Episode 99: The Rocketfellers #12 Deep Dive

0:00Hey, Ghost Machine fans, this one's for you. Welcome to the Ghost Machine fans podcast episode 99 while it's time for us to return to the world of the unbelievable well not just yet but we're so close. This time around we're deep diving into one of the last issues under the family out of sea moniker before we start up Ghost Machine first crossover event this summer. I am Becky and as usual I'm joined by my fabulous husband Nick how are you? I'm fantastic I'm getting to record this podcast after finishing a very lengthy and stressful real-life work event that went well and there's no better way the capstone

1:06something like that that's been time with you talking about our favorite comic book publisher Ghost Machine. I know I'm really glad we're back to normal. Yeah we've been super busy and to kick things off as usual although I am pretty stoked to return to the family oddesties aka the unbelievable after the recent announcements that have been made. We must do a shout out and this time it is for the WAM lab or WAM lab HQ that's WH-AM L-A-B HQ on Instagram. They recently were a part of a group of collaborators that sent over a very cool real about Hyde Street 10 and the different variant covers for Hyde Street 10 especially that really cool Bugsy Berry one and it was WAM lab Xavier Fernandez

2:07and collectors Paradise and the WAM lab they make these cool stands for like the stands and the retail stores and then you could use them in your house too so if you want something that's cool to stand your comic books up with then make sure to check out WAM lab HQ they haven't sent us any free stuff to say that we're only shouting them out because they did the collab with us in Xavier so can't be more excited for more Ghost Machine content coming from the fan base out there. Yeah it's awesome we love it but now we must look in the word once again with the news. Today is Wednesday March 11th making March 16th the next final order cut-off date for Geiger number 23 so make sure to pre-order your copy today and also the biggest news we may have ever had our hundredth episode is coming up

3:22and it'll air one week from today and we'll feature none other than Jeff John's and Brian Hitch and we're gonna do a red coat character deep dive with the very creators. I'm hyped. Hi big things going on. From the win in Wednesday. Definitely that's gonna be a week from today so that'll be Wednesday March 18th at that episode airs we're gonna ask lots of questions about how they came up with the character Simon Pure. Definitely gonna ask lots of questions about the movie that was announced and first Ghost as well as I'm sure we'll punch on the unbelievable when the guide books and the other exciting stuff that Ghost Machine has going on in 2026 so make sure to tune in for that historic episode of the Ghost Machine fans podcast it's going to be a little over two years since we've been doing it

4:26on that episode airs so no better way to ring it in than with some superstar guest appearances. Very exciting. But now we're gonna talk about the Rocket Bellers number 12. This one got me pretty hard but before we talk about the heart wrenching situation let's talk about the covers that are available to you if you haven't had a chance to swoop up your copy of the Rocket Bellers number 12 just yet. You read the physical copy of this book this time around snuggle and you actually had the A cover yeah. I did I did and I really like this cover. Describe it is the Rocket Feller family on a rocket ship I don't know but it's Christmas seems so you know the dads in the Santa suit and they've all got like elf ears

5:29or reindeer antlers on but for me the prize of this cover is the giant frog. That's funny. I like the fact that Rex has a Rudolph nose on. Yeah it's so cute. And that's the thing if you look closely it's actually just an extension of Rex what they're writing is part of Rex. Yeah yeah yeah. I didn't notice that until just now I thought it was just kind of like a fun ship space situation that they were gonna use to be able to have this cool Christmas illustration. So this issue came out in February of 2026 and there's not really a ton of Christmas content in here the the original advert for this did indicate there was going to be some Christmas stuff going on so however it worked out I don't really care and you know it doesn't really bother me and this is something that I briefly wanted to touch on because I hear negativity about delays a

6:30lot and about context and things like this and I just you know it's a certainly a bummer when like I have to wait longer to read the comics that I really like like if I could read Rook X to this every month but I yeah of course who wouldn't do that but it doesn't fill me with iron vitriol to know that my favorite comics are not always gonna come out exactly when they were planned or exactly every month because there's so many good comics to read and far be it for me to say that you should read anything out of the ghost machine ever but it is the run of songs of awesome independent comics so you know this this is one of those funny covers to me that's like why is there a Christmas cover like comic that came out in February and honestly there's not really a lot of Christmas content in this book other than just the Christmas card reference so if anything to me this illustration represents where they all really wish they were doing and feeling

7:30instead of the actual situation they're in inside of the book okay my one thing is if individuals are upset about Christmas themed content coming out in February because it is this this book is set during Christmas time we know this from clues throughout what we're about to discuss right who cares one it note was everyone in 1992 upset about the fact that they released a Batman movie set in Christmas in June I think not or maybe they weren't were they I don't know I didn't realize that many returns came out in June yeah believe it for me something doesn't have to come out during the holiday for it to be occurring in the holiday big reminder that this is fiction

8:40typically things come out during those periods of time to make the movie the book etc more popular it just happened to be what's going on in this book I if it could be Christmas all year long great right yeah and it is probably my favorite cover I really I like the rocket pillars I really like this cover of the rocket pillars I think it's a bummer that Rosie can't be there in some way a grandma you know but I do really like I don't like I don't I like this cover so much that I don't care that this actual scene may never be represented in the comic well you want to know a Becky theory that has no fact behind it so the frog is the little girl's stuffy right right and she's really attached to it probably a little bit of transference there she she's so close to the

9:46frog because it reminds her of her grandma yeah this is this is like where the wonderful happy family wishes they could be at Christmas compared to what we actually see that they experience yeah you know yeah we get a little bit of joy at the beginning of the book it's on the cover no all right so that is a great cover so this one usually we would say the all Francis manifold and he did do the pencils and the inks but did you notice that it says on the inside cover that Peter's neighbor assisted and when I look it up online it says that what snaver did was colors well that's really cool I like that yeah it makes me wonder I like the colors they're super great very cool be cover is a bit of a diversion and this one actually does have grandma Rosie in the background I believe this is a pink Lloyd homage yes yes and so it's got it it has the

10:52the ship so it has like the prism coming in from one side which is the rocket ship and then the other side is them coming out of it and it's like the prism is the time portal or whatever is the way that I look at that but even even grandma is still in that one and this cover was by Leonardo well that could it throw and I've seen him do some other stuff before he's done I believe a couple ago some sheen covers but it's hard to really cool and his name is really fun to say oh yeah love that love to see cool stuff like that in comics I like homage is because there's not really a lot of places that that you can do that you know like any more maybe a movie poster here and there but then people just think it's like a remake of a thing yeah so very cool thanks Lee and Nardo now I thought it would be appropriate since it's been a little while since we read a rocket feller's comic that we actually read the previously in here so on the run from the 25th century

11:57protecting stolen life extension tech rollin rocket feller and his family hide in the year 2025 they are hunted by the tech conglomerate chronics and its lead security officer rollin's sister rena rocket feller but rena finally caught up with them and rollin agreed to go back to the future with her using a home spun time machine until it exploded in the sky two things to point out for the ghost machine fans this specifically states stolen life extension tech so we do know that that is its primary purpose and that home's this is a reminder that home spun time machine that was home spun by richie rocket feller who had created like a like a suit that had that capability and that's what what happened there and then also in this interior cover we I see these these time traveling folks the sculling them older people that are introduced in this

13:02episode so I we're going to talk a lot more about them but we can only do so if we appropriately spoiler pause in this very moment you've been warned and now snuggle can you give us a quick creator roll call yes we've got Peter J Tomassi story and words Francis manifold story and art and Rob Lee our king of letters Brian Cunningham friend of the show the editor and see blackwell designer and it dies right into the action because the ship suit thingy that Rowland was in and Reyna was holding onto him it exploded and when it exploded they saw a bunch of stuff fall

14:07from the sky and and I really like how Francis started this out right and that's the s h u n k oh oh I mean it's the sound of the laser lightning superstar going into the ground I really really really like the colors on this page that it's it's hard to work with shades of brown but I think that it really actually made kind of this dust explosion cloud pop yeah it's really cool Francis does explosions really really well and that's because the thing that they were flying off and exploded and then crashes to the ground so there's still pieces of it significant like a lot of tech that crashes to the ground makes like a small crater and I like how the whole family is running towards it the whole family is

15:09present because Richie goes dad Rachel goes Rowland and Rodney goes son and it's just a cool panel where it reminds everybody like this is the family and then the will get you out of there and this is where we know things have gone awry because we see the whole family looking you know it's like if you were in the whole looking out that's what you would see well it's neat because of how the light comes in behind Rachel and you can see Raina's hands from Raina's point of view kind of then shadow and such a really cool dynamic thing to do with lighting from a coloration standpoint and and it's neat Ray is holding that frog in that moment the frog you were talking about yeah that's what I'm saying she takes that thing with her everywhere I'm not I'm by no means saying that it's you know her grandma but we do get attached to things like that to replace

16:11something lost especially at a young age like that definitely so as they pull back the debris they see Raina rather immediately and she asks them for help and Rodney is ready to just grab the sword and you know go to probably it seems like it do something I mean there's only a couple of things you can do with the sword first and that just shows you how much he doesn't view her because of the nanotechnology that's in her he's like my daughter is gone because that is like technically his daughter and he's like yeah I'll help you let me just cut you into pieces yeah because because Rachel is like leaves the sword alone but yeah it takes a couple of seconds because it it seems like Raina's disoriented she's asking for help she's talking about being in pain and Rachel does does can't take it and she

17:18screams at him what happened to Roland where is he and then she doesn't and then Raina doesn't know who that is and then it becomes clear rather rapidly that she has amnesia the or doesn't recognize them temporarily you know isn't shocked or whatever but she doesn't know who they are yeah I like I like this plot I do too what makes you say that one she's been the villain this whole time so it could unfold so many you know in storytelling this could unfold in different ways right she could be forever not really remembering anything like a short term amnesia type situation where she doesn't remember the bad so whatever story they tell her she just kind of takes it as back right or everything's good and dandy they start to rebuild a relationship with the real Raina and then

18:21the nanobots take back over it just leaves a lot of room for storytelling and we get to see her actually not as a super villain for a bit it reminds you that she's actually a part of this family which has been difficult to do that's a really good point right because it seems as though she always chose Jacob yeah and and kind of did some reprehensible things as a result even though they'll talk about you know their time with her like especially Ray and it made me think that perhaps to your point about how it gives a lot of story avenues it made me think that maybe this amnesia is also parallel to a lack of like the connection to Jacob or chronics is severed you know at least temporarily because we've gotten the impression that like he could still communicate with her and

19:22connect to her and see maybe even like see through her eye and all that kind of stuff but it seems like that's not present now does he reconnect at some point and then it's like you and then he can like instill like and cuz it kind of got the impression after a while that even though she did make her decisions for him that maybe maybe not have been the best as the tech got more and more and more and more and more into her body and life and everything it influenced her more and more and even in the early stages when she started making the Jacob instead of the family kind of decisions she had a little bit of the nano board tech she had like the hand yeah so maybe that's just been building up over time but then that makes you wonder if the connection is severed then will she be able to sustain the nano tech that's in her body as well to be determined yeah so they take us to Ronda's diner which is a place that does

20:24validate your it is a Christmas story point because they got the tree and they have the garland and imagine the people working there it's Christmas time and how somber this boot looks but I will point out I think the person is taking it the hardest has to be Richie because the little detail that he has in any of his pancakes I feel is pretty significant oh yeah it's definitely indicating that he feels he feels horrible but right away can't really do this in other types of media like I guess you can do it in film but I feel it is even more effective in this visual medium because we don't get a little narrator that says and so as a result of that the family went to a diner and decided that they were going to tell Reyna a good story like we don't get that we get them sitting around a diner table and Reyna is in the middle and everyone around her is really sad she looks really sad and then she

21:30says so we're all from the future and I'm a veteran of the Space Force kidnapped by a rogue time traveling agent of a secret program in this era of earth and you my family came back in time to rescue me but my brother Roland died and Rachel correct missing not that and so we very quickly get so much from these incredible creators we get a somber tone we get incredible sadness and we get the exposition that oh they lied to her yeah they definitely lied and but there's some nobility in this there's goodness in the fact that they despite this absolutely horrible moment in their families like existence where they are all in incredible I'm sure they're in physical pain if I was unable to know where your Bruce were I would be in physical pain not just emotional pain but the pain of the emotion would have caused me to feel ill I'm sure I know like that's what this shows but then all in just the feeling I know and they choose to take the

22:32opportunity to help her essentially help her like if she never gets her memory back this is a better existence you know 100% they don't they don't start off with like you know actually you've been chasing us you killed your own mom you're very evil your husbands is weird blob of a human who has a couple of nanobots at them and you guys are like tech villains that are traveling through time no they they instantly just tell a different story you know I do like the panel where it's two separate panels that attach together where it's Rachel on one side with one half of Reina's face and then Rodney on the other side with honestly the more broken half of the face and they do it again in the different views like on one side I feel like this is storytelling of she is separated from her evil right now she's separate from the nanobots that are controlling

23:38her because you get what the human side and then you see the full bad side does that make sense I think that yeah it allows you to see the camera moving around the perspective of everybody at the table and I like how the side that the bad side is also the Rodney side because he's been through so much pain and disappointment with her and yeah they didn't even mention some more of that in the bio at the end and and it wraps up that set of panels with Ray asking Reina if her I heard and Reina ironically says no you can clearly tell with a little bit more and a really neat panel where Ray has drawn a picture of Reina and says she was a special army hero that it's almost like bringing the perception of the lie to a reality in some ways and I mean she actually

24:39was an army hero before they're fall from grace so that is true but that's here's when we see you know Richie's not gonna eat and ultimately they're I mean they're all just paralyzed with grief and fear that they're not you're gonna find him again what's the story telling that we get a panel of each individual's expressions during this moment and it ends with Rayna saying and genuine sadness because she doesn't remember anything I don't remember what role it looked like and it's her own brother I thought that might be foreshadowing to an opportunity that they might have later like if they if she sees him in this state she won't know it's him and that you makes she wonder if there's like something that could occur as a result of that yeah or if it's Peter

25:42Tamasi's way of just really letting us know like hey she's she's totally gone like she does not even have memories of him at this point it you know it's clear that the owner of the diner Randa is also serving everybody and I thought it was funny how she had an R name too but they there's this like local knucklehead that comes in and he's picking some stuff up and he's getting mad that there's some city flickers over there you know what though I think in four panels they somehow made this dude is picking up all these apple pies for Christmas with his facial expressions in general just kind of despicable like the face he looks what's up with these city slickers in the pirate yeah he does he does two despicable things he finds out that she's a veteran and he still makes a joke about that being a pirate thing and then he also asks for alcohol

26:49on the go that he can drink in his vehicle yeah so you kind of get that little double like god that human crap human probably something bad gonna happen to that guy later yeah and what did you think of that thank you for your service moment is she says thanks but this scene it kind of made me realize not to sound silly that they all have on buddies that they obviously bought from like a gas station or what because it's all like New Mexico New Mexico New Mexico as somber as this issue is that's kind of funny oh it's very funny yeah because they have to hide their super suits or whatever they're your astronauts so they all got cheesy hoodies and they do realize though that hey they should probably ditch their vehicle because now they're still hiding essentially right but they don't know so this would be hard because you'd be like oh if we keep rena with us can they find us

27:53but like you know like should we keep that would that would be something I would be concerned about that like the evil time traveling chronics people could get to us and use her like a beacon if we were them now I have things to say about the next panel we see who's Callie and Mulder yes yeah I got some speculation okay so just throwing this out here I think the doubt is in dead I think he went back to 1945 oh I'm sure he's not dead at this point like it's in 1945 well so he's like you said the first guy says it's been quite sometimes since the gadget was detonated here so detonated means bomb made me wonder if had something to do with atomic testing the world's first nuclear explosion occurred on July 16 1945

28:55when a plutonium emplosion device was tested at a site located 210 miles south of Los Alamos in Mexico it it actually we do know what the gadget is then we know exactly what they're referring to they're referring to the first nuclear bomb test presumably I guess you know a atomic energy might have something to do with the suit that that was being used but that is a very specific historical reference because what they say is aside from the VW van the test results confirm a temporal displacement energy lays to within some of the debris so we know he went into time jump yeah some kind so yeah I mean it's very possible but I think it also is emphasizing that like atomic energy is similar to time jump energy in some way and of course the agents go to the gas station we got good old bud reading rook Exodus mind you yeah and he says sure would like to get me one of those crazy masks but that was funny yeah that's awesome

29:59and this is the dude that they stole the truck from and he assumes that the people walking into the gas station are like police that are there to help with that but they don't even talk to them they just zap him with their pink zapper what a weird way to get information out of somebody well I guess before that he said well about time someone came about my stolen truck and that's really all they needed to know so they could have just left and instead they mess up the play pretty instantly and steal a candy bar and she points out that the price for the candy bar is really outrageous yeah that made me wonder if she's supposed to be from the past or something I don't know I mean her outfit alludes to it yeah and it was the trench coat style type of thing yeah

31:00crazy boots they both have that like government agent vibe and I could be they both look like old school government agent not futuristic government agent but he does have his napper a pink zapper and that seems futuristic then we cut to arrowhead RV park you know that's where our friends Frankie with the apple pies and the eggnog was going they already caught they already made him a mark too we know exactly what they were gonna do when you see them in the bushes they're gonna steal that dudes RV yeah they because we're looking for another vehicle at because they want to ditch ditch the truck because they know they've stolen it but Francis and Peter used this as just a brief moment to remind everyone like yeah we're all sad and hungry and miserable because they see

32:01a few children making s'mores and then you see Richie Rex and Ray like looking their lips and looking kind of sad and then you see a couple with Nistletoe and Rachel is visibly upset and Rodney's putting his hand on her shoulder to console her and it's like man that's a lot to get out yeah the fuse like a few panels that someone created you know like that's that's really awesome to me because I imagine that's a lot like what very sophisticated film storytelling does because that that would help like a director tell that these people like what they're trying to convey and these like really brief moments and make it pre darn intense yeah dude goes back into his RV and they're all in there and they just wipe it and do not take much time which is tossing him out and I think you know between the fact that we knew he drove while drinking and that he was profoundly disrespectful to veterans the audience is like yeah get that RV rocket fellers

33:06and he got to feel a little bit out for him because there's no other way to say this he was clearly taking a poop yeah that was a bummer yeah yeah he's like hey I do like that when he's putting back on his pants I'm pretty sure there's some toilet paper that's sticking out yeah that is the funny detail it is there are a lot of little details inside this RV because you can you know Richie's crying and you're even at one point see the birds did you notice on the second panel they're kind of like next to a hot plate or a cooker of some kind the two birds in their nest that Ray keeps with her there yes which is very cute so this is where he got her on his bathroom has a poster that says danger zone what a guy Frank hey Frank he's a character they'll always make it all I have but Richie's on his own crying because he blames himself for what happened

34:15and it's not like he's saying like my dad's dad he's saying my dad's gone and he knows that the thing it seems like he knows that the thing couldn't function correctly but that it probably made some sort of time jump but I imagine that not knowing could mean anything you know I mean like it could have sent him back to the triassic it could have sent him into a black hole like who knows but it definitely seems like Richie has no sense of like we could do this or that to track him down because it's just hopeless now it's like even if my dad is alive I don't know how I'll ever find him again yeah it's super hard it's super hard we're a really family oriented group over here at the Ghost Machine fans podcast and thinking about this situation was really difficult for me well and while she's consoling him you got rage is standing there patiently

35:17and raise sweater by the way which is a new Mexico thing says believe which I'm assuming is like alien oriented but I do like the fact that first is the most positive of the bunch like she picked something that was like believe because she is so positive like she doesn't I don't think that girl thinks her dad's dead she's like it's fine she is super positive but she also has been clairvoyant several times so perhaps her vibe her demeanor her outlook and even her shirt are an indicator that there should be hope here so we we see she's trying to show her mom how do you like our family Christmas card and I'm just gonna boldly say I think retrospect it would have been cool to have a C cover that was like the A cover but

36:21rain raised drawing yeah but it's really cute because she says I'm gonna save it and give it to daddy when we see him which sends her mom pause but she is so positive like now if I'm just gonna give this to dad when I see him so she doesn't think this is the end she's really the most positive individual in this situation absolutely and that gives me optimism as a reader but I just like that kind of fourth wall stuff this reminds me a little bit of like the fact that there's a junkyard Joe comic strip and junkyard Joe comics too I know it's not exactly the same thing but that the child character in the book sketched out and drew the basis for the cover the A cover that's not something I see very much yeah and it's just something for the reader like there's no you know there's no marketing element to that and and that feels really good you

37:27know there's there's and that's just a lot of fun to me that scene would never happen in the film or show no matter how successful this you know franchise or whatever you call it would become if that were to happen you don't have a way to translate the fact that Francis Manipule's actual comic recover is easily you know akin to the thing that the character does because they're never there will never be that yeah so it at best if there was like Rockefeller TV show and she helped that up fans of the comic would know but that would be yeah but Rodney and Rachel are often the driver's seat talking about how crazy all of this is and how hard it all of it is and Rodney points out similar to what I was saying that we don't know we don't know what the deal is with the nano boards we don't know how much of it is rena as the person and how much of it is nano boards you know we just because she doesn't remember it doesn't mean she's not a threat

38:32yep keep your friends close but your enemies closer yeah that's what he says about her he so he considers her enemy yeah and our pink zappers because that's all we got to go on for now we don't know we don't have a name for our special government look well look like government agents of some time they really are shoot first and ask questions afterwards like they don't need to reveal their technology just keep on doing it yeah yeah I mean it's that same pink you of the nano boards so it makes you think that that's something like how connected to that other tech but maybe they're from a different era but they they don't seem like they're part of the time zone protection program because they're way more like you know smoking man government agent man and blacky yeah it is good that there's like at least one funny moment because rena burns the food and she says she

39:34must not have been good at cooking like I thought that was a little funny yeah I don't even know what she's making but it is definitely burnt maybe an attempt at a pancake yeah I don't know it could be for sure it does show us that she doesn't really get the advanced technology stuff because she's like the dog can prepare meals and old rena would have known that you know what I mean that's a good point that makes you wonder like to what level of familiarity with the current age or culture would an amnesiac be because if she never regains any of her memory then you would think that it wouldn't be the dog can prepare meals it would start with things like how to talk like ever seen regarding Henry with Harrison Ford or the somebody that uses his memory but he has to like relearn how to talk and walk and everything like but he does it and you can but in this case it's more

40:36specific like she understands the concept of this is how you cook a thing but she doesn't remember advanced technology because she certainly has no sense of the nano board stuff or like I guess they haven't really explained that they probably told her that like she has this technology because of what happened to her in the war and and that's how they they did what they did to help her or something but they're on their way back to Olympia and they point out that wherever we're together that's our home which is another reminder that this is a family out of seed soon to be unbelievable and it is a very far drive and there's a bio about rena in here and it it points out a couple of kind of new things it specifically points out that Jacob as he became the blob the nano blob that he is that his decisions began lacking compassion and so presumably that speaks to

41:39what we were saying about how like rena slowly over time changed with her the technology being more the kind of like beta yeah and it does say that rolling and rolled the family in the time zone protection program so we know of the time zone protection program was used for like people that were witnesses and stuff like remember how she she went back like the other character went back picked up the guy from the old west and everything and then like the charges were dropped so he didn't have to be part of the program anymore whatever but this implies that one could go to them and be like we're in danger we need to enroll in your program and they can just do it but to me it made it so I thought I thought it was done like on the slide like I don't think they're officially part of the program I feel like because his brother's part of it and his brother's new wife that they're getting getting the benefits of the time zone protection organization but

42:39that they're not like officially they're not on the books right that's what that's what they were on the books they could be found and then also at the end of these bios ever since jsa by Jeff Johns and early odds jsa by Jeff Johns and David Goyer there's always like it's something at the end that alludes to something related to plot which is another reason that you should really get excited about those ghost machine guidebooks that are going to be comprised entirely of these because there's a bunch of new stuff that is going to talk about plots but in this case it points out that we don't know what other benefits or drawbacks the nano-borgs in rena's body may bring her and to me as a as a fan of Jeff Johns from decades that means we're going to see some benefits and drawbacks that we don't know about yeah and and that's cool awesome to be back in this world really excited about the future of it with the unbelievable and everything that Brian Cunningham told us about really seems like they have a lot lot lot plan and I dig I dig it

43:46widening scope and us learning more about the different fun characters that they have put together on that map that we saw recently amazing but to wrap things up for this amazing episode of the ghost machine fans podcast we must as usual read a fantastic male would you like to do so snuggle sure love the name of this fantastic male it's from play the fan and they say what stage is the red coat movie in and does it have anything to do with the rumors online for a few years ago about a Geiger TV series from what the internet said one of the producers named for the movie is this guy Charles rovin who was a producer on Oppenheimer and one of our favorite movies the dark night the script is complete yes that's the impression that I have

44:54there was a fun post I think that Jeff put out a while ago that was like just a picture of the the the front of it and the best way to answer this question lay the fan and I wonder if this person has a clock or on their neck that they walk around the world with but this is a really good question for us to ask in a week when we talk to Jeff and Brian about the movie all I can really say now is that I understand that the script is written like snuggle said and that's exciting because that's means that I would think that that's the step in the in a direction of production but I don't know anything about movies and optioning and all those things that we hear about nowadays in the comic book world because a lot of comic books become movies but the second half of the question is does it have anything to do with the the rumors online at a Geiger TV show and if you you've looked that out there's there's some Geiger TV stuff from a couple of years ago I think related

45:56to Paramount and there hasn't been any talk of it in quite some time but it was like a it was like a cool shot of what looked like that Gary Frank panel splash page of the Jeep and the desert with the lizard type of thing if I recall correctly but in all the red coat movie announcements and exciting things we have not seen anything mentioned about that so I whether it's connected to that in particular I don't know I would think that it's going to have you know illusions to the rest of the world at the end named and not just the 100% red coat but I would think that the first red coat joint would be like 95% red coat so that people don't get confused it's a little bit different than comic book medium where you can cover stuff in but I have no idea that's why we're going to talk to Jeff and Brian about it so we will ask these questions on your behalf as well as many others so make sure to tune in next week for our interview with Jeff Johns and Brian Hitch

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