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welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. I don't think I'm telling you folks anything new
when I tell you that the modeling world is filled with a bunch of seedy, disgusting people.
And it's not just men. You have people like faith kates who knew exactly what Epstein was
and simply didn't care. I mean, after the allegations from Virginia first came out,
faith kates was still advising Jeffrey Epstein on what he should do. How he should move,
who he should talk to, what sort of events he should go to, and the kind of donations that he
should be making to insulate himself from the allegations that are being made. And this comes
on top of what we already knew from 2009. So keep that in mind when faith kates says she has no idea
what Jeffrey Epstein was. Because in my opinion, not only did she know what Jeffrey Epstein was,
she helped enable him. Today we have an article from the Guardian and the headline,
Faith Kates, the woman who introduced models to dear friend Jeffrey Epstein.
This article was authored by Lucy Osborne. A female executive at the top of the modeling industry
had a close friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and introduced them to women on the agency's books
of guardian investigation has found. So not only was she introducing him to women,
she was introducing him to women that were working for her. Women that were part of her agency
and women that she obviously had a responsibility to. But that didn't matter to Faith Kates did it.
As long as her buddy good old Jeffy is having a great time and he's meeting new women,
who cares about all these other girls who were abused, who had their lives ruined. To somebody
like Faith Kates, that doesn't matter. Until last November Faith Kates ran next management modeling
and talent agency, which has represented the likes of Alexa Chung, Mila Jovavic, and Billy
Eilish, a position that she held for decades as founder of the business. She stepped down quietly
just weeks before the first major Epstein files were released, saying she intended to focus on
charity work. Oh, that's always the excuse. Did you see the charity work that I did for so-and-so?
I helped so-and-so over here and that means that I'm a good person, right? No, it doesn't mean
you're a good person. All it means is that you know that that strategy has worked throughout
history and you're going to try and employ it as well. But I think that people are a hip to that
sort of nonsense these days and they know that these kind of rich people are always trying to drape
themselves in armor made out of charitable giving. Links between Kates and the late sex offender have
previously been reported but analysis of documents published by the U.S. Department of Justice
reveals a much deeper relationship than previously known with email showing Kates secretly took
business advice from Epstein and discussed multimillion dollar loans. And if you notice that's
an ongoing theme when it comes to all these people in Jeffrey Epstein, they all wanted something
from them and they were willing to look the other way in order to achieve their goals and that's
why I find it so laughable when they come out after the fact and act like they had no idea
who Epstein was, what he was doing or the fact that he was an absolute sick degenerate. They all
knew they just didn't care. Kates appears to have met Epstein regularly including on one occasion
with the then Prince Andrew at a New York department store in December of 2010. The week of Andrew
Mountbatten Windsors now infamous visit to the city to supposedly call off his friendship with
the financier. Oh yeah, we know that's exactly why he went to New York. Well, you wouldn't fly
across the Atlantic to go and tell some child molester you couldn't be his friend anymore. Come on.
Don't you have any honor? Don't you have any kind of compassion for a guy like Jeffrey Epstein?
Well, that's what Prince Andrew wants us to believe that he flew all the way across the
Atlantic because he no longer wanted to be friends with Jeffrey Epstein but he just decided to
stick around for a few days and sleep on old boys' couch. Kates 68 offered her support and unconditional
friendship after Epstein was first convicted for soliciting a child for prostitution in 2009.
She was still sending friendly emails weeks before he was arrested again in 2019.
More troubling is that across their nearly 40-year relationship it seems Kates connected a
number of her models with Epstein raising serious questions for the woman who has been responsible
for the careers and ultimately the welfare of thousands of young women. There is no evidence to
suggest that Kates was aware of Epstein's offending prior to his 2009 conviction.
Okay, no evidence, no smoking gun, but I don't think it's that big of a leap to think that all
these people that were around him knew what he was doing and you're going to have a real hard time
convincing me otherwise. The revelations prompted next, which until now is not commented on its
founder's relationship with the sex offender, the thoroughly distanced itself from her.
In a statement to the Guardian, a spokesperson said the company was working to end all legal ties
with Kates and that her relationship with Epstein was completely and absolutely unknown to next
management and its top executives. We had no idea. We all have Epstein amnesia. Jeffrey Epstein,
never heard of the guy. It's always the same nonsense, always the same line, always the same
playbook and it's always met with the same response. Oh, well, they didn't know. Come on,
how's anyone supposed to know? Meanwhile, everybody knew, including people working at airports,
people that lived around Jeffrey Epstein and certainly people that were at parties with them.
A spokesperson for Kates said that she never put a model in harm's way
by sending them to an inappropriate go-sees or meetings, adding, Epstein was a master manipulator.
People around him knew only what he wanted them to know. Oh, that's the new narrative. Have you
noticed that everybody's calling him a master manipulator all of a sudden? Let me translate that
for you. Master manipulator means somebody I wanted money from and somebody I got money from
and now that he's dead and that people are asking questions about our relationship,
I'll just say that I got manipulated. He's not alive to argue the point. He's not alive to say
that that's not true. So that's going to be the narrative. And you see that becoming a big
talking point for a lot of these people. Oh, he manipulated me. He was the world's greatest
manipulator or was it that you were just greedy? There are more than 5,000 mentions of Kates in
the files, although some are duplicates, the emails between the two are frequent. The messages
are often effusive in tone with Kates regularly telling Epstein how good of a friend he was,
at one point telling him, I really do love you like a brother. One of the first emails in the
file was sent while Epstein was in prison for soliciting prostitution from a minor. Kates wrote,
I am, and will always be your friend. Unconditionally, will always be there for you. Yeah, can you imagine?
Somebody that gets arrested for what Epstein was arrested for? Somebody that's accused
of what Epstein's accused of. And that's the message you send them? Epstein's interest in
the modeling industry is demonstrated in the discussions between the two. In his diary shows him
scheduled to meet Kates several times at the company's New York office during the 2010s. Kates
began connecting Epstein to next models years earlier, according to interviews. By the 90s,
the industry had developed a practice of introducing models to businessmen,
unconnected to the fashion world. Oh, I wonder why? I'm sure it was for conversation, right?
I'm sure it had nothing to do with a bunch of disgusting degenerate old men,
trying to get their grubby paws on young women. I'm sure that had zero to do with it, huh?
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with peace of mind. Hey, I'm Josh Spiegel, host of the podcast, Lunatic in the Newsroom.
If you enjoy journalism that drifts into mild panic, wild overthinking, and a guaranteed nervous
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the newsroom, listen today. It was at one such dinner organized by Kades in 92 that Stacey
Williams remembered being introduced to Epstein. Williams, then one of next top models,
said that about three months later, she was taken by Kades to a party, hosted by Donald Trump at
the Plaza Hotel, where she met Epstein again. Williams went on to have a relationship with Epstein.
She said it was consensual, but that some of the events that took place within the confines
of the relationship were not. Including when she alleged she was grown by Trump,
and what she believed was part of a twisted game between the two men. The president has denied
the allegations. I mean, at some point we have to say to ourselves, is everybody just lying?
Or is it true that Donald Trump is just a degenerate and considering the body of evidence that we
have, I'm going to go with Donald Trump's degenerate. More than a decade later, Kades allegedly
arranged for another of her top models. Barbara, Stoyanov, to meet Epstein. Stoyanov was already
working for Victoria's Secret as a lingerie model, but her dream was to become a Victoria's Secret
Angel, one of the official faces of the company. Stoyanov told the Guardian that Kades suggested Epstein
could help and that she later met him and next office in New York. He told me to stand up and
hoick my dress up to see my legs. Then he asked me to lift my dress from behind to see how my
butt was, she said. It's like buying a horse. I have zero idea why anybody will let their child
get involved in modeling. It is unbelievably disgusting. The whole industry is just gross.
At the time, she said she thought nothing of the request. It was normal for a lingerie brand
because it was normal for a lingerie brand to want to see a model's body. Years later,
when she saw Epstein news coverage, she felt disgusted. A spokesperson for Kades said the meeting
never happened and added her supposed interview with Epstein in the middle of next glass and closed
offices is not credible on its face. She's not credible but Kades is. Sorry, I don't believe that.
Listen, anybody who was paling around with Epstein for all those years? Anybody that was sending
emails to Epstein like that? I don't believe them. And I believe that they know a lot more than
they're letting on. And they're lucky that I'm not the prosecutor because I charge everybody with
Rico. And then I'd let the chips fall where they may. You know, like they do to the rest of us.
God forbid you get involved in some kind of quote-unquote illegal gambling. Oh, they're going to come
kick in your door. But if you're faith Kades, setting young girls up with Epstein, uh, no big deal.
Come on, there's no evidence for that. Over the next years that followed,
Stoyanov, who was signed to next for about 15 years, said she saw Epstein with Kades,
numerous times, at their offices. In around May of 2004, Kades allegedly sent former
next model, seen a Chech, then 20, to Epstein's New York home, to ask if he would help her travel
to fashion shoots in his private jet. Chech remembers she wrote his address on a yellow post-it
note. How could you send people, young girls, to Jeffrey Epstein? It is just unconscionable.
After Chech arrived, she said that he asked to look at her hands. She recalled that he then said,
ugh, your nails are so dirty. You're not the kind to grow we take on the jet.
She said she left interiors, and it wasn't until years later that she realized the man,
who insulted her, was Epstein. It was like a brick in my stomach, realizing I dodged the bullet,
she said. Sarah Ziff, a former next model, who now runs Model Alliance, which campaigns against
systemic sexual abuse in the fashion industry, wasn't sent to Epstein by Kades. However, she said,
she believed Kades or someone else, at the agency, gave him her home address in 2000 or 2001,
when she was 18 or 19. She had previously been introduced to Epstein by a fellow model,
and recalled him taking an interest in her schooling. Later, she received a letter from him that said,
Sarah, there are great writing courses at the new school, My Tree. Ziff said, she believed Epstein
was offering to pay for her education at this New York school. She didn't take him up on the offer,
later earning degrees from Harvard and Columbia. I know that the model who invited me to meet Epstein
did not have my address, Ziff told the Guardian, I do know that next had that address on file.
None of the models of the Guardian interviewed alleged that they were abused by Epstein.
Too high profile. He knew better, what he was looking to do is bring girls in to the inner circle,
new recruiters, new people to be part of his sexual Ponzi scheme. That's what he was looking for.
Because at this point, remember Epstein was already bringing girls in from Europe.
We're talking about vulnerable girls here, Brazil, Europe, etc.
So that was his MO at that time. An exposed person said at all times conducted its operations
with integrity and with the highest regard for the safety of all of our models.
Emails in the DOJ files suggest that Cates continued to connect models to Epstein during the 2010s,
even after his first prison sentence, and that you would meet women at Epstein's request or
connect them to other agents. In 2011, Epstein email Cates, a numbered list of three women's names
a few hours later, Kate responded, I can get two, that's what you asked for, ask me for,
stand by. I can get two, that's what you asked me for, stand by, two for what, faith Cates?
That same year, Epstein appears to ask his assistant to get names of girls from Cates for a
Gala event dinner. And the email Cates asking if she had any aspiring actresses for a dinner
with a Hollywood director Woody Allen, another fantastic guy, huh? Let me just have relations with
my stepdaughter. In 2017, they discussed a former next model who is now an established internet
personality. Cates described her as stunning, and sent them her bust, height, and weight measurement,
along with what appears to be a number of photographs of her which were redacted in the files.
That same year, they discussed another model who did not realize her name was in the files
until she was contacted by the Guardian. The model who was still represented by next and did not
want to be named said, I felt shocked and grossed out like, why is the biggest predator of our time
typing out my name? What was this for? Imagine being just some random model and somebody hits you
up and they're like, Hey, your name is in those Epstein files. You know that, right? I can imagine
the panic. What do you mean my names in those files? I had nothing to do with Epstein. And then
you find out that he was like creeping on you. Talk about gross. Even as women started to go public
with disturbing allegations against Epstein, Cates continued to offer her support. She appeared to
tell them that women coming forward with allegations about him were doing so only to sell their
stories to the press. Money motivates people she wrote. Later, in response to another abuse allegation
against Epstein, she told them, she should be so lucky, people are nuts. She should be so lucky,
so lucky to be abused. So lucky to have Epstein molest them when they're children or young adults.
Boy, some people have all the luck, huh? Faith Cates.
After extensive coverage of Virginia Roberts allegations in 2011, she advised them to lay very
low and donate the projects that would do good for others. This will make people talk about you
in a positive way she wrote. See what I mean about the armor? Oh, let's just go and donate some
money, and that makes everything better. That same year, Epstein appears to have donated $50,000
to the Ovarian Cancer Research Fund, of which Cates was president and gave Cates a proud
of handbag for her birthday. She emailed them thanking him for the bag and for being my friend.
Signed with her signature line of kisses, the following year he gave her a $12,000 stove for Christmas.
So does anyone really think that Faith Cates cared about these women over her buddy Jeffrey Epstein?
Because I'm not seeing that. It was around the same time that Epstein offer of significant
investments appear to have begun. In July of 2010, he emailed her about buying a $5 million property
together for her and her family. Cates spokesperson insisted that no investments from Epstein
ever materialized, and the Guardian has seen no evidence to suggest she received any loans.
In emails from September, 2010, and across the following months, Cates seemed desperate for
the purchase to go ahead. Are you avoiding me? This is what I didn't want to happen. I need to
talk to you today as I don't want to lose this apartment. It's perfect for me and my family
and my kids are excited. Epstein replied, in Paris, do not tell the broker how high you're willing
to go. It will cost an extra half million if we are not careful. Tyler Reddick here from 2311
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newsroom. Listen today. Kate's wrote, I can't lose this, not for me and my kids.
Three months later she wrote, Jeffrey, please be upfront with me.
I understand that if you can't do this financially at this moment, but please just return my calls.
I won't ever let something like this come between 30 years of friendship.
So it looks like Epstein was dicking her around, right? Yeah, sure. I got you. I'll buy
this apartment for you. Then he goes, sir. Beginning in 2015, Kate's appears to have accepted
guidance from Epstein about the modeling agency. And over the next three years, he and sometimes
as the accountant Richard Khan seemed to have acted as advisors. Emile suggests that Epstein
directed Kate's on how to buy out next then co-owners, the private equity firm Golden Gate Capital.
He offered her a $6 million loan to do so, which he told her must be kept secret.
Epstein wrote, I will lend you only the $6 million offered to buy Golden Gate out for five to
start. My name cannot be involved, of course. Two years later, Epstein continued to act
as an advisor to Kate's behind the scenes on how to make the deal happen.
He appeared to send her a script of what to say to Neil Attenborough, the managing director of
Golden Gate. In another email, Epstein says, let's get rid of Neil. A spokesperson for Golden Gate
said Jeffrey Epstein's identity and advisory role were proactively concealed from the Golden Gate
Capital team throughout the sale process. Well, that all tracks. That was Epstein's MO come in as a
shadow donor, not let anybody know that he was involved, and keep him moving. A spokesperson
for Kate's said none of the loans suggested by Epstein materialized and Epstein never had a
financial interest in next. In the months after Epstein killed himself in prison, allegedly
and in jail, in August of 2019, next bought out Golden Gate as planned. A spokesperson for next
said the final deal happened without cons involvement. Miss Kate's longstanding and highly
personal relationship with Epstein were unknown to next management until recent disclosures
of the Epstein documents. The spokesperson said, her actions were neither authorized by
nor known to next and were at all times her own. The spokesperson added to the extent Miss Kate's
independent actions impacted or involved next clients and employees, we are deeply sorry.
Well, that fixes everything there, sorry folks. I guess all these girls can just, you know,
pick up the pieces and move on and be fortified by the fact that these people are sorry.
Meanwhile, back here in reality, nobody cares about your apologies and nobody cares about your
revisionist history. You all knew what the deal was, you know what Epstein was doing, and you knew
the scope of it. So look, all these modeling agencies that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein,
all these modeling agencies in general, in my opinion, they should all be looked at.
Because the sad truth is Jeffrey Epstein wasn't the first didler, and he won't be the last.
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