Episode 73: The Language of Energy - Intuition, Vibration, and Spiritual Guidance w/ Sonia Choquette

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Today, we are honored to welcome

one of the most respected voices

in the world of intuition and spiritual development,

Sonia Shoket.

Sonia began rigorous training in the intuitive arts

and metaphysical laws at a young age,

studying under master teachers

by the time she was just 15.

She also credits her deaf mother

for teaching her the profound language

of energy and vibration,

lessons that shaped the way she understands intuition today.

Over the past five decades, Sonia has written

32 best-selling books

and trained intuitive leaders all over the world,

helping people reconnect with the wisdom and guidance

that already lives within them.

In this conversation, we explore intuition,

spiritual intelligence,

and how learning to trust the inner voice

can transform the way we live.

And with that, let's dive in.

Ah.

I was just sharing that this book

had such a meaningful impact on my spiritual journey.

Ask your guides.

It was around the time that angels

kind of started communicating with me

and I was so curious about it.

But what I loved about this book was

it was the perfect blend between sort of spiritual curiosity,

like there's this world that you don't necessarily know about,

but it's real.

But it also really helped me grow the muscle of my intuition.

And I think that's what we're really trying to help people

understand like everybody can have these magical moments

in these connections, but that book in particular

really helped me believe in myself.

Like, okay, the things I'm experiencing are real.

And here's how to grow it.

And it's just had such a meaningful impact.

But I don't know.

I just saw you.

It's my day.

No, it's so true.

Purpose of my life.

Thank you so much for sharing that.

Yes.

And I'm so excited for Rachel

to have this conversation with you as well

because your work is beautiful.

I mean, one of the things that Rachel and I were talking about today

because we were just thinking about all the questions

that we wanted to ask you, of course,

Gemini and Sagittarius are like, what are all the questions?

And you really blend so many beautiful aspects

of spirituality, your spirit guides, angels, astrology,

different energetics.

You talk about the year of the fire horrors.

You talk about all of these different things.

I am genuinely and deeply educated

from a very early age into a spiritual,

it had mentored it with two master teachers and I was 12.

I have had massive in-depth training

for and teaching for over 50 years.

So what everybody's coming on board now,

I have learned in-depth and have been teaching quietly.

So I'm excited to see the world come on board.

I'm excited.

Yes.

I have an extremely deep personal experience

and knowledge of all of this because it's been my life.

So how did you, at age 12,

how did you meet these people and kind of get put

in that position to learn from them?

I grew up in a family where my mom was extraordinarily intuitive

because it saved her life in World War II as a child.

She was a prisoner of war.

She got sick, she lost her hearing, she lost her family,

she lost everything but she said the one thing

that would not give up was her inner guidance.

She called it my spirit.

I call it too, it is the spirit.

Anyway, fast forward and long story short,

she met my father at 15 when the war had ended.

He married her and came to America.

So I had a mom with no family, no education,

no hearing and a deep connection to spirit

which she said was the greatest blessing of her life

because she didn't have to listen to the noise of the world.

So my first language was vibration.

She taught us because it saved her life.

The first thing to listen to was energy and vibration.

So growing up, she met an English man

who was named Charlie Goodman, who was very skilled

as a master teacher in the intuitive arts.

And she would go visit him and then occasionally

have him come for dinner when he came one time.

I was 12 and I begged him to teach me.

I just knew as my path and he put me through my paces

but he took me on.

And then from there, that was the intuitive arts.

And then I met another master teacher.

It's a small community but one to the other

and then I met a master teacher named Dr. Trenton Tully

who ran the Metaphysical Research Society

shortly thereafter.

He taught me about the intuitive arts

and I walked my way into that door too

because everybody was old and me sitting in the front row.

But this was my destiny itself.

Between the two of them, I studied with them twice weekly

for maybe 14 years.

And what would they, that's incredible.

Yeah, like what would they teach you?

Charlie taught me what clairvoyance was,

clair audience, clair sentience, cognizant, downloads.

He was so gifted he could take a cloth

and a guide's face would imprint on it.

That's how channeled he was.

So I was really introduced to, when I say mastery,

I'm not talking about information,

I'm talking about transmission.

And so he taught me how to discern

between those two guidance, what was riffraff,

what was noise, what was your own ego,

what was other people's noise and ego,

very discerning energy frequency vibration distinction.

So he taught me how to do readings,

how to cut chords, how to invoke guides.

So he was my training in the Dr. Tully,

taught me about the laws of the universe,

about what's called noses, or the spiritual,

the spiritual laws of the universe, that yes you will,

which we know as Jesus had taught from India,

from India and back to Tibet.

And so I learned that I learned by the time

it was 13, 14 years old, consciousness creates

and how it creates.

I learned about pattern recognition.

I learned about getting about energy frequency vibration.

I learned about past lives.

I learned how to recognize them operating.

I learned about astrology, esoteric astrology.

So you name it, I trained it.

And they were very, very disciplined

and this is a quick story.

When I went to see my teacher,

probably the most poignant lesson of my life,

he said he would teach me in Friday nights, Charlie,

and he said, you have to be here at seven.

Now this is 50, more than 50 years ago, there are no phones,

and I'm a kid.

So Friday night at seven is when you go play,

so that was the first test.

There goes my social life for sure.

So when I was probably towards three lessons in, not much,

and I wandered up to the door,

but I took my time I walked

because Denver isn't that big,

and I walked across the city to his home

and rang the doorbell, and he didn't answer.

So I thought he forgot, and then I waited a while,

and I rang the doorbell again, and no answer.

And I thought, oh my God, he's senile.

Then I thought he's deaf, can't hear,

and I finally rang again, I thought, oh, he's dead.

Charlie's dead.

Never came to the door, called him all week on the phone,

never answered, didn't know what to do the next week I showed up.

On time, not even a minute late, and he answered the door,

and I said, where were you, what happened?

I thought you were dead, and he said,

what do you mean, where was I?

You weren't here.

You, we made an agreement, we made an appointment.

I was here, the guides were here, your teachers were here.

You were late, so we left.

You're not serious, and our lessons are over.

And I was appalled.

I begged him, and he said, look, I'm not,

you're not mature enough.

If you don't take this seriously,

then you wouldn't take my time,

and the guides and your teachers, and you show up late,

you're just not mature enough, you're not ready for this.

So he gave me a second chance.

It's never late again, but not only that, it set my life,

what you say, and what you do, a power,

and your intentions, and you don't waffle even a hair.

And that is why I've had such a magical life.

Wow.

So not only did I learn, it was enforced.

And I wasn't maybe more than five minutes late.

No conversation, nothing.

It's like, you're not serious.

You don't, you're too immature to manage energy.

So I, I can't teach you.

I can't teach you.

So it's extraordinary.

It was it, it set the tone of my life, for sure.

And all this, you can project, and you can teach.

Everything that's up on the spiritual template

of the newer teachers, and part of me is a bit frustrated

because they're promising something

that doesn't invite discipline and consistency,

and what you really need about managing energy,

everybody will find their teachers, and they find them,

but those are my teachers, and that's also how I teach.

Because then you'll have real results.

Okay, that was incredible.

But I mean, just thinking about, and now it makes

so much more sense about like how this is shaped who you are.

And how do you have, you said a word that I was thinking

about recently, multi-dimensional, right?

And I think that is why personally,

I was so intrigued by your teachings,

because there are many amazing spiritual teachers,

but they're hyper focused, right?

Because like, that's their calling.

They're calling and doing the whole thing.

Yeah, absolutely.

And you are hyper focused, but you go deep.

But at a lens that's really more all-encompassing,

and I think that's what I was really intrigued by,

because all of these things are interconnected.

Absolutely.

And I think that's where we, and we have a podcast

for Christians that want to explore mysticism

and really understand the truth.

And I, yeah, and I think that's, you know,

I love for you to talk a little bit more

about the power of multi-dimensional faith or belief.

Well, let me just talk about what the word means,

because I think that's a word a lot of people

don't understand, and our little bit has a tent to say.

Nobody wants to say it on a you mean,

but what that means is we're not just third dimension,

third dimension is physical body, physical sight,

everything's out here, but science is cut up

with the truth that we are operating

on multiple dimensions.

We are aware of an energetic dimension of the mind

that we are having an emotional dimension

and a spiritual dimension, and they are just as real

and more important than just the physical dimension.

And we have more than six senses.

For my whole life, I was laughed at and dismissed

for the most part, but now this is core science.

Our inner senses, our inner satellites, our heart, our gut,

our throat, the skin, everything about us

is also receiving information like our other senses,

just on different dimensions.

And so being a multi-dimensional person

means I am informed not just through my outer senses,

but through my inner senses energetically.

Also horizontally, we communicate around us and vertically.

We communicate with our angels

and because we're divine beings,

of course we communicate with our source with God.

And we have our teachers, of course we have our teachers,

like Yeshua, who is Jesus, as it's translated

in the King's James Bible, and why wouldn't we?

You and I, we're speaking, the three of us

are in different dimensions, connecting.

We're not in the same local space, we are, but we're all here.

So if this is what we would call a horizontal multi-dimension,

but we can go vertically as well.

So when you do feel your guides, you feel your angels,

we've been taught that we're only horizontally,

dimensional, and local, and then all of a sudden zoom came,

and what's that, that took a while, internet,

and but now we're learning with the same speed

that we can connect vertically as well,

that we can go to higher frequencies.

And there, and we need to be discerning,

not all higher frequencies,

are not all non-physical frequencies,

are necessarily beneficial.

There's a lot in what is in the field,

the energetic field we all share,

that are just people's fears and projections and negativity,

but we can feel it.

We don't think it, we feel it.

And I'm teaching people that what you're feeling

and you've been taught, especially women,

is you're being too much and you're being emotional,

as actually you're receiving energetic information

that is giving you direction.

And you need to discern, is it good information,

does it leave me feeling peaceful,

at ease, uplifted, surprised, delighted?

That's high dimension, that's divine support.

If it leaves me feeling uncomfortable,

second guessing, Ick, that's a very universal word

for this doesn't feel good,

if it leaves the Ick, leave, don't question.

That's how you become multi-dimensional,

this is still people are fighting it to a great deal.

My job is to tear down that resistance and say,

of course, of course, every spiritual teacher

and every tradition says that we have a divine connection.

Now let's believe it and begin to really work with it

so that our lives can work.

Not just believe it as a thought, let's live it

and let's have relationship with divine energy

by recognizing I'm a divine being.

That was so huge for both of us.

As we started doing some of the spiritual work,

is this idea of the divine within

and that by silencing and getting still

and connecting with that, I am in direct union

and that is at my disposal for me to use and harness

to go out into my everyday life.

It's so empowering and so beautiful

and so wonderful.

It takes away the threat.

My mom used to say, she was a miracle worker.

I grew up in miracles and she used to say,

if God is with you, who's against you?

What's greater than God?

And all the spiritual traditions of the world talk about

and affirm that we have support,

but our conditioning and our training

and our cultural influences have caused us to doubt that.

And that is what is collapsing.

That's what I'm so excited about

that people are having too many direct experiences

to be so easily willing to dismiss something

that I'm experiencing.

This is not a belief, it's not a thought.

It's of my reality, so I am now validating it.

Now to me, the first commandment is not to have false gods

and my biggest false god is everyone else's opinion.

That's a big false god for me.

I'm going back to my heart where I get direct connect.

So that is what I tell people,

I don't say don't believe me about your experience

and you validate it.

I'm just here to plug you back in.

Yeah.

Okay, you just said a hundred things

that I cannot wait to go back and listen.

Rachel, I often joke around.

We're like, we love listening to our podcast

because we get to have the conversations

multiple times, right?

But you said something that was really interesting

around belief and not just knowing

but feeling and experiencing.

And I was thinking the other day about

multiple different healing scriptures in the Bible.

And yes, you are Jesus.

Never once points to him.

He's always saying it's your belief.

Your belief has made you more.

The kingdom of God is with us.

He literally has, I think there's like eight

healing scriptures where it's your belief, your faith,

your belief.

He also said, get up and walk.

He didn't say, hold on, I'll be right there.

Yes, yes, it's like thinking about how the church

has really disempowered followers

to have a story be more about like the sin

and the your evil and your bad.

And it's really about like this resurrection story

never came from from Jesus.

Now, none of that, that came out of the church

rewriting in Constantine from Rome,

creating a political way to control people.

Exactly.

So they took away the agency.

But pre-church official, we had direct agency.

Allters, for example, were in the home,

in the ancient world, they were in the home,

the direct connect and certain cultures they still are

like in Mexico and in Asia.

When China ingraced, the altar is still in the home

because the altar represents the heart

and the connection where spirit enters the body

and you connect the source.

Yes.

Okay, so even when you're just saying that,

my evangelical upbringing was like,

oh, an altar in the home, you know,

it triggers something because we have been conditioned

to fear the very thing that Jesus decentralized.

That's what I feel like as Christians,

we often forget when we actually look at what happened

and why he was such a threat was because he decentralized

the power.

He put it back in our hands and he said,

it's within you.

And it's you.

What that is, what is we're doing now

is we are deconstructing the patriarchal hierarchy

that disempowered individuals and put an intermediary

in between the self and source.

Yep.

It's falling down like a house cart.

It's a messy slide, but we don't have to even get into that.

All we need to do is say, listen to the parables,

the our father and the beatitudes.

Those have been historically attributed

to the actual teacher, I was a religion major.

So these things are enough to keep you connected

and you don't have to complicate your mind with much else.

The rest, I was written years later,

hundreds of years later, thousands of years later,

deconstructed, reconstructed, around the political institutions.

But if you want to go back to the basic teachings,

the our father and the Aramaic version, that was his language,

the Beatitudes, which are really the way to live in spirit.

And the parables, which are stories to give us examples.

Yeah, and it's pretty simple.

I've observed the power of direct connect and simple.

Yeah.

And so I think if you want, if you're confused, go simple.

In my opinion, like for my own reading,

Jesus was always simplifying, you know,

he was taking these big, complex thing and like,

no, love God, love your neighbor.

Everything else doesn't matter.

And treat your neighbor like you want to be treated.

It's perfect.

And that's just, if you read the parables

and you read the stories, pretty much get everything.

I mean, the 40 days in the desert and all the temptations

are just the temptations of the outer world.

You know, have them bow down to you as a temptation

and the ego.

You know, why don't you make this kingdom rich

and that's a temptation of materialism,

you know, just a temptation of competition,

you know, be greater than.

And those are just the temptations

of living in the third dimension

and forgetting that we're just passing through.

This is just school and we need to keep living

and embodying the principles that nurture

and feed the spirit.

Because when we live in the spirit,

there's no other.

There's just us.

We all share the same breath.

And then the spirit, what feeds the breath

is the agency of love.

The more you just keep it that simple,

otherwise you get up in your head

and then you're in your ego and that's me again to do

right and wrong.

And if I don't agree with you,

I'm gonna just mow you down one way or another.

And then you're being a very ugly version of a human

and you're very isolated.

Yeah, absolutely.

We have so many listeners that are so curious

and a lot of them have,

are in a similar journey where me and Rachel are,

which is like, we had the experiences

and we're not horrible people, right?

No, we need the new context.

Because the old context no longer is resonating

with your actual experience.

The old context is to submit to an external authority

and follow their rules instead of honoring

your own direct connection.

And you just have to ask yourself,

is my direct connection an agency of love?

If it is an expression, an experience of love

and I am lowering my fear and opening my heart,

that's my new set of rules.

Yes.

And I so appreciate you saying that

because when we explore things like astrology,

we get a lot of people that are like,

it says right here.

The devil.

Yeah, it's the devil.

But who wrote that?

Where does that come from?

See, I got a PhD in religious training

in studies because what you're getting,

I got nearly mowed down in my life

for saying these things for years ago.

I can't imagine.

Yeah, I can't imagine.

You know, I have what they call snake medicine

when you're bitten so many times you become immune.

But I also, in response to all,

well, it says here,

and I said, well, let me read it myself.

Let me study that.

I got a degree in religious studies.

I traveled the world.

I talked to masters.

I didn't just use my two master teachers.

I've spent my whole life deconstructing

where did this all come from?

And what you're going to do

if you're going to be investigative like I am

is recognize, well, this was not from Jesus at all.

This is all political power mongering

to disempower people and make them submissive

with the idea that a father figure will reward you later.

But you got to be children, good boys and girls

to our father figure,

which means you don't have any power

to make any decisions.

Now, that said,

a lot of people aren't emotionally

or spiritually ready to be that responsible for yourself.

So that works for them.

No judgment.

If I should get the respect to God.

If I should get the respect to God.

That's OK.

No judgment.

But on the other hand, I don't.

Yes.

On the other hand, I've evolved to a point

where I can take responsibility

for my relationship with God, with my body,

with the people in my life with this earth.

And I can be trusted to be a loving, kind, guided,

genuinely, spiritually aligned soul.

And so that is the level of maturity I'm taking.

And astrology was part of the church years ago.

All the old popes used to have their resident astrologers.

The idea that it's all broken apart

is that it was intentionally broken apart.

Yes.

And then it was created as maligned, not good, not good,

devil.

That's the devil.

That's the devil.

So that people would not self-reflect.

That they would not go inward.

That they would give their power away.

My argument was always, because I was a sassy little kid,

was, well, I believe in the first commandment.

And I'm not going to, those are false gods.

I don't want my God to be the preacher at church,

not the priest at their messengers,

but they're not God.

Exactly.

And for me to listen to them over my own heart

when it says, and all the teaching is go to your heart,

the kingdom of heaven is within, I'm going there.

Yes.

I needless to say, I wasn't popular,

but it's okay.

I was aligned.

Listen, you crawled through the trenches so we could walk.

Okay, well, exactly.

Exactly.

And the interesting thing is that along the way

I became very good friends with many spiritual teachers,

with priests, with mystics, with preachers,

because the ones that truly are,

as I don't want to generalize anything,

but there are serious committed people there

that want to elevate other humans.

So one of my teachers said to me when I was very young,

a real teacher will always set the student free.

So that's how you know if you're with a real teacher.

Wow.

Are you afraid, are you or are you enslaved

to someone else's ego

and what they build around them to make you feel afraid?

That's not a real teacher.

Yeah, so it's easy for anyone listening.

What's your experience?

Are you empowered?

Are you connected in your heart?

Do you feel closer?

Do you have angels and guides?

And actually have the experiences you were promised

because miracles will happen, big and little.

Finding your parking spot on a Saturday

when you've got kids in the car

and you've got to get your groceries, it's a miracle.

I got one in the front row.

They're all a mirror.

It's a Einstein said, you can live two ways.

Either nothing's a miracle or everything's a miracle.

And I prefer everything.

Yeah.

So you're doing a beautiful job,

giving power back to people who want to be close

to source to God, to love

and to feel supported in that process

because life is hard.

Life is hard.

And I think what I love about what you teach

and what you said at the beginning

is that you want people to experience more fun

and you want life to be more alive.

And that has really been Rachel's in my experience

and I think once it's almost like,

once you open your heart and it's going back to belief,

once you just open up your heart to say like,

is it out there?

It's amazing how God spirit angels move mountains

to connect in tiny and huge ways,

like the parking lot thing, losing your keys.

I mean, I talk about how I physically felt

angels swarm me after my son was diagnosed with cancer.

And it's like, they're on the ready to just be there.

And I hear something interesting

because I've spent my whole life educating myself

to have really responsible answers to people

who have strong judgment.

So belief is an interesting thing.

It exists in our logic brain

and if you hold on to believe you,

it's like it's a part of you like an arm.

Yes.

So if you ask a person to change a belief for many people,

it's like asking them to cut off their arm

because they don't separate.

That this is something I'm holding in my consciousness.

It's not who I am.

This is why we're having all these belief conversations.

Yes.

So what you recognize is that when you're changing a belief,

you're leaving this little tiny part of your brain

and you're opening up to the other side of your brain,

your creative side and your heart brain.

And you're creating a bigger universe

where you have a more direct experience.

And there's a wonderful woman, her name is Jill Taylor Bolte.

She had a stroke and she wrote a book called My Stroke of Insight.

She was a neurophysicist.

She had a stroke but she was conscious enough

that she watched as her conscious

that negative belief brain,

that rigid third dimension belief brain was shutting down.

But simultaneously her right brain started opening up

and her heart brain started opening up.

And all of a sudden she's in our world of spirit guides

and angels but she was conscious enough

to watch this whole thing happen

as she's on her way to the hospital.

It's a TED talk.

It would be worth your while, My Stroke of Insight.

Okay.

Phenomenal because people will say,

well, I believe this or that, you might say,

well, watch this.

And see if your belief is this,

you locked yourself in a closet and went part of your brain

and there's just so much more that's connected to God.

Your heart and the rest of you can have this angel swarm

as your new normal.

It is your new normal and it's unlimited.

It is truly how much love and support can we tolerate?

How much love and support will we allow?

It'll be that much for you.

That's how much you'll have.

But it has to start little or we'd be too freaked out.

It has to start with the feather on the ground to adjust.

And then we start getting the little synchronicities

and there's my keys and there's a parking space

that we're adjusting.

And then all of a sudden, oh no, I'm in trouble and whoosh.

Finally, we've been waiting for you to call.

We're here.

And that's how it works.

And all you have to do is ask, right?

Yes.

But you have to also be available to receive.

Okay, talk about that a little bit.

I was gonna say.

I was gonna say,

I've ever heard that joke about the guy who worked

for the church and then the brain came

and he was praying to God and then first came the car

and then came the new thing and the helicopter's like,

well, we've been answering.

Yeah.

And then you drown.

He's like, wait, God, you didn't help me.

He's like, well, wait a minute.

I've been helping you trying.

So we have to be willing, you know,

people get very, very addicted to pain,

suffering and isolation because it creates adrenaline

and cortisol on your body, which is addictive.

So to ease out of that to a more peaceful place

takes adjustment.

That's why the angels come bit by bit.

That's why your spirit guides are like,

well, we're here,

but we don't want to shock your nervous system.

We want to have you adjust, adjust, adjust.

So when you pray or when you ask for help,

are you available?

We do have room in your consciousness.

Have ever had a friend come to you and they're in crisis

and they're gonna tell you all about it.

I'm sure both of you are reassuring them

and saying you've got angels and let's calm down.

Let's get grounded and let's calm down.

And they keep going on

about the problem and didn't hear a word you said.

So the first thing is to ask yourself,

well, I got the problem, but are you available to be helped?

Are you available for miracles?

Are you available for angelic and divine intervention?

Is there any part of your inner self that could relax

and surrender to a higher force?

And the word surrender in the definition I love

is to allow a greater force to come in.

Oh my gosh.

You know, this really resonates even from

the standpoint of our podcast, right?

Because we started and both Jason, I have said

it's been such a beautiful lesson for both of us

being doers, right?

Like we're hard workers and we're gonna put one foot

front of the other, we're gonna make it happen.

And it was this beautiful practice of us learning how

to just release the outcomes, allow things to work out

how they're supposed to work out.

Definitely take the next right step,

but not from this energetic of striving.

Like we were in for a while of just following the breadcrumbs

and being led.

And it was this really beautiful dance

that we both have done such a long way.

Because you're testimonial to exactly what we're talking about.

Living in faith is less stepping into the unknown to the ego.

You're following the spirit.

The ego's going, wait a minute, give me an explanation.

That logic brain wants the outcome and you can't.

It's, we haven't had it yet.

We're creating something that hasn't even happened yet,

but we're following the spirit and the dance you had

and that you've stayed faithful,

which means just keep showing up.

Yeah, yeah.

Just keep showing up, but in the heart.

And the reason it was working is because you're in love.

Yeah.

Your heart says, it's all over your energy.

This is love and people listen

because you're broadcasting love.

Yeah.

That is what you're doing.

It's, you feel it.

It's so true.

It is.

That's the underneath all the information

of your Mercurial natures.

It's love.

Your expansive, Jupiter Mercurial.

We really want a big way to communicate

that you're really loved and safe

and you don't have to live a bread, a shamed or small

or it's written or fearful that you're not worthy.

That's the message.

And you can have evidence, evidence.

We're giving you ways to get evidence

so you don't have to believe us.

Yes, and I think, you know, it's funny.

And this is where I have found teachers like you

so impactful to my spirituality,

which is really rooted in the teachings of Jesus

where, you know, it's like be anxious for nothing.

Fear not.

You know, it's like this message over and over again.

But I feel like what was missing is sort of the how

and like how that, what about this?

Do I not have to fear, right?

Or what is available to me outside of these words

in this book to provide evidence to me

that I am protected and loved

in some of the darkest nights of the soul, right?

And that is really where I think

that angels and spirit guides really fill that need, right?

Yeah, they're on standby.

Just because we stand out of our bodies,

our essence, our divine nature isn't contained.

That's why God was so beautiful to create the butterfly.

So we have an actual model of what we're doing

in this earthly existence as we're little caterpillars.

And then we go into our cocoon of lived experience.

And then we realize if I don't change,

if I don't turn to mush and let it all go

and just trust I'm going to survive.

And then I think I'm dying,

but in fact, boom comes one way and boom comes another.

I'm a spirit.

Holy cow.

That's what that is.

It is what it is.

There's an obvious fear that happens

when things go sideways, right?

I mean, our natural human survival, it's survival.

We're on a timer.

Yes.

We are physical creatures and we are temporary.

So we're always going to be navigating that fear

unless we shift our identity from,

I'm just a physical being working against the elements.

And it's all about managing to survive to,

I'm a spiritual being.

And I'm going through this creative process

to learn that I create.

But my ultimate destination is that I'm a spirit

and that I will return to spirit.

A while I'm here, I need to live a spirit.

Yes.

So that existential threat is your ego.

Yeah.

And frankly, the ego's on a timer

because when you transition from the physical,

the ego goes with it.

It's part of the physical.

The ego doesn't transition into the spirit.

That's one thing that I have been,

that I've loved about this whole process

of spiritual development for me is I,

I no longer have this fear of death in the same way.

It's given me so much freedom and peace.

And, you know, I am a spirit having a human experience

for a little while.

I don't know, it's brought me so much comfort.

Even more than comfort, it gives you the power

to have the courage to live.

To make your decisions based

and let's do this podcast.

Let's have our, let's live out.

And it gives you the courage to be,

it gives you the courage to be disappointed.

Yeah.

You know, most people don't follow their heart

because they think a disappointment is bigger

than I can take.

People who live in face and courage is like,

well, if my plan is disappointing,

God will give me another one.

But now this is the one I'm being given.

So I'm going with this one.

And then if I have to pivot,

I'm sure the next version or the next iteration

or the next step will show up.

But most people,

because my experience is that a lot of miles here.

Most people are spiritually guided.

It's natural.

Our hearts do speak to us.

We are not cut off,

but we make choices from the ego.

And so we choose the one that keeps the ego in control.

I need to know what's happening.

I got to be sure.

Let me follow someone else because if it all goes south

or sideways, it's their fault.

I did what they said.

So that's why the word maturity is like, okay,

I will take responsibility for my choices.

I'll show up fully,

which is why my first lesson with my teacher was so important.

It's like you want something, but you didn't show up.

So can I really believe that change my whole life

about what spirituality is about and what intention

and desire and manifestation and power were about?

It's like show up and show up, as you said.

And you can't ask for any guarantee before you show up.

You don't have them right to.

You show up, God already showed up.

Just look around.

Just look at nature, look at this guy, look at the birds.

God showed up, you show up.

And that means quit showing up with a guarantee in advance.

So that's what real faith is.

It's not like I'm gonna listen to what?

This guy or that preacher, this astrologer says,

they'll give me clues of the roadmap,

help me understand the terrain, perhaps,

but I still have to show up.

You just gave me such an aha moment

because I for a long time lived in that place.

In fact, a therapist I worked with was like,

Rachel, you put lights in your cave

but you never go out and show it.

Because you want to make sure that everything's perfect

before we present it in avoiding failure.

And now I'm looking back and I had this immense pull

to take an improv class and I'm now realizing,

I'm like, that was probably my spirit guy.

Do you know, improv classes were made to heal people

who suffered loss of self and abuse.

They were never for entertainment.

Now I didn't know that.

So because what in an improv class,

the only part of you that can show up is who you are.

Oh my gosh.

And it got me comfortable with failure.

I love it because I tell my students to take improv.

People are really lassoes.

I will send them there first.

You can't prepare to keep control.

There's no guarantee.

The only thing that can respond in improv is your spirit.

Oh my gosh.

That's the only part that can be in that,

the minute you start to control,

you've lost the rhythm.

So see, that's how genius your spirit is to take you there.

Yeah, I healed you.

To me, that's a healing.

It truly did.

And that's what I was going to see that improv class.

She learned to do live TV.

I was like, that was a pretty quick healing.

Wasn't it and thorough?

It's like, not only am I supposed to take my twinkle out

to the cave, I'm supposed to put them up on the entire planet,

not for my attention,

but now that I have your attention, let me help you.

Yes.

And that's what you're doing.

Oh, I love that.

Who knew?

And little guides were leading me.

Why you have to tell this story

is so it'll help other people in the cave.

Yeah.

So that is why you had to be in the cave for a while

because they've ever heard somebody talk

and they're, they have all the answers,

but they never had a challenge.

Yeah.

You're going to know it.

I don't want to hear you.

You don't know what I'm thinking.

So it's when, yeah, I get it.

I was there.

Yeah.

And now I found my way here.

Then people can trust you because you're a genuine example.

Yeah.

So well done.

I know.

It was a pretty quick heal.

I remember she was like, yeah, I'm doing improv classes.

And then like, not but three months later,

her husband texted me and he was like,

right, just going to be on live TV tonight,

just so you know, but she doesn't want anybody to know.

I don't want anybody to know.

I'm sorry.

Excuse me.

What?

I love these things.

But it's seen me.

That's a miracle.

It's fearless.

Yeah.

It is a miracle.

Yeah.

Anytime you become more your authentic divine self

and show up in the world that way, it's a miracle.

And it's a miracle that inspires others

because not only do they see you, they feel the vibration

of your authentic self, your open heart,

and your fearless love.

And that is what we need to bring to the planet.

And I have to pause and give credit to Jesa

because she has been that for me.

You always saw it.

Yeah.

You know, you always saw it.

I did.

That's your gift to see the spirit in someone.

I write about that in my second book of hearts desire.

I say, you need a set of believing eyes

when you don't believe in yourself.

Yeah.

Someone believing in who you really are

is the greatest gift to see the real you.

It just opens this channel, right?

You recognize her spirit.

Absolutely.

This was like even years before we started the podcast.

Sure.

Absolutely.

You have lifetimes together.

This is no, my daughter's would say,

not your first rodeo.

That's true.

I know.

It's true.

It's not our first rodeo.

We like locked eyes once and we're like, hey again.

We just had met.

Can you tell us a little bit about, well, actually,

you said something.

I want to get your opinion on this.

You said when our body dies or ego dies,

but you also had mentioned that woman who had a stroke

and it really opened up this whole portal.

And then I've also read that people

who have traumatic brain injuries,

all of a sudden start seeing spirits.

Of course.

Because you're out of that locked closet.

So the brain gets these, we just live in these locked closets

in our brains where we just,

they go around the same parking lot,

rounding around and around.

We have this whole vista.

And so when you have a brain injury or you have a stroke

or you have a near death experience, yes.

You're just how to pull that out of this locked,

little place that you're living in.

And you connect to the rest of you.

And that there's absolutely millions of examples of this,

millions of testimonials, millions,

not a few randoms, millions.

And they're coming on line more and more and more

that we are multidimensional.

When our physical bodies are no longer our main point of focus,

we're still very conscious in the life.

We're very conscious and we're very aware

and we can observe and see if I'm a different dimension.

So like in lieu of us smacking our head on the wall,

we try to like, that's not ideal, that's not preferred.

Take the fast, fast meditate, meditate.

Yeah, engage in the practices in your books.

Why it?

I call the mind, the barking dog.

I call your ego your barking dog.

It's wild, it's trying to protect you.

It's very territorial and it's threatened by everything.

Call the barking dog.

So what I say is if you can't take the barking dog for a run

and like literally do some exercise

because once you get moving, quiet down.

Yes, and then the rest opens up.

So we don't have to like put our lives on the line,

we can just meditate.

Yes, and that's where I have found

most of my mystical experiences.

Whether it's like, you know,

I'm in a traumatic situation,

but I'm so hyper-present that it's silenced

all the other chatter or entertain that.

Yeah, I can't exactly.

It's like all of the normal ego stuff

is just out the window in a millisecond.

It's all of a sudden you're so much more in tune

with what's going on around you.

What is really helping me right now?

Yes, that noise, these opinions,

if I've got a crisis here,

then I have to be highly selective

about what I am entertaining and what I am channeling.

So if we can get to a state like that naturally

through meditation or other ways,

it has the same effects, right?

Here's where I had a very miraculous beginning.

My mother was in World War II.

She was in a prison of war camp in Germany.

She was 12 years old and faced the most heinous

of experiences.

And her spirit said, listen to me.

Everybody else was telling her you're going to die

and what she was experiencing

and her spirit said, listen to me.

I'll take care of you.

She escaped that camp.

No, they were taking her to a camp.

They were, she was on a train to go be exterminated

and the guard looked away one way

and her spirit was standing right in front

of the door of the train and her spirit said, jump.

So she said, I decided I'd rather go by jumping

than be taken away, jumped off the train

and ran, landed in a field.

And she lived in kind of scrounging the field

and then eventually found her way to a barn,

hidden the barn and then the woman who found her

was a German woman.

She said her own daughter had died in all this bombing.

She took my mom in.

My mom was 12.

Then my mom was turned into the local authorities

because she got scared with the local authorities

at the time, the Nazis at random,

the town where she was, which was called

Dingelfing Germany.

They didn't see her as a threat,

so they put her in the kitchen and she helped the cook

and she said it was like being put in a five-star hotel.

So I slept behind the stove at night, but I had worn

and I would get a little bit of food

and occasionally some chocolate.

Then that liberated, then the war ended

and she ended up in a barn living

with a bunch of other refugees

and they all, they would scrounge to survive.

And she said, so did the locals.

Everybody did, it was all, there was nothing.

We all had to be creative.

So one day she was scroungering up wood in the woods

and she saw the newly arriving American soldiers.

And there was one she, that was very handsome

and she said, that's gonna be my boyfriend.

And everybody said to her, you're living a barn,

you smell like a horse, you don't even have decent clothes,

you look like a rag, you're delusional.

And so he was driving through the town one day in this Jeep

and she was smiling at him, but it had just rained

and he splattered her with mud water.

And she got so mad, she took a piece of that one

through it and clunked him in the head.

And that is my dad, that was my dad.

Just fast forward.

So she said, I learned what to listen to.

My spirit said, I'd be okay.

That's incredible.

And that spirit has been, she said,

it'll, your spirit is what you listen to.

You don't listen to the noise.

So true.

She said, that's my miracle and death.

She got typhoid fever.

And when she was in the barn and hanging out in the woods

and got deathly sick, but she lost her hearing.

So she said, I don't hear the noise,

but I hear vibration.

And that's what we were taught to listen to vibration

is the truth.

She goes, I'll tell you the truth.

Well, people say, they don't know.

I'll tell you to be afraid.

They'll tell you to give up.

Just listen to this.

Yes.

Because they will tell you the truth.

I know that.

And that is the language I learned.

In fact, my first book when I wrote it,

I asked the editor that I was a client of mine.

She would read it and she said, is English your first language?

It's like, well, that's embarrassing.

But then I thought about it and I thought, well, it's not.

Vibration is my first language.

Yes.

So your fire is my editor, but I definitely

know what your language is.

I need somebody who gets me, OK?

Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, pretty much.

So what would you say is the difference between angels,

spirit guides?

Well, there's a big difference.

It's like asking what's the difference

between different people in a society?

Your angel or divine messages that we

choose for your whole life.

They work for God.

God sends them to you because God loves you.

They have no human history.

They're just here to keep you on your path

until it's time to go home.

And then we have spirit guides which

are people bent through the human journey.

And they're still growing.

And on the outside of the body, they

want to help you through the human journey

as you help them and all keeps evolving up.

So your spirit guides, we're all connected.

And then we're all helping each other.

And so your spirit guides are the experts,

almost like it's like the armor reserves

or the tutors at school.

And then you have your nurses or your helpers with healing.

And then you have your guides for practical things.

Like, where's the parking spot?

And then you have your guides and teachers.

I get you this book, you get to this class,

you get to this podcast.

They have different areas that they help you with.

And they move in and out as you call them.

And it's their growth and their souls evolving

as they're helping you because we're all connected.

Can I ask you a question about that?

So you know how we all come in with different talents

and passions and things.

So then when we go and we become spirit guides,

do we kind of stay in line with that of what our soul,

like if you're a teacher, are you always a teacher?

I guess that's what I'm wondering.

Well, not necessarily.

We're always evolving in each lifetime.

We're like a thousand faceted crystal.

And every lifetime we'll let another facet emerge

and come alive.

We're not just very simple beings.

We're very complex stars.

We are.

So the guides that would say in one lifetime, I was a teacher.

So and we're multi-dimensional.

So this semester, your imagination's a bit here.

But in one frequency, I'm having human experience

and I'm learning to be a messenger of spirit

in the physical plane.

That's my new self.

On another plane in my dream state,

I might be an opera singer helping someone

in another dimension learning to sing.

Who's always had their voice taken away.

So it's happening.

It only thinks there's this dimension

and they're coming down and dropping in.

But you're dropping in and we're all dropping in.

And yeah, it's such a choreography of genius

that we can't even begin to fully explain it except

where all teachers and students helping one another

on many levels at the same time because we're all connected.

Yes.

Why do you suppose we forget all that when we're born?

Part of it is we forget some.

I don't believe we forget it all.

Right.

We forget some because that is the journey

of coming into this dimension is to learn to create.

So that's the sport of the human experience

is that consciousness creates.

So you're gonna remember enough to be called into

or pulled into the things that are embedded

in etched in your heart.

Like I do need to go to that and probably get out

of this cave and there's nothing logically

that would ask that of me.

But it's something in my soul.

It's not something in my need in my life to survive.

Okay, so that I remember that.

I mean, I'm connected to that.

Do I remember all the details of all my other experiences?

No, because it would be distracting.

Like you said, you need to focus.

To create, you need to focus.

It's just like my teacher said,

all of you didn't show up on time.

I can't help you.

It's not even that we forget.

If we meditate, you'll definitely remember.

And but if you're gonna become fascinated

with other dimensions and other lifetimes

in simultaneous lifetimes, it's a distraction.

Yes, because you're not in the here and now

and you're not being mindful and present

on executing on what you're supposed to do.

That makes so much sense.

Or you may have some enamored feeling

that some other life is more interesting

or more important and I used to be this

and not this past life or this.

That's ego.

Yes, that's just ego.

And I'm not feeling like I'm much and much in this lifetime,

but in another lifetime or in another time,

I was either so big or so little.

It's still all just story.

It doesn't matter.

We're just having experiences to learn

that we're divine creative beings.

So just focus on what's in front of you

and it'll take care of the rest.

Oh my gosh.

This is so good.

Well, thank you.

This has been wonderful.

You're wonderful.

What you're doing is wonderful.

You've created such a bridge out of a limited understanding

of divine nature and helping people.

Remember and validate what they know in their hearts.

I've been teaching a long time.

Nobody's really that disconnected.

Right.

They just need support and reassurance

that you're okay to be empowered.

Yes, it's okay.

And you don't have to be alone.

Not on this plane.

Listen to our podcast and not on this plane.

You've had Angel, you have help.

Yes.

The big lie of the ego is you're alone.

That's the thing.

It's the thing.

Yeah, and I think I'm starting to realize

like what your mom was saying about her biggest gift

was to lose her hearing.

And I think for people that have gone

through really remarkably different experiences,

really traumatic situations

and have experienced beyond the veil.

Right.

They're so fortunate, you know,

and they feel so fortunate

because it makes the fear just go away.

Because once you see it and experience it,

like the dogman, the doctrine,

it doesn't matter anymore.

You're like, no, no, I saw, I'm not afraid.

I'm not afraid.

I'm not afraid.

So it is a blessing because it's like the fear just melts,

but maybe that's what it is.

You go through those experiences

to help other people be less afraid.

You have to be able to say,

if you're going to say,

oh, don't be afraid, just just listen to me.

Why should they?

I know.

If you don't have the history you've had

and the journey you've taken,

then you don't have any legitimacy.

You don't have anything that they can relate to

that would help them feel you're my guide.

Yeah.

So that's why we start to see it's all perfect.

It's all perfect.

I know.

Oh, my gosh, you're such a blessing.

It's crazy.

So are you both.

This has been really fun.

It's really surreal to read somebody's words

and to watch them on a large platform.

And it's such a gift to both of us genuinely

to spend this time with you.

But you know, to talk with you,

but it's like you surpassed all expectations.

And we have high expectations already.

Well, thank you.

Well, thank you.

We're just basically on the same mission.

Let people know you are a beautiful divine creature.

You're never alone.

You have lots of help.

You deserve it.

You're, it's your legacy.

It's your nature.

And the more you allow it,

the more you'll help others have the same.

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