Episode 8.11 - Alberta NDP Leader Naheed Nenshi!

Welcome to another episode of the Breakdown, oh, we're dropping in hot tonight, kids,

I have a very limited amount of time with the guest that we have. So I'm going to just forego

all of the normal stuff. His reputation by and large preceded by and large precedes

him. Very excited to welcome to the program, the leader of her majesty's loyal official

opposition. I think is what I'm supposed to say is his majesty's. Oh, Sam, I'm still

getting used to it. I'm very excited to welcome to the program, leader, the NDP, the head

and then she had thank you so much for taking the time to change. Thanks, Nate. It's been

way too long since we've talked in real life, and there is a lot to talk about.

Well, let's get right into it. I got a couple of spicier items that I'm going to add on

as a list, but the big one has to be the provincial budget. The provincial budget has dropped

it. If it's passed, as everyone likes to say, I roll, there's going to be a bunch of things

that come of it. And it's a dynamic conversation because a week ago, it looked like we were

going to be facing a major deficit. But then this whole other thing happened on the other

side of the world that is not to be celebrated. And I feel like I really need to underscore

that. Thanks for saying that. Well, it's horrifying. I don't think anybody should ever be like,

hey, people are getting killed. So high level thoughts, where we are now, on March the 5th,

I assume it's going to change at least five times in the next 24 hours. What are your thoughts

on the provincial budget, sir? Well, listen, regardless of what is happening to the price of oil

today, and I thank you for saying that. Not enough people are saying that we are looking at this,

like, as though it's just something to do with our budget. But this is an existential thing.

People are getting killed, as you say. And we have a regime that has done awful things even

this year to its citizens. So it's a hard one. And none of us should be celebrating any of this.

And I hope that the people who are on will get the peace and prosperity and community that they

so richly deserve after so much oppression. So I hope that we'll get there. But that said,

what all this underlines is the fact that Danielle Smith is the first premier in generations

to actually make us more reliance on the price of oil. So the number of paramedics we have

shouldn't depend on WTI on a Monday morning. The quality of your kid's education shouldn't

depend on that. And this is the dangerous part. So, you know, and if we're going to be super

technical, we're still in March. The fiscal year doesn't start until April. So if President

Trump is correct and this will all wrap up quickly, it will have no impact on the future budget.

But all of that said, the theme of this budget is pretty simple for me. It is so much spending

and so little to show for it. You know, Danielle Smith is increased spending by more than double

the rate of Rachel Nottley. She has record high oil production and nearly a record in royalty

revenues and she still can't balance the budget. And not only can she still not balance the

budget, she's not investing in things that make life better for you and me and for regular

Albertans. There is not a single Albertan who would say the healthcare system is better than it

was seven years ago when the UCP took power or that the education system is better than it was seven

years ago. Things are demonstrably worse. Life is so expensive. The UCP hasn't done a single thing

on the cost of living for people and they're mucking up everything else. You know, healthcare is a great

example. They're record spending and healthcare. Let's not forget that one dollar more than last

year is record spending, right? Every government has had record spending and healthcare. But

they are now creating at last count 11 new agencies to replace AHS because the premier was

mad at Dina Henshaka. She had to wear a mask for a while. Come on, right? And you work in healthcare.

You know that the utter chaos in the system, this is not normal. You know, people are trying to

say healthcare is mess everywhere. It's a problem everywhere. This is not normal. Every single person

who works in healthcare will tell you this is the worst it's ever been and they've never seen anything

like this. And yet more and more money is poured into these bloated contracts and thank you for

never stopping talking about corrupt care and hate because we got to keep talking about it. It's

such a big deal. I don't care if it's not landing the way political strategists would tell me it should

be landing. It's wrong. It's fundamentally wrong and it's taking money away from the front line

to pad the pockets of UCP friends and donors. So I know you can't talk too much about it. But

but all of that said, you know, the priorities are all wrong. This government's priorities are

completely wrong and they're not focused on the things that Albertans care about which are

cost of living healthcare, education and public safety. Instead, we're talking about separatism and

anti-immigrant rhetoric and showing that the government can't balance a budget. So at the end of

the day, look, when I joined the new Democrats, people said to me, but you're good with money,

right? New Democrats have never been good with money. They're good on education. They're good on

healthcare. They good with money. Well, we are good with money. You know, the first balanced

budgets on the prairies came from New Democrat Premiers and these guys who say, you know, we may be

bad on education. We may be bad on healthcare, but at least we're good on the economy. At least

we're good on money are terrible with money. You know, and all I will say to them over and over again

is with very limited fiscal resources, I table the 11 straight balanced budgets with the lowest

house property taxes in the country. It is possible, but these guys have no interest in making it work.

I just want to clarify, you teed me up for this and I can't let it sail by. You talked

earlier about the horrible oppressive regime, which one? Nate? I'm not going to get you to

too much trouble there, but I mean, it is to me telling, and this is going to pivot to some degree

to my next question. It is to some degree telling that we live in a time where there's a lot of

different options that that can be chosen from. And by way of example, you talked a little bit

about crop care. I'll talk about it. I mean, the whole point of this exercise is to not be silenced

for me. So I'll get into it. We saw today, I think it's like a day after a Senate hearing in the

United States. I don't know what made me think about the United States after we talked about that

that regime. I just pulled it out of the ether. But we saw today, Christy Nome was removed

from her position with the Department of Homeland Enforcement or whatever it's called.

I'm doing a bit. And that came after the heels of a Senate testimony where it was revealed that

there were concerns about a contract that where she funneled, not she specifically.

Allegedly, there are concerns that a friend of hers got $148 million in a kind of sort of

sole source contract. And it seemed that right after that is when she got removed by President

Trump. I'm curious, like, $148 million sounds like a lot of money. But for the things that the

NDP have talked about inside of the legislature, there's very reason, good reason to have questions

as to whether or not there were sole source contracts in Alberta that exceeded $148 million.

Christy Nome is one of Daniel Smith's heroes. She's articulated that on multiple podcasts. What are

your thoughts on that whole confluence of things? Well, first of all, if you're puppy in South Dakota,

take cover. But the more important part of this is you're right. When Daniel Smith was asked,

multiple times, who are your political heroes? She didn't say, you know, John Deven Baker,

John A. McDonald. She said, Christy Nome. Christy Nome and Ron DeSantis. And is this her role model,

really? And when we look at the challenges that this government has had just in health care,

if you're just talking about corrupt care, nearly $100 million on the Turkish tie one all deal.

It came out to something like $14,000 per bottle delivered. That's crazy. $100 million on

Dinalife and billions of dollars on these chartered surgical facilities that have not

in fact reduced weight times for surgery. And clearly, we're given out through a procurement

process that didn't look for value for money. When we realized that some people were paying way,

some facilities were getting paid way more than other facilities. The government put on a floor

saying everyone would be paid how much the most facilities were getting paid instead of trying to

save money. The reason you do this kind of thing, the reason you do RFPs and you look for other

providers is to save money. And this government doesn't understand how to do an RFP. They don't

understand how to do procurement. They don't understand how to save money. And then the fact that,

a whole bunch of these contracts have gone to a guy who happens to be related to the Justice

Minister, who happens to be the Justice Minister's best friend, who doesn't have, near as I can tell,

any health care experience prior to getting contracts from this government, who has,

shall we say, a checkered past has been the subject of multiple lawsuits. And suddenly,

he's getting all this money in contracts that we don't understand how they were actually awarded.

These are all very big problems. And the fact that the government actually cancelled the

procurements, which are the very procurements that the former CEO complained about, they got her fired,

and then they went ahead and cancelled them. Doesn't that mean she was right?

I think there's a lot of people and it's going to be fascinating to see how that comes out

in the wash because even just recently last week, I think it was the Minister of Hospitals

Matt Jones stood up and said, oh yeah, the procurements were totally not, they did not follow the

rules at all. And that's what they accused the former CEO of Alberta Health Services,

the sentiments, lobless of being obsessed on and wrong about. And that's why they had to fire

her. But now they're in the legislature saying, would you hire her back if you got elected?

Oh geez, that's a hard question. I don't know her. In fact, I've never actually spoken to her,

but what, and I'm sure she's had an unbelievable resume, really an unbelievable resume.

And I've been very impressed with how she's held herself over this period of time.

But that said, remember she was also Danielle Smith's hand-picked choice. There was no search for that

job. Danielle Smith plucked her out of the Alberta Medical Association and put her into that role and

then fired her, which is a continual theme with this government. They hired their cronies and

their buddies. I'm not saying Athena was a cronie or a buddy, but they hand-picked people.

And then when those people don't do their bidding, they fire them. I mean, Athena was what,

the fifth or sixth CEO of AHS since the UCP took power. And I think every one of them was chosen

without a select, without a process. So every one of them was hand-picked by the UCP,

and every one of them ended up getting fired when they wouldn't do the UCP's bidding.

One of the questions that I want to ask you, and I think this is an important one that I think a

lot of people want to hear the answer to, is the ground of, hey, the UCP screwed this up.

Danielle Smith screwed this up. It is very, very fertile ground. It keeps me so busy.

But I think one of the big questions is, what would you and the ADP do differently?

And it's feels like it's a really low bar to hit. But I think one of the things that

I got ahead of my higher bar than that. We got ahead of my higher bar than will do better than the

UCP. Yeah. So let me start with, let me start with will do better than the UCP.

Sorry, I cut you off, Nate, but I think I know where you were going. Is there more to the question?

No, I think the question that I'll phrase it this way. I think what a lot of people are looking for

is somebody to not just say we're not going to burn your house down, but to talk about the house

that they will build. And so is there a vision? Is there an ahead and then she vision for the house

to be built for Alberta? Yeah, very much so. And you know, if you're really bordering in Somniac,

as a listener, I encourage you to seek out my maiden speech in the house, which was not in fact

the first time I spoke in the house because my first day in the house was the day that they used

the notwithstanding clause on the teachers. So in my first two days in the house, you'll appreciate

this because you kind of nerdy about this stuff, Nate. In my first two days in the house, I gave two one

hour long speeches, which are among the longest speeches given in that legislature in a long time.

And after that, I said, okay, that's enough. Now I'm just going to do question period, which is 35 seconds

long. And then two weeks later, they use the notwithstanding clause three more times. And I had to give a

90 minute speech, which I think is the longest speech in the legislature in generations on the

use the history of the notwithstanding clause and why they were using it wrong in Peter Law. He'd

would be rolling in his grave if he knew what she was doing. That said, that maiden speech, I try to

set out a little bit of that vision, but I'll give you a little bit of it now. It's kind of boring

in some ways because it's going back to the Alberta that we know is possible. The reason this place

is so special is because we let people succeed here. So for many, many years, I've said, in Alberta,

it doesn't matter what your last name is or who your daddy was or where you went to school,

or what you look like or how you worship or who you love. What matters is to have great ideas

and are you willing to work hard to make them happen. And if so, Alberta opens herself up to helping

you succeed. That's the story of my family. We started out very poor, very poor. We struggled hard,

but Alberta took a bet on me. And that's what we have to do. It's not just about we'll fix the

UCP's mistakes. So to be clear, we'll fix the UCP's mistakes. But we have to have a bigger vision

for what is possible here. You know, I always use the little rhetorical phrase, if you like,

that it's impossible to dream small under a sky this big. But I really believe it.

And so while some of it's boring, when we say we will promise you ethical and competent government,

it's important. You know, I will promise you that if elected, when elected in Shallah, as I always say,

you won't wake up every morning and turn on the news and be scared about what your government did

last night. You know, maybe you won't hear from me for a long time because we're busy getting

the work done. But what you will have is a vibrant economy and opportunity for everyone to prosper

decent good jobs. We'll take control of cost of living. We will make sure that the public services

that you need are there when you need them, whether it's healthcare, education, or public safety.

And we'll talk a lot more specifics about that when we get closer to an election about how

exactly we'll do that. But the thing that I need Albertans to understand is that you deserve

a better government. You don't have to stand for this. You deserve a government that shares your

values, that shares your priorities, that is focused on the things that matter to you. So Nate,

I'm just going to tell a story that I've been telling a lot in the last week. Two Saturdays

ago, I had been away for a few days and I got back to Calgary and it was bitterly cold. And I was

driving around doing some errands. We were actually organizing a surprise 85th birthday party for

my mom. And I got back just in time to do the work. But as I was driving around, I drove by the

whitehorn sea train station near where I live in Calgary. And there were about I would say five to

600 people standing in line in the bitter cold. And I didn't know why they were there. I thought,

oh, is there shuttle buses? But that's too many people waiting for a bus. So me being me instead of

just letting it go, I turned around, made an illegal U-turn parked my car and went to figure out

what was going on and started to talk to the people. And what I learned was this was people waiting

in line for a food hamper from the Guru Nanak free kitchen and an amazing group of volunteers

here in Calgary organized by the sick community, but representing people with every faith background.

And they told me people had been in line there for three or four hours already. It was minus 28.

And they said that the week before they had served 3,800 families and they were expecting more

this week. They do it every Saturday. And I remembered a bloodless statistic which said that

one in three homes in Calgary face food insecurity. So here in the richest city in the country,

one in three families don't have enough to eat every month. That's what we have to work on.

And that's not Alberta. Alberta is a place. And I bet you every single one of those people works hard

every single day. But they just can't make ends meet. And that's what we got to do better on.

So yeah, I've looked there and you know, you and I love this stuff. And I can give you the 42 point

policy plan on what Luanne Metz has designed on how we're going to fix education. Health care,

excuse me, she's healthcare or what Amanda Chapman has done on education, right? We have the plans.

We know what we're doing. But critically, what I need people to understand is that we're focused on

everyday people's priorities. We're focused on making life better. We're not focused on scoring

political points in the legislature. But we have to do that too. I'm a little nervous about this

whole making government boring again thing because it sounds like you're trying to kill my show, sir.

But don't worry. You know me. I got a big mouth. I'll always say stuff that you can go what?

Perfect. As long as I still I'd love to be able to just do an hour on Sundays as opposed to two

hours. But right. And you talk to I'm going to go there, sir. I'm going to I'm going to get myself

into trouble. You talked about your maiden speech and the policy pieces there. There is a conversation

that's happening right now, Ryan, Ryan Jessperson done his his little podcast there. He had Max

Fawcett that little show, right? A little show. He says the same thing about the breakdown. So it's

all fair. He had Max Fawcett on. And there has been a conversation that has been brewing. And I

really do want to get your answer. I really do want to get your response to this because

you know, the breakdown was the source of the video that circulated immediately after the

speech that you did at the municipal plaza right before you announced your run for the. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. What did you do to me? I know, right?

But it was and I'm going to be totally clear here. I've seen you speak many times.

I've lived in Calgary for a couple years. And I've seen you speak many times. That was the

most fired up that I think I've ever seen you. And I was like, whoa, what is this gear?

This is something else. And it seems like that gear has not been engaged with the same

frequency that I think a lot of people were maybe hoping for. And I think this is my interpretation

of the the criticism from from Max Fawcett and others has been that there was that gear there.

And it was very exciting. And it was it was powerful. And where did it go? And so to the the critics

who are saying had then she has not been using that gear or he has not been all of the things

they're critical of. What's your response, sir? I mean, look at the record, right? Which is,

we just had a record fundraising quarter. We are building up our capacity to win in writings

across the province. And there have been a few public polls in a whole bunch of private polls

over the last little while. I just got one today that I really wish people would release publicly

and they won't, which drives me nuts. But I'm now up to 10 polls since basically just before Christmas.

Of those 10 polls, four show that we would absolutely cream the UCP and on the election. We are far

ahead. Three show that it's basically a tie. And I think a tie means we win. We know how to run

campaigns. I'm looking forward to being toe-to-toe with Danielle Smith in the debate. And then three say

they will cream us. So the point is that I don't need to win a poll today. And I don't want to be

cruel to anyone. But I don't see my job as getting people who are supportive of us

fired up every single day. You know, we always accuse the UCP of rage farming of just keeping

people angry all the time. And there's a lot of work we have to do together as a movement

to make sure that we have what we need in order to win. And so that gear is there. We just don't

use it every day. Because Ask Pierre Paul, you have what happens when you win the time between

elections. But then you have nothing left for the election. And I know that sounds very technocratic,

very like manipulative. But at the end of the day, we have to keep Albertans hopes up. We have to

be able to help people remember that a better government is possible. And to do that, we have to

appeal to people who never would have thought of voting for the over to new Democrats. You know,

not necessarily appeal to people who are already hardwired to vote for us, though they're important.

They're the ones who do the work. They're the ones who get the money. They're the ones who knock on

the doors, right? So it's a tricky balance. But I will tell you something. One thing that I have found

remarkable about the last couple of weeks and a few progressive folks in an echo chamber talking

to one another and Ryling one another up is the fact that somehow they think that because I like to

highlight and showcase the brilliant members of my team, particularly the women on my team,

that that somehow was sign of weakness for me. Listen, Maggie Pensionley is amazing and she

swears more than I do. So, you know, I was able to feed her a line that she could say that I

couldn't say, which has become very viral, right? But she's amazing. And she speaks to people in

different ways. Jody Kelley, who's Stonehouse, you know, one can spend five minutes with Jody

Kelley, who's Stonehouse and not become her accolade. Like I'd be scared if Jody decided to become

a cult leader. That would be a problem for all of us. I think she's coming on your show soon too.

Yes. You know, Cord Ellingston, the former chief economist of Calgary Economic Development out front

talking about how we can fix the budget and how we can do economic development and create jobs.

I love that. And you know, Nate, I'll tell you something. I think you probably talked about this

before. I've been out, was an outsider to partisan politics. In fact, as we speak, it's almost exactly

two years since I jumped into this race. Almost exactly two years, a little more than two years

since you filmed me on a very cold day in municipal plaza. But a lot of people were concerned saying,

well, and I was a little concerned saying, what's this caucus going to be like? You know,

they're new Democrats, they're partisans. They've always been that way. I don't know where

many of them very well. And what I learned is that I've got, you know, thank you Rachel Naughtley,

thank you Sarah Hoffman and the people who did the recruitment for candidates, right? I have this

unbelievable group of 38 people so skilled from so many different backgrounds and able to talk to

people in ways that even I, the quote unquote, great communicator, I'm not necessarily able to talk

to. So I want moms to hear from moms. I want people with kids in school to hear from parents who

are struggling to get the lunches done every day. And for me, that is a great way to showcase the

fact that we've got a team. You know, Nate, you follow politics every day. I bet off the top of

your head, you couldn't name more than a 10 Alberta cabinet ministers. I could. I could. I probably

I'm that far down the rabbit hole. Okay, how about the back benchers? Can you name all of them?

Probably not. Probably not. But, but you know my point, right? Which is I want people to understand,

it's not just this beautiful face, but it's an entire team of people from every corner of the

province working hard to make this work. So listen, would I prefer if every public pool said I

was 20 points ahead? Well, make my life easier. But ultimately, we're doing the hard work that it's

going to take in order to get elected because ultimately that's our goal here. Our goal is not to

be right all the time or to make people feel good about us fighting with the premier all the time.

Our goal is to give Albertans the better government that they deserve. And we are singularly

laser focused on making that happen. And my caucus is 100% unified, which is awesome because it's

a big tent, right? There are people who, you know, vary on the political spectrum, but who are all

really galvanized and focused on the fact that we believe that every Albertan deserves prosperity,

that every life is a life that deserves dignity, and that we deserve to create a better economy and

better public services for everyone. So Alberta can thrive. Pretty simple. And at the end of the day,

after seven years of UCP government, life is demonstrably worse than almost every way for people.

And we want to get back to your previous question to say, not only will we fix that,

but we'll go back to an Alberta where you can achieve your dreams and an Alberta where every single one

of us can share an extraordinary prosperity. And that's my goal. And then, and I've got the team to

do it. And that's what we're going to keep working on every single day. And we're going to win that

next election in Shallah. I swear you were watching the clock as you, as you hit that last, last

couple of paragraphs, they're very well done. It is kind of a, it is kind of a political politician

thing that we do. But you know what? We do have a couple more minutes. So if you have anything else

you want to ask, I'm happy to take it. Well, I'm happy to plug the conversation that's upcoming

with with Jordi Calhirston house, because I you're not wrong. That she's brilliant. And I'm so stoked

to be able to have her on the show. I guess the last question that I'll throw out to you as a sort

of a broad stroke. I mean, first of all, for the record, it was not me that filmed you. We got

sent the video because that's we rely on the hive mind very aggressively here. And the DMs today

is my favorite thing to see on your on your media feed. What happened now? You know, it's funny. I've

never been sued for it from the DMs. Interesting. Right. My last question for you, like I know that

there are some bills that the NDP are proposing in this legislative session. I'm sure they'll be

wildly successful because we have such a collaborative government. What are the big things that you

want people to take away from the the bills that are forthcoming? Let's let's let's leave it at that.

Yeah, thanks. So there's there's a weird legislative rule that I can't talk about the content of a

bill until it's been introduced, but I can give you the vague themes. And so what we did in the fall

with all of our private members bills and motions was to try to give people a sense of what a new

Democrat government would look like back to your earlier question. And so we were really laser focused

on health care, on education, and on the cost of living. So to give you an example, we put forth a

pretty simple bill, which has been done very successfully in other jurisdictions, which is to end

the practice of shrinkflation at the grocery store. In other words, shrinking the packages and

charging the same price for it. And all you really need to do is do a simple thing saying you have

to put it on the label saying, new lower, lower size, right? And people stopped and the grocer

stopped doing it. It's a simple thing. It's been successful in many places. The UCP voted it down.

We put in a resolution bill to talk about energy storage, which is something the UCP has said

they're in favor of. Long story short, it's kind of complicated, but Najo and Elginate is another

one of those brilliant MLAs who really knows her stuff. And we put in this thing to enable the

basically it lowers your electricity grid, electricity prices by allowing grid scale storage

on the grid, which means when you have an abundance of solar or wind, you can store it and keep

the prices down for when you need peaking. That's the very simplistic version of a pretty complicated

thing. The UCP said they believed in that, they voted it down. We have a resolution protecting

whistleblowers that will be back in front of the legislature probably as early as Monday.

The UCP is going to vote it down. And so we're not being showy or setting traps for them as they

always do with their government motions. On us, we're just trying to show people that there are

things that can be done to make your life better. And the government votes it down every single

time. So this session, I'm being really careful because I don't want to get in trouble with any

specifics, but you're going to see motions from us that further look at irritating things in your

life that increase your cost of living that are directly under the control of the provincial

government that we can get rid of. We are going to be looking at real motions on the healthcare

workforce and how we can ensure that we are planning for a workforce for the future. For the first

time ever, I heard the premier this week say, we need to think about where the doctors and nurses

are coming from. You know, Dr. Lewand Metz, who is the MLA for Calgary varsity, I've asked her

for the last year and a half to sort of step away from the cut and thrust of daily politics

and to talk to experts in frontline healthcare workers about how we can actually create a better

healthcare system, better than what AHS was before and certainly better than what we have now.

So we're going to be kind of hinting at some of those things through our private members motions

going forward. And yes, every single one of them will fail. Yeah, I mean, that's given. Rapid

fire. Cool minds, yes or no, on the Easter slopes. Oh, yes, I love them. No, absolutely not.

Corblond is doing great work, folks. You know, he is not someone with a big political

machine behind him. Sign up, get signatures. I highly recommend this. Let's use the UCP's

referendum legislation for good instead of for evil. How excited are you for any? I don't know

forthcoming reports from the auditor general. You think they'll come? So this is a this is a

this is an eight pipe special breakdown special here, which is the auditor general's contract

ends at the end of this month, I think, as soon anyway, end of April. It's the April. Thank you.

That is is and I don't know the auditor general because I think that's very important that that

person stays independent. But I sure hope he's Russian to the bell and getting the stuff done.

All right. Now, thank you so much for being as generous with the time as you have. I don't want to

be disrespectful of it and try to take more and more and more and I will and I'm your your

comms person in the corner will kill me. Well, mate, I want to say one thing very sincerely to you.

When I read the breakdown and when I watch the breakdown, sometimes I'm like seriously

buddy, but the vast majority of the time, I am deeply grateful for the service you are providing

to Elbruns in a time where the traditional media is losing its capacity to do investigative work.

We got a guy. I don't know if you're in your basement or upstairs, but we got a guy in Calgary

in North Calgary doing the work and it really, really, really matters. And so I am incredibly

grateful for what you do every single day, even when I go dude, seriously, and I am so happy that

you're continuing to do the work at great personal risk. And I think all of Elbruns, oh, you're a

dead of gratitude. So thank you for what you do. Well, thank you. So it is a team effort and I cannot

I can't take all the credit because there's a group of Elbruns that are doing an amazing job

of saying, yeah, I can't stick my head out all the way, but this is not allowed to happen

on my watch. And it is through the support of our entire audience that we're able to accomplish

what we do. So, but the courage of people in this province is unsurpassed and you are giving

them an outlet for that. And thank you for doing it. Well, thank you very much for that, sir.

Thank you very much for taking the time. And I look forward to hopefully chatting again with you soon.

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