeah. Well, then simultaneous to this as I was mentioning earlier

is the double earth theory, which is something completely different, right, Brooks?

Yeah, there's double earth theory. We have one earth inside the other earth, or you have a multiverse,

or, uh, yeah, there are those possibilities as well. I mean, it's clear that there is some

population, albeit not very large, that is flying around our planet and not making itself known

to the normal average person. Maybe governments are working with them, maybe they're not,

but it's clear that there are advanced civilizations living on this planet and teasing us by flying

over our heads all the time. Well, I'm just speaking of those advanced civilizations that we,

there has been thoughts that they could be residing, you know, down under the ocean in the ocean

underground. Many people have seen these crafts go in and out of bodies of water.

Makes total sense to me. I mean, if I was either an ancient civilization living on this planet,

and I don't want to get involved with modern civilizations for obvious reasons or

I'm an extraterrestrial civilization and I happen to be living on this planet and I don't want to

have interactions with surface dwellers, or I can't because I'm not, I don't have immunities

to allow me to do it. That's exactly where I would live on the bottom of the sea.

This theory, as I mentioned, not as widespread as the Apollo or theory because it's only really come

into existence saying the past decade or so, but it basically says that, you know, when

the solar system was formed, there could have been this collision of sorts and then a reforming

and then what we ejected material and some of that landed on the moon and then there were these two

planetary bodies that essentially, what fused together. That's essentially what we're talking about.

Yeah, and you know, the interesting thing when we do spectrographic or chemical analysis at the

earth and the moon, we do find that they're made of different material and different enough that

one didn't come from the other and the moon is primarily titanium and aluminum and the earth

is primarily iron and nickel. So it's highly unlikely that the moon came from the earth. It doesn't

mean that sometimes they couldn't have collided together and separated the distance that they are,

but we studied the moon a lot and we're getting ready to go back there. We're going to establish

a lunar colony. We're going to go after the helium three and we're going to know a lot about the moon.

One of the things that we know is the moon does not have a uniform crest the side that faces us

is heavy. What do we know more about? It seems like we know more about the moon, but we don't. We know

a lot more about the earth. We just don't know very much about our seafloor. Pause at the

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Agnew tonight on the show. So we were talking about the hollow earth and then that sprung off

to this other theory, which is a double earth. As I mentioned, there could have been

well, two planets fusing together is the word that I chose to use. So possible that earth

may have absorbed another planet entirely early on in its formation through some sort of

collision of some court sorts, right, Brooks?

Well, actually, if you go back to Genesis and you look at the creation

and you just go scientifically step by step through the different days of the creation,

what you see is that a water planet exists somewhere and that the face of the Lord goes across the

face of the deep and he divides the waters from the water. So it's obviously he creates a water

planet from this water planet and sends it somewhere and if you just expand your mind a little bit

and think of Eden not as a garden but as a planet. Eden goes through space through the rift

in the Milky Way and is merged with this earth say 60,000 years ago and it took seven months for

the water to settle down on this planet and the two life forms then blended, the two ecologies

blended. And what we see in the anthropological record and in the paleological record is we see

these sudden jumps in species complexity. And we have always thought that it was caused by some

asteroid that hit the planet, killed all the dinosaurs, but it could be from two planets merging.

And if we look at the sea floor of earth and we compare it to dry land of earth, there's a big

difference. Dry land is about 4.5 billion years old everywhere, the Appalachians, the Rockies,

the Himalayas, but the sea floor, the oldest sea floor that we have been able to measure is only

50 million years old. That's a big difference between the sea floor and dry land. It does support

the idea that two planets merged. One was a water planet, one was an earth planet and if you think

that it is still strange to think about off-worlders living here on this planet, I challenge you

by the time you get through Genesis 6. You have been introduced to five races none of whom are from

here. So would there have there been isotopes found in earth mantle or crust that would support this

idea of multiple planetary building blocks? We want to call that. Absolutely. We do see in even in

the DNA record and most all the DNA on the surface of the planet is tied to human DNA, everything from

a cabbage to a hippopotamus. Human DNA is throughout all of these life forms.

But we are finding life forms that are very, very old. Millions of years old that do not have that

core DNA as part of their makeup. And we found this in not chromagnon man but neanderthal man

and very old humanoids. We don't find our DNA. There's no way we descended from these

individuals. We came in a later race. How much later? Well, the record shows that the oldest is

probably a billion years old after the earth settled down a little bit and to about 50 million

years old. And even 20,000 years ago, we see a jump in the DNA genus and species.

Interesting. So what would these discoveries, something like the hollow earth and a double earth

mean? You think if one of these expeditions down to the poles comes back and it turns out that

individuals like Heli were right? Well, I don't think anybody should be afraid of it. I think

all knowledge is good and learning about what really happened or what really is truth is good

thing. Of course, in doing all of this since 2006, that's been 20 years I've been at this.

I have run into thousands of people all over the world. I've spoken all of the world on this.

To hundreds of thousands of people and I've met lots of people who swear. They've been to the

hollow earth and they've met hollow earth beings or they're in communication with hollow earth

beings or that there's some city called Tilo underneath Mount Shasta. And I can't speak to any of that

because a fact is a direct observation. And if these people say they had a direct observation,

I have to take it as a data point. However, the scientists in me once that data to be reliable

and repeatable by other sources as well. And none of that has ever been. So it's just a category

by itself. I can't say it's all false, but I can say it's not scientific. Yeah, certainly gets

the internet talking. It absolutely does. It makes for makes for big conferences too. When we have

conferences around the country, we get a lot of people who get people that have alternative ideas

about the nature of earth that is a trans-dimensional body in space. There's some weird ones out there.

Well, and it's an extrapolation of stuff we already know. Like we know that human beings are

trans-dimensional beings. We are an eternal being having a mortal experience. We are older

than worlds. And if we could just remember who we are, we could bring a lot of that

memory and skill to a one modern lifetime. We could change the world. We could save the world.

But not many people can remember who they were. And I don't mean that they've been reincarnated

a million times on this planet. Maybe they haven't always been on this planet. Maybe they haven't

always been in human form. Right. And that's why the space program is so important that we continue

to make it to the next frontier. Well, as long as governments are in charge of it, it's never

going to happen. But fortunately, after the L cross mission in 2006, we discovered the presence

of frozen helium three on the moon, the gold rush is on, and now private industry is interested

in the moon. And that's going to make it happen. So private industry will beat NASA or any of these

other Jackson or the Chinese organizations or Russia? Well, not necessarily Jackson. They're building

peripherals and robots and rovers. But yes, the old space agency that uses hydrogen as a fuel

is obsolete. It's the modern fuel is methane. It's safer. It's much easier to manage. And

Artemis two probably will happen on April's fools day. We'll see how it goes. But Artemis three,

I just made the recommendation that Artemis three be canceled because it is far too complex. A

lot of things that it wants to do have never, ever been tested. Well, that thought, Brooks Agnew with

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Agnew talking about the Artemis program. I mentioned a quick update repairs are continuing. It's

still in the building for repairs. It'll go out to the launch pad later this month and prepare for

a launch sometime in April. This is the number. This is on Artemis two. But what you're saying is

that the next mission, the one that is planned in 2027 again, that one will be without a crew

should not happen. No, no, the Artemis two is going to happen with the crew is going to go around

the moon and come back. Right. No, but I'm saying Artemis three, the next one, 2027. You're saying

that one should not happen. That's right. Artemis three was a crude mission that was going to send a

starship to the moon orbiting the moon and Orion to the moon. They were going to dock and move

astronauts from Orion to starship land starship on the moon offload a bunch of equipment and then

take starship off of the moon, redock with Orion and come back to Earth. None of that has been

practiced. We've never docked in Orion with a with a starship and starship has never landed on

anything except Texas soil twice the rest of the time. It's splashed out in the water and it's never

taken back off again after it's landed. So I said, there's the an eye. They should cancel Artemis three

and they did the next day. They said, that's it. We're not doing Artemis three. It's too complex.

They're going to break it up into baby steps, which is exactly what they should do.

Yeah, that's what I was saying because Artemis three now is is back to being an uncrewed

mission. Well, I don't know if it's going to be uncrewed or not, but it's going to be low Earth orbit

practice at doing different things and then they still got to get a starship to the moon and put

it in orbit around the moon and then land starship on the moon to take it off again. That's never

been done. It's going to have to be done. Yeah, so I guess that's our Artemis four and potentially

yeah, Artemis four, Artemis five, right? We'll see, but you know, I'm just so is it I mean,

is the is the overall, you know, project doomed? No, I don't think so. The gateway project is the project

developed to develop this lunar space, but there are a lot of things that have to take place. We

got to get GPS satellites in orbit around the moon. We have to get base units on the moon to

link up with those satellites so we can navigate. We have to put power generators on the moon and

even a kilowatt generator, you're going to need one of those for every single astronaut working on

the moon. And we don't we don't even have them built yet. So they have to be built. They have to

be put up there and the habitats have to be constructed. And I've been pushing them for

four years now to build those habitats on the inside of the moon and not the surface of the moon.

Right. Well, you mentioned Hydrogen versus Nitrogen and that certainly has been a problem in

Hydrogen Lase methane methane 16 times larger than hydrogen a much easier to handle.

Right. And so is there a possibility of switching? And I mean, at this point or were that

it require an entire retrofit of the systems that are already in place?

Yeah. I mean, NASA has to grow a SpaceX has been doing this more than anybody else on

a planet. They've recycled boosters so many times I can't count them. Methane is immensely

easier to handle than liquid hydrogen. A hydrogen will leak through solid steel. That's that's how

small it is. Is it cheaper? Yes, it's a lot cheaper because methane is liquefied at a much

higher temperature than hydrogen. So do you think that this indicates that maybe America is losing

the space race? But when you look at some of the other headlines, I mean, Japan just had one of

their rockets explode. And that was Cairo's the third time. Yeah. The same fate Russia. I mean,

they imploded their whole launch pad for goodness sake. Two rovers, two rovers to the moon. I'm

both of them crashed. But that's it's very difficult to do to land remotely on the moon.

Fix your playing a video game with a joystick that has a two minute delay between what you do

and what the spaceship does. That's why they can't land on the moon remotely. It is very difficult to do.

China seems like they're having a better luck at it. China is kicking our ass on the moon.

Absolutely. They're working the far side of the moon. They've had a rover up there for three years.

And yeah, they're they're doing fine. How many attempts have they succeeded at now?

I know it was a few. I think they have had, well, beside the orbiting

imagery that they sent up there, they sent four of those. They sent about five landers and all

five have landed on the moon. All right. So we may be losing to China. But are we losing in

jeopardy of losing to anybody else? Or are they all still trying to figure their stuff out too?

Sounds like it. Well, we'll see. I mean, India's catching up with everybody. They have all the

brains. I mean, they have more honor students than we have students. And they have enough money

to put behind it. But, you know, it remains to be seen. The Indians are very aggressive.

I think we need to start working out this as a planet instead of as different governments competing

against one another. We'll have a lot better chance of success.

Yes. But now we're all building our own independent private space station. I mean, Russia has

their own China has their own. Do we still know what the plan is after the international space

station for, you know, the United States and other countries who haven't taken steps to build

their own by now? There are a lot of plans in the works. But honestly, we've learned about

everything that we can learn from having a space station at low earth orbit. We need to start

thinking about putting a space station in a gravity well around the moon, like we have a couple of,

well, we have one space telescope up there now, the James Webb. And we're getting ready to put

the Roman telescope in the same well, L2. But it is quite possible to put a very, very large

space station in one of the gravity wells around the moon between the moon and the earth,

or between the moon and the sun. And it would be very stable and way out of harm's way. But we're

not talking about lower earth orbit. We're talking about being, you know, 30,000 miles out in

230,000 miles out in space. It's a big difference. But that's a real space station way out there

past the Van L and radiation belts. So is the future that each country would, you know,

have its own and we wouldn't be collaborating? Well, we'll see. I think they all need to link up

because there's really only four decent Lagrange points to put a space station.

And I've always made the case that we should haul up asteroid into that location and make the

asteroid into a space station. But well, yeah, haul an asteroid into one of the gravity wells

around the moon, carve it there and turn it into a space station. So how would we stop it?

Well, you just take it very gently into that location. And a Trojan would actually,

what Trojan is a small asteroid that ends up in one of the gravity wells naturally. And there

are some up there. But I'm talking a good size one, like a thousand feet in diameter. Just move it

up there and put it into the well and turn that into a space station. Okay. That's feasible. Would

you need heavy machinery up there in order to take machinery up there, but you'd have a billion

tons of iron to work with. And so we would mine that for all it was worth. Absolutely.

Turn it into energy. Well, if it had a C type, which basically means

organic material on it, any organic material frozen water, or that could be turned into fuel.

Absolutely. There are asteroids that are solid methane just sitting up there and all we have

to do is move into position and use them as fuel. All right, Brooks Agnew with us will continue

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So it's an Artemis 2 now after repairs will go back out to the launch pad and then we'll go

with this accrue 10 days around the Moon. There's going to be another one before

what was supposed to be the the the the the whole enchilada that's been delayed at least until

2028. We're talking with Brooks Agnew tonight. He's actually written a book called asteroid mining

the future of energy and you were talking about moving these asteroids into place and there's all

sorts of benefits to that right? Oh yeah absolutely. I mean you'd have a solid surface from

which to work. You'd have the ability to refuel your your missions virtually indefinitely

and we'd be sitting in a place of observation that has already proven that James Webb telescope

to be tremendously capable otherwise we have to use telescopes that are in other orbit like the Hubble

which is now way way old or observatories here on earth which has to look through which have to

look through the atmosphere. One of the projects that I have created is called the Global Telescope

Network. It is a network of a very good shmit cast-screen telescopes. There are thousands and

thousands of them all of the United States and creating a network of them to look at different

stars and create photographs and download them to a database so that we could map near earth

objects. Right now that is done with one or two telescopes on earth. Now it does create a lot of

data and people can download that data and analyze it and a lot of new asteroids have been found by

amateur astronomers analyzing that data but imagine if we had a telescope that was 3,000 miles across

and used a 500 different lenses to look at space. Imagine the data that we could collect and use.

That's nothing in comparison to what we could do use do from a space telescope.

Interesting. That would be beneficial monetarily and otherwise?

Well yes, amateur astronomers would be paid for their time to look at space and to take these

photographs and upload them to the database. That would cost about two to five million dollars a

year which is really not much for a space program. We've put it out there several times trying to

get some grants from various space agencies or federal agencies. No one's interested in doing it.

Doesn't mean it's not a good idea but a lot of great ideas don't get funded.

Interesting. Wow. There's a lot of water within the, within an asteroid is what would we be

able to I mean drink that would have to go through a mining process or a filtration process or

something like that? Yes, it would depend on the asteroid of course but there are large chunks of

frozen water out there frozen methane out there as well. And if you haul those to a gravity well

and you use any kind of energy at all solar energy or nuclear energy to treat that water you can

get pure water, pure oxygen, pure hydrogen. You could refuel spacecraft and virtually explore

sister lunar space as much as you want without having to come back to earth to refuel.

Okay, so how would we initially get energy going in space? Maybe it already exists. I don't know.

Never been there. Well, we've already been in the asteroid built several times just with very,

very small craft. We've landed on asteroids. We've taken samples. We brought the samples back.

We did it year before last and landed in New Mexico and we actually used an ion drive on that

unit too. So very fast but it's very small. There's never a lot of thrust. But you know the book

outlines several very practical ways of moving large bodies through space and making use of them

either at orbit around Mars, orbit around the moon in a gravity well around the moon.

Lots of things can be done. It would really, really advance our ventures into space.

Right now everything has to be fueled on the earth, which is ridiculous.

So there would eventually have to be a fuel station, which is what I'm getting to.

You would have to build the infrastructure for that and you've got to start somewhere.

But eventually there would be a fuel station.

A whole new pretend behind gateway, but there's a lot. There are a lot of gaps in their idea that

they didn't flesh out and I try to do that on my book.

And so what fuel sources would potentially be used?

Well, primarily it's going to be water because we can split it into hydrogen and oxygen as

the easiest, but there are also frozen methane out there. We just saw that with three ion atlas.

It had a huge methane component too that boiled off when it got close to the sun.

And you know, those bodies are out there and look how old that was.

That that internet solar system a long, long time ago, very fast and not from the

earth cloud or we propelled from someplace totally new to us.

Yeah, well, it's now on its way out forever.

Yeah, it is. It's it's it's run this course.

And of course, was the subject of all kinds of mythology as well.

But you know, we just try to keep level heads about these things and

and say what we know about the science as it happens. Sure.

Well, we will pause, come back, wrap up our conversation.

Brooks, but tell the audience about your website and and about your books here.

Yeah, sure. I have 13 books in print. Eight of them have been Amazon best sellers.

They're fiction and nonfiction and some are stories about the hollow earth.

They're stories about the deep state wars that are going on.

You can reach all this by going to Brooksagonu.com.

It's a very easy website to navigate and there's there's all kinds of information there for you.

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We're talking with Brooks Agnew tonight.

We've been discussing all sorts of things.

We started out talking about this theory that the earth is hollow.

And then we talked about the possibility that there's actually two earths.

And now we have discussed all things in between including the space program,

US space program, and of course how we're really losing out to China.

And are there any specific reasons why that's the case, Brooks?

I mean, some obvious ones.

Yeah, because once the healing through was discovered in the moon in 2006,

the gold rush opened the first entity country or private corporation that makes it to

shorting your space in which is which is the south pole of the moon.

And can access Shacklford crater, which is the crater that was discovered to have the

helium three in it, is going to win the race.

And I promise you the entity that controls that fuel will control the world.

Because in that one crater, there's a 10,000 year fuel supply for earth.

Yeah, so there's kind of, is this almost a golden age?

Would you say that there's really an urgency?

Yeah, because we need, first of all, a clean fuel, something that does not put off radiation

and doesn't put our atmosphere. And helium three fusion is the key.

Because if we can learn how to fuse helium three together, the byproducts are helium four,

which is what we fill our party balloons with, heat and electricity to get electricity

straight out of the reaction. So and no radiation, no energetic protons or neutrons at all.

So right now we're trying to do with what's called a tokamak, which is a device that

creates a magnetically contained plasma. And then we try to crush that plasma to create the fusion.

Now we've created cold fusion for limited amounts of time for like one second or half a second.

And cold fusion is we are getting a molecular weight build or change, but we're not getting enough

energy to keep the reaction going on its own. It's not hot fusion.

Through helium three fusion would generate enough temperature to keep the reaction going.

I don't personally think it can be done on earth. They're trying to do it.

I've been involved with that. I do. I see your project on it when I graduated college.

But I think it needs to be done on the moon or in space. Because gravity and atmosphere are our

enemies when we're trying to do this plasma. And the moon doesn't have very much atmosphere and

it has very little gravity. So I think it'd be much easier to do on the moon to contain a plasma

than it is here. Besides the ones who has already talked about this and other technological challenges

you see. Yeah, the technological technological challenges of getting helium three from the moon

to the earth. Now we have some basic technologies to be able to do that. We can core drill,

the crater, send those cores into space, gather them up in what we call a cassette.

And once a cassette is full, then we bring that cassette back to earth. But I'm saying that we need

to build that fusion station on the moon and not on earth. So two different

tracks of thinking altogether. But I still think that the and of course the difference is

our original space program. We landed equatorial in a big flat open space like Death Valley.

Landing and shorting your space in is a little like landing on Mount Everest in comparison.

It's not level. It's going to take a pilot to be able to fly that graph and land it,

just like we did the last time. None of the rovers have successfully landed on the south pole.

It's too rough and you can't do it automatically. It has to be done by hand.

We've talked about the moon, but there's also Mars, which is more realistic as possibly being

a second home for. Well, in the next 50 years, it's going to be the moon for sure.

Building inside the moon, we can easily build a habitat and have a colony working there. The issue

is humanity. If you have a person on the moon that say gets pregnant or has a medical emergency,

they can be back on the earth in a day and a half. Easy. If you have a person that gets pregnant on

Mars, that fetus is a Martian. It will never ever be able to come back to earth.

The human race will change. You will have Martians. That baby would take so long to get back to

the earth that by the time it developed, it would not have the bone structure to be able to stand

earth's gravity. Would there not be adequate medical facilities up there?

Yeah, but you're talking about 68% of earth's gravity, so it's not really going to work.

Have critical periods that a fetus develops and you don't get another chance to do those developments.

Interesting. Yeah, I'm just trying to think this one out here.

Where else then besides the moon might be beneficial for us to maybe potentially explore one day?

I would definitely think the moons of Saturn. There are moons that are

totally conducive. They have liquid water. They have the right amount of temperature,

equilibrium. We can definitely develop the moons of Saturn. How many of those are there?

Well, nine that are that we know of that we can actually develop, but we're talking about way

further out its pace too. Right, which poses problems. If you're trying to colonize one of these

locations, you do have to look at how you're going to get back and forth and how long that would take.

Right. And those kinds of missions, you can only take men or sterile women. You definitely

don't want to pregnancy out there. It would be it would be within the space program if it happened.

So China legitimately has a shot to plant the the flag on the moon next.

Yes, China's kicking our ass and they're learning a lot more about working on the far side of the

moon than anybody else on the planet. And I think if they use their heads and stop all the

shenanigans with trying to dominate Earth, they could easily dominate the moon.

And then the US will likely follow. It may just take a few years.

Yeah, it will have to. It will have to. But I would hope that and I was part of this

peace and space initiative that was presented to the UN when it was originally written.

I would hope that we would be able to work together off planet, you know, on the moon and even on

Mars. But it appears that our politics and our ideological differences are going to follow us into

space. Yeah. So what do you think that we are so determined to explore space? Why has humanity

been so driven throughout time? That's a very good question. We've always looked to the stars.

Like I said, we've looked at for 20,000 light years in every direction. We've not found

any planet like Earth. Earth is an amazing world. And if we would spend our effort trying to learn,

our trying to work within the constraints of Earth, we'd be a lot better off. I don't think we

should go so much effort into space unless we need to fuel. Interesting.

Brooks, great having you on the program tonight. Again, tell the audience how they should contact you

about your books, about your show and online yards. The easiest way is to go to BrooksItem.com.

All the shows are linked there. All my books are for sale there, my philosophy.

I have health and aging products there that everyone can use. It's a great place to visit.

Just go to BrooksItem.com. Everything you need is there. Fantastic. It was great talking with

you, Brooks. My pleasure, Jeremy. Thank you. Absolutely, friends. And again, if you go to

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