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Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the right podcast. We have been so looking forward to this one today
We have with us Tracey Martin who is a multi-generational holistic life coach host of the podcast forged
She's a wife mom grandma and she also happens to be one of Erica Kirk's best friends
You might have seen her on a recent podcast with Graham Allen and it was that appearance that made us want to talk to you
Tracey because we have so many questions
The first of which is probably the most important and that is
How is she doing?
Yeah, how is she coping with the evil demon that is Candice Owens? How?
You know, I like that you use the word coping because I think that that's something that we all you know are understanding today
She's doing okay, you know, I mean, I was just with her on Saturday with the kids, you know, which is
Crazy thing. I know that they actually exist
But yeah, I mean she's
Seriously, no, she's doing okay. She's navigating life as it comes
But if you've been watching anything with Erica, you know, she's rooted in her faith
She has a lot going on obviously it was thrown into this crisis and there's no blueprint for this
So she's navigating, you know, and there's days where things are good and there's days where things are not so good, you know
But it's it's real for her. This is not a character on the screens
This is a real mother. This is a real daughter who's taking care of her mother. This is a real widow
And so I don't think people can connect the dots because they're so removed on a screen that you just don't understand
This is this is real light. This is a real life person. So really good days some days and not so good day the other day
Yeah, so I'm hoping that she doesn't like read the she doesn't read a bunch of stuff online or engage with a bunch of stuff online or
No, it's the awfulness that it okay good. No, she sees I mean of course she sees
She sees sorry she sees some of it of course, you know people tell her people send her stuff, but she's not on
Social media scrolling. Trust me. Good. Good. And I imagine the kids are way too young to even think about doing any that like anything
Oh, no, no, they see anything. No, anything. They have no idea. So no in their home. It's just beautiful pictures of the family
You know a lot of a lot of just
Normalcy, right? I think is the easiest word to use right now. It's just you know
They're just it's I mean, it's funny people owners like Saturday morning
I went to the farmers market grabbed her a bunch of stuff go deliver it to her
We unload it we talk about the day playing with the kids reading them books. It's just normal life
And it does exist despite the chaos
Yeah, well, and it's funny because I think you know
I lost my son back in October and so they're you're right that there is no exact blueprint for
Navigating loss especially one for Erica at least that was so
horribly public and so and and and one that results in her having to all of a sudden take over an entire company
So it's so different and so unfair
For people to judge her in any way for how she grieves or how she copes
Which is frankly astonishingly brave and courageous and the way that she is able to navigate all this and hold it together
Is something that we think should be admired and not criticized as as like she's grieving wrong and picked hard
Like we rage over this every single day and so that's why you know when we were talking about it this morning about talking to you
We were both like we've got to ask if she's okay because like the worst thing is thinking that she's seeing all
of this
cruelty and evil and that that makes me rage to even just think about it. Right. Yeah. Well, first of all
I'm sorry for your loss about your son. That's that's unthinkable
She like I said she sees it, you know, but she doesn't sit with it
I think that's the part that people don't understand that this doesn't consume her life and and people don't get
free rent in your head, you know
I mean, it's like somebody said after you talk to Candice
What did you do? I go made my family dinner? I'm like I'm like
Because I it doesn't consume me, you know, I mean it's it's there
You deal with it you get through it you address it if you feel like you need to
Life goes on and and it's just but but I think that's where people have a hard time with the comprehension
Of how do you deal with this, you know, and just watching all this stuff online, you know
I mean it really is a cesspool to be honest with you
I mean, it really is and and people are oh people are monetizing this and then you've got the way that our brain
Just you get addicted to this stuff and I and most of the demographic are women
I'm like go back to soap operas guys because this is this is an actual life, you know, and yeah
And I don't think people can comprehend that
Yeah, it's an actual life and it's hurtful
You know which which brings me to see it listen as a friend like I
If this say this were happening to to Miriam, I would be
Well, first of all, I am not and I'm not as nice as you are
And I'm probably not as calm as you are Tracy, you know, and I know that about myself
I have limitations and so I would just be
Just I would be rage filled. I would be lashing out against people. I would just be so angry. I'd be litigious
I would be wanting to take people down and so I guess there's a there are some of us out there that are like our
Is there are there plans to you know
Sue people are there plans to do that. I guess that's where a lot of us right here
We're like we just I know that she is such a faith-filled person and
And she so much she's so much better than me, you know
But I am but there's a part of me that's like I want revenge, you know, and so and I think just justice like just
I guess that's probably a better way to put it. Yeah allowed to defame her in this way. Yes, that's
Yes, well, but you got to remember to we live in a world where there's no personal accountability
So so so people have gotten to a place and gotten very comfortable by the way
Of getting on a platform and boldface lying about someone with zero ramifications and it's interesting because I did see
I did see the response whenever you guys can't remember which can remember which one of you guys said it where you're just like
Why didn't she sue her um and and you know, I mean honestly like and I that's why I like the word justice instead of revenge
As the cry is God's not ours, right? You're right. You're right. You're right
But however, this is real life right and so the world is going to do what the world is going to do
It just is we know who runs the world
We know where this is going and if you can stay in that that understand that logic that it's not our timing
We have to be patient, you know, these things are going to play out
But it's interesting because Candace lives in Nashville, but all of her businesses are in Delaware
So so the thing about that is is that they have a really good no-slap law
She can sit on her podcast and say allegedly. I think I believe maybe I'm not sure and you know
It's there's like an out for her, you know, and exactly exactly and so that's why I brought up the personal accountability
Because people who actually are moral have a moral compass
They get to a place of like, you know what maybe I don't understand it
Maybe there's some things that are off for me, but I don't know
And and I respect someone who can say I don't know there's plenty of things
I mean we've all been down the rabbit holes in the conspiracies and all the things and my self included and the funny thing is
Is you only know that you're in it once you're out of it
Because you all then you're like what was I thinking? You know, it's like I can see how people can connect these dots
But they really don't go anywhere and that's why I think it's it's important to have these kinds of conversations and dialogues
Is because when you sit with someone you have a real conversation and a point of reference like when Candice said to me
She's like, you know, well, I think you're wrong. You don't know your friend. You think you know you think you I mean all those things
And it was actually interesting to be on the phone with her
But I just said to her I said well, I prefer 15 years of lived experience with someone
Over your created content. I really do and and but there's always those people who are like
Well, yeah, but you know, there's people who are married to their husbands and they don't know
I said I have a hard time with that because to me there's always red flags
So to me you ignore things and when you have a lived experience with someone and our lives are so integrated at every level
Over the years and all the important, you know, things that happen in life you see how people react
And I mean, I think that's go ahead
Well, I was just you know kind of tying into that. I mean
It's just it's so ridiculous to me on its face that Candice is trying to say that she somehow knows Erica better than you do
Which is crazy, but that makes sense because she's so
Convincing to her audience that she's the only one that really is doing right by Charlie
Where there is a lot of there are a lot of rumors swirling about her relationship with Charlie and how it had deteriorated over the past couple years
What do you know about that?
Did is it true once and for all that she was not invited to their wedding because I know that's another one of the rumors like because she go
That's what I thought and so is it true that there was sort of a deterioration of their relationship? Can you confirm or deny that?
Yes, absolutely there was and and and and even because somebody else asked me that about the wedding
I'm like there was so so do Erica and Charlie got married in a private a private wedding
There was like 50 of us there, you know, and it was very private just very close family
And that's kind of where people
Seed outside outwardness and they forget there's actually a real life like I said I keep saying that but it's just truth right
And then there was a larger
Reception so when and she wasn't at either one she wasn't invited to either one by the way
So so if she would have if she would have been invited it would have been to the larger one because they included a lot of people in that
But she was not invited to that one either
And she was not invited she was not invited to the private funeral
And so I mean that and that's very telling to me is like, you know, whenever you have it when you when you have a crisis like this
You reach out to those people that are closest that you know that you know, I mean, right and so
That's very telling to me and there's a reason for that right and so when you look at that you would have known if
Charlie really really wanted Candice to be there. She would have known that and she would have done she would have honored that
She would have honored that absolutely
When I use when I use the word revenge which was probably the absolute wrong work to use
But do you think that she is trying to get some sort of revenge because she was coming out of his life a little bit
I do I really do like there's a spiteful like obviously she's spiteful and
And really terrible and evil and demonic
But I mean like do you think that there's this side of her where she's like, oh, you're not gonna do this
So you're gonna cut me out of your life will look what I'm gonna do to you
I do to some degree I like I said I don't know Candice personally
But I did but I and I did have a conversation with her however being on the phone with her
the the tone
The and just because of what I do you know human behavior
It's like you can read through and it's very textbook
You know the way that she
No self-regulation
You know was dropping f-bombs. I mean all those types of things and so and the conversation didn't warrant that
You know what I mean? There was no I mean there was no animosity. There was no nothing
I mean I basically like here. I am ask your questions
I'm transparent because I have nothing to hide and if you really want to know truth
Let's do this, you know, let's talk about this
But the difference was is that she didn't really want truth because when she got it served on a silver platter
She just regarded it and that's why to to address the revenge part
You know, I definitely think that that there's something to that
Because I think that you don't do what you're doing to try to destroy something
As much as she is and then getting joy from it is what it appears to me when she sees other people kind of running with the lead that she took
Oh, yeah, oh yeah, so and there's I mean the the the conspiracies upon conspiracies upon upon conspiracies that she is creating
That are even beyond just Charlie like when she did the whole bride of Charlie series
Which was so disgusting and actually tries to paint Erica as some sort of a child trafficker because she did charitable work with kids in Romania
Like it's gone so crazy and you're I think you're so right that once you become addicted to the storyline
It becomes irresistible. It's like true crime in real life except that it's all freaking made up
It's a crack. It's basically crack
So yeah, yeah, yeah, when Amy Joe is asking about you know potential lawsuit
And I and I hear what you're saying that like life is gonna happen the way it's gonna happen
But there was a cease and desist at least put out by TPUSA
Which is obviously not being honored what so ever so was that like to me
I've always theorized that yes, there's gonna be a time and place that TPUSA decides to
To do you know to make this right and to reclaim their name
But they're waiting for after the detailer Robinson trial. Yes, am I just am I speaking out of turn?
Am I being too optimistic about justice happening on their side or is that a possibility?
No, I think it's a possibility and I think two people are definitely thinking about the
The end and outs the pros the cons where's it gonna go the bandwidth that everyone has and I know she's got a macron
lawsuit coming, you know
Candace does which you know, I mean rightfully so they should do that
And I think there's definitely different what's the best way to say it there's like different layers to this right
So it's like you add Joe Kent and into the mix, you know, so
So could could Candace actually say oh well, I we wasn't me
I just took information from Joe Kent, you know, I mean, so that's what I'm saying. It's it's so convoluted
That it's it's and with social media and with these platforms, you know things are twisted edited, you know, clipped
All those things and that's why it's very difficult
But that was something that that popped into my mind about that too about the lawsuits is not to mention
The you know like like the different locations and then the different coverage of those locations
But then also you get someone like Joe Kent so you can basically pass the buck to him
You know that I was getting my information from him. I didn't know right and so and are those a way of getting out of it
You know, I don't know, you know, but I definitely do know that people are talking about it
They are asking questions, you know
They want to understand what makes sense what doesn't make sense and then yes, you have the trial
And even just even just that alone with what's coming out about that
Even if you saw yesterday the twisting of all these titles and these clickbaits
You know, so so that's where I think that we have to remember that
You know, you have to be logical. We can't sit in the chaos
You know, and the chaos will consume you as we see is happening
You know, so I always go back to and even just talking to Erica and talking to other people like what do you know for sure?
You know, what can you actually
Present in a way that it is legal, right? I mean otherwise it's and and it's kind of like the whole thing like with the Drusky thing right
You're like going okay, so that's a comedian do what you want to do
But we all know what you were doing right? Yeah, is that a league is is that a legal thing? No, it's just a morally corrupt thing
You know, so so where does that play into all these things too, you know, but I definitely believe in justice
Absolutely, there's a lot of morally bankrupt people out there capitalizing on this right now. Oh, absolutely
Do you do you think that Tyler Robinson's gonna get a fair trial just because of all these morally bankrupt people like what do you think?
That's an interesting question. We've talked about that before because of what's happening, you know, and I I mean you you have to ask yourself too
Was that part of the whole conversation right to create this confusion and all this chaos in the world to where
How do you get a fair trial for this point? Yeah, you know, I mean and I think that's that's kind of what everybody's like they're playing over in their mind
Of like we've never been here before I've I've personally have never seen something like this in my lifetime
We know I really I haven't seen and and just the attacks on someone
You know, yeah, we haven't seen the anything. I have never seen the demonization of a of a widow
No ever like this in my lifetime ever no and then I mean and at first it like it started out being okay
Well, she's implicating TP USA as being you know being involved in this cover up or whatever
But but that has totally morphed into making Erica
Like she's basically implying that Erica had something to do with Charlie's death, which is so crazy
And so now she's even talking about well, she doesn't really have this alibi that she says she was with her mom on September 10
She was I know you yeah, I was gonna say I know that you talked about that a little bit with Graham. Yeah, and
But but tell us more because she's insisting that like her mom's not really sick that this is all
You know, this is all for show like it's so gross. It is what she is saying
I know but give us the real you know the definitive answer on where she was
Does she have proof of her alibi? Yes, she does since yeah, yeah
So she was with her mom because because that was what ignited Candace to get in touch with me
Because supposedly there's a text message out there that I sent to someone implicating me as well
And that I had prior knowledge. I'm like are you are you insane? Yes, you are
But we'll we'll let that go
So it was basically a text message that had happened in the summer and it was just it was just a
Conversation about my daughter starting to travel with them
Which is a mother? I know the volatile situation working with people
I know the mental instability of people and I don't want my daughter to be a part of that and that was literally what it was
So whenever this happened on the 10th
It brought up that feeling of like oh my goodness
And so again, I have she's never produced the text message
But I don't deny it it probably does exist talking to friends and family and in an emotional place
I wouldn't doubt it of course
And so I was with clients that day and Erica was with her mother
Her mother's treatment center is in in Scottsdale close to where I work
I was not with her
I I'm in this we're in this little vicinity to where the Scottsdale airport is
My office the clinic and then it's so we're kind of you know in proximity and so Erica and she shared the entire thing with me
It was I mean she was with her mother. I have time stamp photos. We all do I I presented a text message from multiple people
Who knew that she was there and knew of the clinic and then also just time stamps of with her mother
And it was really grotesque because Candice like yeah, I've seen the photo
But it looks like she's getting an IV I go are you have you seen the condition of her?
Yeah, and so Erica came out of the clinic when she got the call and literally did hit her knees was like a primal stream
And then one of the employees came out and said
Thought it was about her mother like she's getting more and more bad news about her mother's condition
It wasn't this person had no clue that Erica had just gotten a call like she got
And so then Erica basically said you have no idea what's just happened in my life and then took off
You know, and so it's okay, but no go ahead
Well, I was gonna ask because now there's conversation about like when people arrived, you know at the airport
And did she hug Andrew Colvette and was it at this specific time?
I the
The length that she's going to now to just create
Yeah, drama story. Yeah drama and just false narratives and and you know
She's implying now that maybe Andrew and Erica were having enough like it's gotten so out of country
So is there is there any I just wonder because I know that if it were me and again, Erica is a way better person
But like if it were me and I knew that all of these attacks were happening and all these stories were being made up
My instinct would be to just prove her wrong
Instantaneously like to just be like here here is the real deal
And I know that she obviously as a CEO she's got a huge responsibility and that she I'm sure has been responsible for
The
pace at which both Blake Neff and Andrew Colvette respond or don't respond to some of these ridiculous stories
Probably because you know, they don't want to give it a whole lot of oxygen
But then they they do reach these times where they've reached their limit and they do respond
Has beyond the four-hour conversation that she had with Candice and Tennessee back in December?
Has she ever felt compelled to just be like here?
Here's my text message on this day that proves this just shut up already
Or is she just like I'm not even paying attention. I'm just how do I think I think she's I think she's got into the point
Because I asked drag I asked her how did that conversation go? You know done in Nashville and she goes
I thought it went well
You know, I didn't think there was anything crazy about it
And then I also asked Candice why didn't you ask Erica all these questions that you're asking me when you had her with you right in front of you
And she's like well, we yeah, we just what which is which just that alone and then I'll answer your question
Just that alone the graciousness of going to you know to to have this face to face
Totally, you know, I mean that that's the part that people have a hard time because we insert ourselves and everyone else's story
I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't say this. I wouldn't be this way
Like when you say does she have the timing or the pace of all these things, right?
I honestly don't know the inner workings of turning point
But as far as conversations of like do you want to just address this?
Yeah, we talk about it and she's like what's the point?
You know, I mean and Charlie's told her over the years of them being married if you answer every lie and every defamation
You will have no time in your day to actually do what you need to do
And I think that that's I think that that's a very true statement because it's we're kind of at a place to where
If you don't say anything you're complicit if you do say something you're trying to hide something
The manipulation is is so to me like I said I've never seen it before
You know, and it's like even like on the phone with air or with
Candice I'm like I can tell you about where they live
You know the fact that Charlie could easily have woken up their daughter
You know all these things right and she's like no no I go but this is my point
You're you're addressing a lifestyle that's behind closed doors that you know nothing about right and the psychotic part about that
Was that she did say she knew where she lived and she was right in the location and she goes oh, I know
I'm downloading floor plans
I'm like who does that
Oh my god, who does that?
That's who she said she has said on her show that she has people that live in the same building that are sources for her
Oh, which totally freaks me out just from a safety standpoint
But obviously there's leakers at TPSA too does Erica
Has there been progress in rooting those people out does she know who's in her building that might be
You know talking about her every move to Candice that freaks me out. Oh, yeah, it doesn't just freak me out
It would make me so angry, you know
Yeah, I mean there's such a betrayal of her there's there's a betrayal
There's a safety issue. There's all those kinds of things, you know
I saw post the other day about some woman that said she saw Erica and the kids
You know playing or whatever, but Erica was working out instead of being with her kids
I'm like then you didn't stay the whole day
It's like
It's but that's my and that's my point to go back and address that you know, I mean
How much time do you spend on this you know when you really are trying to take care of your family
Continue what you believe that you has been put on your heart to continue
You know and and that's that's a that's a decision for Erica
You know, there are seasons in life to where she may not be doing this all the time
She may hand things off. There's not I mean there's you we don't like I said there's no blueprint right right now
You were thrust into this situation. She knows she has Charlie in her ear saying you can do this
I know you can take this over
I you know all those kinds of things and you don't want to let him down
You know, I mean you don't want to have that thought that wow this was on my watch, you know
I mean and so the and they're like I said and I've told her that too
I said yeah, but there's there's a lot here that Charlie didn't anticipate no one did I for one didn't then
I for one didn't anticipate anything like this especially the way it started out with the revival
That we saw in our country after Charlie after Charlie's assassination. It was it was yes
So incredible even like it was my a lot of my clients were like that they were like oh my gosh tea
I want to get to a Bible. I want to be better. I'm seeing all these things and I'm like
This is what we need to focus on but again the enemy can't have that light. So that's why he brought Candison
You know she she gets to do it
We agree with you whole hearted it. We saw that too. I mean, I have a daughter high school aged daughter
She saw it in her school. She seen it with her
She seen it with her friends with it. It's just our community in general and then yes
It's I feel like that's been squelched a little bit. I mean not entirely, but it has been it's been overshadowed by this
Right, right and and I think
And so I think the thing with TPU essay to go back to your question is is that is there going to be a time in a place
You know, I would think so. I don't know for sure. I've not spoken to to anyone down there. That's just not my wheelhouse
Um, but I do think that knowing the organization and knowing their mission and trying to stay on mission
You know and being truth seekers and that I do but there also comes a point in time to where it's just it's exhausting
You know, I mean you I talked to people that I never in a million years would have thought
That they think about this situation that they and it's just like but I but it my father's not to convince you
My job is to give information and truth and to share experiences and then you get to decide on your own time
You know, I mean, I don't need to convince anyone of anything. There is a truth that stands here
And and be and and I do realize that being able to be with Erica and and the kids and and her mother
And that I do realize that my perspective is very very different
But my perspective isn't off of a screen. It's real life. Right. Yes. And so and it's an important
Yeah, you're super super close to her and that's obviously a perspective that trumps many many others
um
One of the things that has been central to
The storytelling that Candace has been doing is this idea that somehow it was Charlie's
relationship or um belief system about Israel that is like central to all of this and so and you know
Megan Kelly was another person that came out and said it's true
Charlie was like really really questioning Israel because he was
You know donors were upset with him for platforming Tucker whatever so that seems to be like a central theme
And that may be you know
Totally outside of your wheelhouse
But what what has what do you know about that if anything about and especially too when it relates to the accusations that Charlie was in the middle of becoming Catholic
Which I find very hard to believe
What do you think about that whole interplay especially because now people are criticizing TPUSA for continuing to platform the very people who are
You know promulgating that anti-Israel sentiment
Yeah as far as like dare stance in that I probably don't know any more than you guys do on that other than what I've heard what I've seen
What I've seen of Charlie's videos. I've gone back and just watched a lot of those as well to just kind of get that perspective
So I don't know like the details on that and I'm happy to say I don't know if I don't know something
I don't want to speculate I don't want to you know put words in anyone else's mouth. So I'm not sure on that
I have heard all the things as well
You know the same exact thing but I do know that Charlie was not becoming Catholic
I mean I do and and and the thing that's so interesting about that is Candace brought that up as well
She's like I know he's going to class is like oh no he's not
I mean he didn't go to classes
Yeah, and the thing about this is it's like where is and she kept saying it's effing weird
It's effing weird. I'm like weird is not criminal first of all
And the fact that if you're seeking your faith and you're seeking to get deeper into your relationship with Christ
Especially if you're on a platform like Charlie
You would go speak to a lot of different theological people
You know, I mean I do that as well. I mean my my my son and my son long my daughter are Byzantine Catholic
My husband was Catholic
I was raised Presbyteria and I am a sponge when it comes to all things Christ
And so I want to know I will sit with the priest I will sit with the pastor
I will sit with people because I want to know but it doesn't mean that I am I'm taking on that identity
And I think that I think that that's and then the church that she's talking about I've gone there
I sit there in reverence of the beautiful tradition
But it doesn't mean that I am taking that on in my life
And I think that's where people
That again they put themselves in that story
You know and and they kind of get to a place of like well this must be what's happening
And there's there's a really cool word called apapenia
And it is the brain that fills in the gaps that leads into these things that it's there's pattern recognition
And that's what I think so much of its spiritual warfare too. It's like these patterns
You know there's a pat I mean people go well look what happened during Covid look what happened all the lies
I'm like yeah you're right
That's why you have to have a specific level of discernment
And it's not the discernment that people are throwing around deluded
It's the spiritual discernment of vetting it against the Bible
vetting against the word and scripture it's like if women actually and men did that
We wouldn't have this problem because it's very clear
You know and so I think when you drag someone like Charlie into these accusations of you know what he was doing
Faith-based you really don't
You know, I mean you you really don't and that's where I think that we get into trouble
And then you get everyone jumping on the bandwagon and you know I just
To be very honest with you with you ladies. I I don't sit in that
Because if you sit in the world you look like the world and it gets all over you
I mean I I perceive I I prefer to have great conversations
You know sit down and I'm happy saying I don't know if I don't know
You know and then if it's something that I believe that isn't for me
I'm happy to step away from it. I don't need to take it with me
You know and and but these are things that people don't have the ability to do and and we're it's the generation too
It's cultural you know
I mean we don't have strong-minded women we don't have strong young kids
We don't have the grit and the resiliency of I don't know about this
But it's it's it's off it's absolutely off right the world is off
But not everything is a conspiracy because if it was then nothing would be a conspiracy right right exactly. I mean ultimately
You're right. You're absolutely right. I was I was gonna ask like how
How do you see this ending? You know, how do you see all of this turning out and ending and but I mean at the end
The day it's like she's she's gonna be fine. She's gonna be great and the kids she she will and she's you know
She'll because she is on the right side of things. She's on the she's
It's for lack of a better phrase because obviously I'm not very good at phrasing today is um
She's she's the good guy in all this, you know, like she's the one that's gonna she's fine
She's fine. She's doing all the right things and and she's navigating the best that she knows how to navigate and well
That's why I said that's why I said you can tell the better against the Bible right you can tell them by their fruits
You know, I mean, I mean if you did a you guys never have time you should do a compare and contrast you you've got someone that has a
A ministry every day. You know with with the gospel through Bible 365
It's it was hers long before Charlie long before she was married
You've got her clothing brand who was all based in sustainability and you know local
I actually helped her build that with my my my way back in the day when I was doing fashion
And so, you know, I know the integrity behind it
I mean the messaging the fabric all the thing very very mindful doing that right, you know
She has her children she's taking care of her mother on a daily basis by the way and and I watch the deterioration of Lori
And it's very sad and I mean it's it's gut wrenching
I was just with her a couple weeks ago sitting next to her full-time caregivers in a wheelchair
I mean this this this is vile to say this is this is not real and so
When you look at the fruits of that and then you look at someone who sits in her big mansion definitely in Nashville
I've seen it and you know is now monetizing all this information
She's the only person that can this is the only person that I know they can take something that would be a 60 second explanation
And make a two-hour podcast out of it and monetize it right
She's she's the at she's the only one at the yeah at the detriment of somebody else like right right
So it's so cruel. It's just just unbelievably cruel. It is it cruel is is like the best word you and also just disgusting like I don't yeah
It's just gross
So and and that's why to just to touch upon when you say like Eric is gonna be okay, you know, I mean
She will be okay. I mean life
Yeah, life changed it definitely changed. It will not it will not look like she thinks it was going to look
You know, I mean you have this beautiful thing that you think you're gonna have this incredible life with your love of your life and your children
You know, and that didn't happen. It was hijacked, you know by this situation
So now you have and that's why I said the strength of someone
That's where you know when how strong someone is in their faith when they deal with the crisis
And then they're deal with the crisis that's in the public and then they deal with being attacked
And that's why I said the layers of this, you know, but yeah, she will she will be okay
And I and I you know, I think you've touched on it a couple times just in you know talking to you today Tracy
But I think she is such a woman of strong faith that people a lot of people don't get that a lot of people don't understand it
They're uncomfortable with it
So when they see her
Being able to deal with such a tragedy like this and do it in a way that is graceful
And just in the way that she did I mean, I just think some people don't get it because they would not be able to handle it like her
And that's why I said when when we insert ourselves into everyone else's story
I wouldn't do this. Why is she doing that? I wouldn't handle it this way
Well, when I went through this loss. This is how I dealt with it
So and that's and that's once we get in trouble with that rather than just sitting back
And being prayerful about someone and witnessing that the grace and and yeah
There's going to be stumbles and falls and missteps and things like that
But that's why there's grace in this is the fact that nobody knows how to deal with this
Isn't it we've never she's never been through something like this. I never have witnessed this before
And so I just think I just think that when you said
People don't know how to deal with a strong faith filled woman that's rooted in her face
And that understands that you know Charlie is with Christ and she will see him again
And even talking to their to their children, you know their daughter
You know she talks about you know daddies in heaven and she sees the photo of the family everywhere
Things are still there
You know and so it's it's that level. I think that we're so we're so removed
And we're so disconnected from that that we just cannot comprehend it and to be honest with you. It's not our job
Yeah, it's just not our job to understand it
She she did Erica did um she fulfilled a lot of the appearances that Charlie had booked for his book tour and all those things
Which was another again just an awe that she's able to do that
um
Do she have plans to talk publicly again to do interviews again about this about anything about TPSA
I know she does speaking engagement and she does that you know with TPSA and she's on the road doing that kind of thing
But would she be I mean will she be interested at some point in telling sort of her side of this story because
Just putting in a plug for ourselves. We would love to talk to her right and please tell her that this would be a very safe space
Um, but I'm just curious if she plans to to speak out about this again
I think she will when the timing is right like I said, you know
I mean and to address your your question about the dates and everything
Yeah, she that's what she said she will honor everything that was in place in memory of Charlie
People think that she wants the stage
She doesn't want the stage and I know that's a hard thing to comprehend when she's out there
But I can tell you that is not what she wants
That's why she stepped away from that one pageant. She was like, I don't want any part of this
This is just not me. I'm not willing to do this she and that's why you never really saw Erica that much
When she was married to Charlie in turning point she was dealing with proclaim and Bible 365 and her children and and that was not her
And so she honored that because she knew she could and she had the bandwidth to do it
But she actually said to me when after all this happened it was probably maybe two weeks
After this happened she said, you know T. I'm not going to be able to breathe until January
And I and this was this was like it and I go you know what I go I can see that
And I said we'll use your family and your friends build your village
Let us be there to help you and support you in whatever you need and and we all meant that you know
Because we knew she was going to take care of everything she can take care of and then who knows you know
The guidance the advice everybody coming at her everyone wants something from her everyone says things to her
And so she has to stay the course of what she perceives that Charlie would have wanted
And so I think that that's a big that's a big mantle to carry you know and so
So that's why I think she said that you know not full January or until the first of the year
You know and she was able to spend some time because then she had to deal with all the all the events that were in
But I do know she has the event coming up in Dallas
Which is women's leadership summit, you know, that's that's an annual thing as well
And then I don't I mean the big thing for me is is is that if she were to speak on this
You know and come out on that it's like
Can you you have to be able to do that in such a such a safe place
That that it's not just completely annihilated I watch people take my videos
They just clip them and change the tone and do all the things and I'm like you guys it's life. Oh my god
You know, I mean and it's saying it's it's truly that's that's like my favorite word lately
Is is insanity, you know, yeah, it is it does so much insanity out there you guys are really
Um lucky to have each other because we know what thank you, you know, yeah have great friends and so it's yeah
That's all god, right is like that's it totally is and and we we joked about that because um like I met her
15 years ago at a local
A local TV station I was there with the handbag line and she was there with just um right after miss Arizona
And we just like connected and just started helping each other out and as entrepreneurs
You're like I got this contact. Let me share this with you, right?
And you just want to see each other succeed and as women. I know that's not a normal thing
um
No, it's not and it was interesting because she goes t she goes god new
That this is where I was going to need someone and friends to and then and then it's a very small circle
You know, it's a very small circle, but it's a very very very powerful circle because people are very protective
Yes, and they're necessary to be that way
Yeah, I'm so glad. I'm so glad she has you and that circle
Um, that makes I mean it makes all of this easier to take somehow because it's just
It's awful. I mean the whole thing is just unspeakably awful and and please tell her how much we're rooting for her
I will and how I'm praying for her
Yes, because this is no one should go through I mean she's already been through enough and so every single day that there's a new
You know, Candice episode and ripping her apart. It just it just it just enrages us and so please know that there are people that are in her corner
Um, and not everybody's insane out here. No, no, right
No, but again, but again like I said the world's gonna do what the world's gonna do, right? So
We we can respond differently and how we you know do things and when I get truth
I stop I vet it and then I move past it some people don't want to believe the truth because then it all stops
Everything stops and Candice is one of those people
I mean even the Romanian Angels thing when you talked about the child trafficking and all this stuff
I mean I have photos with gifts that my name on it sitting in the orphanage
It's like it's like I know what this was about, you know, and so but then that doesn't feed the story
It doesn't fuel anything and I think that's money
No, no, and you can't monetize the truth to be honest with you. You really can't you know, I mean it stand
Yeah
Well, we want to give you an opportunity to tell our audience more about what you do and and help people
That you might be able to help understand what it is that you do and how they can find you online and elsewhere
Oh, well, I am a holistic transformational life coach been doing it for over 30 years um
And an entrepreneur I have five different fashion lines owned a gym one gym by the way Candice said multiple but one
And just married have two beautiful daughters a grandmother of two and one on the way we just found out two days ago
And then as far as I know it's so fun
And that's one of the things that I love is the generational. It's why I coach multi-generations
Throughout whether it's aging well whether it's older women on a second act whether it's new parents preparing their life
And what that means to take that on nutrition well-being entrepreneurship is my favorite one especially when it comes to women
And just really just navigating life and equipping people to be strong
Don't numb yourself out of life equip yourself for it
And that's ultimately what I what I'm blessed to do like I said over 30 years
And it's just a privilege to work with people because you get to be a tiny little puzzle piece
In where God's gonna have for them
And so I love what I get to do in here as a coach and
My website. I have a website with full information. We have developed has been about
How many years now of we're fine living events?
It's a multi-generational women's event and we bring in regenerative farmers and biological Dennis and natural paths and
A lot of truth in that room and pulling back to veil and equipping women with confidence
Not outsourcing things through to white coats. It's really fully and because I believe you're fully informed
You can make an informed decision
And so it's every level of life
And so it's really just I'm walking alongside of multi-generations of women as they navigate
You know, what's happening in the world today and just trying to bring them back to a moral compass
Definitely walk along with them in faith and if I can be of service
If I can't I've got someone that can if they're if you know if it's over me
And so it's just being very humble you know to be able to to work with people because I do believe that when you have strong women
They raise strong families and this changes what we're dealing with right now and you don't see
The insanity out in the world, you know, and so and I'm probably older than you guys
But I go back to a generation to where you know, we didn't have social media
You know and the impact of it and so it was real life
You know, it was real life and I prefer that a thousand percent
Yeah, so what is the website refinement? It's tracyl martin dot com
Okay, yeah, and yeah, and every it's e y
Yeah, and everything's on there the websites. I have multiple curriculums on there
We have a great genius plan on there and then my Instagram is officially tracy martin
Um and very very much a lot of intention is put in that account to address what's happening
But through a logical lens
You know and kind of breaking things down of like I think I did a post on the Jezebel spirit versus the proverbs 31 woman
And and breaking it down and you can you can decide, you know, which one it is
I just want you to have information
You know and and and that ultimately to me
A woman fully informed as a game changer, you know, especially for our families
And that that matters whether it's our nutrition
Relationships medical all the things that um that we are the ethos of the home
And so we need some strong women and I think we have a great example of one in Erica
Yes, absolutely. Yeah
Thank you so much. Yeah, talking to us. We really thank you. Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity

Chicks on The Right Show w Mock and Daisy

Chicks on The Right Show w Mock and Daisy

Chicks on The Right Show w Mock and Daisy
