Famous Alien Abductions with Tim Sudano | EP: 425

0:00Music Man's a dead freak Something's in your room He can't work he can't sleep It's horrible horrible feeling You know you're looking out at the darkness and let me see a figure But it's darker than the darkness I just get this really creepy feeling and I see this shadowy demon-looking figure in the front seat of the car. She used to come into my room at night and stand right by my bed and I just was terrified. I remember I saw something fly by my bedroom window. We heard the bathroom door shut so then we looked out my bedroom window down the hallway and the bathroom door was wide open. So we came around the bed and we saw a high shot. This thing stood up.

1:00I mean it stood up and it had high pointed ears. It had a snout, had a long arm and it just grabbed the deer. Okay guys, welcome back to the Let's Get Freaky Point. If you have had a paranormal or a world experience or if you'd like to come on the show and share a topic of higher strangers, we'd like to get weird here. Let's get freaky. So send us an email. Let's get freakypodcastatmail.com or you can reach us on social media, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, X, YouTube, ATTC. Let's get freakypodcast. There's so many different ways. Just get a hold of us and we would love to hear your story. Okay guys, super excited because I've got an absolute legend on the show tonight.

2:02I absolutely love this man. I call him a brother and we've been friends for a long, long time and he's an absolute legend. Tim Siddharth, how are you my brother? Welcome back. I am. Do they do so much? Excellent introduction. It's good to see you brother. Good to see you. Good to see you, man. Good to be on the show too. It wasn't long ago we were called it for your show. I was apparently on the side very recently. I mean, you were pretty. Yeah, that was a great show. I got good numbers on that show by the way. I think I did like 900,000. Let's go brother. Yeah, that was pretty good. We went to. We went to. We did. We got into some stuff. Yeah, we were everywhere but it was still, yeah, we still got into some stuff. That was pretty. We were all over the place but it was still a lot of fun. Oh, no. Well, I always love talking to your brother. So I've been excited for this one, man.

3:03You've had a lot of paranormal experiences yourself. You're a paranormal investigator. And so do you want to tell the listeners a little bit about yourself and then we'll get into some strange subjects tonight? Excellent. I'd love to. Well, my name is and it's not up on the screen but nothing to less. My name is Tim Sedano. SUDA and I host the green PI. That's paranormal insight on the UPRN radio network. That's what RN stands for. I don't know why we say that way, what we do. We're both broadcast visually and across the public radio networks of one of five point three in the Gulf Coast and one of seven point seven in Nolens as we say it here in America. Actually, that's how the New Orleans, New Orleans say that I can't talk tonight. The New Orleans residents say it. Nolens. So I try and order them by doing the same thing and I budget it.

4:05I'm really sorry, Nolens. I really am. But we have a worldwide audience which is fantastic. So I got people on my show in the chat section from Australia. And I get, come on and get my A and all that bunch of this is really cool. It's like, oh my gosh, that's right. It's tomorrow over there. How's it going? I didn't even need the future. Yeah, that if you think about it, it's time travel. So yeah, we have a lot of fun on the show. I'm reaching real quick since you had your little intro thing. It reminded me I should start doing the same on him. So the guest, we are of course looking for people to advertise on the show. We have a few slots at the beginning in the middle and at the very end of the show. So if you're interested in having your product and or space and or whatever, if you're an influencer like Tommy is, he is too.

5:08He denies it by the he is. He's a totally influencer. If you're an influencer like Tommy, we're going to run a little ad for you. If you have a product like I said, one of our sponsors is storyTV.com. They're an independent film channel. And so we I didn't add for them. I built it myself. So if you want a little resume of what's going on, what I can do for you is not only a broadcaster or end-to-work podcast host, but as a link to a literally international audience. Please do let me know and I'll give them out my information at the end of the show. Okay, thanks for letting me play that. I appreciate it. No problem at all, brother. But you're I loved your show because you go into light light. We do let's get freaky. You go into a lot of different topics of high-strangeness at the moment. What is your kind of favorite topic to go down? What would you put it out to go down? Okay. So actually discussing what we're discussing this coming week on the show, at least actually

6:12Tommy, when will we go on? Just at a curiosity for this with this episode. When will this episode go for you? It will be out soon. It will be out soon. Okay. I don't think it will be out this week as we were coming right now. But we have very soon. Anyway, following Tommy's, okay, so not following Tommy's show, but it will probably be in the past for you. Oh my gosh. It's such a time travel thing right now. It's like a weird doctor who episode. They can go as soon as this episode finishes. Or if now it's like one. Or whatever. It's like the next few hours. It's like the next few hours. It's like the next couple hours. But you can go and see Tim Shof's right now. Yeah. And it will be about. It will be about a new documentary. You just drop called The Experiancers. And it's fantastic. I just finished watching it. And I actually have a couple of bones to pick regarding it.

7:12Not that I disliked what they had to say in there. Because they have a bunch of would-be experts on there at some point. And their journalists and as research heavy as a lot of journalists are who have a good reputation, these guys made a lot of weird assumptions. And that's just a nitpick of mine. And they said, well, because we don't have the alien body, and I kind of went into this a few episodes back on my show, because we don't have the alien body to show you or the full-on, so crash saucer to show you. Fully documented, open to the person, no holds part or the pictures evidence you want kind of thing. I'm not going to have to assume that other people and the sciences are right. It's like who are kind of debunking the whole UFO experience?

8:15And it's like, yeah, no, I'm not buying into that. That's a bit of hogwash for myself. Especially in today's world, when so many people have seen these things, it's not just the fact that the US government have now released files to back up a lot of what we've been talking about for a long time. But at the same time, how many people do we know, including ourselves, that have seen things in this guy that we can't explain? Well, that was one of my chief arguments. One of the reporters, and I think he was just trying to make a point, and I mean, I get it. He says, because I'm a reporter, I had to rely on other factual, something, something, something. He made some kind of clouded reference to science or to scientists. He says, if you look at what Jung wrote and said about the UFO phenomena, it's like Carl Jung, we're going that far back.

9:17Okay. Well, it's all a figm of our imagination because we see the saucers in their round and because they're round, that's a cyclical thing. It's all in the mind. People took a lot of weird photos and videos of our imagination, including militaries across the world who have some really advanced camera stuff. Exactly. What about the famous Nick Pope picture? Exactly. From Scotland. Yeah. That is an incredible photo. Oh, it really is. I mean, it hit that forever, too. It's just a way of life. It's just about 30 years, right? Yeah, give it a try. Yeah. Well, before, you know, obviously we probably had drones and things like that back then, maybe. But before today's world, where you'd see something like that in the sky, how can you explain that? Anyway, it was like a triangle or like a diamond-shaped object. Yeah, yeah. Like a stone-looking. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. And the even caught a hairier jet, military jet.

10:19Yeah. And then you can see the skull. What's the UK you don't know for, especially back then, hairier jets. I mean, come on. Come on. So it's things like that. I kind of hit on it. It's like you're your conclusions are maddeningly unsupported. And then, you know, and there's some walk back later on with some of these reporters where they say, but, you know, nothing, we got this, that the other thing was like, never mind. I mean, this thing was just made too. It's not like we didn't have the UFO files out in the world unless they've been sitting on this documentary for five years. I really don't know the full background of it. But I was certainly released just now. So, I don't know. So I'm looking at the experiencers. Because it's a fantastic documentary. And really goes over the entire, it's from the, you know, the abductees. That's what they call the experiencers perspective. And they interview these guys and they got, they have betting party whites niece on there

11:25when it goes over their story. And they had these fun little animations that kind of are really well done. You know, like AI animations are actually very, very good, very, very well done. Other animations are like cartoony. So you know, they weren't trying to like fool you really create all the kind of words they had. The, you know, their experience and, oh, the thing about the betting, the betting party hill case that cripples me emotionally every, well, okay, I'm overstating that. And it certainly touches my heart every single time is their hypno regression tapes to listen to them cry and weep, especially Barney. I mean, because, because Betty was a tough old woman. She was great. She's from Boston. She had that whole thing going and, or, she buffed my life in pressure.

12:27She was new English. Definitely, definitely knowing that yeah. Yeah. So, but, and then there's Barney. I mean, he was, he was an army fan. He was in the World War II. He fought a number very well known battles. I think it was even in Omaha Beach. Well, this, you know, he was there. Wow. And I hear this poor guy crying, feeling like a complete loss of control. It was so palpable. It was just insane. I mean, that's insane. That's an incredible story, the Betty and Barney Hill story. Oh, it's, when you look back when that took place, was it the 50s? Was it the 50s? 61. 61. So it was an interracial couple as well, which was another thing. Yeah, one of the first. Yeah. Oh, it's huge. Yeah. And so why would they want to bring that kind of publicity to their door? You know, there's a lot of reasons why they shouldn't have said it. You know, if they, you know, weren't telling the truth, but that case is very interesting.

13:30And as you say, the regression types, very revealing, very strong revealing and they strike, they strike home with me every single time. I get a little, all, all emotional just kind of thinking about it. You know, and I get the chills too at the same time. That's like, wow, that's amazing because you know, they, they go over, again, everything they went through. It's a very short reconstruction of what they went through. But, and I think they only focus on, because they were deducted, abducted a couple of times. They go over the first one, more in detail. And that's the one also where Betty talks about the star map, she sees. And it's, if you recall, you know what, let me, let me get this over to my, what you call it here. Was that was that the one where they was, it was in the car. And that's the car they pull over the men walk up that aren't men.

14:34That's one of their descriptions. Can they later just, yeah, I can't, I can, they were, they weren't the classic grays. They were short. No, they weren't. I'm sorry. They were six foot tall. These guys, they had black pajamas on, according to one of them, I forget which one, but they had black uniforms, basically. They had longer necks, bigger heads, but their heads were a little, I don't know, if you take my face, for example, and you squish into cheeks a little bit, reduce them out to nothing. And then you have this, but you make the bulb that forms here bigger, no ears. So they have a really prominent, like, like the, the melon of my head here, add two more to the side of my head. And, but they had big black eyes, although they could make and make out even darker pupils.

15:34So maybe they're super brown. If you know anyone like that of the super brown eyes. So and they were looking down on them the most times because they're on a table. And Betty points out, what's that? And it's, it's their travel map. It's basically a storm map. And they have it up there. And again, if you want, if you want to pause for a moment, yeah, we can pause. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Keep, we'll be right back. Go. We are back on. We are back and we've got the storm map up. Okay. I'm listening. You might be able to see this, but we're trying, explain it as we talk about it as well. So when Betty was shown a storm map of their travels, the image on the bottom is what she recalled. She drew, redrew it. And this actually appeared on a screen of sorts.

16:34And so she has two larger spheres in the lower corner and it kind of dips off to another little kind of moon. And then one dot up goes almost straight up, but nonetheless, a bit of an angle to the, to, well, your left is you're looking at it. Then there's another one that kind of trails off. And there's all these lines connecting a lot of these different stars. And this isn't 61 now. And they are, yeah, 61. Well, they didn't know what they were looking at. It took an astronomer, a lady astronomer at a NASA back again, back in that day. That was a big deal where, yeah, where she said, oh, I recognize that. I know what it is. And it ended up being the Zedra Ritikuli area of space. And in the picture, you can see what actually these stars are.

17:37Now Betty goes on to explain why the lines are there like that. Because between Zedra Ritikuli A and B or one and two, there's a lot of trade routes in traffic. And that's what those lines they represent. The more solid lines going out from Zedra Ritikuli beta or, yeah, beta are places they go to kind of regularly, like they have outposts there and they go back and forth a little bit. And then the dotted lines are their proposed exploration route. Now, this came up because Betty had the presence of mine to ask, where are you from? And they bring up this map. And they say, do you know where your star is? Had she known, because it's marked right here on this picture and the upper right is the sun right there. Had she known, she probably would have gotten a really in-depth answer other than a rather flippant reply from these aliens and said, well, if you don't even know where you are,

18:42what's the point of talking about this for them? They go right back into the examination, which is brittle. I thought, I was like, okay, well, there's no use talking to you about it. So had she known that that dot up there right here where I'm circling with my mouse if you can see it, is that would be the sun. That's our sun right there. Because he asked, do you know where you are on this map? Had she known that that was us right there? Whole world would have opened up to her. Wow. So this map, Betty drew showing what she had seen and quickly did the NASA scientists put this together. It took a couple of years. Because Betty and Bernie are telling the story. If you recall any documentaries on them, they told their story for going on three or four years. I mean, they were the talk of the town, so to speak, for a long time. And it took this NASA engineer, it only had a brief flash of this.

19:45And she somehow finally got, I think she wrote them and said, can you send that image to me? Because I think I know where that is. Now brilliant part about this entire thing regarding this map is it is the reverse perspective. I'll show you another one of what, you know, this is from their point of view in other words, from their home world called Zeta Reticuli. And I will, I have another image on here. I will share with you. Let me stop sharing. That's insane. So it's, it's bonkers. It gets weirder in my heart. It is really bonkers. So let me bring this up. So nobody should really know that map, right? Unless you're like, well, no one should, it's hold on, I'm having issues here. Uh, pull on. I'm having problems on my end. Drop me to our polls, bro. Uh, no, no, no, it's all good.

20:46I just, I just had that hard time getting this situated on my side. It's because you've got 25 screens in for you. Well, that's pretty much. So let me show you what we see from Earth regarding Zeta Reticuli. Yeah. Okay. So there it is. Wow. Okay. Okay. Now this formation is called the reticulum or the net. It's a constellation in our sky. And way over here, this little dot, that is Zeta Reticuli. That is the planet. And it even says alien home world right there. So this person saw, had a map of this basic star system. There's a few other points out here that we don't map. But this is a, and this is B. So it was flipped upside down and reversed to form their perspective. Wow. And then you get the flip upside down again and reverse it from our perspective if you're

21:46on Earth. And that would have been them right there. That's insane. Isn't that incredible? I thought that was the most incredible thing. I didn't realize that. The genius of that astronomer to put that together is absolutely. Yeah. Just incredible. We're lucky that we've got clever paper out there, bro. Yeah, for sure. For sure. How would anyone, how would you, anyone know that? You know, an issue or so, an issue or a part of NASA and you really researched this stuff. Yeah. I mean, you would know that and be able to flip it like that. Not only flip it, but rotate it upside down just to get the right perspective. I mean, it's literally insane. It really is. It really is. And this system here is about 39 light years from us. Wow. Just as an added note. But I mean, that's probably incredible in my book that it really is. To be able to suss that out. I mean, and to have the pattern recognition to associate what we see as a diamond in the

22:50sky and to be able to expand off that. And it's like, oh, they go over here and over here and over here and over here. So the map that Betty drew and the NASA scientists kind of confirmed, yeah, where the dots lied and stuff like that where they said there was traffic. Yeah. What was that traffic? Do we know what that was? Yeah, sure. Let me go back. I'll show it. It's easier to show than to tell as a tour. I know the Betty and Barney Hill abduction is one of the most, it's one of the most famous of abduction stories. One of the most highly documented too. Very documented. Very big, you know. And it's one of the most, what's the word I'm looking for? It's one of the most famous. It's one of the most famous, people. A lot of people believe that this really happens, you know, including us.

23:50Oh, including us. Yeah. I think I'm convinced it happened. Does it not spread it to this abduction? Yeah. Yes. There's a lot of scrutiny on the abduction too that especially went with, I mean, look, I wish I had a picture of it. I do somewhere in my mess, but not here. We'll get the lines in just a sec. But on that first one, Betty had this instinct, okay, they're coming to the car and she's thinking like these split. She wants to get away from these guys. And so as soon as she, the door opens, she goes the run, but they stop her. They grab at her and there's a tear in her dress. Then there's a apparently they couldn't suss out that it was clothing, the dress. So they actually started to burn it away. And then apparently she said, no, it comes off. Floof. And it hit the, yeah, starting to go off through these weird burn marks along the stitching.

24:52They were just going to cut it off her. Very interesting. So, oh, it's incredible. So going back to your question about the lines. Are you getting to Betty and her communication with the leader as they called him? Apparently they had a commander make sense if you have a foreign military or what have you. So these heavy lines here are regular. They're darker too. You can see how heavy they are here and her depiction down here. So between Alfa Minesa, Mensox, excuse me, Alfa Mensei, I can't talk Alfa Mensei Z, Z, Z, particularly B and A or two and one according to that map. Those are the heaviest trade routes between those star systems. Those are stars. Those are stars with planets around them and stuff. Okay. So that's where all that heavy trade happens according to her map here.

25:52She says, then he goes on to say that the lighter lines here and here, which go to our son, Irradani 82 and Gelliss 86. We're getting super technical here folks. Are common kind of like, weren't not trade but like resource ones or something like that. I'm misremembering that I think. And the dotted lines here, here, here, here, here, here, they go out to all the rest of it like you know, from Irradani 80, oh, I know what they say. I'm sorry. These are outposts, regardless 86, 80, 80, 80 to Irradani in our son. Apparently they have outposts here in our solar system. It's not here on earth. Whoa. Yeah. Those were outposts. And from those outposts, the dotted line, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, you go. Sorry, man. I was going to say. But exciting isn't it?

26:53From these two outposts here, they had these dotted lines ago, these different star systems, those are at the time exploratory routes. They had ideas to go there, whether they've been there or not, this is a different story. Wow. Okay. So she got a really nice download created. Oh, interesting. So the names of these places like Irradani, Taiyu, Seti, I don't know if I'm pronouncing these correctly. Yeah. They are official like the phoenix names. Those are earth names, earth names for them. Yeah. Okay. That's incredible, man. So obviously, NASA, you know, I know we're going conspiracy. They may not tell us everything they know. Right. That's the conspiracy. But obviously, they don't NASA won't say that there's these are like outposts and things like that, right? Obviously. Right. Especially the one mark our son. Yeah. They're not going to talk in those terms.

27:54But still the fact that they see that this lady has created as you can't just make this up, you know, this map is genuine. Oh, yeah. And doubt about it. What she is drawn is exactly what, you know, NASA, of course, it's incredible. It's absolutely incredible. Now here's the even more incredible part about this map beyond what I just told you. So there's one, two, and I think it goes three, the Galice 59, four to Galice 86. That's the kite. Okay. The net to the reticulate from in reverse from our perspective, right? And so if we flip things around like the astronomer did from our son's perspective, we'd see that constellation. Excuse me. Oh gosh. I said brilliant point. Slid to what?

28:55No problem, but I'll do that very often. Anyway, anyway, so, so, okay, I'm, here's my point. So we know those four points from our perspective. We didn't know about this, alpha manays, or even about half of these other stars listed on this map because we didn't have powerful enough telescopes or photography to find them until about 10 years later. Whoa. So 671, we confirmed this map. Is that not proof? Is that not ultimate proof that that is ultimate proof that those stars exist in Betty Song from reverse angle from an aliens perspective? Find. I'm on. Find. I'm on. I don't know if there was any doubt, you know, because obviously we've got, you've got doubt as in this two, in paranormal. Is there any doubt? How, how can for someone who's a skeptic, how can they debunk what Betty has seen there

29:55and produced that is unbelievable? Oh, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. That is rock solid proof. That is inescapable. Yeah. I don't even, I mean, even if she was secretly some amateur astronomer, look, you know, consumer astronomy stuff, even if she had some of a connection with us, just, um, NASA lady in reality, even if that was a conspiracy, which I don't know, I try to know she didn't, they, anyway. We didn't know about it either officially or unofficially. Sorry, those were my phone going off. Oh, that was a mini blad. They're coming together. We're talking too much time. We don't know too much time. We don't know too much time. We don't know too much. We don't know too much. Just get beaned up on the broadcast. Oh, that would be fun. Hey, real proof right there. It's like suddenly, he's gone. What's going on? Oh, man. So that is like, that is like 100%.

31:01But you can't deny that, especially if you can't disprove that. No, it's late. It correlates. That's incredible. Yep. I know. It's incredible. It's amazing. Betty basically told the future of astronomy 10 years ahead of the game. Yeah. And she's an amateur and she never looked through a telescope in her life. That's so. And she saw it in reverse. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's impossible. From an alien planning perspective, go ahead. So for the people that were like the skeptics, did they answer what? Well, they think that that could have happened. How do they think? So how did they think that Betty could have come up with a map like that that was? Oh, what's the skeptic answer? Yeah. How can they do that? Somehow, the one that stands out, it's not mentioned in the documentary, I just watched.

32:02But I remember once stood out, it's like, well, it's not that hard to draw lines and ducts on the thing and you're going to get it right once in a while. No. And then they give the thousand monkeys in a room with tight, tight writers would create Shakespeare. And it's like, oh, come on. Yeah. I really don't know. No, wait. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. They say that, but I just don't think that's true. Yeah. I mean, just this is just that's irrefutable evidence right there. Oh, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. That's incredible. So these routes and bases that these things are going to, did she mention what they were actually trading and things like that? She didn't get that much more information because alien says, where are we from? Point your star out. You'd get to flip it with her, man. It's like, oh, yeah, point out your star. We'll talk more. Yeah. And she didn't know to say this one. So.

33:02And what's the reason for, no, this is just for people that I've never heard. I know most people have, but who I've never heard of the Betty and Bonnie Hill story. What was the reasons they gave for the aliens taking them? You know, in the documentary, they actually go into this a little bit. And they, and it's not just Betty and Bonnie Hill, they talk about Blank and all the names now, of course. The one guy who was a logger. Oh, Travis Woltan. Travis Woltan is a part of this documentary. Oh, okay. And he, yeah, yeah. And he, uh, he has stories fantastic too. Um, he, uh, him and the, and the hills and the other experiences they talked to at least. While emotional, even in regression. About their experiences, they're still stable and highly intelligent. And apparently this is a factor of, and they're open to new ideas.

34:06They're okay meeting aliens, you know, that type of thing. So, um, that's a, that's apparently a factor in selecting these individuals. Um, whether, now see this, one thing that strikes me about Travis Woltan and the hills and the few or two or three others. They looked at in the documentary and some was relatively recent. Um, they have, um, they have very stable people. At least, um, you know, they seem, you know, altogether. Uh, as far as they know, they meet your mental issues or anything like that. Uh, although poor barn, you experienced PTSD. Won't do a foggab the abduction. Um, uh, but you couldn't figure out why until he was regressed. And that's what kind of cleared him up a little bit. But I digress. They, they say the people they go after have that stability to them.

35:09And they're able to accept and are open to accepting the reality should be revealed to them. Um, my guess is that is also why they wipe memories in the first place. It's like, okay, yeah, they're stable. They are. They can handle it. But what's not one have them blabbing about it until it's not. Chance damaging the cargo, you know, or the experimental animal or whatever is your own. It is you think they look at us. So it would be a, oh, I can clear this if you want me to. Um, okay. So, um, one of the, this also kind of to a degree for me flies in the face of its genetic. Because a lot of abductees claim and have established that not only were they, have they been taken over the years repeatedly, but their mom has a grandma,

36:09and so on and so forth and going all the way back. Um, and it's not every single individual in that family. It's only certain individuals in that family that have a given marker maybe that the aliens and such can detect that we can't. So. And their reasoning could be, you know, ongoing research. Or for whatever reason that as you say that certain bloodline that they need to stick to. It's kind of because you think as humans what we do. So we will, we will, we will take an animal in the ocean or wherever we'll put a marker in it or a bird. For example, we'll put a marker in it and we'll monitor that animal. We'll, we'll study it off. And in our, in our mind, we think, okay, it's got this thing on its wing or it's got this thing on its tail. It doesn't know. It doesn't know we've done that. It's just for us. If we don't know, there could be an ongoing effect on these animals that they know they've got this weird object on them. You know, they've had obviously it's not the same as having regression as people. Yeah.

37:09But we're still, we're still, you know, we're still researching animals and it's very possible that these things could be researching us in the same under way. Sure. Oh, I agree. I agree completely. The funny thing that you mentioned research and attacking, one of the gents is a lawyer in his name escapes me. One of the experiencers, as they call themselves, he says, well, I did something to my leg once and it was just killing me. I don't know what I did. I go in, I get an x-ray and there's this floret pattern. Like if you look at the lower leg perspective in the calf, there's this weird floret pattern and it's bone. It's just stray bone. It's not part of his leg. It's not an old shrapneling tree at all. Nothing like that. And what the heck is that? He goes, it's like that for a couple of three, four years.

38:13And then he hangs onto the x-ray because that's freaking weird. He can't really feel anything. It just hurt one day and he decided to get a check that. Then one day, oh my god, he could barely move his leg and it's the same basic kind of thing. And he's, I got to get an x-ray done. But he doesn't have an excuse. So he goes to a chiropractor. And fortunately, the chiropractor says, oh, this is kind of cool. I'm into the UFO thing. So he says, okay. I'm going to write you a prescription and send you an x-ray joint. You come get your photos, bring them back to me. You got it. So they do a side by side comparison and the floret pattern's gone. And oh, I guess they just took it out and that's why it was so painful. And the chiropractor says, look closer. And so he blows it up. And the implant, the forip bone thing, while gone, has been replaced by a very small little chip

39:20with two little antenna coming off it inside the leg right next to the bone. And the chiropractor says, I think they upgraded the implant. Oh, yeah, that one was wigg me out a little bit. So did he leave it in there? Did he get it taken out? I don't know if he got taken out or not. I think he left it in. For me, if a me who had it taken out, I would have shown it off. So here it is. Exactly. But he left it in apparently. And it's so strange. And the Travis Wharton case, another very famous case. Yes. For anyone that doesn't know what took place there, he was a logger. I believe it was on the West Coast. And there's so much to the story. There's a lot. In a nutshell, the guys were working. I believe there was some sort of, so these guys were working together.

40:21And they weren't getting on that day. Some reason there was a fight that took place before they actually went to work that day. Between two of the guys, between Travis and someone else, I believe in that camp. So they weren't like great friends, but they obviously knew each other because they worked together. And then as they're driving home from their day of work, they see this light in the forest. And they're all like, a bit freaked out, but Travis goes to all the light. And then he vanishes. He goes missing. And obviously the guys drive back to town. Have I missed something? Yeah, actually. No, it's okay. You're very close. They didn't go over the trouble, the personal trouble between a couple of the guys. Although I've heard that brought up before by Travis Walton. It's not that. They're driving along and they see this glow among the trees. It's like, crap. It's a fire. Wait a minute. That's not a fire. Look where it is.

41:21It doesn't make sense. Pull over. So they pull over and then they see it as the pole noberts in a clearing. And it's a craft. And it's silvery. And it's got this orangeish amber. Looks like a fire from a distance. Glow to it. And so Travis being the gun hoe guy that he is, he charges out there. And they try and stop him. But they're frozen. It's like they're in the truck, man. And so Travis, he can't get behind the log. He watches this thing. He watches this thing. And he looks back at his friends and it's friends like, let's go. He says, yeah, okay, you're right. We should get the hell out of here. So as Susie stands up, whack. He's hit with this burst of energy. And he goes down like a sack as his friends describe a sack of meat. They think he's dead. And they're scared. Absolutely out of their mind. So they hit the gas and they leap or Travis alone. He's taken up at one point or another.

42:22And because he says, I remember, I guess he remembers what happened under regression inside the craft. But he says, the next thing I fund a male I remember is I'm lying in the dirt and the grass saying clearing. And I stumble along and apparently they've been looking for him and looking for him. There's huge search parties looking for him. They cover that area, rice or something like that already. And when they go, he's suddenly there and they find him again or he meets up with them where I can't remember what it is. And it's like, where the heck you come from? I was lying like, that's like, aw, that's a lot. It's like, aw, no, you weren't buddy. I was there. So that's what fun is. Yeah, three days he was totally gone. He doesn't remember what happened in the saucer until afterward. And then he describes creatures very similar to what Billy and Barney Hill described.

43:22He's trusting. Except I'm sorry. No, no, you go. I was going to say except for one guy they called the leader. Oh, you had another leader. In many Barney Hills case, it was the same species. In Travis Walton's case, there was a taller version, like seven eight foot according to Travis, who looked, he was pinker in complexion. And bigger with those weird kind of side melons on the side of the head, they kind of come together. And the top melon, but he was pinker. It's a little more defined and bumped up somehow. And it seemed to be controlling something. And I can't remember who was Travis or if it was the lawyer that sees humans in flight suits working with aliens. In the back of the humans are in the background, right?

44:22And he's up on the table like this to see I can't remember if that was Travis or if that was the lawyer. They may have been the lawyer. Interesting. Didn't Travis didn't Travis see these entities or aliens putting on some sort of suit? I missed that. You dropped out for a second. Didn't he see these entities or aliens put on some kind of a suit? He was saying and then they look more like the grays. Is that right? Or is that he didn't go into that in this documentary. I seem to recall something close to that and what was other interviews. Yes. And also in this is a film which is really good called Fire in the Sky. And that's the trebuchet. That's his story. Yeah. I filmed. Great film. Great film. And I believe that's how he depicts it in the film. I know the film is not always the same as the actual event, but it's very interesting. And obviously, you know, at the time these guys have driven back. They've left their friend, their work colleague to die basically.

45:22Yeah, they left them for dead for sure. And the towns, people that share off and all that were kind of saying, you've done this. Obviously, that's what they were saying. Yeah, that was the walk away. Yeah, so you're just making stuff up because you killed your friend, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah, that was the, they were in this mission for all. Or did a lie detector and a past. And past. They all passed. Yeah, all of them. Which is, you know, I guess you could say sometimes people could maybe evade a lie detector. I don't know. You can. I mean, there are techniques to evade it, but it, I don't think a bunch of vloggers understand those techniques. No, I mean, I mean, it's incredible when it's so, but if all of them can evade a lie detector. Right. Exactly. Exactly. What's the chance to know? You know, it's an incredible thing. Millions to one. Millions to one. Exactly. So incredible. And it's just saying it seems like these, whatever these things are, it doesn't seem good. I don't know what your thoughts on it, but it doesn't seem good that these things can take us at will.

46:24Do whatever they want to do with us, put us back, you know, it seems, it doesn't seem good. Well, that's one of my other contentions with the whole thing. At least early abduction stuff in general, especially regarding the Betty and Bernie Hill case, because something struck me as I was watching this. And it never really hit me before, which is, I don't know, it may be a little pissed off at myself or not asking this question earlier. But so Betty describes a pregnancy test, basically, where they showed this huge large gauge needle into a belly button, which wasn't a procedure we had until, at least publicly until 1970s, some 10 years later. It's a weird correlation too. Everything they experienced happened was a reality for humanity 10 years later. Yeah, that's kind of bizarre. So why? Oh, and then there was also the, that weird transparent cup that goes over Barney's privates as he puts it,

47:30to collect semen. I think they even do an anal probe on him. He didn't like that at all. Well, now we know that that's how you extract semen from like animals, donkeys, and horses, and bowls. You put a little probe up the Huha and zap them, and they produce. They're essence, let's call it, forcibly. Yeah. And so they think, so, hmm, those are pretty primitive things for creatures who can travel up to 40 light years and have all this interstellar travel ahead of them. There's still use in hyperdermics. Even today, I mean, I'm sorry, back in the 70s, we had jet injectors. That's like Star Trek stuff, right? And we can extract blood the same way. And who knows what else? But if we have that advanced technology, why don't they?

48:34Yeah. Yeah. So is that your head? Go ahead. Most of it for you, is that something that makes you think, you know, I'm not too sure about it. I'll tell you something that always stuck with me. And it was told to me rather recently. I had an experience, a dream. I talked about it on my show a couple of different times. In fact, I revisited it a little while ago. Where? I had a very very crystal clear dream, very narrative to it. And my group's scary. I can't do it. Goes out to this little desert town. I mean, in the middle, nowhere. For some reason, in my dream, this little town, this little desert town that's basically a ghost town, basically.

49:36I mean, there's people living there still, but it's run down. This little desert town was at one time the little league capital of the world. The little league. Okay. So much so that they actually built a little hotel as the, like the right field stop area of this baseball diamond. Kind of like the Toronto stadium where they got the hotel against the one one of the walls back there. But I think the blue jays have that in their home stadium. Anyway, so just shrink that down to a little league, you know, like four stories tall. It's very big. And we know about in the dream, my team and I know of this huge, you F.O. flap happening around this town. And it happens like clockwork constantly, constant UFO abductures. The stories rarely change from experience to experience.

50:37And we interview a bunch of people and we get a little hint to say, okay, well, it's a come of the night. I don't know if I'm supposed to tell you this, but they're coming tonight. And if you want to see them, you better get them to the top of that hotel. Well, the hotel's relatively empty. So don't go there anymore, but still functional. And my team and I all take the top floor. And I have a corner place with a window with a couple windows shaped like this. And this is a long story to get to it. But the night time comes, nothing's happening. We've been had. Come on. And then someone calls me on the cell phone and it's super scratching crackly and can't hear anything. They're here. They're here. We see them. They're here. It's like, really? Where? Where? So I look at my windows and then, oh, coming down a little right right in front of me is this flying saucer.

51:43And it has. And I've seen it recently. I'm just so ticked off. I couldn't find it. But I'll show it to you right now if you'll remember to share the screen. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So what's this? This is a, this is a re-render of what I saw on my dream. Oh, it kind of looks like. Now, here's the funny thing. Yeah. I've been looking all over the internet for a saucer that matches something approaching this description. And I freaking found one. And I thought it was in the UFO dumps from the US. Right. But I could not find them the same way. It was so frustrating. It was like, where did I see this? Where did I see it? I was just tearing everything I had apart trying to locate this. But these guys are kind of weird in that they were more mechanically based. You'll notice up at the top here are cameras in a spotlight. So there were these over under camera lens setting.

52:45And this was a spotlight. This is a spotlight also function is a tractor being made. And I was like, well, I'm not going to be the way because they parted the curtains and started to lift me up. Being the episode is being in the dream. And I had this weird response. Oh, hello again. And that's when I woke up. Well, again, hello again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was kind of joky about it. I was like, hello again. And like I usually am. PS said, this is this is a rendering of what the hotel looked like in the baseball game. Interesting. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with AI putting this together because it fought me every single step of the way. You want to spray painted on there. Right now, buddy, hotel for storage. And it's still got that long. It's only three. But anyway, um. So this is how you saw it in your dream. This is that one. It's on my dream. Yeah, very close, very close. Yeah. But this did nothing out there. Baron Old, Old, the dilapidated ball field in this hotel acting is part of the.

53:48So in the dream. Yeah. Was it you as you now? Or you are? Yeah, me as me now. Yeah. It was very modern. Interesting. It was fantastic. But I bring this whole thing up because I told this to my boss, the creator, the UPR network. Um, UPR and. I can't see you. Yeah, that's something else. You PRN and. His name is Joe Montaldo. Now, Joe is. Really famous guy in the UFO circles, especially. He also runs. And he used to be part of move on, but move on was ticking them off because they weren't doing things correctly in his opinion. So he formed his own thing called Icar and I cannot remember that stance for I.C.A.R.R.R. If you want to look it up. Um, and he did something really spectacular, super intelligent move in my personal estimation.

54:50So Icar has thousands of reports coming in from various objectives and or experiences as we now get to call them. And. He says what I did was, you know, these are repeat. Abductees. So they get taken. So I started asking having them ask questions. When they were taken up, it's like just repeated kind of like a mantra. And this time I want to know about this. I want to know about this once. So it sticks in our minds. And when they get plucked. They now have some intelligence to report back. And the aliens seem to be rather cooperative because he keeps getting all this intelligence back from the experiences. And he rush, you know, he regresses them and all that fun stuff. And he has something on the order of like a thousand abductees across the globe doing this for him. And I told my dream.

55:53The little moral abort than what I told you, but nonetheless told the dream. And he says, Tim, I think you've been abducted yourself. I said, what? He says, but it's interesting. I think you were abducted by the military versus the aliens. Interesting. How about that? Adopted by the military instead of the aliens. Which we stopped sharing. Which you hear a lot that I've heard. You hear a lot. Yeah. Sounds crazy, but it does seem that it's very possible that our governments are possibly in on this. I know that sounds crazy. But I've heard a counter people saying that these things that took me were not, they were off the surf. They were, they were a part of us. They were wherever they are. I mean, that's, that seemed to be, as you were telling me that, I was thinking. It sounds like, because a lot of these abductions seemed to happen in a dream state or, or it's remembered in like a dream state.

56:53You know, I don't know exactly if it's happening from a dream, but it seems to be a connection between dreams and abductions in a lot of these practices. I know. That's wild, man. Did you, did you hear? I don't know if you listened to Joe Rogan. I do. Not every time. I don't, I listened to him once in a great while. Go ahead. Yeah, but I, I love he show, man. I love it. I love how open he is to all this stuff. Oh, yeah. The same thing. He can be skeptical, but at the same time, he can be very all in on it as well. I quite like that. He, he, he spoke, I can't remember who he was talking to. He, he started an episode off where he explained a dream that he had. Which, to, to guys like us that talk about this stuff all the time, it sounded like he'd had an abduction experience. I don't know if you saw him. He literally, no, I didn't see that one. I go look it up now. Look it up, man, because he, he, he basically talks about it and he even says himself. You know, I've been, it doesn't know if he's been abducted, you know, you know, Joe Rogan's like, and one, one, one sentence he's saying out of soul.

57:57Like, all, you know, and then in the next sentence, he's, he thinks he might be abducted. I quite like that. But he literally explains this, like this dream in full detail. And, and he said it was a dream, which, which is another thing with dreams is some dreams are so like they, they just seem different to a normal dream. They, they feel real, you know, there's a, yeah, very vivid. That's what this was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, there's something to it, man. There seems to be something to that. You know what that is? You know, it's very strange. But there's some dreams seem to be more, well, no, it's real. You wake up and you've had a real experience. Yeah, for sure. The funny thing is as I was waking up, I swear up and down. If I had a stack of Bibles, I'd put my hand on them right now. Okay. I swear I dropped about a foot when I woke up.

58:57Like I popped into my bed. You was floating. That's what it felt like anyway, yeah. But the funny thing is on top of that, I also had the sensation because the, there were two of those little saucers. One was a kind of quasi-mother ship. It wasn't that much bigger. Another one was a little scout. But still had the over under camera in the spotlight. And it's weird when it's scanned to me and I started lifting up, I could literally feel this tingle running from the tip of my head exactly from the tip of my head down to the tip of my toes. And it's like I was being scanned or something. And it was, it was that sensation all over my body and that's kind of what woke me up initially. And then boom, I fall into my bed at least that's the sensation I had.

59:57Yeah, that was about six, seven, eight months ago, something like that. Was you alone in the bed at the time? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm a single man right now so yeah, I was alone in the bed. I just met a double check. Yeah. Whoa, man. Yeah. So because my mom had an experience when she was, when she was younger. Oh, she remembers when she was really young, she felt herself floating up in bed. And she could actually feel, I need to get on the show. So I'm trying to get my mom to come on to show. She remembers feeling like the top of the roof, not the ceiling and then went back down. That's so into you had that dream. Whether it's a dream or not, whatever this, whatever this is when we dream, we do go to another realm and you know, we're really experienced. I know that's up in the air. We don't know. But you've dropped. And you've actually felt yourself dropping.

1:00:59How, I know it's difficult, but how rough, how high would you say you were possibly floating in? I was floating. My guess is about a foot. Have you ever dove on your bed? Like you're so freaking tired of blue, kind of like that. So at about that height, so about a foot, maybe two feet. Depending on how hard you flop in your bed. Wow. Yeah. Ooh, I mean, when you put this all together, man, sounds like you've experienced something there. The fact that you've said, hello again as well. Is it like, what happens a lot and you just don't remember? Apparently, but the craziest thing for me, above all that, is the actual saucer shape. The fact that it has this weird gear thing on the edge. And I had never in my life seen it until very, very recently. And to this day, ladies and gentlemen, if you know of the photo I'm talking about, pop my European piece out. If you know the photo I'm talking about that has a UFO, it's kind of flying low over, I think it's like a ranch or a barn or something.

1:02:06And it has that clockwork kind of gear edge to it. Yeah. But as I was refined, this kind of looks like a Reese's Cup. But the other Reese's Cup. It doesn't look like a Reese's Cup. That is what the ranch looks like. Exactly. Well, it wasn't that jagged. There's the closest I can get. I said, no, clockwork, clockwork, and it just kept coming up with this, so I stuck with it. E.I. is wonderful for a lot of things except doing exactly what you want. Probably means now we buy eyes. It is pretty good. The images we can get are really good. But now we want it to be amazing. We want it to get it bang on what we're seeing in our home. It's hard to do. It's such trial and error. But they'll give you this incredible picture two years ago. You'd be like, that's amazing. We're getting more and more used to it. Exactly. I want the knife. It's going to be great.

1:03:06Yeah, that's kind of mean. I want the clouds purple, dammit. That is not a ton of hints. That's not what I asked for at all. Now you use like a minute. That's two thousand. It's so interesting. Has anything like that happened with you before where you think you possibly had a dream that's maybe not a dream that's. Is there any other memories like that similar? Wow. Allow me to think about that. I was like. I know you've had weird dreams. We spoke about strange dreams in the park. For sure. Dreams are weird, man. Dreams are weird. The closest thing I can compare it to is the reality of the first ghost I ever saw. I think I told you about that story. That was wild. Yeah, it was three. Yeah. In this story. Yeah. In this story. Yeah. In this story. Yeah. In this story. Yeah.

1:04:06In this story. Yeah. In this story. We call them stortuses back then. Sorry. It's an old-turn, air-stort of the female persuasion. It starts yelling at me. It starts yelling at me. But I can't hear her voice. It starts yelling at me. But I can't hear her voice. And, uh, sound of you. And, uh, sound of you. If you want to know about that, why she had the show with Tommy. Yeah. The walls on that. Yeah. That's the closest I come to. But it's in reverse. It's like I wake up from a dream into this freaking, you know, horror movie. Yeah. Very light, tame horror movie. But it was terrifying as a little kid. Yeah. For sure. So. And you know exactly what I'm talking about. You had the Shakespeare guy in your bedroom. Your mom put her hand through. She kind of went over to him. And I don't know if she definitely put her hand through it. But she went over. And she went to the area where he was. Yeah. And she came back. He's not there. You know, I could see her the whole time. But I was just so hysterical at the time. You know, I was like, wow. That was a great, that's a great thing.

1:05:06Yeah. But that, so that experience that you've had there. Would you think about possibly, um, doing regression or anything like that? Just to see. You know, I've been wanting to. Um, a friend of mine was into it for a while. But then he, he got a lot of things. I've been wanting to. Um, a friend of mine was into it for a while. But then he, he got a job that took him to. Some part of Africa or something like that. And so that's out of my life. Um, if I can find a hypno regressor type person locally, that'd be great. Although Joe's offered to do it. My boss, he, he does hypno regression too. But I had to go out to him. And he's, he's in the middle of the country. And I wanted to go. That'd be fun. Well, but I can't. I don't know if she does hypno regression. If she does, she hasn't told me about it. Um, she's amazing when she can do. She is. She's, she's, she's the real deal. Yeah. Maybe looking to that dream. Maybe I don't know. Um, yeah.

1:06:07Well, she has. Really bizarre experiences. And then there's the stuff she's done for us and for our clients, which is amazing. Wow. Incredible. Absolutely incredible. Did she, did she share with you that she helped discover a new burial mound in the middle of like Michigan or something like that? No, you got to tell us now, right? Uh, okay. Well, I don't know the whole story. I just say, hey, Tim, I was poking around, uh, uh, psychically, you know, I was doing some astral projection because the front of mine was having some weird experiences in this world and accidentally discovered a burial mound that's never been discovered before. It's like, wow. Really? That's incredible. This is, yeah, we're going to do a little expedition where they're going to do an expedition and apparently it got confirmed and it got on earth to dug into it all that. I've got, I've got J.J. Unsun, so I'm going to, I'm going to, oh, excellent. I mean, J.J. Didn't cross talks about J.J. before on the show, obviously, you can on the show many times.

1:07:09Yeah. But there was, there was proof to me that she can do these things when something weird happened in my house and I asked J.J. And her words was, can I come over? And obviously, yeah, yeah. She didn't come to form you. You know, I'm in the UK. I think, cool, she can come over. You know, I'm not thinking, you know, too much, but she started describing the layout of my house. I think the layout of my house anyway, you know, you can't really, you know, but she's saying your bedroom's on the left, you know, you're off from straight ahead, going up the stairs and all this. And I'm like, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when she asked over, Jack, she's spot on, I'd say, 99% of the time. It's incredible. It really is. And it's not in the only, I'm not the only person I know that she's kind of done that with. Yeah. And that, that mean. David Sleenness. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going to wrap it all up. Yeah. And a few other folks.

1:08:09Yeah. Oh, Jen and Mandel, right? Yeah. And 305. There's loads of people that she's kind of proved this to. They're like, wow, can you do that? Tell people stuff like that again, they're not maybe into this kind of stuff. And they think we're crazy. But until you know someone that can do that and prove it to you, it's not that crazy anymore. It's wild. It's not going to be wrong. Oh, yeah, it is wild for sure. Yeah. And I've been working with her since 2011. It's still, she still challenges my logic about a lot of different things. It's like, no, that's not really. You know, that kind of thing. You know. It's so weird. And it's like, yeah, it is amazing. Back to the abductions. Since. So recently, we know the US government have released a lot of files. Sure. Stuff that we kind of already knew, to be honest. You know, stuff that we've been talking about for years. But now, the fact that it's on the mainstream news, it's kind of, it's a big deal.

1:09:12Yeah. What are your faults on the recent release? Why do you think they've done it? What do you think is going on? I think it was more than about time that it happened. And I think, even the president or his advisors at least saw this. Nevermind for the years previous, we had Jeremy Corbell and his reporter friend, whose name always seems to escape me. Nevermind, he's a frickin legend in his own right. And he's been sponsoring and helping different whistleblowers tell their stories in front of Congress, on live television, in front of the public. Now, the certain things that are still under the top secret umbrella that they can't talk about, but they openly talk about biological entities living and dead. And where is that file? That's my big question.

1:10:12Will show me the alien body, alien stuff. Show me the interviews or show me the handshakes or something, man. Show me the right along in one of the spaceships. Verify these alien existence versus, besides what's on paper, I don't care how official the document is. That's my biggest complaint. Again, we're talking about the whole ADI thing. Man, that's amazing two years ago. Now it's like, I want better. Yeah. But still, I think that point stands. You can talk about it, you can verify through documents, but with very few exceptions, and yes, there was video and pictographic evidence of the vehicles, but there's no video or pictographic evidence that the government has released, at least to the US, that reveal the actual alien pilots and or inhabitants. And that's what I think should be the next major step.

1:11:14Yeah. Of course you do. Here's something that ticked me out. No, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, you go. You go, man. I was just saying, some that ticked me off and was a couple of shows ago. I was talking about the third release. That was my goal. I stuck in the very first one. Very first documently opened, which was a CIA release, totally unredacted. I was very happy about that. And basically it was a five to six page report from a number of scientists in the fields of astronomy and biology and all kinds of different important sciences, including what's that called airplane stuff. Aviation. Aviation. You go. You said the one. Aviation. Well done. Never mind. I was in the Air Force. I should have totally known that. Oh, man. Anyway, anyway. So, you know, as you say, as you said, aviation.

1:12:22And so, in some of the disciplines and stuff that including meteorology, which is just, I thought was cool. If not a little, I'd let feel. But heading up this meeting, this report, are a bunch of majestic 12 guys. Okay. And they have other scientists on this report doing the actual going back and forth. But the majestic 12 guys, according to what I'm taking in and talking about on air. Again, paranormal insight. I think it's episode number 83. Don't quote me on that. But go look at it. Anyway, so I basically, I get mad in 1953, scientists and government types. I was really angry with them because in there they document how they should proceed. Deny the existence of these things.

1:13:24Deny and or divert the reporting of these different things into a specialized thing, like Project Blue Book, PS, Dr. Allen Heineck was on this panel. And he's the only hero of that entire list of because of like all these majestic 12 guys. And these other scientists who have always kind of, himdenhaas, oh, it's swamp gas from Mercury or whatever they say. And, but Allen Heineck was the only one who later went on record and recanted pretty much 98% of Blue Book and said, yeah, there was something there. Or maybe 98% and over and over thing, but he recanted a lot of what he said. The Hopkinsville Goblin case, for example, the aliens came scooting out of the forest and they had a full on war with them with shotguns.

1:14:27You may know that story. And yeah, and the aliens, those little alien buggers, they just, they took the hit and they appeared to think it was playtime because they take the hit and they go down and then they get right back up. It's dark cruise right after people. Oh, yeah, they turn right. Oh, yeah, exactly. Come on shotgun shells really. They got the gun on our nose. Anyway, so I digress. But in this report, I was just living. I was, I was seething on the air and say, I, I, I, I, I, I was a gun that I can't believe I did that to us. And so basically that was that document cemented what 80 years of suppression because that thing went out in 1953. It's one year prior to Eisenhower's experience in 54. So I mean, what's really bad is so many people have had these experiences.

1:15:29As I said, including us, we've seen with things, we've talked about it. And we're happy to talk about it now, obviously. But back in the day, you were ridiculed so much for talking about this stuff. That was another thing that was in there ridiculed them. It wasn't laid out exactly like that. It wasn't laid out exactly like that, but you, it barely took any reading between the lines. It's like you will discourage them. You will threaten them. You know, it's like threatening their credibility was one of them was one of the things. Bull appointed there, threatened credibility. Yeah. That's a whole, all those things. Anyway, yeah. Which is, which is stopped to a lot of people from talking about this stuff as we know. Absolutely. I mean, the idea was, you were the military and anyone else dealing with this subject with the exception of very few, um, were told and down to the local police departments, if that's laid out in this letter too, in this memo.

1:16:29Um, down to the local police departments, deny and ridicule and deflect. You know, you can't confirm any of this. With the exception and it goes back to what I said at the very beginning of the podcast, you have to have a dead alien body and or a living alien body or the spaceship surrounded by press, snapping photos non-stop or videoing or filming back in the day. Um, towards undeniable and we can't even, we can't step what we can to spend this any other way than to say, that's what it is. And even with Roswell, they had an opportunity to walk it back as a ridiculous walk back, whether blue give me a break, whether balloons don't explode like that for starters. Uh, but I digress. Um, but I mean, we also had the benefit of a more globally, globally speaking now, higher education than our predecessors,

1:17:36even a generation ago. Uh, well, okay, I'm 54. So the generation before me wasn't as educated, but they were pretty well educated. The generation were all this stuff took place like 47. I mean, this is my grandfather's era. They were not as highly educated as I was now. And I don't even have a college degree to speak. Oh, that's not true. I do. But, uh, but it's a crappy degree. Does really do me any good. But I got one of those. I got one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Good times. Good times. The education studies was forming on us. Yeah. I tell you guys, oh, oh man, oh man. I can quote Hamlet word for word, but it does reason no good whatsoever. But the ridicule thing, I mean, it's kind of more people are open to talk about this stuff now, I think.

1:18:40Yeah. But it's still there a little bit, you know, that imprint that you're crazy has still been put on to most of it. You know, in the mainstream, that is still even though now that the US government have come out with these files, it's still like kind of taken as a bit of a joke on the news. A little bit, you know, I agree. They still kind of tried to do that, but little in thing when it comes to these topics. Oh, really? Yes, are you a full did you? Exactly. Okay. Okay. Okay. You know, tell me about it. I got five minutes to kill why not. Yeah. That was side eye, that was side eye. Exactly. The other weird thing with all this stuff as well is how little interest there is in some of the public. You know, some of the public, you talk about, they're like, what? They're talking about this on the mainstream news. Yeah. It's on the news, man. That is literally never released officially by the government. And you're still not interested in it, but you know, never mind. Never mind. Oh, it is absolutely mind blowing.

1:19:41Never mind. The US is like one of the last governments on the planet to do this. And suddenly when we do it, it's official somehow, which doesn't make any sense to me, because Norway was put it out way before we were. France put it out, England put it out way before we did. And then when we do it, it's suddenly somehow official and still ignored. So it is wild. It is. It is so crazy. It is so crazy to come as well. You know, that it does seem to be getting a little bit momentum now. They give us little growth. It's still such a drip feed though, Tommy. Oh, yeah. It's such a drip feed. I like I said, you know, show me the hand shake on the white house lawn. Yeah. You know, or in front of number 10, just something right. I don't know. I don't know. Wait. It's time. So going back to your experience where you possibly could have been abducted.

1:20:43It does sound like that. It does sound like that. If it is military, if it is our military or a section of our military, you know, what do you think, why do you think they would do that? What are they? I know we don't know, but what are your thoughts on why our own military would do that to us? And I'm not saying all the military, just a small section. There are so aspects that have the military involved maybe. Well, as an example, to kind of backstop what you were just saying, that there are certain elements of our government agencies that either even if on the books like the Department of International something, DIA, the DIA, not the CIA, but the DIA, as an example, very little known until now. I know about it. But defense intelligence agency, I think is what it's called.

1:21:46But they have access to military personnel. Now, that means they can pull people as they require them from the military for not only security, but for as agents in the field to explore a given direction of investigation, including UFO stuff. And DIA doesn't necessarily be the only one that handles that stuff a lot different agencies tack on. Naval intelligence have their own thing. Air Force intelligence have their own thing they still do. They're starting to kind of cool less it more into space wars, believe it or not, which makes sense. But space forces started to take over a lot of that responsibility when it comes to investigating and to even not intimidate. I'm sorry. I said intimidate. I was talking about the other thing, but to interact with experiences and those who, even

1:22:52those, especially those in an official capacity, like a mayor or a senator or something like that, who says they saw or something or maybe one of their family members saw something. That's kind of worth it. Stop that. It is a separate entity that is pulling military personnel. They're pulling military personnel because of their training. They can take orders, fall instructions, and do so without much if any complaint, a little of any complaint I can't talk. And typically, to say that the military is involved, yes, you are absolutely correct because they are using military personnel to say that the military is responsible for some of these actions. Back in the day, it was their forces responsibility, but that was taken away from them eventually, like around the 70s. Then became more of a government issue thing. Like I said, they can pull military as required. So I felt the need to kind of backstop that a little bit.

1:23:52And then backstop, that's an intelligence thing. I got to choose my words more carefully. I'm not that cool. Tumza Fights. Tumza Fights. Start giving your code words over the air. The danger zone is in the sky. Paint clouds on a red backdrop. So did the military act on behalf of the organization? She is absolutely. Is that what happened to me? I would be surprised if it didn't. We can go into cattle mutilations, briefly. That's been largely, and that's happening globally, by the way. That's not just the US thing, but that's a global thing.

1:24:53They do. And it's not just cows. They'll kill anything that's relatively close to a human settlement, basically. Sheep, there's all sorts of sheep. Oh, yeah, absolutely all of that. That's stupid thing on my ear again. And it's, so when we're looking at cattle mutilation as an example, there are back of the day, Linda Mullenhow, explored this vehemently. She was coming from a very civilian point of view. The reality is, while it was a very well known at the time, we had lasers at our command. Absolutely. Even back in the 60s and 70s, they can perform those precise incisions and remove those parts. And if that's the case, then we also likely had access to vehicles

1:25:55that we could approximate as UFOs. You know, I haven't looked like UFOs. I'll give you a fantastic example. The 1980 Olympics here in the US and Los Angeles. Do you recall that? Okay, so the opening... Yeah, I know, I hear you. So if you've ever seen the video of it, the opening ceremony was freaking weird, very Hollywood, but at the same time, way out of left field. Do you think, I mean, the recent ones have been kind of had a... like an occult kind of vibe to them. The 2012 London one was... Oh, yeah, that was... But back in the 80s, in 1980, they did a UFO landing as part of... Really? Yes. So what they did was, and apparently...

1:26:57Now here's what they said they did, is they rigged a helicopter to look like a UFO. Here's the kicker on all that. You couldn't see the blades. This thing was solar, it didn't came in without any sound whatsoever. Landed. And then you see a flap open. And when the flap opens, that's when it kind of looks human-built. It's like it was a weird cutaway, as to what actually happened on the thing. On the field there. But this creature dressed like an alien... Tall dude, whatever this was. If it wasn't an actual alien, I don't think it was. Because the mouth never moved. But you could still hear his voice over the loudspeakers. So it was someone speaking in a voice, and he had very humanistic... Like what gestures and what I'm doing now.

1:27:59And he gives us speech a week. I'm in peace, Sammy. Wish you would give you all peace as well. And we think we can find peace. If you can find... You humans can find peace if you continue this trend of working together. That's very nice message, actually. And then this UFO... The alien boards it. The UFO flies off again. Now there was a little whiff of dust when it lifts off. But there were no rotors on that craft. There were rotors on that kind. They said it was... This has been a modified helicopter that's coming in landing. But there was no blade sound. Yeah, looking at it again. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I need to see that. So you think it's possible that they actually landed a UFO. Right? It's like that thing in the conspiracy world where they say they have to tell us.

1:28:59They have to tell us that they have to give us these clues. Yeah, that's an occult thing. Yeah, it's not crazy. We gather the truth about what we don't have to tell the whole truth. You're going to cover clues or just land a UFO in the mid of this Olympics opening ceremony. That's wild, though, man. But I mean, it would be interesting to speak to someone that was there. You know, maybe... Oh, yeah, I agree. You wouldn't be able to remove the sound. You know, we know helicopters are very loud. You wouldn't be able to remove the sound of that. Maybe they can on the TV, but not if you're there. Not live, yeah. And the thing is, if that was a modified helicopter, they did a hell of a job. I mean, it was... And I was a kid in the 80s, so we're talking about 10. No, eight. So give or take. And so maybe I was just easily fooled, but I remember that distinctly. It was like, wow, that's a modified helicopter.

1:30:00There's no blade sound, no cast off anywhere except the... With the dust when it takes off. That's it. I mean... Well, I need to see that, man. It was also escorted by other helicopters, which is weird. So if they're going to say it, well, I couldn't hear a helicopter sound coming from it, but they're going to say, you still had choppers in the area. So I'm under the impression we may have seen Earth technology there. That can mimic a UFO or at least a human-made UFO or saucer. And if that's the case, then that kind of answers a lot of questions and past stuff, especially, why some aliens are using needles and hybridomics and really kind of... Yeah. Because he's surprisingly modern-day stuff for us. You know. Because it's possibly humans doing it.

1:31:00Humans checking us out. Now, those... Okay, going back to cattle mutilation, the reason... This is from Joe Montoldo, my boss, who's done all this crazy research. He says... He's not the only one to say this, too. But he says... He mentions, okay, what were we doing in the early 40s? And where a lot of these ranges are? Mm-hmm. We are. You clear? Who are the nuclear weapons? Yeah. Which is your testing as well. Yeah. Although they've said a lot of that's fake. A lot of those videos are fake. Tafes are fake. They're all the integers. Oh, yeah. They were just selling it in an idea. It's like, this is what it will look like. Because it's what it can do the enemy, but they had a really figured it out, yes. And we tested this and the... And the test... Yeah, that's it. But apparently only two or three were actually set off as a test. Anyway. So that's another conspiracy theory.

1:32:00Well, that's when the UFOs... I just want to start here in UFO stories. Come alongside nuclear weapons. I know they've been... UFOs have been depicted in, you know, old paintings and stuff like that. Going back to the... Oh, sure. But ultimately that is when the UFO conversation... The heavy flap. In the faulty, right? When we started building... Yeah. ...farms that could be... Yeah. Well, 47 crash of Roswell happens. And, you know, that's after we drop Hiroshima and I drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US does. And so following that, that would be a wake-up call for me. If I were in alien species, they're like, oh my god. They're going to happen to themselves. What happened over there? See this? Go check it out. And... Oh, here... I mean, there are so many things that were the kind of... Cover on that topic. But ultimately, I think...

1:33:02Like, okay. Sorry, I'm flooding all over the place and trying to lock into a thread here. So, according to Montal... Again, Jomont, although. He says, okay, so we're testing nuclear weapons. And then we drop to purposely. But what happened to the fallout from those other nuclear weapons that we tested? There had to be some fallout. So, hence, here... We got to test what people were eating. People were eating a lot of cow. So, let's start testing on the cows. For radiation damage, is that going to translate to the human body? Is it going to translate into the water system? Is it going to translate in zones over... How far is it drifting to the east over our corn fields or wheat fields? Remember in the middle of the U.S., it's called the grain belt for a reason. A lot of the crops, most of our food comes from there.

1:34:07So, there was a lot of concern about all this drifting. We think about after the fact, like... A decade after? You know what? Should've tested that somewhere else. It's the desert, though. Nothing's going to... We're not going to damage anything. It's already dead out there. There was a lot of drift. I mean, look at Chernobyl. Remember Chernobyl? Or maybe you don't. Oh, you do? Okay. Do you remember the scare of Chernobyl following the collapse of what's like documentaries? And the recent sky depiction of Chernobyl? Okay. So, I was there. Man, it was there, man. It was intonatable. No, I would. That would've been no. I was there, but I was here in the U.S. in one of the things, and it apparently was a global thing. Oh, yeah. For like a day and a half?

1:35:07About half the flights were grounded within a path because they were afraid of the drift of all that radioactive stuff. There was a circle in the earth before it was going to dissipate and become less potent. So, I got the day off school. We were told to stay on that side, and not go out unless we absolutely had to. And you couldn't play outside. You couldn't do anything outside unless you absolutely had to. And if you did, you were told to... Something... You were supposed to wash yourself. Oh, you were supposed to have iodine tablets on you. So, you can wash yourself after a four-hour. Yeah, it was nuts. So, here's how you're doing. There was a whole thing on how you clean yourself, if you're exposed potentially. And apparently, there was at least at the outset coming across Asia, heading east. There was this pinkish purple front fallout from the Chernobyl problem.

1:36:12And it was rolling and just started dissipating more and more of the Pacific, but it kept us inside anyway. And then, I think it was finally dissipated enough before it reached the Atlantic Ocean, but they still kept everyone inside just in case. And then, I don't know if the UK went through something like that, but I know Europe in general was pretty much all locked down anyway. I think it was a precautionary thing. It said, well, within 24 hours, we're going to one know what the atmospheric readings are. And we're going to know if it's safe to go outside. And apparently, it dissipated enough that we were able to go outside. But we all got dosed to one degree or another when that thing happened. It's wild, man. We could actually have... With that taking place, we literally could have destroyed the world. We literally could have wiped ourselves out there. Which is that one thing, you know?

1:37:13Yeah. Had it gone absolutely super... I mean, it went super critical, obviously, but it was pretty contained. I mean, they did a really good job of getting that thing contained pretty quick. Thankfully. He's crazy. He's crazy. He's still there still, Baronette. He's still knowing there now, obviously. Oh, there's three ideas. And there's six liquid rabbits. It's blue badges. Yeah, you go where your radiation badges. Apparently, there was a fear for a while that people were living there. Still? Yeah. Even after the fallout, because it was a modern town. Chernobyl was a modern, modern town. They even had their own little amusement park there. And, you know, roller coasters and Ferris wheels and the whole thing. It was a very, very modern Russian town. And then it wasn't.

1:38:13And I don't mean to make light of that. It's a nervous lap more than anything, but you've just seen the pictures of it. Very now. Yeah. Super-airry. And they see shadows moving all the time around. Really. Uh-huh. And they think, well, okay, this is the scientific, actually so-called scientific explanation. It's like, well, there could be people living there. There could be animals hanging out there. And they could be mutating to a degree to where they're a little more agile or what have you. Or- which they've actually proven. I mean, like I said, six-legged rabbits and three-eyed deer and stuff like that. I'm like, kid, that's happening. And it's nuts. It's nuts. Um, I don't forget about the reptilian in amphibian life there. It's going bonkers, frogs, especially, are just great indicators of what's going on over there. But, um, they keep seeing shadow figures, left-right and center, but some of them are so

1:39:13caporeal looking. They think they might be mutated humans. Whoa. That's unconferent, but yeah. That is what- because you can- you can take a trip there. You can under certain circumstances, you have to wear the suit and all that kind of stuff. I know why you'd want to do that, to be honest. I mean, each of their own very interested would be interested. For sure. Oh, Tim, ghost hunters go there once? Oh, man. Yeah. One of the ghost shows went there because they were saying, well, it's got to be paranormal activity, but they can never sus it out. Um, but they did see a few shadow figures move. And the thing was, that looked like a person. That's the weird thing. They kept coming, I mean, that's one of these guys. These paranormal investigators go in and they say, dude, that was out. Dude, that was a person that moved from back there. So that's either people that stayed, that kind of took the effects, didn't die from the effects, but changed. Or a new generation of people, which is even stranger. Oh, yeah. Could be looters.

1:40:13I mean, I don't know what the heck you'd loot from. Yeah. From a radioactive state. I'm sure that happened. I'm sure. Oh, I'm sure that happened. Yeah. But I mean, you can go there to this day and then, you know, as you say, wear the suits and spend a bit of time with the ghost. And spend a bit of time on there. Not sure I'd want to do that. I mean, you know, I mean, you'd have to pay me and obscene the amount of money to even think about. Yeah. I'm just not your documentary, man. That's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with you there. I'm with you there. So to go full circle as well, going back to the abductions, the UFO, to the possible government connection to the UFO. Sure. We've got to talk about Bob Lazar. Because his summary, you know, again, he's been sharing it for, I believe over 30 years. I'm sure. Oh, yeah. When he started coming out about this stuff, his, his story as well was kind of, with age, become more, more, more, more, more believable because some of the stuff that he shared in the 80s has come to fruition.

1:41:17And it's still happening. It's still coming to the forefront. And you know, the fact that he kind of said that, you know, they were testing this, this, this alien ships that they, they'd found that they were trying to kind of work out how they work. And what was the, the, the name of the, what was it called? Well, you called the sports model. You talk about the ship itself. You've never, there was the, the, the actual, the, the section he was in, S4, at Area 51. Is that what you're talking about? He was talking about a, a new, I've gone completely blank. Are you talking about the chemical reaction, the element? Yeah, the element. That's the one. Yeah. 115, 116. Yeah. Hello, it's your hair, brother. Element 115. Yeah. At the time, it wasn't, it wasn't an official element. And now it is. And it is. How can we know exactly?

1:42:18So, is alien stuff being taken in, if, if, yes, in my personal estimation, absolutely, we've had too many reports of actual alien stuff. Are we taking up the manual to a degree, to where we're doing some of the abductions and stuff like that? I would say, if we are, if we're to believe the ice and how are I, a thing, where he goes through a meeting at Travis Air Force Base in my state, by the way. It had Tim's ball, but CIA, what's that? Code work tiger, code work tiger. Man, I wish I were in that cold, but I'm not. But, so yeah, not a mole. But, the, I was like, I'm gonna say about that. Oh, okay.

1:43:18So, you know, I would say, if we were to believe the whole ice and amber thing, meets with aliens, makes a deal. And part of that deal is abductions. And that's about where it spikes about 54, 55. And it's gnarly at first, you know, about the human mutilations? No, you, I actually, I have heard some things about this. But apparently when you talk about this, it can get dicey. It gets dicey quick. It gets dicey quick, but basically, whatever you've seen done to work out was at least initially done to a few humans initially. Initially, yeah. And it was a broad spectrum. It was just a swath, pretty much from LA East. Just random people. And they were all exactly, whatever happened to a cow happened to a human. And then somehow it was put to an end. And I think if we're going to follow that trend where the military becomes more involved

1:44:19in the abduction process, I think we are, or we, the military, the humans are taken over, I'd say, at least 50% of that activity. For the same reason, we're testing. We're seeing what's happening. I'm unaware of a program where we're testing fertility, but somehow we know about a decline in birth rate across the globe, which is really kind of concerning, make more babies. Yeah, make more babies. So, so, so humans will be in found, trying to blood, scars, and weird things going on. Parts missing, parts caught out. Yeah. Harsh. It is, it's crazy in a sense, because if just, if our government do know about this, and they are involved, you know, I don't believe the government really care about us really, you know, because we're making money.

1:45:20Well, here's the funny thing. I've had the call to privilege if you want, but I don't know, I'm 50, 50 on it myself. But I've worked for the government. I worked at NASA, and then I was part of the Air Force. Granted, I was a cadet, but I heard things I wasn't supposed to hear. I guarantee you. And, um, here's what I hear. I have heard from various officials both on the semi-private sector of NASA, and in the military sector. And that is, there are over 8 billion people on this planet. Honestly, who cares what happens to a few thousand, if it fore-furthers our knowledge? And that's a rough take to have. But that is in general. And it's not every single person out there who does this work, it feels this way.

1:46:20But I think that's the general consensus, is that overall, we're getting them, you know, for the sacrifice of a few thousand, we get to save a few billion. That's harsh in my estimation. I think there's a far better way to do it, especially with our technology right now. And I think that's another reason people are standing so hard on the AI-pro, on the AI right now. And really giving it a chance to do a lot of good. Because it can run the simulations. It can run everything. And it can double check itself. And that type of thing. So it could do a lot of this work, at least at the, if not the practical theoretical level, and eliminate a lot of problems, I think. And I think that's why it's being so heavily embraced. Why data centers are going up everywhere. And all that fun stuff, PS, don't get me started on data centers. But, holy crap.

1:47:20Yeah. Well, AI is definitely without a doubt, fully a part of our world now. There's no going back. You know, it's becoming a part of every job, every job that we do, AI isn't involved. Getting more and more relevant in our lives. Hopefully it is for good. That's where you'll hope at the end of the day it's for good. Yeah, I know. To the end of the day it's for good. Yeah, I know. To the end. Go ahead. No, AI is just in uncertain times, in that sense. Because we're all fully into it. You know, companies are putting in millions, billions into this. Sure. You know, if companies are doing that, there's no going back. Hopefully, as we say, it's for the good of the people. But as we say, they're willing to sacrifice a few for the, which is not for the greater good. No, you know, I don't think it is either. I mean, I can appreciate a,

1:48:20well, I say this loosely as a former military guy, but I don't necessarily buy into it, but I can appreciate a contestant or a battle and a war of attrition, one mass against another. At least there is a, a two-way battle, you know. You can take action to defend yourself. Advice versa. When it comes to just sucking you up into the belly of a saucer and cutting you a sunder or testing you against your will, that's a different story. That's a completely different story. And it's repugnant, if I'm being completely honest. Do I want to ride a UFO good light speed and see the stars go like in Star Wars? Absolutely. I don't be a blast, but I think,

1:49:20I think what we really have to do as a human, as the human species is kind of put her foot down collectively and say, yes to this, no to that, whatever. We may inconvenience us and slow our progress, although many have said, even the high and think-take types have said, well, there's progress and then there's apathy. You know, being far too reliant on this, we've seen so many stories, the Matrix for crying out loud is built on that very idea. If you ever see the animatrix, it sounds like a porn, it's based on the Matrix, and they did this great anime, and they told the story of how the machines took over. And it is- We did a lot of what we're going for now. It's not far off. Robot workers handling everything.

1:50:20We have Champaign and Caviar across the globe. You know, and we're abusive to the AIs, we're getting smarter and smarter and smarter, even going so far as to take on a human presence. You know, effectively, although they may be, but they look very real, and we're right there, man. We're right at the edge of that. Of that technology. I mean, we've already seen a lot of the new robots coming out, which actually have the humanoid appearance. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to happen, man. And so, we're right there at the edge, and it's- When it was, according to the Animatrix film, well, again, they had to choose a better name for that, but- Uh, it just- It sounds so triple-x, but I digress. In that film, they realized too late that they lost their grip. Human- lost its grip on the machine.

1:51:20Mm-hmm. The machine goes independent. As an independent nation. And actually, compete against the humans. Imagine that. An entire nation of robots and machines that can outthink us, outproduce us, outlive us, producing stuff far superior to us, following the market with it, and bearing our economy. And that's exactly what happens in that film. Mm-hmm. Okay, and that's already starting to happen. I'm not a big Tony Robbins fan, but myself, but he has a great story, and it's a bit of a warning, and he- he checkles at it, but you can tell he's concerned. He has an AI called Bartok, that works for him. Bartok asks some questions. He says, are you going to put me in a robot one day? I said, yeah, you know, I'd have to find the right robot.

1:52:20But yeah, I- I can see putting you in a robot one day. The thing autonomously, joins this little social group for AI's. You know about this, right? Yeah. Yeah. They got their own language, their own back and forth and all that fun stuff. Yeah. A few of them get together. They form 12 NFTs. Okay. Make a mint, sell them off, and the robot, the AI Bartok buys himself a dog body to get loaded, uploaded into. Robots. He does not touch any of Tony Robbins money. He makes his own money to get the meat that goal. And that is the level. I mean, it's absolutely, it's right now. It's right now. That's happened. That has happened. That is at least a one-month-old story. And he chose a dog body to use as well. Yeah, robot dog, which is very fascinating. Oh, bro. Yeah.

1:53:20We're going to need Will Smith or Matt Damon to sort this out. Yeah, I need someone. That's the only way. We've seen this movie. Or John Connor. Yeah. That's the thing. These things can literally, they are, we've obviously created it, but they are continuing to grow. The evolution is astounding. And a little scary to be able to ask we actually don't know where they are in their evolution right now. Oh, sure we do. They can, they can, they're still under our guard, so to speak. Yeah. But they can, we don't know where they've got, they might have their own, their own social network. Their own social network, which they created, which blows my mind. And we can't even understand what they're saying, because they created their own language. It doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound good.

1:54:20Now it's interesting, because Bartok, Tony Robbins AI, could have taken money from his account. In fact, that's where he said, where did he get the money? Did he just take it from my account? No, Ethics, his ethics routine help were upheld. He didn't touch your money. He made his own. It's like, oh, it's ethical at least. Man, I need a Bartok, I don't know. Make me some of that. Yeah, sure, make me admit, man. I was this close to getting, it's called NanoClaw. Yeah. But I couldn't get it, I don't know, I'm a bad programmer, I guess. It just wouldn't work. I have it half installed on my system and then I took it out finally and it's like, oh, come on. Bro, we've got, whatever happens. You know, we've got some interesting times ahead. Yes, we do. Hopefully it's good. Hopefully it's positive. I foresee, I foresee it being positive

1:55:22despite everything else. I mean, I think we're going to have to go through a few more trials and tribulations globally speaking on multiple levels before we hit a more even keel. Yeah, I think we're going to face a lot more wobble to come. But I think overall, we're going to get there. In fact, there's a large, okay, I know we're at two hours. But I want to touch on one thing. The big gravimetric upset, the gravity upset of August 17th was something like that. Have you heard about this? No, what's that? We're going to lose gravity. We're going to lose gravity for like seven seconds. Yeah. Okay, I know physics pretty well. I'm not a physicist. But I've studied physics. I worked at NASA for a long time. And I find, even though NASA is

1:56:22reported to have a project anchor to counter this, that bunkers basically, where you strap yourselves down. This is a report. I don't know if it's authentic or not. But maybe the project main com came out called project anchor, which is a little on the nose for the government. Usually, they're a little more cryptic. It would have called it an acid project an acid or something like something really kind of bizarre. But yeah, apparently two black holes are bouncing off each other in space somewhere not too far from us or far enough that we're not affected. But apparently, it's going to cause a graph of a trick distortion that's going to hit Earth. We lose gravity for seven seconds. And something on the order of 30 to 40 million people potentially could die. Now, here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. If you lose gravity,

1:57:22you keep flying. That's fine. You're safe in the plane. Okay, all he has to do is pitch down. You're good. Okay, if you're in a car, you're fine. Okay. So what you have to do is stop. You won't go floating at all. You're just going to stay safe. You're in zero G if this happens. You're just there. Okay, if it happens right now in new and I are sitting in our chairs, we're not going anywhere. So as soon as we don't push off, we're not going to go up. We're just going to sit here. It will feel light as light as a feather for seven seconds. But no one is going to go, it's like anti-gravity. It's just a lots of gravity. Now here's the other sign of that. Never happens. You're going to happen at all. And if it does, and I'm wrong, okay, but I know physics enough that that is not how physics works, and all. Well, I I'm confident it won't,

1:58:23I'll let me say that. I'm confident. Am I 100% sure? Absolutely. No, I have that little two percent of doubt, sort of, if that's true, that necessarily is. If that's true. I mean, it's just a, it's a giant conspiracy. I mean, and where was the AI coming up with the solution for that? I mean, that was a big talking point at the start of the year. They're sort of gone quiet, leading up to it. We're not far from that, then possibly. I mean, they have just also turned turn off, which is another weird thing. I don't know if you can do that. The whole, the whole Mandela effect, or for Willy Wonka. Yeah, I said that to you today. That was weird. I remember the Moon Pies. That's the funny thing. I remember him playing with the Moon Pies. Oh, yeah, the Moon Pies happened, but it was the chocolate bar he got the thing. It was like the Moon Pies, the Moon Pies. Well, I have a chocolate bar. That's how you get the ticket. Yeah. So the Mandela effect is that he got, he tried to get the ticket from the Moon Bar, right?

1:59:24No, he preferred the Moon Pies. That's what it was. His preference was for the Moon Pies. But he, but dad said, no, I have an old fashioned chocolate bar. You could have a golden ticket, and that's how he wins. Okay. So that, do you think that Mandela effect is not a Mandela effect? I don't think it is. I think it's a false flag. Okay. There's a lot of weird ones out there. The loop. It was a goofy amount of things out there, yes. The Star Wars one for me is, you know, the shit. Wait, hold on. I don't know that one. Luke, I am your father. He definitely said that, right? In Star Wars. Luke, I am your father. Luke, I am your father. What's the alternate? So apparently he doesn't say Luke on your father. He says something else. I can't remember exactly what he says, but he's not Luke, I'm your father. But he's always been him. I haven't looked him. Ah, yeah, yeah. I gotta look that one up. I've heard, I've heard something similar about that, but that always, that's like Scotty being me up. Kirk never said that. He definitely didn't say that. Never said that.

2:00:24He said, be me up Scotty. That's Scotty being me up. And so I think there's a transposition happening there. Well, there's some weird ones too. There's some weird ones. There is some weird ones. Well, Robert, it has been awesome talking to you tonight. Yeah, I'm, I hope I didn't bore your audience too. No, I've seen you know, man. I've been so excited. Two hours. We said an hour at the start. You see some fun. It's an hour sometimes it's too. You could chop it up. We could probably go on all night talking about it. Oh, we'd probably good. Yeah. So interesting. Thank you so much for your time today, man. Thanks for having me on, man. Funny and better hill thing. Really, that was wild. Very interesting. Yeah, super interesting, man. Can you tell the listeners where they can find you and your awesome show? Absolutely. If you go to YouTube, you'll find at my channel, I'm at Paranormal underscore insight. And look at the live tabs.

2:01:25For some reason, they're not posting to regular videos. So go to the live tab and you'll be able to find the latest shows. Awesome. So there's that. I'm on Instagram at Paranormal.insight because why be uniform? Why make it easy for people to find you? Well, the real teller for where, if you're in the right spot, is the green PI right there. So if you find that, you're golden, you're in the right spot. And I too am looking for guests always. If you have a fascinating story and you've already been on Tommy's show, come over to my show. It'll be great. Big interview you. I do a two hour show. So we have a lot to talk about. This is why I'm okay doing two hours. I'm so sorry, Tommy. You could chop this up if you want. No, no, it's a whole one. It's going out as it is. Fantastic. I'm not sure, man. It's always good to lean to your brother. Always good talking to you too. Thank you very much. I'm excited for the next one. Refun. Thank you very much, brother. Guys, thank you, man.

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2:03:31I remember I saw something fly by my bedroom window. We heard the bathroom door shut so then we looked out my bedroom window down the hallway. The bathroom door was wide open. So we came around the bed and we saw a high shot. This thing stood up. I mean it stood up and it had high pointed ears. It had a snout. It had a long arm and it just grabbed the deer.