Erika Kirk’s Best Friend Speaks Out on Candace Owens

Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the right podcast. We have been so looking forward to this one today

We have with us Tracey Martin who is a multi-generational holistic life coach host of the podcast forged

She's a wife mom grandma and she also happens to be one of Erica Kirk's best friends

You might have seen her on a recent podcast with Graham Allen and it was that appearance that made us want to talk to you

Tracey because we have so many questions

The first of which is probably the most important and that is

How is she doing?

Yeah, how is she coping with the evil demon that is Candice Owens? How?

You know, I like that you use the word coping because I think that that's something that we all you know are understanding today

She's doing okay, you know, I mean, I was just with her on Saturday with the kids, you know, which is

Crazy thing. I know that they actually exist

But yeah, I mean she's

Seriously, no, she's doing okay. She's navigating life as it comes

But if you've been watching anything with Erica, you know, she's rooted in her faith

She has a lot going on obviously it was thrown into this crisis and there's no blueprint for this

So she's navigating, you know, and there's days where things are good and there's days where things are not so good, you know

But it's it's real for her. This is not a character on the screens

This is a real mother. This is a real daughter who's taking care of her mother. This is a real widow

And so I don't think people can connect the dots because they're so removed on a screen that you just don't understand

This is this is real light. This is a real life person. So really good days some days and not so good day the other day

Yeah, so I'm hoping that she doesn't like read the she doesn't read a bunch of stuff online or engage with a bunch of stuff online or

No, it's the awfulness that it okay good. No, she sees I mean of course she sees

She sees sorry she sees some of it of course, you know people tell her people send her stuff, but she's not on

Social media scrolling. Trust me. Good. Good. And I imagine the kids are way too young to even think about doing any that like anything

Oh, no, no, they see anything. No, anything. They have no idea. So no in their home. It's just beautiful pictures of the family

You know a lot of a lot of just

Normalcy, right? I think is the easiest word to use right now. It's just you know

They're just it's I mean, it's funny people owners like Saturday morning

I went to the farmers market grabbed her a bunch of stuff go deliver it to her

We unload it we talk about the day playing with the kids reading them books. It's just normal life

And it does exist despite the chaos

Yeah, well, and it's funny because I think you know

I lost my son back in October and so they're you're right that there is no exact blueprint for

Navigating loss especially one for Erica at least that was so

horribly public and so and and and one that results in her having to all of a sudden take over an entire company

So it's so different and so unfair

For people to judge her in any way for how she grieves or how she copes

Which is frankly astonishingly brave and courageous and the way that she is able to navigate all this and hold it together

Is something that we think should be admired and not criticized as as like she's grieving wrong and picked hard

Like we rage over this every single day and so that's why you know when we were talking about it this morning about talking to you

We were both like we've got to ask if she's okay because like the worst thing is thinking that she's seeing all

of this

cruelty and evil and that that makes me rage to even just think about it. Right. Yeah. Well, first of all

I'm sorry for your loss about your son. That's that's unthinkable

She like I said she sees it, you know, but she doesn't sit with it

I think that's the part that people don't understand that this doesn't consume her life and and people don't get

free rent in your head, you know

I mean, it's like somebody said after you talk to Candice

What did you do? I go made my family dinner? I'm like I'm like

Because I it doesn't consume me, you know, I mean it's it's there

You deal with it you get through it you address it if you feel like you need to

Life goes on and and it's just but but I think that's where people have a hard time with the comprehension

Of how do you deal with this, you know, and just watching all this stuff online, you know

I mean it really is a cesspool to be honest with you

I mean, it really is and and people are oh people are monetizing this and then you've got the way that our brain

Just you get addicted to this stuff and I and most of the demographic are women

I'm like go back to soap operas guys because this is this is an actual life, you know, and yeah

And I don't think people can comprehend that

Yeah, it's an actual life and it's hurtful

You know which which brings me to see it listen as a friend like I

If this say this were happening to to Miriam, I would be

Well, first of all, I am not and I'm not as nice as you are

And I'm probably not as calm as you are Tracy, you know, and I know that about myself

I have limitations and so I would just be

Just I would be rage filled. I would be lashing out against people. I would just be so angry. I'd be litigious

I would be wanting to take people down and so I guess there's a there are some of us out there that are like our

Is there are there plans to you know

Sue people are there plans to do that. I guess that's where a lot of us right here

We're like we just I know that she is such a faith-filled person and

And she so much she's so much better than me, you know

But I am but there's a part of me that's like I want revenge, you know, and so and I think just justice like just

I guess that's probably a better way to put it. Yeah allowed to defame her in this way. Yes, that's

Yes, well, but you got to remember to we live in a world where there's no personal accountability

So so so people have gotten to a place and gotten very comfortable by the way

Of getting on a platform and boldface lying about someone with zero ramifications and it's interesting because I did see

I did see the response whenever you guys can't remember which can remember which one of you guys said it where you're just like

Why didn't she sue her um and and you know, I mean honestly like and I that's why I like the word justice instead of revenge

As the cry is God's not ours, right? You're right. You're right. You're right

But however, this is real life right and so the world is going to do what the world is going to do

It just is we know who runs the world

We know where this is going and if you can stay in that that understand that logic that it's not our timing

We have to be patient, you know, these things are going to play out

But it's interesting because Candace lives in Nashville, but all of her businesses are in Delaware

So so the thing about that is is that they have a really good no-slap law

She can sit on her podcast and say allegedly. I think I believe maybe I'm not sure and you know

It's there's like an out for her, you know, and exactly exactly and so that's why I brought up the personal accountability

Because people who actually are moral have a moral compass

They get to a place of like, you know what maybe I don't understand it

Maybe there's some things that are off for me, but I don't know

And and I respect someone who can say I don't know there's plenty of things

I mean we've all been down the rabbit holes in the conspiracies and all the things and my self included and the funny thing is

Is you only know that you're in it once you're out of it

Because you all then you're like what was I thinking? You know, it's like I can see how people can connect these dots

But they really don't go anywhere and that's why I think it's it's important to have these kinds of conversations and dialogues

Is because when you sit with someone you have a real conversation and a point of reference like when Candice said to me

She's like, you know, well, I think you're wrong. You don't know your friend. You think you know you think you I mean all those things

And it was actually interesting to be on the phone with her

But I just said to her I said well, I prefer 15 years of lived experience with someone

Over your created content. I really do and and but there's always those people who are like

Well, yeah, but you know, there's people who are married to their husbands and they don't know

I said I have a hard time with that because to me there's always red flags

So to me you ignore things and when you have a lived experience with someone and our lives are so integrated at every level

Over the years and all the important, you know, things that happen in life you see how people react

And I mean, I think that's go ahead

Well, I was just you know kind of tying into that. I mean

It's just it's so ridiculous to me on its face that Candice is trying to say that she somehow knows Erica better than you do

Which is crazy, but that makes sense because she's so

Convincing to her audience that she's the only one that really is doing right by Charlie

Where there is a lot of there are a lot of rumors swirling about her relationship with Charlie and how it had deteriorated over the past couple years

What do you know about that?

Did is it true once and for all that she was not invited to their wedding because I know that's another one of the rumors like because she go

That's what I thought and so is it true that there was sort of a deterioration of their relationship? Can you confirm or deny that?

Yes, absolutely there was and and and and even because somebody else asked me that about the wedding

I'm like there was so so do Erica and Charlie got married in a private a private wedding

There was like 50 of us there, you know, and it was very private just very close family

And that's kind of where people

Seed outside outwardness and they forget there's actually a real life like I said I keep saying that but it's just truth right

And then there was a larger

Reception so when and she wasn't at either one she wasn't invited to either one by the way

So so if she would have if she would have been invited it would have been to the larger one because they included a lot of people in that

But she was not invited to that one either

And she was not invited she was not invited to the private funeral

And so I mean that and that's very telling to me is like, you know, whenever you have it when you when you have a crisis like this

You reach out to those people that are closest that you know that you know, I mean, right and so

That's very telling to me and there's a reason for that right and so when you look at that you would have known if

Charlie really really wanted Candice to be there. She would have known that and she would have done she would have honored that

She would have honored that absolutely

When I use when I use the word revenge which was probably the absolute wrong work to use

But do you think that she is trying to get some sort of revenge because she was coming out of his life a little bit

I do I really do like there's a spiteful like obviously she's spiteful and

And really terrible and evil and demonic

But I mean like do you think that there's this side of her where she's like, oh, you're not gonna do this

So you're gonna cut me out of your life will look what I'm gonna do to you

I do to some degree I like I said I don't know Candice personally

But I did but I and I did have a conversation with her however being on the phone with her

the the tone

The and just because of what I do you know human behavior

It's like you can read through and it's very textbook

You know the way that she

No self-regulation

You know was dropping f-bombs. I mean all those types of things and so and the conversation didn't warrant that

You know what I mean? There was no I mean there was no animosity. There was no nothing

I mean I basically like here. I am ask your questions

I'm transparent because I have nothing to hide and if you really want to know truth

Let's do this, you know, let's talk about this

But the difference was is that she didn't really want truth because when she got it served on a silver platter

She just regarded it and that's why to to address the revenge part

You know, I definitely think that that there's something to that

Because I think that you don't do what you're doing to try to destroy something

As much as she is and then getting joy from it is what it appears to me when she sees other people kind of running with the lead that she took

Oh, yeah, oh yeah, so and there's I mean the the the conspiracies upon conspiracies upon upon conspiracies that she is creating

That are even beyond just Charlie like when she did the whole bride of Charlie series

Which was so disgusting and actually tries to paint Erica as some sort of a child trafficker because she did charitable work with kids in Romania

Like it's gone so crazy and you're I think you're so right that once you become addicted to the storyline

It becomes irresistible. It's like true crime in real life except that it's all freaking made up

It's a crack. It's basically crack

So yeah, yeah, yeah, when Amy Joe is asking about you know potential lawsuit

And I and I hear what you're saying that like life is gonna happen the way it's gonna happen

But there was a cease and desist at least put out by TPUSA

Which is obviously not being honored what so ever so was that like to me

I've always theorized that yes, there's gonna be a time and place that TPUSA decides to

To do you know to make this right and to reclaim their name

But they're waiting for after the detailer Robinson trial. Yes, am I just am I speaking out of turn?

Am I being too optimistic about justice happening on their side or is that a possibility?

No, I think it's a possibility and I think two people are definitely thinking about the

The end and outs the pros the cons where's it gonna go the bandwidth that everyone has and I know she's got a macron

lawsuit coming, you know

Candace does which you know, I mean rightfully so they should do that

And I think there's definitely different what's the best way to say it there's like different layers to this right

So it's like you add Joe Kent and into the mix, you know, so

So could could Candace actually say oh well, I we wasn't me

I just took information from Joe Kent, you know, I mean, so that's what I'm saying. It's it's so convoluted

That it's it's and with social media and with these platforms, you know things are twisted edited, you know, clipped

All those things and that's why it's very difficult

But that was something that that popped into my mind about that too about the lawsuits is not to mention

The you know like like the different locations and then the different coverage of those locations

But then also you get someone like Joe Kent so you can basically pass the buck to him

You know that I was getting my information from him. I didn't know right and so and are those a way of getting out of it

You know, I don't know, you know, but I definitely do know that people are talking about it

They are asking questions, you know

They want to understand what makes sense what doesn't make sense and then yes, you have the trial

And even just even just that alone with what's coming out about that

Even if you saw yesterday the twisting of all these titles and these clickbaits

You know, so so that's where I think that we have to remember that

You know, you have to be logical. We can't sit in the chaos

You know, and the chaos will consume you as we see is happening

You know, so I always go back to and even just talking to Erica and talking to other people like what do you know for sure?

You know, what can you actually

Present in a way that it is legal, right? I mean otherwise it's and and it's kind of like the whole thing like with the Drusky thing right

You're like going okay, so that's a comedian do what you want to do

But we all know what you were doing right? Yeah, is that a league is is that a legal thing? No, it's just a morally corrupt thing

You know, so so where does that play into all these things too, you know, but I definitely believe in justice

Absolutely, there's a lot of morally bankrupt people out there capitalizing on this right now. Oh, absolutely

Do you do you think that Tyler Robinson's gonna get a fair trial just because of all these morally bankrupt people like what do you think?

That's an interesting question. We've talked about that before because of what's happening, you know, and I I mean you you have to ask yourself too

Was that part of the whole conversation right to create this confusion and all this chaos in the world to where

How do you get a fair trial for this point? Yeah, you know, I mean and I think that's that's kind of what everybody's like they're playing over in their mind

Of like we've never been here before I've I've personally have never seen something like this in my lifetime

We know I really I haven't seen and and just the attacks on someone

You know, yeah, we haven't seen the anything. I have never seen the demonization of a of a widow

No ever like this in my lifetime ever no and then I mean and at first it like it started out being okay

Well, she's implicating TP USA as being you know being involved in this cover up or whatever

But but that has totally morphed into making Erica

Like she's basically implying that Erica had something to do with Charlie's death, which is so crazy

And so now she's even talking about well, she doesn't really have this alibi that she says she was with her mom on September 10

She was I know you yeah, I was gonna say I know that you talked about that a little bit with Graham. Yeah, and

But but tell us more because she's insisting that like her mom's not really sick that this is all

You know, this is all for show like it's so gross. It is what she is saying

I know but give us the real you know the definitive answer on where she was

Does she have proof of her alibi? Yes, she does since yeah, yeah

So she was with her mom because because that was what ignited Candace to get in touch with me

Because supposedly there's a text message out there that I sent to someone implicating me as well

And that I had prior knowledge. I'm like are you are you insane? Yes, you are

But we'll we'll let that go

So it was basically a text message that had happened in the summer and it was just it was just a

Conversation about my daughter starting to travel with them

Which is a mother? I know the volatile situation working with people

I know the mental instability of people and I don't want my daughter to be a part of that and that was literally what it was

So whenever this happened on the 10th

It brought up that feeling of like oh my goodness

And so again, I have she's never produced the text message

But I don't deny it it probably does exist talking to friends and family and in an emotional place

I wouldn't doubt it of course

And so I was with clients that day and Erica was with her mother

Her mother's treatment center is in in Scottsdale close to where I work

I was not with her

I I'm in this we're in this little vicinity to where the Scottsdale airport is

My office the clinic and then it's so we're kind of you know in proximity and so Erica and she shared the entire thing with me

It was I mean she was with her mother. I have time stamp photos. We all do I I presented a text message from multiple people

Who knew that she was there and knew of the clinic and then also just time stamps of with her mother

And it was really grotesque because Candice like yeah, I've seen the photo

But it looks like she's getting an IV I go are you have you seen the condition of her?

Yeah, and so Erica came out of the clinic when she got the call and literally did hit her knees was like a primal stream

And then one of the employees came out and said

Thought it was about her mother like she's getting more and more bad news about her mother's condition

It wasn't this person had no clue that Erica had just gotten a call like she got

And so then Erica basically said you have no idea what's just happened in my life and then took off

You know, and so it's okay, but no go ahead

Well, I was gonna ask because now there's conversation about like when people arrived, you know at the airport

And did she hug Andrew Colvette and was it at this specific time?

I the

The length that she's going to now to just create

Yeah, drama story. Yeah drama and just false narratives and and you know

She's implying now that maybe Andrew and Erica were having enough like it's gotten so out of country

So is there is there any I just wonder because I know that if it were me and again, Erica is a way better person

But like if it were me and I knew that all of these attacks were happening and all these stories were being made up

My instinct would be to just prove her wrong

Instantaneously like to just be like here here is the real deal

And I know that she obviously as a CEO she's got a huge responsibility and that she I'm sure has been responsible for

The

pace at which both Blake Neff and Andrew Colvette respond or don't respond to some of these ridiculous stories

Probably because you know, they don't want to give it a whole lot of oxygen

But then they they do reach these times where they've reached their limit and they do respond

Has beyond the four-hour conversation that she had with Candice and Tennessee back in December?

Has she ever felt compelled to just be like here?

Here's my text message on this day that proves this just shut up already

Or is she just like I'm not even paying attention. I'm just how do I think I think she's I think she's got into the point

Because I asked drag I asked her how did that conversation go? You know done in Nashville and she goes

I thought it went well

You know, I didn't think there was anything crazy about it

And then I also asked Candice why didn't you ask Erica all these questions that you're asking me when you had her with you right in front of you

And she's like well, we yeah, we just what which is which just that alone and then I'll answer your question

Just that alone the graciousness of going to you know to to have this face to face

Totally, you know, I mean that that's the part that people have a hard time because we insert ourselves and everyone else's story

I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't say this. I wouldn't be this way

Like when you say does she have the timing or the pace of all these things, right?

I honestly don't know the inner workings of turning point

But as far as conversations of like do you want to just address this?

Yeah, we talk about it and she's like what's the point?

You know, I mean and Charlie's told her over the years of them being married if you answer every lie and every defamation

You will have no time in your day to actually do what you need to do

And I think that that's I think that that's a very true statement because it's we're kind of at a place to where

If you don't say anything you're complicit if you do say something you're trying to hide something

The manipulation is is so to me like I said I've never seen it before

You know, and it's like even like on the phone with air or with

Candice I'm like I can tell you about where they live

You know the fact that Charlie could easily have woken up their daughter

You know all these things right and she's like no no I go but this is my point

You're you're addressing a lifestyle that's behind closed doors that you know nothing about right and the psychotic part about that

Was that she did say she knew where she lived and she was right in the location and she goes oh, I know

I'm downloading floor plans

I'm like who does that

Oh my god, who does that?

That's who she said she has said on her show that she has people that live in the same building that are sources for her

Oh, which totally freaks me out just from a safety standpoint

But obviously there's leakers at TPSA too does Erica

Has there been progress in rooting those people out does she know who's in her building that might be

You know talking about her every move to Candice that freaks me out. Oh, yeah, it doesn't just freak me out

It would make me so angry, you know

Yeah, I mean there's such a betrayal of her there's there's a betrayal

There's a safety issue. There's all those kinds of things, you know

I saw post the other day about some woman that said she saw Erica and the kids

You know playing or whatever, but Erica was working out instead of being with her kids

I'm like then you didn't stay the whole day

It's like

It's but that's my and that's my point to go back and address that you know, I mean

How much time do you spend on this you know when you really are trying to take care of your family

Continue what you believe that you has been put on your heart to continue

You know and and that's that's a that's a decision for Erica

You know, there are seasons in life to where she may not be doing this all the time

She may hand things off. There's not I mean there's you we don't like I said there's no blueprint right right now

You were thrust into this situation. She knows she has Charlie in her ear saying you can do this

I know you can take this over

I you know all those kinds of things and you don't want to let him down

You know, I mean you don't want to have that thought that wow this was on my watch, you know

I mean and so the and they're like I said and I've told her that too

I said yeah, but there's there's a lot here that Charlie didn't anticipate no one did I for one didn't then

I for one didn't anticipate anything like this especially the way it started out with the revival

That we saw in our country after Charlie after Charlie's assassination. It was it was yes

So incredible even like it was my a lot of my clients were like that they were like oh my gosh tea

I want to get to a Bible. I want to be better. I'm seeing all these things and I'm like

This is what we need to focus on but again the enemy can't have that light. So that's why he brought Candison

You know she she gets to do it

We agree with you whole hearted it. We saw that too. I mean, I have a daughter high school aged daughter

She saw it in her school. She seen it with her

She seen it with her friends with it. It's just our community in general and then yes

It's I feel like that's been squelched a little bit. I mean not entirely, but it has been it's been overshadowed by this

Right, right and and I think

And so I think the thing with TPU essay to go back to your question is is that is there going to be a time in a place

You know, I would think so. I don't know for sure. I've not spoken to to anyone down there. That's just not my wheelhouse

Um, but I do think that knowing the organization and knowing their mission and trying to stay on mission

You know and being truth seekers and that I do but there also comes a point in time to where it's just it's exhausting

You know, I mean you I talked to people that I never in a million years would have thought

That they think about this situation that they and it's just like but I but it my father's not to convince you

My job is to give information and truth and to share experiences and then you get to decide on your own time

You know, I mean, I don't need to convince anyone of anything. There is a truth that stands here

And and be and and I do realize that being able to be with Erica and and the kids and and her mother

And that I do realize that my perspective is very very different

But my perspective isn't off of a screen. It's real life. Right. Yes. And so and it's an important

Yeah, you're super super close to her and that's obviously a perspective that trumps many many others

um

One of the things that has been central to

The storytelling that Candace has been doing is this idea that somehow it was Charlie's

relationship or um belief system about Israel that is like central to all of this and so and you know

Megan Kelly was another person that came out and said it's true

Charlie was like really really questioning Israel because he was

You know donors were upset with him for platforming Tucker whatever so that seems to be like a central theme

And that may be you know

Totally outside of your wheelhouse

But what what has what do you know about that if anything about and especially too when it relates to the accusations that Charlie was in the middle of becoming Catholic

Which I find very hard to believe

What do you think about that whole interplay especially because now people are criticizing TPUSA for continuing to platform the very people who are

You know promulgating that anti-Israel sentiment

Yeah as far as like dare stance in that I probably don't know any more than you guys do on that other than what I've heard what I've seen

What I've seen of Charlie's videos. I've gone back and just watched a lot of those as well to just kind of get that perspective

So I don't know like the details on that and I'm happy to say I don't know if I don't know something

I don't want to speculate I don't want to you know put words in anyone else's mouth. So I'm not sure on that

I have heard all the things as well

You know the same exact thing but I do know that Charlie was not becoming Catholic

I mean I do and and and the thing that's so interesting about that is Candace brought that up as well

She's like I know he's going to class is like oh no he's not

I mean he didn't go to classes

Yeah, and the thing about this is it's like where is and she kept saying it's effing weird

It's effing weird. I'm like weird is not criminal first of all

And the fact that if you're seeking your faith and you're seeking to get deeper into your relationship with Christ

Especially if you're on a platform like Charlie

You would go speak to a lot of different theological people

You know, I mean I do that as well. I mean my my my son and my son long my daughter are Byzantine Catholic

My husband was Catholic

I was raised Presbyteria and I am a sponge when it comes to all things Christ

And so I want to know I will sit with the priest I will sit with the pastor

I will sit with people because I want to know but it doesn't mean that I am I'm taking on that identity

And I think that I think that that's and then the church that she's talking about I've gone there

I sit there in reverence of the beautiful tradition

But it doesn't mean that I am taking that on in my life

And I think that's where people

That again they put themselves in that story

You know and and they kind of get to a place of like well this must be what's happening

And there's there's a really cool word called apapenia

And it is the brain that fills in the gaps that leads into these things that it's there's pattern recognition

And that's what I think so much of its spiritual warfare too. It's like these patterns

You know there's a pat I mean people go well look what happened during Covid look what happened all the lies

I'm like yeah you're right

That's why you have to have a specific level of discernment

And it's not the discernment that people are throwing around deluded

It's the spiritual discernment of vetting it against the Bible

vetting against the word and scripture it's like if women actually and men did that

We wouldn't have this problem because it's very clear

You know and so I think when you drag someone like Charlie into these accusations of you know what he was doing

Faith-based you really don't

You know, I mean you you really don't and that's where I think that we get into trouble

And then you get everyone jumping on the bandwagon and you know I just

To be very honest with you with you ladies. I I don't sit in that

Because if you sit in the world you look like the world and it gets all over you

I mean I I perceive I I prefer to have great conversations

You know sit down and I'm happy saying I don't know if I don't know

You know and then if it's something that I believe that isn't for me

I'm happy to step away from it. I don't need to take it with me

You know and and but these are things that people don't have the ability to do and and we're it's the generation too

It's cultural you know

I mean we don't have strong-minded women we don't have strong young kids

We don't have the grit and the resiliency of I don't know about this

But it's it's it's off it's absolutely off right the world is off

But not everything is a conspiracy because if it was then nothing would be a conspiracy right right exactly. I mean ultimately

You're right. You're absolutely right. I was I was gonna ask like how

How do you see this ending? You know, how do you see all of this turning out and ending and but I mean at the end

The day it's like she's she's gonna be fine. She's gonna be great and the kids she she will and she's you know

She'll because she is on the right side of things. She's on the she's

It's for lack of a better phrase because obviously I'm not very good at phrasing today is um

She's she's the good guy in all this, you know, like she's the one that's gonna she's fine

She's fine. She's doing all the right things and and she's navigating the best that she knows how to navigate and well

That's why I said that's why I said you can tell the better against the Bible right you can tell them by their fruits

You know, I mean, I mean if you did a you guys never have time you should do a compare and contrast you you've got someone that has a

A ministry every day. You know with with the gospel through Bible 365

It's it was hers long before Charlie long before she was married

You've got her clothing brand who was all based in sustainability and you know local

I actually helped her build that with my my my way back in the day when I was doing fashion

And so, you know, I know the integrity behind it

I mean the messaging the fabric all the thing very very mindful doing that right, you know

She has her children she's taking care of her mother on a daily basis by the way and and I watch the deterioration of Lori

And it's very sad and I mean it's it's gut wrenching

I was just with her a couple weeks ago sitting next to her full-time caregivers in a wheelchair

I mean this this this is vile to say this is this is not real and so

When you look at the fruits of that and then you look at someone who sits in her big mansion definitely in Nashville

I've seen it and you know is now monetizing all this information

She's the only person that can this is the only person that I know they can take something that would be a 60 second explanation

And make a two-hour podcast out of it and monetize it right

She's she's the at she's the only one at the yeah at the detriment of somebody else like right right

So it's so cruel. It's just just unbelievably cruel. It is it cruel is is like the best word you and also just disgusting like I don't yeah

It's just gross

So and and that's why to just to touch upon when you say like Eric is gonna be okay, you know, I mean

She will be okay. I mean life

Yeah, life changed it definitely changed. It will not it will not look like she thinks it was going to look

You know, I mean you have this beautiful thing that you think you're gonna have this incredible life with your love of your life and your children

You know, and that didn't happen. It was hijacked, you know by this situation

So now you have and that's why I said the strength of someone

That's where you know when how strong someone is in their faith when they deal with the crisis

And then they're deal with the crisis that's in the public and then they deal with being attacked

And that's why I said the layers of this, you know, but yeah, she will she will be okay

And I and I you know, I think you've touched on it a couple times just in you know talking to you today Tracy

But I think she is such a woman of strong faith that people a lot of people don't get that a lot of people don't understand it

They're uncomfortable with it

So when they see her

Being able to deal with such a tragedy like this and do it in a way that is graceful

And just in the way that she did I mean, I just think some people don't get it because they would not be able to handle it like her

And that's why I said when when we insert ourselves into everyone else's story

I wouldn't do this. Why is she doing that? I wouldn't handle it this way

Well, when I went through this loss. This is how I dealt with it

So and that's and that's once we get in trouble with that rather than just sitting back

And being prayerful about someone and witnessing that the grace and and yeah

There's going to be stumbles and falls and missteps and things like that

But that's why there's grace in this is the fact that nobody knows how to deal with this

Isn't it we've never she's never been through something like this. I never have witnessed this before

And so I just think I just think that when you said

People don't know how to deal with a strong faith filled woman that's rooted in her face

And that understands that you know Charlie is with Christ and she will see him again

And even talking to their to their children, you know their daughter

You know she talks about you know daddies in heaven and she sees the photo of the family everywhere

Things are still there

You know and so it's it's that level. I think that we're so we're so removed

And we're so disconnected from that that we just cannot comprehend it and to be honest with you. It's not our job

Yeah, it's just not our job to understand it

She she did Erica did um she fulfilled a lot of the appearances that Charlie had booked for his book tour and all those things

Which was another again just an awe that she's able to do that

um

Do she have plans to talk publicly again to do interviews again about this about anything about TPSA

I know she does speaking engagement and she does that you know with TPSA and she's on the road doing that kind of thing

But would she be I mean will she be interested at some point in telling sort of her side of this story because

Just putting in a plug for ourselves. We would love to talk to her right and please tell her that this would be a very safe space

Um, but I'm just curious if she plans to to speak out about this again

I think she will when the timing is right like I said, you know

I mean and to address your your question about the dates and everything

Yeah, she that's what she said she will honor everything that was in place in memory of Charlie

People think that she wants the stage

She doesn't want the stage and I know that's a hard thing to comprehend when she's out there

But I can tell you that is not what she wants

That's why she stepped away from that one pageant. She was like, I don't want any part of this

This is just not me. I'm not willing to do this she and that's why you never really saw Erica that much

When she was married to Charlie in turning point she was dealing with proclaim and Bible 365 and her children and and that was not her

And so she honored that because she knew she could and she had the bandwidth to do it

But she actually said to me when after all this happened it was probably maybe two weeks

After this happened she said, you know T. I'm not going to be able to breathe until January

And I and this was this was like it and I go you know what I go I can see that

And I said we'll use your family and your friends build your village

Let us be there to help you and support you in whatever you need and and we all meant that you know

Because we knew she was going to take care of everything she can take care of and then who knows you know

The guidance the advice everybody coming at her everyone wants something from her everyone says things to her

And so she has to stay the course of what she perceives that Charlie would have wanted

And so I think that that's a big that's a big mantle to carry you know and so

So that's why I think she said that you know not full January or until the first of the year

You know and she was able to spend some time because then she had to deal with all the all the events that were in

But I do know she has the event coming up in Dallas

Which is women's leadership summit, you know, that's that's an annual thing as well

And then I don't I mean the big thing for me is is is that if she were to speak on this

You know and come out on that it's like

Can you you have to be able to do that in such a such a safe place

That that it's not just completely annihilated I watch people take my videos

They just clip them and change the tone and do all the things and I'm like you guys it's life. Oh my god

You know, I mean and it's saying it's it's truly that's that's like my favorite word lately

Is is insanity, you know, yeah, it is it does so much insanity out there you guys are really

Um lucky to have each other because we know what thank you, you know, yeah have great friends and so it's yeah

That's all god, right is like that's it totally is and and we we joked about that because um like I met her

15 years ago at a local

A local TV station I was there with the handbag line and she was there with just um right after miss Arizona

And we just like connected and just started helping each other out and as entrepreneurs

You're like I got this contact. Let me share this with you, right?

And you just want to see each other succeed and as women. I know that's not a normal thing

um

No, it's not and it was interesting because she goes t she goes god new

That this is where I was going to need someone and friends to and then and then it's a very small circle

You know, it's a very small circle, but it's a very very very powerful circle because people are very protective

Yes, and they're necessary to be that way

Yeah, I'm so glad. I'm so glad she has you and that circle

Um, that makes I mean it makes all of this easier to take somehow because it's just

It's awful. I mean the whole thing is just unspeakably awful and and please tell her how much we're rooting for her

I will and how I'm praying for her

Yes, because this is no one should go through I mean she's already been through enough and so every single day that there's a new

You know, Candice episode and ripping her apart. It just it just it just enrages us and so please know that there are people that are in her corner

Um, and not everybody's insane out here. No, no, right

No, but again, but again like I said the world's gonna do what the world's gonna do, right? So

We we can respond differently and how we you know do things and when I get truth

I stop I vet it and then I move past it some people don't want to believe the truth because then it all stops

Everything stops and Candice is one of those people

I mean even the Romanian Angels thing when you talked about the child trafficking and all this stuff

I mean I have photos with gifts that my name on it sitting in the orphanage

It's like it's like I know what this was about, you know, and so but then that doesn't feed the story

It doesn't fuel anything and I think that's money

No, no, and you can't monetize the truth to be honest with you. You really can't you know, I mean it stand

Yeah

Well, we want to give you an opportunity to tell our audience more about what you do and and help people

That you might be able to help understand what it is that you do and how they can find you online and elsewhere

Oh, well, I am a holistic transformational life coach been doing it for over 30 years um

And an entrepreneur I have five different fashion lines owned a gym one gym by the way Candice said multiple but one

And just married have two beautiful daughters a grandmother of two and one on the way we just found out two days ago

And then as far as I know it's so fun

And that's one of the things that I love is the generational. It's why I coach multi-generations

Throughout whether it's aging well whether it's older women on a second act whether it's new parents preparing their life

And what that means to take that on nutrition well-being entrepreneurship is my favorite one especially when it comes to women

And just really just navigating life and equipping people to be strong

Don't numb yourself out of life equip yourself for it

And that's ultimately what I what I'm blessed to do like I said over 30 years

And it's just a privilege to work with people because you get to be a tiny little puzzle piece

In where God's gonna have for them

And so I love what I get to do in here as a coach and

My website. I have a website with full information. We have developed has been about

How many years now of we're fine living events?

It's a multi-generational women's event and we bring in regenerative farmers and biological Dennis and natural paths and

A lot of truth in that room and pulling back to veil and equipping women with confidence

Not outsourcing things through to white coats. It's really fully and because I believe you're fully informed

You can make an informed decision

And so it's every level of life

And so it's really just I'm walking alongside of multi-generations of women as they navigate

You know, what's happening in the world today and just trying to bring them back to a moral compass

Definitely walk along with them in faith and if I can be of service

If I can't I've got someone that can if they're if you know if it's over me

And so it's just being very humble you know to be able to to work with people because I do believe that when you have strong women

They raise strong families and this changes what we're dealing with right now and you don't see

The insanity out in the world, you know, and so and I'm probably older than you guys

But I go back to a generation to where you know, we didn't have social media

You know and the impact of it and so it was real life

You know, it was real life and I prefer that a thousand percent

Yeah, so what is the website refinement? It's tracyl martin dot com

Okay, yeah, and yeah, and every it's e y

Yeah, and everything's on there the websites. I have multiple curriculums on there

We have a great genius plan on there and then my Instagram is officially tracy martin

Um and very very much a lot of intention is put in that account to address what's happening

But through a logical lens

You know and kind of breaking things down of like I think I did a post on the Jezebel spirit versus the proverbs 31 woman

And and breaking it down and you can you can decide, you know, which one it is

I just want you to have information

You know and and and that ultimately to me

A woman fully informed as a game changer, you know, especially for our families

And that that matters whether it's our nutrition

Relationships medical all the things that um that we are the ethos of the home

And so we need some strong women and I think we have a great example of one in Erica

Yes, absolutely. Yeah

Thank you so much. Yeah, talking to us. We really thank you. Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity