Episode 753 "14 YEAR DROUGHT TO CUP CONTENDERS"

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Episode 753.

Craig can't get his microphone going.

Might have been the 15 bourbons he had last night.

Might be the bourbon he had early early early this morning at the start of the third period.

Just a what was it?

Craig just a just a little taste.

I wish I could have recorded that conversation we had last night.

That was a good one.

Oh yeah, yeah, it was a good one.

Craig was tearing through the pantry, ripping on his wife's choices of healthy snacks in the house.

Oh, dried strawberry slices, dried mango slices.

The ice cream wasn't good enough.

Like, this is terrible.

I don't even know, some organic friggin' it smells funny.

Like, where are all the good snacks that we used to have in this family?

And now the sudden, we're just, it's we're falling apart.

So instead he goes, yes, that means I'm going to have to have another bourbon.

Yeah.

Good morning.

How are you feeling today?

I feel like shit.

I feel terrible.

Yeah, honestly.

Yeah.

We'll keep this quick, because I know you've got to go get a haircut, which is, I mean,

I think it's hilarious, highest sideburns I've ever seen.

It looks like your sideburns smoked a joint.

That's how high they are.

Oh, buddy.

What are you talking about?

What?

Listen, I mean, I'm not.

Those things are shaved up, I've been living in the 70s, where you've got your sideburns

down to your cheekbone.

No, I, yeah.

That is, that is not.

Jawbone, sorry.

But they're, they're, they're a, they are a respectable, mature, grown-up length.

No, I think, honestly, they're too long.

You look like a weiner.

There's no question about it.

Okay.

All right, I look like a weiner, but speaking of weiner's, I can't start today's show

without talking about this weiner.

George Babcock, 20, 500 games, and I know everybody that played here for multiple years

has tons of George Babcock stories, and they are all amazing.

I've heard the hands-on fire.

I've told people about the time when he brought Chuckie Garlo in, no, combined height, eight

feet.

He brought Chuckie in on his shoulders, the two of them, and threw him on the table with

Gatorade and, and Philadelphia after we beat the flyers in 2006 before we were going

on to play Ottawa.

Yeah.

It might actually might have been the first, first round.

We beat them in the first round, sorry.

Okay.

And all of a sudden, in comes, Georgie running and Chuckie Garlo on his shores, and he

just throws them on the table with the Gatorade and everything and the, is unbelievable.

From hanging soupies stuff up in the top of the Pittsburgh Civic auditorium, all of

his clothes, to stitching guys while it's shut in their jeans at practice.

He's been a part of a lot of pranks and a lot of fun.

He's a wonderful person.

Let me just say that.

Okay.

Wonderful person.

I think he went to school with Timothy McVeigh.

But the funniest story I have of George, when I think of George Babcock, I can't remember

if we went from Buffalo to Washington or another city to Washington, but we were on what the

kids call these days an absolute heater.

And it was the year we won the president's trophy, we were the best team in the league.

All I know is I got this text and it said, look out the side of the bus.

I turned to the guys.

I'm like, Georgie said, look out the side of the bus.

So all the guys shift to one side of the bus, you know the story.

And the bus is like, and there's so many, do you remember how the equipment trucks had

like four doors?

There were some equipment trucks that had four doors and then the cubicle on the back.

Some had two, some had four.

This was a four door cubicle van that Washington capitals had.

So they come to the airport, pick up all the gear.

Now they're racing past the bus, okay.

George isn't driving.

The guys from Washington are driving.

So George is hanging out of the window, naked, at least with his shirt off.

Anyway, I don't know that he was naked inside the rest of the truck, but he had his shirt

off and his arms off and he's like, yeah, we couldn't hear him.

And you could tell, he's like, I'm just yelling at something and all of a sudden you just

see him kind of stop and look in the one direction.

His glasses flew off his head.

That's just George Babcock, man.

I mean, the guy, the guy is iconic, okay.

And I just think he's one of the greatest people I ever met in hockey and it's not because

of the dumb shit that he did.

It's because of how much he loved us, you know, he just loved us.

He loved being around the guys.

He loved, and all the guys loved him like if you didn't like George or Willie or Rip,

I mean, you had a problem, you had an attitude problem if you didn't like these guys.

And I'll never forget that being around those guys after practice when things were done.

And you could just sit in the room and you could sit there all day because they're just

incredible people.

And George Babcock is literally truly like you said, like I said multiple times in my

text to him.

He's a legend.

He's inspirational.

He's kind.

He's funny.

He's professional at times like this joking, funny, charismatic person, but he's also super

professional.

Like super professional.

Can I add something?

I don't want to cut you off.

I want to make sure I add this.

He's extremely talented.

Yes.

You know, like he is.

He could do stuff with equipment that I didn't even know could be done.

I'd love the guy.

I mean, I say that he has been there since I was 18 years old.

And I remember coming into the team when I was 18 and, you know, I, the guys that I remember

the most when I was 18 are the trainers.

He was great to us then and we were nobody's.

We were just prospects.

He didn't have to treat us the way he treated us.

He could have been a dick and been like, you guys haven't earned your stripes, but he

wanted us to be Buffalo Sabers.

He was so proud of being a Buffalo Saber.

And I sent a video in, you know, in one of the, and I said in the video, I said, I hate

the cliche.

Someone bleeds blue and gold.

But I mean, if there's one person that I had to describe that actually fit that, yeah,

I agree with that cliche.

It's George Babcock.

Yep.

I mean, he loves this team.

He loves the players.

He loves the fans, you know, he was supportive of the players.

He was protective of his players and they were, and we were his players.

Like I truly felt like we were his players, you know, and that might sound cheesy, but

you knew I knew that George Babcock would run through a wall for any single one of us,

you know, and there were guys that gave him a hard time.

I'm sure there were guys that were Dix and, but he still did his job and he did it hard

and he did it because he felt it was his duty.

And why he's been around so long, you don't stick around in that job.

If you don't truly love it and feel the love for it.

Yeah.

So congratulations to George 2500 games is mind blowing when you actually think about it.

It's a long, long time and, you know what, I mean, he's, he's so deserving of all this

praise.

Such an awesome, awesome moment.

We'll do a nice little transition here.

The Sabers are worthy of the praise and I sent out a tweet last night from the show and

why I don't even have a personal Twitter account anymore.

So it's so literally my tweets come from the show, but I said, this is the most exciting

team in hockey.

Everybody's talking about them, you know, second game on the road.

You got a hungry San Jose team.

They don't have a great start to the game.

The first period was not great, but they sustained any pressure, you know, worked out the

kinks in their game and they end up winning five, nothing.

It's absolutely crazy what's happening with his team.

I don't know if you saw a Tage Thompson after he scored, went over and acknowledged one

of the drunk fans that had been heckling him all night.

I mean, this guy has brought a swagger to this team and an attitude and an edge that we've

never seen from him before.

Sam Kerrick, the new addition on the fourth line center position has fit in perfectly.

He's got the same mojo and the same bite that I think, Yarmul wanted, veteran guy, a guy

that plays the right way and he's fitting in perfectly.

Logan Stanley last night, I don't know, everybody, listen, I mean, I feel like Logan Stanley

and Luke Shen have been taking a little bit of heat.

Logan Stanley may not look like Owen Power or Skate like Bowen Byram or, you know, have

the skill set of Rasmus Dahlene, but he is a piece to the puzzle.

He is not just the puzzle.

I think everybody's focusing on all the little things that things that he does wrong or,

for me, I think he is going to be a great addition.

He's got to get familiar with the team, start to feel comfortable with the guys, with the

trainers, with the coaches, with his surroundings and period.

And I thought, I thought the last couple games, Logan Stanley has played quite well.

Now that might be because he's playing with frickin, you know, the unicorn, Zach Mezza,

because listen, every time Mezza's on the goddamn ice, every time he plays, he doesn't

get scored on.

He moves the puck extremely well.

He looks like he should be making five million bucks a year and he's, he's just incredible.

And he makes players around him better.

And I tell you, and it happens that from last night, yeah, every single player on the Buffalo

Savers were what plus, yes, everybody, oh, real, okay, every single player was a plus

player.

You think the new guys are loving it here right now?

You think Stanley's loving it here?

I think Tanner Pearson and Shen who are watching, you know, what do they love?

They love the environment, they love winning.

That's what you love.

When I went to San Jose and I got traded to San Jose, I went from a team that was not

going to make the playoffs that year.

Got traded to a team that was probably a top four team, five team in the league.

We won.

I felt like we went there.

And to me, it felt like we won every game, every game, looking around the locker room

and who's sitting in the room.

I'm like, how are we going to lose?

The only way for us to lose is for us not to do the right things.

And great teams are so consistent in how they prepare and how they work and how they

do things.

And the Savers right now, they figured it out.

They do not have an old team.

They're older.

Start of the year.

I think they were the first youngest or second youngest team in the league.

The three years before that, they were the youngest team in the league.

This, this Kevin Adams mindset, and I don't want to talk about him, Petey, just let

me, his mindset was to allow the young players to play, make mistakes, and continue to

push.

And you're starting to see the results.

Matthias Samuelson, you know, Owen Power, Byram, Darlene, all the players that have been

brought in here on defense, whether it's on Forward Line, Zach Benson, who's here when

he was 18, 19, he's now 20, Noah Osland, Peyton Krebs, who's still a younger guy, Josh

Dones, a young guy, all of the players that they brought in have been afforded an opportunity

to make mistakes and learn from them.

And now, all of a sudden, you have a team that is four lines deep, six defenseman deep,

and the two gold tenders are absolutely fantastic.

Consistency and how they play is the most important thing for teams that are in the upper

echelon.

I can't believe it.

I literally can't believe it.

I'm just so pleased, they're the hottest ticket by far when it comes to playing this game

right now.

And the fun thing is, someone brought up the salary cap.

You know how the salary cap, it's at 95 currently right now, goes to 103, I think, and it goes

to 113, and then in three years from now, it's going to be 125, or 130, they say, in

three years.

And there is someone that wrote something in talking about what does this do to the small

market teams?

Well, it's going to force our owner to have to spend if he wants to continue to win.

Well, it's going to, yes, but it's also he's going to have to raise ticket prices.

You can't raise ticket prices when you're like the bottom five teams, we were selling

$22 tickets last year.

Yeah.

The Lindy Ruff Special.

And listen, I mean, Terry Pagul is a smart business man as much as he, I'm sure that

he's lost a lot of money.

Yeah.

But also, did you see what the teams value that these days?

What is it at now?

One, there was three?

Yeah, there were over a billion dollars.

Yeah.

And he bought it for how much?

Two, two, seven, two, eighties, no, I think like he paid like one eighty five or something.

Yeah.

Whatever it is.

Let's just say he built the harbor center.

So I think all in with the locker room and renovation and everything and the rank

and I, he's probably four, four hundred and fifty million in.

So I mean, he's tripled his money.

And then on the bill side, he's, he's made a shit ton of money on that side too.

He paid a billion for and they're worth.

He owns seventy five percent of them and they're worth probably five billion now.

Yeah.

Five, six billion for sure.

Yeah.

So he's, he's done quite well in certain things.

But the Sabers over the over this, you know, black cloud performance over the last fifteen

years, he, he's lost a lot of money because people aren't showing up to the games.

People aren't buying merch like that's where he makes his money to try and, you know, pay

for these, these players is, is through tickets.

And guess what, the, the, the, the fans didn't want to come and I, I don't blame them.

But now, now the things are different.

I mean, it's hard to get a ticket.

The building's absolutely packed and you're, you're watching a very, very exciting hockey

team right now.

How far can this team go when they make the playoffs because it's going to happen?

And I want to talk to you about Alex Tux contract.

I, I sent you something last night, you know, because it sounds like from Elliott Friedman

that the Sabers have gone up a bit in their offer.

That's kind of the rumor.

So I don't know how true that is.

I think he also mentioned something that we said where, you know, it could come down to

how he plays in the playoffs could definitely force their hand.

He's going to be mentioned in our Saber injury update presented by Salino Law, car crash,

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There's no other real injury updates for this team because with the way the team is playing,

it's going to take an injury for someone to get in the lineup and, and Kessel ring.

The injury to Kessel ring are his feelings have got to be really hurt.

And I'm starting to wonder if part of them scratching him isn't his play.

This was his, maybe his Instagram post that he posted and it took down right away.

I don't know what's going on with him.

I don't know if he's completely unhappy or if he's in a position where he's creating disturbance

and he's an issue, then believe me, you know what Lindy Ruff's like.

You know he's not going to put up for that stuff.

He's going to sit him on the bench.

He's going to, he's not even going to address them.

I don't, they don't need negativity.

Let me tell you, Zach Metsa right now is an NHL hockey player.

He should not never hit the minors again.

He has played far too well.

It's not on a small sample size.

You have seen enough of Zach Metsa where he should be playing up here full time, okay?

Logan Stanley was traded here for a, for a very important piece.

A third line, big, physical, heavy, when push comes to shove, you need a Logan Stanley

on your team.

He makes, he makes the players bigger, makes the players play tougher.

He's a piece of the puzzle that they wanted to bring in.

That being said, if you're going to have, you know, a player that may be pouting or not

having the right vibe, that's why Luke Shenz here.

Luke Shenz, 35 years old, he's played in the league of very long time.

The games that I watched them play, he was, he looked a little bit, looked okay, not great,

but he looked okay.

But I totally understand that he would not look perfect as a defenseman in a new system

and understanding players this, that and the other.

The more he would play, the better he would get.

We have depth.

Michael Kesselring is not buying in and it's about Michael Kesselring and not about

the Buffalo Sabers, then he's, he's going to be hosted.

He's going to be gone right now.

It's been what four games he sat out and here's the thing.

I actually thought Michael Kesselring was starting to turn the corner on his game.

He skates well.

He's a big body.

I thought he was creating more on the offensive side of the puck too.

He's a good hockey player and I really do believe that Kesselring had a very, very tough season.

Very tough season.

I had in my mind that we were going to have to pay this guy upwards of $6 million a year

easily.

And now with all of the injuries and the season that he has had, which has not been the best,

now all of a sudden I think he's frustrated, I think he's angry.

I just hope that they can smooth things out and I think the mindset that I would be telling

Michael Kesselring is, listen, I mean, instead of being angry, instead of not being a great

teammate, at the end of the year when things are all said and done, if you play incredibly

good hockey for the last part of the year into playoffs, we will move you and you will

go to a place that you feel is better suited for you.

But you have to play great hockey for us to be able to do that.

So the onus is on him too.

Sabers play the L.A. King's next and they have some key injuries to their lineup.

On the I.R. Joel Armia, he's expected back March 21st, Andre Kuzmanko.

He's out until April 16th if they make the playoffs and Kevin Fiala for those not knowing

he is out with a lower leg fracture and he's out for the season.

It won't be back until next season.

So that's that's kind of that's who the Sabers next opponent is.

Those are some key, those are some key injuries to the L.A. King's.

So I, you know, the Sabers in my opinion, but the way they're playing and L.A.

being banged up and where they're at the standings, you know, Sabers are a favorite in that game.

Listen, I mean, the Sabers right now we're a team that when when you used to go and do a five

man or a five game segment, used to look at the five games that you had coming up.

And at the start of the year, when things were not going well and losses were piling up,

you, you just seem like every game that they played was a tough hockey game.

Now every game that we play, I, I have a feeling every single game.

And the players in that locker room with the confidence that they have,

which is a great thing for Lindy Ruff and the coaches.

Now you just need to help guide that positive confidence that the players,

Lindy Ruff's job now and he's been doing this a very, very long time.

Now it's to not do things where you're helping players gain confidence.

They already have the confidence.

They're already playing insanely well.

They're playing as a team.

There's four lines, six D, two goal tenders.

Now it's about making sure that the team is consistent in the mindset

that every single game they have to play the right way.

And that's what Lindy Ruff is.

I think done, he's, he's done an absolute fantastic job right now.

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Some key wins in the standings last night Boston and Detroit both one Columbus

Blue Jackets are now in a divisional spot.

Not that that affects the savers, but it's just wild.

How they have completely climbed the ranks.

I wanted to talk to you about the Alex talk contract quickly before we get

out of here.

Yeah, salary caps go last night.

Yeah, salary caps going to 104 million.

I went back to when Taj Thompson signed his contract.

And I think the salary cap back then was 85 million or 83 million.

Okay.

And he signed for seven.

He signed for seven years, seven point one, five million or whatever it is.

Yes, that was 8.55% of the salary cap.

If the cap is 104 million, 8.55% of the cap is 8.892 million dollars.

Okay.

Just under nine million.

Yeah, that's a good ballpark range.

Here's the thing though.

That's that's that's put things in perspective.

I like where your head's at.

I love it.

You're saying that Taj Thompson, when he signed his contract for seven point one

four million dollars, it was 8.55% of the cap.

Right.

Yes.

Now you're saying with the cap going up to 104 million next year, Alex

talk if he, if he signs for 8.55% of the cap, it, it comes out to 8.89.

Here's the thing, both players were in different positions.

Alex talk is an unrestricted free agent.

Taj Thompson had one good year under his belt.

He scored 30 equals that year and had 60, I think eight points.

And he signed right after that.

Yeah.

Alex talk has multiple years of performance to be able to, to negotiate.

He's an unrestricted.

He's not in the same position as what Taj was.

And he's had multiple high end years to negotiate with.

So at 8.55 for Taj, it shouldn't be 8.55 for Alex.

Talk because he's in a very different position.

He's unrestricted and he also has many years of performance.

Now, I don't know if I said that's a good range.

It's a good, like it's a good starting point range.

And then you factor in the other things that you're mentioning, the

variables of the two way play, you know, hometown boy, UFA, you know,

that might bump it up.

But even if you're at 9%, you know, it's like 9.3 million.

I mean, it's like, it's right in that ballpark range of the 9.5.

I mean, it's not far off.

So the ask of 10 million is not crazy.

It's not crazy because here's, here's another thing that people don't understand.

A cap at 104 is less than 10%.

Okay. So it goes up.

It's going to even drop even wet about the very next year.

It goes to 113.

Yeah.

That brings and then now significant.

And now they're talking right now.

They're talking about in three years from now, 104 next year, 113.

Then they say it could go as high as 130.

Yeah.

Okay.

So 130 million in your paying Alex, talk 10 million.

It's, it's not that much money.

Yeah, the salary cap is the, the, the, the, the, the, the NHL is thriving right now.

The, the league is thriving.

People are watching it.

It is, it's taken off.

It's been fantastic.

Owners are, are, are, are in a split with the, with the players.

So everyone is happy.

The owners are getting their money.

The players are getting paid.

The revenue is skyrocketing.

You got guys like Terry Pagula who bought the team 15 years ago paid, you know, 200

million per say and all of a sudden 15 years later, the things were at 1.3

million.

Like, so every, there's areas where they're in the NHL, things are thriving.

I just look at, how do you lose Alex talk?

Like how do you, like if, if push comes to shove and Alex talk, that, that doesn't

want to come off 10 million or 10.5 million, it's, to me, it's like, it, it, it's very,

very difficult, very difficult not to sign Alex talk to a contract.

Yeah.

Listen, I mean, I, I'm not sitting here trying to get him for, for way less.

I'm saying that, you know, the 8.55, if you use that as a starting point,

the only reason why I came up with Tage is because of the conversations that we've

heard about how they didn't want to pay him more than Tage and all that stuff.

Well, you're not paying him more than Tage if you're in the same percentage range based

off the salary cap.

Can I ask you a question and maybe you can look this up for me?

So when Rasmus Dahlene signed his contract last year, how much was his cap percentage?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I would take a minute to that, that, that would be something that would be interesting to

see because you have Dahlene, who signs an eight year deal for $88 million.

$11 million a year, he started when 2004, 2005, and that year was how much?

I don't know.

80, it was 88, 88.5.

So I guess, I guess where I was going with with the Tuck conversation and hearing the

Elliott Freeman report was just basically, it sounds promising.

I would love to see them get in five percent.

That was, that was all the percentage, well, 0.5% of the cap.

Yeah, and you know what?

You look at how he's playing.

I mean, how can you, how can you take it away from him?

He's worth every penny.

Yes, it just sounds promising that they're moving.

They're moving a little bit and they want to get the deal done.

I think they're seeing the value in Tuck, I mean, they know the value in Tuck,

but I think they're realizing the whole that he would leave.

And the fact that it's not easy to replace that player.

And there's nobody in your system like him.

Yeah.

So, you know, I mean, that bodes well for the player, but I guess where I was going

with that is just that it sounds a lot more promising these days,

because we haven't heard anything since the 88.5 range offer.

And now it sounds like they've gone up a bit.

So, yeah, it's, it's good.

I mean, all things are good here in Buffalo.

And, and you know, I, I, oh, in power when he signed his contract,

cap contract star percentage was 9.49.

How far can this team go?

Give me an answer.

And then I'm getting out of here.

I don't need a long.

I honestly believe that they can, they, they can lose to multiple teams in this league.

In our conference, how far can they go?

I'm not joking when I say this.

I, I think that they could reach the Stanley Cup finals.

I don't see them not reaching the conference finals if they keep playing the way they're playing.

Yes, listen, then after that, anything, not going to be easy,

but the teams that they're competing with are also flourishing too.

Montreal Canadians are playing extremely well.

The, the Tampa Bay Lightning are, these are just teams in our, in our division.

Tampa Bay is outstanding.

I look at, I look at on the other side.

And, and Carolina Hurricanes has always been a unit.

They've been Tampa Bay smoked the Kanox last night as expected.

We mentioned that right, right.

Yeah, I mean, Tampa Bay really makes me nervous.

Red Wings beat the Canadians in regulation last night.

Three to one.

Yep.

Sounded as a big win for the Red Wings.

Hold on, smoke the Jets six to one in these Buffalo Sabers.

Beat the San Jose Sharks five to nothing.

Sky's the limit for this team.

Gotta go, go get your hair cut.

Thanks for listening, everybody.