Fat Joe is Apparently Black, Stephen A. Smith is Upset and Danielle Brooks & Walter Thompson-Hernandez Join the Show

0:00What is up? I learned his own in Zodn and Laketon, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and I. It was powered through. Yeah, the Ginzy Point. The Ginzy Point. Poppin. Which I'll do it over there. Yeah, which I'll like, fucking up the show. People say we're too hard on you all. How? What happened to you all? Spotlight. We're getting into it. I'm just going to say. It's a little bit of a hassle. It's like, I'm going to get out of here. We're getting into it. It's about the spotlight. Y'all haven't had it up since. We're just going to get it together, so it looks really nice. So, give us a little light. It has to be in the corner. You know, we want it to be professional. Look good. All the things. How are we, too? Who said that we're too hard on them? You know, they were. What they said. I think it's, where you're reading they said. Sometimes people write me. Sometimes I see comments. Oh, look at them. Yeah, I think that comments on YouTube. But I mean. What they said. What they said. What they said. What they say just talk about I think they say

1:01That you guys are the greatest auntie and uncle to the jeans Can y'all just pick that can we be real? I reviewed that like come on can we just say what it is that they say what did they say? She doesn't remember her bait and it was something like yeah, yeah, like pick on that we were picking You guys pick on us It's not tough love at all. I don't It's not tough love. It's just it's just love. It's just love We're gonna get through it, but I just for me I Would just like to know how you guys feel do you guys feel that we're too hard on you guys because I tell you something I'm from the 90s. Oh Boy see I already knew you was gonna go there They did you have to be fair. They did not say that I asked them if they're if they agree though

2:02Okay, so then if y'all don't agree Then y'all need to tell if y'all don't agree and by the way you can't agree You can always pull me to the side and be like vannes too much you and I'm gonna Respond and try to be better, but if y'all so if y'all agree didn't just agree You can't say we can't say except that answer But I can't though because this is the thing this is the reason why y'all have to understand That when I would be someplace As a youngster and I didn't like something. I would just say it be it here TMZ wherever the fuck it is And then you just roll whatever the consequences are so if y'all like a man straight up Don't treat us like this we the Z corner we need our light and our camera Just stand on your shit and I'll support you like people will support that more everybody everybody That's true and you are so appreciative in thank you Rachel Rachel Do you think that we said a good example for the younger generation?

3:04Absolutely, I think we do yeah, how could I say we don't I think we said a great job I feel like it was because it's a mutual respect type of thing. We don't see it at district What you mean as a mutual respect like you at we know that you respect this and we respect you We give out respect that would be a mutual respect that would be reciprocity All right Like getting into the show before we start can you push the hat just a little forward? I really want to and this isn't this is not a dig this is to help you look your best It's just sitting a little far back. It's just be a little up just a little Right I just this is all I will say Speaking of reciprocity I like it quality. I'm gonna do this But I'm gonna also say that you should not be able to you should you not you shouldn't be able to criticize and comment on my Parents because if I did that to you know if you told me no I need to know if I have something in my teeth

4:05I need to know if I have like a booger in my nose. I need to know like remember when you to know what the Freckles War and you said something like I need to know these things if my if I'm shiny It would be I need to know your freckles not freckling today. You need to pop the freckles out. I Okay, that's not how they would accept it that okay. Well, where are these where are these comments? I'm used to constructive criticism. I grew up in a household actually can't tell you something you take constructive Criticism better than almost anyone I've ever known I grew up with the judge Rachel thing Rachel you pull you to the side you try to eat lean into it Rachel goes no Let me have it. It's almost like I feed off of it like it's like a love language I'm like wait give me more like how can I be better? Yeah, true that is absolutely wrong. I might be Dr. Krausman this morning I said it's time. Oh you need to stop out of the crowd's man. It's time to come back to the mother fucking Krausman I haven't seen them in a while. I have other therapy that I've been doing

5:06No, man, it's like different type of therapy to untangle different things in my mind, you know going crazy or whatever Go all over the place, but like we have a great show today. We have Danielle Brooks and Walter Thompson Hernandez They're from the movie if I go Will they miss me which is a film that is drawing incredible critical claim? All over the place Rachel saw this movie sometime ago. She's like we have to have them on the podcast I saw it. I agree with Rachel great taste great film. It stars Danielle Brooks and Jay Alfonz who I think Is on his rise. Yeah, I've tried to remember was the first thing I saw him Key Valley Only I only watch a little bit of that. Yeah, he started out P Valley now he's in lanterns See him all over the place. Okay actor of considerable range Danielle Brooks and actress of amazing range Lover in the color purple lover in I didn't watch or watch oranges new because house first introduced to her but also

6:11For me peacemaker. This is a peacemaker show DC you show peacemaker. Oh, okay shows James gun DC you It will actually started off in the DC EU which was Zack Snyder's DC Universe and it was one of the only things that was ported over to the new along with the blue beetle I'll get into that later if JL fans have been here We did done a whole DC thing with them because he's he plays John Stuart senior in lanterns I thought lanterns was marvel. Okay, no lanterns is DC. Okay lanterns is DC. We're covering that on the midnight boys. It's going really well. Good Shout out to Vanessa Bay and Kelly who is the writer of the third episode of lanterns which phenomenal episodes out to everyone over there A show that's really really capturing people's imagination shows out to lanterns. All right. Let's get into the show Let's talk about the motherfucking inward. Let's go. I know everybody is what everybody's talking about You know, so let's just get into it right now inward Afro Latina Black Millie male carrying crates for millie male does that make you black? Let's discuss it

7:13Fat Joe is facing renewed backlash and sparking an old debate over his use of the inward after appearing on the Joe button podcast The Puerto Rican and Cuban rapper defended himself by pointing to his upbringing in the Bronx and lifelong Immersion in black and hip-hop culture. Let's see what he had to say you have these people who are not saying Saying you can't say things you can't represent hip-hop Him, him, y'all know that it was on him for like two weeks That because you don't come from that That you're not allowed to embrace the culture and you had a very strong opinion on y'all This is my culture too. We've also helped built it Do you feel like what's the question? I'm getting do you feel like there was any point where you were wrong and what you represented? Are you crazy? This is a no-brainer. Okay. This is a no-brainer. I grew up in hip-hop where they invented hip-hop guys I don't know if you could fathom that I'm from the block that invented hip-hop meli mal grandmaster flash

8:15The girls who used to babysit me they invented let me hear you say oh X grandmaster flash I grew up with meli mal right outside the window playing basketball Who we need first what I got to keep explaining this to these niggas. I'm there for me Grandmaster was a great boy So back in the days that you said I know my brother used to carry the crates of vinyl for grand master flash And when they said all that shit nick up doing all this weird shit um It was I think it was meli mal who finally did it interview was like yo Joey from here like I don't know what y'all talking about I was that so niggas ran to the mountain tops after it was all I didn't say after that. I don't understand it I Was here. It's so somebody's like fat Joe so opinionated And you're gonna start fabricating some shit You think I'm not gonna defend

9:16What I know to be true. Yeah, you experience you know and us in the Bronx and especially where I grew you grew up in ho Avedy you had a little couple more port of weekends all the day yet. Yeah, yeah I grew up in black That's I want you to know this right because I heard when that was going on you said yo fat Joanne black know I am black Fat Joe is the blackest nigger you ever seen in your life That's gold looking up So first thing to say is there more to this clip? Uh, what happens after now? No, I mean I mean I know there's not more to the claspy thing. I mean there's more podcasts for sure But like is but what what what I don't think people have showed the response to what happened here Uh, I didn't yeah, I don't know so do me a favor if you can try to find what happens right after this um, I Just in transparency with the audience. I should have watched the entire podcast. I did not but try to find what happens right after this

10:18Not necessarily for what Joe or anybody else in the room says when I say Joe I mean Joe button But just for where fat Joe was going with that um and whether or not he says one thing in there that he said after and has said on other podcast racial What's your thoughts? I hate when comments like this are made and everybody in the room just laughs Because it's clearly problematic. We talked about fact Joe fat Joe before on this podcast and his use of the inward And express the opinions about it and I don't nothing Nothing that fat Joe has ever said to explain or defend why he says it has ever resonated with me or made me change my opinion on it And the reasons that he gives for why he's black or as this is the first time I've ever heard him say the blackest nigga that you know is Shows exactly why you're not black. I would never define my blackness or equate me being black to just because the neighborhood I grew up in or just because my relation to um

11:19Black people that I grew up within the neighborhood or because um I have such a knowledge and a lived experience of hip hop That makes you Connected to the culture that makes you connected to hip hop those things might define you But that doesn't mean that you are black and that is somebody who's not black would say that Somebody who's not black would go this hard in defending their use of the word or what they are how they represent themselves blackness is a lived experience To be black is to walk this in this country this world as a black person You don't walk around saying like because by his reasoning Then anybody can be black right if a an Asian person a white person could grow up in the Bronx Living a majority black neighborhood grew up in a hip hop area where hip hop was invented and that now that makes them black

12:21That's not okay And I really wish and if there's more to the clip I guess we'll play it if if somebody back that up But the way that fat Joe goes about this and to say you're the black Where we are in this country right now and what is happening to black people And you're gonna sit in a room full of black men and say that I'm the blackest nigga you know Because I know hip hop is so disrespectful I'm the blackest nigga you know because I grew up in the Bronx at a time when culture was being defined Is beyond disrespectful that is not what being black is and it lets me know that he doesn't have an understanding Or feeling or a knowledge of what it is to be black and I don't know if he is I mean there are people who check him obviously like Mark Lamont Hill Has talked about he said I mean very recently he responded to this very clip he said I'm not Fat Joe was not racist, but that Joe was not black and that is true And there's a pattern of this in 2019

13:23fat Joe said the Latin Carribians and Our black and that Latinos are sometimes closer to Africa than black Americans and 2021 in a BET interview he defended his Use of the inward by saying critics were looking at it with racist eyes Well, it's most of the critics are black so we're racist now to you in 2024 he called FBA advocates racist He's been dismissive of black Americans when they try to explain to him how they feel offended How this feels disrespectful and it's like it's one thing If he's really trying to argue it because he feels this connection But when you go on a podcast a black podcast and say I'm the blackest nigga you know You're now placing yourself above black people I'm more black than all of y'all and let me tell you why that is not okay And I am so sick of fat Joe making the rounds of Trying to convince us of how black he is because of his relation to black culture

14:28All right, so a couple of things let's Let's have let's let's broaden the conversation here in a little bit um Like I have to be honest with you When this when this first happened it was difficult for me to care And the reason why it's difficult for me to care is because I think in the day this is some fucking nonsense It is it it's don't get me wrong It pissed me off just the The visual The image of it the thought of it the feel of it pissed me off But it's another thing to talk about that at the end of the day if we don't Kind of attempt to have a conversation about what it is that we're Really talking about then we're just kind of like spinning our wills. So I'll say like I'll say it like this Fadjell says that he's black he says that he can use the n-word because he's black But he also says that he can use the n-word because of the environment that he grew up in

15:30Um, he also says his father is he just said that well he had said it before I just I yeah, he had said it before why would he not say it in that's in that's what that's another reason why I want somebody to kind of Look at look it up. Okay, because the The reality is this If your father is black In fact, Joe's father is passed away So I'm very sensitive about what it means to to talk about somebody's dad who's no longer here Obviously that's something that I deal with every single day. So I haven't dream about it But if you are in fact black if you are born black if your father is black if your people are black You would think that that would be the first thing that you would say when someone says why aren't you black? You'd say hey, just let you know my father's black people are black um So I come from the lineage of of that and that is what I am Is one of born to let me ask you guys a question What is black to you guys? We've I've answered that before no no no no, but like this again like what is black? I mean Outside of being it well, okay racist. I know it's a social construct and all that

16:33I've talked about being black It's a feeling it's a connection. It's a lived experience. It's something that I am reminded of that I am it's something that I'm proud to be a part of because of what yes Obviously, there's culture in that But it's a history it's it's especially in this country to be a black American means something it is we I am impacted by my blackness in every walk of life because of the systems that exist that were meant for us not to thrive within So like it's it's so many things to me. It's beautiful. It's culture. It's it's connection. It's it's identity. It's some it's lived. It's a lot of things I would never describe it as a genre of music I would never describe it because I'm from Oak Cliff I'm proud of the same way that you're proud of Gardier. I am so proud to say I'm from Oak Cliff, Texas That is a black neighborhood. That's a historical neighborhood. It means a lot not just in Dallas

17:37But in Texas in music and culture in so many things and I've never said I'm so black because I'm from Oak Cliff Ever because that's not what defines blackness to me right Well said for me blackness is an ancestral and cultural connection To a solidarity movement in resistance to white supremacy That ancestral connection comes from the designation of being and sexually African That cultural connection comes from the cultural technology and vented by those people connected to that lineage To resist white supremacy. That's what being black is And even black people who would quibble with that definition who would say hey I'm outside of that. Hey I don't have any problem with white supremacy. White supremacy is on a real thing Those people would still deal with that. They still deal with them being um categorized as black. They still deal with the consequence of what that designation has meant

18:41Uh over hundreds of years um Two black people So there's a cultural component to what it means to stand in solidarity and safety with people With an oppressive force outside of you uh Then there's our lineage and our connected uh History to Africa. Mm-hmm. But then there's something else There's just what we do as black people there's our self definitive futurist view of ourselves and who we are That is why this conversation Comes into play because we Cannot allow anyone else to define who we are And anytime you let someone enter into your culture by force that is what you are doing You are letting someone say because I do this because I do that because I do this because I do that I'm one of you. Mm-hmm

19:42Right? Why does that happen to black people? There's a couple reasons why um One is one that we've talked about on this podcast a great deal Which is that a lot of times we exchange our culture for our humanity So particularly here in America Hip hop is at the forefront of this hip hop is a way that black culture is sold to people and they participate in it And because they are participatory in hip hop They feel like they bought a little bit of it and because they bought a little bit of it the dances are there Is the lingo is theirs the streets and the places are theirs the people are there the like I love this stuff more than you do Like the reason why there's sometimes Criminalization that's connected to black culture. Hey like you black, but you ain't never done no time You ain't never put no working. Shit. I'm doing this shit more than you. I'm blacking in you That's because There's been a packaging of blackness that's so connected to one specific part of that music of that culture

20:44And people say well, that's what it means to be black like that's the thing so over a long enough timeline the Cross between Hip hop culture and black culture hip hop culture, which is an expression of black culture and not in encapsulation of black culture That starts to become Confusing then it starts to become Purposefully confused Intentionally confused The thing that bothers me the most about this while I'm trying to keep a real cap of my emotions is that you just can't do this for anybody else Yeah, that's because those other groups their cultures are Seeing as something that is self-determinative That they in fact Built from the ground up architected and people don't look at our culture like that People don't look at our culture as something that we painstankily put together for our safety and enrichment

21:45They look at it as something that they can mine They look at it as something that they can harvest And because of that they don't respect our boundaries Not even the conversation about the inward and whether or not we should be using it That's a conversation that's very real that we could have inside of black communities I'm sure that if I spoke to your father your father would say probably have all kinds of reasons why he didn't think that we should be using It doesn't use the inward doesn't agree with using the inward my father used it all the time Right watching those guys sit down and talk would have been very entertaining about like how they looked at that First person that ever called me the inward was my grandfather, right? Like my grandfather said it. I'm doing something. I look at a little nigga go, right? So I never heard the word like anybody else would have heard the word before I have no problem with that conversation But we should know that a group of people taking a word and repurposing it is not something that is unique to black people The term Chicano was a slur The term queer was a slur

22:45The f word and the way that like The gay brother the gay brothers that I've heard use it. Yeah, they use it with each other the way that they use it like that A group of people doing that thing is It's that that is not unique that happens that happens there more Uh Like examples of that Chicano and queer are different in that those terms were allowed to escape cultural containment So you can call a queer person queer you can call it Chicano person Chicano and it's not a slur The n word is more like the f word in so far as the word is Accepted to some degree inside of the group, but outside the group. It's usefulness is litigated my point is that In that conversation there is nothing particularly Uh Embarrassing about the fact that we've repurposed the word that happens That's a thing there's nothing particularly or inherently corrosive

23:46About black people taking a word And repurposing it. I just tell you something else. We've repurposed everything else Like the n word is not the only thing that we were given that we tried to find a way to love We tried to find a way to to love the religion that we were given We tried to find a way to love the economic system that we were given We've tried to find a way to love the fucking country that we've been given Survival so there's so there is nothing unique about a group of people trying to find a way to love something that's grotesque There's nothing unique about it and there's nothing Embarrassing about it or nothing that lasts so so I'm saying all of those things are read or are red herons in this argument I'll stop being so hyper for both right after I say this what I'll say is What we're talking about right here is whether or not someone That whether or not someone can claim our culture and we accept that and we accept not only the claiming of that

24:48But the staking of a flag and saying no one is going to be able to say this or have a conversation about it Because we either like their music or they come from where they come from Oh, okay, you're done for now for now Circling back to you saying You did this piss you off But you know like you really didn't care about it because yeah like there's so many bigger things going on and all of that I understand it and it's a conversation we've had before and we will probably have again because He feels entitled to not just say it but to think it and I and hasn't been made uncomfortable enough In my opinion to where he's ever backtracked soft into stance if anything he seems to be coming more emboldened because Again black as nigger you know is wow. It's crazy But something that you said is why I think it is so important to address and why I'm glad we're talking about it on this podcast

25:49It's the audacity That fat Joe has to Not just think it Not just say it But to sit in a room full of black men on a black podcast and then repeat it in front of them and and feel Like it's okay to do that and it kind of was because He he just kept it moving like it's just a regular day and What you said was which is why I am like I will call it out every single time Because I never want to soften on this stance and I never want to invite other people to feel like They can use his reasoning and this three point test or whatever he has to to now define themselves as black as we continue to see people come in to hip-hop the music the fashion Whatever it is that is a part of black culture There has to be people who are like this is why you can't do that and it doesn't make you one of us and this is why and

26:51When you talked about the mining of it it makes me immediately think of Black people people are used to taking things from black people and it is deemed okay what fat Joe is pretty much doing is I'm trying to colonize it in a sense like he is saying I am allowed to do this and this is why and it's a taking of Something that is a part of black culture and he feels like he's entitled it is colonizing it. Hmm. It is it fits right into it So I called a bunch of guys from New York that I know I did because you know what I also don't do I also also don't like litigate cultural truces I tell you why yes, so I called I called a bunch of a bunch of guys from New York that I know uh-huh And I got a bunch of different answers as to whether or not guys from New York allow Puerto Ricans Dominicans and all of this that are not black That are not Afro Latina Afro Latino to use the inward right

27:55because If you come to Baton Rouge you're gonna see people flying Confederate flags Every time you see a white boy flying a Confederate flag we do not stop him be him up Ask him like we don't do that You are in the south You are going to see some Confederate flags I remember the video with the lady and the guy came up to her house and he had to bid Confederate flag behind his car or whatever He was gonna do some work on our house And she goes You can't do the work on my house He's got to get a fairer flag and then the husband comes out and husband goes yeah, she not going for it You're gonna go ahead you're gonna have to leave right Husband was very nice about they were very nice about it But they were like hey, we don't want your business. We don't want you to do work on the house. You got to Confederate flag right That is the way that cultural truce is is litigated right if you see a white boy He got a Confederate flag on you you know what's up Now there are other places in the country where you might walk through there with a Confederate flag Like it New York might be one of them Why you might walk through somebody with a Confederate flag they see that and they go crazy right they they do what they feel like they need to do

28:58It doesn't mean the same thing to you well it well It's not meeting the same thing. I would assume. I'm not operating on that operating system I'm operating on with the operating system that we understand that when I'm saying is that cultural truce Sometimes when people would visit Louisiana They would look at us and they would be like how in the world could y'all just see that and not say anything And I'd be like we see that all the time If you go in back and forth every time you see a rebel flag you going back and forth all the time That doesn't mean that you don't like stand up to the rebel flag There were times that like LSU games had to get the rebel flag out the LSU games in the crowd There were other times in shared spaces and stuff like that or Government spaces are in schools or in stuff like that. We don't want to see that So I don't litigate people's cultural truce Like cultural truces if you up in New York wherever the fuck you at because it is sometimes here and you Gonna let somebody Call you a nigga to your face and you're not gonna say nothing

30:00I'm not about to go back and forth with with with how black you are or what I don't give a fuck That's on you. They're not gonna say it to me But if that's what y'all do the that's what y'all do but it's important for y'all to know That that's not what we do Right like that that's not what we do and that distinction is important The distinction is important if only to say that there are certain things That we can decide as a culture That we make the rules on and guess what they do not have to fucking make sense to you That has never ever ever in any culture Been the standard by which that culture operates with Meaning inside of the culture we make a rule and that rule Has to be consistent or make sense for people outside of the culture to deal with it It doesn't there's too many things that don't make any sense

31:02Some would say it doesn't make any sense to turn your lights off and don't use any technology for the entire weekend Some would say that it doesn't make any sense to fast for an entire month Some would say all of these things are cultural religious things right they don't have to make sense to anybody else But inside of their cultures for whatever reason they are rules that they hold sacred so respecting those cultures Is respecting those rules And it doesn't matter what you think of them You don't get to decide that You don't get to make that determination. Yeah, so it doesn't matter whether or not anybody outside a group of people who are black Think that the inward makes sense or saying the inward makes sense or that is a conversation for us And we should have that conversation when we want to have it Not because fat Joe has burned a conversation about us having the inward. I'll go back to something else Don I miss years ago Don I miss

32:05called These college basketball players Ruggers college basketball players napkin headed holes Them are some napkin headed holes. All right, he comes out and he said that they some napkin headed holes right cool so We get mad because he called a specific group of women napkin headed holes We get pissed off you can't do that Don I miss is I hear this and hip hop all the time Now we have a respectability conversation about hip hop music and not about the fact that he called them napkin headed holes because before we are allowed to Say that we don't like something us ourselves. We must be pristine We must be beyond reproach reproach we must be like everything has to make sense Our humanity and Has to be rooted in some sort of respectability because we're the undesirable of this kind of this motherfucking country in this world and this culture None of that makes any sense nobody cares Nobody cares We don't like that you call them that

33:05Like we don't like we don't like that you call them that we don't like the way this goes We get to make some rules and those rules don't have to make sense outside this culture. We can talk about how they make sense for us But another response it is Has kind of been to relitigate this and have a conversation We don't owe that to fat Joe Oh, what to fat Joe like we don't owe a conversation about the usage of the inward to fat Joe Like we don't owe that like we don't owe that we don't owe that to fat Joe nobody owes Fat Joe the distinct honor of having a cultural come to Jesus moment Because he won't listen to what we're trying to tell him right not a come to Jesus moment, but definitely like You don't get to do that no, I'm saying straight up what I mean when I'm saying is he like in this situation If you guys if people are cool with fat Joe saying the inward go with God. I don't care I'm not going through that like if you cool with fat Joe saying the inward Mazel tof I like I do not care. I do not care

34:10But but we don't You getting brow beat By people who are going hey like what do y'all know the reality is this It doesn't have to make sense none of this makes sense. It doesn't fucking make sense Our diet doesn't make sense our place in this work nothing about the black American experience in America makes sense It wasn't planted and grown with the only thing that makes sense is that we're still here And we're thriving But the food we eat doesn't make sense the places we live don't make sense None of this makes sense in terms of the way you would nurture and grow people the only thing that makes sense to me Is the love culture and humanity that has sustained us walking through this brutal and vicious wilderness That makes sense So I'm not about to look at a group of people and say hey sometimes you do some things that it is yeah Sometimes this sometimes that I'm not about to ask them to

35:10Pooly fucking pants up so that somebody else can respect them Oh, okay. Yeah, I think And this is the last thing I'll say on this It's a culture versus community thing and where you were going towards the end of it to me speaks to community And that's a word that I left out when you're saying what is it to you to be black Culture can be defined in so many different ways right? Fadjo coming to the south and being like I'm the blackest nigga you know is like is Not going to be understood and that is because of Southern is a different experience different lived experience the cultures different there different shared beliefs The common experiences all of that location all of that you use the example of a confedered flag I just want to separate the two and why What he says and I will call it out every time is such a misunderstanding of what blackness is and to me shows why you're not

36:11You're talking about culture when we talk about our blackness. There's a community there There is a shared goal. There's a shared interest because of what we've been through Whether it be in the world whether it be in this country whether it be where we're from there is something that we Fight for and against because of our lived experience and we come together to fight against or for that That is community that is void of what fat Joe is talking about and that's what's so important And to me it just comes down to that. It's really as simple as that You want to make a cultural argument fine. We're making a community argument and we're telling you why You making that comment doesn't fit within the black community. Yeah, I mean, I mean a couple things number one man It's like Being black is also in my opinion It's it's there's other there's other shit that goes along with this fat Joe is a very notable

37:12powerful guy and Inside of what he's done, you know There've been tremendous there's been tremendous angst and tremendous problems in the black community And I use wonder and you know, I don't know How much fat Joe has delved into that? Right, so there's also another part of Of people that try to attach to black people culturally that they're black enough to come to the party But not black enough to come to the march and Rhythm and blues is of course and so like for for that There's a question about whether or not people are even in Lock step with us and what it means to actually Promote and underscore and be a part of just the life affirming journey of black people in this country

38:16Mm-hmm But beyond that the reason why I talk about so much of this stuff is because There's never going to be a situation. This is a trick bag is starting to feel like There's every single time Black people decide that they've drawn a line We have to have a conversation Not about the people but of the line Mm-hmm If you do a boycott, it's like oh my god why you boycott this and not that We boycott Right we boycott. Mm-hmm. That's what we doing And the part of us that's not boycott. Just don't do it. Not everybody has to do it, but we boycott We boycott it. We're boycott in it. We're doing it. We're doing the boycott Fuck it. We're not we don't give a fuck. We're doing the boycott is the boycott like entirely consistent Maybe not to you. Cool. Don't do it. Why can't the inward thing? We said no. We said no Well, nobody should be saying it. Who cares?

39:17We could we could talk about that over dinner. We're the same thing. I get what you're saying I get where you're coming from. I get it. We draw a line. Why does every single fucking thing? Every single decision every single cultural Edit have to come back to whether or not it's pure enough right enough or basing the right thing It's a trick bag Yo As stupid as it fucking sounds as stupid as it sounds The inward thing is a cultural decision and a boundary It doesn't mean everything But it doesn't mean nothing So it's at least worth the conversation as far as everything else like you know I talked all of my New York guys and some of my New York guys. I talked to one guy and This is something I never thought that I would hear anybody say he said That he heard the word nigger before he knew it was wrong

40:17He heard the word he was he black black. Yeah, he said he heard the word nigger And he said that him and his Puerto Rican friends and everybody and stuff like that they would say the word nigger and then roots came out And they realized that nigger was a slur for black people That is a Understanding and an upbringing that I have absolutely no connection Great Like it's like I I was like whoa. I was like bro with as much head in the fucking book shit as I've done You legitimately just said something into my ears that I have never heard before as a black person that I've never heard before Like I'd never heard that so I mean you know if that's what you want that's what you want but like Fat Joe's blackness Him with his father all of that stuff Is one thing I would implore people to just understand that we have the right

41:20We have the right and every conversation can be had but we have the right to say no man Correct, and we don't have to make it make sense to nobody else correct If it makes sense to us that's good enough. I see plenty of cultural stuff if you black just say black I could say it cuz I'm black you black who else is black who is black who's on the cuss? No, we don't do that. We're not doing cuss black I want to do what that is high everything who's on the cuss? Who's on the cuss? No, I'm not there's a girl believing that so look so if there's black and there's not black Then the question is is there kind of black no You okay, Fat Joe no, that's not what you saying that's not what see that's not what he said See if if he would have said I'm kind of black he thinks that there's a there's like a point Is nigger you well he would be like how much what do you know about hip-hop? What's okay? How much hip-hop do you know is there such thing as kind of like how many black people grew up in your neighborhood? You out there right now because I grew up in Oklahoma with the first back If you out there right everybody has different experience and you feel like you kind of black

42:23Hit us up. Oh my god. We'll put you on top. I definitely don't want to do this. What? So you are you expecting like white people Now I'm expecting people to be because if so I'm expecting to I want to know where the kb's at and we're gonna start calling out the kb's I want to know where the kb's at okay, it's Tim Scott kind of black Play the clip play the clip clip clip clip clip clip to talk about it. Let's talk about it. Play the clip He believes God is non-binary He thinks God needs special world pronouns But Texas we know who God is We're talking about Jesus. I said the king of kings and the lord of lord the Alpha and the Omega the beginning in the end That's our God Yeah

43:30That's America we love our God Hey God I want to say he's not one of us. He is but he is I know of course he is And actually think it's important to say that because we need to keep telling you you're black Because black also black also doesn't have anything to do with politics. No, it doesn't I said I want to I would never he's black. Yeah, how many times you think he practiced that in the mirror because you know he did You know he stood in front of that mirror. He put he he googled Southern Baptist preachers and he's stuck because he didn't even say Jesus right like they do It everything said it he was Jesus That's not how it goes I know he practiced it moving his coat back pointing in the air the inflections in his voice and he still got it wrong I so this is at the Trump of blusa where Tim Scott was at that bitch going crazy because they have to he's that's our mascot

44:32They have to I mean yeah, he going crazy up there Trump blusa in the whole situation. I think they could actually do better With what Tim Scott or I think that they're probably actual Black Baptist preachers that if they want to do the whole J. They want to do that whole thing they could do better. That's it. They had ml. They had mlk The remember the the mok guy at the inauguration right so remember him in his prayer They got to do better than this because that wasn't very good look here's a deal This is why I actually appreciate the Trump of blusa thing because that is like nobody At that is a party only for them That is only for them. They don't give a fuck obviously anybody else That looks like a scene from the righteous gemstones 100 percent like any no no serious person Is going to look at that and think wow. I'm fucking with these guys But I'll tell you this though and I want people to be wary of this

45:34There was a different conversation that was had I want you out of no Everybody is not you Somebody was on my phone calling me Telling me about political ads that they had saw And they were like did you know that he wants to do this and I'm on the phone. I'm like No political ads about what can you like I don't want to out this person, but political ads About candidates and things that they heard that candidates want to do republican or democrats democratic candidates Okay, and the stuff was and I want to phone is like I don't know man if he for that. I just might not vote. I'm like pro what the these ads and this propaganda This works on people like this what so it was an anti-democrat ad I'm confused and she be specific. What was that what was the issue that won't give away who you're talking to? I'm trying to understand so I can talk to you properly Be specific. Yeah, I'm the blackest nigga. You know be specific. How how how

46:40What makes you so what Because you can't say That's the melee male flash Because you we don't keep coming back to you black. What makes you the black You know What what's going on? I brought I'm gonna start you know fuck that. I'm gonna start doing that shit Fuck it. Yeah, I'm gonna start doing that shit, bro I'm just good. I want people to make T-shirts. I'm so I think I'm gonna post that on my social media I'm the blackest nigga. You know fat Joe That's that's a tough one, bro. I'm that's a tough. This isn't this is me bro Which I'll witness in right now is me at my fucking most my heart is full I'm trying to be I'm at my heart is full. I can't Only us we have talked about hip hop too, man. I'll tell you this thing about hip hop Hip hop is pretty all encompassing is it's for everyone But we need a couple rappers to drop right now and reestablish the blackness of hip hop

47:46We need a couple of guys out there Right now. I know everybody want to get money and everybody wants to sell all the records and all of that stuff like that I get that right now. I'm signed to Spotify. I get it I've signed to Spotify but we need people that sign that's going crazy like Montelejo We need more of that type of energy because in the 90s where I come from I come from the 90s the era It was a lot of black, you know, it was very much. Oh us, but there was hip hop for all of us Yeah, but then there was also hip hop that was just like this is black these are the teachings this is what we're doing Black remember when we there was an era when you were really like. I'm gonna be a rapper I like you don't even really know like I got Up got bars all of this and we never really came to fruition. This is what I would challenge you when Jay Z had the song I'm not black. I'm OJ You should do a I'm black. I'm fat Joe and then the whole thing should just be about Joe J. How he's not

48:47That's what I want. I'm black. I'm fat Joe Look man do it I'm saying or Jade Jay could do it But no, so I want to say is going back to the thing, you know go back to the political ad that political ad So I'm talking to somebody and they're essentially telling me what's the ad? The ad is about that's about James Hillary go. Okay, and it's is it for okay. Yeah, okay Because you said it was a Democrat ad and then that was like as you were talking I'm like it's an anti-democratic right? Okay, thank you. It's an anti-democratic ad and this person is asking me about things And this ad and maybe it's because I'm so knee deep into political talk and stuff like that. I can see and smell it or Maybe I'm too far left right now to actually be represented in my own community Maybe my my belief system is too far out of the out of whack and I'm out of step Maybe I'm out of community with what the average black political thinker thinks that's very very very possible

49:48but a lot of stuff he was believing and Just reminded me that while we are so sure That people look at that and they go oh my god that looks crazy It might have been some people that caught the holy ghost like crazy when they saw gums up there doing this thing. Not gums They yeah, I mean the people in the audience for sure did yeah, I don't know black people saw that in a phil I think it's black people know that that's not that's not how it goes We should talk about the Anti-blackness doesn't mean So I believe Tim sky has worked against the progress of black people absolutely right So the reason why the all skinful kinfo and kinfo thing and jr. I is so important because they are still kinfo These are black people yeah But that right there was nuts you like it. It was in Dallas. I laughed. Oh, it's a they show an out in Dallas right now It was in Dallas. Wow. I mean so that's not shocking. I mean, yeah, so Dallas is Yeah, so you're fully that's up. That's amazing for you guys. That's great. All right. You get this one

50:51I'm saying you get this stuff because like you can say a lot of things we haven't that they're not doing that in New Orleans never happening that Yeah, that's never happening in New Orleans, but there are plenty of other cities in Louisiana where it could know because we don't have the infrastructure You know the man then I'm taking that bitch to like West Monroe like we they can't support they have definitely that's a good We'll have the infrastructure. All right. What else we got oh speaking of hey, I want to know what you think about this one I don't I don't like when topics start off like I love this one. So yo While we were gone There was a conversation between Carrie champion Jamel Hill and Stephen A Smith that happened on their podcast flavor and funny That conversation was in two parts Did you watch it? I watch it as well I actually thought it was pretty good conversation Everybody had takes and now it seems like Carrie

51:53Jamel and Stephen A All right, loggerheads even more than what they were before the conversation took place Yeah, I I don't know what I was expecting from it and I would be Interested in no maybe what they were expecting from it. I I I think it needed to happen and I'm glad it happens in a way that we could observe it. So three hour conversation um They obviously have a deep history of working together So a professional and a personal relationship together But some of it was too inside baseball and I and like they would bring it back to the conversation where it was like What I wish and this would have been really hard to do is Because maybe they thought that they could come to an understanding on some things that never really happened right Stephen A Smith Said but the the same energy not energy, but the same stance he had prior to coming in he left with same with them I think maybe I expected that they would hear some of the things that he was saying in particular how black women fill how black people feel

52:59Um, not necessarily his beef with athletes and stuff like that But just like particularly even the thumbs down award and him going straight to Sean Hannity I thought that he would hear some of that and even when I thought oh wow he would be like that's a good point He'd go now. Let me now. Let me you know give my rebuttal and so I don't know how beneficial the conversation was in the sense that we just kind of both heard you say your things to each other but there was no uh Compromise or coming to some type of middle ground or understanding there was respect In that conversation it feels like that kind of fell apart after there was absolutely a respect and maybe things that each side wanted to get out and say to each other but I didn't get As a listener what I had hoped for and maybe seeing Stephen A say I really understand what you said what you hope before That's what I'm saying. I really like because I what I wish and I finished this thought because I said it earlier Is that Stephen A has said a lot yeah, and it's really hard to remember in particular and verbatim every single thing he said

54:04That has felt that it was against the black community or black women or The issues and policies that are particular for our community So it would have been great if it's like well you said this and then there could have been a clip That would have been really hard to do like please say what you meant when you said this And I'll give the example of the joy read part of the conversation He was like I've said all this these pot. I don't know joy read I said all these this is how I feel about joy read her voice is so important to us It's so meaningful we need her on the air and then they're like but this is what you said about her And so you're saying things that don't reflect that sentiment and they kept saying that to him That we hear you saying this but when you make these Statements and they're not just clips. They're prolonged on your Podcast or or whatever somebody else's platform these platforms that are very much so against us It feels like your sentiment is anti the black community So we hear you saying this but you know say this and it's like he couldn't

55:05He couldn't reconcile the two and I think a clip of you said this Explain it may have helped but maybe not who knows I don't think he ever came in there wanting to Conceive on any of his points. There were there were no I don't think there was a desire to make any concessions, but We'll be relatively quick here. So let me tell you why I think it It worked for Their pod it was great for them. No, no, no Not talking about just like from a viewer standpoint because they're talking to somebody that they know So being that they're talking to somebody that they know there are a lot of things that Jamel expressly said that she was uninterested in that I am interested in Right, so she was like I'm not gonna have a Politics conversation with Steve right so she's not gonna have a politician transgender comments They were like we're not going there right she's like I'm not we might we're not about to get into a whole politics conversation Steven makes me or she said even after that they weren't going to do that So I think because they know him and they both had a different history with him That they were most interested in trying to show him to your point how he was coming off and why people might feel the way that they feel and also clear up some misconceptions between them

56:12I Think the question that a lot of people are asking about Stephen A Smith is Really rooted in what it is that he actually believes so Stephen A Smith will say something he will say you know I am socially very liberal But I'm fiscally conservative like my thing is okay. What does that mean exactly? And so and the reason why I will want to know specific things is because what it feels like with Stephen A Smith sometimes is That there is Something inside of him that is actually very very conservative and that he can't help but show it so the question is not The question sometimes isn't about what he says. It's why he's saying it on our podcast right now joy read loses her job. She loses her show. They take joy read off the air. It would never occur to me To get on the air right and say something about her ratings about her ratings It wouldn't occur to me to do that because the first thing that would occur to me is community the first thing that would occur to me

57:17It's a 300,000 black women are losing right so like it would never so the question is like why would that occur to you like why When Jasmine Crockett is going back and forth with the president The president has already insulted Jasmine Crockett the whole party is insulting Jasmine Crockett Why reflexively do you take that opportunity to add Monash Jasmine Crockett? I'm not saying that what you said was in that case not as good because he did say street verbiage But I'm not saying that you came out and were specifically Derisive to her in a way like you Laura Lumerter. I'm not saying that at all I'm saying it seems like the reflex is Sometimes to do things and I would just wonder like why there like what's that like? Why do you need to explain the other side like why did you even need to say that but who are you doing that? But he's by way He's fine to do that that that's his right to do that right? But that is what people are are looking at and he's fine to do that I'll say something else about if if I was talking to Steven a nine we've talked to him before if I was talking to Steven a nine

58:22I won't be able to go back and and listen to one listen and watch one clip Steven a Smith is on stage with Chris Cuomo and Sean Hannity and Sean Hannity president Trump calls in Watch what Steven a does Steven a smiles Gidey I want I'm doing my best I'm being completely fair here president Trump calls in Steven a Smith is on stage and Steven a starts beaming He's smiling I Think it's a fair question to ask You name me one person that you know that stands in opposition to the regime of president Trump To the anti blackness that exists inside of the MAGA operation to any of that stuff That the sound of the president's voice doesn't make this can crawl

59:23My Santa people have never laughed at Trump I'm not saying to people have never said I'm not saying to any of that stuff I'm saying one person that they would hear the president talking to them and That would make them like visually perk up and So if I was talking to him I'm like Is there something there? I mean, and it could be hey It's the president and I'm happy to hear from but even that to me And I'm not saying that they did and they I thought like I said the conversation was great even that would give an answer there would give deeper insight Into how his mind works because if he wouldn't even say the institution of the presidency It's still something I have a great deal of respect for and hearing from the president any president is going to make me feel like Did that explains why some of this stuff comes off the way that it does sure sure sure That's because some of this stuff isn't about any of that so

1:00:23um I still was greatly entertained by the conversation. No, it was a competitive self-will I thought they comported themselves well yeah because there's a history there I thought and they're professionals and they're smart and they're talented at what they do um Being able to like communicate with each other and then you know to an audience I will say though that since then you know he's come on and he's like been particular about the things that he was asked and that bothered me because I'm like you can sat down there like you were an open book You can ask me anything we can talk about anything But then you now go back and you say well, I don't think we'd be talking about this I thought we were talking about a bc and d Well like which one is it so it almost like It's like you have this moment. There's this mutual respect and then you get on there and then it's like all right Well then you it's like you just reverted back to to the whole thing He says and it's some some stuff out which Jamal says she did not He also says that they turned the comments off he went the comments to be left on I guess there was supposed to be some kind of like Whatever now he has a rule and a whole deal or whatever whatever

1:01:24But I still got something out of it But you know if you're I think for me it's The next person that's interviewing Stephen A Smith it wasn't important for them to do it Pinnie him down on what his exact ideology is like what he exactly believes yeah Would be very very helpful for people to be able to send an expectation later with him and forcing him to explain it because I think he gets By with just saying I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal But I don't I've never heard him fully explain what that means like oh you in favor of this policy that then actually hurts people At the same time so like which one is it because it benefits you fiscally okay I'm gonna take a little break on the other side is break I guess Okay, the movie is if I go they will miss me. Oh, let's run away Will they miss me Thank you. We actually leave that in the movie is actually if I go Will they miss me? Because if I go They definitely go miss me you know I'm saying I'm that nigga okay um

1:02:28Stars Oh film join us today on higher learning the director is Walter Thompson her name is the star is the incomparable Daniel Brooks Thank you for joining us on higher learning today guys Go ahead of you. All right first question. I saw the movie I was emotionally wrecked But also inspired and felt a palpable sense of love and connection to the characters Can you guys both explain Your feelings about the film in that regard Why the project grabbed you and what you hope for people to get walking out of the theater I don't know should I start yeah first about thanks for watching both of you getting to see this film This is a very special film. I think this is one of those films that Anytime that you go and watch it you're gonna find something new about yourself about the world

1:03:28It's just so smartly made thanks to Walter How it made me feel? Emotion oh To be honest like um It it it's something that hit my gut in a very visceral way Because at the end of the day, I'm a mother and a wife and a daughter and relationships with family can be very complicated and um and so Yeah playing this woman who is all about protection and wanting to um wanting the best for her babies, you know I understand what that's like actually I'ma jump in How do you get you how do you get me yeah? You're that's a big get, you know Thank you on the Minecraft movie piecemaker Oscar nominations all of that smaller film very very character focus. What made you say yes? How does move?

1:04:28How do we get to you like why you're in cash? We sat down at the London theater and if London theater London hotel Excuse me here in LA and I was actually doing the press tour for color purple and my team was like oh wow With this guy Walter He's the next big thing. I'm okay Um, and so I sat down they sent me the short film that he wrote because this was a short first and I was Into it. I was like okay. I like everybody doing cuz especially on a budget to be able to do it create the way you did That's a big deal with no budget So we sat down we ended up talking for like almost two hours and I was like oh Okay, it was his passion for telling this story It was the fact that when we talked I knew that he was gonna be a collaborator Somebody that was like best idea wins like let's find this character together And that to me was exciting and it I felt like he was really when I read the script coming from a place of truth In a way that on the page is so different from when I'm reading other scripts

1:05:31I'm like this is this truth is is not like the BS. I'm mostly reading you know, and I mean like you really have to find it Even in between the lines, you know, and so it was exciting It was so exciting and and I've said this before but I said again It's like most characters that I've played have been very big-bold Loud vivacious, you know, we got Sophia we got you know at a bio like the but she's there's a quietness to her You know, there's a subtlety to her. There's a timidness to her that it I was really drawn to and you know, especially when you trained You want to be able to show all that what you can do as an artist so I was very glad when he's like yeah, you're my low Zita I want to speak to somebody you said about truth and this is for both of you You said in the interview that independent films are incredible because I think they reflect the truth of who we are So with this film what does this say about your truth about who you are? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's such a great question. I think I think for me like the

1:06:33The genesis of this movie is so personal right like I grew up under the aliex light path right so every day There's like 700 800 opportunities to look up at an airplane flying aliex right what that means is that like What are the stories and modologies that we're creating about these airplanes right like that is literally only showing around Like it is these show in the sky so From my friends and I right like I don't grow up with my dad a lot of my friends didn't grow up with fathers either right But we sort of created like stories and narratives and and mythologies about where our dads were and like where the men And in our neighborhood would go for a year for two years or five years They just show up, you know They would go and then it would leave and sometimes there would be an explanation sometimes there wasn't right so It was like mythology and story that stories that we created took make sense of what happens to them right and so in this movie It's like it is a version of that right we have a boy whose father has been gone Who is using enlisting Greek mythology to understand

1:07:34Where he's been and who he is and like how How honest is that right like how how imaginative are our young boys and girls who who make stories and narratives about their parents right Who in some sense is also putting pressure on their parent right like if you are a parent I'm not a parent yet But if you are a parent and your child is looking at you as Poseidon right it's saying so much right and it's doing so much And I think the the father in this movie Understands that he understands that pressure and it does something to him You know, it's almost like a sort of counterintuitive thing where it's like He doesn't love that his son sees a mess Poseidon he should love him like dust in there If like most fathers want their children to like lie on his them and heroicize him But this father doesn't so it it's a personal story right it it makes us think about like the ways that like we create Mythologies to understand the mystery of the world right and you know questions that don't have answers So I'm gonna pick up on something real quick Uh is interested as you talked about the mythologies that

1:08:37We make for the man when they leave Was interesting to me is they make them too Like when I would ask my uncle David rest in peace or my uncle mark rest in peace Like what their lives were like and when they were gone or whatever they were tell these grandiose stories About you know, I went and lived in Chicago for a couple years. I lived in New York I moved out to LA and I knew What's your name? That King Cole's daughter and I hung out with her My daddy used to be like, yeah, I used to hang out with Natalie Cole Like that and then your mother would come back and tell you the real story What was going on and these were amazing brilliant beautiful men Well, I think a lot of this is This movie is a struggle between A truth and a wish and like what that means to wish something and feel something and be confronted with the truth of it

1:09:39And playing a character that's really trying to Navigate that like trying to give you the actuality of it, but still maintain the vision of this Father to this son. What did you draw on? Oh, man It's it's so complicated. I think one of my favorite parts about What Walter's done is he has all of these mirrors in the space, right? And a lot of times you'll see big and play by the wonderful JL funds. I didn't even mention his name. He's a phenomenal. He is so John Stuart senior He's having a moment. It's perfect time for y'all. It's so cool. It's so pretty valley. Yes. What we first met him He's doing so well, but you'll see his character walk by these mirrors all the time But when he's walking walking by them and reflecting on himself, they're in really crucial moments of his life And I just find that so Just so great because it's that thing of

1:10:40We have these mirrors and we we can look at ourselves, but what do we actually Want to see right? You know what I'm saying? What do we actually want to see? Um, and are we actually seeing the truth? You know, is that is our mirrors clean? You know, I mean are we actually getting in there and cleaning sand who we are and there's even at the end You see Loseita when she's finally made her decision to not be with him. There is a mirror right there reflecting on who she is So there's so many different takeaways that I have With playing Loseita and yeah, I hope I'm answering your question. What was Julia? Are like what was Julia? I like it was tough Okay, let's talk about Julia Julia are people you know Anthony Mackey. I do know the Anthony Mackey Anthony Mackey you or Julia Yeah, like what was she got in you guys up there like My man my man

1:11:42Talking about like the mythology like the way you're like fantasizing My man boy my man boy. I was your king his parents actually taught at Julia I just know what is Julia? Like what is it like to go to some place that everybody? Like yeah, no and that it I it's it's pretty trippy because you know I grew up in South Carolina So for me to go to New York at 17 years old You know, they only accept 18 students out of the whole world. We're not just talking about the US. I'm in 18 So yeah, so point one percent get in and like let's talk about marginalization You only I was only two it was only two black girls in my class out of 18 And so it was trippy man because they're teaching you how to hold yourself up walk talk You know that standard American and there's so many things you're learning about yourself But at the same time I'm just becoming a woman. I'm like they're trying to figure out who I am

1:12:46um, and so it was it was um It was tough at times when it came to even parts, you know I was not The chosen lead ever which is why at Julia whatever at Julia. I know I had to fight I remember writing a letter to One of the teachers there who was like the decision maker Of who gets who part because you don't audition at Julia for parts like they just hand them to you Oh, yeah, yeah So that was trippy too when you come out of school and you don't really properly know how to audition You know you know how to act but you don't really know how to audition and I asked I was like We're doing raising in the sun and I want to play the lead Can can be pleased because I went down everything that I played from first second third fourth year And I had never played a lead and I told them I said how shameful would it be for me to leave this school And have not had that experience and so I got to play the lead and raising in the sun Um, so yeah, it was it was experience that fight probably not

1:13:47Probably I'm sure it did help you when you got into the industry. Yeah Learned that at a young age too as you were learning yourself and your craft But like also that you had to fight for yourself and stand up. I had to have balls at 21 years old to stand up to this white man Who's been here forever and say hey like I don't think you're properly seeing me like I'm spending this money here My parents are spending money to go here and I'm not gonna leave with the what education I think I deserve but they did the right thing you know They do the right thing and here we are being the leads in if I go This is I'm just gonna say something real quick. This is y'all's next movie Mm-hmm. That's about Julia. Fascinating. I've never considered you think miles Davis all you guys went there and stuff like that I've never considered what it must be like for yeah a black girl from the south going and that's it okay Is that a real thing? Yeah, there it is Walter for you Going in I mean when I went to screening and I didn't even know like how deep and heavy it was gonna be

1:14:52I was like I deeply affected. I'm like you got you like you need to hurry up and see this Um, and I wasn't even expecting all that was just like moved in such a way and I knew it was going to be about fatherhood But what I didn't expect as well was how you were able to balance out Black women and the strength of Losita and motherhood and just being a woman and it's it's a quiet strength But it's also so it's so powerful like it comes through the screen as well Can you talk a little bit about that balance because it really could have just been one sided But I think it rounds out the film is such a beautiful way that you see both sides of that That's such a beautiful observation. I think for me like it starts with Tony Morrison You know Tony Morrison my favorite author of all time. I think about Sula right? I think about Sula and Nell's relationships Some of much like Sula and Nell is actually like That's what I was thinking about Losita and intersister right like that sort of beautiful relationship right? So it starts with that like I read all of Tony Morrison's books right there black one in my family right like You know, it's like Sula. It's beloved right? It's jazz. It's

1:15:55You know all these books that I've just loved and continue to reread and I think it starts with Tony Morrison for me Right like song song of Solomon is actually a big inspiration for this for this movie right the idea first chapter Flight you know and what that means, but yeah, it's I mean, I think also I think we we see these tropes right about black women In films and in television and for me it's like those aren't the black women that I grew up with right those aren't the black women in my family So it's just like how do we create complexity on both sides, you know like how do we understand Losita as a fully fleshed out character as a human Who has needs and desires and wants and which is why you know like that bad from seeing in the movie is my favorite scene in the entire movie because Here we see Losita outside of the context of motherhood right like still talking about motherhood But we don't see her man right we don't see big hand. We don't see her children She's just like you know smoking her we on screen with her sister, which is like such a beautiful Sort of moment that we know she hasn't had had in a while Right so I mean, I think it's just it's just thinking about like the honesty that exists of black women's lives and the complexities and

1:16:59How to not do what a lot of people have been doing right and it's kind of that. Can we stay there real quick? Yeah So There's a conversation that we we have in our community. Mm-hmm the black community here. Yeah, I'm have black. I'm have black. I'm Mexican. Yeah, you're black That's right. That's what I'm talking about brother Might need you to solve some problems we have in the right. Hey, it's crazy Every time some pops out of the air. I'm just like bro. Are you gonna see me? I'm not the one. Yeah, you can see you out there every time So there's a push pool. Yeah, and the push pool is this The push pool is accurate representation of black people on screen Latino people on screen But the push pool is also positive representation representation of this We've had these conversations talk about them um We talked about them when one bell after another came out and people were like I don't know too many black women Revolutionary snitch on the revolutionary group to leave their kids and all of that I heard from a lot of sisters that were like we want to be able to be flawed in these please Like we like we want to be in these movies to be able to be flawed and be real and vacillate from hero to villain

1:18:06That's right and all of that that seems to have animated Yeah, okay, I mean I even bring up that movie like they kept talking about how Tiana Taylor was overly sexualized I loved it. I'm present because as an actor I don't get that opportunity I would love to have that opportunity and I just felt like Why can't we be flawed in that way? You know, why do we have to have be so Perfect in everything that we do I I That's not truthful. That's not honest. You know people can look at me Say Danielle your life is so perfect that if you only knew the stuff that I go through okay So I want to bring more to that on screen, you know and you talk about like these positive Images of what we put out in storytelling. I think this actually is such a positive You know what I mean like but some people might not look at it like oh, it's another black man who came out of prison and he ain't treating his son right No, that's a man is trying to figure out life and at the end of the movie

1:19:07You still see him go to the water with two his kids, you know, I mean I just I just feel like there's such a great conversation that you're bringing up, you know and beloved here from you to Walter But um what what we look at as a positive image I think we need to expand that out oh further. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's it is that you know and like maybe I think about honesty, right? Like I don't think about positive for negative right like for me It's about honesty does his character feel honest right whichever direction they're going in right and the other thing It's like I think we've been hearing a lot about about this movie There's like, you know so much poetry in the movie. There's like lyricism right and I think My slight pushback to that often and maybe kind of gets at what you're saying is that like We're not creating the poetry and magic in this movie for me like poetry and magic already exists in black communities all over the world, right like how We need we have needed magic and poetry to survive So we're not creating poetry with this movie or just acknowledging it and like pointing camera towards it

1:20:10Right and I think that kind of goes back to this idea of like Positive or negative. It's not really positive or negative It's just is what it is and like in our complications right in our like vastness So many different types of characters can exist. Yeah, is there a point Because this was my thing. I'm gonna be real. Yeah, so I wrote something like about the movie About the other movie we were talking about but for you guys is there a point where You feel that hyper fixation on a certain part or certain portion of our collective experiences can be too much Like is because like this is the whole Huxable thing. Yeah The Huxable thing is they're black but they're also a doctor in the lawyer right We love that. Yeah, and you know I didn't that wasn't my experience, but it was Rachel's right, so so like right is this something I guess to be more yeah artful with my questions is this a creative problem or is this an audience problem Is this a problem of how the audience wants to be seen or what what's coming from the top?

1:21:13I think it's both in a sense I also think who is it coming from okay? Like is it coming from Or is it somebody behind the curtain that saying we need more Right, right, you know, I mean like gangster's in the like who is it coming from You know, I think but I also think it does have to do with audience, you know feeling Ownership which I think is fair because it is you know images of ourselves that are being put out there You know, we do have to be careful with what we we we share because at the end of the day like if you go too, I don't know say Men a soldier or something and there's people that don't look like this particular group, you know It's a bunch of white people out there and it's only thing that they don't see for example is say a show like oranges and new black You know, and I mean that's the only images that they get of black people What how are we you know, but at the same time it's like not I thought you stuck in a world

1:22:23Because I think it's if you're talking about one battle after another and the criticism that you know Tiana Taylor received I felt like Sorry some of it was like one looking at her character in just a one-dimensional way And I think if you explored in a deeper way or broadening it then then you can see that it's more than that And I'll say the same thing about this. It's not a movie about Black man and incarceration It's so much deeper. There's why I love that the film ask a question because I think you're challenging your audience To see it in a bigger way than that and I think that sometimes that's what needs to happen instead of the audience telling us what we should do or us trying to Soften it a bit so we don't fit into a stereotype. It's like I want to push you to see beyond that and that it doesn't just look one way It's bigger than that Yeah, you know, I think it is that I think for for a lot of us who have grown around black people are like brown people right who are who are beautiful and flawed and complicated right we understand that someone who has been incarcerated can also be beautiful and loving right and poetic and Exist in like a magical sort of space and I think that's what this movie is kind of doing

1:23:27It's like saying okay, this this father happens to be locked up right that's not a central point in this story right but but also How beautiful is it that his son sees him as Odysseus right sees him as like you know Well incarceration was he was an ithika right like like there's something fascinating there But I think also you know who's our intended audience right like like that's the real question is like who is the audience and that that we're trying to speak to right Are we speaking to someone in Minnesota or are we speaking to our fathers right Or our uncles or our sisters and and I think it kind of matters like who the intended audience. Mm-hmm So We have to get you guys out of here. Okay. I know. Oh really? We do you have to get there's a hole. I know you got so many questions We want to talk to you guys Questions for you I had no questions for you and just piece makers

1:24:28Like I had and I had a Compton Cowboys questions for you But I'll say I before I get out here. I just want to ask one last question The movie is coming out now. It's gonna be you guys got a release What would you evangelize to make people leave the fear leave their homes go to theaters and see the movie because it's big year for movies in theaters It's a big move year for people going out and having these experiences If you're gonna say one thing to the audience to get them to see this film, which is incredibly well-reviewed 94% on Rotten Yes, oh what would you guys say to make them leave their homes and go see the movie? Yeah, I mean so much man. Yeah That's a big question, but I say so much. I think if I'm being real with you I feel like for me it's like this movie is about grace man like this movie is about how we extend grace to People who have armdust people who love us people who we love and people who you know have heard us as well So for me it's like that is like the fundamental question this movie

1:25:29I would I would love people to to feel that and to extend that and to watch this movie through that lens And you I would say it's about healing. That's really what I would want for people anybody that's kind of Been battling whatever you're going through with family with your children, which is some real stuff with your parents Whatever it is man take a second take an hour and a half whatever I don't know how long the movie about Taking how in half and then even two hours y'all right Take yourself to see this film put your phone down and and and get get that healing that you know Movies have the power to do and I also low-key want to throw it back on y'all cuz y'all saw it Because I'm always interested in what it made you feel you know And I'm saying like how did it make you feel we can tell you all day with you Tell you all day, but as a viewer like what what did you leave? such a great question I or did you wanna go? Yeah, I mean for me I was I was just

1:26:30Attracted and in lockstep with the people on the screen. Yeah, I was a part of their experience I for some reason identified with this kid. I know you would like like yeah I identified with this kid the stories that I made up in my head the way that I lived at the world I felt like I was this kid and I left feeling a lightness and an inspiration of my own to tell stories and stuff like that I really really thought you saw you when I watched it. I literally saw you I like turned to who I was with and I was like this is van I was like he's gonna resonate this so much. I'll just say just to be quick I love I would have gone this puts in a question but the community yeah I thought was so special because even if someone goes away other people are so around What the the projects that they were living in The friend group that they had even at the end what happens? I want you guys to watch it But it's someone in the community who's there and takes a village. Oh, when you think yes Yes, even with lozita like her family that's there like that helps her move things around

1:27:33As she's responding to things that happen in the film is it's so rich even like the brotherhood the calling out of each other When they think someone's doing wrong. I got love that There's my family man talking to man. I know About their feelings. There's so much community within the within all of it And it's really even just a backdrop LA. Yeah, which isn't really a backdrop. It's the character as well So um, that's one of the things Thank you All right, the movie is if I go will they miss me it is in theaters September 11th today When this comes out why release September 18th by the way, I just got to say this before it before they go is not It's not charity to go see the movie movies fucking good It's an entertaining fucking film so like you're gonna know Well, I'm not saying go off to do very important movie The movie's great. You gotta have a good time. All right All right So I don't like them But I'm not the biggest Hakeem Jeffries fan

1:28:36But Hakeem Jeffries is a man and Hakeem Jeffries is a black man and We're not doing something that got done and it's impossible not to call it out. It has it must be called out uh Conjeffries was mentioned put this down. Yeah The word of thought he would come from He came Jeffries was called monkey by Rula Jibril He she was criticizing his support for Israel and his relationship with A-PAC And this what she said and what does The established democratic party Hakeem Jeffree by none of his name is Hakeem Hakeem and Arabic is an Arabic Name which means healer. He's not a healer. He's a divider. He is A bot and paid by A-PAC monkey with all the respect and I don't mean it in a racist way He is just It's almost like it slipped out and she was like oh wait, I have to say with all due respect and not racist because you knew it was racist

1:29:41Okay, so listen, I just gotta say something to the left. I have to say something to the left Like I am one of you. I'm one of you. Like I'm I am with you I'm with you uh If you do not respect black people your political movement will not work exactly Now here on higher learning we had the same conversation regarding Grand Planner and the fact that Grand Planner and nazi tattoo on his body And he was going to talk to everyone about this but he didn't talk to anyone black The reality is the trauma And the experience of being black in this country is something that people with power in this country Must have sufficiently reconciled in order to lead black people And if we haven't think if we don't think that you've done that And we're not fucking with it and

1:30:41This type of shit Monkey type of shit. This is the type of shit. We were talking about down Trump doing that too long ago It's not gonna be accepted It doesn't matter what the ideas that come on the back of it are Metal care for all is for human beings. It's not for monkeys Getting out of wars is for human beings. It's not for monkeys Putting money back in people's pocket affordability. That's for human beings. It's not for monkeys And if you want some monkey type shit doing this type of shit I'm gonna go fuck who you are. I'm not fucking with it Because I don't believe that you're gonna do the things that you say that you're gonna do For a person if you call me a monkey right and this feels really bad for me to be Defending who came Jeffries because I'm not a good Dean can you Jeffrey's fan on like them But I'm defending the humanity Exactly. That's what it is And that's why it's worth talking about because I was like I don't want to talk about it You sold me you're right. It's not about I sold you now. I didn't sell you sister

1:31:41I didn't sell you I didn't sister. I didn't sell you you can't be bought or sold we move we didn't move past that I didn't sell nothing You're free black You would be the most insufferable Ho-tep Person man. I was that basically. I never I never knew you to be like grand rise and queen How was my cuz that's that's all that I didn't say you couldn't respect it It's just it's becomes exhausting like you only did a couple of lines and I was already like I'm gonna be this with some CMOS Okay, well which would be great. There's nothing Hold on hold on no, you know what it's great for your skin. Well, good. We you're getting derailed So go ahead and do your thing. Okay. I'm gonna be brief All I was gonna say is is you're right. It's bigger than that And if we're having this conversation that we had about fat Joe and somebody having the audacity or feeling comfortable to say something when they're supposed to be saying that when they when they perpetuate that they are about

1:32:41Black people that they are with and stand in I won't say stand in line But definitely support issues and policies that impact us almost as if we're together you want us to be on your side That's a fat Joe part of it if we're not gonna if we're going to recognize the Tim Scott despite him Tap dancing in Dallas at the RNC that they were having there If we're gonna say that he is black I'm not gonna allow even you to call him a monkey That's not right because I don't want anybody to get comfortable in a space of being able to talk about people Black people and degrade and demean them no matter how they represent themselves We're just not gonna have that and so it's not about Hakeem It's not you defending him. It's you defending as you said black people as a whole and that is unacceptable And we're not gonna take that and I'm with you on that it is in my opinion devastating That to someone's campaign and their mission and what it is they're trying to put out there

1:33:43When you so comfortably call a black person a monkey and immediately recognize that it was racist I'm questioning everything that you say after that and that also is something we have to talk about That's a part of the bigger picture if we are trying to dismantle the establishment and point out how problematic It has been on both sides and we're supposed to come together To fight the system You're showing you know, let's say your slip is showing when you can so easily call black people a monkey You're already telling me you're not a part of it and we've seen those movements happen before When in the women's suffrage movement we saw that you wanted to use black people for the movement to get it accomplished But then when black women still couldn't vote it wasn't an issue for you like that's what we have seen historically happen And when I see you a slip of the tongue of that it is very reminiscent Also, I want to say something else here, you know that there was an apology

1:34:44And I don't like it What did she say in her apology? The apology Went through at first Bring the apology up the apology she starts the apology By saying that her keen Jeffries is bought and paid by a pack and all of that stuff like that but that what she said was wrong and inoffensive and She apologizes unconditionally All right, okay, so Apology unconditionally understood For this particular post We didn't need all of that other shit and I'm sorry to say it just like that because we have been just brutal critics of A-PAC Of being bought by any lobby foreign governments influencing our domestic elections here Any lobbying group be it the NRA and all other stuff you gotta do so you don't get called names Of all of those types of lobbying groups we've talked about it here over and over again. We've done that we've challenged governors on it here

1:35:50governors But the moment that you are on the screen And you's called I came Jeffries a monkey and an errand boy you need to Distance yourself From what you feel like your political right and need to criticize him is and put forward His humanity Manhood and personhood You don't get to continue to do that because it's no longer in good faith So what should have happened was what I said Here about this black man is wrong I apologize and I understand that coalition building with black people starts with the fundamental recognition of their humanity Anything else feels like you're tacking it on at the end like what I said is more important than what I did

1:36:55It's not true. It's not gonna work. I'm telling you right now the reason why I love Angie Nixon is because Angie Nixon to me is the prince who was promised You know what that is? This came with groans. Oh a different one Prince was promised I keep saying that at some point somewhere and you guys can tell me if I'm missing this person I'm keeping my eyes open looking around right looking around at some point somewhere There's going to be a charismatic leftist Southern black politician That is going to galvanize people in the south And Lead what I believe to be is a change in the political priorities of Southern black people A change and broadening not that this hasn't happened already But I'm talking right now. There's a stranglehold in the south of course with the traditional centrist CBC Democrat Absolutely right, but there is going to be somebody that that's black that's from the south that

1:37:56Is of the communities that the that my brothers and sisters in the south come from that challenges that order And that's going to be a very important and powerful person Angie Nixon I feel like Is Or can be that candidate This is a sister who comes through authentically and Like spiritually black that has all the ideas that I like to hear all of that Why I have to support I'm seeing it But the thing that will erode Even the ability of somebody like that to cut through is after rest of these leftists Why caucus with Don't understand that you cannot erase the history and present of what it means to be black in America And if you think that you can erase that with ideas you can't you have to Continue with it you have to envelop yourself in it when you're talking to people and then on the other side of it You have to tell them why your ideas

1:38:59Match their version of their own you man. If you don't do that you're gonna fucking lose Yep, and you're gonna lose and not only are you gonna lose with them? You're gonna fucking lose with me So get it right So a lot of people doing maybe a little get it right now It's not now now now Yeah Okay All right, you gotta hear it one more hey Um, this is the funniest video I've seen You would love it. I haven't seen anything like this This is like why tell you guys right now where should put this in? I had you not seen it before put in oh, I should have surprised you I've seen it before oh Dang it sorry I should see it before I put you want to look at it before You want to make sure that we should have surprised you you want it? Well, you don't want to be too much of a surprise No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we should have surprised you handled yeah Because we do have the surprise no, no, no, we should okay, so this is funny to you. No, this was this is uh this is not funny

1:40:05There's something that exists that's more Okay, okay There's funny you laugh and then there's funny Really funny you laugh hard and then there's something that like It's energetically It's energetic hilarity. I can't explain it this video. I don't think this is real Like because play the video so let's Okay, give it give it a little bit go ahead Jay. Yeah, so a viral confrontation is taking over social media after a Louisiana woman Vanessa Phillips accused the man of taking nearly $1,100 from her for a Caribbean cruise then allegedly leaving her off the reservation I'm not getting ready Small Oh you thought I wasn't gonna get out here You thought I wasn't gonna make it

1:41:07So where my money is you got it now you don't have it now But it's okay no, no, no, no, no, no, so it's okay for you to take my $100 and you want to prove you Not in close you want to pay 500 right right so why did you take the closer he gets the funnier it gets What is that what what do you call that Pause Jay they're calling him Pastor cat harness Okay, so look because he's a pastor so I want to make sure that we don't drift into some I want to make sure that this doesn't drift into the realm. No, no, you can see that we can see it That there's a background But first of all hold on this steel right here I'm sorry dog man fuck that shit Well, bro and then watch watch For you think about the video

1:42:10She so the closer she gets the more terrified this nigga because I play the video Why You a mother fucking lie who I was there at one a clock one thirty actually So what I want to know he's trying to send in the truth What I want to know is where's my little hundred I Is that your girlfriend? No, he was when his friends and it was going crazy. They love him Now she's gonna give to the extreme close up Now is real And you're going to right here trying to fuck people

1:43:14Now Oh I watch his response Oh, you watch the response I did I had to watch it because I watched the video If I felt if it felt like I was under prepare for today show I wasn't but if it felt like I was it was because I watched that video too much No, you loved it so Trimble in I'm sorry because I don't what I don't want to do is like I can't That nigga that fuck that shit though. That's funny. I watch this video I can't think of a worse response from any human being to anything ever like ever

1:44:15Like ever okay like I once was with one of my home boys And his girl caught him up We was in the car And he goes Man, bro. I got I'm judge okay. I caught up with his girls very funny. I was right there when it happened and He's in we in the car He's driving to our house. He's pleading his case about the police case and he goes Man, I have to promise on God, bro That remains the worst response to anything ever I was like I don't know if I don't know if you want to go to hell and they get like you know, I'm saying it's like nah, bro I got promise on God, bro. I got to man. I'm sorry, you know And then that's when we made up the God sham god exception I don't know what that is I haven't told you about the gods shambah god exception. No, it expired the god shambah exception inspired What is it called? It's the god shambah god exception. Okay, so it expired in 2009

1:45:19We decided we weren't doing anymore. Okay, but they have been a Creation in the player proof to where you could promise on God mm-hmm, but then later on you have to say shambah Okay to like balance it out. Well God shambah was a point guard That played for provenance, right? So his name was God shambah So you could tell people I promise on God, but you really meant shambah. Okay, so this was a way But then we let it so what ended it something big had to happen. We can't get there as men And we decided that if we go on promise on God that The shambah exception had to expire Here's an idea. Why not tell the truth? Tough Tough This is tough. It's tough That was an option. Hey guys, about the way. Shambah, the copy rule

1:46:21I'm if if if there are people Rachel wants to derive the shambah god exception and talk about if I know that The thought that had to go into that to justify you guys the line about the act like y'all you lie you lie I do men lie women like yes people that happens, but with us The shambah god exception was it was invented and it was something that happened and This is what made us invent the shambah god exception because we held this person accountable like you can't do this And he was like what if it's shambah god and we thought I'd make a spin God So toxic if you don't believe in a group of socks and call I could call somebody right now and they'll tell you Hardedly believe you with the shambah exception, which is why I have you heard of the shambah? No, like you do So god shambah I'm gonna be real with you the handles When I look at handles I look at kairi Steph got crazy handles so a lot of people but god shambah the way he used to manipulate because he invented the shambah

1:47:27Where he puts the ball out? Boom smash that bitch back you go for it. Baby. Bam fuck you up the shambah you know the shambah So we used to we used to use that His name because his name was god so we was swearing on him and not on the actual god Okay, I'm sure god knew that we were doing wrong. Yeah, he did But he knew it wasn't on shambah But it was on shambah After a while like you know After a while it was on shambah it when we would say I promised to god And then we would go shambah I'm sorry y'all I'm sorry to the audience this nigga locks up the different This video this type of negation is This type of niggatry Oh, fuck I used the word bro. I'm not a good black person This type of shit This type of shit is amazing dog This is so fucking Bro, this is funny bro. Did y'all go to his Instagram?

1:48:28Actually didn't go to his Instagram. I Inspected the whole story. How did you stop from going down a rabbit hole with this? I went down a thread. I went down a thread. I went down a thread thing. That's how I first discovered. I so I went to his Instagram And I went to his Instagram. This man don't do it. Whatever you gonna do don't show it to me man Who made up a cat heart? I'm like you got AI on there. He was telling his truth. Look at this by the way The the New York Post the California Post the pictures is how I put in there this is this is stage craft um But he's a pastor He's a youth pastor. It seems like um and he he uh He I don't know apparently he's a scammer like this is like there are I Guess other stories out there of him scamming people whether it was a cryptocurrency or Oh, man. This is one of the fighting men of the US army He's an army. He's an army guy unless this is shit. Maybe he is maybe he's not

1:49:31Like but but it looks it looks like I don't want to take that away from the brother. Uh, oh Man you niggas are something else bro. Do I look Rachel look at this comment On Veterans Day he posted this look at this comment. Thank you for your service. Also give that lady her money back What did he say wait man? What did he say in his 10 minute thing? Uh in a 10 minute thing it was hard to follow Because I'm not gonna act like I fully understand this story So because like is he have a is he a travel agent like why did she give him money? Dating because at one point she's like we were supposed to go together and You're here fucking other people so I'm like was it a day like it's a little bit confusing. I don't have the context I think there's maybe more on tiktok She explains the whole thing on tiktok. Okay, by the way to this sister. I hear Louisiana in you I hear it

1:50:31But what I love also If she put her brand together and went on the cruise just to get him That's the type of shit I'm talking about and you know why jane why Because she could have been selfish And just thought about herself And gone on this cruise and not taped it But this beautiful sister thought about us Because god damn it if this shit didn't make my mother fucking Thursday I don't know that man had some x-men shit on that's something like That nigga had some shit on you can only with that shit marvel bro like that the shit that he had on People are saying you can't purchase it. They're like that is a pet harness. You can get it That's not a peck what Why would you be wearing a pet harness? It didn't even cover anything up like I don't know what the goal was for it But like whoever came up with cat harness calling him that like I just hope you have the best

1:51:34Rest of the year. I'm saying that is funny That's the only reason I brought to the group because I was like that is funny I just want to let everybody know you can where was you want You can do whatever you want it's the name to all is all of that shit is great but Man That shit was funny to me. I'm sorry y'all I'm sorry guys that shit that shit was hilarious. I want that bitch a bunch of that man started trembling Like he got his his his his lip was quivering like he was trying to hit a high note man that that shit was out of here I love that shit. All right, amen. Shout out to a player from We had many different things, you know Shout out to god sham god. What is god sham god up to right now? Let me let me see. He was coaching when I when I just looked it up Look god sham god got the beard going. I hope people understand how nice this nigga was This nigga inspired a generation of lies is oh, so he right now is He's an assistant coach for the pelicans. Okay, shout out to god sham god at first his name was sham god

1:52:40Wells, but he was like no my name no it is god sham god He was got made fun of so much he went to sham god Wells and used his mother's maiden name well He was he was formerly known as sham god Wells, but now his name he changed the name of god sham god No, he was born God sham god He he was made fun of as a kid and so he started going by sham god Wells using his mother's But he turned that bitch back By the time we knew Must have got word about um How y'all were using his name in vain. Yeah, by the time we knew We we uh It was it was god sham. He had gone to god sham god and then by the time we knew it was god sham god We was on that basketball that biggie shit see the the biggie shit the fact that there's no more biggie's basketball I talking about that cost people now what people go name If it was niggas that need to do this now they couldn't do it But don't use the sham god exception is is blasphemous It's blasphemous. We decided it expired in 2009. Let's just let's practice honesty

1:53:44Let's just try Y'all be honest That's right But I'm not about to sit here judge y'all But I'm saying that y'all can't use the sham god accession Player proof took that off the off the map you mean, okay before we go You and your friends never had no fucked up shit that y'all did What's the most fucked up thing? Do you have a girl? We know we never talked about this before as as all my secrets are coming out with I don't have like a player proof crew in definitely not high school What were in college like we had we didn't have a name Yeah, I have a name girls in it four four girls Four girls in it to four y'all And y'all had a group and what was what was y'all's thing Because player proofs thing will we all start as college together. It wasn't like a thing Well, yeah, what's y'all what's y'all who's thing what y'all do the friends everything we with parties together Yeah, we hung out together like we I don't know we did college together. What's the name of the no name of the group? There was no name of the group was there a group of guys that y'all hung out with

1:54:49No, not specific well There were there were like pockets of groups, but there wasn't like one specifically We didn't have like what you had like with the pink ladies Pink ladies I fee Marie Alison Tidra Candace sometimes listen, I love that y'all had that but you know The player of course toxic every time you tell us a toxic story. It's not a toxic story. I usually is We we y'all feel like player proof was toxic What you got a good time man you got a good time I want to hit that bit well What exactly what It was not toxic you know it's funny It's not it wasn't toxic. It was just young guys that grew to be min Yeah, I'm not taking that away from you. Yeah, the one we weren't character art, but can't Okay, last thing. Okay, cool. So we were toxic. I say this For who we were in Baton Rouge Everybody else that we knew there was niggas was into some real shit

1:55:51We might have been immature guys and stuff, but yeah, you know, that was like y'all's Yeah, yeah, but you know that was I like everybody I've met from the player proof crew. Nice guy. Yeah, night like nice guys nice guys good fathers Good Ish husband good husbands Shout out to good father Good But so you you you and your home girls Yeah, okay, what we're gonna do is you guys like we were all different like you know like insects in the city Everybody people often are like are you the Charlotte or you this we were all different. Did you have a group chat name? No, this is a different time like we didn't have iPhones. This is college You gotta remember Thanks So we didn't have do but do women name they groups like men. Yes. Oh, yeah, okay Because we have I have a no new friends group. That's what it's called. I got a friendly production shout out to y'all group

1:56:53That's like guys and girls I'm trying to think of some of my other ones because in Baton Rouge there was a bunch of insects in the city Wait, what kind of phone were you carrying in college flip-fom? Yeah, but like which one? A no key Yeah, they have to raise them all know So what was cool is if you had a ringtone with the song so in Baton Rouge there was a couple groups, okay Groups that were like near our group. So the group older to us and his big brother and then they were called DSP What is this stand for a dirty South players? That's not bad But they were called the down South Polars Your name was better ratio 100% Play approved crew is much better they were called the down South the down South Polars DSP the down South Polars as they called themselves and then it was another group out there called donkey platinum plus

1:57:56They They were out there was there's different groups man. It was different groups different different crews Different different groups different crews and we all you know, we was together. I love yeah play a proof Um, let's go. We got okay. We gotta get out. This was fun at the end But I want to I want you to tell me more about your college group and I'm gonna give them a name Okay, like we were all yeah, we were all we were all different. Did you have traditions? No, I was like what do you mean traditions did you have your own language and traditions? This is core in a group Rachel We have to have your own language and traditions. We did do all of that like you what you have the did y'all have something like a player proof crew Yeah, how was y'all okay before we go because I really don't want to go with language and traditions Well, what language and traditions did y'all have inside y'all crews well we threw a lot of like We threw a lot of parties so far as that was like But our group was called 509 that was the women's crew and then we had a co-ed crew

1:58:56That was sworn, but it's the first society of real niggas. Oh Yeah, okay soaring society of real niggas y'all had a crew yeah a crew so then Y'all didn't y'all had a so y'all had a crew together Yeah, we had like a co-ed crew and then 509 was the ask you something In these crews the co-ed crew yeah They're fucking Some but not all okay, so in this play Not imagine there was some yeah, but not all there was some yeah, there was like one or two You know that maybe three But for the most part it was like 12 of us but no, what's the name of your group? We love y women. No One didn't grow white people okay But no, it was a tgp 301 What's a coach tgp 301 what does that stand for yeah? Well tgp is the name of my school, so we just stole the name of our school Thomas George pulling and then three oh one side aerial coat, okay, okay tgp 301. Well, I missed out. I never name these are crews

2:00:01Crews and names and names and crews, but I know that you have a crew now, and I know like I named that crew honestly That cruise That's Hey, man, take your thing capsule a bruh shout out To god sham god the sham god accession Inspired in 2009 shout out to in gino ryan brion tray Everybody in the play approved crew play approved mother fuckers shut out to daniel brooks And water's off From if I go will they miss me shout to jl fans love everything that you guys are doing love the whole Fucking movie love this podcast man shout out to everybody man take your thing caps off But do not stop learning I'm van lating. I'm Rachel in the shot the horn is