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Someone went up to send him last Saturday from the palace to suggest to him that he voluntarily

gives up his obsession. Was there any sign from Andrew that he'd been wanting to do that?

Well, I think that he'd been made and off he can't refuse. Even in the sort of

blockiest of times, he was always there. Whether governments would come and go, crisis would come and go.

We also have a problem at the moment that we don't have a prime minister who is really a monarchist.

Starmer is one of those who hates Britain. He doesn't believe in his own country.

So when Alcy is commercially minded, it seems Meghan Markle is going to be charging

1700 quid for a meat and grease. Harry's whole aim now is to get back to Britain.

Now he is the biographer of the establishment fears the most. A man who spent decades peeling

back the gilded veneer of the rich, the powerful and the royal. So is the British royal family

rocks and the British government. Wobbles who better to see on my quick visit to London than the

ultimate investigative insider, Tom Bauer. Welcome back to Harry Coles saves the West. A nice to

see you in person. Thank you. Can you fly over the other day from Washington? I can't remember

a time when so many different parts of Britain seem to be utterly, I'm not the swear, but

you know you can imagine what I was about to say next. The government is a total shambles

that most unpopular sense polling was invented. The royals in the middle of a crisis of generations,

the economy on the floor, can you remember a time when things were this bleak? I'm pretty

never quite old so I can. Well where would you put it on the scale? Profumo and the aftermath

of Suez and it was a wonderful era to be alive in but it was pretty rocky but at the moment for

most people this is just unprecedented, a dreadful government as a royal family certainly

in the doldrums, war in the Middle East, war in Ukraine, a total uncertainty and there's

nothing to cling to other than nurse. And the late Queen, and we discussed this the other week,

but the late Queen was almost that sort of pillar of stability that even in the rockiest of times

and her legacy will probably discuss again later in terms of Andrew, bears some, bears some

reflection, but even in the sort of rockiest of times, she was always there whether governments

would come and go, crisis would come and go, but she would be there. King Charles hasn't quite yet

mastered that sort of father of the nation figure. And he never will, that's the tragedy. I mean

he comes with too much baggage. The Queen was silent and perfect and represented the best of

British fundamental values. And Charles, despite all his good qualities, never would achieve that

sort of impervious, wonderful reassurance. And of course he's ill and he's a very different

person to the Queen. He's not reticent, he's controversial and he doesn't cut the mustard in the same

way that she did. And that is part of the problem and we're beset by so many pressures now,

not least the always the threat of Islamic terrorism or whatever. And he doesn't provide that

reassurance. Do you say you could, do you think he'd had more time? He could have grown into that

role. Or is it just his personality that he's always been a sort of political animal in a way

with the, the spider web letters and the, and the political meddling? Is he just a very different

person? No, I think the spider head spider web letters actually were irrelevant to him. I mean

it was just that he was, he was sort controversy and was controversial because his personal life.

I think the Queen just always presented an impeccable source of probity and represented everything

that the British believed him. But we also have a problem at the moment that we don't have a

prime minister who is really a monarchist. We don't have a prime minister who believes in the

armed forces. He seems to be an international globalist who believes in giving everything away

and can't even send a ship to the Mediterranean. What? Exactly. At a time, at a time of unprecedented

constitution upheaval, they have a constitutional arsonist. Exactly. We've been going to the

700 years worth of hereditary peers in the last week or so. And everything is done through

the gilded telescope of so-called international law. Well, we just have the feeling that

Starmer is one of those who hates Britain. He doesn't believe in his own country. He doesn't

believe in teaching the great genius of British history. In fact, the country keeps on championing

the enemies like Jerry Adams or the people when he brings actions against army veterans.

You just think, well, he clearly isn't somebody who believes in the country and his values.

That, of course, undermines the monarchy because in a nutshell, the King, with all the problems

now beset you the royals, depends on the prime minister, the cabinet secretary and his advisors

or what to do. And he's not getting the right advice. How do you hear relations between the

palace and the number ten amendment? Obviously, there was a lot of kickback at the idea of inviting

Donald Trump to the second state visit last year. The King's visit to Washington DC at the end of April

still hasn't yet officially been confirmed. That strikes me as, you know, the King and President

Trump have had their crossed words over various issues. How are relations in your understanding

between Starmer and the palace? I don't think there are any relations. I mean, there's clearly a

working relationship. There's no warmth. There's no genuine understanding. I mean, a prime minister

who doesn't believe in the countryside really doesn't believe, as I say, British values,

isn't going to get on with a monarch who is passionate about the countryside architecture,

history and all the rest. So, I think it's just a working relationship of mutual survival.

How do you think the plan to put pictures of British nature and wildlife on our banking

notes is going to go down? I suspect Charles, quite like that, went to? Well, I do think so.

I mean, I think as long as his space stays on them, yeah. I mean, let's hope the

italus space doesn't fit everyone. It did. Obviously, the shadow and cloud of Andrew and Epstein

continues to blight both Charles and Keir Starmer through Peter Manderson. They're kind of both bound

up in this, in this sort of scandal that's not their own making, but it seems to be almost

potentially going to bring, well, Tarnish both of them. Give me a Starmer. Starmer of a matter of

Starmer is completely of his own making because he was willing to make it. So, that was completely

of his own making and it just shows what a foolish, limited, blinkered man he is. And when he

we now see that he was given advice, not to a point, Peter Manderson. I mean, I was a shocked

knowing Manderson for 30 years. He got that job. I think on the king's side, he is slow. That is

one of his problems. He procrastinates and he doesn't have amongst his advisors people who tell

him no, because if they tell him no, then they're fired. So, he took far too long to handle the

Andrew problem. He should have got rid of him soon after he became king and told him after the

night news and night interview, it was all over. And now, of course, he's a beset by the problem

of not only Andrew, but he's also his daughters. Well, just on Andrew briefly, he seems to be,

he's got there in the end. He's now, he's putting out personal statements under his own name,

saying, you know, how shocked he is and he'll work with the police. Do you think that's enough?

Obviously, there's talk of stripping Andrew from the succession, but it could take years to get

14 Commonwealth countries to a ground. Well, as I understand it, someone went up to send him last

Saturday from the palace to suggest to Andrew that he voluntarily gives up the succession.

And he can do that. He can sign a form saying he renounces the succession. That ends it straight

away. And that would be the cleanest solution. And as the emissary said, they've given me the dirty

work to do. But it's a good thing that they've started it, and that's the way to handle it.

Do you, was there any sign from Andrew that he'd been willing to do that?

Well, I think that he'll be made and off he can't refuse. Because in the end, he is totally dependent.

On his brother, exactly. I mean, could you think, really, I mean, there's talk of any more comes out

in the late in the next trance of the Epstein files and any more pictures, any more that the

concept of him even being in Britain is going to be quite alien to.

Well, I think he's going to stay in Britain. I mean, it would be dangerous if he'd been

Dubai right now. And no, he'd be able to control. He'd be able to control. I think he's vital

that he's kept from the sending of state just so that he can't appear anywhere, say something stupid.

And there's also a welfare check element as well. In the fact that he's had his shotguns taken away.

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Vickers and priests are passing a passing through. He's obviously going to dark play.

Yeah, of course he is. And the pressure on the man who has not much resilience because

there's arrogance and intelligence is enormous. So I think it's much better he's kept safely there.

William and Catherine have put quite a firm arm around bitters in New Guinea. They've been

still there at Christmas. They've been invited to Royal occasions. The more that comes out in the

files, the more it looks like they have some questions to ask themselves. Not least,

from jetting to see Jeffery Epstein, days after he was released from prison with her mother

to go and presumably beg for some more cash. Well, I think they're clear under the influence of

their mother. Would they have realised independently that they shouldn't have gone, of course they

should have. They're growing women and they should have said to their mother, this has greed

gone a bit too far. Let's stay away from that. But I think that's the problem with the limitations

of those two girls. I wouldn't have when the whole thing broke have criticised them. But I think

now there is a shadow over them and the best would be for them to disappear too. Well, they don't

exactly play a massive front line role in the family. They wanted one though. They wanted one

because they liked it and it was provided images, it provided a profile which helped their commercial

careers. But that has now got to be brought to an end. Conversely minded like their mother.

So when else is commercially minded, it seems Meghan Markle we read today is going to be charging

for 1700 quid for a meat and greets. That's for a 32.0 isn't it? Oh, worse.

Down that, down that, down that past. I mean, the Queen never forbade the sandwiching agreement

when they left for mix it in 2021. That was all about they were not allowed to exploit commercially

the royal titles. That's exactly what she's doing. Yeah. After the Australia, so Sharon,

I would next imagine she would be doing a TV advert for mayonnaise or something. The point about

the Sussex is they're desperate. Yeah. Money is running out. Social skills are not present.

A low profile in America now. They haven't really got a future other than by selling the royal

label. Well, the Netflix stuff has been a disaster. It didn't even break through into the top

thousand shows that shows on there. What happens though if they push the line? I mean,

the charges are in no position right now to be cracking the whip. No, but I think we need more.

William, I think so. I mean, Harry's whole aim now is to get back to Britain reconciliation

somehow rebuild his status here, which could then reflect back in America. I think William will stop

that. How is, you know, you speak to people close to these, this family. William, he doesn't look

like a happy bunny, does he? Yeah, he does not. I think several reasons. One is, of course,

he's got a sick wife. Secondly, he doesn't look forward to be king. He doesn't know how long

that'll be before he is sooner rather than later. Well, I mean, hopefully not, but he knows.

And I think he doesn't, I think he doesn't have a concept as Charles did. He actually had a concept

of what he should be like as a monarch. William just talks about change. He was not quite sure if

he wants to be a Danish killer of bicycle. So that sounds a bit like Kirstaam. He talks about change

a lot and nothing ever does. He gets accused of being slightly lazy and gets very angry when

people call that. He's very angry with the Daily Mail for suggesting that. Is he just sort of

having some time now, because he knows that he has the rest of his life, he will have to be

changed to the desk, so to speak. And he's having some time now to bring up his kids in the most

normal way he can. And actually, once he becomes king, it was obviously pedal to the metal.

Is that fair or is he genuinely, genuinely doesn't want to do it? I think it's a mixture.

I think he could probably do more. I think he is desperate not to repeat the mistakes

of his own childhood, which should have broken marriage. And an absolute mother clearly and

an absolute father for much of the time. And I think that's all to the good. The problem is that

in the end, does he want to fulfil his duty? And the duty is to be visible and to open hospitals in

Skullthorpe or whatever. And he seems to be rather reluctant to do a lot of it. But when he does

it, as when Kate does it, there's a huge applause. It's huge. He was wondering around bar market,

just 500 yards from here in the pissing rains. He does turn up sometime. He looks like,

he's kind of enjoying it. I think they're going down the Burmese bear mile. So some of those

kids are better than others. Just on the king's visit to DC, Donald Trump says it's happening.

The palace haven't confirmed it. There was obviously huge tensions at the moment with

Warren Iran, the president of outrageous, you could argue comments about Canada,

which is obviously as much as the king's domain as we are. Do you think the visit will go ahead?

It feels to me like the palace really don't want to do this. Well, I don't think the palace

have a choice. They must do what the prime minister does. Yes, orders. We are aptly outrageous

of Starma to use the king twice. But somehow to embarrass the monarchy, I think the king must

go to America. It's a hugely important anniversary, the 250th of independence. It will be a mistake

to snub America. Put aside the president. I hope the king will go. The king and Trump get on

very well. There are so many ruffled feathers now because of Starma's behavior. Starma's judgment,

it's really so poor. I do hope that he will not interfere in what is in the end of the long term

interests of Britain. Oh, yeah. I mean, they're barely speaking, but the one thing they are

speaking about is the mutual love of the king. He's never been a more important sort of, I think,

those years were diplomatic pool, but diplomatic sort of champion, right? The point of my

choice is he is highly well versed. He knows a lot. He can talk to Trump in any language that

Trump wants to talk. And he speaks some sense because of his experience. Starma and Trump clearly

have fallen out big time. It's the king's job to repair relations. And I just hope that Starma

isn't so small-minded and narrow-focused that he somehow gets in the way of it. You've seen

politicians come and go, you've seen Labour governments fall and the inner workings of them.

Where I sit five thousand miles away, it looks like Starma's in office out of power,

but the Labour Party notoriously crap at getting rid of leaders. There's a situation where he

just sort of sits there for another couple of years. He's blessed with a very weak leader of

the opposition and the divided opposition between the Tories were divided, they're clearly divided

between the Tories and reform. So there's not a consistent, stonking great big parliamentary

majority. But there's no consistent ideology which continuously exposes the failure of Starma.

There's not an argument which actually destroys him. Nobody actually says to him when he says

we're fighting for the cost of living. Then if we're concerned about the cost of living,

why do you keep on putting people's taxes up? That takes the money out of their pocket.

I mean, there's not the most simple ulcers to the problems he himself is causing.

If you were advising, you had one piece of advice to the king, one piece of vice to

Kiss Starma. What would Tom Bauer be telling them to do right now? The king should get rid of

the Andrew problem very, very fast and go to America and Starma, I think, he should find a very,

very diplomatic exit except who knows what would then follow. Better than you know, you might say.

Tom Bauer, thank you for joining us. As ever. Pleasure.

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