Episode 75: Flat Earth

Currently, you're probably sitting, standing, who knows what, as the world spins around

you, day by day 24 hours the Earth rotates.

But what if the Earth really isn't rotating?

What if the Earth is not a globe?

What if it is truly flat?

Or centuries, people have contested the belief that the Earth is truly a globe, that is

really a flat disk that we all live on, that the world governments have been hiding the

truth from us to keep us from, what is it?

Is it the truth of God?

Is it what's beyond the ice wall?

Who knows?

Join us today as we explore Flat Earth.

Alright everyone, welcome back to Unknown.

Unsolved.

Let's see.

Triple you.

Woohoo.

I'm your, what do I have here today?

I'm your exploring host, Frank.

I'm your skeptical host, Sage.

And we're going to cover some pretty flat topics if you ask me today.

Oh wow.

Haha.

Haha.

What a joke.

Yeah.

Uh, no.

This whole thing is a joke.

There are some people who have some strong words for you, probably, I don't know.

Bring it on.

Is what I say?

I have no announcements today, so I'm going to get into it.

Today, we're going, as I said, a bit flat on the excitement.

We're going to be exploring every Basement Deweller's favorite conspiracy, Flat Earth.

Okay.

And Sage, what do you know about Flat Earth?

Too much.

And I'm about to learn more, and that's still too much.

Knowing it exists as a theory is too much.

But no, Frank and I listened to some podcasts and stuff yesterday while we were driving.

So I do have some knowledge from that.

And you'll probably hear more of my opinions then.

Well, we're going to be talking about how the Earth is in a stupid ball that the elites

tell you.

There's some horizontally challenged disc we reside on.

And as they said, we did listen to the horizontally challenge.

It's a horizontally challenged.

Wouldn't it be vertically challenged?

Oh, crap.

You're right.

Vertically challenged.

Don't they believe it's horizontally challenged?

Horizontally aligned and vertically challenged.

That's how it like my Earth, like a Frisbee.

Wow.

Now, even a Frisbee has too much dimension for these people though.

I am going to be up front here for any profite or a thrirth you are on here right now.

I wonder, oh man, we got another truth or no, you don't.

I'll be honest.

I am going to shit on this conspiracy.

And I know that's a big thing.

That's a big like if he topic with some people because I mean, the flatters people believe

some truly crazy things in my opinion.

And it's not the best thing to use that word because you don't want to alienate them

more.

Then leads them into more fringe and far-right, like far-reaching conspiracies that are pretty

bad.

Yeah.

And it's just there are so many things I listen to about flatters.

There's so many things I read.

It's just I just couldn't be rational about it.

And I am going to be that dickhead today.

Bring it on.

I'm except Frank has never mean so him being a dickhead today is going to be a new experience

for all of us.

Yeah.

I'm going to be a little some of their beliefs, especially one of their dreams.

All in good fun.

All in good fun.

And most of them do not believe in dinosaurs.

It was one of those tip and points for me.

And if you know anything about Mr. Frank, it's that he not only believes in dinosaurs,

he wishes he could be one.

Sure.

About that.

But I'm a big dinosaur.

No.

He's got the tism of dinosaurs.

And he needs a test that they never existed.

That's like that's got to be one of the craziest things to me like all those fossils, they're

fake.

Well, it's and I know it's part of that part of that's cause flat earth comes from a biblical

theory, right?

Yeah.

It's like you cannot have flat earth theory without biblical.

Yeah.

And like the belief that some sex of Christianity right have that is that the earth's only like

6,000 years old or something and like no way dinosaurs existed then one of the most

complete allosaurus fossils is held by the creation music like one of the creation museums

like the arc.

So dumb.

Yeah.

It's kind of sad.

But back to this is your tinfoil hat ready?

Are you ready to delve into the flatness that I'm ready to do your tinfoil hat's not

ready?

No, I fear that if I wore one, everyone would just hear the crinkling of it every time

I moved.

Yeah.

And if you didn't, I would hear it the whole time and I wouldn't have any idea what Frank

was saying cause I'd be so overstimulated.

That's a fair point.

All right.

First, let's get into the background of this.

I don't have much here because I started.

I did this similar to other things where I'm like right in the chronological order.

And then I got into the craziness of it and I'm like the background of this is so fragmented

and so stupid that like it was not worth my time to waste on it.

Our sources in the show notes this week are not going to you much because I listened

to Flat Earthers.

I am not linking them in here because I do not want to give them that attention.

You're welcome.

I guess to go look that shit up yourself but if you want to go store your brain cells

at your own quite literally it gave me a migraine.

It's bad.

It's really bad.

I can't believe how they're beliefs at I don't know.

But the leaf of the shape of the earth goes as far back as we have history.

Early civilizations often depicted the earth as being a disc, sometimes in the void and

sometimes floating in the water.

These beliefs went on for some time but eventually fell out due to empirical data and evidence

that showed that the earth is, I'm pretty sure you used empirical right, but showed

that the earth is in fact round and a globe and...

Global.

Yep.

Wide spread belief of a globe.

Earth is actually older than many think.

The leaf started around the Hellenistic period which is 312 BC to 31 BC.

The first measurement of the circumference of the earth was calculated by Greek mathematician

Aero-Aeroteths in these?

Aero-Aeroteths to these?

Aero-Aeroteths to Aero-Aeroteths in this?

Can you show it to me?

There.

Wait, where?

There.

Aero-Aerotethes?

Aero-Aerotethes in this?

It's Aero-Aerotethes, as I know is the beginning.

Aero-Aerotethes?

Aero-Aerotethethes?

Yeah.

That's such a awful.

Sure.

That's the best we're going to get.

Sorry to his descendants.

Boy, our beast merchant, his good name.

It is a good name.

It's just we're stupidly American.

I can't believe you didn't even say anything about me using the word beast merchant.

I didn't hear you say it so.

Also, sorry if I sound a bit stuffy.

We did some clean today and a lot of dust was picked up.

Not that our house is dusty.

I don't want people to think that because I'm not dirty.

I like to clean.

Atlas is at boarding right now, so we have more time to clean stuff.

We don't always get a clean.

That's a fair.

We get to actually open, go in, get behind certain things and open up some of the closets

and dig in there.

Yeah, and if you know anything about me, it's I'm a clean freak, and my house is really

clean right now, and yeah, if someone came over, I would tell them it's really dirty.

Yeah.

Back to here.

However, as humans are, we can't stay sensible forever.

Of course not.

I love that I wrote that out.

I forgot I wrote that line.

The 1830s came along a man named Samuel Robotham.

Now Robotham?

Wow.

A name.

Or Robotham?

Robotham?

Robotham?

I think it's Robotham.

He saw this void.

Robotham?

There's the ends of the A.M. Robotham.

No, he saw this void of flattery, the belief in was like, oh, that's free real estate guys.

I've been going to take that and I'm going to run with it.

That is going to be by identity in life.

And we love that for him though.

I mean, finding yourself is good.

No, I do not love that firm because it really went off.

He conducted an experiment called the Bedford level experiment in 1838.

The experiment used a six mile portion of the old Bedford River in England.

It was to see if there was a curvature as a boat went down.

It should have eventually started to disappear due to the curvature, but alas, it did not.

Oh.

Now, the reason why I didn't by appearance was because of the refraction from the water,

stuff I do not fully understand.

Okay.

I almost failed physics.

So.

So many things in here were very complex for me.

And I tried to understand my best.

But in 1849, our buddy, Mr. Robotham, or Roboham, wanted to let the world know that we were

truly living on a disc, he got to work and made a pamphlet.

That sounds so dated to make a pamphlet.

It really is 2026 and pamphlets, which were probably big at least still at least 10

years ago.

Yep.

And he called it the Zettetic Astronomy, decided to fuel edgy and publish it under the name

Parallax.

It sounds like a fucking, like, mirror-axe.

Oh, Parallax.

It is the name of villain in DC.

They cause people to shit themselves?

No, no, no.

He's like the embodiment of fear or something against the Green Lanters, I think.

It was in the Green Lantern movie that.

He causes people to shit themselves in fear.

Sure.

But he would later expand this pamphlet into a full book, Earth, not a globe.

The way it just sounds goofy.

Breakfast, not a dinner, cat, not a dog, Monday, not a weekend.

Yeah, that's really stupid.

But I like your examples after that.

Breakfast, not a dinner, by award-winning book.

Mental health, not very good.

Now, we have a dog, not a cat, and that's what I'll tell people.

We have a dog, not a cat.

Yep.

We've got to let them know our dog is not a cat, or is he a cat dog?

Earth, not a globe.

And it's not like Earth, colon, not a globe is Earth, not a globe, one set.

There's no function.

There's no colon.

Okay.

I assume there was.

No, I'm pretty sure there was not.

Oh, my God, that's funny.

Yeah, that's why I had to be so funny.

So not only are these people idiots, they also don't fucking understand.

I know I'm bad with grammar, but God damn.

I'm looking at, I'm pretty sure there's no punctuation, isn't it?

Yep.

It's a panic, it's trying to be careful.

About a globe.

Oh, and the end isn't even fucking to capitalize.

Well, in that, it isn't, but here it is.

Let's take a look.

Let's just make sure.

Yeah, the end is capitalize.

Oh, good.

Okay, geez.

That's so dumb.

That's so dumb.

That's so dumb.

That is available for sale.

It has a 4.6 star rating on Amazon.

Oh, is it 99 cents on Kindle?

Yeah.

Wow.

Zero dollars without a book membership.

Don't support these people.

No, don't give them money.

I don't know.

I don't know who the fuck's making money off of now.

I'm assuming he did.

A lot of what was written in here has gone a long way now.

Okay.

I suppose the model we see much at today when it comes to Flat Earth.

The North Pole is actually the center of the world.

And Antarctica is actually an ice wall around the edge of the disc of the Flat Earth.

This is probably one of my favorite theories.

The Sun and the Moon are 3000 miles above the disc and rotate around the disc like a clock.

Like it's, they're like clock hands, like where they're almost separate of each other

where they spin around or one side's sun, the other side's moon.

But every once in a while, they would pass each other.

No, I don't.

I tried to understand the Eclipse logic, but I did not really have the time and day to

really understand it.

I saw stuff like the fucking Antimune or that the Sun was creating.

The invisible Antimune.

Wasn't there one that was like the Sun was creating its own shadow?

Yes.

Like what in the documentary you were watching?

I don't know.

It's just the two main things and it hurt my brains trying to comprehend them.

I don't go over everything possible Flat Earth in this episode because holy damn.

There's too much and it's too fucking stupid.

Well, they always move the bar.

And if you're listening to this, you probably have at least one brain cell and we would

appreciate it if you didn't lose that one too.

They always move the bar of what it takes to prove them wrong because it's the goalpost

thing.

Yeah.

The goalpost thing is like you have to prove that they are wrong.

They don't have to prove that they're right.

Which is not how science fucking works.

Yeah.

And that's how a lot of conspiracies actually work.

You have to prove their point or their point wrong rather than prove that your point's

right, which is easier to do.

This is how I feel about Charlie Kirk's like debates where he says prove me wrong.

It's like that's not the point of a fucking debate, sir.

Because you're I have to prove my point to you.

Yeah, but you've seen on the assumption that they're right and they're looking for confirmation

for.

Yeah.

Now, this is one of the things that I've seen is like, I've seen a lot of people talk

to even this and this is what I think.

Right now, did you know orbiting around the moon around the earth is a giant, lighted

jack-a-lantern.

Excuse me, what is giant floating jack-a-lantern like the size of the moon going around the

earth right now?

Okay.

Prove me wrong.

You have to prove that it's not there.

I can say it's there, therefore it's there, but until you can prove without shadow of

it out that there's no giant floating jack-a-lantern going around the earth, you're wrong.

It's there.

This would be like me being like, my IQ is 175, prove me wrong, except I'm not going to

take any fucking kind of test to show you that my IQ is 175.

You can make the most bold claims and just, you know, be done with it.

You don't have to actually argue.

My IQ is not 175, I just want everyone to understand that.

I am not smarter than number nine's nine.

I think his was 168.

These guys are.

I can't help it, apparently.

So back to what I was saying, three thousand miles above us are the earth in the moon and

they move like as a clock around us and then another 100 miles up at 3,100 miles in

the cosmos.

I'm sorry, is the cosmos like in it beyond the firmament, which is the glass dome that

is above the, the, the flat earth?

I want to know who named that because I don't understand the name.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I just think of fermented.

I'm like, oh, alcohol, all these fuckers are just drunk as hell, like what the hell?

So Robothon is operating.

He made leaflets, layer called the inconsistency of modern astronomy in opposition to the

scriptures.

So here we have our first definite definitive linking with religion.

Here he wrote about that.

That was not a towards religion, that was the fact that this dude connected his theory

to religion.

I just want to make that clear.

Well, there's so many, like most religious people don't believe in this, but there's a

large number of growing number.

But here he wrote about how scripture and our senses, though our regular senses, lead us

to know that the earth is flat and is real in the globe is a complete lie, death to the

globe.

Okay.

Do you have written down what the scripture says?

No, I didn't feel like writing down the scripture and going through that.

Okay.

I was just curious.

There's so many different things that they point out.

That's so simple.

But from here, the history of flat earth is confusing and quite honestly just irrelevant.

The history of random groups forming and folding here really doesn't aid to its discussion.

All you can tell you is that with the advent of the internet and YouTube, flat earth theory

began to take off with channels like Mark Sargent's channel and globe busters, starting

to be able to be more easily accessible.

You can see them in stuff like a 2018 documentary behind the curve where I got quite a bit

of information.

So he's just ease of access for idiots to say whatever really took off.

Yay.

Man.

So now let's get on to some of these beliefs that we're going to cover some of them.

I'm not going to, as I said, 100% upfront with you, I'm not going to do all of them.

We are working more towards debunking flat earth here, I'll be honest.

I listened to too many flat earth stuff to really want to tackle it all because there's

too many stupid little things they talk about and my brain wants to hurt and I think my

brain wants to hurt me for making it hurt.

So basically you just want to hurt yourself.

Do I need to be concerned about self-injurious behaviors?

I don't, I don't know, talk to my brain but I'm not covering every single flat earth belief.

There's also not enough time to do that here.

I'd have to do like a four-part series if I wanted to cover every single little part

and I'm not taking that time for flat earthers.

I was going to say like Zodiac Killers, the four parts was worth it, for flat earthers,

you should be so fucking grateful we're even giving you any time of day.

We're here, we're so mean to them.

Was that too harsh?

Yeah, that was a little harsh.

We keeping that?

Yeah, we keep it for now.

I'm not usually this mean, it was really hard to listen to them yesterday and today.

It really was hard to listen to them and like I hate to sound rude like this,

but it's hard to put them on equal footing as regular people of opinions.

Especially because like we were watching that documentary today and the dude went to

wear the eclipse like was 100% or like 93% or something.

He kept telling people about how the earth is flat.

And then he like stared at the eclipse with the glasses on and yet still was like,

it's fake, like it's, that's not happening.

I forget what his explanation even was.

Some of them is like there's a secret point in it or your object that flies around the

firmament and occasionally blots out the sun.

If the earth was flat, how would we have night and day?

Oh, well, because it moves on one end and it makes everything dark and the sun's on the other end.

But that's just by the fact how light travels there's no way that would possibly work.

Well, and if the earth is flat, if the sun is on one side, it's still going to cover the whole

fucking thing.

But that's not how light works according to them.

I hate this shit.

Whenever one of my best sources for this was Professor Dave explains and he put that out there,

they don't accept any like thing is the flat earth.

There's a lot of the influencers on it do not accept any contrary to their regular opinion.

You can show them as much evidence and I'll get into it.

They have twice proven themselves that the earth is curved and that it rotates.

That's so fucking stupid.

They deny it.

They already have the idea that they are right and nothing can prove it otherwise.

Now, so flat earthers have a large volume of ideas that they claim

are proofs that we are on a flat earth.

Time to try and break down these absolutely solid quote-unquote scientific claims.

And these are scientific claims, not science or scientism.

Because we believe in science and the religion of scientism,

a close, according to them.

Yeah, scientism is the religion that dictates the globe.

The sage may say she doesn't practice her religion, but

you know, based on how she's a scientism believer.

I don't know how I feel about tism being at the end.

I think that's what they call it.

I guess we really do all have a little bit of the tism.

I think that's what they call it.

That's fine. We'll go with it.

I don't know.

All right.

I'm going to start with talking about gravity.

Because most of what we talk about going forward requires us part to be addressed first.

As many as no, gravity is what makes things go down and not fly off the ground.

Gravity comes from the massive body that is the planet earth

and the rotation causing centrifugal force.

Acceleration gravity is 9.8 meters per second.

As many of you have learned in basic physics classes from high school or college,

I was a physics teaching assistant in college, so I dealt with it a lot.

It also means that flat earthers out there probably think that I

must be some paid person making disinformation.

And man, do I wish I paid for all of this shit I'm saying right now?

Yeah, that would be good.

Deep state, please hire me.

I mean, if it gets us money.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, and that's what talks here.

Money is money.

Money, money, money, money, Mr. Grabs.

So, theory of gravity shows why things work.

Sir Isaac Newton was instrumental in this.

However, many flat earthers will claim that he was part of some secret society or free

mason to just prove it, but really adds nothing to the conversation.

Flat earthers love to point out that the theory of gravity is just a theory,

but that's a poor argument as I saw how theories work in science.

Scientific theories are evidence-based explanations on things that occur

like in nature and whatnot, so it's an explanation.

It's not some conspiracy theory.

Those are different uses of the word theory.

Yeah, and like if you go to like if you're in science classes and stuff like when I was in

college, because I started in the biosciences, like our understanding of theory is that

there's no like proof of things in the world.

There is evidence for those things, which is different than proof because nothing is like,

you know, does that make sense?

Yeah.

Like those make sense to a flat earth or a bill, but

no, like theories are the closest thing that we have to prove when there are evidence,

there's evidence to back them up.

But there's not proof that things like it's hard to explain, but there's no scientific proof.

We just have evidence for things being what they are.

Like proof is such a strong word for this kind of stuff.

So like I don't know if they just take that and they were all with it,

that their own version of flat earth theory is they put that as proof or

enough to take something right now and drop it.

You can determine gravity is still working, but five authors have two words that apparently

count as buoyancy and density.

This shit's so dumb.

Well, it's not that it gets more dumb.

Also, if gravity doesn't exist, why is there a song called gravity from Haspen Hotel?

That's just more propaganda by the Masons Illuminati and maybe other ethnicities that they like

the target.

Yeah, these dudes do all of it.

Yep.

And I said dudes is like, you know, reference to the whole thing.

There's women in there's women in it too.

They're inclusive.

And they're fucking married to each other.

Yep.

Oh, I'll get into that later.

But they claim that we are seeing what we are seeing truly is in gravity,

but the fact that items are more dense than air.

Therefore, it doesn't float on air and buoyancy.

There's this amazing guy on there, YouTube that I mentioned before, Professor Dave explains.

This is a great job at debugging fast,

so a lot of what I'm going to say comes from what I learned from his videos.

Now, a density of items being the real reason things fall instead of gravity, there's a huge issue.

If let's say I have a rock that is more dense than air and there's no gravity,

what happens when I let go of it then, huh?

It doesn't go anywhere.

Well, it should, it should, you know, not go in the air because more dense than the air.

So, it needs to get away from the air, but there's air in every direction.

So, what stops it from going up or sideways instead of always goes down because of gravity?

That's not density and buoyancy.

That's gravity.

If you were solely off density and buoyancy,

there's nothing dictating which direction that rock should go in the air,

because air is in every direction.

It isn't density based on gravity?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure part of it goes.

I know round about way, like...

But what is stopping it?

Like, does that make sense?

What's stopping it from going in another direction?

That's gravity at work.

It's almost like a magnet of like the wrong sides of magnets coming together,

where it can just push itself around or whatever.

It's trying to get away from the air because it's denser than the air.

It can go anywhere.

Summer is always dictates it goes down because gravity is at play.

And also, like, wouldn't that mean that one of the only things that would actually float is helium?

I believe so.

Like, which would mean that nothing else floats.

That's the year whatever determines how fast it falls.

Yeah, but if you're saying buoyancy isn't that if it's lighter than air?

Yeah.

So, like, if it has...

If it's like the only thing that would be technically buoyant,

an air, I guess, would be helium, right?

Because that's why helium balloons.

I think there's other gases that would also float, but it's still the same.

But gas is nonetheless.

There's not man-made objects likely that are going to be less dense than air.

There are more buoyant.

I guess.

Maybe Mothman's buoyant.

That's why he flies.

Or it could just be his wings.

I'll get into that a little bit.

They do have some people do have a rebuttal to this.

Another explanation that the disc that we're standing on is constantly going up at 9.8 meters per second.

Sorry, it's mere per second squared because this is acceleration.

Yeah, that's a very next explanation.

Now, this is just such a basal cessitation.

There's no way to prove this.

But plenty of ways to prove gravity exists.

Look, Milfo further than the Cavendish experiment.

An experiment that can be done in a lab that shows that items exert gravitational force.

Now, when many fly authors were present,

I want to say just deny it and say that's done wrong every time as you heard yesterday.

Obviously, because if I tell you that it's done wrong,

then it proves that I'm right.

Exactly.

Okay, bud.

Mr. or fucking smartest guy in the room.

This is like literally like fucking participation trophy shit.

Yeah.

I'm like, but this is what I believe you have.

Like, I'm right.

Exactly.

I don't want this episode to go too long.

Because this one hurts to talk about understandable.

I also don't want it to go on too long.

But that's okay.

So let's move over to the next best thing they talk about.

Rotation.

They love to talk about how the rotation of the earth is 1,037 miles per hour

at the equator.

And it varies throughout the rest of the earth to just about zero once you get to the top of it.

Like to the poles.

The fly authors like to talk about how we are going so fast that we just fly off the earth right now.

And also mention that, oh first off that,

you know, we're just getting rid of gravity and centrifugal force at that point

because they don't believe in that.

So you have to get to that basis before you can talk about rotation truly.

So dumb.

Now, we're just spinning so fast, but like we have relative motion.

It seems slower because we're so far out.

Yeah.

The closer you get the faster that rotation is going to be,

the further out you're going to go, the less, you know, it's going to be relative.

And I don't know what's so difficult to understand, but apparently it is.

Additionally, they talk about how if we drop an item, why doesn't it just fly away

over 1,000 miles per hour because we're still staying still, but the object isn't.

Well, for those unaware with basic of how basic physics work,

conservation of momentum exists.

And this also explains for things like planes if I was in a plane.

Also, if you were going fast and I dropped something,

the item doesn't fly to the back of the fucking plane.

We are relative.

It's conservation of momentum.

That's Newton's first flaw, right?

Objects and motions will stay in motion unless acted on about,

but acted on by an outside source.

I think so.

No, I think this is different because it's like, when you,

oh, yeah, yeah, that is part, yeah, I believe that's it.

All right, but Rusty on top of that.

Because I was going to say there's three of them and I don't remember the other two.

No, I remember every force has a equal but opposite force.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And then America cannot be created nor destroyed, I think.

Yes.

So the first one is the one about conservation of momentum and object

and motion stays in motion unless acted on by an outside force.

It's like the example you were giving me yesterday of the,

if you're on the bed of a truck.

That's what we heard in the video.

If you're in bed trucking, you're passing a ball between two people.

The ball is not going to just fly back because it is keeping that momentum

whenever you're throwing it.

You throw a ball, it's going to go at the same pace as you because it

can serve as a momentum.

Is this going to conserve that forward moment?

And despite the fact it's detached from the, from the body.

Yeah.

Unless a bird comes in and snatches it like that.

Oh, did you see that soccer game?

Where the bird got, they, they perform CPR on it.

Did the bird die?

I think it did, right?

I don't remember.

But that's a very fragile boat.

I'd like to believe that it lived.

This, this all occurs in a planetary level, but you know what?

Idiots.

We do have some more flat earth police.

We want to go into as well.

But first, let's have a brief message from some of our friends here

who I do not think are flat earth maple syrup and being polite.

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Now let's get on to some more stupidity.

So the flat earthers claim that we cannot see or prove the curvature.

One figure they like to point out is eight inches per mile squared,

which that's just those are two different units of measure.

If one squared one is that but whatever.

They get this from the Zetetic Astronomy made by Mr. Robotham.

He made his own astronomy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

So it claims what the car is supposed to be according to what a calculation show.

But it's not because it does not use trigonometry at all to help find it.

This number comes from those works we talked about.

And as this is back in 1800s, this is why I get from Professor Dave too.

It assumes that the earth is shaped like a parabola.

If you remember that from algebra, that is a basically a shape of a U.

That's not the curvature of the earth.

Yeah, concave.

Yeah.

It's concave versus what?

Convex is the other one.

Are both the same because they're both parabolas just different facing,

but they're both still parabolas.

Yeah, it's a concave parabola.

Yeah, so we're in the parabola shape.

Convex is just a downward parabola, right?

It looks like rainbow.

Yeah, you were either way.

They're both parabolas.

I'm just talking they think that the earth curvature based on their calculation

it should be a part if it really is curved is like a parabola.

So therefore they're not even proving their own theory of flatness.

It's actually just a whole other fucking shape.

They're using bad, no, they're using bad math to say that we're saying

it's a parabola shaped.

They can't even...

Okay, do they think that we are globe truthers or do they think that we're

parabola truthers?

I don't know.

Pick your freaking...

You don't want to do the math because they won't.

You know what they call globe truthers?

They can't.

It's not even that they won't.

It's that they can't.

They call them globe people, globeers.

And my favorite, globe tards.

That's so fucked up.

I've heard globe tards multiple times mentioned in flatter things.

You know what?

I wear that as a badge of honor.

I am a proud, gloved, hard.

I mean, me too, but I'm not going to wear it as a badge.

Because I'm not...

I don't need to tell people

that I believe that the earth is round.

Fair enough.

I'm not like that where I wear fucking shirts and shit that say that the earth is flat.

Mark Sargent wears a shirt that says,

I'm Mark Sargent, Flat Earth RV.

That's pathetic.

Yeah, and that's what he wears around the public.

Again, pathetic.

Honestly, if you're listening, bro, come on the show.

Tell us what you got.

I don't, I don't, I don't.

Wait, do you really want him here?

No.

I like you stay away.

He has decades of stupid straw man arguments that it's just not even worth engaging in.

Guys, I'm very competitive,

but and I'm a mean arguer.

And so if he came on here, like, I can't debate people because I am an asshole.

I would definitely reach out to some white smart.

I mean, have them surprise come on the show.

We like help us out.

I don't want this, I don't want to argue with an idiot alone.

We need someone who's good at, oh, you know, who would be?

What?

My brother.

He's an aerospace engineer.

Oh, so he's part of the Evil Cabal.

Yeah, he would disprove everything that that dude had to say.

All right, back to this.

So there's many tests I've been done to show the curvature of the earth.

There's been pictures that have shown as well and instruments that can prove it.

One of them is using a gyroscope to show the 15 degree per hour rotation.

The best way to find it is actually using a ring laser gyroscope,

which is the most up to date.

One is currently the best method.

Some geniuses at the Proat Flat Earth YouTube channel.

Globe Busters,

that name, they had a Flat Earth believer dropped 20,000 de blooms.

20,000 fucking dollars for a ring laser gyroscope.

I wish I had 20,000 dollars to just roll on stupid shit like that.

I wish that I'd just had 20,000 dollars.

Yes.

Now, they used it and found a 15 degree per hour rotation of the earth.

Problem solved, right?

Wrong.

Nope.

They couldn't accept it and knew that whatever happened was because the gyroscope

was being interfered with by, and say,

he saw the salsa and documentary,

heaven energies coming from the Firmament.

So we had to make a god.

Ridiculous.

They had to make a Gaussian cylinder to block out the heaven energy,

energies, and that didn't work.

So they need a solid business like crystal to put the prove it wrong.

It's just, you know, you're given the proof.

One proof of wrong, they refuse to listen to reason.

You're given the evidence.

Yeah, like they are given the evidence to prove the one way,

and they do not have the evidence to support there.

So therefore, they stand firm in there, which does not make sense.

It's part of the reason I do not respect their viewpoint in this case.

They've been proven wrong time and time again.

They've been given the evidence and they won't all listen.

If not evidence, or if evidence shaped, why not evidence?

Yep.

Now, if evidence shaped, then why prove me wrong?

But they then came that it was actually measuring the rotation of the firmament,

because the firmament rotates.

That's the.

Yes, that's the last fucking dome.

The glass dome, okay.

Sorry, I keep forgetting because it's a fucking stupid.

And I don't mean it's how annoying you.

I'm just annoying if there are arguments.

But additionally, then there was another experiment.

And both these were actually shown in the 2018 documentary behind the curve.

There isn't laser that would stretch across this area of water

and would go through these wooden poles with like wooden like posts with holes in them

to show that the laser beam would go straight the entire time.

And because it would go straight, we'd we'd have a fight earth, right?

Did not fact go straight?

It did curve.

It showed that there was a curve on the earth.

Absolutely ridiculous.

They said it was because of atmospheric conditions,

interference and refraction from the water messed it up.

They keep moving the goalposts every time.

Oh my gosh, it's so dumb.

Yep, yeah, it really is.

Now, there's a few more flat earth pieces to go over.

These are some of the ones I found easier and more important to debunk.

One is compasses.

I saw they claim that there's no south pole pointing compass.

They all point north.

Therefore, there's no south pole.

Checkmate atheist.

This is just dumb.

It's like how what is going on in your brain when you say,

yeah, no, that makes sense.

Why aren't they ever like the compass follows the magnetic fields that go north to south.

I just can't even with some of these.

And if it is just going to follow where the magnetic field is pointing,

it's always going to point north.

Some compasses come with two errors, one point north and south.

Therefore, you have a south point compass.

Fucking idiot.

Cannot handle it.

I'm sorry that our magnet is just point to the way the magnetic field is making them go.

I'm sorry, we can't just break lots of physics and just everything.

Now, we get some lovely claims of how can water flow up?

Some like the point has how water can flow upwards south to north,

like the Nile River.

Well, that's having a northern hemisphere centered world view,

which is kind of self-centered, which a lot of firefighters are great to say

that the Earth is a center of everything.

We are the center of it.

Like earth is, but then the US is the center center?

Like earth is the center of everything, but like also northern hemisphere is everything we

base everything off of that.

Like when you see the Australians, when you see a globe up and down is really true there.

One guy mentioned yes, what I was to be.

You talk about how, well, we're supposed to believe that Australians are just standing upside down.

Oh my goodness.

We're either crazy.

Wait till you explain here how fucking globe works.

Don't there, doesn't there water flush in the opposite direction too?

Yes, that's a different thing.

But they're standing upside down and we're supposed to believe that.

Yes, you're right, O'Eat.

No, what it is is, first off, water for going south to north is because water depends on

elevation.

If you have something fucking higher than something else is going to float downhill.

Does it matter if you're north, south, fucking east, west, east, east,

it's going to flow down.

Simple as that.

The now river starts more elevated than what the EC levels is going to flow this sea level.

Listen, okay.

The now is just a river in Egypt.

If I gave you a ball right now, okay, let's pretend.

Hey, how am I really good joke?

Denial is just their life.

Yeah, it's not a river in Egypt, it's their life.

That would be funny.

I know, sorry.

I'm getting all one of my really pissed off parts.

Let's say you take a ball right now, you call this a globe.

Point you figure at the bottom, okay?

Now turn the globe up.

Oh, look, you're now at the top.

Because in space there is no up and down.

The globe does not act as a top bottom.

You are thinking so, so centered in that.

We only call it a north and south because we've named them north and south because

it's relative to us.

That's how the magnetic field is.

And the earth spins on that axis, but because it spins on that axis,

doesn't mean that space has no direction.

Therefore, space doesn't have an up and down,

but this is using an assumption that is never in bourbon true.

That space is an up and down.

Is that does that make sense what I'm saying?

Yeah, and it's also, I mean, that would be why,

like when astronauts and stuff go out and they're like floating in the earth is not perfect orientation.

Yeah, like there's a lot of different things that you would see from space that would also show

that there's no move, like there's no up and down or side, like what,

there's no up and down in space.

So you took a spaceship and you arrived at earth like an alien did,

there's a chance that their orientation might be that the earth is like spinning like

up to bottom and as it pulls are on the left and right side.

Sure.

It doesn't, it doesn't prevent because there's no direction in space.

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, this is quite simple.

They're stupid.

Australian people aren't just standing upside down their entire time.

Sure, they make right upside down, but yeah.

It's just like that.

I just don't, you know, not even comment on that.

That's true.

He's right upside down.

I was going to let that go.

I just like saying that joke.

Yeah, I don't know.

I just like,

you're right, like that it is a very self centered.

Not only is it like a Western ideal in the way that they're viewing things,

but it's very like, oh, there's a North and a South that we've named North and South

because we arbitrarily decided that those things were North and South.

And we're always on top of this Southern hemisphere,

which does lead to some racism there.

Yeah.

That's a, that's a whole different thing I have looked into before.

There is racism associated with thinking viewing the Northern

hemisphere on top of the Southern hemisphere.

It's seen as a top versus bottom approach that we're above them.

That is a legit issue.

But let's go to tangent of this.

They claim water always levels out and that it never occurs.

First off, it always levels out.

It's just a stupid thing.

Sage, have you ever seen water or up on some like wax paper or maybe a wave?

Yeah.

Is that water curved?

It's wet.

Okay.

Imagine you have a water drop on a table, okay?

Yeah, water droplets around.

Yeah.

And it's not completely flat.

Yeah.

Yeah, water doesn't always level itself out.

That's part of one of the,

and also if it was completely flat,

like it wouldn't even be able to get completely flat if it's on a surface.

Yep.

But yeah, here, that's how water works.

Wow.

I'm learning so many horrible things today.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But a wave, you know, that's curved water, too.

No.

Mm-hmm.

Well, damn, that shit can curve.

Just like a globe has a curve.

No, no, um.

Additionally, I heard one guy mention that

globeers or whatever the exact people

that, oh, no, this is the Australian part.

On water or rotation and experiment,

that flat earth was like the point out is to

if you put water on a ball and spin it super fast,

the water just flies off.

This was like,

checkmate globe tart.

This is the funniest fucking thing to me.

Emma.

Like, is that my right?

Checkmate globe tart?

No.

This is a centrifugal force is a thing.

Yep.

Well, first off, no matter they're dead wrong,

as he was just mentioning,

the earth rotates at one rotation every 24 hours,

which is how you have to rotate this ball

relative motion.

Speed of this ball would, like,

so it would need to be at that,

that same comparative speed.

On top of that,

stuff is kept on earth via gravity.

And this ball is not exerting a strong force of gravity.

Also, you're doing this experiment on fucking earth.

Earth's gravity is acting on it,

cancelling out any minute gravity that ball might have.

So you are,

you cannot actually test the same,

or so it's just such a straw man argument,

but they point to it all the time.

I love it because, like, if you think of,

like, it's almost like to them,

the earth is spinning so fucking fast

that the water would fly everywhere.

And while the earth is spinning at, like,

a decent speed for the size of it,

like, as it has to make a full rotation in the 24 hours,

23 of it's today,

because we had daylight savings last night.

Like,

we're not feeling where we're at that speed.

So, like, water isn't feeling that speed either.

Yep.

Like, and I get that, you know,

what I just said is explainable,

but like relative motion,

but I'm trying to put it in terms of people like me

because I failed both units of relative motion

in both high school and college.

All right.

Well, you ready to move on to now?

So I couldn't even be wrong with my explanation there.

Yeah.

You ready to move?

I don't think so.

Okay.

Are you ready for dictionary part of this?

Dick!

Shenare?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, on the dictionary side,

they have some truly hard positions here.

They talk about how if we're,

if space is as vacuum,

why doesn't it suck up all the water off the earth?

So,

so, earlier today,

Frank was like,

what's a vacuum, do?

And I was like, it sucks,

because I thought he was talking about the household vacuum.

So,

Professor Dave explains,

it's exposed to us,

vacuum's do not suck,

because that's not what a vacuum is.

A vacuum is an empty space.

A power vacuum in war is,

it's not something that sucks people in.

It means that there's nothing there

and everyone fights for it.

The vacuum in space means there's nothing there.

It's not that it's a fucking giant vacuum cleaner in space,

sucking up everything as it goes.

Well, it's like when you're vacuum sealing

like meat products and stuff too,

like the whole point of it is that it's taking away

all of the space of what air was in.

So, it wraps super tightly around the object that's in there.

Yeah, the, so,

one of the fires that we'll think that the vacuum

is going to just suck out all the water from here.

That vacuum noise.

It sounded more like a tornado.

I tried.

Listen, as someone who uses the vacuum,

like at least four times a week,

it's really ridiculous,

and I don't fucking don't know what it sounds like.

I don't know.

But the other thing the last thing I have

is the sun and the moon move.

What?

How the sun and the moon move?

Moon move.

The cows.

That's where they get the cows from.

The cows jumping over the moon.

At 3,000 miles, I don't know.

It's more realistic than apparently the

the globetard like thousands,

millions of miles.

Do you think they believe that there

is actually like a stairway to heaven?

Maybe, I don't know.

Or like a ladder to the moon.

I don't know.

Maybe they might think it's made out cheese.

You know, there are people who believe the moon.

Do you think they go fishing off of it?

Like the Disney?

No, that's pit.

Or Disney pics.

Oh, Dreamworks, sorry.

I thought it was Pixar.

No, Pixar is the light.

Yeah, I don't know.

But they also don't believe in the moon landing too.

And we very said we believe in the moon landing.

So we were in this ball of fight ourselves

from being flat earthers,

like almost 30 episodes ago.

Also, don't they fight the

hollow earth people?

I don't think they're the hollow earth people

because they are not they're not.

Those police are incompatible with each other.

Yeah, I guess I just don't.

I just okay.

I'll hold that to the end.

Okay, so on the movement of these,

they have it that they move like a disc.

They they're moving like two hands

on a clock over the disc.

In this flat-standly-ass-looking world,

they believe it.

Well, then why the hell could I see the moon

sometimes during the day?

And what the fuck are eclipses?

Well, that's the anti-moon or some shit like that

or some secret object.

We've never seen to it actually

kill each other or some such shadow.

I got confused with how many stupid

explanations they have.

I didn't I didn't want to compile fun.

I'm sorry.

But if you want them,

you can search them yourself.

They're dumb.

I almost said the global elite are doing it.

And then I said, oh, wait, I can't say global.

Sorry, because the disc, the disco elite.

The disco elite are launching fake moons.

The anti-moon into the ferment area.

Or fucking whatever.

Firmament.

Thank you very much.

Sure.

Oh, it's firm moment.

Firmament.

Yeah.

I thought it was ferment,

which is why I thought it fermented.

Well, I'm stupid.

Not stupid to see these people.

But anyway, I know the whole philosophy is that they're

they're basically everything is deep state.

Yep.

Now, you must be asking.

How and why do they hide this from us?

First off,

the firefighters mentioned that this is very

synonymous with many other.

Now, you must be asking.

How and why they hide this from us?

First off, the day that the firefighters

mentioned is very synonymous with many other days

that people mentioned,

whether it's the Freemasons,

the Illuminati,

the Elite,

or the Jews,

or many others.

They always have some shadowy group.

They want to destroy and hide the belief in God,

the divine creation,

that is the disc.

It is inherently a Christian conspiracy.

They claim the globe is some way to promote

a satanic or paganistic heliocentric belief.

It is now science.

It's not science.

It's scientism or science of them.

I don't know if that was so stupid.

I had a shirt on for it in the documentary.

Now, how do they hide this?

Well, the Antarctic Treaty is really a military treaty

that all of the signers on patrol the Antarctic

or patrol Antarctica

to make sure no one goes there

to prove the ice wall is real and get over it.

And, you know,

Professor Dave explains asked,

where's the money?

Well, Dave,

have you ever heard of a black budget?

Is what they said?

What is a black budget?

It's just like a secret budget.

That is hidden from everything else.

Bro, we don't even have a budget

for our fucking shit here.

There are black budgets here

and there, I think.

But our government shut down.

There's no way there's this fucking Antarctica thing.

I don't know.

No, it's fucking pathetic.

Now,

uh,

because this is also the proof

because no one can ever go there besides

a military and so-called a scientist.

Those Antarctic cruises to see penguins and stuff,

all propaganda.

Pittsburgh Penguins,

more like Pittsburgh Globe Tards.

Hmm.

Now, have you ever noticed how

almost every movie has some globe-related propaganda?

It's like predictive program,

but worse,

the Truman Show

was reality and we never knew it.

The UN logo,

more like the truth in front of us.

Just like the art piece at the Denver

International Airport,

we brought up in our

one of our first episodes.

Holy callback Batman.

Dinosaurs?

They aren't real yet, either.

And I'm a big dinosaur fan as we mentioned earlier.

In this fact,

a load made me extra upset

over these idiots.

It's really one of the things

that drove me to be like,

okay, I'm really done

just being kind on this.

You're all our idiots.

They are.

They use the globe earth

to push their satanic beliefs

and their evil vaccines.

All that transgender stuff too?

Related to the globe.

They even turn

the lunatic asylum,

like Allegheny,

lunatic asylum,

trans.

That's my part.

That's ridiculous.

You weren't ridiculous.

But the stuff before it?

Yeah, they mentioned that too.

And one of the ones I was doing is like,

it's how they push out their LGBT stuff.

All the transgendarism stuff.

The evil vaccines.

Okay, so you guys were wondering,

us,

globe truthers over here

are using the fact that the globe

is the shape of a spear

to let you know that it's okay to be gay.

Yeah, that globe tells you to be gay every day.

Every time you see a globe in a classroom,

it's just saying be gay, be gay, be gay.

Yeah.

Every globe has a secret transmitter

put in them when they're manufactured.

That's just a-

That's our human right.

But the-

No, it's just a be gay, be gay, be gay, be gay.

So if you have a globe in your house,

be careful.

It might be saying be gay, be gay, be gay, be gay, be gay.

Borshin is how I care.

Borshin is how I care.

But they claim so many people are paid off to do this.

And if you know anything about this-

We're not being paid off to do this.

There's an actual measurement on this

on how many people need to be in a conspiracy

before it becomes too hard to keep up

and with how many people they claim are in the first

no way there won't be millions of whistleblowers at this point.

They say everyone's being paid off top down.

Aye, aye, aye.

So where do you think these flat earthers are now?

I was gonna try to make a funny joke

and I don't even know, somewhere flat.

So-

In the freaking desert, I don't know.

In the big year of 2026,

there's not many left.

Some dedicated followers and influencers like Mark Sargent

and the Glowbusters are still making content for flat earth.

But the pure flat earth believers have become an endangered species.

There's good YouTube video that looks into this

is called Insert of a Flat Earth.

Because what happened was a lot of conspiracies

theories like flat earth kept getting consumed by QAnon.

If you want to know what QAnon is, look at the news-

No, check out QAnon anonymous.

QAA is the name of the podcast now.

Okay, QAA.

They do a really good job of covering QAnon, what it is.

They kind of really consume so many conspiracies like antivacs.

I believe that the government has made a lizard people.

Yeah, new world order, all those type of things.

Distrust over many things.

Basically, everything at the Denver International Airport

is flat earth is there too.

Kind of consumed all of it.

And a lot of the roots to these conspiracies and talks about there

and some other places seem like it's just life is rough

and you need somebody to blame.

A lot of people turn to conspiracies.

And that's where a lot of the antivacs, a lot of the flat earth,

will be used to turn to...

We used to turn to...

...a lot of people were...

...mythology.

Like when never, like praying to gods for there to be rain

and things like that and cursing the gods when there was.

And people a lot of time don't want to see the reality

that the system's broken.

They want to see that there's this boogie man they can point to.

So that's how a lot of these conspiracies go.

Now, additionally with that,

there was the fate of one flat earther

and this is funny and sad at the same time.

In February, on February 22nd, 2020,

a daredevil named...

There are people from COVID.

This is still pre-COVID.

A daredevil named Mike Hughes, not related to Jack,

Quinn or Luke.

Thorne.

But good for them.

He wanted to prove that the earth was flat.

So he was going to take a rocket up.

A several hundred feet into the air.

Well, there was an issue with the deployment and separation

of the return parachute.

And the rocket instead fell out and peded

from the couple hundred feet up with him still in it

and he died instantly on impact.

Oh my god, that's horrible.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter what he believed.

That's still a horrific way to go.

Now, his public relations team did say...

Public relations representative did say that he didn't believe in flat earth

and that was just a PR stunt for publicity.

But other people...

That doesn't make sense.

There's a documentary forum and other people around him

that this was because he believed in flat earth.

It doesn't make sense to say he didn't

when he's testing something like that.

That's not a PR stunt because it's deadly.

Yep.

Now, on top of that,

on the behind the curve,

what's called what we are listening to

while watching earlier,

a lot of people who are flat earthers end up

getting kind of taken like they get separated by their family

and it's hard for them to find people.

I mean, there happens a lot with like people

who believe in QAnon and super far right mega too.

Yeah.

But it's really hard for them to find out.

There's like flat earth people meet like dot com

type thing or...

Farmer's only dot com except it's flat earth.

There's only dot com.

There is.

There's just that.

I mean, I guess you do you man.

Yeah.

Also.

Also, sorry if you hear Atlas,

we recently picked him up and

he was he's excited to see us.

So he's moving around a bit more than usual.

Yeah, he's just excited.

But yeah, so on top of that,

the prevalence of flat earth in a 2020,

it was reported that 10% of Brazilians believe the earth is flat

such a odd specific country.

Well, not every place is polling.

In 2018, you got pulled found around 4%

of the US population believe the earth is flat.

That's too many.

4% of over 300 million is a lot.

That's 12 million individuals.

That's fucking crazy.

Yep, 10%.

So polls 2021,

survey found about 10% of the United States population

believe the earth is flat,

which is over 30 million at that point.

In 2019, you got pulled found 3%

of British people suspected the...

Well, they believed the world is flat.

Guys, that's too many people across the world.

Across the globe.

Yep, not across the disk.

So do people just think that like Japan,

like, where do they split it?

Because like, isn't like Japan and the US,

you would fly from California to Japan.

You wouldn't fly from the East Coast,

the whole world.

They all have their weird action.

But in conclusion,

flat earth despite constant evidence proving

to the contrary of the flat earth belief,

there were belief remains strong within hundreds of millions.

Crazy.

Crazy that the earth is truly not a globe

and as being hidden by us,

the truth of the disk by the globalist,

the elite, the new world order, you name it.

In every life that I'd be part of the elite.

Despite time and time again being proven wrong,

they remain steadfast in their beliefs.

However, the numbers do dwindle

as other conspiracies begin to take their numbers.

So sage, on a scale of one to ten heaven energies,

how many heaven energies do you think do you rate the flat earth?

Can I give it hell energies?

Because it's solo.

Hell energies?

I can't even give one.

Or you know what?

Actually, I changed my mind.

I would rate it a one,

only because the question of

our Australians upside down is valid.

That's good, that's good.

You know, I'll agree.

I'll rate it one solely because of that.

Because if you look at a globe,

you'd think they were upside down.

Tell us, Australians, are you upside down?

They might fall off.

Australians are, I think,

a third or fourth minutes listening to demographic.

Ooh, let us know.

Let us know from Dananda.

All right.

Mate.

All right, that might have been offensive.

All right, so that should be about it for today.

So you have anything else to say?

This is dumb.

I, it might be difficult for me to be friends with you if you believe this,

but I would certainly try,

because I like to hear people out.

But you might need to go to a psych ward.

All right.

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Spread the truth.

The earth is flat.

Break the firmament.

Don't be that stupid, please.

Watch over heaven and your cheese.

Watch over heaven and your cheese.