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Previously, on blood memory, the worst thing that you can do to a human being is put

him in a cage.

What were you naive about?

Everything.

First and foremost, not the whites, not the Mexicans, but the blacks, and the black

Panthers.

Try to recruit me.

This is our right, young Mike.

You know, you're either with us or against us, and what you're telling me is that you're

against us.

Then TD Bingham approached me, probably one of the most influential members of the Iron

Brotherhood.

I was hoping to get you to react.

Let me see.

Pull it up.

This is the Aryan Brother code.

I could get it.

I could pull up on my computer.

I got people here.

I'll just put them on.

I'm sure you recognize it.

The Aryan Brother is without care.

He walks where the weak and heartless won't dare.

And if by chance he should stumble and lose control, his brothers will be there to help

reach his goal.

Yeah.

I don't recognize it.

I don't really.

Yeah, it's the first time I've seen it.

Sounds like something that TD or Mac would write.

To me, something like this is actually adolescent.

That's how I would have viewed it back then, had somebody shown this to me.

I would have looked at him and said, man, grow up.

That's propaganda.

Another quote that I have here, this was from another member.

The smell of fresh human blood can be overpowering, but killing is like having sex.

The first time is not so rewarding, but it gets better and better with practice, especially

when one remembers that it's a holy cause.

That sounds pretty psychopathic, doesn't it?

Blood is quite identifiable by way of sense.

I've heard people say iron, but that copper is what it smells like to me.

There's nothing attractive about it.

I've seen a lot of blood and a lot of blood-letting.

There's no way to glorify that.

Not back then, not now.

From love and radio, you're listening to Blood Memory, I'm Nick Vanderkulk.

This is episode 5, The Brand.

So TD approaches you.

Take me back.

You're on the yard.

He walks up to you.

Yeah.

Had you met him before?

No.

Okay.

And what did he look like?

TD is not very tall, but he's huge.

His current name I understand is the Hulk.

And I can see where he would like that.

Huge, big barrel chest and just a few whispers on the top and then he had that wrap around.

But he had this huge, you see him, he said mustache.

He used to kid him.

I said, here's why it is your tall.

You know, he had this habit of taking his fists and putting him on his hips, spreading

his legs and let that Superman stance, I guess.

That's how he would stand and talk.

Yeah, tattoos, both arms and arms chest.

Very straightforward, very matter of fact, very confident, extremely intelligent.

Oftentimes when you meet people, there's just a connection, you know, recognized him for

who he was.

It was a warrior.

Number one, TD Bingham.

Bingham hardly looked like a prison superfuck.

Dressed in a new button-down shirt and slacks and wearing wire-rimmed glasses, he had

a navunkular appearance.

He often stroked his walrus mustache, traded jokes with one of his attorneys, and nodded

politely when introduced to a prospective juror across the courtroom.

Only the bulk beneath his shirt hinted at Bingham's history as one of the most feared men in

the U.S. federal prison system, having reportedly benched him.

He had a twist of chewing tobacco, and he bit off a piece and handed it to me, and I bit

off a piece and worked it for a minute and enjoyed it.

He did most of the talking.

He told me that he called the truce between the blacks and myself, and I told him that's

fine, but I'm not finished with what I'm doing, and he laughed.

Instead of genuine good laugh, he complimented me on my style of fighting and told me that

he believed I was brand material and would like me to join him.

The Brotherhood is characterized by its fearlessness in its violence, at times killing in full view

of other inmates and guards.

Often tattooed with sham rocks or Nazi emblems, members rarely called themselves the Aryan Brotherhood,

preferring to themselves instead as the rock, the tip, or the brand.

At the time, what was your understanding of the Aryan Brotherhood?

I had a general assumption that they were a bunch of racists and dope feints.

That's about the extent of it, and that was just based on collateral input from others.

When they talked about the AB, talked about them in fearful tones.

I knew that they were violent, but I didn't understand actually what they did.

I just thought they were an organization, a gang, and of course you hear Aryan Brotherhood

and you automatically think Nazi.

TD had a star of David, tattooed on him.

He saw me looking at it, and I just had the impression that was a common quarry even unspoken,

and so he said, you know, I'm Jewish and proud of it, but it was confusing, especially

with my preconceived notions about who they were.

So I just put my hand up and I said, I appreciate you getting at me, but not a racist, I'm not

a dope fan.

It's not what we're about, as he told me, you misunderstand, and I wasn't interested

in an explanation about what I misunderstand.

I declined, not knowing that that was unheard of.

People were standing in line just trying to get in, and he told me that that was fine,

but they still had my back.

Not too long after, I had a subsequent meeting with four natives at where AB.

And what did they say?

Bear did most of the talking.

His name was appropriate.

It was very much bear-like.

He told me, look, you need to understand that the brand isn't about racism or what

people normally think.

He says, look at us.

As members, we live better here than we ever lived on the rez.

They knew that I was native and that I had lived on the rez.

That's what they referred to as a rez dog.

That peaked my curiosity and I said, well, what do you mean?

So he started to break it down.

How they controlled the job assignments, how they controlled the kitchens and the warehouses

and the movement of commodities back and forth, and of course, pilfering those commodities

toward making pruno, which was turned into whiskey.

What about it specifically appeal to you?

Control.

And there's no question about that.

The matter where you're at in the prison system is that control is of utmost importance.

You can be by degree or it can be absolute.

And here they were talking about, essentially, absolute control of everything.

They would control the influx of personal packages.

Then they controlled the drug trade.

They controlled prostitution.

They controlled loans.

They controlled even write-ups.

So if a guard gave somebody a write-up, they could get that squast.

They had a license plate factory there.

So the jobs in PAA had a pay number so they controlled that and who was placed there.

So at any rate, I accepted their invitation and it was actually based on that discussion

that I joined.

What did being a member involved at this point, like what kind of activities were you doing

at that stage?

You know, I like to do whatever I wanted to do.

While some members were more influential, like TD, all members were considered equal.

So if somebody wanted to go do something, they wouldn't did it.

They didn't need permission.

I like that.

They're making a lot of money.

A lot of money.

It was kind of shocking.

But the problem was that they were all dope things.

So it was all going into their arms and that just did not make any sense to me.

But I started looking into the resource base and how that could be used to essentially

create a business.

One of the first things I ventured into was weapons.

Given my experience, particularly at Folsom, I was constantly engaged in combat.

I mean, in the course of my first year, I had something like 20 disciplinaries for fighting,

you know, knife fights.

They just introduced metal detectors to Folsom, that walked through kind, like to see

it airports.

But technology there's pretty fundamental, and it's just simple physics.

I reasoned that if I took a book knife and I created a heath for it, which I did

made essentially out of a polymere, a plastic, that I encased it in that, and then I wrapped

that in all electrical tape.

I first started with a specific weave.

I went and over and then I went left and then I went right and then I went and over and

this way.

And then I cut that in half and then slid the knife in, put the cap on it so that it

went over the other cap, insulated it.

So then I needed somebody to help me bring weapons in from the outside.

Some of the guys had been dealing with this, what they called, they were called, Tribal

Fund.

Chapter 2 Tribal Fund The Tribal Fund was one of a number of

terrorist groups that inhabited the San Francisco Bay Area at this time, the most famous of which

is probably the Simeonese Liberation Army that kidnapped Paddy Hurst.

The assistant district attorney for San Francisco described the Tribal Fund as a Maoist revolutionary

group that believed in, quote, violence now, and were once accused of shooting down a police

helicopter in Oakland in 1973.

I guess you'd have to say they were kind of revolutionary.

Yeah, that's not changing yourself to a tree.

No, no, that's not a tree hug.

They reminded me of just hippies.

They wanted to start and build a commune.

So I discussed with them the idea that I had devised a mechanism whereby the sheath metal

and that it would go through the metal detectors, I believed.

Of course, I had to explain that to the girls to have them do it.

And then purchase a buck knife, I told them 444 stainless steel.

What was in it for them, like, why were they agreeing to help you with this?

They were looking for, actually, they were looking for leadership.

And that's oftentimes the case in situations like this.

They were more interested in who I was.

And what my mindset was, you know, relative to nature.

The idea of me being native appeal to them because of the nature-based philosophy associated

with it.

Of course, I advocated matriarchy as opposed to patriarchy.

That appeal to them, of course.

I had them construct these sheaths, purchase stainless steel knives that were folding.

So you fold them and then you put them in this sheath and then you have to excrete them

in a body cavity.

San Francisco Airport had just installed metal detection.

So I had them excrete them vaginally and walked through the metal detectors in San Francisco.

To test them?

Yeah.

And it worked.

I had them smuggle at first, just two buck knives in the old Folsom.

I retrieved them in the visiting room, two gals with the organization brought them into

me.

I was doing anything I could to facilitate really what comes down to as an armory.

I had zip guns made, I had 22 shells smuggle in that could fit the zip guns.

I mean, you want to remember, the opposition here, their attorneys are smuggling guns

in for them.

They're taking over the adjustment center.

They're cutting the throats of not only guards, but white inmates.

So that's what you're up against.

And is specifically the black gorilla family or black gorilla family and black panthers

both.

They didn't have cell phones back then, but I brought CB radios in and put them in all

the units so that while I was in the hole, I could communicate with everybody in the

prison via CB radio.

That was to advance the activities of the organization, which were violent.

That just is what made sense to me.

If you have a battle between a knife and a gun, wherever you know who's going to win,

you see, the opposition was smuggling gunpowder and making bombs.

You've ever had a bomb thrown into your cell that's pretty devastating.

It'll blow everything off the walls, including the toilet and sink.

They're all destroyed.

And if you manage to survive it, it'll more power to you.

Back then they had eight tract tapes and it slips into a slot just like a set used to,

but just like a CD does now, but it's paper thin.

So I had matches and then had matches scraped.

I took that sulfur and loaded it into one of those eight tract cartridges.

I set it within the tape itself so that when you plugged in the eight track and you turned

it on and that tape moved, it triggered just like striking a match.

And so the eight track player became a bomb and it exploded.

In the swap note from that, it could be very damaging.

And how did that work with the eight track bombs I didn't really use?

Yeah, I did use them one time, only because it had been used against me.

What was that situation?

Oh, I just, it was Yogi again trying to get back.

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Chapter 3, Yogi.

The front of your cell is faced with bars.

So there's no closures or anything else, and you can slide anything under the bars.

And of course, you can't walk by the cell because everybody's under escort.

You slingshot the bomb into the cell.

It's pretty loud.

You were asleep at the time, and the explosion woke you up, I assume.

Did you immediately know what it was?

Did you look around like, take me through sort of what?

Yeah, it's hard to describe to you.

I mean, it's no big thing.

You've got a bomb that comes into your cell.

Explosive, you've got debris.

And you've got a big thing, just a bomb that comes into your cell.

Yeah.

I didn't check to see if I was hurt.

I didn't feel any pain.

I mean, my ears echoed, and you've got smoke and alarms going off because,

of course, staff have heard it.

Staff running down the tier, and what you're trying to do is clean everything up before they

get there so they can't see it.

Oh, you're trying to clean it up.

His bomb.

Yes.

Why?

Because you don't want staff to know that somebody tried to bomb you.

You see, you want to keep that on the Qt.

It ups security and everything else.

And so, you know, and staff can run it in, you're sitting there.

Yeah.

What?

What's going on?

We know a bomb went off in here, but you don't give that up.

I don't want this to sound wrong, but it was more comical than anything because it

was a bad bomb.

It was terrible bomb.

This thing goes off and you get up and you say, okay, that's it.

You know, that's the best you can do.

So to me, it was, you know, kind of funny.

Was a piece of it as well if the guards had known that you had been attacked, then you

would not be able to retaliate.

Retaliate?

Yeah.

No, not necessarily.

That wouldn't stop anything.

And they would have known that.

It was more along the lines of, you know, it was a bonehead move, but even though it was

a bonehead move, you don't allow staff to be involved in it.

It's between whoever's trying to bomb me and me.

Tell me about the decision to retaliate.

Was that ever a question?

No, not for me.

I just, like I said, what they had attempted to me was kind of comical.

And so my attitude was, well, you know, let me show you how to do this.

And I did.

I put together a bomb and insured that it was gift to Diyogi.

And when he plugged in the eight-track, the eight-track blew up on him.

I'm Billis Toilet, and it sink off the wall.

It was enough to let him know that you don't want to try to slingshot bombs into my cell

anymore.

Otherwise, I'll blow you in your whole cell up.

It's a deterrent.

How do you square all of this as, I mean, you've talked extensively of being someone

who hates violence.

How do you square that with smuggling weapons?

Well, the presumption is that it needs to be squared, right?

You say, well, how do you square that?

Why would I try?

I never consciously thought, well, you know, I don't like violence.

But Tee, I wonder if I should do this.

No.

That would be disingenuous.

So no, I never gave really any thought, as a matter of fact, I pursued every possible

angle I could think of.

I can kind of see the argument with knives or even a gun for self-protection.

If you're building a bomb, that seems much more aggressive and actually creating violence

as opposed to self-defense.

Well, you would think so, you know, this country has how many nuclear bombs?

I mean, hundreds of thousands.

And they're all for what purpose?

Peace, right?

So if you're suing for peace and your opponent realizes that they're outmatched and that

ultimately what's going to happen is that they're going to suffer if they don't agree

to peace, then that has value, doesn't it?

And was it effective?

I mean, did he stop going after you?

No.

No, he just changed his modality.

Coming off the yard, your handcuffed behind your back.

And that's the one opportunity to kill you on a post.

They would get whatever oil, butter, margarine, whatever the hell it was.

And they would butter themselves up and slide through the bars out under the tear.

So that while I was still cuffed, they could butcher me.

The fellow that first tried it, his name was Ricky.

And he had the right idea.

You see, oftentimes it's just the execution of that idea that makes the difference.

They cut two bars out and you know, and waited till I was coming in.

He'd buttered himself up, put the knife in his hand, put his hands out in front of him,

started to slide out through the bars.

You can't test it.

Once you go, you go.

The problem was the opening wasn't wide enough.

Ricky was pretty husky lad and he got stuck.

The guard ran off the tear and left me there.

While I saw him coming out, I went to a cell and had the cuffs removed from me.

I always had somebody with a handcuff key and had him unlock my cuffs.

I walked up to the cell and Ricky was stuck.

He couldn't go either way.

He's got his hands out in front of him.

He's got this big old bone crusher in his hands.

He's looking over the top of his eyelids at me like, okay, what are you going to do?

So I reached down and he tried to keep me from removing the knife from his hand and he

wasn't successful.

I removed it.

So I said, Ricky, we both know what I could do right now, right?

And he didn't say anything.

I said, so here's how it's going to work.

I'm going to push you back inside and my suggestion to you is to stay inside.

So I did.

I pushed him back inside the cell and then went and locked up.

Am I right in assuming that there are very few other members of the brand who would have

done the same thing in that situation?

I don't think any of them would have taken the knife away from him and butchered him, left

him stuck in the bars.

I mean, it's what's called a freebie.

Was that ever a conflict for you, the other members were incredibly brutal.

I mean, did you ever take issue with that level of brutality?

No.

No, that would have been a mistake when an individual enters into violence with another individual

whose intent is the same or similar, and then the outcome is on them.

I mean, I've had a man practically decapitated right in front of myself, both AB members.

The fixed a man, the person who did it?

No, there was no victim.

See, they were both engaged and the loser of that engagement was damn near, decapitated.

And it comes with the territory.

Sometimes people get upset when I use that term, it comes with the territories, if I'm

just being indifferent or say, la vie non-surlante about it, I'm not.

I'm assessing the value and being in a controlled environment, being caught up in what's going

on and what you see and not allowing that to impact you.

Because if you do, it diminishes your capacity, you see, to function within that environment.

I took a knife away from a guy once that was intent on killing me.

It was political.

He was another AB member.

I was in a position of leadership and I had outlawed drug use.

So he was waiting until I walked in from the yard and he had his arms inside the bars

to another cell, and like he was just chatting, I felt it as I was getting ready to

walk by him and then I just took his arm and I pushed it into the bars and he had a knife

at it.

So I held him there and took the knife away from him.

I took him down and he fled for his life.

He begged me.

You were holding him down on the ground or what?

Yes.

With the knife, she was thrown.

Close.

He wasn't going to move.

So choice was mine.

Within prison culture, I would have been perfectly within my rights to take his life because

he was going to take mine.

But that's not how I see it.

And that's where ethics comes in and he intimacy associated with that is I made a decision

not to take his life.

There was no need.

Now people later objected that saying, man, you just leave him alive to come back and

get you another day.

I said, I don't think so.

You see, the reason I don't think so is because I choked up on the knife and I tacked

two of the circle around his heart, lasting circle.

And that was a very intimate act.

It's really not a matter of being master over life and death, that's nonsense.

I attempt to live in the moment when I was confronted later about leaving him alive.

It was kind of like, what are you serious?

They perceived what it occurred as a betrayal and that based on that betrayal alone, I should

have taken his life.

Then he attempted to take my life, I should have taken his life.

And the fact that he was an AB member and now was going contrary to the AB because I was

one of its leaders, that was a betrayal.

It's interesting how people think when they're attempting to justify or rationalize the

damage to another human being.

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Chapter four, counterintelligence.

I'd love to get a better understanding of how your role within the brand shifted and

like how you rose in the leadership.

I mean, I was in more knife fights than anybody.

Was that in the control of resources?

Suddenly, the brand has available to it resources that it never had.

Like what?

Like book knives.

That's a hell of a resource in a controlled environment.

So I became one of those more influential members as a result when something needed to

be done.

Now, I've got the group coming to me and saying, what do you think about this?

How should we do this?

Can you give me an example?

Yeah.

You've got an altercation kicking off in the hall and on the mainline simultaneously.

It was going to be bloodshed.

This is between the black panthers, black relifamily, the airing brotherhood in the Mexican

mafia.

Just simultaneously go off in the hall and on the mainline.

So those members that are on the mainline take it upon themselves to attack these rival

gang members out there and their associates and in the whole, the same thing.

Orchestrating that takes skill, particularly when you're in the hole.

Orchestrating bringing knives in through the visiting room takes skill, maintaining a

status quo with staff takes skill.

People, they should get upset with me about talking to staff, but I had my motives.

That was not their mindset, their mindset was, you don't talk to staff, you don't talk

to staff.

Somebody will think you're ratting and I just tell them, I don't care what other people

think.

If I want to talk to them, I'm going to talk to them because I have something in mind

relative to what I'm doing.

And I did.

It was called counterintelligence and I utilized counterintelligence quite effectively.

As a result of my rapport with staff members.

Can you tell me a specific story of when you used counterintelligence in that way?

Well, I can.

We knew that we had somebody cooperating with the administration, with law enforcement

and I needed to find out who.

So what I did was I took four individuals that I suspected of working with staff.

I would pull them aside and I would give each individual a story.

Four different stories.

And then that information came back to me through another staff member.

Then I knew that that individual that I told that story to was what I referred to as a

conduit.

In other words, he was feeding information as a conduit to staff.

What were the things you would look for in a staff person that made you think, okay,

I can get this person in the pocket?

With staff, you have to gain inroads into their personality, their personal life, which

is not difficult.

If you're dealing with a Vietnam vet, the troubles he had in Vietnam, if he came back as many

of them did a heroin addict, it's a matter of feeding that addiction.

And then from that, you essentially have control over him and what you want him to do.

In other cases like with one particular lieutenant, he had a thing for women prostitutes.

So it was a matter of setting him up in a hotel room with prostitutes.

He was married.

And filming that, it was a matter of extorting those weaknesses, you know, to facilitate

what you wanted.

When you were kind of at the height of your powers in the brand, what did that look like?

What did you actually control in the prison?

Everything.

My basic idea was to create an infrastructure that was more along the lines of organized

crime.

I used the Italian Mafia as an example.

What it looks like is that you control the population.

We had old Folsom at that time and we had San Quentin.

We had Chino and a few other prisons.

The potential to generate revenues out of those prisons was enormous.

You're talking populations in the thousands, small cities.

You're controlling the jobs, drug trafficking, alcohol.

You have prostitution.

You have loans.

You have stores and you're controlling all that.

So that's why the FBI made that estimation that I'd taken $3.5 million out of the prison

that year.

I think that was an overestimate, but I didn't argue with it.

It sounded good.

And that was $3.5 million that went to various affiliates?

Yes.

Well, you figure 50,000 of that went to the ward and 10,000 for each shipment brought in

by a staff member.

So you have expenditures.

But by the same token, your members and your associates and those individuals that essentially

were referred to as your taking care of, and then the idea that if you have families

on the outside that they're being taken care of, rather than the members and their associates,

slamming drugs and partying essentially, I wanted a more disciplined organization that

was drug-free and alcohol-free and that was focused on generating revenues toward the

benefit of not only themselves, but their families.

And that was my approach.

Did you like being in the brands?

I don't know that I ever thought about that, but I understand why you're asking it and

how you're asking it.

Being in the brand was a 24-7 alert.

I was in more altercations than I can possibly count.

I was having to deal with staff.

I was having to deal with rival gangs.

I was having to deal with internal struggle, so there was no peace.

So my answer would have to be, even though I made this decision toward my survival that

it was, removed me from who I actually was.

And I didn't consciously think about that.

I wasn't happy.

I wasn't using drugs.

I wasn't self-medicating.

I don't drink.

I have enormous responsibility.

I probably like that, particularly within a controlled environment.

The idea that you're in a controlled environment and you're not supposed to be able to do certain

things, but you're doing them anyway.

The ego can get in your way relative to that.

And I don't think that I'm immune to that.

If I'm honest about my mindset and my sense of who I was at that time, there was a part

of me that thrived on it.

But the brand grew.

It sounds like.

Yes.

Like with your involvement.

Yes, it did.

You played kind of a pivotal role on that.

I did, yeah.

That's the problem.

It was Bretton Bourne and Stevens Greene, a lion's scorn.

I served my time to the suddenly grid, but I turned out to be.

But I turned out to be a rolling blade.

At 17, I took a wife.

I loved her dearly as I loved my life.

But for to keep her both fine and gay.

I went robbing.

I went robbing on the king's highway.

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My father cried.

Oh my darling son.

My wife she went.

Said I am undone.

My mother tore her white locks on cry.

Was in the cradle.

Was in the cradle.

You should have died.

And when I'm dead, I'm in my grave.

A flushing funeral prayer led me out.

Sixth time I bow for it carried me.

Give them good broadsorns.

Give them good broadsorns and sweet liberty.

Six pretty maidens to bear my fall.

Give them white gold and a flamin' door.

And when I'm dead, they will speak the truth.

He was a wild ant.

He was a wild ant we could use.

Coming up on the next episode of Blood Memory.

We knew he was in protective custody and there was essentially no way to get to him.

Linky's reasoning was, we can't get to him.

Let's kill his family.

He proposed the idea that his wife and child be assassined.

What did the others say?

To a man every one of them agreed with him.

Except me.

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