Episode 27: First Pull Request, WillOS, WinGet Discovery & More

Welcome everybody to episode 27 of the Duaboo Diaries, the weekly podcast where two long-time

windows users try to learn to use Linux daily, I'm one of your co-hosts to Adam.

I'm your other co-host, Will, and we're not Linux experts.

We save this every week, but it's important to reinforce that because sometimes I think

people in the comments maybe don't appreciate that.

Each week we go through our experiences of using Linux daily and the whole show culminates

theoretically in us, leading one or both of our partitions, maybe moving into the woods

and moving on with our lives and away from computers entirely.

Or we have breaking news, maybe we book by one of those new $600 Macbooks and just Mac

MacOS for the masses.

What do you mean I hear about that?

It's all over the internet right now, as the day of full recording this $600 Macbook.

Yeah, it's like the cheapest Macbook you can get.

It's like a Macbook Chromebook.

It's a Macbook for the rest of us.

Yeah, look at that.

Steve Jobs rolling over in his grave.

Maybe we should all just switch to Mac.

So I was looking at M1 Macbook prices because my daughter's laptop's getting a little long

in the tooth and she needs it for school and I was like, oh, maybe I'll buy her a used

like M1 or M2 Macbook and they hold price incredibly well.

It turns out they do not like used ones are not super inexpensive despite being like four

years old at this point.

Especially the M series, I would imagine.

You step one year back to the very last Intel one and nobody wants to probably get that

for dirt cheap.

Well, so on the Mac mini side, I priced them out because of the blue bottles thing and

to get something that runs whatever the latest version of Mac OS that you need to get

like the full text message, I message experience with blue bottles was like 300, 400 bucks,

I think, but but also you could get one year older than that and they were like $55

for the Mac mini.

Kind of an okay little home lab box if you don't mind dealing with Mac OS, I guess.

Yeah.

Well, it sounds like more and more people are also dealing with Windows 11.

I don't think that's true.

It's true.

Nope.

I have a link down in the description.

There was a new report recently from Tom's hardware when Tom's hardware says Windows

11 continues to gain traction and hit 75% market share.

Now, they're pulling the numbers amazingly from a website called what is this stat counter

by global stats.

I've seen this before, it's I'll put this link in the description as well.

It's an interesting chart kind of plotting out the market share.

I don't know how they report these numbers.

It's based on web traffic if I recall.

Okay.

But like at some point, what was this June 2025?

There was a crossover between Windows 10 and Windows 11.

They kissed.

Yeah, like finally, oh, Windows 11 has pretty much crossed over.

And then it kind of plateaued for the rest of the year and then all of a sudden the past

month or two, like it just shot up like crazy.

Like Windows 10 is finally on the way out, I guess, like in hard numbers.

My assumption is that Microsoft did the, hey, your computers at risk pop up on Windows

10 installs.

I mean, it stopped that for a while though.

Yeah, but look, they've been AB testing for a long time.

They finally found one that really hits.

This number tends to squiggle up and down a fair amount to based on how people use computers

and like, you know, the February, maybe more people were, I don't know.

It's a big jump.

I've never seen a jump this big on one of these graphs before.

So it's a remarkable change.

Now, what do you want to point out?

Windows 7 also saw the last 3.8% of its market share road in that same month.

Oh, dang it, yeah, the last of the go hanging on for dear life.

Yeah, the interesting thing here, they don't have Linux on this chart at all.

I just don't see it.

I don't, there's other dotted, but I think it's invisible.

I can't, I can't see the line.

Well, but also I don't, I think the, so that this chart itself is desktop Windows version

market share.

So this is, this is only reporting Windows.

There is a Mac OS if you get, if you scroll down under the chart, you can view my other

operating systems.

There's Mac OS, iOS, Android, and that's it.

So they're not even reporting, I guess, on, wait, no, if you go to operating system market

share worldwide, then you have Android number one, 47, 36.02, Windows 32%, iOS 17%, unknown,

7.85%, and OS 10, 3.4%.

And Linux 1.36, kind of a little bit of a dip this month, too, if I'm being real.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little bit of a dip, it looks like the peak was January last

year, 1.93, and then down to 1.36, that's actually kind of a sharp decline.

Yeah.

I don't read too much into these, into these things.

I feel like unknown is probably also a big chunk of Linux or something else, too.

Well, but also unknown is tracking up hard.

It could be like, maybe people bought a bunch of LG TVs, you know, it's impossible to

say.

Or weas, maybe they're connecting their old ways back to the internet.

Yeah, somebody found a cache of we browser disks and started jamming them into old weas

in there, doing some hot 480p browsing.

But that's not Linux.

I mean, it's true.

Well, but I mean, to go back to the OS 10 thing, I guess, yeah, I haven't seen this chart

specifically, so I guess I'll put this link in the chart for the operating systems worldwide.

I thought OS 10 would have been bigger.

And like this thing, this thing has gone down.

Like, looks like the peak was, what, November 2023 at like 9.3%, and now it's down at 3.4%,

like, that's a big decline.

Remember, this is, this is based on web traffic, if this is based on, you know, data from

web, web, you know, web statistics packages reporting back OSs, that other is probably

crawlers.

The unknown is probably like like AI, open AI and anthropic crawlers, which by all reports

are killing small websites right now, just by bombarding them with traffic constantly.

So that would be that, that increase aligns with that and like the bumps when, when like

open AI does a big scan of the web, I don't, I don't read to, like if they're, if they're

counting that, those numbers into the 100%, it's going to impact to the other numbers

as well, because they're going to go up and down and as a result of that, that scraper

number going up.

So yeah, I don't, like I said, I wouldn't reach much into this.

I mean, it's always interesting to look at charts and graphs, right?

Yeah.

I love a graph.

But I mean, I didn't, I didn't create a slideshow for what I've been working on or any

charts or pie charts.

Yeah.

Maybe you should be like, how much of your time spent was dealing with Neary?

That's going to be the biggest part of the pie.

You said, baby.

Nope.

Nope.

That's going to be like 99%.

It's going to look like Pac-Man, then the other percentage is just going to be the

rest of this.

What it'll be is then there's a bigger circle, it's like time saved by tiling window manager

and then that other little circle is just a dot inside that big giant circle.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Saving, saving so much time.

All right.

Tell me what you've been working on, Will, because I want to know.

I've resolved.

This week I've resolved from some longstanding issues.

I've had some, I've had some wins.

I've had some dubs.

I've had, I've taken some Ls.

I've taken a big step as a, as a human being contributing to the larger community.

But let's start with the, with the easy dubs.

I got to eventually resolve fixed.

There was a, I talked about it last week, I think briefly, but there was an X, X,

Wayland, satellite, bug that basically when you were dragging stuff around inside the

DaVinci UI, like so if you drug, say a, if you had the media been open and you had all your

files in there and then you drug them, drug a file into the timeline and you drug it

slow, it would work, but if you went too fast, it would crash.

And apparently what was happening was DaVinci was sending updates too quickly for the Wayland

satellite, which is a thing that like converts X windows to Wayland for different compositors.

And it was sending them too fast for that, like it bugged out.

So they released an update for that in December, the X Wayland satellite team released an update

for that and it just hadn't been packaged for arch until like literally this morning.

I checked last night, it wasn't there.

I checked this morning.

I updated before we started, it works now.

I can run DaVinci Resolve, so that's pretty exciting.

Wow.

The only issue, I thought you had one other issue going on.

So the other issue I fixed a long time ago, the other issue was just, I had to add a flag

to my neary config to like say, hey, use this for this and that was fine.

That same bug fixed some jittering in the UI that I had had before, I didn't know those

were both related, but basically it was both, it was, this was a problem because I think

DaVinci Resolve is an X app that runs on Wayland kind of, but you have to, like it's basically

translation layer issues, what it sounds like.

So that's good.

Well, because we're quick DaVinci, like, and I can't remember because I looked a while ago,

when you go to download the Linux version, what is it, what is it natively support?

So they package, I think, Debs and they support, they would support something weird in

addition to Ubuntu, Oroki Linux and OS.

Oroki is a, is a Debian or Ubuntu specific version of Debian or Ubuntu.

Yeah.

I think.

Yeah.

I don't know.

But anyway, yes.

So that's working.

Pretty stoked about that.

I think now that it's actually working, I'm going to buy a copy because I've been kind

of waiting because it has been a little janky.

Oh, you've been mostly using the free version?

Yeah.

I will say, so I've been mostly using the free version of Windows because it wasn't

working on Linux.

I haven't actually tested it at all because it literally, literally the patch dropped and

I rebooted just before I got in the call here today.

So I opened it up and drugged the window around.

I was like, oh, it works.

Okay.

So now we'll find out what's broken next, I guess.

So that's good.

I had a little bit of an L on Friday.

I started up the stream machine to do my Friday night stream.

And I got a, actually this might have been on Monday, but anyway, it worked on Friday.

Monday, I opened it up and it was like, hey, OBS enhanced broadcasting doesn't support

your video card.

And I was like, wait, what?

Which is currently an AMD GPU currently an AMD GPU worked fine the last like two, three

weeks.

Was there an update for the system or OBS hasn't updated the system has an updated I think

it's something on the Twitch enhanced broadcasting side.

So I think that OBS sends them information about your system, then you send it, they send

information back and like there's something in that conversation that's not working right.

So I got to get to the bottom.

That's on my homework for next week.

Do you have a Twitch rep that you can talk to or no, I used to.

I don't know that I do anymore.

I'm not a, I'm not that big a deal over there these days.

I don't know if you, you're big deal to me.

I appreciate that.

But like, um, if anybody has any ideas on that, I would, I would welcome suggestions

because it's like the documentation for this enhanced broadcasting stuff is really bad.

I think I can go into the Twitch, I have a, I have a, I'm a member in the Twitch partners

discord with the other 50,000 partners or whatever it is.

So I can probably go ask over there and they can, they typically will bump me up to somebody

who could help with stuff.

So.

And that's especially knowing that it was working and then immediately just, you know, just

randomly just, nope, it does not work in anywhere.

Like my, it wouldn't, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if I fired up next time and it just

works.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, what's your fallback?

What did you do?

I did 1440p60 at 10 megabits and that was all I sent and nobody complained.

Oh, you just didn't do the, I just didn't handle broadcasting.

So the people on TV's and phones don't get like fast encodes, basically.

Okay.

Honestly, though, I thought you were going to say you, you had to like boot into Windows

or something.

But yeah, that's not a bad fallback.

No, no, no.

And honestly, the Twitch enhanced broadcasting stuff prohibits you from doing things like

streaming to YouTube or other platform, like, like multi streaming.

So like in reality, it's funny.

Somebody asked a few weeks ago if I was going to try out the blue sky.

There's an AT protocol, Twitch clone type thing, somebody asked if I was going to support

that.

So I might actually fire up the multi casting plug-in and try sending to both of those

and see what it's like.

See if I get people watching over on Blue Sky or, you know, on the AT.

I'll be curious to hear how that goes because on the full nerd, we actually used to use,

it was one of the services where you would actually send the stream up to the cloud and

the cloud stream or something like that.

These re-stream, yeah, yeah.

And so like early on and at full nerd days, we broadcasted to Twitch, YouTube and Facebook

back when Facebook was pushing live video.

And yeah, we just dropped off because it was kind of hard to monitor all of them.

So we just put everything on YouTube.

But I do wonder now if that's different, like if we should be streaming again to other

places.

I think, I mean, I think on game stuff, it makes sense to stream to Twitch.

I don't know that the talk show category for non-gaming content is particularly big on

Twitch.

But honestly, it may be a situation where we're missing audience because like a lot of people

live in their ecosystems and don't leave their ecosystems, so it's maybe worth experimenting

way.

It would be easy enough to do.

Can you, stupid question, can you broadcast to Discord?

You can do audio into Discord through those stages things, but it's only audio.

It's only audio.

You can broadcast into channels, but channels have an upper limit of viewers of like 128,

I think, into the like voice channels, voice and voice and video channels.

But also those people can all talk when they're in those channels.

So that might be bad for the health of the call.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, that's not exactly which way.

It'd be curious because we actually do have a number of people in the full nerd and

sorry.

We're crossing the stream.

Yeah, we're doing stuff.

We're doing work here.

Yeah.

But like there are a number of people who watch on YouTube, but have the chatter in Discord.

They don't participate in the YouTube chat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Trying to find, you know, other audiences.

Yeah.

Anyway, we should get back to it.

Yeah.

But you know, maybe we'll just run on Linux.

Maybe just run on Linux.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, look, I made a case when we rebuilt the office stream machine to put that thing

on Linux and you were like, oh, hell no.

And I was like, well, okay, coward.

That's fine.

I mean, that was under a different day.

So, yeah, things are changing.

So, you know what?

Let's do it.

Who knows?

Yeah.

I mean, I will say that that stream machine has reached, like I managed to, I saved sessions

so that like when it fires up, it just has OBS big on one side and my stream, my bot

running big on the other side.

The only stuff I have to do to make that a clienty that I can just control it entirely

with my stream decks from the other machine now is to set some like shutdown scripts on

it.

And like that's basically everything.

Like, I just need to write a script that closes OBS like nicely so it doesn't pop up

the, hey man, OBS crash last time you ran it.

Do you want to, you sure you want to start it with plugins?

And then I'll have a turn it up, turn on the machine, make sure my monitors turned on for

the thing, for the, for the, from the main computer, because I usually turn the, the third

display off the one that goes to the capture card.

And then hit the go live button and I can go live without mouse and keyboard or anything

on that machine, which is quite nice.

So I totally forgot what district are you using on that stream box.

That's cashy, but it's the kitty plasma version.

Okay.

So my other thought too, not to rebuild everything, but like, you could maybe to further

make it an appliance, like find a more stable distro, like a LTS version or something that,

if that worked.

So I didn't, you wouldn't get rolling updates.

I did that originally, I originally had, let's see Ubuntu studio on it, the studio

version of the OS.

The challenge there is that the features that I use in OBS need to be relatively current,

because like the, like getting, getting both Twitch enhanced broadcast and browser support

and the VLC plugin, all of which I use on the rag was challenging on the OBS studio version

of OBS, because they were on like, I think the, the current version of OBS is like 32 point

something.

Is that right?

So 0.4 and OBS studio was on 30, I think 30.2 or 30.02 or something like that.

It was like two main versions back, which is like going back in time to 2021, probably

it's, it was old, it was old versions of the software anyway.

So okay.

So that was the, that was the L. I took the L there.

I did not have time to take apart that framework laptop.

That's on my list for next week again.

I did, I made my first pull request, Adam.

I'm a contributor relations, you're a your contribute, so you got, you have your name

somewhere.

It's on, it's on the GitHub for the liquid control software, which is used on both Windows

and Linux.

Fan control has a plugin for liquid control that lets you get your AIO temperatures for

like NZXT and some other fan AIOs.

And I was looking at support for the, I have the, that ASUS Ryugin 3 AIO, it's, but it's

white.

It's so, it's important to know that it's the white one has a screen.

They supported Ryugin 2 and then somebody about six months ago was like, hey, it looks

like the Ryugin 3 is exactly the same like protocol to talk to it as the Ryugin 2s.

We just need to add hardware IDs and like, and set the kind of the range of, of the controls

for things like the fan, the fan.

So okay, step, step back.

This AIO reports temperature, it reports the radiator, the, the pump speed.

You can change the pump speed and you can, temperature of the, what the liquid, the liquid.

Okay.

It also has a fan that mounts in the kind of head unit that goes on top of the CPU slot

to blow air around the VRMs and stuff like that.

That fan is, if you run that fan at full speed, it runs at like 6,000 RPMs and it sounds

like a jet engine.

It's really, really loud.

Yeah.

So you want to be able to control that and I had been, and it does, it's not like a fan

header or something, you control it with the ASUS software in Windows.

That wasn't obviously working for me here.

So I, I opened up the, the, the Ryujin, the, the module for the Ryujin controller and

I looked at it and I was like, oh, they have a bunch of Ryujin three things here.

They all have the same information in them.

What if I just, to pull the USB ID for my AIO, we talked about this last week, what if

I just pull the USB ID for my AIO and put a new entry in this file for that and, and

then try it out and it worked until, until liquid control updated and then it wiped out

my changes.

Like, okay, this is a pain in the butt.

And at first I was like, what if I just tell, you know, Pac-Man not to ever update this

again and it'll be fine.

And I was like, that's a valid solution for the problem.

But then I was like, what if, what if I do a little tiny bit and contribute back to

the community?

So I went and looked, first I went to the discord for this project and there were like five

people in there and they were very nice.

I was like, hey, I, I've got this working on my machine.

Can I just submit a pull request to, to, to submit it to the thing there?

Like yeah, just submit a pull request while at it and next time we do an update.

And I was like, okay, cool.

And of course, I, then I went and Googled how do you submit a pull request?

Because who, who knows how to make a pull request?

I was actually going to be one of my questions.

Yeah.

Because I was like, I went to the pull request page for the project and I hit, create a pull

request and it was like, oh, yeah, you can't do that here.

You got to do some other stuff.

So I, I forked, I went to the page on GitHub for the project and I forked you, I forked

it.

I made my own copy on my GitHub and then I made, then I synced up a folder on my hard

drive with that copy, with that, with my repo, my repo fork of liquid control.

And I made the changes and then I went and looked at somebody else's pull request and

they had made a bunch of changes to other stuff that I didn't know what it did.

And I read about that a little bit and figured out what that stuff did.

So I added things like, um, you dev rules for the, for that USB ID, I added some entries

in the documentation and stuff like that.

And then I tested it and it worked and I committed my changes to the, to the repo.

I had my changes to the repo, committed them up to my version of the repo.

And then sent, then I went and hit the, create pull request button again.

I was like, oh, yeah, you have a fork of this in your repo.

Do you want to use this repo as the thing?

It was like, it's like, it has three commits that are ahead, meaning newer than what's

in the liquid control repository.

So I hit the button and I filled out all their documentation.

I checked some boxes and, uh, as of this morning at like nine o'clock, I've contributed

code that's shipping in the, in the, like the tiniest, just to be clear, the, it's a

bittiest piece of code.

I mean, shipping in the, in the liquid control repository, it's more than I could ever imagine

doing.

So yeah.

Congrats.

It heads off to you.

How many of them tell you?

Not as hard as I expected.

It was much more googling, hey, how do you do, uh, get love stuff?

Then anything else, right?

I was like, okay, I need to first, I need to make, I fork this on the web UI and then I make

it, then I copy that down and then I sync it up and I, yeah, so that part was actually

the hard part in terms of.

Well, and then like my next question was going to be, why is it called a pull request?

Because they're essentially pulling the changes you made from your version.

I'm saying, hey, what are you putting it into there?

Will you pull this code into your project?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, but, but somebody still needs to confirm that, that request, like, so like once the

request is put into pull from you, so like a physical person has to be like, oh, you

know what?

They made some changes.

Let's go ahead and bring this in.

So the person who maintains the project looked at it and was like, oh, this is one of

these.

It's an easy one.

It's one of these.

Yeah.

Well, cause here's the thing.

There's two types of like adding new hardware to this thing.

And just to be clear, it doesn't support the screen still.

This is only for pump control, liquid temperature, and fan control.

So I mean, are you believe the important stuff?

Yeah.

I mean, it makes me wonder why I have one with a goofy screen in my thing.

I might just, maybe I should just pull something else out.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

The point is it's working.

But there, there are other types of AIOs when somebody does a new one that, that requires

like adding, installing wire shark and sniffing the USB data stream to figure out what's

going on in the protocol.

That's not something I can help with.

But if we have more of these raiogens in the office, I can plug them in and get the USB

IDs and add them all so they're all supported by liquid control, which again, if you're using

that liquid control plug-in for fan control, that means that theoretically, in addition to

the raiogen 2 and the raiogen 3 extreme and EVA addition, now the raiogen 3 white addition

will be supported as well.

You're welcome.

Listen.

Not only do we have a number of AIOs in the office just sitting there in boxes, vendors

are always very excited to send AIOs.

So maybe this just becomes your thing, maybe you become like a top contributor to liquid

control.

Yeah.

I'm hoping for.

Yeah.

You get like a badge or something being like, oh yeah, well, this top contribute, some,

for some reason this guy just has dozens of AIOs sitting around.

He loves AIOs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

As I was doing this, I was like, I could just, for a hundred dollars, I could just buy

an Arctocool 360 that's probably, like, it's a thicker radiator, it's probably going

to do a better job, cool in my business, but I'm also on a 9800X3D and I don't really,

it doesn't get hot.

So like, yeah, anyway, but yeah, so I've contributed.

I've, I've, I've, uh, in addition to submitting bugs, now I've contributed.

Yeah.

You are an expert.

I'm getting there.

I want to be.

One day, Adam, you just need to grow that beard out.

Ask Lindsay, what she thinks about that?

I know, right.

Yeah.

So yeah, that's my, that's my big stuff.

That's my stuff for this week, I think.

I, uh, it's been a kind of like, we're in the, we're in those weeks between DICE and

GDC and I do a lot of work with game studios.

So it's been, uh, it's been, it's been a busy couple weeks.

I haven't had as much time to fuss with Linux as I, as I normally do.

So.

Oh, yeah.

This is, so this is the first GDC.

So if people don't know, that's a game developer conference.

And does here in San Francisco, DICE for folks who don't know is the, um, it's,

it's the, it's the academy of interactive arts and sciences, which is like the game development,

kind of, like, it's kind of like the academy for film, like the, does the Oscars, uh, is for

games and they do, uh, it's called the DICE summit.

And it's basically like, if GDC is for developers who want to learn new stuff, and

there are definitely business tracks and stuff like that there, DICE is where a lot of

deals get done.

Where the business development people and the scouts and the people who decide whether

to publish games and stuff like that all get together in Vegas for like a three day period

and sit around in a bar in a hotel in Vegas and like the, it's basically like the secret

cabal that determines the future of the games industry, uh, every year in February.

So.

But you don't go to DICE traditionally, I, I have been to DICE in the past.

I only go usually if there's something I'm specifically pitching and I didn't have anything

to pitch this year that was, that was willing to pay me to go to DICE.

I've got it.

I don't go in.

You usually go to is.

Yeah.

You usually do go to GDC because it's literally right in the back yard.

Yeah.

It's like, I, I take it in extra 20 minutes to get to get that down to.

So I'll be a DICE next week, I think, if people are around GDC.

G, sorry, GDC.

If people want to talk about, um, getting, um, getting, um, getting your game publishing,

helping with comms on games, let me know.

I'm available.

So there you go.

Yeah.

But it also makes me think this is the, the first GDC that you've gone to that now you

you are a Linux person.

I do wonder how many people around there,

or you can relate to.

You can be like, hey, you know what, look,

I can tell you you're running Linux.

I run Linux.

I've submitted a pull request.

I'm gonna wear my Microsoft, Microsoft shirt for sure.

That's, of course, yeah.

Both days, I'll just wash it.

Oh, you know, that's the,

you should bring some with you,

just in case anyone says, hey, where did you get that?

You gotta go, you can buy yours right now.

Cash, cash on the barrel head, baby.

Yeah.

There you go.

But it does make me wonder, like,

do you have any sense of how many game developers use Linux?

So it's interesting,

because that story went around earlier this week, actually,

from, I don't want to say it was a sketchy site,

but it was a site that I've never heard of before

that detailed Microsoft's plans for Windows 12.

Did you see this last night?

No.

So they, so they basically said,

Agentic subscription, only AI first, OS,

and you have to have an NPU to be able to use it.

It's coming next year.

And people were losing their minds

and then everybody started looking at the site

and they were like, this is,

what is free games for Windows or?

Yeah, this is a rumor, right?

It's a rumor, yeah.

Got it, yeah, okay.

Okay, I did hear about this.

Yeah.

Techforgamers.com is the URL.

And like, no, not against the tech for gamers, folks.

But, sounds legit.

I mean, they do reference a PC world, PC world story,

Windows 12 rumors, features, pricing rumors,

everything we know so far,

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But, yeah, so it got people in kind of a tizzy.

And like, the number of people who were like,

yeah, I've been actually doing my game dev work on Linux

for the last six months now,

was pretty high.

People were talking about the engine software running

really well, like Unreal runs generally pretty well,

especially if you're on a pretty standard environment,

like KDE or something like that.

If you're working at a studio where your art pipeline

goes through Blender, so one of the things people

I think don't maybe know is that typically on games,

when you're making game art, especially 3D stuff,

especially 3D stuff that's rigged and skinned for movement,

like a character model or like a tree that waves

or really anything that moves.

And even non-moving stuff,

all goes through the same pipeline typically.

Typically, you have an art pipeline

where the people who are creating the actual assets

can make it in whatever tool they want.

Blender or Max, Maya, whatever their tool of fusion,

if they're, I mean, I don't think anybody is fusion,

but I'm sure somebody somewhere has used fusion

to make game assets.

And then on a studio, like on anything,

everybody just does their own thing and if that's fine.

But if you're on a bigger studio,

then typically there's a machine someplace

or a person someplace whose job it is

to bring those assets into Maya or Blender or whatever,

and then package them up in the way that the game engine

is gonna understand them and put them in the right place

so that the game engine sees them the next time

you'd initialize that project.

And then that assets in the game.

And for the last 20 years, that tool has been almost

exclusively Maya with a handful of places

that use 3D Studio Max, until like the last five or six years.

Now a lot of studios that are building out,

and typically, typically this is

one of those things you do in what's called pre-production.

So like you've built a game, you have a pitch for a game,

you've built maybe a prototype and you've gotten money

from somebody and then you actually start working

on two things simultaneously.

One is building the pipeline for art assets and engine

to get the stuff that you make into the game

in a constructive and stable and standardized way.

The other is that you're prototyping the game mechanics,

you're figuring out how the game actually works

and stuff like that.

So those two things are happening usually simultaneously

in pre-production and usually by the time you've done

with pre-production, you have that pipeline locked in.

You typically don't change that pipeline

once the game is, once you're in actual production

because it has some enormous expensive downstream costs.

But a lot of games that are starting,

that are doing pre-production now,

especially from smaller studios,

are using Blender as that ingest point

rather than Maya, which is interesting for two things.

One, Blender's open source has been around

for a really long time, but the last couple of revs

have been regarded really, really well,

especially by games industry folks.

The other thing is Maya is a really expensive piece of software.

It's like it's thousands of dollars per year per seat.

So like there's an actual measurable cost savings

if your entire 3D art team doesn't have to have

these expensive Maya seats.

And if Blender is actually just as good,

like there's a thing that happens with open source software,

we talked about this on the FOSPOT

and Brad and I've talked about it on the tech bot a lot.

But eventually as contributions increase,

eventually the open source software crosses over

in functionality and reliability and stability,

the closed source thing.

We saw that with OBS 10 years ago, 15 years ago,

because the velocity on OBS early on was so fast

that it was better than exploit like six months

into into its life.

Like it was two niche softwares

and one of them suddenly opened the door

for everybody streaming on Twitch.

And the other one was charging $120 a year

for something that most people looked at

as a kind of hobby to fuss around with.

And anyway, so yeah, Blender, Blender's having a moment

is the two of you are there.

Yeah, interesting.

Well, but you've also said on the other side

that there are a lot of games of does like Mac OS.

Like so they're not necessarily on Windows anyway.

A lot of especially low-fi stuff,

like pixel art 2D's things.

Like there's a divide between people

who are making big 3D games from triple A,

like big Indies, AAA stuff like that.

Talking about games with like five to half a billion dollar

but five million to half a billion dollar budgets

are gonna be running those dev systems

with big metal desktop PCs, right?

Or maybe somebody else buys tricks Halo

or something like a workstation type laptops.

But then mobile and indie games,

a lot of indie games, especially 2D pixel games,

people can just build on laptops

because they're not super-ard intensive.

There's not a bunch of light crunching and stuff like that.

Yeah, interesting.

Well, maybe we'll have to, whenever that,

you said in a couple weeks,

maybe we'll have your GDC report.

Did you have any Linux sightings?

Yeah, we'll talk about it next,

maybe next week on this show,

but probably a week after, for sure.

Okay.

Yeah.

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Yeah, definitely.

Anyway, Will, I would have even talked to you

before we, we, you see, like your little town, Adam.

I mean, for plenty of reasons, yes.

I'm kind of in a poopy mood,

but especially with the Linux stuff,

like I feel like I'm in a downspot and to be fair,

this is a making of my own creation.

Yep.

Yes, but on the flip side, on the flip side,

I think this does still point to,

like it just not always just working, right?

Like I think I've gotten a lot of hate,

rightfully so, and I get it.

But also, I think people are missing the point

sometimes of what I'm trying to do here

is that like I think in order for Linux to thrive

and get people away from windows or whatever

is to have, just have it work, right?

Just get to a spot where it's like,

oh, I just want this thing to do this, this simple stuff,

whether it's the onboarding process,

whether it's getting your applications,

whether it's security, whether it's whatever,

a number of things, like just giving that ease of use,

I feel like is what a lot of people always point

towards with Linux to be like,

ah, you know what, you gotta know what you're doing

and you gotta noodle around.

And for the most part in this journey,

I've definitely been like, oh wow, no,

this is, especially if you're doing really basic stuff,

this actually can be really easy

and it depends on your setup or what you're actually

going to be doing, what distro you pick,

I mean, whatever, like there's complications

and pain points along the way.

And I feel like that's my role here

is to try to poke it a lot of these things

and be like, okay, as a, as a noob.

And I know I'm not the noobiest of noob,

like I'm not like my grandma, right?

But I'm also not, I'm nowhere near your level

and I'm nowhere near a lot of our people

in the audience level kind of thing.

And so being able to just have something

that just works without doing a ton of fudzing

is what I'm hoping to find.

And guess what, maybe I will need to do some fudzing

and I have, I figured out some stuff.

But at the end of the day,

like I feel like I keep getting so many messages

of people being like, well, I mean,

you just need to do this, wow,

you're complaining about something when,

it's such an easy fix, all you gotta do is this

and this and it's like, yeah, but like that's not,

that's not how you get people on.

It's to be like, oh yeah, if you run into a problem,

you need to make sure you do some fudzing

because the thing is, it's like a lot of people

who are on Windows, they already know how to use that.

If you're gonna try to tell them,

not only to relearn a new operating system,

which currently is not that hard,

but then be like, oh, if you run into a problem,

you know, you just gotta work through it.

Like, you know, don't just throw your hands up and give up.

It's weird and this might be a generational thing

because like, that's how computers used to be, right?

Like, when I started, when I got my first computer in 1992,

like something, like, it was more of a surprise

when something worked the way I expected to

than when it didn't.

Like, when I got it to print, I was like, wow,

I've really done some business here.

And I mean, it is worth mentioning,

I don't have this computer hooked up to the printer

that's three feet to my left,

but I also don't have to print very often

so it's not really an issue.

But the, like, it is, for me, this feels very analogous,

not even to the 90s error computing,

but like to the early 2000s when it's like,

it's usually, like, for me,

for my experience has been that usually stuff

just kind of works, right?

And it may not be exactly as good as I want

or maybe there may be some sort of problem

or something like that,

but it's unusual that I hit something

that actually just out and out fails

to do the thing that I wanted to do.

Now, the problem, the place I get into trouble

is when I look at it and I'm like,

oh, well, this seems like it's running slow.

I bet I bet something's not right.

And then I start digging in and I'm like,

oh, God, this is an enormous rabbit hole.

And then, like, the experience I had with it resolved,

for example, where it just was crashing

because of a compositor problem

was the first time that's happened to me, I think.

And most of the others things I've hit

have been kind of quality of life issues.

But it is definitely hitting the same parts of my brain

that like trying to play games on Windows NT4,

Windows 2000 back 25 years ago hit.

Like it is a, it's a hobby car,

not a, not a corolla.

Well, and I'm not saying this is a bad thing

because I have learned more about how operating systems work

than decades of my life, for sure.

And so I am appreciating it.

But I will come across things I'm like,

it doesn't need to be that hard.

Also, when I think about my Linux journey,

like a lot of this started because of the Steam Deck.

And a lot of the people who were able to enjoy PC gaming

for the first time was because,

guess what, the Steam Deck worked as easy as a console.

And like, not that I was like,

oh yeah, finally I can get into it

because whatever, I've been a PC gamer,

I've used handhelds with Windows

and can use them just fine,

even where people don't even like that.

But it's like the Steam Deck proves

that one of the best ways to get people

into the Linux ecosystem and feel okay,

being able to make that jump and that decision

is because they took a lot of the stuff out of it.

If you wanted to dig in deeper, then you could.

Which was optional.

I think it's the other part.

Yeah, but it was optional.

Like it worked.

And if you wanted to dig in, you could.

Like I'm not saying it should be more constrained like Mac OS

or I guess I should say like a console, right?

Like a console, it just works

and then you can't really get any deeper.

Yeah, at least with Steam OS,

you could do deeper stuff to it.

And so I think a lot of that,

what I've been trying to figure out is like,

okay, well, how do I make it work like that?

Whether it's my desktop, my laptop,

my home theater PC, my handheld,

what's the easiest way to get in there

and have it work?

And if I want to add something to it,

then okay, cool.

I can dig deeper into it.

But like if stuff at the very beginning is just not working

and then like in order for me to play a game

or whatever, like I have to go in there and fix things,

like it's just like, come on, guys.

Like, so anyway.

I mean, have you considered,

I mean, maybe you should go back to pop OS,

back to distro, hop a little bit more.

Get back into something that's a little easy

here and a little friendlier, man.

Well, I mean, yeah, so like this is to say,

this is to say that, especially on the handheld stuff

and I know I talked about it here a little bit.

I've started to talk about it and I want to talk about it more

on the new handheld gaming podcast

that I have with Restroom Retro Game call,

core called Expedition Handheld.

We call it, yeah, for short, yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

It's just a good, it's a good podcast.

It's the first episode of Banger, by the way.

Yeah, everybody's just into it.

Like for me, I was trying to load up different versions

of distro or different distros that have handheld modes

to be like, oh, sweet, you know, how well is it?

Does it work out of the gate kind of thing?

And maybe I did it wrong because I did use something

that was fairly new hardware-wise.

Maybe I should go back and retry this

with an older piece of hardware.

But, you know, the default is usually Besite or Jazz it

or Big CD, however you want to call it.

I mean, what's Jazz it?

I've never heard that one before.

Just like, maybe I'm just, I'm trying different

sub-dustations.

Stop this, no, no.

But Besite.

Besite.

Jazzite.

Somebody told me it rhymes with Jazz.

Besite.

Besite.

Jazz.

Jazz.

Besite.

Yeah.

Jazzite.

Jazzite.

Yeah.

Perfect.

Got it.

It's a bit slippery.

It's like those mean old ladies in Dune.

Yeah.

The Jazz erites.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Anyway, I think a lot of, a lot of normies like myself

have looked towards Besite being the de facto

of a gaming distro, right?

Like, oh, hey, whether you want to put it on a handheld,

whether you want to put it on a desktop to a certain degree,

a home theater PC, that is the go to one.

And so that's what led me down this road

when somebody was like, oh, hey, did you know

that Cascio has a handheld version now?

And Nobora has one and whatever.

So I started using these different ones

and poking holes at it.

And people, I definitely got some people who were like,

oh, wow, I'm sorry, it didn't work out of the box.

I'm sorry, you're so lazy to enable

whatever input plumber takes you out of the call.

Yeah.

But I feel like I'm also doing a service of showing,

like, oh, no, this is where these things just fall down.

And you can't expect somebody to install

cachey handheld version and then be like, well, crap,

people told me this would be just like SteamOS

and it's not working.

What do I do?

I'm just going to go back to Windows.

And the handhelds are one of those situations

to where the unwieldy nature of the hardware interface

means that you're in a little bit of a, like it's,

I'm much less likely to want to work on a handheld,

honestly, like in terms of like getting into desktop mode

and loading up the terminal and doing all the stuff

that I will do without thinking about

on a laptop or a desktop.

Just because the handhelds I have aren't really well suited,

like I guess I could put them into my Steam Deck dock,

but, and then talk about some keyboard and TV into it.

But it feels like a bad experience, right?

Yeah, well, and kind of like you've been trying to do

with your streaming PC is to make something

a little bit more like utility, right?

Like handhelds, ultimately, you can do other stuff with them,

but for the most part, they're there to play games.

Yeah.

And so if it doesn't just work right out of the box

and you have a hard time just getting to playing games,

that sucks, that's annoying.

And so I've been trying to do that same thing

with Home Theater PC.

I had Buzzied on it.

It was working good.

I figured out lacked and all that kind of stuff,

but like I was having the audio issues

and the audio stuff just really got under my skin.

Like I guess I'm not exactly sure why

that audio one specifically got under my skin of like,

wow, why is audio just not working right?

Look, the audio stuff is frustrating.

I had a thing, I think I talked about it briefly,

when we were real early on this, where I changed the setting

and then I couldn't figure out how to change it back

and the only way I could fix it was by uninstalling

and reinstalling the awesome mixer

and all the dependencies for that.

And it was a huge pain in the butt.

Like if I didn't, like doing this podcast actually

is kind of freeing in that regard

because it gives me an excuse to spend time

fudzing around with stuff that I normally wouldn't

want to waste time on, right?

Like I'm not going to spend three hours

figuring something out just for me,

but when I'm doing the podcast and the show

and makes the show more, maybe I would.

That's not sure, come on.

Some things I would, some things I wouldn't,

some things I would just be like,

oh, I'm not going to actually do this, right?

Like this is not worth the time invested

to figure this out.

Some things I absolutely would dig into,

but I probably wouldn't have taken the time to learn

how Jack and all that stuff works.

Had it not been for the podcast,

I would have just done it the whole fashion way

and kept it really as simple as possible.

Well, and maybe I'm also getting to hung up on people

and this has happened a lot where somebody gets in my ear

and is just like, oh, hey,

did you know there's this other distro

and I haven't had any problems over there?

I think you should try this distro.

So that's why, yes, somebody,

I think I mentioned the screener.

I know, right?

And maybe I'm too attracted to shiny things.

But yeah, somebody a couple of weeks ago was like,

oh, yeah, you're having these problems with Besite,

but I have Nobara and it works great.

I haven't had any of these problems.

And so I was like, oh, when I started looking into it,

it's got a handheld version,

it's got a home theater PC version.

Okay, cool, that's great.

It's also based off of, like directly off of Fedora,

not only that, it's the guy who created it or what's the name

for somebody who makes the distro maintainer?

There we go, thank you.

Is Glorious Egg, who does a lot of proton work?

He does proton GE builds, yeah.

Yeah, so that's his distro.

I guess, I mean, maybe I have that wrong,

but like it sounds like he's the guy who

is the one that places his distro problems.

So I was like, oh, okay, this is great.

Yeah, I was like, the scene to line up

that it would make sense.

And yeah, we should maybe try to reach out to him.

And so I don't want to believe we're the point here,

but I installed no borough on my home theater PC,

immediately ran into more issues.

And I was just like, oh my God, I'm just so.

I mean, I think, so here's the thing.

There, there, A, I don't think you did yourself,

is how many favors by doing what's essentially

like the newest handheld that's come out?

Well, this also was on my home theater PC.

Oh, well, okay.

But the home theater PC, different story.

But I think, like your wire plumber problem

and stuff like that would that Legion go to,

no knock against, against Lenovo.

Like it's a small category.

Those things have gotten, those handhelds

have gotten really expensive because of the price

of memory and all the other stuff we don't need to get into.

Like I, I think had that thing come out six months ago,

you would have seen support for it almost immediately

because people would have gone out and bought them

because it's some sweet piece of hardware.

And yeah, like I already, I already recognize

I'm gonna go back to older stuff, either the go one

or the original ROG ally and then like try it there

because yeah, those have been out for a year and a half

whatever.

So for that, that's different.

The specifically for Nobara on the home theater PC thing

because I used the home theater PC installer.

Everything seemed to work fine,

but the biggest first hiccup was controller stuff.

And like it has, like I went through the process.

It, I think I maybe talked about this a little bit

last week, but the introduction splash page is so easy.

And I was like, man, this is great.

Things are looking good.

You know, it tells you exactly what to start with.

It gives you some optional stuff afterward,

especially if you're on Nvidia GPUs,

which I'm not, I'm still using AMD GPU.

And, but then like I kept running into problems

with controllers and for the home theater PC,

I want to use a controller.

It's hooked up to home theater, you know,

like that's the main interface thing.

And so the, my main one, which is the scuff,

whatever the professional PC one,

I can't remember the name of it off to my head,

like I would go through the interface

to map settings and steam and it just wouldn't read

the X button at all.

Like everything, like not everything was messed up,

but specifically when I would get to the hitting to map,

oh, what is the X button?

I would hit that button and nothing would map to it.

Is this on an Xbox style X or a PlayStation style X?

This is an Xbox style X.

So it's like, okay.

So I was like, okay, you know what?

Does it work in maybe?

Well, yes, it works in Windows.

It's been working on Besite, like, you know,

for the most part, like it's been working on

all these, all these other distros, you know, so far.

And so I was like, okay, you know what?

Maybe all conceit, this is a weird controller

for weirdos who like controllers.

Yeah, okay.

I'm going to plug in an Xbox controller

or a PS5 controller and I still had mapping issues there.

Not only that, yeah.

And I was just like, I was just like, I can't, I can't,

what, I can't, why can't I even do this?

And so, you know, I started to dig in the documentation.

I was like, okay, well, maybe I need to start doing some stuff.

So I plugged in the Xbox controller,

out of steam controller, steam controller, baby.

Yeah.

Really, maybe that is the answer

when the steam controller 2 comes out,

like this will help or solve all the issues.

There you go.

And so I was like, okay, well, at least the Xbox controller,

like they even mentioned it in their documentation

of like making sure the Xbox wireless controllers

updated on Windows, because you can't update it on Linux.

It was all updated.

Like, I was able to figure out the mapping stuff,

but then for some reason it was still

was not outputting audio on that one.

And at first, like, I was trying it wirelessly.

And then I did some googling and people were like,

oh, actually, it's a stupid thing with this Elite Series 2

with the dongle that you can't actually pass audio

over the dongle.

And I was like, it's not true in Windows, but, okay.

Whatever.

It's price and price, proprietary Microsoft BS, you know.

But then I would work.

Well, but no, Bluetooth neither.

So I plugged it straight in.

It still wasn't piping out audio.

Not even just in the steam, big picture mode,

but also like at the desktop thing.

And so like, it was just so many things like that.

I was like, okay, well, at least,

Buzz Light, for the most part, was, you know,

I was able to figure out some of the stuff.

So, yeah, I don't know.

I'm just getting an Xbox maybe.

Maybe that's your, maybe that's your,

you know.

No, I want to play my PC games.

No, I'm sorry, you're out of the PC game space.

I think you're, I think you're an Xbox guy now.

You know, like, I, I, I became so frustrated

that I just started to do a boot back into my Windows install.

Like for, to finish out Resident Evil,

vacuum, I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to go back over to Windows

and start doing it there.

And like, I'm not saying Windows is better,

but at least it worked and I know how to use it

and everything just worked.

I didn't have to map anything weird.

I didn't have to, you know, update any,

I mean, I had to run driver updates, stuff, sure, whatever.

But like, it, like, I didn't have to look

at documentation.

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Requiem had problems for me on Linux.

Like, I, I said, use some screenshots, I think,

but it had horrific visual corruption on Linux

on the Nvidia drivers when I was using it.

And like, my guess is that by the, I saw somebody else

posted that there's a memory leak

so that if you play for too long,

eventually the frame rate goes to zero.

And oh, for Resident Evil.

Offer Resident Evil on Linux.

And like, it's unfortunate

because it's the kind of game that, like,

it's like a 15 hour game, right?

So by the time they, if you buy it on the launch day,

by the time the drivers are updated for Linux

to work right with it,

you're probably never gonna play that game again.

You might revisit it like three or four years from now.

So it is, like, I'm, I'm re-evaluating my habits

when it comes to new release games.

And like, if it's a days, if it's a day one launch,

or if, especially if it's pre-release,

like we were, we were testing,

I was testing that Requiem game for a PC world video

before it was out.

Like, it was absolutely a Windows thing.

I wouldn't, I didn't even bother looking at it

in Linux because I figured it was Windows.

It was working fine on mine,

except for the, the problem that it wasn't showing

the ray tracing stuff, ray tracing features,

which luckily so many people messaged me.

And I really appreciate it.

And they said, like, I was able to put a flag in there,

which was a wine detection enabled colon false.

So like, that's, yeah, yeah.

So I was able to put that in there.

False wine detection, yeah, that's obviously the problem.

Yeah, so for some reason, and I was going to ask you,

like, why would the developer be in there and be like,

oh, hey, you know what, if we detect,

we should have it so that if detects wine

is running, we should turn off ray tracing?

It's because they, what they're doing is they're looking

for wine to determine if they should do the steam deck settings.

But there's a steam deck flag.

Steam deck equals zero.

I know, I know.

Why didn't they use that one?

Capcom.

Look, we're just lucky that game runs.

Did you not play Monster Hunter?

That thing ran at like eight frames a second.

True.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, anyway, sorry, I'm, this is a, this is a,

this is a, you shook.

You said shook today.

Yeah, yeah.

Look, this is, this is why we do the podcast.

It's, it's a, like, some days it's about talking about dubs,

some days it's, you know, about hugs, you know?

You know what, you know what, dubs and hugs?

While I'm here to, to BS, yeah.

I, I, I for, I had to, to turn off secure boot to, to enable,

or to put in Ventoy to install Nubara.

But you didn't.

So that's your fruit keys for Ventoy?

You can, I had to, I had to read, I had to redo it again.

Oh, and I was just like, yeah, whatever.

Uh, so it just either turn off.

It is, I, and I totally for it, like, it does not straightforward

to turn off secure boot in, in this motherboard.

Like, it's an ASUS motherboard.

It's like, you have to go in there and be like,

set it for other OS.

Like there, there's no like, oh, turn secure boot off.

Like there is in other systems.

Like I've been having to do this for, like, laptop stuff.

And usually it's, it, the toggle is specifically says secure boot.

In this laptop, it was just like, oh, you know, it's,

there's no disabled secure boot.

Yes, Sam, you got to try on your CSM.

You got a, you got a, yeah, no, I don't get it.

So in Windows mode or other OS mode is what I'm exactly.

So it's in Windows mode and to turn it off, you had to turn it to other.

Other OS mode and I was like, that's really stupid.

It's badly, but motherboard is, you know, we've, we've railed against this on the

folder too.

Like the motherboard options just are so convoluted.

And it's not just an ASUS thing.

It's, it's all across the world.

Well, it's everybody has their own unique set of problems.

Is the thing each vendor has their own quirks.

It's bad.

Yeah.

Um, that was dumb.

Yeah, I, anyway, I think I'm in a good secure boot place on this machine.

I don't bother on the laptop or the streaming machine because they're both

single boots, so they don't, no reason.

I mean, yeah, like I figured it out on the laptop.

My home theater PC was, was fine with, with Beside.

I had figured that out.

I, I just turned it off for a second and I was just like, oh, yeah, I forgot.

Just how annoying it is to do that.

Yeah.

So I'm sorry, complaining session over.

She needed that for just like I, this is, it is ultimately fun to try to learn

all this stuff, but at the end of the day, especially for the gaming stuff.

Maybe that's where it's breaking down for me.

Is that if it's between me playing a game or me having to, to

fuzz with, with issues, I just want to play the game.

I just wanted to work.

I just want to play video game.

I was going to say, I, I really, I would love to know what you think about

streaming like I, I would love to see what you think about Moonlight and

Sunshine, assuming you, you set those up on a desktop someplace and pipe that

into the living room because for me, that really is the best of both worlds.

Because I don't have to hear the loud computer.

There's no fan noise.

It's just taking a little light video stream and passing some controller support

back. Now, it's definitely like the microphone headset situation.

I don't fool with it because I usually use speakers.

I don't plug stuff into the controllers.

So I don't know what that's like.

I feel like, I feel like when you're doing that, you're in a little bit of an

edge case for PC gamers, even though that is, I would describe it as core

functionality for the console space that I've been using for the last like, you

know, 10 years.

Now, the other thing I'll say is I've been using that Xbox series S as my

Moonlight client lately, because it's the beefiest machine I have in the, in

the living, in the living, hooked up to the living room TV.

And it is flawless for streaming wired.

I don't know about wireless, but on wired, it's been fabulous.

So highly recommended.

And this does really make me wonder what's going to change with the steam

machine, right?

Like they do, they, Valve does have a lot of weight on their shoulders.

I mean, hopefully the thing comes out and it's not a stupid price.

But either way, like they're, they're getting into something that a lot of

people, like I, I think are probably like looking at and being like, be

sure you want to get into that is like you're literally trying to make a home

theater PC that is just going to run simple like a console.

And from what I've been trying to do so far, it has not just been that simple.

But, but I mean, you're doing it on, yeah, I mean, look, they, they have

the benefit, they have the Apple benefit, right, where they're

controlling the verticals and the horizontals.

They control the hardware and the software.

And if you look at like the challenging things that are going to be

really hard for somebody building their own machine, like, hey, can you

wake up the machine with the controller by pressing the controller button?

They do that on this team deck.

Now, if you have your team deck in the dock and you have a controller, a

wired controller plugged into it or like an 8 bit dough with a, with a 2.4 gigahertz

dongle plugged in, you wake up the controller and it wakes up the, the

steam deck now and turns on your TV and does the whole thing.

So like, there, a lot of that stuff is done, but it's going to be, it's

going to be dependent on you having the exact same hardware stack that's

in whatever they end up shipping, which is like not realistically what

anybody's going to have.

Well, I mean, but I think, I guess I'm also preparing that this

thing's going to come out at an elevated price, whatever we think it is.

Yeah, it's going to be probably going to be expensive.

Yeah, it's not going to be three things, but it's going to be more expensive

than it should be for what the hardware is.

And I just know there's going to be so many people being like, but you

could build your own for so much cheaper and so much more powerful.

And it's like, yeah, but if they, if they truly make it easy to use and you

don't have to worry about all this stuff, I can be like, Hey, I, I've been

there. I tried to do that.

That's the trade.

Yeah, right.

Is like, do you want something that works like a console or do you want to

have to get up and hit the power button on your PC when you turn it on?

And, and like, I, there's no right, there's no right or wrong answer there.

Some people don't care about that.

Yeah.

Um, so like I, I literally see both sides of the, of this situation.

And, and like, I mean, I don't know.

Let's, let's, I just, at this point, I just want to see what the hardware

is and see how it runs and see what that experience is and see how it differs

from the PC.

The other thing is we'll see the downstream, like once, once they hit that

stuff, it hits the repose and starts rolling out.

The people that are running Besite and Obara and Cashy and all the different

distras that do handheld and HPC setups, we'll start pulling in those changes

and we'll see, we'll see quality of life improvements filter down, which is,

which is how this is supposed to work.

So really, I really hope so.

Yeah, like, look, remember, I did this two years ago.

Like this was one of the first things I did when I started contributing to PC

world was like, hey, can we take a cheap, nook style, you know, little,

little hockey puck, mini PC, mini PC and put, I first tried hollow ISO,

which was a mess.

I tried Besite, which was pretty good, but still flawed in a lot of ways.

And I went through a whole bunch of different things before I was like, no,

in order to get something that's going to behave as well as a steam deck does

at HD resolutions, not even 4k resolutions, you're going to spend like $800.

There's no reason to do this at this point.

And, and I mean, I, and that was, that was 2024 prices, right?

So it wasn't, it wasn't the modern inflated, inflated costs.

Um, I'm, you know, it's, it's a graduate, it's, it's gradual progress.

You like, you got to, you got to celebrate those little wins and, and yeah,

maybe the HDBC is not the right place to be right now.

But, yeah, well, you need to just put on your desktop for work.

Too, so that's why, yeah, that, that's why I'm like, I'm not, I'm not there yet.

Look, dude, my, my work, my home desktop that I'm using right now, like,

I said this yesterday, like early on right after I installed cash,

you on my desktop, I jacked up the boot records and Windows wouldn't boot right.

And rather than, I panicked and rather than take the time and fix it,

I just reinstalled Windows.

And then after I reinstalled Windows, I never took the three hours and made

Windows like good, like I didn't do things like turn, I, I wanted to leave it

annoying, right?

So I didn't turn off the Bing search in the start menu and copilot and one drive,

both pop up and like, Hey, man, you should consider subscribing it.

Also, you should use me.

You can generate bad images and get the computer to lie to you.

So, so like every time I boot into Windows, I'm reminded why I do this.

And, and it's been an incredibly powerful thing.

So I think you should do the same thing.

Just check up your Windows install, start from scratch and, uh, and get in there.

You know, just, all right.

Expose yourself to raw, the raw, the raw commercial power of Redmond's greatest OS.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Well, we'll see.

We'll see.

We'll get there.

Uh, last thing I do want to note, which is kind of a, a funny side,

little thing and it's back to the Windows stuff.

Uh, I remember early on you had talked about WinGet and I had saw an article

that popped up on my feed somewhere about the power of WinGet.

So I was like, Oh, you know what?

I should try this WinGet thing.

I actually never did.

I assumed, funny enough, I assumed when you were talking about it, this was an

application like the, well, it is download.

Well, but I mean, like you, like I did it through the, the command line.

Yeah, yeah, I know, but like I thought it was like a graphical application

that you go download from some site.

We're saying it's like, oh, for Linux.

Yeah.

And I was like, wait, WinGet's been here this whole time.

This, it's just like, it's a package, like, I don't think I would have

understood it if I used it before what I know now.

So it is kind of fun to understand what a package manager is and then to come

back to Windows and be like, Oh, it's just a package manager.

So there's multiples actually.

There's that there's chocolate.

There's one other.

I don't remember maintained by different people.

Uh, and I think they mostly pull, they have their own repositories that they

pull from.

But yeah, like WinGet is, WinGet and chocolate year, how I install, like

when I say, Hey, I can reinstall Windows and like 45 minutes and be up and running

again, it's because I have a list of packages in a text file that I get that

I install with WinGet.

So I install discord and Slack and notion and like all the fan control, all

the stuff that I use on the day to day with the exception of like the three,

like I don't install you, like that because that would be insane.

Um, but yeah, you can install that stuff with, with command line utilities and

you can do them all in a sequence.

So you don't have to sit there and like manage it the entire way through.

It's quite good.

Yeah, it was, it was cool.

Like I, and I actually don't remember where I saw that article.

I wish I could link to it.

But yeah, it was like, oh, hey, look, you can do these things with WinGet.

And they were like, yeah, like people don't know that this is, this is in

there.

And yeah, so like easily enough, I was able to run a command to show a list of

all applications.

Not only that, I was like, Oh, sweet.

These are applications that for some reason I did, I don't see in the Windows

settings and was like, Oh, well, I don't need that application anymore.

So I was, you know, uninstall there.

I was even able to update through there.

I did get some errors, which I thought were interesting.

I'm going to read off a couple of notable ones with a lot of stuff updates

automatically.

You also have to be careful because there's a lot of stuff in those repos that

looks a little, that's, that's, that's Mikey would, Mikey, your security,

our security expert would describe it as, as high risk.

So like Microsoft for a while was bad about keeping things that have

discorded the name in the file from showing up in the discord search.

So you download some, I assume it's not malware because I assume they're scanning

it, but like some software that is not discord that labels itself as

discord that it would install for you and stuff like that.

So you, you do have to kind of keep your eyes peeled when you're doing this.

When you're using, well, except for, I thought, I thought when get was

actually from Microsoft, is it not?

It is.

It pulls from the Microsoft store, but there's also just a bunch of spam in

the Microsoft store because it's an app store and it's hard to keep

that stuff out.

Yeah, got it, got it.

And, and for the most part, I actually don't install stuff.

No, nobody's saying uses the Microsoft store.

Yeah, right.

Uh, so chocolatey is a user, is a user managed repo that's similar

and a little less spammy.

It kind of goes back and forth.

Got it.

Um, and so yeah, uh, one of the errors was, uh, installer hash does not match.

So I'm assuming that I'm assuming that the, like that's one of the

situations where it's like, oh, whatever the package is in the Microsoft

store is not the same as what I downloaded from the website.

Uh, one of them, I thought was kind of funny, just the way it was written out,

uh, the error said download request status is not success.

So that just means the files missing and that it was looking for, right?

That's an amazing error message, though.

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, I was like, that's the, that's written kind of funny.

Okay, funny job, Microsoft.

And then by default, every time it updated an application,

it would reinstall the desktop shortcut.

I was just like, I was like, oh, no, all of a sudden on my desktop, I just have

all these shortcuts.

And I was just like, Oh, okay, well, I'm sure there's a way there's maybe turn that

off. But there's probably a way to have it not create those desktop shortcuts.

Cause like, cause the reason this tool exists is so that like if you're an IT

person who manages like a fleet at IBM or something, you can install all the

same applications on all the same computers, just from a script that runs after

the Windows install is complete.

And I'm sure they don't want a million desktop shortcuts, although maybe who

cares, maybe they do.

Maybe they put the wallpaper behind that.

Yeah, I don't think IT manager cares.

Yeah, whatever.

Like, look, I've often said, if I was an IT manager now and I could change the

wallpaper, the wallpaper would just be a big picture of me that says, you know,

chat bubble, it says, make good decisions and a thumbs up next to it.

There you go.

Yeah.

So just every time we get to the desktop, they see me and making good decisions,

hopefully love it.

The last little note before we move on is that I had some people reach out to

me for help with the Photoshop old versions of Photoshop.

Even somebody specifically was like, Hey, I have a new and box copy of CS

one.

Oh, nice.

And legal if you want it.

And I was like, I was like, you know what, thank you.

I really appreciate it.

But I think CS one is going to be a little too old for what I need in terms of

my video editing capabilities.

But thank you for everyone who did reach out.

So no updates on that.

But I still, it's still something I want to look into.

And like you said, we might even have something back in the

absolutely stuff in the storage downstairs, I believe.

Yeah.

I will say unfortunately with this recent news of me becoming a video team of

one in our transition period, I'm going to have to start editing videos again.

And just because like everything in our workflow so far is through

Premiere, which in already, I already know Resolve, I already had, had been

using that years ago, but I haven't edited videos recently.

And I was like, okay, well, everything is just set up from Premiere already.

I'm probably just going to be editing in Premiere.

So having done this last week with that, with that micro, the, the frame

timing video that I did, I will say I was able to open the Excel,

the Premiere projects and pull the assets that I needed out for like transitions

and stuff really easily.

The thing I couldn't do was edit like the bottom thirds and all that.

I would have to recreate all that stuff.

So also, and maybe this has changed in newer versions of Resolve of Resolve.

Because once again, I haven't edited in a couple of years.

We, we rely a lot on templates.

And so it was way harder to create templates in Resolve that apply to every

project.

So like for Premiere, it's much easier.

We literally have a thing where we put everything in.

We save it as a template.

We copy it, rename it, you know, and we, we have everything already kind of

like set up, it's definitely not have the same thing.

It's definitely better now than it was when I, when I first learned

resolved like two years ago.

It is not checking out.

Yeah, it's worth looking at.

And I mean, look, here's the time.

This is the time to shift your workflows, right?

Because it's only you that you have to, you have to push.

Um, yeah, I mean, I mean, at the end of the, at the end of the day,

like it doesn't matter.

Like, you know, I think templates and stuff like that are just for ease of use.

And you can use import Photoshop files into Resolve, all that kind of stuff.

So it's, it's, it's not a huge deal.

Like I'm not worried about it.

But to at least start it up right now and just make, make sure the, the

greases are, or the, the years are greased.

And we continue to release these podcasts on time.

I'm just going to use Premiere.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, look, get the work done and then, and then do the change, right?

That's the, that's the mo the entire time.

Yeah.

So anyway, let's move on to, to homework and, uh, yeah, and get out of here.

So what, what kind of homework stuff you got?

Uh, so I, I've started getting that login key ring is an unlocked when I,

when I logged into, into Neary error again.

Uh, I feel like I've had this before and I fixed it.

And I don't remember exactly how I fixed it.

So I got to dig back into past me notes and, uh, and solve that.

Um, I think that the solution is that you just set the password for the

gnome key ring or whatever key ring Neary uses to, to nothing.

And then, because the thing is I don't really use the key ring for anything.

I use one password for my password management.

And the key ring is just to, to keep other things like OS, uh, stuff.

Anyway, that, so that's one thing.

Um, my AIO isn't showing a cooler control even with the liquid control changes that I submitted.

Uh, and I've done a little bit of digging into that.

It seems like, it seems like the cooler control people maybe don't like the

sus raiujan module for reasons that are related to do with like driver's

stability or something.

I, I got to dig into why they don't support that.

Um, they might want the same hardware in hwmon, which tends to pull.

My understanding is that the hwmon folks pull their changes from liquid control.

So like, like, when liquid control adds support for something, it, it, then in a

downstream version of hwmon, we'll get updated.

Um, and that may be, that may be the way into cooler control.

But I'm going to dig into that a little bit and see if I can learn a little bit more.

Maybe do, we do more pull requesting.

Yeah, I was about to say I was like, it can contribute to cooler, cooler control.

Yeah, um, I got to figure out the stream PC situation or decide if I'm going to bother.

And then I had a dark thought while you were talking about, uh, making it just rows.

That like, what if, what if, because I think that doesn't exist as far as I can tell,

is an opinionated distro for people who, who have a second, who, for streaming

PCs, like, like, like why isn't there an appliance distro for streaming PC folks?

Adam was making a real whole hold on.

We'll hold on.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying, hold on.

You went from getting your first pull request to now you're like, what if I create

Willow S, I didn't say willow S, what I said was an opinionated distro.

I want to look to see if this exists because I haven't actually searched for it.

And I'm curious because I bet that somebody's done this work because the,

the problem with streaming on Linux is that people pull out different parts of OBS

because they're unstable or have weird dependencies.

Like, Arch doesn't have support for the browser plugin in their, uh,

so you can't have a browser source, which it turns out is incredibly important for almost

every OBS workflow, right?

Uh, uh, Ubuntu didn't have support for VLC plugin, the VLC plugin,

which lets you play a playlist of videos in OBS.

Another incredibly important piece of, of content.

So what I'm saying is this has to exist, right?

And if it doesn't, why not?

And if it doesn't, why not?

How do we die resents?

We end with Will creating his own, yeah, Willow S, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've got to call it

Willow S, I'm sorry, Willow S, I call it Willow, W I L L O W S, hold on.

I don't, I'm, I'm going to search for Willow S.

No, that's not going to keep you what you want.

Yeah.

Uh, okay, I'm going to add operating.

But here's the thing.

It's a relatively simple, it's a relatively simple set of dependencies.

You could strip out a bunch of nonsense.

So you need like a terminal, you need OBS, you need some, some bots,

like streamer bot and the stuff that you used to run that.

And then there's some other bots that you could potentially put on there.

You need, um, the audio infrastructure.

And that's kind of it.

You need drivers, you need drivers for hardware Excel for OBS.

And that's kind of it.

It's really straightforward.

It even a baby could do it.

Okay.

Well, yeah, I did search for Willow S.

Yeah.

There is a GitHub page for a Willow S, but actually when you like scroll down

and look at the URL, I'll just send this to you.

Uh, when you get down it and look, it's actually called teen, C O S.

So I don't know if this is a willow, like if willow S might be open.

This might, might be your chance.

Teen, C O S is the thing that runs, um, the, the teensy microcontrollers.

Okay.

Well, yeah, it's, it's on the, some, some guy William Redden bog, uh, slash Willow S.

So, you know, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know, man.

I think you should do it.

I don't think this is a good idea.

Just to be clear, I think, I think we call, I think we know somebody to call up.

And if, if we call the final boss, no, no, we, we call the final boss again, uh, one, uh,

Wendell, Wendell.

Yes, thank you.

Yeah.

Wendell from level one text and be like, Hey, listen, do we do diaries?

Yeah.

Will's ready to make his own distro where the window would be like, let's go.

This is, this is a Wendell.

Like, look, so part of why I'm saying this out loud.

Oh, it's because you want somebody else to do it.

I'm hoping that just the, I can instantiate it into the world without having, or you

could be the face of it.

You could be the city jobs and you need, you need a, the other guy, I need a turtleneck.

Yeah, I need somebody to do the work while I'm the face man.

That's exactly what I'm looking for.

There you go.

Boom.

Um, uh, sorry.

I got it.

What's the other guy's name?

Bosniac Steve Bosniac Steve Bosniac.

There you go.

Delightful even being Steve Bosniac.

He comes to the flea market sometimes.

He's, he's, we've seen him tromping around the flea market.

By the way, for folks who are new here, I don't think we were doing this when the flea market

was running last year, well, maybe we just started who I can't remember.

So if you are near the Bay Area and you would like to come look at some old cool electronic

stuff, uh, it's the second Saturday this year, they moved to Saturdays, I think.

Cause it used to be a second Sunday and they moved to Saturdays because that

interferes with mothers and fathers day and it was causing strife.

Uh, but that means on, I think the 14th.

Of September, in Saturday, okay.

Yeah, in Saratoga, California, at the community college, you can go to the search for

this, uh, San Francisco, Barry electronics flea market and you'll get a page.

People, it's, it's, I think you described it when we, when you were at the first time,

it was like all the crap that people stole from their offices when they quit 20 years

ago and now need to clean out of their garage.

Uh, so it's a bunch of old electronic stuff that we've seen like old Apple twos and

Commodores and Amiga's, uh, I've seen some sun workstations, I've seen SGI machines,

I've seen next cubes, uh, there's, uh, usually at least one or two booths that are

full of, I, I would say, uh, Alena compatible laptops that still have a lot of life in

them. So like five plus year old laptops that are still quite good.

Um, it's a, it's a fun time.

So, uh, and we'll be tromping around on the 14th, uh, Barry, I definitely want to go.

Yeah. You've always told me the very first one of the year.

Yeah. This is, is always a banger because people have been building up stuff.

People have been storing stuff all, all winter.

So it only runs in the spring, spring to fall.

So like, first one is in March, the last one's in September.

And then they, they take a few months off when the rainy season comes, uh, but get

there early, it's like starts at six 30 in the morning or something like that.

And like, it'll be completely cleared out by like 11 or 11 30.

So no, no, no, no, no, I mean, look, it's fine.

It's not that if you're, if you're hunting, if you're hunting for gems, you want to be

there right when it opens.

Also, they have donuts and coffee and that, I think it's run by the Bay Area ham

club or something in the donuts and coffee or fundraiser for that.

Ham radio, not just ham hawks.

I mean, look, if they had ham there, they had like a, like a fancy Spanish ham, I would,

I would pay money for their sliced ham.

A ham on. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, uh, I'm, I'm going to, well, first off, I, I want to,

I still want to poke around, try to find our older version of, uh, a photo shot, not,

not CS one old though. You're looking for like, yeah, CS one's just a little too old.

Uh, I think the last one before they moved over to Creative Cloud or the, the subscription

basing with CS six, I think, seems right. Yeah, yeah.

That would be like 15 years old at this point, I think, right?

I don't know. It's, it's a long time ago.

Yeah. So, uh, also, yeah, like, uh, my, my homework is going to be a little light.

I'm dealing with some other stuff. I don't have, uh, a ton of extra free time to fuss around

with, but I'm, I'm trying. Uh, so for the most part, it's, it's maintained really the

big one for me is, uh, like, I need to figure out what to do with that home theater PC.

Do, uh, do I continue to push forward and try to figure out my Nobara issues? Or do I

go back to Besite? Cause I did have Besite essentially working the way I wanted to. Uh,

so, yeah, I don't know. I'm overwrite that. Or did you, uh, the Besite install,

or did you put it on a different SSD? I burned it from the, nuked it from the sun.

I mean, listen, to get back to where I was, not hard at all. Luckily, I mean, we've got

documentation. Like I didn't really change that much. For the most part, it's just resigning

in, redownloading games, making sure the audio thing is set and lacked. Like those were,

essentially the, the, the major things that I had fudged around with on there. And really,

honestly, I didn't, I don't even necessarily need lacked to get up and running. That was just to,

to manage, uh, fan speeds and stuff like that. So really, it's more like the, yeah, yeah.

Really, it's more of the audio stuff and then just redownloading games. So it wouldn't be hard

for me to just go back to Besite and should be like, I, you know what? That's working fine for me,

and trying to power through there. So we'll see. I know, I know, I know, I should have just put

a different SSD in there. I mean, look, what is an SD SSD cost now? It's got to be like thousands of

dollars. So, yeah. I mean, we do have some spares, but okay. Anyway, uh, let's, let's call it

for the show. Yeah. Uh, check back next week for your fix of Linux talk here on double

diaries. Uh, if you want to watch the video version of this, we have this over on the folder

network, uh, PC world's network of podcasts that we have. We, we got the full nerd over there.

We got expedition handheld now. If you're into handheld gaming and, uh, and a big fan of Russ

from retro game core, uh, you, you definitely are going to be there for him. And, uh, yeah. So

right now, I think we're going to do just heads up. We're going to do a little bit of a scheduling

change. We've been posting, posting these on Fridays. Uh, but now we, that we have the full

nerd, which happens on Tuesdays and expedition handheld, uh, is going live on Saturdays,

at least for now. I think, uh, within the next couple of weeks, we, we will move to releasing

dual boot diaries on Thursdays, just to pastings out a little bit. And I know not everyone watches

all the shows, but, you know, maybe give it a little breather between each one of them for the

people who do. Uh, so, yeah, we're, we're not doing it quite yet. I just want to give people a heads

up. Uh, maybe next week, we'll do it at the start of the show to, to catch people. But then also,

we're, we're moving to recording dual boot diaries on Tuesdays. Yeah. So rather than waiting to

release it on Friday, we're going to move it to Thursday, just to help, you know, make sure

that it's still fresh information. Yeah. The, the, I mean, that's the big thing for me is we don't

want to, like, we had talked about recording upcoming week, like a week ahead, basically,

which feels, I, we didn't want to do that because the conversation with the audience has been

really helpful with this show. And it, it becomes difficult to manage when we're like, okay,

are we talking about this week's episode or next week's episode and like, anyway,

that's what happened early on. We like batched a bunch. Yeah. I was traveling. Yeah. But, um,

but yeah. So anyway, yeah. Yeah. So the podcast doesn't change. It's just releasing a day. No,

no. Yeah. You can still listen on Friday. If you want, though, we're not going to tell you that too.

Yeah. Yeah. And speaking of listening, if you want to listen to us anywhere, we are on all the,

the places that RSS feeds will point to. I have been working on the back end to get the video

version also up on the RSS feeds. Some people have been asking for the video version, uh,

because Spotify will give you the video version. Apple podcasts is now making some changes.

You used to have two separate RSS feeds, one for video, one for audio. Now you can link those together

and just have the option to get one of the other. Uh, so we have to enable that on our back end.

I'm trying to get that sorted through some stuff. So, uh, if, if you want it, let me know. Maybe

it's, it's something nobody wants. And maybe I just don't get around to it. But, uh, let me know.

That's one of the video version on other, other places other than YouTube.

If I ever do the car talk show, that's fantastic to know. I didn't know that that was a possibility.

Yeah. And I think a lot of people don't want to watch on YouTube or a lot of people want to have

just a way to download the podcast, the video version of the podcast is convenient. Yeah.

It turns out exactly. Yeah. So I, I think like even, even if it's a small fraction of people who

want it, I still think it's worth doing. And honestly, it's not that hard on the back end.

Once we get it enabled in our, uh, in our manager kind of thing. So cool. That's awesome.

I want to get into it. Uh, and then yeah, oh, if you want to contribute to the community,

uh, we have a lovely discord full of people right now. There's a link down the description

to get into the folder network discord. We have a Linux channel over over there. We have a

forum where you can submit your own Linux problems and, and people will, we'll chat in there.

And then we do have a question channel called, uh, dbd underscore questions a little further down.

And if you have a specific question that you want us to answer on the show, then, then get,

get it in there, post it in there. And I, I think, I think what we're going to end up doing is,

is having questions become like, like something we do, maybe once a week, we'll do a whole

questions episode or something like that. Once a month. I mean, uh, or, I'm sorry,

once a month. So, yeah. Yeah. I think we'll figure it out. Like doing it, doing it on the rag,

though, seems like a good idea, because we're getting a lot of good questions. And, and, um, I mean,

also, I'm like, I'm reaching a point where the problems I'm having are probably not, like,

maybe we do, maybe we just do a question or two every week, too, is the other way to do it.

It's like, I'm, you know, it's getting easier with like some big giant lumps in what's easier,

I guess. Sometimes it's not easier. Sometimes it's much, much harder. But anyway, true, true.

All right. Well, uh, anyway, thanks everybody. I appreciate it. And, and thank you, Will.

Hey, thank you Adam. This has been great now. Hey, I think you're doing a good job. I know this

has been a, this has been a hard week. But I think, I think what you need to do, you need to go out

there. You need to put your game face on. You need to put on your big boy pants. You know,

you need to, you need to, you need to, you need to buy those first. You need to straighten up. You

need to fly right. You need to, um, I think you need to reset, you know, I think you need to

try a new distro. I think you need to, to, yeah, there you go. I'm giving you permission. I think

you should get a new distro from a theater PC. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just, uh, is it called Willow S?

No, not yet. That's, that's for the streaming PC. We'll do that in the office and destroy the full

nerd. Um, boom. Yeah. No, I think, I think you're, uh, I think you're doing good. I think you,

you, you, you, you, you, you, you're doing okay. You're going to get there. We all have these

ups and downs. Like I was, I was literally there around the first of the year. Like I was feeling

bad about this whole project. And like all it takes is one week of like everything not going your

way. Like you need those little wins. You know, you need to find something that's going to give you

a little win. That's what that's what I'm going to say. And you're going to get there. You're going

to, I believe in you, man. All right. I have to say, I appreciate it. Uh, and, uh, I appreciate

everyone. Yeah. We will catch you in the next episode. See you later. Bye. Bye everybody.