"Everyone was in the loop" (including Rick Perry)

Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the EU finally speaks in public before the House Intelligence Committee, and he says top administration officials knew about the requests to Ukraine for investigations at the heart of the impeachment probe. This includes his former "amigo on Ukraine policy", Energy Secretary Rick Perry. Also, the Democratic debate finally gets some time at the Democratic debates. Find more on the show at politico.com/energy-podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices