FBI Expert Reacts Live: Joseph Reads About Boundaries in His Prayer Closet

This is Hidden Tillers Live with Tony Bruski and Robin Dray.

This is the, the latter call and there are more calls beyond this and we'll bring them

to you here in time.

There's only so many douger phone calls a day we can get through.

This is a later call.

Kendra is lost custody of her children.

She's running an IV's, fragmented sleep.

Here's, here's what we're listening to and your thoughts in the comment section on

Substacking YouTube as we go through it.

Great comments by the way, folks.

Yeah.

Is calling you from Washington County detention press one for accepting the call, press two

four.

We call maybe monitored or recorded.

Hey.

Hey.

Hey, it's earlier today.

Hey.

Hello.

Is one thing.

Make a sound.

You were out.

I keep my phone off just in case it arms so that I can hear it.

I was in a good wake.

Are we in our room?

I've been away from care.

I haven't been away for at least an hour or more so to help me.

I don't have to.

I don't have to.

I don't have to.

So you.

So you are carrying the early schedule now, I guess?

Right, I don't have to be able to carry it all.

I don't sleep back.

I actually got more sleep to nothing.

I didn't get much last night and there was some chantantrums happening, so.

Oh, that way.

Yeah, it was funny because all the yesterday there was one guy having this whole chantrum thing.

And then he, I was kind of wait until he went to sleep. He got all processed through.

And then I went to sleep for just a little while. I mean, I don't know how long really,

but it was a little while but then the other guy was throwing a tape for two plus two.

Two or three hours throughout the night. He was just talking really loud.

And yeah, even though they were having to de-escalate them all the time.

And every other word was the effort, I think.

Wow.

Anyway.

Yeah.

Great.

Yeah, that's funny.

And it's funny.

Yeah, but she sent me money.

I guess she sent me some money.

And so, I think it cost $6 for a 20-minute phone call, so I didn't figure it out.

Okay.

I wanted to try to learn, but I don't know how to learn money and everything.

So, sometimes if you don't, but she sent both.

Like a video chat is the same cost as a phone class if we wanted to see each other.

Really?

Yeah.

So, I don't know if we need to see the call.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I don't know that wherever that, if it's that one camera, it's really awkward height for you to see my face.

Unless I can move to that camera.

But like it's like, it's like I can't quite be seen, but I can't be sitting in a chair.

But I mean, I'd love to see you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, it's fine.

Yeah.

I just wanted to let you know if you were texting me.

I didn't get back to her running.

Yeah.

Like I saw her walking.

Yeah.

She emailed me.

So, she could probably help you.

I don't know.

How did it email me, too?

I just didn't know.

I just didn't know where I'd go.

Sorry.

I'm sorry.

I was thinking that I got that movie.

So, when she came to the email, she was like, I said, can you send me a phone?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, I was texting the email.

She was like, I said, can you send me some?

She was like, well, to speak, you know, just know that none of this is confidential.

You know, only if we can do the people so.

Yeah.

So, as I guess, I think so, reminder.

Yeah.

I mean, I kind of keep it short when I'm texting because it's, I call it texting, but it's like a big tab with pretty much.

It's like the size of a, well, some like a computer monitor, like a laptop I have, the PC one, maybe a little bit taller, but about the same width.

It's like that size of the keyboard, if you're not like right in my way, that you think you're hitting the button, but you're hitting just above it or something.

So, I think I'm hitting the space bar and I'm hitting the letter.

Why did you think you were hitting when you put your hands on the nine-year-old, huh?

Was that a space bar or a letter?

And also, just think about the fact that he literally is in that cell for 23 out of 24 hours a day, yet he seems to have all the shit to talk about.

And she's the one going through everything, just the cheese.

Oh my God.

It's, no.

I'm focused on doing it.

Yeah, nothing.

Well, if I'm comfortable, if that's all I get.

Yeah.

I will.

Yeah, I don't know when Travis will.

I haven't talked to him a little bit, but I assume he would come down.

Yeah, I think he.

Yeah, so, yeah.

So, I've got a list of questions I was on in bed yesterday.

Okay.

And I got a whole list of questions for you, though.

Is it better for me?

Well, I haven't talked to Travis about it, but I thought.

Well, maybe it would look like he could print his out for questions, but he's like so many answers almost, you know?

But I don't know if you can bring a paper in or not.

Oh, I mean, I have some papers, yeah.

But he gave me his business card the last time we were together.

I would have to probably ask for like a pen or a pencil or whatever so I can fill in some stuff.

Yeah.

Why don't you know what he can bring in?

Like, I wonder if he can even bring a paper in.

Yeah, he can.

Yeah, he can.

Yeah, he can.

We can.

Okay.

His phone in there.

Why don't you give out a phone, but I don't know what his regulations are.

Yeah, because I often try to call him when we were sitting together the last time.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Yeah.

That's good.

Yeah.

I got more sleep than usual.

Um, um, but I've been, uh, it's like, yeah, it's gotten slowly a bit better.

And so I'm just trying to make sure I feel happy.

Yeah.

Sometimes it's really weak.

Um, um, because of everything, but I just, yeah, it's good.

I don't know.

I was looking around.

I was looking around.

I was looking around.

I was looking around.

I was looking around.

I was looking around.

I mean, there's, there's, it's, it's a lot of just nonsense.

It's the same.

I mean, it's like he thinks talking about the grass growing inside jails.

The most interesting thing in the world.

Meanwhile, yeah, she's trying to share what's going on with their lives falling apart or at least

her life falling apart.

And he's just keeps blowing by it.

Well, just pray more.

Just read Psalms.

I'm reading Psalms.

I want you to just be more like me.

If you just more like me, the world just get along great because look me.

I'm perfect.

No, just what the hell, man.

I just, it's, it's just, there's no way to reach the

people.

And the thing that, that, that he was talking about earlier of getting money as a count.

He was referring to the other cult member who I have no pity for.

She had her window to leave and she didn't talking about Josh Dugger's wife, the other

brother that's now.

Is that who went off with the money on the count?

Yeah.

Anna.

You know, she's, you know, fully vested in this.

She's got the kid.

She's raising them with the help of, you know, Jim Bob and Michelle.

And they're all, you know, love cult bombing her and so they're all in the mix.

But you know, she stands by her man still is.

So she's just as shitty as all of them in my opinion because she had, she had the window.

Here's the thing, Kendra.

You have a choice in life right now.

You can, because they're, I'm sure they're just kind of doing the playbook of what they

did with Anna.

Let's circle the wagon, get her in her, make her feel like she can't leave.

They wouldn't want to leave because it's a scary outside world.

We've already established that same sort of shit's going on here.

But Kendra, guess what?

There is an outside world and you can't get out and you have a whole family that would

probably support you who's already not a huge fan of these fuckers.

Maybe do that.

Maybe get the F out of there and, and get as far away from these people as possible.

Because guess what?

There ain't no court that's going to look at your, your husband and go, yeah, he should

be around the kids ever again.

And that's, and therein lies the trap of the doggers is they make it easy to be compliant

with them.

Yeah.

Because they're going to not have you face any consequences for your actions or your

husband's actions.

And meanwhile, healthy people say, hey, listen, some bad shit went down.

And I'll tell you what, you got to face the music.

We'll face it with you side by side, but we're not making it go away.

And you got to make some hard choices in life about how to move forward in a healthy

way, take care of your kids and actually move down a path of a healthy interaction with

our world and our society, not this nutter world they're in.

But that's hard.

And people, you know, when you're young and overwhelmed and you have, so here's your

choices.

I can face the music and I can take accountability for the choices I've made in life.

And as long as they were, or I can be surrounded by the love bombs, that's exactly what's

going on.

It's easy to fall into the cult.

They really do.

I mean, it really, I mean, it almost like it's Stockholm syndrome, it was certain extent.

It really is.

I mean, just the way that they're able to, because I don't believe Kendra is an inherently

evil human being, I don't think Anna is, but they have, they were susceptible, yeah,

I mean, really, it's a susceptible low IQ proctor to fall into the traps of these people.

And it's, I mean, I don't know if they're low IQ or that's just my opinion.

I mean, it takes a certain type of stupid, I think, to stick with these folks.

Or just, you know, a certain type of upbringing where you just have been so sheltered from

the outside world.

And it's so scary and so fearful that you'd rather hang out with a group now of predators,

of the two brothers.

That's where I'm referring to as predators, allegedly.

You'd rather have that be the place you go and hang your hat at the end of the night.

And the place you lie your head down, and the place you put your children to bed at.

But you really want to have that family, is that the family unit you really want to be

around because they had the TV show back in the 90s and Jim Bobhord, some money somewhere.

Is this really, is this where you want your children to be raised to repeat this cycle?

Because it's working out so well, isn't it?

I mean, this is great.

This is great.

But think about it.

So you are being celebrated as a hero, as an evangelist, as a missionary inside the

Dugger cult world by everyone.

That whole tribe of a lot of people is saying, you're doing great.

Meanwhile, your other side is saying, face music, man, you got to own up to it and we're

going to work through it together, but it's going to be a rough road.

So if you were given a choice between a world where you're celebrated and you're being

taken care of or actually doing the healthy thing and just moving forward in life in a healthy,

interactive way, it's a hard, it's a hard choice to make when you're in that situation.

And that's why she's fallen apart because her body and her mind are saying, this is

a healthy way.

But since I'm not choosing that way, I'm not eating, I'm not sleeping and I'm falling

apart yet.

It seems so easy, nice over here.

All you have to do is comply.

Oh.

All you got to do is comply.

So Kendra, it's your, it's choose your own adventure time and we're in and for your kids,

is this the environment that's best for your kids?

I think most people would venture to say not, just saying, just saying, but hey, the

choice is yours.

The choice is not Jim Bob and Michelle's.

The choice is not one of the 19 kids that they shit out.

The choice is yours and you better make a good one.

Because if you don't, then you get everything that's coming at you and the consequences

that go along with it, whether you realize you were being part of that shit show or not,

you become very much ingrained in part of it and also accountable legally.

So yeah, there's that.

Your thoughts in the comments section on sub-stack in YouTube, we'd love to hear them.

Obviously, Joseph is facing charges, you know, the allegation is that he admitted to

them and I don't know what he's going to be pleading yet, but in a sense, I'll prove

in guilty.

So there's that.

There's that.

So there's that.

Take the proof of guilty or the fact that he admitted it, but take that and do with it

what you will.

Give us your thoughts there in the comments and press subscribe.

That's going to wrap up today's episode of the program Robyn's book.

It's not all about me, something that would be fun for the Duggers to read it.

You know, maybe Josh, you know, Josh needs to read the material.

You should, we should send Josh some materials, send him some books.

All right, until next time for Robyn and Todd, I'm Tony, we'll talk again real soon.