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Lynette Hooker's daughter Carly Ailsworth is now on the ground in the Bahamas,

allegedly helping out with the search for her mother. She's been missing for the better part

of almost two weeks and she had choice words telling CBS news that her longtime stepfather

Sudden departure. Of course, that is Brian Hooker that quote unquote shows he's not much

of a man of his word as Brian Hooker doesn't about face and flies back to the United States.

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of True Crime. Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Walton.

What's up, SDS Nation. Welcome to Surviving Survivor. This is the global phenomenon bringing you

the very best guests in all True Crime on the biggest trending criminal cases.

And of course, this is one that has been in the news now for the better part of 13 days.

This Saturday will be two weeks. Lynette Hooker missing since April 4th and the search now

intensifying the investigation of widening and here to help break us down.

Please welcome CBS National Network correspondent based out of Miami and he was on the ground

in the Bahamas, Christie on Benavides who we will call Chris. Otherwise, I will butcher his name.

Chris, welcome to Surviving Survivor. It is great to have you.

Thanks so much, Joel. I'm so happy to be here.

Yeah, we're going to dig right into this next up. We've got Chief Brady. He is a retired police

chief out in Nevada, California, 35 years in law enforcement, nine years with a Berkeley PD.

And as you just heard, a chief in Nevada, California, he is the author of three crime fiction novels.

Oh, what a tangled web hiding in plain sight and greed. Three great titles. And all three of those

books actually follow San Francisco Bay Area SPF SFPD, San Francisco PD homicide inspectors

as main protagonists in the book. Brian, tell us a little bit about the books real quick. How do you

go from chief to author? Brian, can you hear us? Oh, you may have lost audio. I'll have the

COE fix that up next up, though, on the best guest list, the man who has got the words of wisdom.

He has a retired homicide detective out of Columbus, Ohio, looking dapper, clean shaven,

fresh haircut, Jay Fulton. Welcome to the show as well. Chris, let me start with you. Obviously,

you were in the Bahamas. How long were you there? What was it like being on the ground for you?

On such a big case. Sure. Well, look, we got there Tuesday of last last week. I just got back

last night as we got news that Brian Hooker had also returned to the states just hours after he

told us that he that his first goal, his mission was to go back out there and search for his wife,

Lynette. We got there on two stages because we got a sense that the case was developing a lot

faster than how we would cover it typically in South Florida. And so we decided to head out there.

We had gotten particularly a tip from members of Brian's family, of where he was staying,

and where he was at. In fact, on Monday, our CBS news producer was able to track him down to a

restaurant and just had some questions for him. But he chose not to answer any questions at that

time as the search was ongoing for Lynette. And it's impressive, Chris, because you guys also,

it's telling, but also impressive. CBS News got their hands on quite a few personal text messages.

And I believe some calls as well. That was great reporting, but it also goes to show that I think

Brian Hooker's friends and family themselves, and we'll see this in a minute, our little skeptical of

him. Is that something that you found in your reporting? I think family members and friends and

people who are close to the couple certainly are skeptical, but we should note that there is no

evidence of any wrongdoing in addition to that. Bahamian officials after detaining him for five days

said that they had no evidence, no physical evidence that there was a crime that was committed,

according to his attorney. So at this point, family members have concerns. It certainly seems like

they had a tumultuous relationship to say the least. But ultimately, if there's no evidence

that a crime was committed, there's no reason to. There are still a lot of questions. But without

any evidence, I think it's just that's where it stands. 100% and like a good reporter, Chris

letting us know this guy has not been charged. There's a ton of smoke around him in terms of

suspicion, but he was released by the free port Bahamas police. So he is a free man and he decided

although he said he was sticking around to search for her that he was going to go back not to be

with his allegedly ailing mother. Brian, can you hear me now? Yeah, I lost you for a minute.

Yeah, it's glitch in the system here. It was like the old Verizon. Can you hear me now? So

Brian, you and I talked earlier today. You've seen pretty much everything in your 35 year plus

career and you and I were talking about obviously having to rule out the husband. What's your take

on this from sort of a 30,000 foot bird's eye view overall? Well, I think jail agree that when

the wife disappears, the first person you look at is the husband. And then you look for follow the

money. If there's if there's finances insurance any any motive to kill somebody over the dollars.

In this case, it's it's at sea, which you eliminate witnesses and physical evidence is going to be

tough to come by. So this makes that was more difficult. Yeah, 100%. Jay Fulton, you heard the chief say

of first person you usually look at is a husband. I think everyone's looking at the husband. Chris

obviously tempering expectations because guy hasn't been charged. So I mean, in your opinion, Jay,

what should happen now or did this guy get away with potentially the quote unquote perfect murder?

Potentially that that may be the case. First thing we can do is recover a victim,

which I understand hasn't happened yet. And there would be some evidence there.

Hopefully, if it's recovered in a timely fashion, if the victim recovered in a timely fashion,

if indeed she has a victim and still missing, successfully prosecuted one homicide case in 18

years in homicide that didn't involve the recovery of a body. It consists of a lot of other

physical evidence, but absence of a body. But we did have a successful prosecution. Absent

that other physical evidence, which happened in an apartment on the west side of Columbus has

opposed to the Caribbean ocean, Caribbean sea. Yeah, I mean, this is daunting for law enforcement,

certainly. Yeah, I'll cheat back to you. And then I'll get back to Chris here. And by the way,

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you get an added bonus with Chris here. And he was on the ground in the Bahamas and he interviewed

correct me if I'm wrong. You interviewed Brian Hooker, right? Right. We were actually his first

interview post being released just hours after being released. We sat down with Brian. We tried

to get into the specifics of the case. We sat down with him next to his attorney. The attorney

had pre-arranged interviews with the three networks. And we were first. And we had been given

some time, but we had expected more time overall, right? We, the attorney cut the interview short

at a certain point. So we weren't able to ask him about the specifics of the case. There are

certain things that he wasn't able to talk about. I think importantly, we asked him if he believed

that Lynette was still alive. We asked him, which is correct me if I'm wrong. I think he said yes

to that, right? That he thought she was still out there. Yes, that he says that he believes that

she's still out there and that he'd like to continue searching for her, that he wants to go speak

to a Hope Town Fire and Rescue. Hope Town Fire and Rescue is a volunteer force. So there are limited

resources at play, which is also why the Coast Guard has gotten involved. According to sources

familiar with the matter, we know that the Coast Guard is on the ground. Why is the Coast Guard

involved? Well, this is a US-based ship with a sailboat. And so they have some jurisdiction there.

So they're there. And I should note that I've spoken to sources within Brian's family who do tell

me that his mother is in fact sick. She is ailing, but this is not a new development. So in other words,

she's been sick for some time, but she is ill and she is sick. So

my understanding is if he is going to visit her, she lives out in California and that's where

he should be. That's also where his sister, who was there with him in the Bahamas, that that's

where she's from. He's got a lot of family there. So that's where we would expect them to be if

he is telling the truth. And the chief is out in California. So that's great information.

Apparently he went into Atlanta and I guess is California bound. I want to come back to you

just to ask your impressions of his demeanor. He's also a big dude, but let me first,

there's a question for you here from Janet True. Chris, is it true? It came up yesterday that the

water depth in that area is only about, you know, between four and seven feet here. It says six

and seven feet, but is it is it fairly shallow water? Do we know that? This would be considered

shallow water. There's also a lot of land masses around. You've got a lot of sand bars. So that's

why speaking to a lot of the locals there, it was bewildering to them that a body would not have

been recovered by now. The only explanation would be if a current took her out to open ocean,

which you know, you've got shark infested waters out there. But it would be something that according

to people who are familiar with the area would be difficult to have happen if that makes sense.

You know, it's shallow water. You've got land masses all over the place. In addition to that,

you've got a number of voters all around that are docked there because you've got other people

who also live this lifestyle. So yeah, I mean, you can see here in the map if you've got that big

land mass right there, lovers, coars, and then on the other side, I don't know if we can zoom

out a little more, but it's a lot of folks that I've spoken to who are familiar with boating in the

area and sailing in the area, you know, they'll tell you it's very possible to drown in this area.

And the depth as far as the question, it goes from four feet to 10 feet at high tide.

But when someone drowns, it is very atypical that that individual would not be found. Again,

that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be the case that perhaps a strong current could have had

some sort of role here, but it does race questions among people who are familiar with being in the area.

Yeah, very insightful. Chief to you, we're looking at this map and since we have it up here,

you can see where the yacht is docked and that's where Brian and Lynette leave after drinks.

When they topple over, it's literally almost adjacent to the shore there, but for whatever reason,

he decides to head the other direction to Marsh Harbor, which is what took him, according to him,

like eight, nine hours. How curious if at all is it to you that instead of just basically

paddling back to the shore, which is right next to him, he goes all the way across this distance.

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in the Bay Area. And currents are a big issue. And when you have landmasses and sand bars

and a variety of other land obstructions, you can get some hellacious currents through there.

Without knowing the tides, when the tide was in or when the tide was out,

if it was an ev-tide or an outgoing tide, and somebody was in the water, they easily, as Chris said,

they could have been taken out to open ocean. And I don't know, the map isn't detailed enough.

I'm assuming their sailboat was at a mooring ball, or could have been anchored outright,

but I'm going to guess a mooring ball if it was a popular destination.

Chris, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but Chris, what do we know about where?

And by the way, the boat is called, I believe, the soulmate, but do we know where it was docked,

Chris?

Understanding is Ants Pat's Bay right there. That's where it was docked. I think,

I mean, he said in messages that it's in a mooring ball. But I'm not too familiar with sailing,

so I'll have to plead ignorance on what we do between that. And that means it's just out,

it's not on a dock, right, that it should sink her down.

Yeah, on what you'll do as you approach the area, you'll get on the radio,

and you'll ask if there's space available at a birth. And normally,

they'll say no, or unless you've reserved far in advance. So then you'll ask for a mooring ball.

They'll tell you mooring ball numbers such and such is available. You give them your credit card

number, you sail over to that mooring ball, and it's like a movie with a number on it,

which will tell you which one you take your bowline, and you hook onto it, and it's on a big

cement block in the bottom of the channel. So your boat then is anchored in essence on that mooring

ball, even though you haven't dropped an anchor, you're hooked on. So that's the case, which I'm

guessing it was, that if he said he's on a mooring ball, unless the current pull him out,

since he didn't have the motor to operate, or her, if in fact, she was in the water at that time.

And that's certainly potential. But looking at the map, it's certainly curious why you would

make every effort to paddle back to the boat where you have your radio, and you're able to

communicate with the Coast Guard or the people on land. And I think you have the map that Brian

had shared with authorities, and that map is from a GPS system that voters use, and it has the

depth. Right. I don't know if we're able to zoom in, but I mean, that area is quite shallow.

And Brian Hooker is a tall man. He's a former marine. He's a big guy. So a lot of people have

wondered why didn't he jump in? What actions could he have taken? I mean, at the same time,

he says that it was, I think, CBS News did a forecast analysis of what it was like,

what conditions were like at the time? And you had two to three feet waves, if I'm not mistaken,

I have to take, I can double check in just a minute. But it was two to three feet waves. And it was,

there was bad weather out at the time. I mean, it was not not ideal boating conditions. But I think

the analysis that that we've seen is that those harsh boating conditions would be more prevalent

outside of this area, where you have all these land masses and all of these sandbars as well.

It's impossible to know what happened. The only person who knows is Brian Hooker, and he's not

he's not sharing his version of events at this moment. But he did give a really detailed account

on a phone call with friends. It was nearly 40-minute phone call, where he went step-by-step

explaining what they did that day and how it all happened. I know that inside of the dinghy,

the eight-foot dinghy, hard-bottom dinghy that they were on, he did have life jackets underneath.

He says in that phone call. So I've had people who are close with him ask me, well, why didn't he

throw those life jackets out? Why didn't he throw? There's another flotation device. What he's

sitting on is bigger than the flotation device that he had initially thrown out. And people are

sort of second-guessing, well, why didn't he throw that out there to her? Ultimately, like I said,

we don't know what went on that night. All we know is Brian's version of events. And I mean,

to be fair, we don't know how we would react in a scenario such as the one that he describes.

Very valid point. Jay Fulton, I want to get back to you. One thing I've learned is law enforcement,

retired law enforcement. They live good lives. They drive Ferraris, they're boaters,

all these guys that I talk to. But number two, this story that Lynette Hooker went overboard

is coming directly from Brian. He's the only one that we're really hearing this from. From your

perspective, I mean, you're a homicide detective, which are the most serious of investigators.

With what grain of salt do you take his story in terms of your investigation?

Yeah, we have to take over the huge grain of salt. We've got one version and it's the only

version you're ever going to get. So the only way to just prove this is going to be physical evidence.

My understanding in some of the reporting is that he indicated he fired a flare gun or

some type of alerting device that he had stored on the dinghy. My question would be, if these

people are committed to this life of the sea, and I know people that have, and my commitment's been

a canoe up on Lake Erie, so I have a hard time understanding this. But if there is rough weather,

the first question is why are these seapete-faring people not protecting themselves with the onboard

flotation devices? These are the things that make me skeptical of this initial statement. The other

thing is, as Chris pointed out, he gives this 40-minute statement to friends. In my experience,

when that statement is, it's like, that's your rehearsal. If you're going to, as a homicide

detective, somebody gives a 40-minute statement to friends, they're trying out the story. See if

the people that care about me buy this, what I'm selling, and then I'll have an attorney to take

care of the officers. But this is what I'm going to try out on, because I've got to come back to a

life. This is going to be a cloud, regardless of the result. This is going to be a cloud over

this gentleman for the remainder of his days. So I'm going to try this story out on people that

are already in my circle or people that I consider friends to see how this sells to people close

to me before I try this story on the general public. And that it came out through the news reporting

is probably not something that he imagined these people close to him would do. So I don't think he

wanted that information necessarily out there. But yeah, here we are.

Jay, you don't travel around Ohio in a helicopter, do you, personal helicopter now?

I haven't rode a helicopter since my days in the military, so

those days are behind me. For all these boats helicopters, but leave from Tennessee here,

right back to you, Jay, and then chief, I'll let you jump in. Do you think Brian suddenly leaving

could possibly have been motivated as we know, cadaver dogs were unleashed yesterday to look

for Lynette? You think, I mean, you think there was a motive behind him so abruptly leaving in a

moment. I'm going to play a news story from Chris himself while he was in the Bahamas. And we

could dig into a little bit of Brian Hooker's personality. But what do you think was the motive

for him to get out of Dodge so fast? I mean, he had a taste of Bahamian justice for 36 hours and

40 hours. Their ability to hold him and which they did, in my understanding is, of course,

he had representations. There probably wasn't a lot of question at that point. It's 48 hours for

these investigators to go out and try and gather up what they can. But regardless of any value made,

the minute you get out of custody, the first, the very first thing you're going to do

is get out of the Bahamas. Nothing good is going to happen to you there. And distance is your

friend, whether it's just suspicion or it's actual guilt that you're feeling, you've got to get

away from that. And distance, it doesn't matter whether you're in the Bahamas and you fly

United States or you're in Ohio and you drive to Florida, which you unass the area

as a person of interest. And distance gives you some coverage, at least in your own mind or in

your own thought process, the distance from the bad thing that happened provides you some protection.

And I believe that's how offenders often think. By the way, the chief was also chief of security

for NBC. It's small world got a CBS correspondent. I work for MSNBC. So the guy has done it all. But

chief, you wanted to jump in, please do. The picture you had up a minute ago of the two of them on

the dinghy. Yeah. And from a sailing perspective, no life jackets, that's the first thing that,

on our boats, the minute you set foot on the boat, you were a life jacket. And I don't hear how

experienced you were. It didn't matter because the saying is you have two hands, one hand for the

boat, one hand for you. And you can be in the water in a heartbeat. It can happen so fast.

Secondly, if it was three foot seas and 20 knot winds, why would she sit up on the edge of the

boat and not be down? You want to get away from the danger. The danger is the seas.

And in a little eight and a half foot dinghy, it's going to bounce around like a cork.

And then lastly, if you look at the back where the motor is, that's the pierced to me to be an

electric motor. And there's a red disc toward the front. And I'd like to know what the battery

life was on that motor. I'd like to know how much juice it had. There should be a lanyard

from that red disc to one of their wrists to see to it. If somebody goes overboard, it shuts the

engine off. Neither one of them are hooked up. Now, my question would also achieve just

for clarification. This is sort of a dated photo. This is not from the day of just so you know,

okay. Well, I don't think they probably had the same thing. Yeah, yeah. And she apparently went

overboard with originally it was the key. But then when he gave the version of events, it was a

spare key. And I'll get to Chris on that in a second. But go ahead. Well, that brings up two

things. One, if she had this quote spare key, she shouldn't have the lanyard because you've now

sent the only way to get the motor running overboard. The theory behind the lanyard is the operator

of the boat has the thing attached to their wrist. So should they go overboard, it shuts the

vessel down so they can swim back to it and recover. So it would make no sense to have the passenger

attached to the lanyard. It should be attached to the board operator. So again, I wasn't there.

I can't speak to it. But those things kind of jump out at me that that part doesn't make sense.

Yeah, for sure. Ms. Colleen here with a super chap, Brian told daughters, his sister and

brother-in-law were going to the Bahamas. He said he would stay with them a couple nights,

but he flew home. Sick mother would be his sister's mother. Also, thank you for the clarification.

Chris, as far as we know, because again, this story is coming from the mouth of Brian Hooker.

Where are you ever able to track down any sort of eyewitnesses, either people who saw them in the

restaurant, the state of intoxication, anything along those lines or what they were doing leading

up to this? We spoke to some folks that knew the couple quite well. We spoke to one man, the manager

of a restaurant called Snappers, and they were regulars there. And he said that they would go in

there. They would drink and then they would get on the dinghy and sort of just island hop or just

go from Marsh Harbor to Hopetown. And that's something that they would do. And there was

there's Tahiti Beach, which is on just I think not too far from Hopetown, but it's on the same

island. And so they would go from the beach where sometimes there would be some boat parties out

there. And then from there, they would go to the bar at the Abaco Inn, which is located in Hope

and from there, they would go back to Snappers. So it was within their routine to be in that area.

And this individual that I spoke to did say that they would drink and then they would test the

waters in a sense where, you know, he would say, I wouldn't be out there with that dinghy the way

that conditions were that night. And that's, you know, according to the manager of Snappers,

who has known the couple for some time. I did find, by the way, that analysis that we did,

the weather analysis. And so from what we found, it looks like it was ranging two to four feet

that evening in the area as far as waves. And then I have, let's see, winds were strong

easterly to east north easterly sustained around 15 to 25 knots with gusts sometimes exceeding

four miles per hour, making open water sailing difficult. But again, this would be out in open

waters. And then there's something else here that I wanted to read. Yeah, well, that's why you're

looking at that real quick. Chief, what do you make of it? Because if the winds are easterly,

he's paddling in a westward direction there, right? So he's paddling against the current, which

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Yeah, I mean, the map's pretty obvious that that's the long way around.

But again, the eight-foot dinghy and it's it's you know,

originally inflatable. It's in the whole purposes probably only weighs a hundred and

2530 pounds and probably that's capacity of four maximum two of them being very small. But the

the thing like I said, it would bounce around like a cork and to be out in you know,

four-foot seas and 20 knot winds, that to me is dangerous in and of itself. That's one of those

things where you know, I leave the dinghy tied up and sit on the beach till things calm down a

little bit. You didn't mention the drinking. You know, after I talked to you today, I went online

and looked at a number of things. And there was a podcaster who had done her due diligence and

gone down to the abaco inn, I guess. And most of bribed the bartender because you managed to come

up with the sales slip for for light bickardies and soda between six and nine o'clock. So to each

we're going to we're going to play that. You know, as a matter of fact, Brian, let me hop in and

let me just play that for us right now. This is Ashley Banfield who's in the Bahamas,

pretty well-known true crime podcaster. Here we go. We play that and then after that, we're going to

play. Is somebody you know, I'll take back she bribed the bartender. No, I'll fly with me.

No, here we go. Come this way and this is where he would have come and ordered the cocktails

at the bar. Again, just two rum and sodas, a party light and soda and then a second round,

one at about four o'clock and another one around seven seven thirty-ish somewhere around there

because they finished up and left and he apologized. He came up wearing just his bathing suit and

bear a chest and said, oh, I'm sorry because I know it's getting close to dinner hour. So they were

clearly it would seem on just some day excursioning in the bathing suits enjoying

Bahamas. So there you go. This is where they would have ordered or he would have ordered

the rum and sodas to take back to the take back to the pool area back there. See? Yeah. So look

at how calm and lovely behind me again. Super nice. Perfect. Ancoring. Perfect. You know, when you're

in in a dinghy, that's not rough, but we're going to go out and you're going to see. So I'm now

standing up at the abaco in and the royal Bahamian police as well as the defense force about to

hear. And it appears that they are hooking up with the American guys that we've been seeing here.

They've had their canines and they've been doing their operations and their

and that's where it cuts off there and I'll play without sound. But Jay Fulton, let me come to you.

So you hear and to Chief Brady's credit for doing his research, two rounds of rum and sodas,

at least at this point in the night, we don't know what they had before. You know, water and alcohol

actually often goes together, but it is obviously very dangerous. Let's start there. What do you

make of the two rounds of rum and sodas? Well, that doesn't seem like an excessive amount

based on my personal and professional experience. Over two or three hours of a period to be

enjoying the Bahamian sun. But I don't know that this was their only stop. There has been a history

of there has been reported on other sources, a history of alcohol consumption by by both parties

here. Once again, I have no facts to base that on other than what has been reported by family

members, I believe. But that doesn't seem like an excessive amount of alcohol. But then once again,

you're looking at weather now and they're talking about at this time they left,

possibly 40 mile an hour winds and two to four foot seas. And that's a game changer there.

That looks like glass that you could sail right across or go right across. And we all know

having been to the ocean, you know, that can change that changes in a moment. So the boat safety

issues, lack of vests, probably the consumption of any alcohol wire or the captain of the boat.

These are probably things that could lead to accidents. But I think the circumstances here

don't point necessarily toward an accident because in an accident, if you were able to tell them,

this is where she went over. Even if the victim had drowned, a recovery would have been likely

by this point in that enclosed area, that kind of shoulder type, lots of small land masses around.

She was reported to be a strong swimmer. It just points to there's so many hours unaccounted

for between the missing time and the time he reports that that whole traveling across the bay.

We don't know if we're getting accurate information has to wear. She actually went into the water.

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Cheap back to you, you're familiar with maybe not the Hamean water, but water, which is much

rougher off the coast of San Francisco. What do you make of the fact that I guess when

Ashley did the reporting there, these two would appear to be law enforcement vessels out there.

They said that they were literally running out of places to search and eventually they

would halt any kind of recovery effort. But do they have to keep looking? How do you keep looking?

And next up, we'll play Chris's news story. A couple of things. You're going to keep looking

as long as it's feasible. And I don't know what the rules are down there. How long they go from

searching to recovery rescue and get retitling it. And Chris, I don't know on your report,

you got on the weather. Did it give the water temperature? I'd be curious. I have gone diving

down to the Virgin Islands in the waters like 80, 81 degrees. Yes. So it says temperature

stayed a mile between 69 to 72 degrees. Not bad. Yeah, not bad. The one thing I'll note too is that

Brian does claim in that phone call, that 40-minute phone call with a friend, that they were at

Tahiti Beach earlier in the day and they had been drinking throughout the day before they got

to the avocado in. Yeah, that's according to his version of events. I, you know, that's what he says.

So that might have also. So Chris, by the way, one, I mean, I know you tried to ask him,

what could you tell us what happened? The lawyer jumped in there and not allow you to answer that.

And we're going to play your story in a second. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think at that point,

we were about to ask him about an incident which we obtained some text messages from,

I think it's 2024. I have to look in the notes here of their split back in 2024. And it was

Lynette sending messages to a friend. Yeah. And it said, you know, it was too much closeness. We

decided to call it quits. We were married 21 years or marriage lasted six weeks cruising.

It was real bad. I can't be out there with him. The messages that we had obtained. Yeah,

in January of 2024, by February, they had been back together according to this friend. So,

you know, we wanted to get into that into their relationship and that's when things stopped.

And I didn't even really get my question out. I said, you know, there was an incident. And at that

point, the lawyer wanted to stop the interview. But we really just wanted to get at least a question

about whether or not he believed that Lynette was still alive, which he said he has to. So,

at least we were able to get that in. We also, we asked her or we asked him about their relationship

at sea. And he said something along the lines of that they were co-captains. So, that was the way

that we were at least able to learn a little bit more about their relationship during that time.

But it was, I think from the lawyer's perspective, I think, from my conversations with the attorney,

it's a lot of people hadn't heard directly from Brian that he wanted to find his wife. And I think

that obviously that's the message that they wanted to get out. But anything further than that

was difficult to ask about. By the way, Chris, it doesn't change whether you're in real news,

quote unquote, or the world of podcasting. I've got the COE, the chief of everything, my wife,

who is screaming for me to play the package that is Chris's news stories. I'm going to play it

right now. This is a little dated, but this is Chris on the ground in the Bahamas. He's looking for

that. I'm going to need somebody with more authority to tell me to stop. Brian Hooker says he

wants to return to the water to search for his wife, Lynette, who disappeared the night of April

4. Brian says the 55 year old fell off their dinghy and rough water while they were sealing in

the Bahamas. You believe that Lynette's still alive? I do. I believe I've been told that people have

lasted in the Bahamas after falling overboard for days and even weeks. There are so many islands.

Of course, you think about alternatives to that, but I'm not really capable of just turning away

from this. Brian was arrested last week, but released Monday night without charges. Police say they

are still investigating the incident. And search and rescue teams now consider this a recovery

mission. The husband and wife have been boating together for more than a decade and documenting

their adventures on social media. Lynette's family set the couple's relationship wasn't always

as happy as it looked online. Messages from 2024, obtained exclusively by CBS News,

revealed Lynette was anxious about their relationship at sea, saying it was real bad. I can't

be out there with him. But Brian told us the two made a great team. What was it like to sail

together? Fantastic. We're more like co captains.

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the prosecutor's office. His attorney says that they simply have no physical evidence of a crime.

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I mean, you got to see Brian Hooker up close, stature-wise. He looks like a tall dude, like six,

three or so and much taller than I expected. What was he like in terms of personality when you met him?

Yeah, at least six foot three. I mean, look, he was polite. He was kind in his interview. If you

want to word it that way. It's tough to understand what a person is really like from a short conversation.

The entire time he was just very polite and that's the only way that I can really describe it.

I think that it's I had had a conversation with him tonight prior, which we had kept off the record

and we, you know, was an off-the-record conversation because I saw him in the lobby and we had already

with his attorney had lined up the pre-arranged interview. So we spoke for a bit about that.

And even in that conversation, his demeanor was just very, I don't know if I want to word it in,

I don't know if submissive is the right word, but it was very much yes sir, no sir, if that

makes sense. I don't know. I even had some people messaging me that after the interview, after

watching the interview, they truly came around to, you know, well, let's see what's really going

on. People who prior to seeing the interview perhaps had already come to a certain conclusion

after seeing the interview said, well, you know, what really happened out there? It seems like

he really cares for his wife. Having said all that, I think a lot of goodwill was lost the moment

that he left the Bahamas hours after saying that he was getting ready to go back to Hoke Town and

search for her. Yeah, I mean, did you get the sense when he was saying I'm going to stay in search?

I mean, it seems sincere, but it was literally not a matter of days, it was a matter of hours before

he kind of did a 180 after he did the today show. I think it was yesterday and he's on a on a plane.

Did you get the sense that he was genuine about wanting to stick around?

He appeared to be genuine about it. He really appeared that he was, that he was being honest,

but at the end of the day, I think, you know, your actions are much louder than your words.

And I think that that's why a lot of folks looked at that and had had a change of heart after he

had these interviews that he did with CBS today and GMA. Yeah. From Thomas Stark here,

thank you for the super chat. The dingy they were on had two life jackets. Why wouldn't you

throw one to Lynette and put one on and go after her? He's a Marine and season sail.

Maybe the reason he was yes sir and you too is because he's a Marine, but if you want to comment

on that chief, but also do you have any questions for Chris about drawing Hooker that you would want to know?

No, I saw I saw the interview and you know it was a good interview as much as you could get

given the time that you had. Another thing to kind of jump out at me was that they said or he said

I believe this happened at 730. They had left the bar at 730 and cut back into dingy to head back to

the boat. So I looked up Sunset and in Bahamas is 732. So you've got probably at sunset about 30

minutes of dusk where you can see if somebody goes over at 730 or 735, you should be able to see him

in the water at least for a half hour. And that that's why I can't speak to was it exactly that much

time where she went over, but there would have been some light. Secondly, I thought about this

when I saw videos that they had posted. They were very cavalier in the way they sailed and I don't

want to criticize another sailor, but there was footage of her going on the four-dick of the boat

all the way up to the bow. Well, the boat was under full sail to adjust something with no life jacket.

She wasn't tied on. If you're going to do that, they have what's called a jack line that runs

the length of the boat and you clip into that onto your life jacket. So you can't drown. You can't

toss over board and not be found. So they did none of those things, which kind of shocked me,

especially on open ocean sailing. And then the last thing, when I saw that message that she had

sent to her friend, my first reaction was wow, that's pretty damning. Then the more I read it,

without trying to be too much of a devil's advocate, it was really more pointed toward being

together on the boat. Not necessarily if the marriage was bad. And having been on a boat for two

weeks, where you're living in each other's pockets. And I can see being upset with somebody else

on the boat at the end of six-week period of time. That's a long time to be living in close

confines. And I don't know again, the boat's been reported at 55 feet, 46 feet. I'm not sure which

the accurate, but either one, that's a good size sailboat, but at the same time, you've probably got

a 12 foot 14 foot beam. So you're living in the vessel, the living co-quarters, that's 12 feet wide

and maybe 20 feet long. That's not a lot of space to have individual time for yourself.

Yeah, I will say just to, there are allegations that his stepdaughter Carly has made about what

exactly happened while they were out at sea, something that CBS News has not been able to

accurately report, which is why I will not say it, but if you look it up, she's made allegations.

And I think when you read, and you line it up, what Carly has said, and you line it up with these

text messages, and she said, it was real bad, and I can't be out there with him. I think that

races a lot of red flags, because I think it is true. It was too much closeness, and we decided to

call it quits. I think anybody who's out, even I used to live in New York City, even in a small

apartment for a long time during the pandemic is a lot. So I don't know. I think that the message,

it was real bad, I can't be out there with him, paired with some of the allegations that,

according to CBS standards are unsubstantiated, it's not, it races a lot of red flags.

Chief, this is on the record for you. I do not have a boat, but the COE, the chief of everything,

I could live on a paddle board with her for eternity, chief. Just on a single paddle board,

we would never fight. We would never get into an argument. Two questions.

Did Chrissy Tears from Brian Hooker, and can't they trace her steps from the Apple Watch? So

big part of this, and I got an interesting email that I'm going to share it in a little bit. But

the Apple Watch Chris was found on the beach from what we understand, not in the water. Any tears,

let's start there. Yeah, he did cry. He cried off camera once the camera was on because his

attorney was next to him. When she would see him tear up, she would stop him. He was crying off

camera. I know he did cry in the other interviews because they didn't have the attorney right next

to him. I think if you, there is a clip out there of when the attorney stops the interview.

And so it's, it got a little, a little hectic, I would say, on camera. So I think we were first,

and I think they decided that for the other interviews, they wouldn't have the attorney right next

to him. Because I think it got a little chaotic as she got up and was trying to, you know, get him

up. I don't know whether that's necessarily what they were going for. But I noticed that in the

other interviews, they chose to do them without her next to him. So he did seem to be genuinely

upset about, about what happened. And there were tears. I, I know in the interview that we did,

there, there were few tears. But that's because his attorney was right next to him. I would stop him

from, from sobbing. But if you, I think if you see, I don't know if it was with the today show,

I think it was, it was the NBC interview. He does cry to what I saw. Yeah. Um,

Jay Fulton, you're a seasoned as they get as a homicide detective and sharp as a tack.

Uh, apparently this Apple watch is found on the beach. Let me just go. So I got an email,

which I get a lot of these days. This came from, uh, all I can say is Italy,

lest you think we are not a global phenomenon. Uh, this person writes, I believe that tech,

well, she did not want to name use. I believe that tech will provide, provide clues yet again.

And in this case, the watches, uh, unless her watch was on the charger, he took, took it off for

period, uh, for those of us that are committed to our personal tracking devices, they are never

off our body unless you are charging them and they do not fall off. Um, and then she goes on,

a few paragraphs down, uh, Jay Fulton, I noticed on video that he also wears a tracking watch.

I believe it's a Google watch or a Garmin watch. He's wearing it in all their social posts.

Curiously, it is missing during his media stint after being released. And that is true.

When you look at his wrist in the later video, recent video, he's got a tan mark. Um,

how important a question is that Jay Fulton to ask him, where is your watch? I don't know.

Maybe police took it already, but if they didn't, how important is it to find his watch?

That would be my first thought that any electronics be it on the boat or on their

persons or, uh, this would have been, uh, one of the first things that the Bahamian authorities

would have seized, uh, obviously that, uh, information doesn't come back to you.

The simultaneous to you season it. There's that process to go through.

Um, some of these things dictate different activity. We've sold homicides based on

activity on a watch at a time where, uh, a suspect told us there wasn't going to be activity.

So there are, there are things to be gleaned from the electronics.

Um, and I think that that those things take longer than 48 hours in my experience.

Um, the, the, the, the subpoenas and or search warrants required to get that information

sometimes take, uh, weeks or more. So this will be information that will be coming forth coming

to the Bahamian authorities. Um, and, you know, one, one of the things about him getting out

there, he's got a story out. He was able to put his story out, uh, through the media,

and he'll never have to answer another question by, by evidently Bahamian law and

United States of America law. He never has to answer another question now

from any law enforcement agency. So he's got his story out.

Well, boring, boring, boring, any new evidence, right, Jay? I mean, if something comes up,

he doesn't have to talk from this point forward. I mean, ever again. I mean, even if there's

new evidence, he will refer you to his attorney. Yeah. And he got a story out and he got on a plane

and got out about the Bahamas and, um, it's in the rear view. And I would like to point out

that I think the chief can say the same thing. People get emotional. We're not, I'm not,

even this thing might, might have been a, a dust up just like the weather. I mean,

you know, they've had a few drinks. They're not getting along on the boat.

Could have been a gut reaction. An instantaneous thing and off she goes and let's, you know,

and that would make you sad too if you had participated in that. That would, that, that,

that would make you tear up just along with the fact that she went missing. Either one of those

things would, would cause an emotional response from somebody that's not a sociopath. And so

there's all kinds of, uh, explanation for one's emotions. And, and, uh, it was probably sound like

maybe, uh, got emotional oftentimes with, with this couple. And, um, so there, there are other

explanations, but you know, the electronics, hopefully they provide some light. Um, I,

I didn't, I was not aware the hurt was found on the beach. That is, uh, well, I, I want to confirm

that. I mean, Chris, let me read this real quick from ice call ox who comes to us from Turkey.

If the suspect story matches ocean current modeling, it's called oceanography, as I understand,

almost too perfectly. Does that raise suspicion feels like this guy might have even searched

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He could be, but we would jump out of me in that case. If if someone was going to plan to get rid

of their spouse on a boat, do it in the open ocean. Don't do it in a harbor where the chances are

the body's going to wash ashore. Wait till you're 150 miles out in the Atlantic and do it.

And the body's never going to be found. And then you come back and you have your story about how

there was a storm and your significant other went overboard and you tried and it didn't work out.

But it seems to me if it was premeditated and this had been well thought out, etc.

Doing it in a harbor versus the Atlantic Ocean doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, Chris, to you, number one, did you get the sense that he was,

what I'm quote, creating a narrative and you kind of using CBS and the others as a mechanism

to get a story out there? I think he definitely wanted. I think there was so there were so many

questions beforehand about, well, if my wife was missing, I would be out every day saying,

please help find my wife. So I think the attorney, the attorney's thinking was there's no way he

can just leave without saying anything, without showing face. But to an extent, because she, as any good

attorney will do, wants to make sure that whatever he's saying doesn't end up with him back behind bars

being questioned once again. My understanding too from speaking to people familiar with the

Bohemian law system is that they can easily re-arrest you for another 96 hours while they find

evidence for any sort of crime. And it's actually a common practice that they will release you

and re-arrest you within a day or two to continue their investigation. And they had already said

that they were still investigating him. So I think that, you know, I don't know whether that played a

role in him leaving as he says to go see his ailing mother in California. I mean, from what I've

heard, and this could be off, but apparently, Bohemian law, because I've talked to a bunch of private

investigators who do work in the Bahamas and they say they're notoriously, you know, corrupt,

take money. But, you know, I don't, I have not experienced that firsthand. But Judy Herbert here,

it appeared, Chris, that there were cameras at some of the establishments that they visited where

they reviewed to verify Lynette was there. What do we know about video surveillance? And also,

was that Apple watch found? Do we know? Was it found on the beach? Someone said it was found on

the soulmate, which is the sailing boat. What do we know about the one? It could be, it could be that it

was on the on the soulmate. I know that Bohemian police have not said that it was found, but it was

Lynette's mother who said that it was found. So it is a credible source. As far as where it was found,

I don't know. I believe that she said it was found on the beach. I do know we reviewed a search

warrant that Bohemian authorities had obtained. And the search warrant listed all electronic devices

that were on board the sailboat, the soulmate. So they, I believe have all the devices. And that

may be the answer to where Brian's digital watch may be at as well. It's very likely in the hands

of law enforcement. I should also note that Bohemian police and authorities do not have the

resources that U.S. authorities have. So for example, the U.S. Coast Guard, a great resource,

but their involvement coming this late in the game is something that I know people close to

Lynette have have concerns over because it's, you know, we saw those boats out there today. I believe

it's Bohemian law enforcement. But this is, I don't know when the Bamfield, what her podcast

was filmed, but that's 10 dates after the incident. So there is, there's the possibility that by then

there's not much to be found. I mean, you guys would know better than me. It's former law,

as former law enforcement, but I will say something interesting to me too was that

Brian's story in that 40-minute phone call, his telling of the events. What was really interesting to

me is that it matched up almost perfectly with the forecast that we came up with. All of that,

you know, to say that it's just an interesting point. I think when he mentions, you know,

I think he says 20 not wins and we have here 15 to 25 not wins. He mentions two to four

waves. I have to go back and listen to it, but I know that my producer and I as we were listening

to the phone call, we said, you know, it's almost as if someone read the forecast and memorize

that before going on the phone and telling people what happened. I mean, it's also the case that

that was the forecast that night. So it does match up with what conditions were like at the time.

I think that was the exact point that I school oxy was trying to make from Turkey that it matches

maybe a little too well. A.R.Y. Oman here gifting, she and Judy Herbert, like the MVP's of generosity,

gifting 10 memberships. Thank you. Let me play. This is now Brian's own friends. The COE put

together a little montage and they are none too pleased with him. Two more pieces of sound and

then we'll get some a few more questions in and final thoughts. Here we go. This now are these

now are Brian's friends. When Brian Hooker called them and detailed his side of the story with

finals in action, they recorded that 40 minute call. She basically just bounced off the dinghy

in the middle of a little blow like 20 some nine wins that popped up in on a pretty cool half mile

maybe trip back to the dinghy and Engle Singh failed every single thing we were wearing like

that is. The Stevens and say they then called the hamian police, the U.S. Coast Guard crime

stoppers to share what they learned. They got little response. They have serious questions about

Brian Hooker's action since her disappearance and Marty and Blaine Stevenson joining now live

from their boat in Saint Martin to give their opinions, their takes on all of this. Thank you both.

You have a message for Brian Hooker. What is it? Yeah, Brian I know was a former Marine.

It was a union leader. He was a staunch person of the people fighting for the people's right to

protest and stand up in any political climate and I'm asking him to be that person right now.

He's been making decisions. His said that the night was a cascade of failures and I'm not going to

backseat quarterback him on that one. But what I will say is sense that moment. He needs to step up

and be that person he is. We still don't know what she was wearing that night. When we have people

walking beaches and looking for things, we don't know what size shoe she was wearing, what color

shoe she was wearing. He's obviously making decisions that gets him detained or he has a life

that's out of control and he needs to go back to California. I'm not going to judge him for those

things, but put somebody in charge. Give us the information we need to find Lynette while you

can't do it. I'm going to hold it right there and then we're going to get to Marnie Stevenson.

And again, these are sailing friends who I guess we're in St. Martin now.

James Fulton to you. I mean, this was really interesting. He needs to step up after admitting

to a cascade of failures and he says he calls him out. He says we still don't know what she was

wearing. The size shoe, color shoe, you know, if it was my wife, my mother, my kids,

first piece of information I'm getting out there. This is what she was last wearing. Pink bathing suit,

you know, pro kids, I don't know, but I mean, how important is it that these details remain,

you know, basically undetermined because Brian Hooker has not shared any of them.

It would be unfathomable to me to think that law enforcement didn't get that information from him

during the period of time where they're more more likely treating him as a witness to this

tragic event. I mean, these are, I mean, those are blocks one, two, and three on the police report.

I mean, what what are we looking for here? And a description of clothing would be right there

at the very beginning. So I haven't ever heard anything put out publicly about that, but I mean,

I think, and here in this gentleman's speak, you're kind of getting this, this doubt in his mind.

I mean, that he doesn't want a Monday morning quarterback, but, and then here's what you haven't done.

And I think that's the public's concern as well here. And I'm sure it's the concern of the

Bohemian law enforcement community as well. Let me continue to play this out. This is now the

wife responding who are friends. She's a friend of Lynette Hooker. And obviously, this is a pretty

stiff rebuke of Brian Hooker, but let's listen some more. Students and emergencies happen. We can't

control if if something is going on with his mom. But the fact that he is leaving and not,

not giving anybody information about how to continue searching for her, it's it's disgusting.

It's I mean, I can't even put it into words because I just can't fathom that this could even be

a response from somebody who says that he'll do anything to find his wife, but he can't even

put somebody else in charge or give anybody any information about what they're looking for.

There is no narrative. There is no nothing. It's finding Lynette. If you've got three minutes

to talk to the news, and I respect the fact he doesn't like talking to the news and he feels

like he has to. I don't want to talk to the news right now. You put me in the situation.

The truth in marriage, you had three minutes to explain to the news what they were looking for.

You had three minutes to give every detail you could, so everybody on that

island could help find Lynette. And you spent three minutes saying, me, me, me, me, me.

Let's talk about Lynette. Where? When? Why? What was she wearing? Did she have her glasses on?

Did I have a band on it? What are we looking for on the beaches, Brian?

Can either of you explain we played a portion of that call? What that conversation was like?

That conversation at the time was honest to honestly, our friend was telling us about the

worst night of his life. And he's tired. I imagine he hasn't slept. I imagine that he's feeling

guilt or everything that you could imagine if you lost your wife. We recorded that conversation

because we were going to sit here with charts and we were going to help him.

At the end of the recording, we talked about starting a WhatsApp group,

getting hold of local voters, putting a pin up on NFL, doing the things we can to get everybody

involved. We understand that as America's we go to Bahamas and we leave this pile of poo on

their deck. They don't have all the resources, but we could get the community involved. He knows

about community outreach. He knows about the power of the people. That's his been his message since

I've met him. Every Facebook post he's put out is along those messages. And it's the one thing he's

refused to do is get the community involved. He talked about voters that were after the fact

that came to his boat and said, Hey, what can we do to help? And he's like, Oh, well, there's

really nothing to do. And that's not that's not helpful. That's not getting the word out there.

That's, I mean, obviously those people came to him and wanted to help. And there's been no

no action on any of that on his part. So chief, let me start with you. I mean, what stands out

to you real quick? I mean, she calls him or he says that he's disgusting for not providing

information. The word disgusting is used. Then he goes on to say, can't put it into words and he was

me, me, me, me, me. He understands it's the worst night of his life. But obviously these people

are extremely upset that at the very least, which we hope to Jay's point, they provided to

the behavior police at the very least, he gave some sort of descriptors, but at least as

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Well, two things kind of struck me. You know, one, I appreciate his friends in St. Martin,

but they're far removed from the case and far removed from what happened in their operating

on peer speculation. And I understand that and they talk to him directly. No one knows what the

Bahamian police at this point told him he could say or couldn't say as to what they're doing on

the search, how they're and they may be in a position where Jake can speak to this too.

There's sometimes we don't necessarily want the whole community out there in the middle of the

crimes until we get done with what we're trying to do. So there could be that quite simply he

was told not to and that they have that information. And to go back to Jay's analysis,

the description of the victim, that's the first thing you put on the report. He's absolutely right.

And I'm sure the Bahamian police have that. Why they haven't got public with that? I could speak

to that, but they have to have it. Yeah. They've got I would have to think Chris, I don't know if you

know that. I mean, my question to you is what I mean, what maybe struck you the most being on

the ground there that you can't really tell from watching it from afar on YouTube or CBS? Sure.

I think what struck me the most is that the area where Lynette went missing is quite shallow.

It's got a lot of land masses around there. It doesn't, it's interesting to me and I think to

voters that I've spoken to in the area that Lynette has not been found yet. So I don't know what

you know, make of that what you will. I think that that's what struck me the most. I think

there's also so many people who are out there who are boating in the area that someone if

if he set off those flares as he said he did, if someone did not see that or witness that,

I think it would be definitely it's difficult to reconcile what he says in the phone call

with actually being there on the ground and seeing what's going on. I will say we got on

a dinghy and we went up to the sailboat and the waters were rough and choppy when we were there.

But again, this is an area that is pretty close off. It's not open ocean. So it was bewildering to

us on the ground the fact that Lynette had not been found. Yeah, and Chris, I assume you probably

asked locals about shark activity because a lot of people said, well, she fell in the water.

We might never recover her body because there's apparently a lot of aggressive sharks in the

Bahamas. Is that something that you found? Yeah, well, we were familiar with it being shark

infested waters. I mean, that's how it's described by the locals and that is true. I don't know

whether that shallow area, I mean, you would still think that if Lynette fell in that area

that you, because she would be found, I think. Yeah, I mean, there's some real sketchy details.

Still, COE, do we have one more piece of sound with Ashley? If we do, let's play that now,

and then we'll move on to some final thoughts. Please, pretty please, with sugar on top.

Never know if she's here because we've got the kiddos. Let me see here.

This is just you roll here, I think. I don't know if there's this is a cadaver dogs.

Jay, I saw a comment, and I don't know if I'm going to mute this because there's natural sound

on there, but Jay, there was a comment, but you see the cadaver dogs that I guess Ashley

reported. I don't want to throw her on the bus. I just saw in the comment section that cadaver

dogs can pick up scent from underneath the water and nearly 30 feet of Brian as chief has shaken

his head. So chief, what do we know about cadaver dogs and water? And they're, it's unbelievable,

to be honest with you. And quite frankly, it comes down to and Jay could speak to this after

each and years of homicide, a body decomposes. And when it decomposes, it off gases. And those

gases travel to the surface and the dog will pick up on that. I've never seen a cadaver dog

work open ocean. I have seen them work lakes. I have seen them work in closed bodies of water

and I've seen them find bodies. They're amazing. But out in the open ocean, I could possibly believe

they could work. But on the shoreline, walking the shoreline, if somebody pulled a body ashore

and moved it or something like that, yeah, they could probably pick up on it. But I think you need

a little more still water like an enclosed body of water for them to be effective. Jay,

you see something different. I mean, real quick chief, let's just say for a moment, just

play devil's advocate that she's on the on the land somewhere from how far I know it depends

on wind conditions. But how far away could a cadaver dog pick up a scent potentially chief?

I honestly don't know. I do know that they're they're amazing. And I'm a big canine

supporter. They do great work for us. And I honestly did not believe they could find a body

in a lake until I saw it happen. And I was just blown away that they could do that.

So, you know, if you really want to be a conspiracy theorist and take this to the

nth degree and say this is something he planned and plotted and did then obviously what he did was

he took her out there. He killed her. He had another accomplice in a boat. The body went in that boat

that boat is somewhere between the Bahamas and Costa Rica. And that's where the body is.

And it'll never be found. And he walks away. Yeah.

Jay Fulton, I've been wanting to ask this question for the last hour. I finally got around to it.

Um, you know, you do your best work in the interview room. And you talked about how the

sky will probably never speak to a law enforcement again. If you had the first shot at him,

take us into the interview room. I mean, how do you start with him? And where do you want to

finish with him, Jay? Well, I think you start out. I'm like, I'm sure the Bahamian authorities

did. You want to treat him like a witness, like a grieving husband. I'm here to help you.

We had the theory always. I don't care what he's talking about as long as he's talking

because ultimately he's going to get onto one of those 40 minute tirades like he did with his

friends. If he feels comfortable with you and he's going to give you information that you can

later prove to be false. Or you can challenge it with digital evidence that you later recover.

And that would be the shot I would have wanted to take within hours of him making this report.

And I think that's that would been the important time to do it. I mean, we all know in law enforcement,

once the attorneys get involved, that Bahamian attorney won't be the last attorney. You see this

gentleman consulting with. I'm sure he's made contact with somebody here, stateside as well.

And you miss that chance. So hopefully they got a lot of good information in their conversation.

I don't know what they're, I don't know what the constitutional laws are in the Bahamas.

Somebody can be compelled to speak in that 48 hours air holding them. So I'm not familiar.

They do have something similar to the fifth. I believe Chris jump in there. I mean,

they have the right to remain silent. Is that right, Chris? I think I read that.

Miner standing from from the attorney is that yes, but I would have to independently check.

But yeah, I mean, that's the attorney got involved specifically because he wanted an attorney

present as they were asking him questions. So Jay, your thoughts on dogs? I know we're absolutely

agree. It was achieved 100%. We used them. We did water recoveries, rivers, lakes, and I like

what the chief said. I'm not, man, the ocean is so big and so moving. You know, I don't know.

But if she is washed up anywhere along their effectiveness, I mean, they will find,

they'll find things sometimes that you weren't looking for.

Yeah, hopefully. And if something happened on the boat, I think they're trying to rule that out too,

because they certainly, I think they went over the actual yacht with these canines as well. So

you know, hopefully there's a wealth of information on these digital phone phones and computers and

whatever navigational devices that that that can point some information. But short of, I do believe

short of her being discovered washing up, being discovered somewhere, you know, you're kind of

better dead in here. Yeah, one final question. Then we get final thoughts. I promise,

leaf intensity here. Chris, did you get a chance to talk with anyone at the Firefly Resort

where they were earlier in the day? We went to the Avaco Inn, which is reportedly the last place

they were seeing. The manager there would not speak to us on the record. All he said was that

they were cooperating with authorities. And I think there was another person that we spoke to,

at snappers, which was the place that they frequented. He was this individual who said that,

you know, he saw them going out, you know, drinking on dinghies and that they would test the

waters out there, even when it was too rough to be out. And he said that the last time that he had

seen them was four days prior to the incident. So the last reporting that we have of somebody that

saw them physically is four days prior. Now, having said that, there is word right that they were

at the Avaco Inn, but the manager there wouldn't confirm whether he saw them. It sounds like

Ashley Bamfield, who's on the ground, got some confirmation of her own, but yeah. Yeah.

So, Jay Fulton, he is a retired Columbus, Ohio homicide detective. We met him through the

Tepe murders, which we're going to get back on with Michael McKee accused of that horrific double

homicide. Jay Fulton, does this end up with some sort of arrest? Or do you think this guy walks

from what you're seeing so far? Well, I think short of finding a proof of death and

some evidence that would indicate injuries other than a drowning type situation. Yeah, I don't

see that I don't see it arrest in the future of this case. They just are behind the aid bombing.

It was, you know, a significant period of time before from the missing till it's even

people are made aware of it. So, in that period of time, I don't know how big the search area got,

but my thoughts are maybe, if in fact this person did something to cause this, he's way ahead of

the authorities at this point. And he's out of the jurisdiction. He's back here. I'm not saying

they couldn't get him back if they had something, but it's going to take something concrete

to getting back there. And I'm thinking this trip to America puts that in his rear view.

Yeah, and he's about as far away, according to Chris, as he can be out on the west coast in

California visiting his ailing mother. Chrissy on Benavides, he is not only a CBS news

national correspondent, but also a four-time Emmy award-winning journalist. He is the Miami-based

correspondent for CBS News. Any plans, Chris, huge thanks to CBS itself for allowing us to

borrow him. Any plans to go back to the bombers and your final thoughts here?

Well, look, I think so. I think if there's any developments to follow in this case,

certainly we'll go back out there if authorities find enough evidence to try to bring him back.

I think, as Jay said, it's going to be tough. He's state side, and I think that there's also

a question of, is he actually where he says he is? Ultimately, he has denied all wrong-going.

It's not facing any charges. He's free to go wherever he wants.

I need a snap of tell is where he's going. 100 percent right. Also 100 percent right is you

can't tag out on the evening news, talking about the pit, your favorite TV show, but I can do it

on my podcast here. Love the pit. An amazing show. They're like life savers. I can only have two

a night. I savor them, and I think there's only six hours left for those who do not know the pit

is about an ER in Pittsburgh with the original dude from ER, Noah Wiley. By the way, I'm going to

take heat for this. He's the one actor on that show that kind of irritates me because he does.

You guys ever watch George Clooney? He does a thing where he doesn't make eye contact. He never

looks at it. He's always looking down in a way, and I think Noah Wiley picked that up, and it

drives me insane, pet peeve of mine. But I love the show. The main guy. That's the main guy with

the beard. And when he was on ER like 30 years ago, he was very young, and he's not very young

anymore, which happens to all of us, I guess, but it's a great show. And I'm bummed out that

soon I will be close to the end of that show because I love it. And I said this before,

the COE would watch the entire season in one night. We'll not allow that to happen.

On that note, he is the chief first time best guest. And Chris, I hope you will come back.

Chief Brady, will you come back? Sure. I agree with you on pit. It's a great show.

Yeah, awesome. It's a great job. And you are in shout out to the folks that work ER. They

are unbelievable. It's a specialty now. American Medical Association, the ER trauma, and they

truly are amazing. Yeah, they absolutely are. And so were you guys in law enforcement,

not to shabby yourselves, 35 years in law enforcement, nine years with the Berkeley PD,

but then he spent time as a chief in Nevada, California. He also ran security for NBC

Universal. That is no small job. But most importantly, everybody, go to Amazon,

author of three crime fiction novels. Oh, what a tangled web.

Hiding in plain sight and greed. This is part of a series. Chief tells us about this real quick.

Dreadful partisanship. It's all focused in San Francisco. And the homicide and Bureau

and San Francisco PD are the protagonists. And they it's all in the city. I was born and raised

there. So I used the city. It's a great place to make a crime scene because if you're from the

Midwest and you pick up a story and you read it and I described St. Peter and Paul Church,

someone will normally say, well, I have no idea what that is. But because of dirty Harry,

they know exactly where St. Peter and Paul's Church is. And so the city has been on TV for so many

things and so many movies. And so it's it's a good background. So folks can can relate to it.

Wow. Go check it out. Your final thoughts here, chief. Are we going to get an arrest eventually?

Or will we never see this guy again? Well, that's a tough one. And I grew with Jay and Chris

both said that without another piece of evidence, you know, surfacing and Chris touched on it.

It's really important that here, if we have somebody go overboard in San Francisco Bay,

it's a huge body of water. You get on Channel 16, you call the Coast Guard, you get an immediate

response. And I mean, it's first class, you can't believe what they resources they can throw into

it. Not only that, you get San Francisco police and fire department with their resources. So

you said at the search and rescue was a volunteer group. So this happens in the middle of the

night, even if you let's say called it in at midnight, but at the time they woke up with all the

search Chris, they're not going to be at the firehouse or the boat lock. They're going to have to

wait, get everybody. And they're still going to be running three, four, five, six hours behind

from where the body went and then the current moved it. And I don't know what the resources they

have at their disposal to do all the projections as to where some a body would move under those

conditions on that wind and that current. Time is going to tell here, but definitely a compelling

story. We're going to stay on it. Look at this. I have to be careful. Crispy treat 11. I am friends

with George Clooney and real life, our family. He's the best actor ever to live. He is a good actor.

I just don't like that. He doesn't make eye contact. But now email me, survive and survive

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It is truly a small world. We've got the best community going. Huge thanks to these guests.

Love you America. We're going to stay on it. Thank you to Chief Brady,

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