Exposing the geoengineering cartel, Q&A #207

0:00We've learned anything from these past couple of years. My fellow Americans, is that personal medical freedom and liberty are in crisis. America, our love, loves, brings together the top experts in healthcare-related fields to keep you a beat ahead. Okay, so when I say the word geoengineering, what comes to your mind? So, you know, it's going to be some people understand the fight, understand what's really going on, but a lot of people do not understand what's really behind all this. And it's been built in for years. It's been quite a while. Most of us, let's face it, we're busy with our lives. We don't always pay attention to some of these things. But the problem is that if we don't pay attention to it, it will pay attention to us, not in ways that we like either. You've seen those kind of days when you look

1:00up and you see sort of the funny patterns in the sky kind of thing going on. That's a little bit of it, but there's a whole lot more to it as well. You sometimes, this weather modification thing is a little more conspiratory, some people think it is, but there's a lot behind this here. So, we'll take this on a little bit here today, try to educate all of us a little more on this. And some interesting questions on it as well. And I'm just really thrilled and excited to have on here. Dr. Clayton Baker is with me here. And he of course has been, he's on pulse. He's the co-host every Thursday and we'll be back in the lineup in October here. He's been off with some personal matters in the family, but he'll be coming back here very shortly. Dr. Baker, welcome to the broadcast. Thanks so much, Malcolm. It's great to be back. Yeah, it's great to have you. I was looking forward to having you on and you've been on my mind for a while now on this. I got to get a mind of why not really educate all of us a little more

2:01because you've been deep into this a little bit here. Let me tell folks as well that what's unique about Dr. Clayton Baker is is that he's an MD, but he has he's very passionate about this topic. So he's taken on a lot of the other things, but he was also a big voice, a strong voice throughout the COVID as well. And a lot of people remember that. He's an internal medicine physician over 30 years in clinical practice and and now he's become an incredible voice to go after the, you know what I call it? There's a geoengineering cartel is what I call. I don't know if that's an accurate statement in Dr. Clayton, but that's why I referenced it as you ever call it that? I think that's a very reasonable term to use. I really do. In many ways, I think there's a tremendous amount of similarities and it can help people to get their heads around what's going on that the geoengineering cartel, as you call it, the many people that are involved in this

3:02function really under a similar playbook as the people that do gain a function by a weapons development and then all of this sort of responsive vaccines and so on. It's really got tremendous and tremendous similarities and tremendous analogies to what's going what happened that we saw during COVID. And you know, I can go into that in a little bit more detail, but I think to call it a cartel is a very reasonable thing to do. It's a combination of people that are in includes with each other to do something semi-secretive, something that's very objectionable, but which they keep out of the public eye deliberately and they gaslight and misrepresent when people ask about it. And it has a tremendous amount of connections with the deep state and our government and another government. So there's so many similarities between geoengineering and what had what we saw during COVID with the bio weapons gain of function, manipulation of viruses, and then

4:05this responsive, the response to that manufactured crisis. Very, very good comparison. And because people know the gain of function and how evil that is and that's still going on in force and all these bio labs all over the world. And the US has its hands in a lot of them and we speak out about that quite a bit actually. That's another pretty serious topic that you kind of shake your head sometimes, Dr. Baker, as to what's really going on with that. You mentioned, when we talk about the cartel, these are people that are in positions of power. So when it comes to the geoengineering and that sort of thing, what does this cartel, these people, these people of power, what do they gain out of this? Help us understand we got a sort of a visual now of who these people might be as you link it toward something that people can relate to with the gain of function and some of the COVID stuff. What do they gain out of this? What's the what's the what's the what's the gain of them? What's the benefit of? Sure. Well, I kind of combined a lot of these rather nefarious

5:10activities that are unquestionably going on in the world in a widespread manner. As you mentioned that there's, for example, bio weapons labs all over the world and the US government, the US deep state is involved in funding and running a lot of them. That's one of the sort of elements of these nefarious activities that are all interconnected. One of them is the gain of function by a weapons programs. The second is geoengineering, which is basically way to manipulate the weather. I can define geoengineering as the sum total of all the weather and climate manipulation methods that humans employ to deliberately and frankly, unnaturally change control and weaponize weather and climate. So just as when we talk about bio weapons, they're changing, manipulating and controlling the microbial world. In this case, they're they're trying to control the weather. Now there's several reasons why they would want to do this. First of all, governments and this is well established

6:12in the United States, governments, documents and so on that governments recognized even before World War II, but especially shortly after World War II that the technology exists to manipulate weather patterns and defense departments or militaries realize that weather can be weaponized. This is a huge part, perhaps the single biggest part of the geoengineering cartel. That is governments and militaries know that weaponizing weather can be a tremendous well-daired. There's actually a famous for people who studied geoengineering. There's a famous document from the United States military and there was a white paper way back in the I think in the 70s that said it was literally weather as a force multiplier and those of us who are familiar to some extent with military terminology, a force multiplier is something that takes your force of say

7:18a company of men and makes it function like a battalion. So it multiplies the force, multiplies military effectiveness of whatever you have. This is something that's been going on for 50, 60, 70, 80 years really started in earnest at the end of World War II that the United States government, the Air Force, various defense contractors and so on began studying ways to manipulate weather patterns both for enhanced communications and more importantly for manipulating storms, manipulating grouts and so on. This is an absolutely huge part and probably it's the most secretive, it's the most protected element of geoengineering. Now a second reason why geoengineering is taking place is at least a state of reason is to combat climate changes, to combat global warming.

8:18And the notion is that if you put cloud cover between sunlight and the surface of the earth, you can reduce the heat at the at the ground level of the earth. The problem, there's numerous problems with this and to some extent I think that this is a command, I think this is a false pretense. But what of the problems is that when you have cloud cover it may reflect some of the incoming sunlight from the sun but it will also act as a blanket to keep heat that is down at ground level from reflecting off into the sky. So as we all know if you live in the desert, if you bend at the desert, it gets very, very hot in the world before geoengineering anyway when there was typically clear skies in the desert, it would get very, very hot in the day time due to the sunlight, the intense sunlight and then it would get very cold at night because a lot of the heat would dissipate. But really what we're acting, having nearest reacting is acting as a

9:20blanket in many cases. So at any rate, artificial cloud covers and another purported rationale for this. The other and really terrifying aspect of this is that people are being paid to do this. So a lot of people are either deliberately saying we have to combat global warming or climate change with these technologies but they will pay people large sums of money, millions, even billions of dollars to do it. So part of it is military and I do believe that that's the most important part of it. All of those are multiple ones. Part of it is manipulating it on the pretense that this is something that is necessary due to climate change. Let me ask you now. So what about the one thing we haven't really touched on, we're drawing this picture right now, painting this picture if you will. What is like some people who do an eye roll and say so what? It doesn't really impact me. Let's talk a moment about let's get to the point of what's the impact of why should they care?

10:24How is this going to impact their lives in any regard? For those who don't really really understand it? Well, that's a good point because a lot of folks are understandably caught up in their day-to-day lives and their day-to-day activities and they say, well, this is a big thing and it's not something that I kind of have good understanding of why should I worry about it. There's a couple of reasons why people should worry about it. First of all, all forms of geoengineering above all else ultimately are deliberate pollution, deliberate air pollution. The whole basis of most geoengineering programs is to put, particularly matter, that is pollution, microscopic, maybe metals in terms of aluminum compounds, barium or stradium compounds are commonly used, coal fly ash, which is a byproduct of coal burning power plants, sulfur dioxide or sulfuric acid put into the upper

11:30atmosphere and so on. So essentially it's chemically polluting the air that we breathe and the air that is above us and that affects everybody on the planet and every living thing that's on the planet. So this is really industrial scale deliberate air pollution. A lot of these technologies or a lot of these things that are sprayed into the atmosphere to aggregate moisture to create artificial cloud cover and so on and so forth come down in the rain and they pollute our soil and they pollute our water and so on. So this is really a drastic and industrial scale deliberate pollution of our environment and this affects everybody. This affects animals, this affects invertebrates like worms in the ground, this affects pollinators. We all know that pollinators like bees are having a very hard time right now. This affects human beings. Aluminum is well known to promote both

12:33neurologic disease like Alzheimer's disease and pulmonary disease like lung cancer. So this is this is industrial scale pollution. That would be one very good reason to understand it. The other reason which is perhaps even more nefarious is that when you weaponize the weather it can be weaponized against anybody. It can be weaponized against your own people if your government wants to do that. So this is not a joke, this is not a fringe idea. This is unfortunately something that's really widespread, nearly worldwide. Yeah. When you say Alzheimer's you will just speak in about the air. Dig a little into that for me please. What are we talking about when we travel to Alzheimer's dementia? What kind of an impact? What did that happen? So as we all know Alzheimer's disease is a form of dementia, a form of loss of cognitive ability typically with old age. One of the demonstrated

13:37risk factors for Alzheimer's is being exposed in large amounts to microscopic aluminum. This is not drinking out of an aluminum can. That's not bioavailable aluminum. This is breathing or ingesting microscopic levels of aluminum. It's also implicated as we some of us know who study vaccines very closely and try to study them honestly and openly that aluminum irritants that are in vaccines can cause various problems as well. For example, in young children, what we're talking about here is microscopic aluminum salts that end up in the atmosphere through geoengineering programs. They end up in the air. They can be inhaled. They end up in the water. They can be dragged. We can drink them and they can end up in the soil and can get into a food and so on and so forth. When you ingest microscopic aluminum bioavailable aluminum, it can cross the blood brain

14:42barrier which is many people know is the barrier between the bloodstream itself and the cells in the central nervous system and it is a neurotoxin. It's interesting that aluminum is purely toxic even though it's a very prominent metal on the earth's crust. It doesn't have any biological function. You know, we know iron is in heme and in hemoglobin it's very important. Other metals are very, very important in the human system. They can be cofactors for enzymes and whatnot. Aluminum has no biological function in most animals. It's purely toxic. This is just the most prevalent metal that we see in geoengineering programs and it ends up as they said in our natural environment and we end up ingesting it and that can promote things like Alzheimer's. I've heard, correct me on this now, I've also heard a sidebar on this emitting here but like

15:42deodorants, men's deodorant, well, some of them have, correct me but I believe some of them have aluminum in them and that can, I understand over time, that can become a problem, is that a correct statement? Yeah, I think that again, it's an accumulated amount of exposure can be a problem and it's usually to make a slight variation of what you said. It's usually not in the deodorant but it's an anti-perspirant. It keeps the, which is slightly different. It keeps you from perspiring and that's what those aluminum compounds are sometimes found there. I don't personally recommend people use anything with bioavailable aluminum. Some antioxidants and bioavailable aluminum in them as well but I don't recommend them. All right. So there is an impact to this and one of the things I'm thinking about with the geoengineering and back to this modification stuff there is the food supply. The damage to the food supply, you mentioned some of the soil that worms, that sort

16:44of thing but the general food supply is going to impact everybody. What sort of thing Dr. Baker, is it doing to the food supply in your estimation that would impact really any of us? Well, one interesting point to point out is that this is well known by people in the know, industry. So there is sort of something that the average person and maybe totally unaware of but we've seen so much bioavailable aluminum accumulation in our soil that Monsanto, that wonderful company that's owned by Bear that sprays glyphosate all over everything as well, has patented certain types of crops, crop seeds to be aluminum tolerant. So as the degree of aluminum accumulates in the soil, it makes plants harder, it makes it harder for plants to grow effectively

17:46and so aluminum resistant seeds are now have now been developed and are being used in crops. So aluminum also affects plants, it affects their ability to absorb water, it affects their ability to grow adequate root systems and also when it's sprayed over them, it's a desiccant and dries them out and it also makes them more prominent when you dry out vegetation, what is it make it more prone to it makes it more prone to fires? And so as we see these forest fires going on, a lot of them are intentionally lit but I think that there's evidence that this is contributing to that, that it's desiccating drying out vegetation making it more prone to wildfires as well. So it's an issue for food supply, it's an issue for forest fires and forest management, it's an issue for human health, it's an issue for animal health, it's and again we talked about pollinators when you take away pollinators that's going to decrease food supply dramatically as well.

18:49So we're dealing with, it's just we're not meant to be showered with microscopic bioavailable aluminum on a regular basis, it's just not healthy, it's not something that anything on earth was evolved to tolerate but that's what we're being exposed to. And it's more more profound the impact on people then we all realize that we don't focus or pay attention to the specifics of this. Dr. Clayton Baker has been all over this in the past a couple of years. He's done a tremendous library of programming, trying to weak people up and get the word out there. Now there are some things happening on a state level and we'll talk a little bit more with him in a moment about federal level, I dive in a little bit, but state level there are some states that are pushing back on this now and that are taking matters into their own hands and there are other still looking at it. Now I started as I did some research on this and looked at this, I thought initially it was like a way I like a lot of things, it works to a

19:54red state, blue state kind of thing, but then again I'm not sure as I looked a little further with the research, it was kind of it's just I'm going to ask you some questions on that line here. Let me take a moment and just kind of reconnect here and repost with everybody here with Dr. Clayton Baker as with us and I want to tell you two about his book. He's the author of the Medical Masquerade, a physician exposes the deceptions of COVID, it is fantastic, that is get it Amazon or any bookstore, but it also was in the America Out Loud bookstore of course, as always a lot of you love the bookstore, we've got tremendous books in there and it's what we do for all of our experts and our guests that are on the broadcast as well. So the Medical Masquerade, a physician exposes the deceptions of COVID, in fact if you put your mouse when you go to AmericaOut Loud.News, okay, if you put your mouse over authors and hosts and you'll see right up at the top is they're all alphabetical so Baker is easy to find up there, that's one of the

20:56advantages being ABCD versus a xylophone, Mr. xylophone, exx, man, Mr. xylophone. So but if you go up there for Baker and you'll see and you go there, you'll click on his picture. From the you'll be able to take a look at the book, you get his background a little more and contact points are there, but also his library of shows on all kinds of topics including this one here and a lot more and and you'll be here in him more as we move forward into October and November back on the Thursday slot on AmericaOut Loud pulse and that is fantastic. He adds a unique dimension to these conversations and that's important. We want to cover the whole spectrum of conversations on this broadcast and I think he does brings a lot of wealth of knowledge to that. So anyways, so that's how you find out more just if you put your mouse under authors and hosts, you'll go right there to his profile and check out more about him's please. In addition to that, let me

21:59mention and now I want to tell you that we have launched Project Out Loud and I'm going to have in fact, Dr. Baker, I'm going to be inviting him on on there next month as he gets back into the saddle on all this other stuff. I'm going to have him on and that's going to be video now that's going to be pretty cool because that's on a video and it plays on talk radio as well as audio, but we have a full video and that's Project Out Loud is the name of that show again. If you go up to the, onto the menu, put your mouse under talk shows and podcasts, you'll see go to project.loud, I'm out them out loud, click on that and you'll go there. It's a beautiful setup and there are three major networks were on and they are for the video now, the video podcasts three met Spotify and I love the interface and go from video to audio easily, but Spotify is a big one, but we were invited into iHeart. They just launched a new interface with video and audio. They did not have it before. It's brand new and it's exciting as all and we got an invite about six weeks

23:03ago to become part of their deal. They knew we were doing the video stuff and so we are on there as well, also a new interface from Apple brand new brand new because these cats weren't doing the video production well podcast as well. They would just do an audio and so now Apple has it as well and we are there as well. So Apple iHeart and Spotify, the three big ones, that's where you get project out loud. We did a broadcast on restructure in the water. This is one I want to coach Dr. Bacon to listen to chime into as well. This was really incredible. We had the engineer and the inventor on for this and I was blown away from this. My wife and I and my two college kids, we started using this about a couple of months, about two and a half months ago now, at least two and a half months ago and you just couldn't be without it again. The one we're using at the moment was a handheld device. We wanted to check it out and so we used the handheld device where you pour the water through and it restructures the water in ways I was absolutely shocked, blown away, I can't

24:10even describe to you the sense that this gave us because the taste of the water changed dramatically like crazy dramatically. And on the other side of this thing, it was unbelievable. So it enhances the hydration at the cellular level. This thing does. It supports nutrient absorption. It aids natural detoxification processes and there's a lot of benefits to this thing here as well. Health benefits to it. Joint and cartilage held, skin held a lot of things because we've kind of back to what Dr. Bacon was talking about a moment ago. We've kind of screwed up the water here as well. If you go, there's a site in that post on Project Out Loud. I had the engineer on there. And if you go and you put your zip code or city in whatever, anywhere in the country and go look at the water the way it's, you will be disgusted. Have you ever done that, Dr. Bacon, go and check check the water out? I have not checked our water. I've thought about it many, many times and one of

25:12the things that they check for, of course, is metals and aluminum compound. I can't even tell you, describe to you the shock when you find the arsenic and all of the chemicals and water. And this stuff and it's sick. You talk about getting on a campaign. These are government institutions that are supposed to protect the people. So give your fresh water and I don't care where you live in the country. I'm telling you right now, put your zip code in there, go look it and this is, there's an independent water group up in Washington DC who measures all those who runs that site. And you'll get a sense of what you get a report back of what's in your water and it will, it will, it will leave you speechless and you'll probably never look at water again the same way. I know it really messed my thinking up. I was a little suspect on the water for a while actually, but then I really got more when I seen all this. Anyways, I had the engineer on a Joseph Johnson, brilliant, brilliant guy, what one of these intelligent nerds, super interesting guy. And he speaks at a different level.

26:21You know, some people are born that way. He's one of these brains and it's the way he tackle this whole thing. Anyways, so there are multiple of these water devices. He has created. And so you can check out more if you go to the post, go to project out loud, the show under shows and podcasts in the menu. Then when you go there, just you'll see all the shows below and look for the Joseph Johnson's show number 34 rethinking the water we drink, rethinking the water we drink number 34 Joseph Johnson, incredible conversation, credible product. I was blown away by all means. Anyways, I got to talk to Dr. Baker more about this, restructuring the water thing. I think I'll be ready to poseally after right behind us, geoengineering. And we talked about the gain of function. You know, all these things in my world always come back to the fight of good and evil. And that's really what it is. And that's really the, I don't know, that's the mission here on the platform. He is really

27:23fighting the fight of good and evil. We fight the good fight every day, every hour of the day. But that's really all these all these debates and discussions and problems and arguments. They all fall into that fight of good and evil. And we have to do the good fight friends. We have to help I I fell on neighbor out and the other people, the wealth of knowledge and spread it around. But there's a lot of people out there that are evil back to the cartel that we were talking about the geoengineering cartel. And so a whole lot of those people and all of these worlds here that so yeah, very much so I think I mean, there's an interesting several months ago when there was the world economic forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, the investigative journalist James O'Keefe went there and he infiltrated it. And he went to they were having, you know, a meeting there. This is the world economic forum. Of course, this is the Klaus Schwab's and all of those fairly evil people. I feel comfortable saying welcome. And they had a whole a whole meeting or series of

28:26meetings regarding geoengineering regarding different ways that people could make money by controlling the weather and by deliberately polluting the skies. You can look that up through I think it's on Twitter, but James O'Keefe's if you search James O'Keefe geoengineering Davos or W.E.F you could find it easily. There's no question that it's going on and there's no questioning that this cartel as you call it that's involved in so much of the bad things going on in the world is affiliated with this as well. So it's really just one more one more aspect I couldn't agree with you more in the battle of good versus evil. I don't think there's any way to look at the world now. I've become more of a mannequin over the last six years since COVID started that there are some people that just want to do wicked things and this is one of them in my estimation. Right on it's pretty pretty sick actually. And listen that was the origins of this network in 2016 when it launched 10 years

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32:43Okay we joined your back here at this Malcolm out loud here and welcome back to the broadcast my fellow Americans privilege to be with you always always always a privilege to be with you here. I'm excited to have Dr Clayton Baker where it today's kind of cool because he's been out for a few months. He was the only very personal matter and but it's I feel really cool about it because I've been wanting to get him on and you know I'm what I'm trying to do here's my visual doctor Baker here's what my visual so there's a horse there and I'm here right below you trying to I'm picking your feet up to get you out back on the horse you know that back I'll take all the hope I can get I like that visual I love it I know I love it I love it I that was the visual I went through my mind I shot but there we go Dr. May you pack up on the horse here we swing that leg over right you know that kind of thing yeah yeah I know you've been through a lot and it's privileged to have you back here as always and so all right let's dive in this now here's what I'm I've got to you know a lot more about where I'm going now but but let me just kind of go there I first want to

33:45talk about who's taking action there are some who are thinking about taking action but who's taking action now we're talking about statewide and of course you can bring in the federal little bit after let us know sure there are some questions even like said we have on that people have wondered where Lee's Eldon is and all this but let's get let's put that aside a moment here um sure what I understand right now correct me on this but um Florida Tennessee and I believe Montana's what I see in my research here have passed varying degrees of laws Montana was carrying out an exception for water management but the movement is rapidly expanding they're saying across the country there are others that are really looking at this seriously GOP lawmakers in nearly 20 states have introduced or debated legislation to ban or heavily restrict geoengineering and weather modification activities like cloud seeding so is that what am I speaking correctly the or is that sure sure yeah in general everything you've said is correct so there's three states that

34:47I know of that have definitely passed actual criminal legislation to stop geoengineering within their borders those are Florida Louisiana and Tennessee there are other states numerous other states as many as 32 states and not all of them are red states although the majority of them are but not all of them have have have have ledges have proposed legislation over the last couple of years so during the last legislative session there were I think 32 states that were either passed a law or were had legislation in process to stop geoengineering Montana's prominent Idaho has been prominent Wyoming Arizona came very close to passing it but Katie Hobbes the Democrat governor vetoed it would have been would have passed went through was passed through both houses of the legislature and she vetoed saying it was a conspiracy theory which is just utter an absolute nonsense and utter an absolute just

35:52disgraceful but so yes so there's numerous states that are working towards this I've had a couple of the legislators in South Carolina and I think Montana as well have been on my show over the past months it's a tough thing to to to pass because particularly west of the Mississippi one aspect of geoengineering is really a small percentage of it but it's a it's an important small percentage is old fashioned cloud seating so when you talk about the different types of geoengineering cloud seating is just one of them and it's one that has been done legally and is actually too a limited extent legislated in many states west of the Mississippi for rain basically rain making for crops and snowpack for ski hills and so on and so forth now it's problematic usually the the material or the chemical used for that is silver iodide and silver iodide has some toxicities as well but it's

36:54usually at a small scale and it's something that is accepted in many of these states so one of the one of the processes that one has to do and what you're describing in Montana I believe is related to this is a lot of farmers and a lot of other folks out there I think erroneously but I'll just give my opinion on that are do not want cloud seating to be outlawed because they feel that it helps them get reliable rainfall I don't think that's true I think it's I think it makes the rainfall less predictable and less and obviously less natural but in a lot of cases people don't want the constant chemtrails as they're called you know better clearly spraying at an industrial level usually by military planes but they want to carve out something for the cloud seating and so that's a complication of the matter both are geoengineering geoengineering is kind of catch all terms I described earlier but the probably the most harmful stuff is different from the cloud seating per say

37:58now that said cloud seating is a problem because there is very good circumstantial evidence that cloud seating can very much go awry and can cause disasters you know the the flooding last July fourth weekend in Texas that swept away that camp where those young girls were camping was in my estimation was probably the at least partially the result of the cloud seating done upstream from that we know that what at least one firm was cloud seating up to two or three days prior to that flooding I don't know the cause of the problem in the grand canyon more recently but I'm suspicious about that as well another our flash floods from time to time in Arizona there's no question about that but obviously if you overdo it with cloud seating you can create a tremendous amount of problems so anyway west of the Mississippi the whole go ahead real quickly the camp mystic that you're talking about camp missus intact now I the reports that were out there the back reports

39:02that I heard that there was cloud seating going on the the cause that rain it what do you know about that is there are truths are there's that all made up or one of the organizations that cloud seats very prominently west of the Mississippi admitted publicly that they had been cloud seating two or three days prior to the flooding in the upstream from the watershed that swept away those girls they could have caused that you're saying they could have caused that I don't know for effect but they admitted that they had been cloud seating in the days prior to that flooding and the flooding was really historically large I mean it was it was you know high watermark kind of flooding so there's a danger to this kind of thing when 100 percent yeah you're messing with nature you know what what's the old ad on TV it's not nice to fool with mother nature I mean that's what we're doing all the time with this in many many different ways so the notion that this is harmless is is is is is is is is absurd you know we don't we don't know what the downs pun intended we don't know what the downstream

40:02effects of doing this are always going to be now you mentioned Haiti Hobbes in Arizona let me ask you because when I look at the look in my research and looking at many of the states that are to consider it when I first looked at it it looked to me like a red blue conversation but then which a lot of things are which is silly it's ridiculous that things are that way that which means that these elected leaders are only putting their partisan politics and their ideology ahead of what's really right for people and that's guilty of both the left and the right by the way and it's wrong it's wrong on every level but yet when you look at this list it's not so much that way because others are considering it and I'm seeing both red and blue but like with Katie Hobbes it went through as you say both chambers there but yet she threw her politics into the ring why do things always come down to red and why do you think Dr Baker things always come down to red and blue in our country why why do people sell out well I think I think that what I my feeling is and I hear two compete somewhat competing theories and I think that they have some both have

41:07some validity one of them is that at a very high level higher than the level of these politicians themselves even higher than say the president's level or any national leaders level there are people pulling the strings that really want to give you two options one option is to um follow one say the right wing viewpoint and the others to follow the left wing viewpoint and I think that part of the reason is to have people divided because it's easier to control people when they're divided I think that's really very much true and I think it gives you this pendulum effect you know it's it's I don't think it's a for example this is nothing to do with geoengineering but to me it's not lost in me and this is an an original thought of mine other people have said it how is it that last administration allows millions of people to come into the country completely undocumented many of them violent criminals it's so on and so forth and then the next

42:08one comes in and takes an extremely heavy handed approach at least in the public appearance to fixing that problem and you know in some ways um restricting civil liberties for um citizens right so you've got one person that's sort of opening the floodgates and another one who's restricting civil liberties in closing the floodgates and I think that this is kind of a it's kind of a deliberate process I think the other thing is that I think that um probably people who are you know the lobbyists and the people that pay for the lobbyists and so on um decide I think sometimes hey we're gonna go after um a political party or a political group and get them as a group to follow of what we want them to do and so I think that um that's true in this case I think that there's probably been less in the in the case of geoengineering to date at least there has been less

43:08what's the word kind of ability to um to attract the red politicians against this then there is the blue politicians but that can change I so I think that it's it's partly they decide who they're going to buy out but I think it's partly playing both sides against the middle yeah I think you're right right on um now uh states that are actively advancing or debating bands and depending where you live out there a little bit Iowa in March 26 or certainly this year here overwhelmingly past house file 2640 which explicitly prohibited geoengineering and the intention emission of atmospheric contaminants meant to affect the weather or climate so Iowa is on the move there right yes yes and it's interesting the wording is very important because the intentional um emission is is I think is important because uh one of the confounding factors here with the geoengineering is and I I believe that this is a I think this is a red herring is a lot of people

44:11who I believe are bad actors are saying well it's it's just contaminants in the jet fuel this is patently false because we there's plenty of documented evidence of propeller planes spraying spraying geo you know spraying con uh uh excuse me chemtrails if you want to call them that but spraying this material and of course they don't they don't have jet engines they're propeller blades And because there simply isn't enough articulate matter in any exhaust to cause the kind of coverage and exposure that we see. So it's important to note that there may well be some aspects of jet fuel that need to be cleaned up or what have you. But that's not the principal problem here. The principal problem is deliberate dispersion of pollution of pollutants into the into the into the atmosphere to aggregate the cloud cover and to basically make a lot of these when you have metal in the atmosphere.

45:16It's much easier to manipulate it by means such as electromagnetic frequencies, which is part of the problem as well. Now what I want to do I'm going to go through a few other states to bring you all up to date out there and then Dr. Bacon can comment on some of those. And then I want to get to a couple of questions while we have time. But let me just tell you interestingly you you probably know this. Dr. Baker Alabama lawmakers introduce House Bill 25. This was again in 26 year, a little earlier in the year, aiming to make whether modification techniques like cloud seed in a class B. Mr. Meener carrying finds up to a hundred thousand dollars for that find there. So that was an Alabama Pennsylvania introduced Senate Bill 508 the Clean Air Preservation Act, which seeks to criminalize outdoor geoengineering solar radiation modification and cloud seed an experiment. So that's in Pennsylvania Arizona. We talked about already interesting, but listen to this other active states and listen to this list that they don't marry each other, but here we go Kentucky road, I go, which is about as far left of a progressive state as you could possibly get.

46:28Well, probably I don't know if it's more or less in California, but it's out there. And North Carolina and Texas have all introduced legislation, target an atmospheric testing, whether controls and others that are looking to jump into this is Illinois Mississippi, not Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming, which we spoke about briefly. So there is a movement happening so you've got to feel a little better or a little confident that that the pot is being stirred right now, right? People are getting on to this thing. I think so and it's interesting you mentioned Rhode Island just parenthetically. Rhode Island was actually an early they've never gotten it through unfortunately, but Rhode Island has had legislation or attempted legislation for a number of years that are actually an early adopter of this. I don't know if it's something to do with just the geography of Rhode Island. There's so many people out of you know, Rhode Island sound is sailing all the time and so on that I think they're very aware of it, but that's definitely been the case for a number of for a number of years.

47:34It's not a strictly red blue thing, which is a good thing in my mind, although I do think most of the most of the most of the momentum is on the red side. Now I'll give you an example. One of the problems with the with the with the state legislation incidentally is that the states don't control the airspace and this is something this is a really key point. One of the key points is said earlier about you engineering well, first thing I've said is it's absolutely real number two it's worldwide it's extremely extensive anyone tells you all those are just vapor trails they're they're either lying or they don't absolutely don't know what they're talking about. So it's very real it's worldwide it's it's really pretty nefarious we talked about that, but I think the other considerations is a multitude of different things. There's very little good legislation as to what you can do. To just spray things into the air and a tremendous amount of it is through the federal government through the US military and that's why the state laws are limited. I think they're important. I think they're good, but Malcolm who controls US airspace.

48:47The United States federal government right it's not the state of Florida state of Florida controls I think up to 400 feet you know that's beyond that it's the it's the federal government and you know at least while we have a few Patriot missiles lying around we may not have any in a few days but for the moment we do you know no one else is coming into our airspace without our permission. So anyone who is doing this anyone who is spraying pollutants over your head in the United States is essentially doing so with either the tacit or express consent of the US federal government and that's just that's just a that's just a fact. And so we really need things at the federal level to change anything and there has been some attempts at federal legislation you know it's interesting you're talking about red versus blue Dennis Kucinich who was one of the more left of center congressman actually tried to introduce legislation as far back as early 2000s this has really been going on in in earnest since the late 90s and it's gone up tremendously in the last 10 years.

49:49But it was bad enough in the early 2000s that Kucinich tried to forward legislation to stop the geoengineering sort of chemtrails you want to call it that spring. So there's been on and off attempts by the federal government by assuming by representatives to do this there's currently. And Marjorie Taylor Green put out a bill which got a couple of co sponsors but didn't go very far and now there's representative Greg Stuby from Florida HR 7452 the air quality act. And he's got several co sponsors Jefferson van Drew from New Jersey John Rutherford from Florida Lauren Bobert from Colorado and I believe Timber chat from see from Kentucky Tennessee I think Tennessee so you know there's again that's all red you know all Republicans. We're going to run right out of time hold let me get to a couple of questions for you sure yeah let me get to this one from Maryland Maryland Maryland yeah I have sent numerous emails to the EPA with pitchers and an official environmental complaint about the spring of the skies.

51:05I thought Lee Zeldin was going to do something about these it is so bad that the streaks go on day after day why can this not be stopped by the president is it is killing us and must not go on why is no one listening that's from Maryland. So I the first thing I would say to that listeners I 100% agree with you I 100% share your frustration it is absolutely a travesty that this is going on. What I can say is that early in the second Trump administration Lee Zeldin did make a couple of public statements sort of acknowledging the existence of geoengineering but as far as I can tell since then absolutely nothing has been done at the level of the EPA. I think a little bit more how should I say a little bit more earnestly a little bit more honestly rather F Kennedy the HHS secretary has stated that that this is a real problem he wants to he wants to do it he can to help stop it.

52:05However HHS does not have you know operational control over the military I don't think the EPA does either and I think that one of the real problems is that much of this is deep state run military paramilitary activities there's a great book called chemtrails exposed by Peter Kirby I recommend people read that he goes into exceptional detail about the whole history of this which really starts around the end of world war two. And you'll see that this is running at levels that the EPA may be able to pay lip service but they're not in a position to stop it. I know a lot of people are deeply concerned with this are people on this network and platform who's who write about this and speak about this a fair amount and they're very very passionate about this let me get this question from Nick. He says within the next handful of years we are going to see the amplification of the forms of geoengineering that most people have no idea about and this includes but is not limited to massive strategically placed earthquakes on continents and along oceanic lines to trigger tsunamis this will be on top of the current catastrophic tornado and flood and events we're seeing what is being done about any of this that's what Nick asked.

53:24So the short answer for Nick I in my viewpoint is is not nearly enough very little to nothing I mean the short answer is if there's also this take goes into whole other issue with the issue of technologies that the government multiple governments are thought to possess with harp technology HA. ARP technology ionosphere heaters and so on which is not just spraying this is more electromagnetic frequency technologies that are believed by many to be able to trigger earthquakes and this is something that is top secret this is something that has to do with weaponization of the weather weaponization of the planet again weather is a force multiplier and until this stuff is going to be able to trigger earthquakes. So the question is whether the planet is a force multiplier and until this stuff is blown out into the open and until we step back and say we're at risk of destroying the planet I think that not much if anything is being done right now this is all military and again the last thing I want to stress again to to listeners is that the overwhelming majority of this the most it's not the only it's not the only important one but the most important aspect of this is the military applications of geoengineering.

54:43Okay that is Dr Clayton Baker right there and now he'll be back you'll be catching him I'll say what right there's down now October 1st is the Thursday and he's the Thursday host of America all else he will be back in the saddle as we say on that day October 1st so jot it down I'm thrilled that we got a chance to do this today to get him going get you get your back up there so this is going to be really exciting here. And to see you take off and do all this stuff now this is this has been great conversation Dr Baker really really good we cover some ground for sure. Yes it's delightful to be back with you Malcolm I appreciate your patience and your support and I'd be happy to come back again and hope to be back in October of full force. 100% and I know we were communicating between us and with your wife and all and but you you was a scary chapter but you're back here and we're excited for you you sound great you sound really good so well thank you so again go up to the menu just put your mouse over

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