Episode 123: Hornsby and Halo #15 Deep Dive

0:00Hey, Ghost Machine fans, this one's for you. Welcome to the Ghost Machine fans podcast. Episode 123 Labor Day is in the past and that means as we walk down the aisles of our favorite department stores, the spooky decorations are already appearing on the shelves. It's time to rack out Monster Mash style with a Medi the Gordon, scrap the caju, nixie the vampire, Ila the swamp creature, to the tree giant and rode the patchwork monster. I'm Sago and I'm joined as always by my partner in Cram Nick. Are you ready for bir season? For what season? Bir season.

1:00We're in the bir months. September, October. Oh, I thought the bir season was when it's like bir, it's cold outside. Like I thought that was like a winter thing. It's supposed to start getting cold, but apparently the weather doesn't, didn't understand the assignment. Right, because usually Labor Day marks when things start to cool down and it's still darn hot here in the Midwestern United States. The only thing that we are left to do is to rock and roll Monster style. I thought that was great. Yeah, no, I'm excited about this issue. I liked it a lot. I liked the introduction of each of these characters as well as what if we refer back to the guidebook that they were in, what we can glean a little bit from that too. Yes, very cool, very cool, much excitement. Because we're talking about the dead towel.

2:02The first official rock and roll music group in the world of Ghost Machine, right? Like there's been no other musical thing yet. Has there? Yeah. Nothing in post apocalyptic or anything of that nature. Certainly nothing in the world of Rotaxiades, although now that we bring it up, it would be cool to think about what warden would be musically inclined. Not the turtle. No, maybe some sort of bird. Yeah, I mean, I could see that from rock, but I also could see it from the Ghost Warden, you know, because the goats say it's like scream. Oh, I meant like a new one. I think we would come up with the perfectly like what animal is somehow musically inclined. I don't know. Well, oh, interesting. Yeah, we don't know. That could be. That could be a lot of things. Me and my orca warden. But before snuggle becomes the orca warden, and we talk about the book we are here to deep

3:03dive into today, which is Horn's Be an Halo 15. We need to shout out a new friend of the show. And that is new to comics dot hq on Instagram. And the way that spelled is N E W the number two comics plural dot hq like headquarters, but just hq. And recently they did a cool top five favorite ghost machine covers real. And they were kind of not to collaborate with us on that, which we appreciate very much. And that's the whole point of our different various social media platforms in this show and everything else is to encourage community collaboration as such. So make sure to go check out a lot of very cool comic book content in general over there at newtocomix.hq on Instagram.

4:04But enough about our friends, but enough about our new friends who are strangers on the internet because snuggle is back in the newsroom. So huge news. According to internet site, what's on Netflix? Gaga is officially heading to Netflix sometime in the future. That's right. Netflix is looking for its next comic to screen adaptation. And they recently secured the screen rights to a handful of critically acclaimed graphic novels, including Gagger. And I am insanely, insanely excited about that. Wow, noises. Well, this is the type of thing they were talking about a couple of years ago.

5:05There was some like footage of a Jeep on a road that looked kind of like the images that Gary has drawn of a Jeep on a road. And that never materialized into my tunnel. And so this new development is super exciting. If you take a look at the details, you can go to our Instagram. And there's a recent post about it very clearly says, you know, Gagger is headed to Netflix. And there's a link in there that will take you to this particular article on what's on Netflix.com is like the website. And it explains that along with a couple of other graphic novels, critically acclaimed graphic novels, Gagger has been picked up by Netflix who has secured the rights to like make stuff up with them. You know, so there's that's it. So that there's not, you know, someone's, so it's been casted to the guy, Gagger, little bit. No, no, it's not that it's more like a significant entity has purchased the ability to create something

6:09with using this IP. And that could really mean some monumental things for ghost machine. Yeah, I'm really excited. I don't know. I have no idea. You know, I think that's the type of that's the type of thing that will have to to see how that plays out. Yeah. So what you're curious to see how much of it since we know that there is a red coat movie, yeah, essentially, potentially at some point, and if the script is done, if there could be some sort of a connection between the Netflix, Gagger show and the red coat movie. Yeah. Well, sometime in the future, we'll find out. That's right. Fortunately, we can't just time travel and figure out now. You can't, but we will find out soon. Keep your nose to the grindstone and your ear to the ground. And you will know as things develop because we are definitely going to let you know as we find out that being sub there's one more milestone to celebrate.

7:13You know, recently there was a Farland guy, Gagger action figure. Now there's a Netflix show. Well, heck, there's one more really amazing thing. It's not all that we have to share with everybody who's listening out there. And to me, this is a darn toot and neat thing to talk about. You know what it is? Of course I do. I have the breakdown of our episode. You do. And that is even though this isn't something that we place much of an emphasis on because this is a community mechanism, right? That's what these platforms are for us. But the Ghost Machine fans Instagram being our primary way of communicating with everybody has broken 3,000 followers. 3,000. 3,000. Yeah. 3,000. So big things popping over a Ghost Machine fans on Instagram.

8:16We really appreciate that. And to thank everybody for their support over the course of this two and a half years that we have now been doing this, we are going to go ahead and give away a handful of good stuff. We're going to give away a Jeff John's flying comic book. I'm going to give away a joke or a Joe trade paperback. And I'm going to give away at the Blizzard trade paperback all in one giveaway, but three winners. So today, this episode airs on Wednesday, September 9th and the giveaway is going to launch Thursday, September 10th. Check out Instagram for all the details and it's going to run for like six days, but all the information is going to be on there. No. Yeah. It's really, really neat. Way. Super, super cool. But enough about all these crazy things and milestones because today we're here to talk about the first full appearance of a whole slew of new cool and monstrous characters. But we have to talk about the covers for this book first.

9:19So snuggle, can you tell us a little bit about the A cover for Hornsby and Halo 15? Our A cover is the whole band. Just front and center. It's got Zach and Rose on it with the whole band. And I really like at the bottom where it says coming out you live and then in parentheses, mostly the dead towns. That's pretty cool. Super cool. And that's Peter's favorite and John Kalise on colors. What about that B cover? Well, that's Frances Portala with another negative space cover, but this one is a Medi the Gorgon and she's doing like a really hard core rock it out. Type of deal. She reminds me of like Lisa. Yeah. Lisa Bonet. Lisa Bonet. And she's rocking out like this and she makes me think of like Lisa Bonet in high fidelity.

10:23That's something. Yeah. Which is very specific, but I said red locks, which are actually stakes, but it's very cool cover though for sure. And Brad Anderson did the colors on this one. Pretty dope. Very, very cool. And then we have another one of these designs, get covers of Frances Manopouls for the C cover, right? Yes. And I love these. Yeah, they're fun, especially from Frances. We know from the guidebook that his name is Rodi and he's referred to as the Pat to work monster. And we're going to talk about him more in this issue, obviously, but this is like his his get designed very from Frances Manopoul. And he's also the head Rodi, right? I think the only Rodi, but also the head Rodi. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe he can summon little Rodis. Maybe there's more to that. And those are the three fine covers available to you for the issue we are deep diving into

11:25today, which makes this your spoiler pause for horns being halo 15. 15. It's creator roll call time. So we've got the Peters Peter J. Tomassi and Peter Schnapper are creators are a color artist is John Colise our King of letters is back in action. Rob Lee got our designers to black well and front of the show editor Brian Cunningham. It's an all star cast and as a reminder, we're picking up after the unbelievable summer event has concluded, even though it's still really, really, really hot. But that being said, we get a little bit of reference to it in this issue, but it's

12:29a new arc and that's I really liked that. I feel like that was a great event. A lot happened in it. We got to see a lot of the funnels while in fantastic art. And there was a really cool useful bonding. I have, I think in comics, there's this feeling that dedicated readers to a title get when the crossover is over and you get to go back to reading a normal issue and you're like, yeah, that's mine. And you like that. It's back to the not crossed over stuff. And so that's the way that this felt. Yeah, very good. So we're back in warwick, New York. And it begins at Akram and Lake, which by the way, first panel is super cool. It's obviously dust, but that moon looks very suspicious, very eerie. And we get to see some like tabpole looking creatures slither out of the lake.

13:30And that's kind of all we get for that. Yeah, it's like they bubble up out of the lake and then they actually leave it like, like little leech look and evil creatures. And that's, I think that's really like you're saying, like that's how we really get for that this whole issue, right? Yeah. You don't know what these creatures are about. Whatever it is, it's evil. It's an evil moon and they look evil. So now we're with Tucker and Pepper back in Sydney's house and they're doing some stuff with some wild, pseudo-tech, magic tech that they have. And they're trying to locate Sydney, aka the adjudicator. I like how this is very comical. Like yeah, it's all serious, but for instance, you know, they're trying to cross reference in like this very technical things. And Tucker's like, I am crossing and Pepper says you're mashing Tucker.

14:30Because he's a dog, you know, like he has dog paws. So they they determined that Sydney is about 238,900 miles away from Earth, which makes sense because we know he's like on the moon rolling around in a purple, just like cell thing. And Tucker, one step tell the kids, I look out, Yuri, these panels look too. But the blue crackling lights are magical. And then the panel with both of the, you know, Tucker and Pepper and their eyes are just completely white. The Tucker says we should tell the kids. And Pepper says, wow, let's first make sure he's there. And then we got to convince him to come back. And they're talking about Sydney. Yeah. The other thing is you don't see as much of a sense of Pepper is evil and Tucker is

15:32good now. They seem, they seem like on the same level of just let's go with our mission type of thing. Yeah. That's pretty much all we see with them in this issue as well. So we get little hints and hints, but then we get our main storyline. And that's back to Zach and Rose. And they're on the bus on the way to school. Also, by the way, another great use of shadow to our creators here because you can tell that it's morning light. I can't really explain that, but like the lights just kind of wak enough. That's like the bus. Yeah, inside the bus. I think that's pretty cool. That's true. Yeah, that's very much like, let's go, let's go. Like it's not, it's not at all subdued or calm. Yeah. It's like the school day. But we start to see these various aggressive behaviors happen.

16:36I think because everybody's on the bus, but then there's also some folks that are walking across the street because right now the bus has stopped and there's a crossing guard. And there's this bully dude who says something like really rude stuff and can actually like kicks her kicks the crossing guard. I'm not your sweetheart. Am I God says you're not allowed to tell me what to do. And then the cross guard calls him a spoiled brat. I really like in this panel as well in the background because they're both kind of acting crazy. And there's like a burger joint called crazy burger. Hmm, crazy burger. And then good wins produce is next to Trisha's cut and whatever and Trisha and good win. Sean are about to get into a fight too. So we're starting to see a trend of aggression. There's something causing the people of the town to be aggressive and angry towards one another.

17:36Yeah, she's great up pushes this man like Jesus Louise on the tomatoes. I know. On those. On those fresh produce. Well, he's carrying the tomatoes and that's just all over. This game over for the tomatoes. You know, they bring it easy. That's not bad for him. Then we got one or more who punches the postman truck. Now she swings her bag. That's a very grandma move. And it's another situation though where aggression comes from nowhere. So it seems like there was like a misunderstanding between the two at the food stand, but then that way escalated and now this woman is really angry even though she has plenty of her into cross the street. So we don't get a reason why this. Errant aggression is happening yet, right? Correct. Okay. But then we're back at the school and they there's like a ton of birds that congregate, which I think is adorable and they're just tweeting.

18:41Yeah, she compares them to a Disney prince because that makes a lot of sense that they. Yeah. Because you can angel to the birds, stay around them at all times. And she calls them Dr. D little. Keep at it in order than to poop, do you find your demonic head? I like this because they still have their teasing banter, but you can tell they are genuinely becoming friends. So then we see another act of aggression, which is, I don't know if it's related or not, because this guy just seems like a bully all the time and this dude in the hallway knocks some of these books over and then looks like Rose is about to roast the guy until Zach makes her realize that she's got the flame fist. I think it's interesting when she's these red panels, like the way she sees them is like this eerie red filter. But do you see that squiggly line? Yes, yeah, like the light, the light, you can see his eyes and then there's something tying

19:45down to the rest of them. I wonder if that squiggly line is those snake things. Not sure because when Zach looked at the like you're talking about the bully, we're talking about the bully ghost machine fans, the guy that knocks down their friend and their friend's name is Wal. It seems like the guy who's being a jerk has named Ben and when Zach looks at Ben, he also sees essentially like through him, but instead of it being like a glowing light, it's like this darkness that's flowing down into him. And then there's something evil. Yeah, it's very scary looking, especially because like I don't know if it's symbolic or anything, but there's like a darkness right over his heart. And he looks demonic. But maybe that's what's up. Maybe the slithering snakes are demonic somehow. Maybe, maybe I'm not sure because I was thinking it could be literal like there's something inside this guy or Zach and Rose have their own ways of like reading people and their

20:51nature. And that's the way of seeing like deep down, he's real messed up. Yeah. But I think there's more to it than that. Yeah. Could be determined because Ben pushed him on purpose on purpose. And at the end of the day though, Rose tells him to hold off because he's got the glowing and too, but just the blue flame glowy hand and they both like the continuing theme here is that they learned about things together and they have it experiences similarly and together as they go. Yeah, that's nice. But guess what? Let me turn the page and who do we see? The dead tens, then. Yeah, man. What would you like to order? Yeah. And it's a big tour event. That's pretty cool. But it's the roadie guy driving it and they're ordering fast food. 40. Okay.

21:51One first and foremost, 40 cheeseburgers, 40 burgers in 40 large fries. And there is like what? Five or six of them? Yeah, it's probably what they'll eat for the next four meals. I guess. Well, like that. They're brock stars, man. They're monster rock stars. And they need that and they're chocolate shakes. That's funny. Yeah. And lots of chocolate shakes. You guys are even supposed to buy the number for that. But then they're inside and they're in the tour bus. It looks like Ila is drumming away on a digital deal. Next to the vampire sleep in, who the tree guy is looking like a bassist real mellow. Then, high, you, he's a guitarist. And then Mette is eating with Rodi and they are talking and their conversation gives us a lot of information. And you think he's sweet on her? I don't know.

22:53I think they have a unique relationship. Also, she reprosed to him as Vic. So it makes me wonder if his name is Victor, like Victor Frankenstein. Yeah, because in the guidebook, it's R-O-D-I and his name, a towering patchwork monster with a gentle soul. He's the band's Rodi, R-O-A-D-I-E. But she calls him Vic. Nickname. Could be, right? Because it looks like Victor Frankenstein. They're talking and the thing that sticks out is there is a panel where she lifts her blindfold. Because she wears a blindfold all the time because she's a Gorgon and just like Medusa. A Gorgon, if they look at you, they turn you to stone. And so she looks to him and by pulling her blindfold up, while they're chatting and nothing happens when she does that. And this is where I go. This is a pretty intimate conversation, in my opinion, because she likes being able to

23:59look into someone's eyes. Because let's be honest, he's probably the only person she's ever looked into their eyes. And then he looks real sad and he says, but they're dead eyes. And she says not to me. Off so sweet. I think that is insightful, though, because that probably is that her ability does not work on someone who is not alive or someone who doesn't have a soul or something like that. Well, I would guess not alive because our dude definitely has a soul. Sure, but is it in this body or whatever? I don't know. I agree. They definitely seems like they're vibing and she feels something for him. Yeah, because he says want to know a secret and he's never cried from his eyes. So not one and he said nope. And then she looks real sad and said, well, consider yourself lucky, Vic.

25:02I've lost count how many times I've cried. And by the way, so is there band and emo band? I took the detail of I've never cried from these eyes as an indicator that his consciousness was placed in this body from somewhere else. Or the brain. Yeah, yeah. You know, the eyes, the eyes aren't his, but the brain is. She's reading some of the Richard Kippling. They look like they have a rapport in terms of that. She also says to him, remember how much you like the jungle book? And he starts to say before they get accosted by drug dealers, Ricky Tiki Tavi was my fave. And so if you know Ricky Tiki Tavi, it's a story about something that is not nearly as dangerous as something else, being able to easily outsmart and out with it and defeat it. Right? It's about Mangauses and Cobraids.

26:02Mangauses are pretty fierce predators though. They take down the Cobra. Yeah, they do. They do. They do. And so apparently wherever they were parked or near or whatever is there's like some drug dealers with some automatic weapons that want them to either ski that all or buy the, for their product, I guess. But at first they think it's someone else. They said, think the M.A. found us. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The band, the dead tones think the M.A. could have found them. And if you refer back to the guidebook right up about that, the M.A. is the Monster Accord, which is a secret society that governs monster bloodlines around the world. And if you recall, they were all at the age that you get inducted into said Monster Accord

27:04where you're supposed to quote, write in humanity, protect fear as a resource and never question why. And all five of them were like, no, we don't want to conform to these age or tradition of monsterism and evil. And they all bounced. They're punk. Right. They're punk, man. Yeah. That's the idea. Right. They're punk, man. It's true. That's exactly right. And this is again, he's protective over her because she's like, I'm going outside to talk and he said, no, me first, you say inside. Because let's be honest, even before what's about to happen, I'm like, he probably can't like die. Right. I don't think he can. And he goes out there to confront these looks like five guys with guns and they shoot him. And then they're threatening to shoot everybody in the tour bus, but everybody jumps out

28:10in fierce monster mode before they get a chance. Really, awesome splash page by Peter and John, most of the, not the whole page, but at the top three quarters, when they'll, when everybody jumps out of that bus. Yeah, that's cool. I liked how you can see the vampire transforms a bit. Anyway, we see a lot of cool abilities come out of this fight in a moment. 100% first of all, that's movie poster quality. I love the green glow. Yes, yes, yes. And imagine like, okay, drug dealers bad, right? Just the drug dealers just start shooting. You see all the blank land and the bulls are there. Oh my god. And then we get the page here, the shadows. That is so cool. That's the Kaiju. Tangu Kaiju guy. A bit Bruce could teach us about Kaiju and more as an anime lover, but this is a big

29:14gunfight. There's automatic weapons. There's BRRRTs from Rob. There's BLAMs from Rob and there's BUDBAs from Rob, which are all three different, like firing weapons, you know? Yeah. And it looks like that the skip has this power to be able to thrust people into seeing like their worst nightmare or something like that. But ultimately, Vic, Slash, Rodi, R is just not having it. I like how he says it when he picks one of them up over the top of his head getting ready to throw him. I hate guns more than fire because in the myth, those fire is Frankenstein's primary weakness, I believe. So there's some again, sort of like a comic release because monsters aren't real.

30:18They can't be any just sits back up and goes, you shot me. Yeah. That's awesome. And I like how Ila says never mess with the head, Rodi. That's probably like a rock and roll thing. And then she looks so cool or a temperamental band. Yeah. And this is where you see, because she's from the swamp, but she controls like water creatures and stuff. And she's got like webbed ears, like a water creature webbed water ears or whatever. Yeah. Kind of like Merah from Aquaman, but cooler and from the swamps. And punk. Yeah. All punk. Then one of them is coming after Maddie thinking he can get her because she's calling her quote blind, but that's obviously not the case because it looks to me like she can even see through the eyes of her snakes.

31:18She got blindy and you just hiss. I've got plenty of eyes to see idiots like you. How terrifying. Well, we do get the first of two hints then they're going to let the people live and they're making a point of it. And that's when the vampire has two of them in the air and she says, considers yourself lucky that I took youth lying instead of biting because that would have presumably killed them. And the tree guy is cool. He's like a tree ant nature guy. That's pretty me. And he's like doing like massive. He can like shift his form and all that kind of stuff and he destroying the drug lab. And that's cool. I'm big in it all. But he kind of collects all the thugs into a pile and makes the point of saying and aside from some broken bones and being knocked on catches, these guzzballs should rise

32:21and shine in a few hours. And so that's like the also the second mentioned of like they're not going to kill them. Good guys or whatever. You know how they're in that pile. You think you just and they're kind of wrapped up in the lens. Is he just going to like cut that part of his tree hands off? Oh, I don't know. I have questions. I don't know. I'll let him do what he wants. That's true. But they're like as you can report us and they're like, no, that's a drug lab. They're going to all act like something crazy happened and try to hide it. I do like our vampire. I tried to be in on the radar simply for choosing our own past. And she's talking about what I was saying from the guidebook, which is where they didn't grow with the accord tradition. And that's where skip responds by saying stop your sobbing, Nick. We disturbed the way things go. The way things have always been for a thousand years.

33:24And that's to remind us of the fact that hey, yeah, they're on the run or a reason. Yeah, they are. And you know what? Our families expected obedience, not free will. I like free will over being a sheep. Nice. It's like after their battle, they have a nice little heart to heart. Yep, they're still happy to be pongs, man. But then guess what? We're right back to where we start with Rose. Time for Zachary and Rose to have their shared experience of this issue. Oh, yes. They are their dream and she's dreaming. She's dreaming lots of rage. It's like a dream of becoming evil demon lady and talk her wonderful pop. Like, like, like, like, like her and wakes her up out of it and tells her to wake up because she is dreaming and that's probably would have been bad if she did whatever she was going

34:26to do next. Yeah. And then same thing happens to Zach and he needs to judge them all. Yeah. And in a lot of those panels, it looks, well, I guess some of it looks like his mom and dad, but there's others too. And that's, it's like these dreams are like an overbearing sense of the nature weighing upon them, right? Like this is what your purpose is. This is what you have to do. You have to judge everybody who's not doing the right thing. You know, you have to burn everybody who is giving into their hate, their anger, blah, blah, blah. And also pepper, pepper jumps on his head to wake him up. Same thing. And he's got a text message. Need to talk. The clubhouse Tommy T gave us. Yeah. I mean, they could go ahead and just give it a name like the clubhouse. It is extremely cool, but they go to their superhero base. They climb down in there. There's even a rock accident pinball machine.

35:33And she is like, she's trying to sleep out of nowhere, voices in her head, right? So she's starting to be a little freaked out. And he would, he opens up to her, right? And she's like a cool Tommy Moore and he's like you first, you first, you called. Ultimately though, she does divulge the rest of the information as they are descending into the sub basements. Yeah. And then we get our Vinnie machine. Yeah, Vinnie machine that he's trying to get a Hershey bar out of an Enriquex of this pinball machine. And it looks like something else is an arcade game on the right. I can't tell what that is. You know, she's talking about how she feels like she has a radar vision of people like the kind of soldiers see at night with special goggles. He compares it to infrared.

36:34It kind of reminds us of what we saw with Ben, the jerk. Yeah. And then they're talking about the voice, they're comparing it, right? And like we've had these instances before where they've both lost memory over the course of the night, then they end up doing stuff together and then they don't know how they got there, stuff like that. Well, here's another shared experience. And she says, what about the voice? And he says just like yours, I guess except it was my angel one. It was direct hard. It said the people I was looking at were hollow and worthy and that I had every right to judge them. So they're like taking this in a very mature way where they're basically saying is one if every time we see anybody, these things in our nature want to judge other people with like fire and brimstone or in gel like divine energy or whatever, we have to make sure we don't do anything crazy. And I love they just basically make a pact.

37:38No judging, no punishing pinkie swear. That's the old love this. And it's like, okay, so we're not going to punish anybody. We're not going to judge anybody. And that means that we're a little concerned that sometimes we're going to be put in positions where we might not be able to stop ourselves. So the other one's going to have to help. And then they say, because remember Tommy did all this and he was hoping they would help try to find more unbelievable. So on the very last panel, we get the two of them saying, okay, how about we clear our heads and follow up on what Tommy's unbelievable folders works for me. Looks like the dead tones next tourist stops not going to be too far from us. Hey, look at it's time for a concert. Look, they don't like it. Like for tickets on ticket master. Yeah, right. Okay. Another fantastic issue. The was once the family out of seas and is now the world of the unbelievable.

38:40Definitely makes me want to learn more about what's going to happen with the dead tones. And I think it will be really fun for the dead tones to meet up with the R2 favorite Ghost Machine teenagers. Yeah, same. But before we wrap up this episode of the Ghost Machine fans podcast, we have a fantastic male from a friend of the show. Oh, would you like to read some fantastic miles? Yes. So this is from machine X figures on Instagram who writes, yo, so is president Griffin, like the multi man or something. And he attached a picture of Griffin recently taking off his glove with the yellow, like low east stuff at the end of the guy, your 24, right? Yeah, the real situation issue is 25s coming. Also, machine X has made like a lot of really cool Lego figures from different universities,

39:44the tongue of Ghost Machine ones should check out his content. He's been on fan content Friday a whole bunch of times too. We also talk a lot about like what's our theories are about different things in the universe. And so he's talking about the last page of Geiger 24 where we see president Griffin's throwing on up the to rig after he's been basically taken down and he's taken his glove off and you see that yellow, glowy stuff. I guess that kind of makes sense being like a multi man because Tyreeks, a glowing man, right? And he got these powers from the explosion, right? So what if this is just a different form of that? Yeah, a different form of radiation. Yeah, maybe not even like maybe his is like the multi like the super heat from an explosion. Sure.

40:45Yeah, a different aspect of a nuclear event per se. I was thinking to some effect, something similar. I was thinking more so that maybe his physiology was just mutated in a different way. And for whatever reason, I'm sure we could find out. And that perhaps he actually like absorbs radioactive energy. And I don't know that for a fact, but in the previous issue when he was trying to follow him, we had a point where he like stopped the Jeep and got out of the Jeep and then he went to where he could find Tyreeks trail like literally like on the ground like a footprint. Mm hmm. And he took his glove off and he touched that and then he had this yellow glow as if something was reacting when he's near that energy. And so I think either absorbs stuff to get power because he's always like wanting to find him, but he's not like wanting to find Tyreeks because he wants to get vengeance because Tyreek killed his wife or like there we don't know why.

41:48Other than that he is the enemy of the Las Vegas people and also Griffin is the enemy of the Las Vegas people or at least not friends with them. And so that means that who knows why he might want to get to Tyreek. He may want to be friend to Reek and make him an ally to take over the Vegas people to stop them. But it seems it's more like it has something to do with his power because as soon as he's walking up to Tyreeks he's taking that glove off and we see that yellow energy. I think that it could also be like negative energy or something like that because his physical appearance reminds me a little bit of that character from the Doom Patrol. And I've always felt like he's kind of also a little bit of a no-bash to the aesthetic of the invisible man. So we don't know but what's nice about it is it's to the point where there's enough people that are digging this stuff that the conversations like this can be had. 100% and I bet we'll find out.

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